Python Bytes - #450 At-Cost Agentic IDE Tooling

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Starting point is 00:01:23 hope that you would also be gentle to pandas and other zoo animals. So this, I'm going to talk about PD call, which is columns in Pandas. These are not here yet. So these PD call expressions are coming to Pandas in the next version. I think the next version. Well, more about that later. Anyway, this comes to us from Marco Gorelli. He wrote the article.

Starting point is 00:01:46 And what he's talking about is a new call expression within Pandas and with PD data frames. So taking a look at, he also linked to. to the merge request. So let's take a look at that. There's an enhancement introduced pandas.com. That went in and was merged on August 22nd. So why I'm saying it's coming in the next version. So it came in on August 22nd.

Starting point is 00:02:13 The most recent version of Pandas looks like it was released on August 21st. So it's not there now. So whatever the next one is, maybe 233, maybe 24. I don't know if they're going to what they're going to bump. But it'll be there soon. So what are these things? So in the past, there's, there's pandas, but then there's other things that pandas has inspired, like blanking on all the names, but there's a bunch of other type pandas like things that do similar stuff. So they have a set, they have the call syntax already.

Starting point is 00:02:46 So that's just coming back into pandas. So what is this? So when you want to talk about pandas columns, in the past, a lot of times you had to come up with these, use these Lambda expression. So like Lambda X for X temp, specifying a column. So you kind of select it with a Lambda expression because you want the expression to happen not outside of the data frame, but in the context of the data frame. So it's, you know, there's some trickiness in doing that. So really that's what's going on.

Starting point is 00:03:19 And the article we're going to link to talks about using lambdas and then kind of times where that doesn't work right. There's some flakiness that happens with lambdas, doesn't always do what you might think. And then introduces using columns instead, so the syntax of using, instead of the Lambda, just doing PD.com, and passing in a column name. It's really all I wanted to talk about was really, this is pretty cool. And I'm looking forward to being able to use this column. There are new things coming also along these lines. So some of the other things that some of the other tools use is things like PD all to select multiple columns.

Starting point is 00:04:05 That's not in this one yet. But there is more, there's other multiple expressions and PD all selectors and other things that are, they want to bring into Pandas. But this is a good starting point. This is great. I love it. I love to see it getting better. You know, Pandas is definitely the primary way people do. do data frames and there's some young whippersnappers nipping at the heels like Polars and

Starting point is 00:04:31 others. So great to see some of these ideas being brought back. Yeah. Absolutely. Now, let's talk about whippersnappers for sure, the young vibe coder type. No, I want to talk about agentic code, not just, certainly not just for vibe coding. So I actually have been doing a lot of cursor lately and I really like it. I think it's, I'll at some point have more to say, but I think it's pretty stunning what you can do these days with agentic AI coding. I talked to Matt McKay a few weeks ago on Talk Python about. He was using collod code NeoVM, but these agentic tool using coding AIs are just unbelievable, what they can do. They all have their own little variation, which is kind of funky. You know, cursors like a VS code fork, but then Microsoft said, hey, maybe we shouldn't

Starting point is 00:05:15 just let everybody just take our stuff and redo our business model against us, which is absolutely fair. So they cancel a bunch of stuff. So it's not quite VS code, but it's kind of VS code. There's Claude Code, which is terminal base. But what I want to mention today is something called Klein. And I think the idea of it, if you're at all inclined to care about the AI coding thing. Inclined. Incline? Pretty good. If you're at all inclined to care about the inline coding thing, then Klein should be pretty interesting to you. Why is that? First of all, it works in pretty much all the places that you would care about. It works in VS code, Viscode Insiders, cursors,

Starting point is 00:05:53 which is interesting, like this and OpenAI's codecs both install into cursor, which is a separate product with its own AI coding thing, but it's like just use a different pain if you don't like it or you run out of credits or whatever, you know? But it also installs, and this is one of the main reasons I'm bringing this up, is JetBrains IDEs, in particular, Pai Charm, but many others as well.

Starting point is 00:06:14 Okay? So if you want to bring whatever model you want to PiCharm or to VS code or whatever, then you can do that. The other thing is places like cursor charge a percentage on top of inference. So if you pay, let's say you do $10 worth of work, that would basically be what Clod or the OpenAI API charges cursor. They're like, all right, well, $12 is what you pay, right? With Klein, this is open source. You can see $51,000 GitHub stars. So it's open source and it doesn't charge for inference.

