Purple Insider - a Minnesota Vikings and NFL podcast - Vikings training camp storylines: Justin Jefferson's chemistry with JJ McCarthy (Hour 2)

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

Matthew Coller talks about Justin Jefferson's outlook for training camp and how we will be able to tell if he has chemistry with JJ McCarthy. Plus Vings fan questions and Maggie Robinson's Monday appearance.

Anyway, uh, all right, let's, uh, get to, uh, Maggie Robinson here Mondays with Maggie intern Maggie, who is, uh, there in Syracuse getting, uh, her another degree from Syracuse. And for those who have not watched any of the other Mondays with Maggie, a former NFL producer as well. So Maggie, uh, how are you this year? I'm good. I'm good. We're getting back into the swing of school. And today I actually had my first like assignment where we went out in the field,

got an interview, turned it around and produced a radio story. So that was really cool. If you follow my Twitter and you're seeing these rogue tweets about pediatric cannabis, gummy consumption, that's why I had to find a story in the community. That's what I chose. But no, I was sitting there and we were learning all these different editing softwares. And I was like, the fact that I get to go to school for this is awesome. Because I think my whole thing with working in nine to five was like, I don't like being chained to the desk. I want to be doing, I want to be interacting with people, you know? And so like getting to tell stories and interacting with people, I was like,

this is the right path for me. So it was really affirming today to work on this story and be like, okay, I'm a little stressed, but also this is so exciting. Like how cool. Well, that is, uh, my wife right now is calling Minnesota links basketball in Chicago against the sky. Someone give me the score. Uh, I have not been following it as I've been talking football with you guys, but uh, she's for several years did stuff exactly like that for WCCO radio where

she would go out and do stories and interview people. And sometimes that was a fire at four o'clock in the morning where she had to go interview, you know, firefighters and families and things like that. And other times it was doing something about dogs or whatever. So there's, there was a lot of stuff that she learned through doing that. So it's good experience, but, um, did you say pediatric gummy something? What is that? Can that be explained? Unrelated to football. And I'm going to take you on a slight tangent, but did you know, so we're in central New York.

Yeah. I'm learning so much about the region. Central New York had one of the highest ER related cannabis calls in the state of New York. They were just receiving so many cannabis related ER visits. And then I went to the New York State Poison Control who gets phone calls from people who are like, oh my goodness, I don't know what to do. Let me call this free hotline before I go to the ER to figure it out. And they've seen since 2021 an increase in kids under the age of five eating edibles because they look like candy and because unlicensed

dispensaries can actually package these foods or these candy products to look almost exactly like a warheads thing or like a gummy bear or like an Oreo. The packaging is like mimicked almost word for word. And so little kids have no idea and don't know the difference and then get super high and then have to go to the ER and call the poison control. So, yeah. Okay, that makes more sense than what went through my head at first. I was like, wait, is this like something that they are doing on purpose or? But I know. Okay, that that's how I took it at first.

I don't know if everybody else was thinking the same thing. I'm glad that we sorted that out. So if you are if you are into that sort of thing, which judging by some of the comments, I think people are, I would say that I'm just joking with you guys, but I would just say they're a little PSA for the show. From what you learned today is if you're gonna do that, then make sure you box those things up

along with any weapons that you own or any also alcohol. Make sure you got a cabinet that only you have the key. So there you go. Well, I'm glad you're learning on the job What have you been thinking about in the national football? The first thing I wanted to hit on is this Teddy Bridgewater talk It's timely because Syracuse actually just got its first five star recruit since 2000 from Miami Northwestern Calvin Russell was a wide receiver coach under Teddy Bridgewater currently currently still there as a senior, is coming here to play basketball and football. This is huge for the Syracuse program, not to make this about college sports, but obviously Teddy's doing

something right and raising good kids and making sure they feel supported if they're getting opportunities like this to play Syracuse basketball and football. Well, did you know that, uh, Teddy sent a criminal to Syracuse because he probably took an Uber that Teddy prayed paid for. I mean, how, what are we going to do if these kids get rides to practice and food? I just, I just, and, and look, the, the world I feel gets crazier every single day when it comes to amateur sports. Like when you think about how nuts things like AAU basketball are. And I remember I saw some people talking about Anthony Edwards and, uh, was it LaMelo ball?

They could have taken the wolves, could have taken number one overall. And or was it some other one? There's two of them, LaMelo and Lanz. Okay. It was LaMelo. Right. I'm very sharp on my Charlotte Bobcats basketball. So I know they're the Hornets, but the point just being that like, like LaMelo's knees are totally shot.

And I think some of the reason is because he just got run into the ground as a youth. Whereas Anthony Edwards played football and wasn't really that kind of high school athlete that was just being drilled into the ground by playing basketball all year round and stuff like that. And I think about that all the time with athletes of just how much we put on them and how much pressure you put on them as kids. And now when I see high school, AAU highlight reels and stuff getting tweeted by everybody and all this stuff. How about this? The other day there was a five star long snapper that got signed by Auburn. I was like, five star long snapper.

But that is very true because they have now all these camps and stuff where you could start when you're like 13 years old doing long snapping. Like we have professionalized all of this stuff and with professionalizing it becomes making it even crazier and then college football has the revenue sharing that's going to go on which it's all gonna go to football of course and the other sports are just gonna you know continue to exist the way that they have the NIL stuff. It's all crazy. So when I saw that story today with Teddy, my thought was, yeah, why not?

Sure. Why not? Let's let's penalize Teddy for helping his kids who will probably not be NFL players more likely than not. Maybe this kid will be, but more likely than not, they will just go on to live their lives and have it be a much better experience to have played football for Teddy Bridgewater because of the things that he did for them and again I outraged how dare you so what a what a weird story but cool for Sarah. Good for them for us. We are in a really weird era of college sports and commercialization.

This is a whole other podcast at this point, but I have so many thoughts on what we're doing. I feel like we're losing the intrinsic joy of playing a sport, to play a sport, not to get weird and hoity-toity about it. But the feeling of just going out there with your boys, to have a good time and do the sport you love, is getting lost in million-dollar I evaluations deals, advertisements, sponsorships. They're 15.

