Pursuit of Wellness - “Everyone Is Washing Their Face Wrong!” Skincare, Motherhood & Fertility w/ Celeste Thomas

Episode Date: January 29, 2024

Ep. #68 Explore the world of holistic skincare with expert Celeste Thomas as she opens up about her personal journey, offering valuable insights into achieving clear and radiant skin. Celeste emphasizes the importance of addressing the root cause of skin issues and introduces key principles for maintaining healthy skin. Dive into the discussion on stress management, the impact of daily habits, proper facial cleansing techniques, and the benefits of various skincare procedures. Celeste's vulnerability shines through as she shares her journey through motherhood and fertility, providing a unique perspective on wellness. Discover Celeste's favorite non-pore-clogging products and gain practical skincare tips for men, postpartum care, and recommended facial routines. Join us for a holistic exploration of skincare, motherhood, and overall wellness, guided by the insightful experiences and wisdom of Celeste Thomas. Tune in to elevate your skincare and wellness journey with expert advice and genuine insights. Leave Me a Message - click here! For Mari’s Instagram click here! For Pursuit of Wellness Podcast’s Instagram click here! For Mari’s Newsletter click here! For Celeste Thomas’s Instagram click here! For Celeste Thomas’s TikTok click here! Show Links: RMS foundation Merit blush  Honest Simple Gel Cleanser CLEARstem  Natural Cycles  Clearstem Hello Sunshine sunscreen Clearstem Mens Kit Vivobarefoot are offering 100-day trial on their footwear. You can purchase yours today with an exclusive 15% discount for our listeners. Seed Oil Scout is available globally for iOS and Android, download at seedoilscout.com/pow today! Visit https://carawayhome.com/pursuit to take advantage of this limited-time offer for 10% off your next purchase. This deal is exclusive for our listeners, so visit https://carawayhome.com/pursuit or use code PURSUIT at checkout. Caraway.

Everyone is washing their face wrong. What? Am I washing my face wrong? I mean, probably. Okay, what? This is the Pursuit of Wellness podcast, and I'm your host, Mari Llewellyn. Hi, guys. Welcome back to the Pursuit of Wellness podcast. I am so excited for today's episode. It's a really special one. We're talking to my good friend Celeste Thomas. She's someone that I admire so freaking much. I can't wait to tell

you more about her. Before we hop in, I want to let you know that the Amazon sale of the year is live. Our greens are 30% off right now. I'll make sure I link it in the show notes do not miss the sale because we don't do it often so celeste she's incredible and i feel so honored to get to share her with you guys she's a registered nurse and holistic skincare expert she is such a joy and such a positive person she's also a kick-ass mom she is a mom to baby od Odie. She's a wife. She's amazing style. And she's honestly one of the most incredible people I've ever met. She's also been through an acne journey like me, but now she has like the glassiest, glowiest skin and she does not gatekeep. She has so many tips when it comes to non-toxic, non-pore clogging ingredients and the best procedures she's done and the ones that just aren't worth it. She's also just so knowledgeable when it comes to fertility. She had a long fertility

journey with getting her baby Odie so she shares kind of what she did after coming off birth control. Today we're talking about the negative side effects of Accutane, how to get to the root cause of your skin issues, what actually works for acne and for skin in general, why everyone is washing their face wrong. Listen up, guys. Why we shouldn't be slugging, the best treatments, laser, needling, Morpheus, threads, and more. Skincare tips for our men, motherhood and fertility, setting boundaries, making female friendships, and so much more. You guys are going to love this episode. And as a reminder, if you do enjoy the show, please subscribe, follow, leave a review. It helps me so, so much. We're doing two episodes a week at the moment,

which has been a freaking whirlwind, but so much fun. And I can tell you guys are really loving it. So please don't forget to subscribe. Let's hop into this conversation with Celeste. Today on the show we have a super special guest, a very close friend of mine and someone who I admire so much. Celeste, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me. I feel like this is just going to be a conversation that we would record like in your car. I know. Hanging out. I know. Like we always do. We have so many great chats and I've been dying to get you on the show and it's finally happening. And the girls were so excited, by the way.

I'm a pal girl, so I am very excited as well. And for everyone listening, Mari is even more incredible in person. She is the kindest, most thoughtful, genuine human. And I just wanted everyone to know that because you are. Thank you, Celeste. You're amazing. And I feel like I don't want to dive too deep, but I have only known Celeste for a year maybe. And we've gotten so close and have so many similarities. And what I love about being friends with you is you are like

a couple years ahead of me and where I want to be so I can always ask you questions and kind of look up to you in that way whereas I feel like for my age I'm kind of doing things that not a lot of people my age are doing so it's really nice to have someone who has a child and is doing their career and takes care of themselves so we've got lots of things to talk about today. You are a registered nurse, which I always forget, by the way, holistic skincare expert, mother, wife, style icon, in my opinion. Guys, look at the dress. Love you. Obsessed. So let's hop right in because we have a lot to discuss. Yes. If you don't mind, I'd love to start all the way at the beginning and just hear a little bit about your childhood because I feel like it will give us context about who you are today. Yes. So I am an only child.

I was born in Hawaii, spent most of my childhood years there. I have a single mom, so that really kind of started my journey. And I feel like a lot of the decisions in my early life were because of that upbringing. Definitely really interested in health and wellness. I think in Hawaii, it's just such a natural part of life. So I grew up going to health food stores with green smoothies, just feeling good and caring about health and wellness. Then we moved to Oregon when my parents got divorced and my mom is from there. We lived in rural Oregon, so horse girl country, which we've connected on that before. I am personally not a horse girl, but my mom is. And I think being raised by a single parent, at least in my case, I was

definitely urged to do some sort of career that would afford me to have a lifestyle, take care of myself, and not stress financially because my mom really struggled financially when I was a kid. So in high school, I was very interested in science and went into nursing school because I thought I wanted to be a nurse. And I am a nurse today, but not in the typical sense. So in nursing school, I was kind of going through all the different practicums and learning about different types of nursing and nothing really connected with me because healthcare is not really about wellness. It's about sick care and band-aids and I just didn't feel really connected to it. So throughout those years, I was really struggling with my skin. I genetically have acne prone skin. My mom had acne, never really knew how to treat it. She kind

of grew out of it. But I was struggling with acne really, really terribly in nursing school. So I was like, okay, if I can learn more about skin and heal my acne, maybe that's my niche. So I ended up working for a plastic surgeon in his med spa office, treating skincare for seven years. I have tried every medication just short of Accutane, every laser, every medical grade product and really realized that none of that stuff healed my acne. And I know we're going to get into your acne journey. But that was just so upsetting. It was shocking, upsetting. I was like, okay, I have access to everything and nothing works. What is the solution? And I lived in LA. I moved to LA when I got into my aesthetic nursing career. So I had some friends that

were fermenting food, going to the farmer's market. So that really started my holistic skincare journey and everything that I learned that actually healed my skin and what I share now on social media. It's crazy because I have not known you with acne. You've known me with acne. You've seen me at really, really bad stages of acne. As you just mentioned, you went through different stages of trying spironolactone, Accutane. I didn't try Accutane. That was one thing. My dermatologist wanted me to do it as a last-ditch resort, but I knew I wanted to be a mother and just the potential infertility and, you know, the liver issues. I was not willing to deal with any of those side effects. Being a nurse, I actually read the information about the side effects and that was the one thing I didn't.