Starting point is 00:06:49 What it does is you can either give them a credit and they'll pay it along to whoever you pick in your drop down. Or you could just put in an anthropic API key or an open AI API key and then that's your model. And they're not involved in that transaction, which I think is pretty interesting. The other thing that's kind of cool is they have a very distinct plan versus act mode. You can see in the screenshot of the bottom it has a plan and an act. And one of the things you can do to be way more successful on complicated AI jobs is to say, please plan this out, write it down in a markdown file, and then come back and say, now you can act.

Starting point is 00:07:25 Let's do step one and work through that. Now let's do step two. It'll keep the context smaller. It'll keep the thing a little more focused and so on. So that's pretty nice. Yeah. You can do that with other ones in the prompt, but it doesn't always behave. You say, let's plan this out.

Starting point is 00:07:40 It's okay, we plan it out. Now I'm doing it like, no, no, no. I just told you to plan it out, right? The other thing, if you look at the UI on the Klein home page, it actually has a price that updates as it's working. Like how much is this costing you? It goes zero cents, three cents, five cents. Not when it's done working, but as it's working,

Starting point is 00:08:00 the dollars are like click, click, click, click, click, click, which is really a lot of other tools. It's very like, I have no idea what this costs. Oh, no, I'm out of credits or I spend a bunch of money, but this one you can just watch. So that's cool. So yeah, it's, I like it a lot. It's got open source for sure, so complete transparency that they're not profiting on inference, universal model access.

Starting point is 00:08:21 So if Open AI or Anthropic come out with a brand new model, it'll show up right away because you're just passing through to their API, right? Yeah. And it says client site architecture means your code never touches our servers, essentially essential for security, mandatory for any enterprises and insurers data solidetry. I played with this a little bit in Picharm, and it's quite nice. I think I will still be using cursor, but I'm keeping my eye on this because I think this is pretty neat. Cool. Yeah. Anyway, believe it or not, AI is still not disappeared as a fad.

Starting point is 00:08:52 Yeah. It may still, but probably not. All right. Over to you. Okay. I was just going to talk about UV a little bit. Are you going to cheat? You're not going to cheat, are you?

Starting point is 00:09:04 Yeah, yeah, I am. This is thanks to Rodrigo at Maths. Maths, PP, math, SPP, I'm not sure. Anyway, he's got a great blog about software and Python and stuff. So UV cheat sheet, I really kind of, I mean, UV at first was, oh, great, can you use it instead of like PIP? And now it does a lot of stuff. So what all does it do?

Starting point is 00:09:31 It's a lot. Now the documentation over for UV is pretty good already, but I kind of like this. So what does he's got? He's got like just all of the, commands that you probably want to remember around creating projects like all the annits and how to how to do a net stuff like if you're going to do an app or a library and i kind of forgot that they added this these app and lib flags that's pretty cool i did too and i made a lib

Starting point is 00:09:56 and i forgot and ran it in an app mode and i'm like darn it i messed it up but yeah it's really great um and then uh project management dependencies uh of course being able to um you know modify your pipe project automo and stuff using uvad and uv lock and um i guess i didn't notice also there's a uv tree that's neat didn't know that was there um or forgot about it uh a life cycle management uh what does that mean uh things like uh build publish version up bumping the version and i haven't played with these either all the different ways you can bump a project version that's pretty cool i'll have to play with those um things like um managing tools like um all the tools like uv tool run UV tool install these are these were UVX kind of isn't UVX and UV tool the same thing I think yeah no

Starting point is 00:10:46 almost UVX will run a tool but then it's like ephemeral it doesn't last or you view tool you install it so you might say UV tool install I don't know pie test and then you permanently have pie test as a thing that you can run but if you just say UVX pie test it'll download run pie test and then it will it'll kind of disappear from your system that you know what I mean oh yeah okay but they're similar but not exactly the same oh here it is right here UVX is an alias for UV tool run there you go nice yeah it's the UV tool run but not UV tool install and then run the tool yeah that's what it is uh working with scripts um UV and it and run for for scripts and I haven't done this uh I guess initialize the script and run it things like that neat um even oh wow I didn't

Starting point is 00:11:36 you can do this you can add and remove dependencies within a script oh that's pretty neat yeah and think it writes the little header the pep compliant header at the top for you that's cool yeah i totally okay i'm learning a lot just uh i thought it was just a cheat sheet for me but i'm learning a lot so this is great um and then of course um uh if you control which pip which python versions are installed on your computer using uv um cheat sheet on on that list install on install things like that So nice. I've been using, I didn't think I would. I really didn't think I would be switching to something else to install Python.