What are we doing committing them to a school when they're 21? We don't even know what they're they haven't hit puberty yet. This kid's voice hasn't dropped. Like what do you want him to do? I don't know. I don't know. Well, the whole yeah, I mean the whole thing too, with the way that social media impacts athletes. I remember there was a quote from Adam Silver that has stuck in

my brain for NFL players and pretty much anybody who plays college sports or is in any way in any shed, a shred of limelight is Adam Silver said, these guys are having all sorts of success. They're winning. They're making millions of dollars. They're getting shoe deals and a lot of them are miserable all the time because every second of their day is people on social media telling them that they're terrible and they're garbage.

And that's what I was saying earlier about like the JJ McCarthy and Caleb Williams, like guys, you just can't like this year with JJ McCarthy, if you want to maintain your sanity, you just can't with the social media stuff. Because you know, every time JJ McCarthy has a bad game, there's going to be a million bears and lions and Packers fans who are telling you, yeah, you should have stuck with Darnall. You loser dweeb purple weirdos. Like every single moment of every single day. You know how closely I follow the WNBA. I have muted every single WNBA word because the minute that a bunch of

sports fans decided that they wanted to pay attention to women's basketball for the first time, the level of idiocy just shot through the roof and I'm like, I don't want any part of this. And I think a lot of people exist online to get engagement through just bothering everyone else. And that includes athletes. Like I see Durant dunking on idiots on Twitter all the time. And you're like, Kevin, I get it.

That's fun to do. But like, what are you doing? Like, why are you doing this? You're like one of the greatest athletes of all time. You have nothing to say to these people. And so I think that it is hard for younger athletes because even, I mean, I guarantee if you ask this guy went Syracuse, just signed with them, like, Hey, do you got haters online? You're like, Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I'm sure.

Like everybody feels like they're being attacked all the time in pro sports. And if you have a bad game and now you have that gambling element to it. And I just feel like it's really, really hard. And are you going to be the one who tells athletes, like just get off social media? Okay. Have you been on a, but if you've been on a bus ride, like to, you know, to even just from, just in Chicago, cause I was there over the weekend and you know, the, the arena is 15 minutes away from the hotel, the team hotel with no traffic.

I walked three miles because there was no way I was getting caught in that traffic. What are those players doing? Oh yeah. Well, you know, in good enough shape to walk a couple miles. But I mean, like what else are you doing? Are you not, you're not going to look at your phone? You're not going to look at social media. So I feel for young athletes who come up having to deal with a totally different level of scrutiny.

And if you want to tie that to JJ McCarthy, look at quarterbacks and this can actually connect to our next conversation. It's just nonstop people ranking you, people going after you, people making it so as if the quarterback ranking they think is a ring. If you name somebody will hire quarterback than somebody else. It's really a universe that I think has gotten much more difficult to deal with for younger athletes than it ever was before. That noise is so loud and just overwhelmingly negative to be honest, or you have one good game. I think what would be hard for me in this would be maintaining a steady equilibrium

and not letting the highs get too high and the lows get too low because otherwise emotionally you are just jumping all over the place. But to bring this back in to bring us all together, NFL released its top 10 quarterbacks of 2024 looking ahead to the 2025 season. And again, we can both acknowledge here as adults that quarterback lists in the off season are incredibly meaningless. They don't stand for anything. They are a bunch of people's opinions formulated into a list via the help of maybe an Excel doc and some formulas. Cool. That being said, I'm going to go through them and we're going to chat starting with number one, Patrick Mahoney. Look guys, I am just about at the age, I'm gonna go through them and we're gonna chat starting with number one,

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but kind of a copycat of that. Nonetheless, these are the opinions of people in the national football league. And then he puts them together of where they would rank these guys. And that's how they get the list. Okay. No, that's a, that's a key detail. And I would just like to say, I don't, I don't know if that makes it more reputable or less reputable in my opinion, because it's almost just like increasing the list of people you get opinions from, you know, I don't know.

Well, and it also could be, I mean, there's definitely biases with that. I mean, there's maybe when you're reading somebody who's a journalist that's supposed to be putting it together with the data and the numbers and unbiased versus on this list, spoiler, somebody had Lamar Jackson is the sixth best quarterback of the NFL. I fricking promise you Lamar Jackson is not the sixth best quarterback of the NFL. He's either one, two, or three, and any other ranking would be absolutely insane. So, you know, there's, there's, sometimes we treat people in the NFL, like they

have some sort of magic power that you don't have that they see some other world of matrix that you don't see. In my experience, that's not really, of course, I can guarantee you that's not the case. Well, I'm thinking about even just from a front office perspective, like there are, there are dopes wherever you guys work and there's dopes who work in front offices. Certainly Kevin O'Connell knows more about football with X's and O's and

everything else than you, but it's all people who are just watching the same games that you are. And a lot of the opinions are the same as anybody else that you would sample from outside of football. Um, so with all, with all those caveats, uh, please the list, let's get into it. Number one, Patrick Mahomes. Here's the deal. I want to hate this guy. I'll come out and say it. I really do. He's I, you know, it pains me to say this, but I do think he fits somewhere into the top three of this list.

Do I agree with having him number into the top three of this list. Do I agree with having him number one? I don't think so. And the reason I don't think so is that last season wasn't, I don't know, maybe it's because it didn't end well, the Super Bowl, it totally fell apart on them. I understand that he's a generational talent. I am fully locked in on that. I think he's phenomenal and he makes these plays that are just unfathomable And like I was saying earlier, he is someone who still has that intrinsic like childlike joy when he plays I think he and Lamar Jackson are two guys who still have it where they're just slinging the rock like they're making throws that yeah They're so relaxed. They're playing out there in the back with their boys

So for that I agree having him top three. Do I agree with having him number one? That's where it gets a little sticky for me. Well, so the hard thing about Patrick Mahomes is that there's no doubt who the best quarterback of the last decade is. It is Patrick Mahomes. There's not even a discussion there to be had. And it is also kind of funny where you're like, we didn't play that well in the Superbowl is like the Superbowl. Like they still, even, even without his best statistical year, they still landed in the Superbowl. But I also think that we have measures to figure some of this stuff out. And when we look at the most valuable quarterbacks of last year, and you can make some of the excuses of, Hey, you know, his number one wide receiver got hurt pretty early in the season.

