Pursuit of Wellness - Dr. Daniel Amen On How To Fix Your Brain & Reverse The Effects Of Caffeine, Sugar, Alcohol and Fame

Episode Date: June 12, 2023

Ep. #24 Today on the show I’m honored to be joined by Dr. Daniel Amen. He is on a mission to end mental illness by creating a revolution in brain health. He’s a physical, adult and child psychiatr...ist, and founder of Amen Clinics, which has the world’s largest database of brain scans for psychiatry totaling more than 200,000 scans on patients from 155 countries. He’s the brain doctor to the world’s most well known celebrities, such as Bella Hadid, Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus and more. PLUS Dr. Amen is a 12-time NYT bestselling author. I think we have a lot to learn about our brains today….Dr. Amen welcome to the show!   For Mari’s Instagram click here!   For Dr. Daniel Amen’s Instagram click here!   For order Dr. Daniel Amen’s Book : Change Your Brain Every Day click here!   To shop Bloom Nutrition Greens click here!  To download Mari’s workout plan & recipes click here!   Go to www.Clearstem.com and use code POW for 15% off your order   Go to www.butcherbox.com/pursuit to get 2 pounds of Ground Beef for a year and 20 dollars off your first order   Go to www.betterhelp.com/POW to get 10% off your first month   Go to www.nike.com to discover all the ways Nike helps you feel   Go to www.LumeDeodorant.com to get $5 of a Lume Starter Pack   Produced By Dear Media  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:58 The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Mari has grown her two fitness and nutrition brand. Co-founder of Bloom Nutrition. Forbes 30 under 30 list. A successful entrepreneur. Someone who has lost 90 pounds. Today's guest is Mari Llewellyn. Mari Llewellyn. My friend Mari. Welcome to the pursuit of wellness. Today on the show, I am honored to be joined by Dr. Daniel Amen. He is on a mission to end mental illness by creating a revolution in brain health. He's an adult and child psychiatrist, founder of Amen Clinics,
Starting point is 00:01:31 which has the world's largest database of brain scans for psychiatry, totaling more than 200,000 scans on patients from 155 countries. He's the brain doctor to the world's most well-known celebrities such as Bella Hadid, Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus, and more. Plus, Dr. Amen is a 12-time New York Times bestselling author. I think we have a lot to learn about our brains today. Dr. Amen, welcome to the show. Thanks so much for helping me spread the message. It's not mental health, it's brain health. Brain health. I can't wait to hear more about it. Let's start from the message. It's not mental health. It's brain health. Brain health. I can't wait to hear more about it. Let's start from the beginning. Where did your interest in brains begin? So it's a funny story. I'm one of seven children. I was irrelevant growing up. I'm a middle child.
Starting point is 00:02:18 And in 1972, here in the United States, when I turned 18, we still had a draft and I became an infantry medic where my love of medicine was born. But about a year into it, I realized I didn't like being shot at. It just, it's not my thing. Some people like it, not now. So I got retrained as an x-ray technician and developed a passion for medical imaging. As our professors used to say, how do you know unless you look? And then I got out of the army in 1979. I'm a second year medical student. Someone I love tries to kill herself. I took her to see a wonderful psychiatrist and came to realize if he helped her, it wouldn't just help her. It would help her children and her grandchildren. So I fell in love with psychiatry because I realized it could help generations of people.
Starting point is 00:03:12 But I fell in love with the only medical specialty that never looks at the organ it treats. Think about that. If your heart has problems, they look at it. If your liver has problems, they look at it. If your bones have problems, they look at it. Psych your liver has problems, they look at it. If your bones have problems, they look at it. Psychiatrists guess. And I knew it was wrong and I knew it would change. I just had no idea I'd be part of the change.
Starting point is 00:03:34 Then in 1991, I ordered my first brain imaging study called SPACT and literally changed everything I do. And in 1991, I'm 37, as a top neuroscience student in medical school, as a double board certified psychiatrist, and I didn't care about my own brain. And that's sort of insane. And then I looked at it with respect.
Starting point is 00:04:01 And the month before I looked at my mother's brain and it was beautiful. And I looked at my brain, it wasn't beautiful because I played football in high school and I had bad habits and I had meningitis when I was a young soldier. And it was at that moment, I developed this term I call brain envy. Freud was wrong. Penis envy is not the cause of anybody's problem. He was like two and a half feet too low in the body. It's your brain. And I've spent the last 32 years working on getting my brain healthy and the brains of my patients and family and the people that followed me. I'm curious, did any PTSD show up in your brain from being in the war, being shot at? Could you see anything from that?