Starting point is 00:12:15 But yeah, I'm especially trying to keep up on new versions with 3.14 and stuff. Definitely using UV for that. And then a handful of old time stuff like actually old timers like UVVVV and UVP. That's where we started. And then you, I love it. UV format to run rough update. This is one of the things that I always forget about. Well, I remember that it's there, but I forget to do sometimes, is if I'm on a different machine that I know that has UV, but I haven't updated it for a while and I try something new, something new version of Python and it doesn't see it.

Starting point is 00:12:53 What's going on? If things don't work, try a UV self-update and work. So good cheat sheet. Who said cheating will never get you anywhere? We learn stuff here. Yeah. I'm dead. Well, speaking of sneaky things, I want to talk about Ducky. So Ducky is an open source all-on-one desktop app built in Python. It's designed as the perfect companion for network engineers, students, tech enthusiasts, and others. And it combines a bunch of essential networking tools for you. Okay, so I have a thing itself and then a bit of a stealth take on this, okay? So it has a UI down here, and it does a bunch of different things. You can say, I would like to, It actually has a nice SSH client that you can use to connect the things.

Starting point is 00:13:38 It does telnet. Oh man, bringing back the mud days. Serial communication, all different things. So if you look at some of the tools, it's got a terminal, kind of like we talked about, but also network queries, subnet calculators, port scanners, topology mappers, like how is my whole enterprise network put together? And here's the sneaky bits vulnerability scanner, password checker, hash calculator, and so on. So a lot of cool things you can do in this UI.

Starting point is 00:14:06 It's Windows only. So I think that's turnabout as fair play a little bit, Brian, because we talk a lot about Mac tools on here. And I'm going to talk about MacOS specifically before the show is over. So we don't usually cover some Windows-only tooling. But here we are. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:22 So pretty good. I think this is kind of the thing you might run in like a big company enterprise. You want to understand your network topology or search vulnerabilities and things like that. you just run it in a VM. Pretty neat. Like I said, open source. Yeah. So here's the sneaky, not the sneak, the stealth bonus. This is a pretty cool looking desktop app. I can go over and download it. Let me see. I can zoom back a little bit to get to the releases. It's pretty new, by the way. I can come over here and I can download this. And presumably inside there's going to be a .exe that I can run or whatever, right? Oh, no, it has to you install it this way. Interesting. It doesn't compile it. Oh, it does contain. and EXE. Yeah, okay, so it does contain AXE, or you can install, run it as an entry point script thing in the Pipe Project.tom.

Starting point is 00:15:10 Anyway, so here's part of the stealth thing, ducky.exe application, keep that in mind, as we compare it against an all-on-one desktop app built in Python. You don't see too many, like, fully compiled, built, executable desktop apps of any variety these days in Python. I know there are some, but not too many, so this is cool. Yeah, actually, I don't even remember the last desktop app I installed at all.

Starting point is 00:15:32 we live in a weird world we do yeah yeah anyway that's it that's a that's a duckie i think it's it's super new not super popular but i think you know a little shining light on something cool nice cool mm-hmm all right is that it for our our things over to the extras i just i just i normally on extras i we will share something extra that i want to you know point out and share with people but this time i guess i'll share one article but i mostly it's a question i'm i'm curious what everyone is using for um so i've got i've got a my blog is a static site hugo and i'm currently on netlify but i'm like should i be on netlify and i uh i ran across this article from will vincent this is moving from netlify to cloud flare pages and um but that was published in february of last year of

Starting point is 00:16:28 2024. So curious if it's still valid and that totally doesn't look like Will from what I remember Will looking like. But that's a cool picture anyway. Anyway, so he's got an article on converting and so I might consider cloud player. But why I'm bringing this up is because Netlify changes their plans a little bit recently. And right now, now if you've already, you've already there, your grandfathered in to whatever you had before. But if you want to change around, they're doing this credit thing so um so the free plan like if i was going to recommend somebody new to blogging uh any of these would probably be fine because there's no traffic yet but as traffic grows and traffic grows weird now because of AI bots and everything even if there's not that

Starting point is 00:17:14 many people reading your site there might be a ton of bots reading it so um that 30 300 credits turns into like 30 gigabytes per month which you know you can you can hit that not too hard um If you have a big hero image or something like that. Yeah, probably, you know, probably do the images down. But it's stuff gets pulled a lot. Anyway, so there's that on Netlify. And if you, to go up, it's, you know, $9 or $20. None of this is expensive, but it adds up over the year.

