QAA Podcast - Bongino’s Epstein Flip Flop (E325)

Episode Date: May 24, 2025

What happens when conspiracists make their dreams come true by taking over the deep state agencies and cracking them open? FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino's recent shift from conservative radio host to federally-employed “Epstein killed himself“ advocate creates chaos among those who hope for new revelations from newly influential insiders. Joined by Will Sommer of the False Flag newsletter, Jake, Liv, and Travis dissect Bongino's controversial flip-flop, the disillusionment of the MAGA faithful, and Glenn Beck's anguish over the situation. Meanwhile, James Comey's cryptic seashell Instagram post sparks a numerological panic and a Secret Service visit, mainstream conservative media cozies up to QAnon figures, and Elon Musk signals a pullback from political spending after a major loss in the Wisconsin Supreme Court election. Subscribe for $5 a month to get all the premium episodes: https://patreon.com/qaa Will Sommer on Bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/willsommer.bsky.social // Editing by Corey Klotz. Theme by Nick Sena. Additional music by Pontus Berghe. Theme Vocals by THEY/LIVE (https://instagram.com/theyylivve / https://sptfy.com/QrDm). Cover Art by Pedro Correa: (https://pedrocorrea.com) https://qaapodcast.com /// SOURCES The Real Reason Trump World Just Can’t Quit Conspiracy Theories https://www.thebulwark.com/p/real-reason-trump-world-conspiracy-theories-patel-bongino-maga James Comey is under investigation for his '8647' Instagram post. What does it mean? https://www.npr.org/2025/05/16/nx-s1-5400400/comey-trump-8647-investigation-instagram QAnon Conspiracy Theorist Liz Crokin Claims 'The Simpsons' Are Satanic 'Predictive Programming' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36ox1U3uYrY Thanks to DOGE, Gumroad’s founder has a second job with the VA https://www.fastcompany.com/91330297/doge-sahil-lavignia-gumroad What DOGE gets wrong about tech and government https://donmoynihan.substack.com/p/what-doge-gets-wrong-about-tech-and

I don't know. If you're hearing this, well done, you have found a way to connect to the internet. Welcome to the QAA podcast, episode 325, Bonchino's Epstein flip-flop, featuring Will Sommer. As always, we are your host, Jake Rockatansky, Lev Akar, and Travis View. There is a tension that occurs when conspiracists assume power, because the big part of conspiracyism is the knee-jerk and automatic rejection of the quote-unquote official story. They assume that whatever people in positions of authority are saying

that's necessarily false and in fact a cover-up of the actual truth. Now, the conspiracies may not be 100% clear on what narrative is right, but they know that the mainstream one is definitely wrong. Now, I personally believe that the problems with such a stance are two-fold. Number one, this stance is not always accurate. Sometimes it is. Sometimes the official lines of fiction maintained because it serves the interests of people in power. I had a whole series, a video series, a couple years ago, called Trickledown, which everyone who subscribes to our premium feed can listen to. So, yeah, I mean, it's something that happens.

But sometimes, like, when the National Weather Service says a hurricane is coming, that's not a cover off of something else. It's because a hurricane is coming. And number two, when the conspiracist rises to power as a consequence, what they say is the official story, it might be useful for conspiracists to deny a particular narrative when they're out of power, but it's detrimental to their interest to do so once they assume power. You can't keep saying the people who run things are lying to you when you are the people who run things.

Yeah, you can't blame the deep state when you are the deep state. It really does show you that they do believe, like, this shit they're peddling to other people. Because if they were cynical, like, you just get, like, a neocon in these positions. Then you have a guy to blame. Yeah, a fall guy or something. This issue was recently faced by FBI director, Cash Potet. and his deputy Dan Bongino. In that recent interview, they asserted that Jeffrey Epstein merely committed suicide in jail,

angering the Maga Base. Now, to help us discuss this and other stories we're interested in, we are joined by whatever earliest QAA guest, Will Somer, who recently wrote about this for his newsletter, False Flag. Will has been too long. Thanks for joining us again. Hey, yeah, thanks for having me. I'm happy to be back to chop it up with the gang.

Hell yeah. Yeah, this is a good one. I was like, I really enjoyed your perspective on this for your newsletter. This whole controversy erupted after Fox Business aired an interview with Patel and Bongino. You said Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide. People don't believe it. Well, I mean, listen, they have a right to their opinion, but as someone who has worked as a public defender, as a prosecutor who's been in that prison system, who's been in the Metropolitan Detention Center, who's been in segregated housing. You know a suicide when you see one, and that's what that was.

He killed himself. Again, you want me to get? I've seen the whole file. He killed himself. It's almost like they're like, oh, it brings me no pleasure to report. Cash had a little nervous laugh there at the start. You know, it seemed pretty uncomfortable. I like that Cash was even pretending that, like, he always knew that that was the case.

It's like, come on, look around. Look at how the prison system works. And Dan's just like, no, no, no. we, I was thinking that too but that I saw the file and unfortunately he did kill himself. It makes me think that like the first thing they did when they got in there they were like somebody

bring me the Epstein file right now and they're like all right sir, all right and they're like we're going to get to the bottom of this and then they brought them all the materials and they were like oh oh shit it actually looks like he actually really did kill himself like I wasn't expecting this.