And he's dealing with like Xavier worthy as a young guy, as being his top wide receiver, that's pretty difficult. His offensive line fell apart to where they're playing a guard, a tackle. Like all that stuff matters that if you could still reach the Super Bowl with all that happening to you, you are the best. But Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen had better seasons last year. And I think that if we were doing an all team draft, we all still pick Patrick Mahomes because he gets teams to the Super Bowl year in and year out. But I

don't think you're doing it unanimously. If you had 100 people in a room making a vote for who the quarterback was going gonna be for the first overall pick in an all-player draft I think there's a lot of argument for Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen like I mean QB wins is a complicated thing but when Mahomes goes to the Super Bowl time and time and time again there's definitely something beyond just oh well he's a regular quarterback he's not he's an alien But I think that those three all have their case. And last year, Alan and Jackson were better. So I think it's a little bit more of a reputation and Hey, the bills tight end drop that one ball in the fourth quarter that if he catches it, Josh, I guarantee you,

if he catches it, the bills go to the super bowl. They get smashed by the Eagles that Josh Allen is the number one quarterback on this list, which is not really how it should be done. But there is something to be said for the way that these kind of are made. And I think public perception and the way the media talks about players feeds into this as well. Josh Allen was coincidentally number two on this list. And yeah, I think all things considered, this man should probably be number one. I think I have him one. I think I have Jackson two and then I have Mahomes three. That's my top three.

But I mean, what the guy won MVP at the NFL honors. He led the Bills to a 13th regular season wins despite, as you were saying, have having no top wide receiver. That was clear. Led the NFL and QBR ratings, did well under pressure. This guy's amassed everything except for the final game. He is knocking on the door and he is so close and as you're saying that's the one thing I think holding him back and making the public perceive him as less than he is when in reality it's just one game standing in between him and that title.

Kind of reminds me of, okay, this is going to throw it back. Let me see if I can come up with something more recent. Like LeBron James. Like when LeBron James was at the peak of his powers, it did not matter who else played in the Eastern Conference. And I know the conference, the LeBron haters will say the conference was down or whatever when he was there. Uh, one of the reasons it was down as he kept beating them all the time. And whoever the second best player in the Eastern conference was next to LeBron, who cares because he just won everything for a really long time. And I forget what his streak was of years in a row in the NBA finals. Of course, I was thinking a little more along the lines of Jordan and how many great players got left behind in that discussion and didn't get rings. Like

right now, that would be a Josh Allen with Patrick Mahomes. If Mahomes isn't in Kansas City, if Alex Smith had remained their quarterback through this run, Josh Allen has been to four Super Bowls by this time. I mean, he's really been that good. And I don't know the Bills have been as good of a team overall as Kansas city has been in a lot of those seasons. They probably were last year, but in a lot of those seasons, Alan, to me, the freakish thing about him that would make me pick him in a single game over everybody else, except for Mahomes is the fact that he never takes sacks. It's absolutely crazy. I think he lost like 60 yards to sacks last year and Sam Darnold lost 250 yards to sacks.

It's nuts. Lamar doesn't get sacked that much but can be a little prone to it. Those two, I mean, any of these three, every person would take a hundred times out of a hundred. However you order them is like between you and God. Like it just, there's no, to me, there's no being wrong about ordering those three

in the top three right now. I agree with you. But apparently the ESPN people and the NFL execs didn't because Joe Burrow took the third spot. Joe Burrow, listen, I'm going to say some things and you're allowed to have your thoughts. I think, okay, here, let's set the stage. Did he have a good season? Yes.

He won comeback player of the year. He's coming back from injury. He held this team together when they were really falling apart. He led the NFL with almost 5000 yards, 43 touchdowns, became the first player in NFL history with 250 passing yards in eight straight games. Like he's made a name for himself. I also think he's an aura pick and maybe this is the Gen Z and me coming out. This man is, you're going to have to explain what that means.

Not all of my audience. Yes. Okay. So for those unfamiliar aura vibe, two synonyms. Okay. So if someone is an aura pick or a vibe pick or like a vibes guy, he just gives off this exudes this swagger, this I'm so cool. I show up to Paris Fashion Week.

I'm a manly man, but like, hell yeah, I'm going to wear this. And you can't really touch me. I can get whatever girls I want. I do what I want attitude. You know what I'm saying? It's like, oh, I know all about it. Yeah, it's like it just. Oh, I've oh, I felt what I'm saying? It's like, Oh, I know all about it. Yeah, it's like it just. Oh, I've oh, I felt that I connected. Oh, for sure.

You bonded on a spiritual level with him. Yeah. OK, I get what you're saying. Also for him and like you're saying with the media and public perception, that bumps him up a notch and for some reason puts him above Lamar Jackson in this list. So what I think it is when it comes to the executives making these votes is some old-fashioned hate. I think that there are some executives in this

league who were made to look totally ridiculous, not once, but twice by Lamar Jackson. First in the draft where every dope general manager who didn't have a quarterback decided he was a wide receiver and now he's the best quarterback in the whole league. So you can guarantee some of those are like, no, he's not that great. Still. He's only the sixth best quarterback in the league.

It's the pocket quarterback. Like that's why they didn't draft him. If you don't think that stuff's still out there, it is. It didn't disappear just cause Lamar won. That stuff's still out there within front offices where they're like, well, he can't throw that good, even though he had 41 touchdowns or whatever. Uh, you know, so there's, there's some of that and Burrow is sort of the quarterback's quarterback, which is like, he is super cerebral, crazy smart, crazy accurate, technically proficient, and then a playmaker at the right time. And there's probably some of like considering his offensive line and the way he manages the pocket that he gets credit for it. To me, there's no universe where Joe burrow is better than Lamar Jackson. It's not even a discussion. I don't even have that conversation. And that's

as thinking that Burrow is the fourth best quarterback in the league. But I think with this particular sample size of voting, I'm not the one that passed on Lamar Jackson in the draft or did not offer him a contract when it was possible and maybe colluded against him or work for a team that colluded against him. I was just the guy saying the Vikings should draft him and develop him behind Kirk Cousins back in 2018. So anyway, I think that's what it what it really is when it comes down to it because it can't even be the winning part because Lamar Jackson was in the playoffs and won last year and was, you know, this close to beating the bills. Whereas the Bengals didn't make the playoffs. So yeah, I think that that's what it's really about is that

there's still a little bitterness of people not wanting to give him his full credit, which how's that working out for you? No, I, I mean, you just said everything that I was going to say as well because they have Jackson at four. I mean, again, I hate to keep harping on all these soft skills when obviously this is about football, but I do think it comes down to this personality and perception piece. Lamar Jackson is not a very vocal leader.