Starting point is 00:04:55 So I have a very busy brain. I believe it. I have a very busy brain and I was actually blessed in the sense that I didn't go to Vietnam I went to Europe and I was involved in protecting West Germany against the Soviet Union and we have studied actually published some big studies on trauma and it's your emotional brain is lit up yeah and clearly mine was that way yeah i can't wait to talk more about that because i personally have had a lot of issues with mental health and i would love to hear your feedback on that why do you think you have such a personal deep-rooted why why are you so personally deep-rooted in this mission oh it's clearly it's personal to me you know from someone i loved who tried to kill herself that got me into the field when i started
Starting point is 00:05:54 imaging in 1991 i was so excited i was just like a little kid but whenever you do something that's different than your colleagues your colleagues colleagues hate you for it. They belittle you. They demonize you. They try to marginalize you. And I wasn't ready for that. And then in 1995, I'd been pretty much brutalized by a lot of my colleagues. And I was struggling with it emotionally. And then Andrew came into my clinic. So I got a call one night from my sister-in-law, Sherry, who told me my nine-year-old nephew, Andrew, who was also my godson, attacked a little girl on the baseball field for no reason. And 999 child psychiatrists out of a thousand would have put them on medicine and put them in therapy. Well, I'd already been scanning the brain for four years. And I'm like, I want to see Andrew tomorrow in the clinic. And they drove eight hours to my clinic and I held his hand while he got scanned
Starting point is 00:07:08 and he was missing his left temporal lobe. He was missing the function of a very important part of his brain. And it turned out he had a cyst the size of a golf ball occupying the space of his temporal lobe. And when I got a neurosurgeon to drain it, his behavior completely went back to normal. And it was at that moment, I didn't care if you criticized me. I mean, I really see that's when I became a warrior to change this whole concept of mental illness. I hate that term because it shames people. It's stigmatizing and it's wrong. These are brain health issues. So, you know, not just the person I love to try to kill herself. This is my nephew, my Godson, who I love so much. And he was drawing pictures of himself shooting other children of hanging from a tree and he's homicidal suicidal. So in retrospect, you think of Columbine
Starting point is 00:08:12 or you think of Sandy hook, or you think of Parkland, Florida waiting to happen. And it's easy to call people bad. It's easy to call them weak. It's much harder to go, why? And if you don't understand why, how do you appropriately intervene? I mean, what we're doing in this country now is just freaking disaster. There are 337 million prescriptions last year for antidepressants without anybody ever looking at the brains of these people. That's insane. And that's the easier option as well to have, to give someone medication and get them in the system rather than doing the extra work.
Starting point is 00:08:56 So easy in the short term, a disaster in the long term. I can speak to that personally. When I was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder in college and I was self-harming, I was having suicidal thoughts. And the first thing the doctors did would put me on a cocktail of medication. So I was on mood stabilizers, antidepressants, anti-anxiety. And it wasn't until my fitness journey, where I looked at everything I was eating, removed alcohol, making those lifestyle changes, I began to have less and less symptoms. And now years later, I don't self-harm. I don't have the same thoughts. I'm a completely different person. I'm still very curious to see what my brain looks like, but I can attest to what you're saying for sure that the medication
Starting point is 00:09:45 I was put on made me gain 60 pounds. I had no grip on reality. Yeah. Completely ruined my life. And nobody looked at your brain, which is insane because if you give someone the diagnosis of borderline personality disorder, it means they're really messed up without without no biological data. And so they shame you. That's a very shaming diagnosis. And in my experience is we have to look at, and then I have to get you to stop poisoning your brain, right? Because if you're using alcohol, well, of course your behavior is not going to be awesome. Yeah. And they, they say that borderline personality disorder is a trauma disorder. So I would be curious to see what that would show up as in the brain. It comes from sexual abuse, childhood trauma. There's a number of reasons, but they say it's built up over time. Whereas when I first was diagnosed, I believed it was genetic. This episode is brought to you by