So same, I never took Accutane. What would you say are the craziest side effects of Accutane? I need to look again because like right off the top of my head, but I know that it can really damage your liver. I know if you get pregnant, you can severely deform your fetus. I know it can sometimes kind of bring up autoimmune issues, skin issues as far as like really dry, irritated red skin, skin that ages more prematurely because you have no oils. I mean, there's a laundry list of things that can potentially happen. And as we know from TikTok, Alex Earl four times on Accutane, it's not a solution that people claim that it is. Getting to the root cause of what's happening in your body and really being consistent about your health is what clears your skin. It's wild seeing the popularity of Accutane now because influencers are posting about it

and it's tough to watch from our perspective because we've kind of been through the actual healing process and you have to be so patient and willing to put in the hard work and I feel like watching these young girls take the Accutane and drink on the Accutane and continuously do it it's kind of watching like a car crash happen in slow motion. You know what I mean? And the sad thing is, is that there's not access to resources to help people heal their skin. Actually, like the dermatologists out there that your insurance pays for are going to prescribe you like they did with me and probably you, topical antibiotics, oral antibiotics, spironolactone, then to Accutane. And you can't blame the young girls because that's all they have access to.

And I feel like now things on social media are changing and we're really seeing a popularity and people wanting to get to the root cause and heal themselves. And that's why I'm on social media. I want to be that resource I didn't have when I was an 18 to 24 year old girl crying every day and not wanting to leave my house because I would wake up with a new breakout every day. And my self-confidence was trash. I was so anxious and I just don't want anyone else to experience that because I know more now and I know what really works and I always want to be able to share that. Such a great point about the confidence. I don't think people realize how much of an impact it has on your whole identity. I mean, it's the way that you show up in a room when you're talking to someone,

it really can have such a big impact on your own self value. Your content is amazing. The Eat to Glow recipes are my fave. What would you say are your key principles when it comes to skin and like what actually works? Yeah. I mean, there's so many things. So it's like, okay, we'll get into it. Some things I feel like no matter what is happening with your own personal gut or hormones, like this can be helpful and beneficial for you. The number one thing that I would see when I did private coaching, stress is huge when it comes to skin and people often overlook that. So what I always recommend is having some stress management practices and it might sound silly and woo-woo, but just having those first 15 to 30 minutes of

your day being phone-free, caffeine caffeine free, and taking a moment, whether it's legitimately petting Arnold for 10 minutes and just getting a serotonin boost, or it's going on a silent walk, or it's stretching, like whatever feels good to you, that moment of decompressing and starting your day on a more mellow note is going to be really helpful for your hormones and your skin. Yeah. As a mom, do you wake up before OD in order to get that time? I wake up at five. In order to like have your own moment? Yeah. Okay. I like that. I want to give tips to any moms listening because I know I have a bunch. Yes. I mean, all you mamas out there, first of all, you're doing it. No matter what you're doing, you're incredible because it is truly the hardest job and the hardest job to balance having your own time to take care of yourself. But I will say, myself included, we spend way too much time on

our phones. So if you had half of that time back, you could probably do all the wellness things that you wanted. Okay. So stress, one. Two is diet. And as Mari and I both experienced recently with cheese breakouts. Not the cheese. Not me ordering pizza at my house. I think it's the Gemini. I got it for the boys. What is wrong with us? Like every weekend I'm like, I could probably eat cheese now. No, still can't. Like what? No bitch, you can't. Because I have so many guests on the show who talk about the benefits of raw dairy and I'm like, let me dabble. But every time I break out. And we're all so bio-individual. So Mari and I are sensitive girlies. Super sensitive

in every meaning of the word. We can't do anything fun. No, we can't, but there are consequences. Including cheese. I love when we both show up at Pilates with breakouts, we can't, but there are consequences. Including cheese. I love when we both show up at Pilates with breakouts and we're like, I ate cheese. Damn you. It's just so good. It's so good. I know. I will say, cheese hack, Parmesan cheese, aged good Parmesan cheese, most of the lactose, which is potential to break you out, is metabolized by bacteria. So you can get away with... I can get away with Parmesan cheese. Yep. I had it actually last weekend and I think my breakouts are just from microneedling right now. So I think you're right. 100%. So cheese hack. Cheese hack.

But diet is so, so huge. Literally your skin is a reflection of what's happening inside your body. And the amount of inflammatory foods that we're eating, unbeknownst to us, for the most part, we're crazy with labels after however many years of stress and struggle. But the average pal girly may not realize how much sugar is in her food, how much inflammatory oils are in her food, what the dairy, the gums, the additives, preservatives. I mean, I cook like 95% of my food. That's how I keep my skin clear. And I know what's in it. And if I'm traveling or eating out a lot, my skin not only will be more broken out, pores will be clogged, but it just will look dull and not glowy.

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Seed Oil Scout is available globally for iOS and Android. You can download at seedoilscout.com slash pow today. I love the story you told me recently about how your family was making um or ordering in chicken wings to do the hot sauce test and Celeste goes yeah I walked a mile and a half to get my own chicken wings from the grocery store and bake them love that it's the commitment it's the commitment but I feel like we're almost lucky because we have to yeah because we literally break out if we don't yeah some people don't have the same skin problems and they just are able to get away with eating the processed

food but it will hit them potentially later on oh 100 it'll hit them yeah and that's the shitty thing about our food system and being from the uk originally like there's stuff in the uk that we would or that would never accept american food like Just the amount of crappy ingredients. So if you want to improve your skin, make your food at home as much as possible. If you have a favorite almond milk brand, look at the label. Does it have a ton of added sugar?

Does it have inflammatory oils? Just try to find your staples that you know are good quality. Thrive Market is a great example of a low-cost place that has really high quality stuff. So the more you can simplify your diet, cook at home, incredible. And then I'll give one more, maybe just two more really good ones. Everyone is washing their face wrong. What?