He's not super quotable. Let's be honest, he's not like the best, most well-spoken guy when it comes to press conferences. He's not giving you the great soundbites. He lays low in the media. We don't know that much about his personal life. We know that Joe Burroughs' house was robbed and that he's a really pretty girlfriend who was sports illustrated supermodel. You know? No, I totally agree. I think that Lamar, in fact, I had heard that after the draft because the OG of OG listeners that go back to the 1500 ESPN days will remember how I was very committed to the Vikings need to draft Lamar Jackson

thing. And I've had bad takes along the way, but that was a good one. And one of the things that I had heard was, yeah, well, you know, if you talk to him, you'll sort of see that he's not a very good leader or he's not very outspoken. He's sort of quiet. Also covering NFL players, there are different regions of the country that have different dialects. And I think that, and this is going way off the, you know, the conversation a little bit,

but some of the guys who come from like Mississippi, South Florida if you don't know Like you just said or and had to explain it like if you don't know kind of their their lingo and the way they talk To each other you could see some like 58 year old NFL executive being like what is this guy like an idiot? Because he's not understanding fully the way that he communicates because he's from a different part of the country and there are biases involved in that. And I suggested to somebody who works for a team, like you should really just take transcripts and read them. So your biases of talking to the player are not showing and you can reread what they said

to you as opposed to your feeling and perception. But that's like, that's getting too deep in the weeds. The point just being that I think a lot of people in the NFL made a judgment about Lamar Jackson, about like his been being more soft spoken and him, uh, you know, his athleticism and they decided that, you know, running quarterbacks, we're not going to work out and they all passed on on the draft and they're still unhappy about it. So anyway, um, who's number five?

This is a shocker to me. This one felt like it came out of left field. It's Jaden Daniels and Here's the deal. I'm not saying he had a bad season by any means He was rated PFF rookie of the year guy had a standout season led the commanders the first NFC East Conference Championship in God knows how many years But he's a rookie. He just had one season to put him on the top 10 quarterbacks for the next season after one standout year with nothing else to back it up other than a college career. That feels like we're pulling at straws here that don't technically exist in the same way

that I think we overhyped up Caleb Williams coming into the NFL. I fear that we're doing that with Jayden Daniels going into his sophomore season. Um, Dusty brings up the funniest person. He's the, he's talking about, like, he is so in the South woods that he's talking about like catching schools and roasting them or something on a campfire. That guy has a very funny personality. But when you're talking about Jayden Daniels in the one year sample size, it's hard to deny what our eyes witnessed when it

came to Daniels, which is exactly the best version of what he could have been coming out of college. The freakish rushing ability, the playmaking, the leadership. I mean, look at, there was no more telling thing than the Vikings go into Ford field in that environment. Sam Darnold kind of freaks out and panics in that game. Jane Daniels goes in there and is like, I don't care. And just leads them to a victory and plays incredibly well and even gave them a chance against Philadelphia until the Eagles just ran over that defense. But he played well in that football game and they fumbled it away and made mistakes.

He was so impressive that I get it. Like I, I think that what you're saying has a ton of validity of sample size matters. I mean, at one time we would have declared Carson Wentz as like the next great thing after 2017. We definitely would have. I'm sure that I said it like, yeah, oh yeah, he's their franchise quarterback. They're going to be back year after year with Carson Wentz. And then it didn't turn out to be consistently as good enough and as big of a sample size. So what you're saying I think has total validity. It's just hard to deny when you see all that stuff come together, but the league is good at figuring quarterbacks

out finding weaknesses and there's a sophomore slump for a reason. So I do agree with you that putting him all the way up to a top five quarterback after one season is, I would say aggressive no matter how impressive it was. Yeah. I, I stand in that. I want one of the comments. Some of the beavers said, real question is does Maggie have the Gen Z stare? And I think that's funny. Do you know what that is Matthew? I do not know what that is. Maybe I'm wrong. Some viewers, but I think the Gen Z stare is people of my generation have due to COVID lost the social skills and the ability to actually like hold a fully engaged eye contact when having a conversation

system as well just kind of stare through you and just give you like a blank look and like you're here I'm here but there's no one's home so I don't think I have that I like to think of myself as an engaged listener but maybe me in the classroom is different I don't know you have to ask my professors. Okay, I would have thought that that would have been something more like when you're talking to someone, you can't not look at your phone for like 30 seconds while having a conversation.

Because this definitely happens, I think, to probably all generations at this point. But I would imagine people younger than me, when you have so many different types of social media to keep you away from having an actual conversation with someone that maybe like that would be it. But okay, I get it. Anyway, that was like a funny tangent. Number six on this list, Matthew Stafford. This man in one word consistent. I don't know if he deserves to be number six on this list, but he's incredibly consistent, has had over 3000

career passing, excuse me, 3000 passing yards in 2024 alone, thrown over 350 career touchdowns. He's good. I think that's what it comes down to. He's really good. Is he in the elite tier one of quarterbacks in the NFL in 2025. I don't know. This also seems to me like I just saw him go to big game kind of thing. Right. Like he played, he played really well in the playoffs, but let me, let me call this up about where he was in PFF grade last year. And this is no disrespect to Matthew Stafford. I think I probably myself underrated him at times in his career, but, uh, let's see, Stafford was 19th by PFF grade last year in the regular season. Now that's probably not enough because I would have Matthew Stafford higher than that. He was missing Puka Nakua. And once Nakua came back against the Vikings,

he was a different quarterback when Puka Nakua was there along with Cooper Cup. At the same time, they were really dangerous. Any quarterback loses his number one wide receiver. It's going to be worse. But when you rank 19th in PFF last year, and even if you look at the traditional statistics, there's not a whole lot that really blows your mind. I mean, you know, 24 touchdowns, eight picks, it's pretty solid. Had a lot of turnover worthy plays last year. He was second in the NFL and turnover worthy plays per PFF last year. To me, that is not necessarily like top six in the NFL. I just think when you win a Superbowl and you get a team back to a big game within one drive of winning that you're going to get more benefit of the doubt, more legacy points. I don't think he's ever been thought of as highly as he is now. And that's again

to say that he's played really, really well. And Aaron points out, you know, he's going to have Devante Adams. I think you'll have a great season. This just feels like a shade too high for Matthew Stafford. No, I agree with you. It just feels a little overblown in a way that can't fully be backed up. But enough people. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, consistent guy. Happy for him. Seems like he's crushing it. But is he crushing it to the level of a Patrick Mahomes top 10?