Starting point is 00:10:51 BetterHelp. Guys, I know we are all so busy and it's so easy to get caught up in life. I'm personally running from the office to the studio, to my house. I've got meetings all day, doing things for other people. I'm checking off the to-do list. And I know it can be so difficult to just prioritize time for ourselves. But I can say for me, therapy has just always been this place of peace and where I can truly process what I'm going through. I've been in therapy since I was 14 years old. And the reasons have changed over the years. You know, I'm always going through different things from when I was 14 to now being 29 years old. My life has changed a lot, but I can honestly say sitting down with someone every single week and being able to tell them how I feel and saying it out loud and getting an unbiased
Starting point is 00:11:40 professional opinion has truly been life-changing for me and I know it will be for you too. If you're thinking of starting therapy, give BetterHelp a try. It's entirely online, it's convenient, it's flexible and suited to your schedule. All you need to do is fill out a brief questionnaire to get matched with a licensed therapist and you can switch therapists at any time for no additional charge. You can find more balance with BetterHelp. Visit betterhelp.com slash that but to get a bit more big picture why do brains matter so much but your brain the physical functioning of your brain the moment by moment physical functioning of your brain controls everything you by moment, physical functioning of your brain controls
Starting point is 00:12:46 everything you do, how you think, how you feel, how you act, how you get along with other people. Your brain is the organ of intelligence, character, and every decision you make. And when your brain works right, you work right. And when your brain is troubled for whatever reason, you have trouble in your life. Yet I spoke at a big education conference in California. There were like 2,500 teachers there. And I was sitting next to the curriculum director. And I'm like, how many classes on brain health do you have? And then she looked at her shoes. And when she looked at me, she said, none. I'm like, okay, so your brain learns, your brain loves, your brain creates, and we get kids through college with no information
Starting point is 00:13:42 on their brain. That's insane. Yeah. And you know, I'm a double board certified psychiatrist and I had no training on brain health, no training on brain health. It's like, we just don't know that the brain creates your mind. See some people go, oh no, the mind is separate from the brain. It's complete crap. Your brain, physical function, creates your mind. And so if it's not healthy, think Alzheimer's disease, clearly not healthy. They clearly lost their mind. Get your brain right and your mind will follow. And that's why I've been very passionate about changing the conversation.
Starting point is 00:14:28 I have a nonprofit called Change Your Brain Foundation. And its mission is to end mental illness by creating a revolution in brain health. If we want to reverse this epidemic of mental health problems, we have to change conversation. It's not mental illness. It's brain trouble. Get your brain right. Your mind will follow. And the more you optimize the brain,
Starting point is 00:14:56 and brain health is three things. Brain envy, got to care about it. Avoid things that hurt it. Do things that help it. I mean, that's the answer. The answer is whenever you go make a decision today, this is good for my brain or bad for it and if you can answer that with information and love love of yourself love of your family love of the reason you're on earth just make better decisions and i just don't know other people that are going, it's not mental illness, it's brain health.
Starting point is 00:15:25 Of the 200,000 plus scans you've done, what has been your most shocking discovery? Most psychiatric illnesses are not mental health issues. They're brain health issues. That's one. Two, mild traumatic brain injury is a major cause of psychiatric problems that nobody knows. So a lot of people diagnosed with personality disorders, they've had a car accident or they've
Starting point is 00:15:53 had a fight or they've had a fall. It's just 3 million new head injuries every year in the United States. And most of them live. So what does that mean? Over the last 30 years, there's been 90 million people affected with traumatic brain injury. It's a major cause of trouble that can be reversed. How exciting is that? I did the big NFL study at a time when the NFL was lying. They had a problem about traumatic brain injury in football. So around 2007 to 2011, and the NFL was in active denial. Roger Goodell in front of Congress said, we don't know if playing football causes long-term brain damage. We're studying the issue, which it's a conflict of interest and high levels of damage. But 80% of my players get better when we put them on a rehabilitation program.