Starting point is 00:17:46 So Netlify's here. I did look up. I knew people were, some people were using GitHub pages, but GitHub pages has a usage limit as well. And I didn't realize this. It says it's not intended or allowed to be used as a free web hosting service to run your online business, e-commerce site or other website that's primarily directed at either facility and commercial transactions, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, I've got ads on my site, so I was like, I don't think it would be bad. I think that'd be sort of not in line with the terms. But also there's 100 gigabyte soft bandwidth.

Starting point is 00:18:21 So that doesn't seem right. Cloudflip plagiar pages. um looks like they don't have a band i don't know how they don't but they don't have an bandwidth limit on the free plan uh which is interesting um and unlimited sites so i might check that out also um also not just because of the cost um even 20 bucks isn't something terrible but the i'm not thrilled with netlify's uh analytics that they present so um and i was just curious if anybody has any other ideas for for what um what you're hosting your static sites on let me know um but you've got static sites but i'm assuming you're self hosting those

Starting point is 00:19:00 yeah exactly i they were on netlify for a while and i note i had monitoring for all my different sites for downtime and i started i think i said this before but i noticed it they started having like weird one minute down times i'm like that's weird how can a static site reasonably have downtime but no it was quite a bit and so i'm like well how much work would it be to just put it on the same infrastructure that runs Python bytes and all the rest, right? Turns out not so much. If you can just get clone your Hugo site somewhere and you point EngineX at it with the right configuration,

Starting point is 00:19:32 you now, ta-da, have a, it's exactly the same as if it's hosted at one of these places. And then update, you just run a remote SSH, get pull command, and then boom, you've got, it's instantly updated. So if people want to know how to host Hugo or whatever in static sites, shoot me a message. I'm happy to help.

Starting point is 00:19:48 I don't necessarily recommend it to everyone because it's, you're now, have a server you've got to deal with, right? But if you already have a server and already have internet's doing all the stuff, it's trivial to just add a config to point out of a folder. Yeah. Yes, that's kind of why I was sort of

Starting point is 00:20:04 leaning towards like, you know, what's a hosted thing that's cheap, either free or cheap. And I hadn't, before I ran across Will's article, I hadn't heard of Cloudflare plate. I can't say that. Cloudflare pages. I hadn't either. But I wonder if there's others.

Starting point is 00:20:21 out there that I'm not even noticing so yeah yeah very cool love it all right I have a few extras okay of which ducky is not one so I apologize I can't remember the guy sent this in but python Brazil has sort of reached out and said hey we could use a little help with funding the PSF had a bunch of funding and grants for different things and there was like a huge spike and how much how many grants were requested, how many people asked for funding, and it burned through the available funds quicker than expected, I think, is the short version. There's been a bunch of written about it, and that's probably roughly right, you know? Anyway, they said, hey, we could use some help. We don't have as much funding as we expected. So give us a shout out. If you don't mind about Python Brazil

Starting point is 00:21:08 coming on 21st to 27th, I believe, in October. And if you go to check out and you actually pull up the Buy Me a ticket, like check out. up or modal dialog whatever it is in there there's a way to donate a ticket for a student to attend so you can just go there and say i would like to basically fund a student's attendance so anyway that's kind of cool check that out hopefully uh the conference goes well for them next up brian to atone for my sins i've mentioned in a windows only application i will speak of macOS so uh i don't know have you installed macOS tahoe or iOS 26 one of these new shiny liquid glass things No, they're doing it on the desktop also?

Starting point is 00:21:53 No, I have not. My daughter has updated her phone and has been cursing it since she's updated. That's funny. Yeah, so I updated my phone. I updated my work computers, but not my streaming computer because the UI stuff with like screen recording and all that kind of stuff. It can get a little weird. So I decided this, the one that you and I are talking on right now is going to stay stable for a little while. But the other ones, I upgrade it, I think it's delightful.

Starting point is 00:22:22 I know a lot of people who like hate change, and they're like, it's changed, and I don't like it. And that may be valid or not valid or whatever, but I think it's great. I've been enjoying it, so. So the clear isn't bothering you anymore yet? No, nothing is unreadable. I don't have it in, like, the full tinted mode. I just took the default, because it still has color. I hate that they, like, drew the color out of it, like a vampire suck the joy out of it or what?