No. Yeah, I think he's always been a little too reckless. I mean, even when he won the Super Bowl, I think he led the league in interceptions. So a little too reckless for me where he's gotten a lot better is not taking sacks. Like in his old age, he's just getting rid of the football a lot more. And I mean, this is again, like not disrespect because he was great against the Vikings multiple times last year. He has really leaned into the IQ part of the game. He's sort of gone a little away from, I'm just going to scramble around and try to make plays in his older age.

He's tough. He's a great leader. I think he's a great quarterback. If I always think of this for a way, do you love your quarterback or not is if JJ McCarthy turns out to be this quarterback, would you love it? Like, would you be over the moon? If he turns out to be Matthew Stafford, then you're going to be over the moon. He's going to frustrate you at times. I'm sure, but you are going to be completely thrilled. You can win a super bowl with this level quarterback. I just, at his age, I'm not sure you can really

put them up in his recent production up quite this. I like that comparison though. That's a good game to play in your head mentally of just thinking like if this shakes out because it allows you to put it into a different mindset of like, okay, let me look at this more objectively, back it up a little bit. I like that. I'm gonna use that. Okay. So I started, I started doing this with Eli Manning haters, like people who like look at his stat page, don't realize that it was a different era when he played and are like, well, his quarterback rating was 84. It must suck. Uh, so with

the, with Eli Manning, if you drafted JJ McCarthy and he had the exact same careers, Eli Manning, you are putting a statue. You might rebuild US Bank Stadium in the shape of JJ McCarthy if he has Eli Manning's career. So that doesn't have to mean he's a first ballot hall of famer, but I don't want to hear anybody being down on Eli Manning because if he did that for your team, you'd never stop talking about him for the rest of your life either, just like New York Giants fans. So anyway, so who's number seven? Justin Herbert with the LA chargers. I mean, again, here's the deal. I kind of he and Stafford, I think kind of get lumped together in my brain, maybe it's cause it's the LA

teams, but they're both, they're both good. Again, following the same argument he had overall 91.7 PFF grade, 90% passing grade, slightly lower rushing grade. That's not his big thing. He's ranked number three, though, in big time throws with 33 and only three turnovers the entire season. The guy did well. I just, again, I hate to be reusing this argument, but I don't see him up here.

Let's think of a name we haven't said yet. The Superbowl winning quarterback, Jalen Hurts has yet to make a debut on this list. What is wrong with that? Why are we having Justin Herbert and Matthew Stafford higher than the guy who led a team to the Superbowl? I'm just saying. The Jalen Hurts discussion is sort of similar to the year before with Brock Purdy, where the team around him was so good that I think the actual quarterback gets degraded a little bit. And because Jalen hurts, isn't the type of pure passer who ends up with how, I mean, he didn't end up with a lot of yards last year. He only had three yards. What was, uh, how many passes He had 36, 3,600 yards.

Oh, that was including play. I was in about 3000. No, yeah. So he only, right. He only had 2,900 passing yards, which I think is naturally going to knock him down in similar ways from what we were talking about with Lamar Jackson. There's also, I believe a lot of people who did not draft Jalen Hertz, who still don't want to admit that Jalen Hertz is a great

quarterback. And if we're ranking all of them, one thing that I would have to toss in that would be a really silly thing to leave out is that this guy has gone into two Super Bowls on the biggest stage in all of sports and been awesome just Absolutely freaking awesome in both Super Bowls Probably should have won the first one if his defense hangs on a little bit was

Really the reason on offense for them because Kansas City could have stayed in that game if Jaylen hurts Was not slinging it all over the field and there there's still feels like a little bit of this. If you can run that you get knocked down as in, well, you know, he's not the true pure quarterback. Well, for my whole life, because Randall Cunningham never won a Superbowl or Michael Vick, I had always heard, or even Steve McNair, who came really close. You always heard, well, you can't really win a Superbowl with these running quarterbacks. So then Jalen Hurts does it. And like now what guys, I mean, the whole league is playing this way.

And it's also not his fault that his team is so good at running, including with him, running it matters. Like that does matter. Now, I think if you were talking about in a world where this is my issue with quarterback rankings, because they're all sort of done in a vacuum of like, who would you draft if you could draft them all today? I think that's how everyone takes the thing, but that's not how any of this actually works. Jalen hurts place for a real football team that is trying to win real football games and there ain't anybody better than him at running what they run to win football games,

which does include a tush push, but how didn't work for Josh Allen in the biggest moment. And how many quarterbacks have put on a performance like that in a Superbowl that threw the ball over the field and put it up for their guys. It could throw down field and can scramble and can be a part of a running game. Like not that many. Right. And the same sort of thing goes for if JJ McCarthy turned into Jalen hurts and went to two super bowls and won one of them. And if you're a Philadelphia Eagles fan and people like this on these lists are like, Oh, you only got the ninth best quarterback. You're like, I only got one more ring than you do loser. Like I would say this is going to be a thing we go through next

year when all these people rank JJ McCarthy And it's like well the Vikings go to the Super Bowl who gives a crap who ranked who where we don't you don't you don't? Play games in a vacuum. You don't play games for quarterback rankings. It matters I wrote this a couple years ago where I got frustrated in July and wrote this rant about how like You should rank Jalen Hurts as an elite quarterback because he's going to play elite football and have an elite offensive line and offense. And they're going to rank in the top five and offense. I've gone through the same thing with Jared Goff. It's like, well, yeah, but he's not as this or that as somebody else. That's not the game we

play. The game we play is in context with a team. Oh, well, you know, McCarthy's not that great. He just throws to Jefferson all the time. Oh no. Put them in jail. What's so wrong with that? Every quarterback who's ever been great is like this. Kurt Warner's in the hall of fame. You think he gets there without Isaac Bruce and a Tory Holt. I mean, how about Joe Montana? Largely considered the best quarterback of all time. I don't know that Jerry Rice guy may have helped I don't know like why are do we penalize guys in these rankings for that? and I'm not sure that I'd put him like Herbert's a hard discussion because they're so different and Herbert's so physically gifted throwing the ball, but doesn't use his athleticism enough