Am I washing my face wrong? I mean, probably. Okay, what? This is one of my biggest, biggest things I like to talk about because think about the end of the day. We're done. We're exhausted. We're literally, I don't want to mess up my mic, but we're doing a five-second cleanser to get our makeup off. If you took a white cotton round and put it on your skin, what would that look like after you wash your face? Yep. No, you're right. And I've actually tested this out and that's why I do multiple washes now, cleanses, because I was not doing it the right way. And no one is. I mean, we're just not thinking about it. So, Pow Girls, I challenge you. Put a timer on your phone for one minute and then cleanse your

face, like facial massage. Get in there. Make sure you're hitting your upper lip, the bridge of your nose, all the way up to your hairline, your neck, like chin acne. I mean, are we even washing the sebum, dirt, oil, indoor pollutants, outdoor pollutants, makeup? Like how is your skin supposed to breathe and absorb any of your products if it's not clean? Okay, question. I want to tell you how I do it and see what you think. For example, today I have makeup on. The way I would go about it is I would do micellar water. I think it's called bio something. Yes. On a pad.

Whole face. Yes. Then I use an oil cleanser and I go in, in, in. And I think it's from the acne clinic I work with in New York. Okay. Go, go, go. And then I have baby towels that I use. Yes, me too.

Okay, cool. Wet that, get it off. Then I do my Clear Stem, the calming cleanser. Then I do that. Mari is the most extra and I love it. Well, I have to because otherwise, you know me, like I will break out. Yeah, yeah.

Then red light. Yes. Then products. Which I love. Is that correct? I think that's great. Okay. You might even be doing one more step than you need to. I know. I'm a bit extra with that. And. Zen products. Which I love. Is that correct? I think that's great. Okay. You might even be doing one more step than you need to.

I know. I'm a bit extra with that. And that's okay. Like you are an extremist in the best of ways. You are. You do all the things right. Like Mari's the best pupil. Emily is like, Mari, you're my best student ever.

It's because I'm traumatized. I am traumatized. As a trauma response. I'm not being disciplined. I'm just traumatized. We're working through a lot of things. You're not alone if you're listening and you're still struggling with your childhood trauma

because we're right there with you. Yeah. But no, it's great. I think that's awesome. I think that the micellar water and the oil cleansing are kind of one in the same. So you could probably skip out on one of them. I feel like I should skip

on the micellar. Yeah. I don't think you need it. Okay. The oil cleanse will be able to get your makeup off. Cool. Yeah. I just use one cleanser, just one gel-based gentle cleanser for my makeup. And if I need to do it. Everyone's going to want to know. I love to. I love the Honest Simple Gel Cleanser. It's like 15 bucks. Okay. Really good. And then the Clear Stem Cleanser is also incredible. A little bit more expensive, but it's very nice. Okay. You love Clear Stem. It's great. That was my other question. With all of these recommendations, with diet, stress, et cetera, how important is the actual skincare we're using? I think it's probably, it's so hard because everyone's different. It's like if your diet is 100, then it's 50%. But it depends where you are in your

journey and what you're doing. I always like to say it's probably 25 to 30%. Which is crazy because people think it's the thing that will fix their skin. Yeah. And it's not. It's like the added bonus. It's whoever you're talking to. If you're talking to an esthetician, they're going to say skincare is 95%. If you talk to a nutritionist, they're going to say diet is 95%. If you talk to a dermatologist, they're going to say, you know, it's genetics and medication is going to be the 95% and just put Aquaphor on your face. So everyone, when you're listening to people online, just know your intuition and what you think is happening in your body is really what's happening. Sure, we have a lot of education to do if you're dealing with your skin and you're struggling, but you can't listen to everyone

or everything you hear, especially if there's some sort of motive that involves you paying someone. Yeah, like the whole slugging trend. I'm going to pass on that one. Hard pass if you're acne prone. Hard pass. Like, love it for you guys. Not for me. No.

A crazy occlusive barrier that's literally meant to clog your pores. They're using Vaseline, right? Yeah. If you have dry 55-year-old skin, 60-year-old skin, you've never had a breakout go go off slug yourself enjoy like i'm not gonna put the byproduct of oil manufacturing on my face personally but there's lots of things you could slug with i love that slug yourself sounds really inappropriate like what where did this word come from sounds Sounds sexual. I know there's a movement

happening right now and Emily's posting about it. By the way, for anyone who doesn't know, Emily is mine and Celeste's integrative health practitioner. I always try to say the full title because I keep calling her my doctor and I shouldn't say that. So there's a big movement right now with non-pore clogging ingredients versus a product that claims it's clean. How do we know if a product is actually non-pore clogging versus it's just marketing itself as clean? This is something I've been getting into recently too. Like this is very eye-opening for me and her research and working with as many clients as she has has really opened my eyes to the potential for acne

based on clogging your pores with certain ingredients. They're completely different things. I mean, the hard thing is, is that there's no real certification for clean skincare like there is for organic. We don't know. It's a greenwashing marketing term. It's really about knowing the ingredients and what their potential high usage result is. So is it endocrine disrupting? Is it causing cancer? Is it irritating your skin? And it is very, very challenging to distinguish product from product.

Plus, what no one really knows is say we figure out okay phthalates are bad companies will then reformulate a chemical component and rename pretty much the same thing a different jargony term once consumers have found out what phthalates are they'll come up with a new jargony name so like it's really impossible for you to know what's clean. Find your trusted sources. Me, Emily, Environmental Working Group, Think Dirty, brands like Credo. And that's your first line of defense. And the second line of defense, if you're an acne prone girly, is to find either an influencer you trust to shop their recommendations.

Me, Emily, Mari and what she uses. Brand an influencer you trust to shop their recommendations, me, Emily, Mari, and what she uses. Brands that you trust, maybe it's Clear Stem, maybe it's Coco Kind, like those brands that don't use pork logging ingredients, even though Coco Kind does have some. So it really, it takes a little bit of research or you can just find your people and know that they're doing the research for you. One of my favorite recommendations you gave me was RMS. Yeah. I'm obsessed with RMS.

I use their foundation. I have it on today. Same. Oh, I love it. So good. And the glow sunscreen. I know. So good because I use it as a bronzer.

Yeah. When I have a spray tan, I need to kind of match my face. I put the sunscreen underneath and it's also you can wear it by itself and it looks so nice. Yes. You inspired me to get the darker color. Yeah. It's so good.

It's so good. So good. I get a lot of questions, guys. RMS is amazing. It is incredible. And their lip liner, my favorite lip liner of all time. Oh. It's so good.

You don't say. Yeah, I'm having it on right now. Dang. Love. And then also Merit. I know not all of their stuff is non-pore clogging, but I have the blush and I'm pretty sure it's non-pore clogging. I haven't tried any of their stuff, but I need to.

You would love the blush. Yes. I have the dark one and it actually is really, really nice. Okay, I need to try. But yeah, guys, go for it. You need to raid your makeup bag, actually. We haven't done that. Yeah.