Starting point is 00:16:47 Well, how exciting is that? You know, if you're an NFL player and you've hit your head thousands of times, really, you can make that better? Yes. And so if we could make their brains better, just imagine the average person who had a concussion, we put your brain in a healing environment. You can't get better, but you have to have brain envy. You have to care about it. I live in Newport beach where we have more plastic surgeons and
Starting point is 00:17:17 almost anywhere except Beverly Hills. And I often say we care more about our faces, our boobs, our bellies, and our butts than we do our brain. And that's insane. If we don't recall having a fall or a hit to the brain, is it possible that emotional trauma can also show up and impact mental illness? Absolutely. So if you grow up, for example, in an unpredictable environment, your mom or your dad was a drug addict or an alcoholic and life is unpredictable, it causes your emotional brain to start working too hard because you start looking for what's wrong because it protects you. And for people who come to our clinics, we scan everybody pretty much, but we also do cognitive testing. And there's this one test we do where how good are you at recognizing faces? And do you tend to recognize positive faces faster than negative faces. Well, people who grow up in trauma are really good at recognizing faces,
Starting point is 00:18:32 but they recognize negative faces way faster because the trauma heightens their nervous system to go, the world is dangerous. And we do a questionnaire and everybody called the ace questionnaire have you heard that adverse childhood experiences so it's on a scale of zero to ten how many bad things happen to you when you're a child and here are ten of the big ones like physical abuse emotional abuse sexual abuse having a parent that went to jail or your parents got divorced and i scored one on it so i had a pretty stable environment my wife is an eight and when
Starting point is 00:19:17 she took the test she's so recognized negative faces faster and i'm like i can help train that so you recognize more she goes why would i want to do that she's looking out for danger she's looking out for danger i can relate so well even to the point where when i'm speaking to someone i'm dissecting their facial expressions the entire time and kind of looking for oh how are how are they feeling about me? Am I saying the right thing? I think that hype, is it called hypervigilance? You can literally see that on a brain scan. Yes. And so physical trauma, we see decreases in activity in the brain, emotional trauma, we see increase. And one of my favorite tools, I don't know if you've had emdr but i love it it is just one of the most effective forms of psychotherapy to get the trauma out what is that therapy so emdr stands
Starting point is 00:20:17 for eye movement desensitization and reprocessing so what I would have you do is write down 10 of your big traumas. And then we'd go after the first one and I would want to like learn all about it. And what do you think, you know, what is, what's the image? What are the thoughts? What would you rather believe? Have you rate it? And then have you sort of picture yourself on a train bring up the trauma and then i get your eyes to go back and forth and your brain will guide us on where you need to go what are the things you need to remember and it's that bilateral hemisphere stimulation, the eyes going back and forth, that you can integrate it, process it, not as a four-year-old, but as an adult that corrects the four-year-old's distortions. And it's so powerful and often helps people make sense of the trauma, integrate the trauma, and stop.
Starting point is 00:21:28 So if something happened early, children see themselves at the center of the world. And if something good in the family happens, they sort of think it's because of them. And if something bad in the family happened, they sort of think it's because of them. And they end up with guilt and shame that had nothing to do with them.
Starting point is 00:21:49 So, a huge fan of EMDR. How do you handle people who can't remember the trauma? Like, let's say they have something blacked out and they're not able to access. Well, I don't let them make up new stuff. I think that's really important because a lot of people, they can't remember and they can't remember in part because sometimes with sexual abuse and it'll rip apart a family and i'm not a fan of false memories i think you just if you don't remember you have to be super careful with that because sometimes therapists and i know therapists who will go well then you must've been sexually abused.
Starting point is 00:22:46 So they plant that thought and the person will germinate on it. And all of a sudden they'll remember it. I had one patient, for example, she saw a man in a blue suit on top of her and she couldn't breathe. So for years and in therapy with others, she had talked about, he must have molested me. Well, I like hypnosis as well. And so I put her in a trance, took her back to that. She couldn't breathe. And it turned out it was her uncle who was a fireman who was tickling her. And so you just have to be so careful not to find trouble that might not be there. When it comes to trauma, emotional trauma, how much of it is therapy and how much of it is brain health? Well, brain health is foundational to everything because if you're
Starting point is 00:23:45 like, oh, it's trauma and I'm drinking, I'm like, it's not going to help. Or it's trauma and I'm putting toxic products on my body. That's not going to help. Let's get your brain really healthy. And then the therapy tends to go way faster. So I think of it like hardware and software. Like if you have a computer and the hardware is not optimized, you're not going to be able to program it. So the first thing you do is you optimize the hardware and then you work on the software. So I think of therapy as software. You guys know I work out a lot and therefore I sweat a lot. And you also know I'm really particular when it comes to ingredients, especially things I'm putting on my skin. And that's where I found Lume. Lume was created by an OBGYN who discovered and proved in clinical testing that the vagina is
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Starting point is 00:28:00 really, really comfortable. So head over to n Nike.com today to discover all the ways that Nike helps you feel your all. What are the most common bad brain health habits you see? Not caring. I think that's number one. Our society sees alcohol as a health food. It's a complete lie. Moderate drinking, you die early. There was a brand new study out just a couple of weeks ago on 5 million people. And they looked at those studies that said moderate drinking causes you to live longer. And they found it was bad methodology and they would compare it against people who were sick or people who previously had a drinking problem. So bad. Marijuana is innocuous. You know, alcohol is ubiquitous. During the Super Bowl, there were 30 beer commercials. We are being inundated and no matter what Netflix series you watch, there's a ton of
Starting point is 00:29:08 alcohol being consumed, right? So we're being fed alcohols, normal alcohols everywhere. And no, bad for you. As a psychiatrist for 40 years, the biggest problems people get into are when they're drinking. Marijuana is innocuous. That's another lie. Mushrooms will open your mind. I hate how we're unleashing the street drugs of the 60s and calling this progress in psychiatry. Sugar is your friend. It's absolutely the enemy. It increases inflammation, not sleeping, digital addictions. We are lonelier now than ever before, even though we're more connected because people have their faces buried in their phones or their tablets. When people are watching television, they often have three gadgets. So it's hard to
Starting point is 00:30:06 have a relationship with another person when your brain has been hijacked by gadgets. Blue light, especially after dark, turns off the production of melatonin so you're not sleeping. Well, I have a mnemonic I like called bright minds. Keep your brain healthy or rescue it. You have to prevent or treat the 11 major risk factors. And those are sort of the things to avoid. Like B is for blood flow. Don't be sedentary and kill the caffeine, nicotine, marijuana, alcohol that drop blood flow in the brain.