So that's like an interesting comparison, but I just can't I've always said on the show enough. So that's like an interesting comparison, but I just can't. I've always said on the show, like hope that the outside world is complaining that your quarterback gets too much help. Cause that means you've built an amazing line and an amazing group of weapons and an amazing coach and let them rank their quarterbacks and waste their life doing that while you watch your team win. That's kind of how I think of Jalen hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles.

Yeah. And here's the thing. I have some beef with this whole old guard mentality around quarterbacks. Why do we value someone who is a straight passer over someone who can be more versatile like a Jalen Hurts, like a Lamar Jackson? I truly do not understand and can't grasp why we knock players down who actually are more talented in more ways and are more of a jack of all trades at the highest level than one guy who can do one thing really well. What is that? Right. I mean, that's degraded in people's minds.

Well, and the other thing is too, and this is a discussion about McCarthy and my thought that McCarthy is going to have to use his wheels because the way that the NFL plays defense right now, having that running quarterback, look at this list, even this list that's not even a great list, but like, it's not a perfect list, but look at it. Look who's here. The homes, Alan, you know, even burrow is a playmaker for sure. Not as much of a runner, but Jackson and Hertz is here and Daniels is here. I mean, having that edge when opposing teams

are so good at creating pressure and confusion is probably the most frustrating thing for a defense. And if you can line up your quarterback in the shotgun and just run him over the left side for 10, 12, 15 yards, who wants to play against that? That sounds like a nightmare, especially when they have that old line. Now, yes, if you stripped away all of that stuff, is he, and you gave him B minus

across the board, offensive lineman weapons running back, is he as good as Justin Herbert in a seven on seven or something like probably not at just purely throwing the ball. But again, that's not the game that you play to win the game, which sometimes means running the football for a first down, which Justin Herbert kind of doesn't ever want to do. And I think that costs them games at the end of the day. So I don't know. But look, I think I think Herbert's great. I think he's I think he's really great. It just

sort of frustrates me when we take away from really successful players and guys who put up big numbers because like how dare you have a good offensive line? I don't know man what's he supposed to do? All right everybody get out I'm gonna play the next four weeks with an average offensive line just to prove that I'm really that good. And then article writers can come back to me and then we'll have a chat and then I can exist in this bubble of quarterback, whatever. Right. Well, you know, he should have done something better and won more than the Super Bowl, I guess, according to the... Apparently. He still gets a top 10. He still gets a top 10. So, you know. In between though, shockingly enough, just one more knock on Jared Goff.

In between Justin Herbert and Jalen Hurts, Jared Goff. Okay. I think this is a solid spot for Jared Goff. Do I think Hertz needs to be below him? No, but that's not the argument I'm trying to make. I think eighth on this list, eight out of 10, is a great place for Jared Goff coming out of last season. Again, his team was phenomenal. They played so well. PFF ranked him 16th out of all quarterbacks of last season.

He had an 81.8 grade. You know, like he ranked fourth in the NFL for passing touchdowns through 12 interceptions. That's not awesome. But I think this feels like maybe the most accurate grading on this whole list is Jared Goff at number eight. Yeah. One of the things that's really hard for PFF grade, uh, with Jared Goff and always kind of has been is that his number one talent, in my opinion, is picking apart where the football is supposed to go. And he often will throw to wide open receivers. He'll throw to his running back, Jameer Gibbs out of the backfield.

He'll throw to St. Brown underneath. He'll throw to, Oh look, nobody covered Jamison Williams on this play. And he finds him 20 yards, 30 yards, 40 yards down the field, because he's really, really good at identifying where the football is supposed to go executing the offense, throwing on time. And PFF grades are pushed up by big time throws, which often means throws into tight coverage,

deep bombs down the field that just go over somebody's fingertips. I don't think that that's really golf's strong point is making these like Stafford. Wow, that's an unbelievable throw into traffic. But that consistency in that banging drum, that's just not exciting or interesting. And you're not watching it on TV, just wowed.

He's never part of the, if my homes did it meme, you know, kind of thing. Like that's never Jared Goff, but I've always respected the heck out of Jared Goff's ability to execute an offense. And we talked about Joe Montana, but it's the same kind of thing. I'm not saying he's Joe Montana,

but it's the same kind of idea where like, it saying he's Joe Montana, but it's the same kind of idea where like, it's not always the wow stuff that gets so much done. I mean, look at the way he played against the Vikings last year in their first matchup. The biggest play of the game is a swing pass, but the swing pass won him the game because he correctly identified that the Vikings hadn't covered it correctly.

And he just like, okay, that's where the ball is supposed to go. So I'm sort of glad that golf is getting the attention here. He has weaknesses. And I think that the same goes for Hertz where he clearly has some weaknesses as well. Hertz didn't play the same when he got banged up and couldn't run as much.

Naturally he wouldn't. And Jared Goff, I mean, we could pull it up here over Jared Goff's career under pressure. I brought this up on someone else's podcast the other day and they, uh, their fans got mad. But, uh, so let me look at the, the actual numbers from last year or for his career with Jared Goff, like when he gets pressured, he's not escaping it. He's not running away from it. And he was only, he was 13th among starters and PFF grade under pressure last

year, which I think was one of his better years and that's not even that's just mediocre. So he has historically been a pretty average or below average pressured quarterback. I was trying to go back a few years, but PFF is not loading. So the point is that like these guys, Stafford, Herbert, uh, golf hurts, like they all are not perfect. And a lot of them like golf and hurts, they need the, a great supporting cast. It's not going to be Josh Allen who you could probably put a UFL team up with him and he would still win like nine games.