Starting point is 00:22:46 So can you get colors back in your icons if you could get? get those back or they don't even change by default you have to go and select the super clear view if you want that oh okay it looks almost exactly the same it's just a little more okay it's a little more transparent like the the menu bar across the top um the background is transparent but depending on what your background looks like it's either fine or not fine i don't know but for mine it's fine so yeah it's okay anyway so i give a i know a lot of people are saying they hate it and i'm like i actually kind of i like it i don't mind usual that's great i'm glad that you're happy with your computer. Thanks. I mean, there's, there's things that I would like to have

Starting point is 00:23:23 transparent. Like, for instance, if I'm actually usually using a computer or phone, not while I'm moving, so I don't really need to see what's behind it. If we could have books be transparent, then I could walk around and read it and just read. That would be cool. I remember when the iPhone first came out, there was an app that was basically a messaging app. It wasn't I message. It was some other kind of messaging app, but literally the background was the camera view out the front, the back, what was it, the camera that looks away from you. And so you could hold it and like, you could read your messages and it would show you what you're walking towards. Like how messed up is that? Well, I think that's great. I mean, like actually, if you could do like a panorama

Starting point is 00:24:05 side view too, because I'm always weirded out with people crossing a crosswalk while while looking at their phone. And I'm like, there's cars and bikes and stuff. You're going to get hit, man. But I know, whatever. Kids these days. Speaking of software things, also, I'm 100% back to Vivaldi. I'm not using ZEN anymore. I'm embracing the Vivaldi lifestyle. Really?

Starting point is 00:24:28 Because this surprises me because Vivaldi's taking a stand against AI. I don't need my browser to do AI. I think I actually, you know, you're going to take a stand around at all. I hate the AI that is in almost every application. You know, my email client has a rewrite this email with AI. Gmail has a, would you like to like shorten this or tighten it with AI? And I almost always hate what it does. It almost always destroys the formatting or something.

Starting point is 00:24:55 I'm like, oh, I'm like, what is this? So I don't, I'm not a huge proponent of everything having AI in it, but going like, I'm going to go to chat GPT or I'm going to go to some AI coding thing. And now I'm using it as a choice. That is good. but just having it like jammed and like a really poor implementations everywhere, don't love it. Yeah, so they did make a big stand against AI, which is interesting. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:18 Okay. I have one more thing left. A quick follow-up here is the one thing that didn't work was Alt-Tab. Have I given a shout-out to Alt-Tab, Brian? Alt-Tab is awesome. One of the things that's really is a bummer about MacOS is you can Command tab instead of Alt-Tab, which seems like the same thing, but no, it's not. Because if you have, let's say, three browser windows or three.

Starting point is 00:25:40 editors and you want to go between editor window one and edit window three no there's not really a hot key for that right other than like switch to the app and then do like expose all windows and then use your mouse to you know it's like really janky so alt tab cycles through windows not apps which is really nice cycles so like if i if i'm already in vivaldi we got three windows up you can cycle through the yeah alt tab you just map it to alt tab and then alt tab will cycle between the different vivaldi windows and all the other windows. It's like Windows style, not MacStop. And it's open source and free is pretty nice.

Starting point is 00:26:15 Okay. Okay, before we hit our joke, I just want to, why will this not go? There we go. James C on the audience asked, what about GitHub pages as an option for your static site? You pointed out that there's some limitations you don't like, right? I sort of flew by it, and I already,

Starting point is 00:26:29 I can't go to my screen because I already deleted it. But the gist of it is I'm actually doing decent traffic, so I'm already hit, I'm close to the 100 gigabyte. And they said that GitHub pages is close to 100. They have a soft 100 gigabyte limit. And I've already taken all the big stuff off. It's just a lot of, I think it's a lot of AI bots. And I decided to not turn that off.