Starting point is 00:30:40 R is retirement and aging. No new learning. New learning keeps your brain young. Or we could have the red meat discussion. If you have low iron in your body, you're going to be anxious and have trouble sleeping. Red meat's awesome for you as long as it's sustainably raised. If you have high iron, you should stay away from red meat and go donate blood.
Starting point is 00:31:02 I is inflammation. One of the surprising things. So low omega-3 fatty acids increase inflammation, processed food increases inflammation. But the surprising thing is not flossing increases inflammation. So gum disease is a major cause of heart disease, which then causes brain disease. And so making sure you're really taking care of your teeth is critically important to brain health. G is genetics. People like, because you had mentioned earlier,
Starting point is 00:31:39 I think this is genetic. Genes load the gun. It's what we do that pulls the trigger. It's what happens to us that pulls the trigger. So I adopted my two nieces because both their parents are drug addicts and unpredictable. And they were terrible parents. And I'm going to be 69 this year. So sort of not my first choice. But I adore them.
Starting point is 00:32:09 And I'm like, you have a family history of addiction. If you never drink, you're never going to have a problem. If you drink, you could have a very severe problem. So every day of their lives, I want them on an addiction prevention program. I have obesity and heart disease in my family and I don't have heart disease and I'm not overweight. Why? Every day of my life, I'm on an obesity and heart disease prevention program. So that's how I want people to think about genetics.
Starting point is 00:32:43 People go, oh, well, I drink because I have problem drinkers in my family. It's like, dude, that's why you shouldn so many toxins. I mean, we talked about alcohol and marijuana. It's a product you put on your body. We have this epidemic of young males with low and continuing to go lower testosterone levels. That's a huge problem. And I believe it's because of the plastics where we're consuming poison. And so thank you for the glass water bottles and the toxic products you put on your body. So you probably know the app Think Dirty. It allows you to scan your personal products and it'll tell you on a scale of one to 10, how quickly they're killing you. So for example, I shaved with Barbasol for 50 years and I read food labels. I'd really never read product labels. And then when I wrote my book, the end of mental illness, I'm like,
Starting point is 00:33:59 oh, you need to read product labels. And there's an app called Think Dirty that allows you to scan your personal products and it'll tell you on a scale of one to 10 how quickly they're killing you. So one is live longer. 10 is die early. Barbicel is a nine. So for 50 years, I'm putting this crap on my face. And now I shave with something called kiss my face and it's a two and it's actually not more expensive because it lasts so much longer.
Starting point is 00:34:35 And if it was more extensive, who cares? It's me. I like me. I want me to not live in a toxic soup. So from underarm deodorant to shampoo to makeup, all you want non-toxic products because whatever goes on your body goes in your body and becomes your body. And we just live in this toxic environment. Plus I grew up in the San Fernando Valley. We had smog days, clearly bad for your brain. So you always want to be detoxifying, whether it's a sauna.