So there's a clear like line of demarcation. So give me who is 10th. And then I have a question. That is Baker Mayfield. And I have a funny story really quickly. I guess all the NFL execs were on the Baker train because our scheduling team, we would always laugh about it. Wouldn't be like, why are the bucks in another prime time game? Like what are we doing? And the team would be like, Oh, we're on the Baker train, like full faith in Baker. So I mean, yes,

he had a great season last year and he's had his adversity with changing coaches around him and things shifting. He was what third over in all quarterbacks with passing yards, second in passing touchdowns, led him to an NFC South title. It's the NFC South. So like, but still, you know, a wins a win, give the guys flowers. This one I also can understand, you know, on this list, I think golf and Mayfield. Wow. Why did that just zoom in so much? If you're watching this, I'm so sorry. Oh, my goodness. Looking straight at my face.

I don't know how to fix this. I was. I was looking at the PFF website and I flipped back and I was like, um, very, very afraid. I don't know how to fix this. So it's, it's got, I think that the camera that you have has this thing where if you move your hand in certain ways, it like zooms in. So I don't know the hand thing to show it to not move in. So, okay, well, this is fine.

Um, Baker is fine. Baker is fine. Baker's a fine selection based on last year. And that's kind of where the are we going like the Stafford? Are we going on last year? Are we going on next year? Or what are we doing here exactly? Because Mayfield was phenomenal last year. 41 touchdowns, 16 picks is kind of a lot, but they leaned on him heavily. He ran the football. He played really, really well. So I think it's deserved for him.

And what a comeback from being the backup for the Carolina Panthers or the Los Angeles Rams to being a 41 touchdown quarterback. I don't know if he's going to be able to do it again, because the Carolina Panthers had a historically bad defense that he tore up a couple of times. I mean, I think that it might get a little bit tougher with the NFC South. Atlanta was a horrible defensive team, so I'm not so sure he'll do it again. The real question here is kind of who would you have put in there instead? CJ Stroud getting dropped out of the top 10 might be a little

unfair for just one season. Jordan Love is very fringe when it comes to this. I think Brock Purdy getting dropped out of it, even though he played really well and their team fell off a lot, but still, I get it. Yeah, I get it though. Like he didn't play as well as he did when they went to the super bowl and Baker had a great season. So you're kind of like splitting hairs when you're talking about that. The question is, when they do this next year, when Jeremy Fowler goes through his top 10 and he asks a bunch of executives in the off season at the owners meetings and so forth, is he going to include JJ McCarthy in next year's top 10? Do we think that that what do you think the odds of that

happening? Here's the deal. If we're thinking about us just? Do we think that that, what do you think the odds of that happening will be? Here's the deal. If we're thinking about us just projecting what we think JJ McCarthy can do, I think if he makes the top 10 list, and this is like, if he's included in this, I see him being somewhere in the seven to 10 range. Because I think a lot of people, execs, writers, media, are going to discount him

for this being his first year unless he has an insane Jaden Daniels esque here. I don't see a repeat of a rookie quote-unquote Coming into this list. I just don't I just don't think that's how it's gonna be So I think if he's in he's a low pick, but that means he's leading them to a conference championship He's taking this team far. He's staying healthy. That's my thought. I guess I'm trying to think about what type of stat line he would have to have in order to make the top 10 on this list. Um, because he definitely will get penalized for having a really great supporting

cast and similar to the Teddy Bridgewater discussion, like how dare you? How dare you have a good line and coach and receivers? But what would he have to do? Because Bo Nix doesn't make this list after having his first season with a pretty darn good stat line, 29 touchdowns, 12 picks, got his team to the playoffs. He was 17th by PFF and that wasn't quite enough. Nick's did have some ups and downs, had a really strong finish to the season. So if that guy doesn't get the nod, if Stroud falls off a little bit, doesn't get the nod. I think that the bar is probably very high for JJ McCarthy to make it like, would he have to throw 28 touchdowns, like seven interceptions and win two playoff games in order to get into the conversation? I do wonder if Jordan

Love was discussed in the 2023 to 2024 version of this because love had such a great second half of the season. Like if he had Jordan loves 2023 season, would he end up in the top 10 conversation? And I also think that the wow factor seems to matter with this. I don't know that McCarthy's going to have crazy wow factor. I don't know that he's going to be a human highlight reel. I think that he's going to be a really sound solid quarterback who puts the ball where it's supposed to be and scrambles when he's supposed to scramble and he's not throwing the ball

behind his back or whatever, like Patrick Mahomes, which could also keep him down in the ranking. So I think it would have to be a season where he wins in the playoffs and he has pretty huge numbers in order to get in the top 10 discussion for next year. I agree with that, but I guess time will tell. We shall see. Fingers crossed. We shall see.

I have to remind you, Matthew, you told me to write this down. So I did. If you can't read it backwards, it says stories. Kevin McDermott Tanki. OK. Yeah. Thank you for reminding me of that. So in, uh, did I, I did tell you how a long snapper caused the Minneapolis miracle, right? Okay. Okay. So this was the

same long snapper that got hurt, not the long snapper that filled in Jeff overball and screwed up. Uh, this was the long snapper who had been with them for several years and was a very solid long snapper, very, uh, very likable, you know, guy in the locker room and all that. So in 2018, they went out to Los Angeles to play the Rams. Now, if you're squeamish, I may have to stop this story because it gets pretty gnarly. So they go out to play the Rams

in a pretty big game for them. They had had a loss to Buffalo when Buffalo was just starting with Josh Allen. They were really terrible. So they kind of needed this big win going out Thursday night football against the Rams. And the game is crazy. It's golf versus golf ends up with a perfect quarterback rating against the defense that finished I think in the top five. I mean, that's how that's it was this shootout back and forth. And early in the game, uh, Kevin McDermott got his pinky caught in someone's face mask

and ripped off. Like the end of it was ripped off. And so the, the other part of this story is that, uh, Kirk cousins didn't know this happened and their backup was Trevor Simeon was their backup, kind of a bounce around guy who's been on a bunch of different teams. And Kirk was telling us this story about how Trevor Simeon came up to him and was like, man, what a football game we're going back and forth. We got our long snappers finger getting ripped off.