Starting point is 00:26:55 But the other thing is it says they really don't want it to be for free web hosting for anything commercial or even like pseudo related to commercial. And so I, in the spirit of. that i don't i i'm not afraid of getting in trouble i just don't think it's right for me to take advantage of it if i'm promoting my courses promoting my book and stuff and uh on there um it it just doesn't seem like in the spirit of what gethap pages was for so there's that um however you're right that when i was um recommend when i i started the story of recommending other people start a blog totally gethub pages is going to be one of those because you're just writing a blog

Starting point is 00:27:37 like in college or something, probably not a commercial entity. And that's totally valid, yeah. So just remember the admonishment we gave a few weeks ago, use your own domain. If you want to move, you need to be able to move by remapping your DNS. If you're at, you know, Michael at gethubpages.com or whatever, right, or gethub.io, like you're stuck forever. Yeah, but then you'll, yes. And you'll get to the joy of now you have to get to learn how DNS settings

Starting point is 00:28:06 but you know you shouldn't anyway you'll figure it out yeah by the way that my self-hosting comes with free four terabytes of traffic and like if you're digital ocean or hetsner usually even the cheapest server comes with a terabyte of free traffic like the four dollar version so well maybe maybe i'll set up a four dollar hessner box or something yeah exactly you could i'm happy to help if you want all right are you ready for a joke to wrap this thing up okay so i'm going to recommend a youtube video i know a lot of times i tell straight jokes but i feel like this This one is catching the zeitgeist a little bit and people can, I think with a certain group of people, this is really going to resonate. Are you looking for a job? Have you looked for a job five years ago? And then now, well, check out Kai Lintit's hiring in 2025 versus 2021.

Starting point is 00:28:54 This is the programmers or human guy, the interview with the EMAX expert guy, the Java, senior JavaScript developer. And perhaps his best video is the senior engineer tries AI coding. But this is really, really funny. It's sort of like contrasts like the position that we all used to be in. Whereas you could just dictate whatever terms you want in 2021. People are desperate to hire anyone, you know. And then what it's like now. They make the guy create like a foundational LLM model blindfolded.

Starting point is 00:29:32 But here, I'll give you some of the quotes. In 2021, these are some of the quotes. Do you have an in-house kombucha salmere? What country did he study in? Oh, yes, we actually have two. And then it's like, let's talk about, this is the guy being hired, right? Let's talk about pets. Are you donkey friendly?

Starting point is 00:29:53 And the guy starts to laugh. Like, oh, yeah, whatever. He's like, oh, no, you think this is a joke? He's like, oh, we can work on, we can work on donkeys. Yeah, it's okay. And then 2025 is like round eight of seven for the interviews, right? And he's like, the guy starts screaming at the guy being interviews. Out of 12,000 resumes, the AI picked yours.

Starting point is 00:30:14 Prove that you're worthy. You solved with the binary. Build me a foundational model. And then eventually he asked about health care. He goes, health care, what do you want to live forever? So good. Oh, that's bad. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:28 So if you want to just. live in the moment a little bit i think here we go so uh yeah in in 20 so pre 2019 i guess um so pre-pandemic um our we it's been since there's not enough people always in the office to to support it now but before the pandemic we had uh two flavors of kombucha on tap uh chilled um it was like a like a mini keg thing but it's kombucha it was it was a thing incredible and uh where did you somali Somalia study. No, we just, it's Portland. There's like, it's just huge of people.

Starting point is 00:31:05 I know, I know, I know. The, uh, the, the one AI, this is a related to AI in 2025. I, my daughter isn't, she's a junior in high school. And she, she had to, she had to interview for one of her classes. She had to interview me, interview one of her parents. So she interviewed me. And, um, and she was starting to type it in on her phone. And I'm like, don't do that.

Starting point is 00:31:28 Just to email me. the questions. So she emailed me the questions and I just sat there and talked with her about what I was saying, but I typed him back because I type way faster than she does, although it's bizarre that she can type with her thumbs faster than she can or on a keyboard. But send it back, turned it in, but she had to convince her teacher that it was okay that she pasted it in because apparently there were so many kids that actually didn't want to actually interview their parents that they just had chat. They, like, told chat TPT what their parents were like

Starting point is 00:32:01 and had the, or whatever, the AI system, AI bots. They interviewed a bot instead of their parents. And so the teacher turned off paste in the homework assignment. So you can't paste in the answer anymore. Oh, how bad. I mean, I do not envy the educational world with regard to AI because, you know, it's, so easy to say and here let me just paste the homework question and requirements in now do that

Starting point is 00:32:31 you know it's crazy but this was like there's no wrong answer it was like it was easier just easier than talking to your family uh but yeah yeah that's crazy anyway all right yeah that's cool uh well good one again thanks i'll have to watch that uh hiring video oh it's really good it's really good people check it out i'll put it in the show notes bye everyone

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