Starting point is 00:35:13 I like infrared saunas a lot. Eating detoxifying foods like brassicas, they're Brussels sprouts, cauliflower, broccoli, kale, cabbage. They help detoxify your body. Back to the alcohol. I think a majority of people listening are consuming at least a glass of wine a week. Let's say you are someone who's having a glass or two of wine a week. What does that look like in the brain scan? It ages your brain. People who drink even a little bit have their brains are
Starting point is 00:35:49 older than they are i published this huge study on 62 000 scans on how the brain ages it's fascinating little kids have really busy brains and then it tastes pretty stable until you're about 60. And then it starts to drop off. Having schizophrenia, a severe brain health problem, your brain looks 10 years older. Using marijuana, your brain looks significantly older. Nicotine significantly older. Alcohol significantly older. Something like schizophrenia, how does that happen in someone's brain? Is that brain damage? No. Schizophrenia has some genetic components to it, but there's a fascinating study in
Starting point is 00:36:35 1991 where they looked at the places in the United States with the highest level of schizophrenia. It was the Northeast, the North Midwest and the West coast. And then they overlaid a map of the highest incidence of Lyme disease. They were identical. It's shocking that I think infectious disease is a major cause of psychiatric problems that very few people focus on. And COVID taught us that's absolutely true, that if you got COVID, you have a 25% increased risk of having a new onset psychiatric disorder within the next four months. Wow. So I think infectious disease is going to be a big deal.
Starting point is 00:37:28 You have scanned the world's most famous brains. I listed some of the names earlier. Have you noticed any overlap between them? I remember when I scanned Kendall Jenner, she really, her emotional brain was just on fire. I think it was post-COVID and that it caused an inflammatory reaction. I'm in Justin Bieber's docu-series, Seasons, and he was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, but he clearly wasn't.
Starting point is 00:38:04 He had a damaged brain and ended up, infectious disease was a major cause of the problem. Their dopamine centers tend to be worn out. Fame is lethal. And I'm pretty unhappy with, you know, when a child, Justin and Miley, becomes famous, they often don't protect them. The level of things these children are exposed to just should be illegal. But when you give a brain that is nowhere near being developed a lot of money and freedom. You know, God gave you parents so you have somebody supervise you until your brain is developed. And I've just seen fame be so disruptive.
Starting point is 00:38:55 Miley has a beautiful brain and she actually has the number one song in the world right now, Flowers. I'm so proud of her because it's about self-love, but she had to do a lot of work on it. She loves her brain, which is why, you know, likely she'll be a star for decades. Yeah. And I noticed Bella Hadid is now sober from alcohol, which I'm sure is due to your influence. Yeah. And for some reason, Inside Edition decided to pick on me. Controversial psychiatrist, belladide stops alcohol, you know,
Starting point is 00:39:28 with the controversial psychiatrist. And then they tried to hate on me, but she's awesome. And love your brain. When you love your brain, you go, well, why would I drink? Why would I drink a disinfectant? Because alcohol is a disinfectant. To feel better. Because when you stop drinking, you then withdraw and then you want to drink more. So have you heard of the Stockholm Syndrome? I think so.
Starting point is 00:39:56 So the Stockholm Syndrome, many people, actually older like me, remember when Patty Hearst was kidnapped, the famous media heiress, and she then fell in love with her kidnapper. And it was actually named after people in 1973 in Stockholm, Sweden, who were kidnapped. And then they went on to protect their kidnappers. I think of alcohol and marijuana and sugar the same way, that people fall in love with their captors. Because once you start drinking, it changes your brain to need it in order for you to feel okay. I'm not okay with that. Any alcohol increases your risk of seven different types of cancer and cancer is clearly
Starting point is 00:40:47 bad for your brain the american cancer society and they probably lost millions or more donations from the alcohol industry because they came out with a statement that any alcohol is a problem but yeah you know we have lebron james or other you know famous athletes coming out with their vodka brands and what does that do it's like oh to be cool you have to drink and i'm like to be stupid you have to drink just because why do you want to lose your mind so i'm confused and it tastes terrible i mean it's like that's why things taste terrible because it means they're poisonous and you had but you know we can put maybe enough sugar in it or the flavors or we can lie to ourselves and go no this, this tastes awesome. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:46 It's like, no, it tastes terrible. It really is the most normalized drug that there is, I guess. It's everywhere. That along with caffeine. Yeah. Guys, Greg and I are so picky when it comes to groceries and we're particularly particular when it comes to meat. We want high quality meat at a good price. And that is where we found Butcher Box. We recently purchased the free range organic chicken and Greg actually got me a Traeger grill for my birthday. It makes it super smoky and delicious. We threw the chicken on the Traeger,
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Starting point is 00:43:58 also dealt with acne. So it's not like they are preaching to someone that hasn't dealt with it before. They know exactly what it's like to experience acne. They've been through it and healed it themselves, which is why they invented their brand, Clear Stem Skincare. It's a revolutionary skincare brand. It's anti-aging, anti-acne with zero hormone disruptors or toxins. And since talking to them, I have completely switched over my skincare. I actually went through every single product that I'm using with Danielle.