We need to go on a girl's trip and then we can see what each other are working with. I know. Because that's always fun. Because i would use anything you use we have similar coloring so i feel like it would work out yeah um but i have gone through every i mean on my acne journey i went through every single product i use and put it in a website and it's really tedious fee had to help me because i was having a hard time and we checked everything and i remember crying because i had to throw some of my favorite products out. But you just end up forgetting about it. Oh, yeah.

And there's such great things out there now that you can use. So guys, follow Celeste, follow Emily, because they always are posting about great non-pore clogging options. Thanks. And I have my recent skincare routine with all the products that are completely non-pork logging that I just posted for like winter. So people can kind of see what I'm using because I'm all about the layering. And I'm also, I really love affordable brands. I have a kid,

I live in LA. I'm not spending a hundred dollars on a product because really it's like for me, I've found through trying so many different brands, I get sent everything, which I feel so blessed. But some of the $80 things are poor clogging and don't work great. So like I want to test them all and share the good good. You know, what actually is worth your money. And I really, once I find something affordable that I love, I'm like, I'm sticking with it. I love that. And I like the fact that we have those affordable options. I mean, like La Mer, isn't that the most expensive one? Isn't that insanely pork-logging? Completely. I did a dupe yesterday. I do these non-toxic dupes and I did the La Mer dupe. It's

an SPF 50. It's $115. And it has, I think I found like seven different pork pore cloggers, irritants, hormone disruptors, and potential carcinogens. That's crazy. Oh my God. What about Dr. Barbara Sturm? I've been, I've tried to use her as dupes because sometimes when there's very viral brands, I'm like, ooh, I'm going to dig,

I'm going to find something. You're like a little investigator. I love this. And her stuff's pretty clean. Is it? And I didn't find any pork loggers in her SPF. And the majority of her stuff is pretty clean. I have heard from estheticians that I trust that it is so ridiculously overpriced for the ingredient quality that I don't recommend it.

But if I was offered a facial at her studio, I'd be like, all right. Okay, Barbara, I'm on my way. Barbara, okay. She's killing it though, right? That's a huge brand. Huge brand. Good for her.

Yeah. I know you're also really open about procedures you've had done. So you've spoken about Morpheus, injectables, threading. I want to talk to you about what you think is actually worth it and what isn't. And I also love you're very careful with who you go to and you're very into the subtle look of everything. So I really trust your opinion. Thank you. So tell us what you've done that you think was amazing and what you've done that you're like,

don't even bother. Yes. So my background, I actually was an injector and did laser facials for seven years. So I really know what's on the market. I have lots of experience trying everything in my clinical practice. And I mean, I want to stay looking good. I'll be 35 this year.

So I'm like trying to maximize my own collagen and feel incredible because I don't want to wake up at 45 and feel the need to do a facelift and you know, all the things. So I'm trying to just do all of the non-invasives. High maintenance to be low maintenance. Exactly. That's the new thing I've heard. Yes. Yes. I feel like that's going to be your Texas hot wife vibe. You are, you already are that, but like all the things I love. And I'm going to Sherpa you through all of these. I'm not doing anything before I talk to Celeste, honestly. I love it. Okay. So, um, few things. I feel like the trend of big lips and lip filler is really

aging young girls. So I do not recommend that. I think lip filler is great. It's fine. It's a hyaluronic acid. I mean, everyone who questions my connection to non-toxic and then also wanting to do injectables, are they the cleanest thing in the whole world? No. But when we think about our toxic load as a whole, I'm not cooking out of plastic. I'm not using a microwave. I have air purifiers. I'm eating all organic. I'm doing so many things that lower my toxic load. Botox and filler to me is not going to move the needle for my entire health toxic load quota. Preach. Plus, I'm still drinking alcohol, which crosses a blood-brain barrier just like Botox.

And we don't know what the long-term complications of Botox is, but we know the long-term complications of drinking alcohol. It's not positive. So take everything with the greatest salt. And just, if you want to do something like Botox or filler, don't let anyone make you feel bad about it. I get the same comment all the time. I love your answer there. It's a full circle approach. It's like, look at everything you're doing on a daily basis. And if you want to do a little something, it's like you pick and choose. It's better to have the knowledge and then decide. And you might be moving to the woods soon, but I am not about to move to the woods, like have my own well, you know know make my own woolen clothes because of

what do you think i'm doing in texas like i'm not making i'm not knitting i'm not making wool i mean it's great that you're moving out to texas because you're not gonna have the pollutants that we have every day that's pretty much what i mean but you're gonna be out there you might have chickens you might be farm girl come over i'll make you a sweater. I mean, I'm here for it. I think I'm allergic to wool. Come use my well. You think that's funny. You're going to move to Texas and people are going to ask you if you're on a well because in rural Oregon, we talk about our wells a lot. Are you serious? Yeah. Everyone flexes their well. Like my well's bigger than yours. Exactly. My well's deeper than yours. Stop. I'm getting sexual. I'm ready to go to Texas and just go full granola mode. You know, just like tip over the edge.

I'm so excited to see where we are in a year with Mari and her fashion. What she's chatting about to the neighbors. If you see me disappear off social, just know you're living your farm dream. I'm digging a hole. I'm rolling around. She's going to be a homesteader. She's the new ballerina farm. Oh my God. Well, not with that many kids. That's crazy. Did you see her giving birth in a bathtub

with all her kids around the bathtub? I mean, I would punch a child. Sorry. I, by that point, I think they just fall out. I think, I think by that point, no, it can't be. It's still got to be awful, but I give her But I give her all the props. I'm the biggest fan of Mrs. Ballerina Farm. Me too. Everyone who wants to question her, she's the mother of eight, okay? That alone, she deserves a medal. I don't care if she had $300 million previously.

That's the thing. What do you want her to do? She's, yeah. She's living her best life. She's making pumpkin bagels from scratch with eight kids. With pure pumpkin, like butter from her cow. She's milking

the cow every day. I posted it in my story, guys, and I was like, dream life. And Celeste was like, not my dream life. And Celeste posted a woman walking down Rodeo Drive. It was Morgan Stewart. Was it really? And Celeste was like, this is my dream life so you know to each their own i grew up doing farm chores and i'm done i get that so i think everyone

has their farm moment i already had mine i'm ready for my farm moment did i tell you there's a miniature horse farm down the road from my house in austin yeah that's a problem i can't wait to bring od for bring od and we'll pop her on one and if she fits i'll just get it because then i have a reason to have a pony okay anyway sorry back to procedures oh yeah you went on just a massive tangent yes okay procedures what i recommend okay so i'm gonna talk about probably the the pow demo of women that are probably, what would you say? Older Gen Z to young millennials. Our age. I'd say 25 to 35. Millennials.