And Kirk was like, what's that last part? Like, we got a what now? Like, he didn't know what happened. So that I don't even remember who the who came in to be the snapper for the rest of the game. But it was one of the most grotesque injuries that I have ever heard of in my entire life. So the pinky gets caught. Okay. I'm trying to envision this, even though I don't want to. Is it, is it sitting in the face mask or is it on the ground? Did we pick it up off the field? I actually have no idea. Uh, it didn't rip off his whole pinky.

It was just kind of like the tip, but still, I mean, it's pretty gnarly. I don't actually know what came of it. If it got stuck in the mask or if it ended up on the ground, either way, that is disgusting. But there is, there is another part of the story that leads somewhere funny, which is that so McDermott, I mean, his career was pretty much over. Like you're a long snapper. You can't lose part of your pinky. Um, the guitar player for a black Sabbath had his fingertips cut off in a construction accident and welded pieces of bottle caps to his fingers and continued to play guitar for Black Sabbath.

Tony Iommi, I don't know if you know that. That is insane and he's awesome. But I don't think you could do that for long snapping. So his career ended and they drafted a long snapper and the long snapper came from one of the service academies. I Want to say was Air Force, but I'm not a hundred percent sure it was either Air Force or I don't think it was army One of them might have been Air Force. I think it was Air Force must have been so anyway, we were talking to Mike Zimmer about this long snapper from air force. And somebody asked him something to the extent of like, Hey, do you think like he's got some

calmness in his nerves? You know, cause he's like a military guy or whatever. And Zimmer says the exact quote was something in the realm of, well, I'm sure he's trained for war. So like, I'm sure he's got, you know, nerves of steel as a long snapper, cause it's a real anxiety position. Not everybody who goes to air force is out there with assault rifles. It's the air force. It's well, not only that, but like there are other things that people do at air force. And so we had asked him like what he did and he was in like shipping and receiving. He wasn't, he wasn't fighting

anybody. Like this guy, he was on the football team guy. Like you can go to Air Force and not be like going over to NOM. Okay. Like what are we talking about here? So yes, it was Austin cutting and he was from Air Force and Mike Zimmer thought that he was trained for war. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not. He was not.

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from a previous episode. I've been watching the NFL since I was little but I'm from Tennessee so I was just a Titans fan. I had my blinders on. I was also super busy. I was playing soccer my whole life. I feel the need to defend myself for some reason right now. And then I was playing soccer my whole life. I feel the need to defend myself for some reason right now Um, and then I was playing soccer in college and then I got a job in the NFL So I hadn't really been like full NFL aware on the realm of like all 32 Until I was like 20. There we go. What is happening to my camera right now? I'm so sorry. You're watching the hand signal You know like this, okay, and then it was at wide shot. So I imagine you must've gone like this. Yeah. Okay. Uh, you don't, you don't need to defend yourself. Uh,

as I mentioned, I mean the, you know, the comment section, sometimes it's good. Sometimes it's high on gummies. Like it's just, uh, that's not a big deal, but, uh, it's, uh, here's the thing with me and NFL history is that there's so much of it. It is taken a very long time to learn. And I still learn something new every single day. So, uh, that's what you're here to do. Uh, David Morgan was the emergency snapper in 17.

I cannot remember who emergency snap. Does anybody know in 18 when McDermott got hurt or did they just, I'm gonna have to look this up before we go. I'm gonna have to look this up because I feel like it's possible that McDermott just like taped it up and snapped, but he couldn't have because he never played again. I don't think so. I got it. How do we even figure out who had the long snap on?

Like is that in a box score somewhere? Who would have had the long snap? I don't even know um how will I even figure this out I guess I would need typing up due to pinky coming off xyz snap actually I might need now I'm determined to find this I might need pff because they would have the snap. Oh, so let me find. I'm going to find this. It was week six. Twenty three.

That's crazy that you retain that level of four. Understanding. Yeah, it was weak. OK, week four, 2018. And I mentioned they had lost to Buffalo the previous week. So let's see special teams. Um, this is building anticipation. Doesn't who is who would have snapped? I'm not, I'm not sure that they even have the staff or who actually snapped it.

Uh, who would it have been? Eric Wilson? I actually do not know. If anybody knows the answer to this question, if you're listening, go to work. This is your homework for the week. Oh no, it was David Morgan. It was David Morgan. He was still on the team in 18. Okay. David Morgan was like a blocking tight end.

So he would have snapped it. Yeah. So I've got it right here. He had one snap on a punt and one snap on a field goal. So those must have been the situation. So. Wow. There you go.

I know. The long, yeah. Dusty, yes, last week I did tell the story about the protestor hanging from the roof. It was 2016. Yeah, that did happen. Anyway, well, this has gone plenty off the rails as it usually does by the end of the show.

Mondays with Maggie, we do it every single Monday around eight central. And then Maggie has to go back to her homework at Syracuse, which is still weird for like almost a grownup. So anyway, well I hope things are continuing to go well there and that you're learning something new every day. And we are only probably two shows away from you going through training camp headlines and being able to gather a lot because your job has mostly been ranking stuff

and then we yell about it, but that will change very soon. So thank you so much for your time. Of course, thank you guys. This was fun. I'll see you later. And as always football, baby, football. All right. Well, you heard her football. We're closing in on the beginning of training camp and I'm

excited. So we'll continue to do a training camp storylines. I'm going to be in and out over the next few days. There's only a, a couple of days left for me until we get to actually training camp practices. So I'm trying to take as much advantage of that as I can, but a couple more great guests to come. Ted Winn from the Athletic, um, talked with Brandon Thorne about the offensive line, hoping to set something up with Marcus Whitman as well, that franchise guy on YouTube. So keeping the content rolling, keeping the discussion rolling as well. And feel free, sign up for that newsletter, purpleinsider.football. Hit me up with fans only questions. If you couldn't make the live show, make sure you do that as well. Matthew Coller at Gmail, a good place for that. So thank you,

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