Starting point is 00:44:28 And she pointed out to me so many products in my skincare line that I was using that had acne clogging characteristics. So I was really happy I went through that with her. And I've now switched. All of their products are based on over eight years of clinical work in the San Diego acne clinic and their products are formulated by the acne guru they also are well known for their hormonal acne supplement mind body skin that is the best natural alternative to accutane I love the fact that they're focused on internal health as well acne has so much to do with what
Starting point is 00:45:02 we eat the supplements we take what's going on with our bodies on the inside. So guys, I have absolutely loved using these products. I love Danielle and Kaylee and I love their brand. Go to clearstemskincare.com and use code POW for 15% off your order. That's clearstemskincare.com. Use code POW for 15% off. Caffeine. What is that doing to the brain? Constricts blood flow, which means it prematurely ages your brain. You know, we talked about brain envy. I want you to have blood flow envy because when you're doing anything that damages your blood vessels you get older and caffeine powerfully constricts blood flow and yes you feel more alert and then not and because of its half-life you still have about 20 around when you're going to bed. If you had coffee in
Starting point is 00:46:05 the morning, that's going to disrupt sleep. And if it disrupts sleep, then you're going to be tired in the morning and you're going to like, oh no, I need my caffeine. So we're always chasing withdrawal. And I want people to do things that help them feel good now and later versus now, but not later. I mean, alcohol is a great example. I worked with this consultant on how people change and it was really awesome work. And then I saw him a year later and he said, because of you, I wake up a hundred percent every day. I'm like, thank you. That made me feel good. He said, I stopped drinking.
Starting point is 00:46:48 So I used to wake up often feeling badly. So why would you do something on a regular basis that makes you say stuff you shouldn't say, do things you shouldn't do, and then you pass it off like, I love it. And I don't know if you've ever been in a bad relationship. Yeah, of course. Me too. I feel like we all have. Me too.
Starting point is 00:47:11 I'm not doing it anymore. And I'm for sure not doing it with food or with drinks. So when I go to drink something or I go to eat something, do I love it? And does it love me? So like I make my family a brain healthy hot chocolate every night. What's in it? So raw cacao, raw organic cacao, unsweetened organic almond milk. And there's a company I like called Sweet Leaf. They make liquid stevia. They make 11 different flavors. My favorite is chocolate. And so you put, that's it, right? Heat up the milk, put in the raw cacao, a little bit of chocolate stevia. It's 84 calories. So
Starting point is 00:48:01 it's calorie smart. I think calories matter. I love it. It loves me. We have a good relationship. Or I love lemonade. So I take sparkling water with a lemon, a little bit of chocolate stevia. I'm like happy as a clam. It's virtually no calories. It tastes good. I love it.
Starting point is 00:48:20 It loves me. And that's the relationship. And people go, oh, but how can you have any fun? Who has more fun? The kid with the good brain or the kid with the bad brain? The 69-year-old with a good brain or the 69-year-old with a bad brain? Who has more fun? Because what do you really want in life? I mean, for me, I want energy, clarity, memory, focus, creativity. I want passion, connection, purpose. Those are all the things I want. Alcohol doesn't fit any of them. What are some other small steps everyone listening can take today to better brain health? So the most important thing, it takes three seconds, is to ask yourself, whenever you're
Starting point is 00:49:10 going to make a decision today, is this good for my brain or bad for it? And if you can answer that with information and love, love of yourself, love of your family, love of your mission, you're going to start making better decisions. And honestly, most seven-year-olds would get a 95% on a test. This is good for my brain or bad for my brain. Start every day with today is going to be a great day. So you start directing your mind rather than having your negative mind direct you. And when you go to bed at night, and this is my favorite of all of them, I say a prayer and then I go, what went well today? And I start at the beginning of my day and I go on a treasure hunt looking for what's right and what I like, because probably like you you I'm busy and I have cool things happen
Starting point is 00:50:06 and I don't pay attention to them enough and so I'm directing my mind too often people are watching the news or listening to negative music or scrolling and there's lots of negativity and they're not the ones in charge of their mind. I want to be in charge of my mind. Another fun technique I talk, I have a new book, Change Your Brain Every Day. It's 366 short essays on the most important things I've ever said. And one of the days I like a lot is give your mind a name. It's based on a concept of gain psychological distance from the noise in your head. You are not your thoughts.