Okay. Women of our own kind. Nice to see you. Hey. Okay. So I am a big fan of what Mari just did and what I just did. Micronadling with PRP. That is going to be one of the hottest treatments for the next five to 10 years. Utilizing your own healing and growth

factors to stimulate collagen. Incredible. You can take it a step further which i always do so you can actually get your prp drawn from your arm you know the blood spun prp platelet rich factors or platelet rich plasma then they turn it into prfm which makes it thicker so then they inject the PRFM into your under eyes. Oh my God. I did this five years ago. I used to get under eye filler. I have not had anything injected in my under eyes in five years. They look better than they did when I got filler. Wow. It just plumps them. If you have any hollowing and all my mamas out there, no. Your baby leeches such a high percentage of your physical collagen that it takes two years to even remotely replenish it. So if you look hollow, sunken, tired, this would be an incredible, completely non-toxic procedure that would just make you

chef's kiss feel amazing. Okay. I love that. I had under eye filler once and it was a huge mistake. I think it's something about my face. I got it done and my eyes were half the size. Like it looked like when I smiled, my eyes disappeared and it just was not a good look on me. So I would never do under eye filler again, but I would definitely consider that. No one should ever do under eye filler again. Just do this. Also, isn't it kind of dangerous? Any kind of filler could be dangerous. You can occlude a vessel if they inject the filler into the wrong spot. So sure. I don't think under eye filler is as dangerous as nose filler. That's where you can really blind yourself. Why? It's just the vasculature around your nose. It can be really dangerous to inject filler. Only cannula.

What do you think of the fact that filler, or do you think it's factual that filler drifts? Yes, it is factual. It can drift and it's not abnormal, but it's easy to get dissolved. So if you feel like your filler has drifted, you can just go into your injector and get it dissolved. And any good injector will take a look at you.

And if there's migrating filler, they'll tell you to dissolve it, whether it's lips or eyes, anything. So PRFM, totally. Then I have done Morpheus 8. I do really like it. I will say I kind of am weary about it with women in our age bracket because it melts fat. And it's all based on your practitioner. So they can select levels of how deep the frequency goes. And if you have a really good practitioner, they can give you a really great treatment. If you have a bad practitioner, they can give you a bad treatment. That is the same when it comes to filler, Botox, anything.

But I think doing, spend your money on the microneedling with PRP, PRFM if you have under eye issues. And a lot of people hate threads. I love threads. Give us the tea on threads. First of all, you have to find the best person ever. You told me to find a plastic facial surgeon.

A facial plastic surgeon. Okay. This is no joke, Mari. They go into deep tissue planes like they're cutting with a scalpel, shoving a huge bore cannula into your deepest tissues of your face with a barbed hook wire. This is medieval. And then suturing it, it's medieval. And it feels like someone is just railroading your face. It's not painful. Really? Well, my doctor, the facial plastic surgeon who I used to work for, completely numbed me to the point where I looked like Quasimodo.

Like think dental block gone wrong. Like think. But you think what? I have to show you the video. That only lasts for like four hours. Okay. And how long have you had threads? I've had, this is my third time getting threads and they last for like two years. So six years I've been doing threads. I've seen it before and after of your face. And I'm not sure if it was from Morpheus or from threads, but I feel like. It was from morpheus or from threads but i feel like morpheus probably it was such a crazy difference like i want to show it yeah to the power girls because it really is quite yeah it made me want to do whatever you were doing totally and the before and afters are really good i just worry about it melting that baby fat in your face that you do want to keep right that's my one and the point of threads is to kind of tighten,

right? And snatch. Lift tissue. So in the mid face, like for me, I always sleep on my right side. And please everyone sleep on your back. Oh, it's like one of the things I wish I would have known when I was a teenager and in my 20s is one side of my face is just so much lower. I can't sleep on my back. I always like, you know. There's a pillow I'll send you. Oh. There's a pillow to help you. You're kidding. Okay. It'll work. For me, it's my left side. And that's our side that looks sunken and the eyebrows lower and everything. So I started getting threads just on one side to lift it. And the thing that I didn't realize is that it also builds collagen from the trauma of the thread. So my cheekbones look better, look higher, look more lifted even after the threads

are dissolved. I used to get filler on my cheeks and now I don't have to because the threads built collagen. Yeah, you have the best cheekbones ever. I really want to do threads at some point. You told me to wait a little bit. I would just wait till you're noticing a little bit of laxity. Okay. And whenever you want, like I'm the kind of person if I want to do something, I'm not going to listen to anyone's opinion about when I should do it. I'll be like, mama's going to get threads. I'm the same way. Yeah. My new hyper fixation is lip blushing that I want to get. I can't wait for you to get it. Because once you get it, then I'll probably get it.

Yeah. I think we like have the right, we're fair. So I feel like it would be really good. But I want to go to the right person. And that's another thing. Having lip blushing to define your lip shade and lip lines versus overfilling would be such a natural, beautiful thing for younger women to do. Because like, look at Kylie. Look at Kylie five years ago. How old is she? No one, I mean, we know,

but is she 37 or is she 27? I know. Because she just looks fake. Yeah. And that's like, my husband keeps it really real with me. And I appreciate him for that. He's like, no more Botox or because it takes away from the beauty of your appearance. If you start to look fake. A hundred percent. And I think the lip filler is getting popular. I mean, the boob jobs are skyrocketing because of the Alex Earls, the lip filler. And also love her, by the way. I think she was very positive about her boob job. I don't think her influence is so much bigger than she probably can even comprehend. So just the fact that she even got a boob job

is having an impact on younger women. And the lip filler, everyone's super open about it right now, which is also good. But I think the girls are getting younger and younger and younger. Yeah. It's just, I don't know. I think a natural, beautiful face has such more of an impact than a big lip and a big boob. Yep. You know, highlight your own, highlight your strengths. Like you do you. And Alex Earl is doing her her but i don't want any young person to feel pressure to get big fake lips and big fake boobs because they they're seeing a lot of it okay last question on procedures what do you think of sculpture love it oh love i was talking about it at my appointment i have

sculptra what love sculptra a little bit in my jawline. Have I had it anywhere else? I mean, one of my very close friends and old colleagues does my injectables, Ali B. Beauty, if anyone needs an injector in LA. She's so incredible. She's like an artist and she doesn't really tell me. She's just like sizing up my face. And then she's like, okay, here, here, here. And it's like nothing happened, but everything happened. I want that. You have to go to her. She's real harsh though. She'll be like, we're dissolving your lips today. They look fake. And we're like, okay. You always leave looking better, but we love her honesty. But Sculptra is really cool. So it was developed for AIDS patients to build structure back to their faces when they had lost a lot of bone density

tissue structure. So it's a calcium bond. It's a free calcium bond. So what happens is you inject the sculpture and it's very thin and then your body builds collagen or builds calcium to those bonds. So your body naturally comes in with calcium and then you have it in your face for a longer amount of time than filler. So it lasts longer, it can look a lot more natural and it builds structure, chin, jawline, cheekbones, and it's really, really chef's kiss. And it is even more non-toxic and natural than any other kind of filler. That's what I like about the sound of it. Okay, cool. I'm going to look into that. Yes. Let's hop into a different topic. Let's do it. I want to hear about motherhood, fertility. You have a baby girl. I do. How old is Odie now? She is a year and nine months. She's a beautiful baby. Thank you. We love Odette. She's the best. Did you always know

that you wanted to be a mom i think being an only child i didn't have a lot of exposure to little kids and all my cousins are older besides one cousin on my mom's side so i was just you know a selfish little only child gemini just twirling around thinking the world revolved around me. And that's, you know, I don't know if you can relate. Still to this day. Still doing it. Working against it every day. Trying not to do that. Still in delusion land. Legit me, my whole life. The world is burning and I'm like, hot da da da da. But then when I graduated from nursing school, it was a horrible nursing market.

And I couldn't get a job for a few months. And I was like, hearing about all these nanny gigs, I was like, I could do that. I'm a nurse. People are going to want to hire me because I know things. Someone hired me. Don't know why. Because I had no experience with kids, but they're like, she'll be fine. So I nannied this little boy.

His name was Gus. And I started nannying him at four months old. And he was my son. Oh, I didn't know this. He was my boy. I was that awful nanny who pretended to be his mom out in public. This is mine. He was a blonde-haired, blue eyed, beautiful little boy.

We looked identical and he was my son. Stop. So you kind of had a boy mom moment. Totally. Totally. And I fell in love with it. So I worked two 10 hour days a week and I was like, damn, this is really, really hard. Like really a challenge.

But I knew through that experience that I wanted to be a mom someday. Yeah. So I was just like, of course. And I really think that if I didn't have children when I got to my 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, I mean, my grandma who I'm so close to who passed a few years ago was 102 when she died. Wow. And seeing our family revere, love, respect. I mean, she was everything to us and we were all she had. I mean, you're 102, everyone you know is dead, obviously. Obviously, she would always say. But just seeing that legacy was so cool and I'm like, I want my life to look like this. So I knew I wanted to be a mama. I know many of us have goals to start cooking at home more in the new year. And I feel like this is a perfect time to refresh your kitchen and get some new pans.

You guys know I love caraway. There are so many different collections to explore. I have the sage green collection. That's what I used to bake with. I am getting the brand new stainless steel cookware for our new house in Austin. I'm so excited. Stainless steel is our absolute favorite. And I love the fact that caraway is non-toxic. They're made without PFAs, PTFEs, PFOAs, or any other hard to pronounce chemicals. It's easy to cook

with a slick surface and easy to clean. And it's well loved with over 65,000 people who have rated it five stars. And I just love the fact that this is such a cute way of jazzing up your kitchen. It really can fit your aesthetic and just make the kitchen look this is such a cute way of jazzing up your kitchen it really can fit your aesthetic and just make the kitchen look so much cuter and I always find I'm way more likely to cook at home when I feel like I have an aesthetic looking cookware set I'm absolutely obsessed with caraway and I also think it's the best gift I got for a whole set for Christmas and I'm really encouraging my friends and family to start cooking with non-toxic cookware. It's such an important part of the health journey and a huge thing I did for clearing my

skin. Visit carawayhome.com slash pow to take advantage of this limited time offer for 10% off your next purchase. This deal is exclusive for our listeners so visit carawayhome.com slash pow or use code pow at checkout. Carawayaway non-toxic cookware made modern tell us about your fertility journey was it easy to get pregnant did you struggle we're talking a lot about fertility on pow right now because the girls know i'm in my baby making era yeah i've been a little bit too candid about it, to be honest. I'm like telling them what Greg's doing with his balls and everything. They loved it. So I'm gonna keep going. But how was it for you? Oh, man, it was rough, Mari. It was really rough. And even when you were open with me about like

wanting to start to try, I was like, try to realize it could take time and don't be upset. I mean, of course, you're allowed to have your feels, but just know that it can take time and that's okay. And that all of these things have to come together in order for a baby to be born. So it's like, it's heavy and it's big. And as women, I think we put so much pressure on ourselves and we've talked about this, that if something isn't working and you're trying in

month one, two, three, four, and you're not pregnant, you feel like the weight of the world is on your shoulders and that you've done something wrong. You gave me really good advice. And I think when I got into it, I didn't anticipate how much it consumes your mind I have legit been trying for one month and I'm already upset that I'm not pregnant and that that doesn't make sense and I know that and I know that it has to be so perfect to come to fruition but still like I guess I notice now all the pregnant women around me, everyone having babies. I was at dinner last night and I see out of the corner of my eye, a girl telling her friends that she's pregnant. And I was like, wow. And I was so happy for her.

But it's like, it is crazy how emotional it is truly. So how long did it take for you and Nate? So when Nate and I got married, I was 29. We had been together since I was 26. So we had had some time together and my husband's six years older. Plus Nate is, he's the best. He's a baby whisperer. He's big dad vibes. He's dad vibes. Even when he was single, he would be the weirdo at a barbecue trying to hold someone's baby. He was? Yes. He's always loved babies. So he was ready yesterday.

He was down to be a dad the minute we got married. And so I stopped taking my birth control. I had been on birth control since I was 17. So that was 12 years of birth control. I had been on birth control since I was 17. So that was 12 years of birth control. I think everyone listening can relate me as well. It's crazy how long we're on this medication. Without being educated about the potential issues with coming off of birth control, having a cycle that may have never been completely regulated because so many women, myself included, start taking birth control as teens for acne, which is why I started taking it at 17.

So I got off birth control. It took over two years for me to get a normal cycle again. And I was devastated. I mean, everything worked out in the right timing, but for someone who is a newlywed and their husband wants to be a dad, I mean, he was so supportive, but I was a mess. It was so emotional for me. And I was so fearful that I would be the reason we couldn't have children. I think that pressure is so real for me. And I was so fearful that I would be the reason we couldn't have children. I think that pressure is so real for so many women. And if anyone is going through that right now, and I know so many of the people listening are going through that, just know that my heart goes out to you. And I just feel for you.