Starting point is 00:50:55 You are not the noise. And so I named my mind after my pet raccoon who I'd love. She was awesome when I was 16. I had a pet raccoon. But she was a troublemaker, just like my mind. She TP'd my mother's bathroom, toilet papered my mother's bathroom, took all the toilet paper off the roll, put it everywhere. It was a bad day. Ate all the fish out of my sister's aquarium. She'd leave raccoon poo in my shoes. I mean, a raccoon is an interesting pet choice i've loved her but she's a troublemaker just like my mind i love my mind but it can like conjure up
Starting point is 00:51:33 all sorts of awful things are gonna happen and i find that so helpful my patients find that really helpful to just separate from the nonsense, the noise. How do we begin to convince the rest of the world to care about their brains? Well, you're helping me. So I'm very grateful for that. It's education, but we're up against evil. And I'm not kidding when I say that we're up against evil, powerful forces that make billions of dollars on our illness.
Starting point is 00:52:10 If there were 337 million prescriptions last year for antidepressants, somebody is making money off of our sickness. And then they'll pick on me because I'm like, that's a bad thing. It's not the right thing. Or big food that are shoving really toxic, terrible food down our throat that will kill us early. Social media companies, news companies, they're not on our side. They're not our friends. And so when you try to get the message out, there's a lot of obstacles. But I always say God gave us a big brain for a reason. We just have to be consistent, persistent. Yeah. But we're in a war for the health of our brains. I have to ask, what are some of your favorite foods for brain health and least favorite? So least favorite, I think red dye. A lot of people react negatively to it.
Starting point is 00:53:13 Sugar, foods that turn to sugar. Study at the Mayo Clinic, people have a fat-based diet. So I'm a huge fan of fat. Salmon, avocados, nuts and seeds, green leafy vegetables. They have 42% less risk of getting Alzheimer's disease if that was the primary staple in their diet. And mine is very much like that. People have a simple carbohydrate-based diet, all the things you love, like bread, pasta, potatoes, rice, fruit juice, sugar, they have a 400% increased risk of getting Alzheimer's disease. You want to be very afraid of diabetes because it damages blood vessels. And 20%
Starting point is 00:54:01 of the blood flow in your body actually goes to your brain. And so your brain is 2% of your body's weight, but uses 20% of the blood flow. Anything that damages blood flow damages your brain. Now, how I hook women is often your skin's going to be prettier if you go on a brain healthy diet. How I hook men is your erections are going to be harder because it's about blood flow, right? I mean, if you have blood flow problems anywhere, 40% of 40-year-olds have erectile dysfunction. 70% of 70-year-olds, I'm like, that's a bad thing.
Starting point is 00:54:39 Well, I love hearing that the fats are good because I eat a very high-fat diet. I had salmon last night. I did have a little bit of rice, so I should avoid the rice. You should always know your blood sugar, especially your hemoglobin A1c. And so if you think of rice like a condiment, it's probably not that bad. If you think of it as the main part of the meal that's a problem because it's rice whether it's brown rice or white rice spikes your blood sugar and i like on tiktok there are a couple of people i follow and they're always like here's a meal and then
Starting point is 00:55:22 they check their continuous glucose monitor. I think having a continuous glucose monitor is a cool thing. Like I love cherries, but they don't love me back. They totally spike my blood sugar. Blueberries don't. And so what are those foods that keep my blood sugar stable? Because when you have diabetes, you lose your mind, you lose your heart, you lose sometimes your limbs or your eyesight. Don't want high blood sugar. So now it's time for the question we ask every guest. I started this podcast because I believe everyone's pursuit of wellness looks different. What does wellness mean to you? So wellness to me means consistent good decisions to optimize my brain and my body. You know, the whole point
Starting point is 00:56:18 of your body is to carry around your brain. So, but you want your body to be as healthy as possible. Where can everyone find you and your books online? So brand new book, Change Your Brain, every day. It's available anywhere great books are sold. You can find me on TikTok at DocAmon, on Instagram at Doc underscore Amon. Find out about our clinical work at Amon, like the last word in a prayer, amenclinics.com.
Starting point is 00:56:45 I really want to get my brain scanned with you. I'm so curious. Thank you so much for coming on today. What a joy. Thank you. Thank you for listening to today's episode. Go comment on my last Instagram at Mari Llewellyn with the guest you want to see next. I'll be picking one person from the comments to send our bloom greens to.
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