And I'm sending you so much love because it feels like you're the biggest failure. And it's so unfair that we put that pressure on ourselves, but it's so real. And I think it's nice to hear from you at this stage in your life when you do have a baby girl and you're living it out, like it will happen. I think the patience part is key. Do you have advice for people who want to get their cycle back? Like, what did you do? Stop taking birth control, first of all, which we know. For me, I, it's so interesting because now my advice would be different than what I did because now that we're working with Emily, because I'm still having issues with my period and it's just now regulating

birth control for so many years, then getting off of it, having amenorrhea for two years, which is lack of period, going to an OBGYN and they put me on a stimulating medication. Now I forget exactly what it was, but it was supposed to help regulate my hormones. Didn't do anything. Wasn't helpful. No regular period. I started going to a traditional Chinese medicine doctor and acupuncturist. Herbs, weekly acupuncturist, herbs, weekly acupuncture, and that worked. Okay. I got my cycle pack. I heard a lot of people say that. And then started tracking with Natural Cycles, which I know you use. I do. I think I'm going to work with them because I'm just so obsessed with the app. It's incredible. It's incredible. If you're trying to prevent pregnancy or if you're trying to get pregnant. I knew nothing

about my cycle until I had that app, truly. And that's the thing. Now being a mom, I'm going to teach Odie as soon as she starts her period exactly what fertile days, non-fertile days, knowing her basal body temp through an app, being able to track her cycle because we can only get pregnant for three, maybe five days out of a 28-day cycle. That's insane. Why are we taking birth control? Also, we need to be wrapping it up. I hate to say it, but the amount of women I know who have gotten herpes in their 30s is not okay. Wow.

And everyone has HPV and we're all like putting ourselves at risk. So we got to wrap it up. Wrap it up. Wrap it up. Get tested or wrap it up. And then know our days because birth control is ruining so many lives. Like my own included. But also me included. Like I lost my period for over a year. And at first my reaction was, this this is great I don't have to deal with it right and then a few months in I was like hold on I'm 29 and I want to have a child what does this mean and I went to an acupuncturist as well I did a few things that I think contributed I also started taking supplements I was on and this was before I met Emily I was on DIM, Vitex which some of those can work they're a little bit surface level in my opinion they're not really root cause now that I work with Emily

so closely I feel like my cycle has gotten more and more regular my hormones are perfect I'm on progesterone which I told you about that's my biggest thing I'm not a registered nurse or qualified to say this but apparently progesterone is a really important hormone when it comes to keeping your baby if you get pregnant. So I'm really happy I'm taking that. And I knew I was super low because I don't think I would have been able to maintain a pregnancy, you know? Of course. And when I got my period back, we got pregnant the first month of trying. You did? And I miscarried the baby six weeks after. So it was pretty much just past the chemical pregnancy, which is where they say

there's no heartbeat yet. So very early miscarriage, which I was actually in my analytical nurse brain like, oh my God, I can get pregnant. So the anxiety of the past two years was lifted, but I probably had such an imbalance still happening in my body. Who knows why that happened? But like you're saying, knowing your hormone levels, knowing where your progesterone is before you get pregnant, that is something I would recommend to any woman who's interested in getting pregnant in the next year or two years. Yeah. Because going through the heartache of losing a pregnancy when you've wanted it for so long is worse than waiting to be pregnant. Yeah. It's really challenging.

And so many women go through it. But I'm learning more and more about, you know, my gut health, how leaky gut that I have impacts my hormones. We think about this, Mari, it's like, we just want to get pregnant, right? Where are we baseline before we get pregnant? If we're not at our healthiest, pregnancy knocks you on your ass. Postpartum knocks you deeper into a hole in the ground. If you're not at a good place physically or emotionally, it is going to be very, very challenging for you to have a positive experience. Love that you're saying that because I feel like I get a lot of questions. What are you doing for fertility? And my number one answer is I'm just taking care of myself and balancing my body out

and trying to recover from the hormone imbalance that I was having. That's the best thing you could do. 100%. Truly. And I was talking to Celeste about this prior. I'm not sure if you guys have seen JC Marie Smith's story. She has a podcast called What We Said. And her and her husband had been trying to have a baby for four plus years. And she went through IVF and her first embryo transfer failed and they were devastated and I was watching along the journey because I'm very interested in this and the level of detail that they were monitoring her progesterone FSH levels there's so much that goes into it and if you can try to educate yourself on your end

I think it would be so helpful if for anyone listening who's trying to have a baby. 100%. How do you balance it all? Because you have a baby, a career, a husband, you also are in shape and taking care of yourself. Like, how do you do it all? Well, I don't think any mom will say they feel balanced, but I will say really sitting down with yourself and getting clear on what you want your life to look like and what is the most important thing to you in your life is such a huge part because you have to get rid of a lot of excess things. You have to cut way back because you don't have time to do half of the

things you used to do. So for me, and this is where things might get emotional, growing up in a home that wasn't necessarily calm, peaceful, happy very often, I have plenty of great memories and I give my mom so much credit for being a single parent and raising me. But I think my greatest goal in life is to have a happy family life, to have a happy, beautiful home with laughter and love and a sense of security for my children, having parents that love each other and that are there for them. And so that's my goal. So everything I do needs to help facilitate that. Because if I'm trying to go to every event and be everywhere and work with every brand and give myself to 85 friends who don't really give a shit. That's all taking away from my goal. So you have to be really cutthroat. And it's not a bad thing. It's just like cutthroat with your boundaries

and really, really intentional about what you're doing. You know, I'm not going to cry. We talk about this a lot because Celeste and I have similar upbringings and experiences. And I feel like I have a similar goal. And it's a huge part of when I envision having a child it's something I envision too and watching you do it with Odie is so special every time I've been to your house or I just see you with her in the environment you've created I think it's so admirable and I can tell just through your actions and the way you live life like she is your priority and I think that's so freaking cool and you manage to do things for yourself as well but I can tell the boundaries that you set are so intentional and that's the thing that you've told me is such a great part about having a kid is like you become so clear on what actually matters and it kind of trims the fat of your life, you know?

So that and then I will say, single parents out there, people without support, people who don't have help. I give them so much credit and I can't even imagine what that's like, honestly, because my husband is an equal partner. He is a 50-50 partner and I know that it's not always the case. And anything with motherhood is so touchy. So I'm just sharing my experience. And if anyone feels triggered or upset by that, just know I'm only sending you love because if you're struggling right now, it's because you need help and support. And I hope that people provide that for you or that you can get that because you deserve that. But as women, we cannot do it all. We cannot be everything and everywhere. And if we try to do that, we are going to be in the depths of anxiety and depression, fatigue, burnout, all the things

because social media makers that seem like you can have a company that's thriving and have three kids and look hot doing it and be doing all of your meditation practices and still having time for friends and family. That's not realistic unless you have support. You are really good about sharing that because from an exterior, it does look like you have it all together and you're doing it all at once. But I know last week you were really struggling with Odie and the daycare process. And that was really hard for you. Yes. And then traveling with her. Like, I know it kind of is just a give and take every day. Like,

where can I put my energy? And I think you're killing it. Thank you so much. Thank you. I'd love to do a little fan Q&A. Yeah. The girls have questions. Let's do it. So let's kind of rapid fire. Okay.

Your favorite non-pore clogging makeup brands? RMS. I love Tower 28. And all of these brands as an umbrella it's like there might be pork logging ingredients in some of the products so we have to just caveat that honest beauty okay legit they have the best eyeshadow palette and mascara ever love this person said I don't have acne but my skin doesn't glow. How can I get that smooth shine? Hydration, hydration, hydration.

Get a mist, multiple serums, use a non-pore clogging oil to seal it all in. But it's the layers of hydration that do it. Layers, baby. Layers. You once mentioned that you did breathwork with Celeste. What was that like for her and how often does she do it? Oh, the open breath work. Yeah, that was an experience for me, guys. Celeste encouraged me. Well, it was your birthday. Yes. And that's what you wanted to do. And I was like, okay, it's a birthday. Guilt and Laurie.

Literally, because I don't think I would have said yes otherwise. But it was your birthday. I have to go. Yes. So LA. Cried six times. Like it was life changing for me. Breathwork was always the thing that I resisted the most. And it's because I needed to do it the most. Open breathwork is like ayahuasca therapy, spirit guides coming in all at once. Incredible. If you're in LA, highly recommend. Great for the new year.

Thank you for making me do that. My God. And I've seen, saw you use the app too. I do. I'm working with them. I love them. I love them too. I use the app every day. Nothing gets me to a state of calm faster than breath. Five minutes, 10 minutes, you're there. Yeah. If you're not in LA and you want to do breath work or meditation, open app is amazing. Yes.

I like how you call it downloads too celeste told me you're gonna have so many downloads when you do the breath work and i did yes you get clear you get super clear um okay best daily sunscreen for oil oily skin i love the clear stem sunscreen i just did a dupe on it hello sunshine yes spf 50 we need 50. How to make the most out of female friendships and grow together? This is so beautiful. I really think it's a relationship. And I would say quality versus quantity is my number one tip. Find those people that treat you the way you deserve to be treated

and who you're inspired to treat them like the queens they are. If there's any trigger, jealousy, or you feel like maybe your friend wouldn't treat you in the same kind, compassionate way, really, really think about why they're in your life and it might not be the best fit. So I love you so much because I feel like we match each other so well and our care and compassion for one another we only want the best for one another and we fill each other up we fill up the cup 100% that's what you want I say that to Greg about you all the time and I feel like the older I get the smaller my friendship group gets but the better it gets you know if you have one or two

that's great 100% it's all you need if you become a mom you need like three friends you don't have time any more than that it's like my schedule's full babe sorry not looking uh okay quick and easy tips for men's skincare buy them the products put it on the counter legit set them out for them i would say cleanser. And then if you can do like a moisturizer, SPF combination, that'd be great. ClearStem has a men's kit. Do they really? By the kit.

Yes. Smart. Yeah. Okay. I love that. That question was from Drake, by the way. I love him. Tips for postpartum.

Where to start? That's really challenging. Therapy. Start going to therapy. 100%. I started going to therapy in pregnancy. You need to talk about this transition. It is a rebirth. You're completely different human. I think if you can get the mentals right, then after that, it's nutrition, it's nourishing foods, it's bone broth, it's really high protein, grass fed as much as possible. The mentals are number one. Therapy and protein. How did you two meet? Oh, Nate and I have a good story. I'll try to make it quick. We met, well, we saw each other for the first time at a dive bar in Los Feliz. And my husband's 6'6".

And I would always search the perimeter of any bar, right? Like looking up. Oh, and just for context, Celeste and I are 5'10", 5'11". Yeah, 5'10", 5'10 and a half. We're the same, pretty much height. And so we're tall girls. And when you're dating and you're a tall girl, first you scan up and you're like, okay, is there anyone here? And then you're like, no.

Nevermind going home. And so I saw him and I was like, ooh, like tall drink of water, dressed in a suit with some cool glasses. I was like, damn, okay, I'm going to like hang out at this bar and wait for him to come talk to me so we were making eye contact he never did oh my friends and I were going to a party so we left the bar and I was like okay this is a total misconnection but whatever we matched on tinder three days later and he was like the hot guy from the bar so then we went on a date he ghosted me for three months and then we got back together he ghosted you he ghosted me yeah made i know he was like uh you're not quite age appropriate and i don't think you're interested and i started seeing someone else but it all worked so you should be sponsored by tinder basically pretty much oh my god i didn't know that's how old i am tinder

yeah what do they use now hinge i don't even know i never was on the apps really i've been with greg for so long i don't even know what's going on in there yeah it was a wild world the apps yeah thank god we're not in there anymore best facial to ask for if you have acne prone skin i think the best facial is to call up your local clean beauty store and ask if there's anywhere they know that uses non-toxic products and go to a place that uses really good non-toxic products ask for a non-poor clogging or acne facial but there's not really like one brand or one name it's really hard someone actually needs to do like a dry bar situation for really good facials because it's so hit or miss.

It's so hit or miss. And something I learned also is if you have really acne prone skin, don't just go to like a regular facial place that everyone recommends. Like I know people love Hay Day. I personally just can't go to a normal place. Like it has to be an acne specialist.

That's probably a better tip. They don't always know how to deal with your skin. Yeah. And I've had crazy things there and I just end up breaking out. Or you get extracted to the point where you're scarred. Like that happened to me when I was struggling with my acne. People literally would pop things to the point where it was like disrepair. Yeah, same.

I've looked like I've got in a fight before leaving. Right. And that's just going to cause more irritation. And just self-confidence out the window even more. Also working with people who don't talk down to you. I know that sounds weird, but I've been to a fair amount of estheticians who make comments and make you just feel awful about yourself. Like you're dirty. Yeah. Yeah. I've had that as well. Like reactions like, oh, wow. It's really bad today. You're like, girl, I'm like already

upset. Really upset. Yeah. So yeah, just be cautious of that. Now it's time for the question we ask every guest. I believe everyone's pursuit of wellness looks different. What does wellness mean to you? It's tuning in to your intuition to find out really what you need mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and being dedicated to get yourself there. Sleigh. Big sleigh. Celeste, where can everyone find you online? Where's your website? Plug it up. Celeste Thomas on Instagram. I am back on my TikTok grind, Mari. I know. I filmed one with you earlier. I know. I'm impressed. Stay tuned for the TikTok of me and Mari. That's Celeste Thomas RN. And those are the two places that I hang out the most. And DM me if you need

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