It's like getting like top level clearance and then like you know asking for the alien files to be brought up, and it's like, oh, they really, they really are just weather balloons. You're on something there, Jake. The way Bongino is delivering it, it's like he's telling someone a loved one has died or something. He's saying, he killed himself.

You need to come back to reality. He's like, I was once like you. I too thought that Hillary Clinton crept in in the middle of the night and strangled him to death with her, you know, adrenachrome strength grip. But sadly, and fairer. sadly. I've seen the actual files and yeah, it's a suicide through and through. Yeah. I know it's like, yeah, Patel is actually quite experienced at sort of like engaging and sort of like not sort of like talking down to conspiracists while not sort of like validating their zanist beliefs. But like here,

you're right, he can he can tell that he's going to get some heat or people aren't going to believe him or it's just going to be not a very good look when he like before he got to the office, he talked the big game about, like, releasing Epstein information, but now he just doesn't have anything to offer. I think, yeah, I mean, the other component is that, like, Epstein died while Trump was in office. So if, like, if you want to argue a cover-up, you would have to go, you know, up to Trump. Yeah, that's always bugged me about this, is this idea that it's like, obviously, we all know Trump had these associations with Epstein in the past. It was like, he literally ran the jail. And Bill Barr visited the jail, like, roughly around the time it happened or, like,

a day or two before. I mean, you know, there's, there's plenty of material for conspiracy. theorists, but obviously they don't want to look at that side of it. Yeah, exactly. Nobody wants to think that, like, Bill Barr, like, strangled Epstein with his bare hands. Now, Will, how did, like, you know, the Maga Faithful, people who otherwise might be very trusting of Patel and Bongino react to this? Yeah, I mean, this has been a storyline I've been very passionate about, so I'm so happy to be here. I mean, the, basically, there's kind of been this break that's been coming for a while between Cash and Bongino on one side and sort of the Maga Faithful on the other. And this, this moment, this, the Epstein,

interview here is kind of like the big break where this is this tension is kind of broken out because you know obviously they think that there's an Epstein client list that has you know Oprah and all the adrenochrome gang on it and that they think um you know that all these people are going to be arrested and all this sort of stuff and of course the key to that is who murdered Epstein uh and for Dan Bonino just to come out and say you know he doesn't quite say it but you can see in the tone of his voice he's kind of like stop bugging me about this okay I'm having fun I want to be the FBI deputy director let me do my thing and stop tweeting at me. And so, you know, the reaction was not great.

I think Alex Jones said, you know, it seems like Dan's been duped, which is sort of the charitable version of it. But there was a lot more kind of deep state trader type talk. Yeah, yeah. There's this general belief that like, you know, it's like, no matter who gets in, even the most pure-hearted patriot gets in, you know, they get captured by the Washington system. And that's what apparently happened to Bongino, right? It's kind of a Frodo's Ring situation, perhaps, you know, like they just,

anyone who gets into the deep state to try to clean it up is going to get, you know, they're going to say you got to cover up what's going on with Epstein. It's like the right wing version of like ultra-left communists who are like, oh, even the Marxist-Leninists when they make states, you know, they get corrupted by capital. It's like I guess they get corrupted by the deep state, conspiracies. I know it's a bit harder to say that when you think of everything through conspiracies where it's like the people in charge are the ones making decisions. Because it's like, well, where is the, I guess there is just no analysis.

It's almost as if when they're doing. a podcast or being a radio host, they can kind of say whatever they want. But when they have a real job with salaries and there's accountability and somebody looking over their shoulder, they can't really say whatever they want. And you know, I do think there's an aspect too where I think Cash and Dan Bongino are really just like they do enjoy being the heads of the FBI. Like they want to, they're going to the tactical villages and like taking doors and doing all the posing with the raids. And then these people are just like, hey, you got to get me the Epstein client list. And they want to say, like, it's not real, you know? And obviously they hear

they kind of just broke out with it. Yeah, Bonjino, he even clarified his stance on this issue with a post on Twitter. He posted this. I was asked about some of the details surrounding the Jeffrey Epstein case. I have reviewed the case. Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. There's no evidence of the case file indicating otherwise. I'm not asking you to believe me or not. I'm telling you, what exists and what doesn't. If new evidence surfaces, I'm happy to reevaluate. He's so bummed out about this. I remember listening to his radio show around this time.

And it was all like, it was all Epstein didn't kill himself. I mean, it was, you know, everybody around that time, there wasn't, there was barely anybody who was saying, you know, across the aisle, people were shaking hands and rejoicing, realizing, nope, we definitely all believe he did not kill himself. Yeah, I mean, this is, This is interesting because I think he like understands that like he is right now like a high level FBI official pleading with people to not believe their, you know, their conspiracy theories or not believe that there's some sort of cover up involving this high level sex trafficker who is well connected to a lots of people in elite circles. And he knows that if he was on the other side, if he was still a radio host and like someone else was deputy. FBI director saying the exact same thing. He would be calling bullshit and he would be, he has this,

he has this tone of guys, guys, you got to believe me. I've done everything I can, but it's just, it's just not there. You know, people are kind of his fellow right wing media talking heads now. At best, they're saying, you know, Jesse Kelly, the podcaster had to say, guys, Bongino is not the enemy. You know, I don't know what's going on here, but, you know, just don't get mad at Dan. So, I mean, if that's the best they can do, he's obviously in a tough spot. You know, one pro-Trump Twitter user was very unhappy with Bon Gino's sort of take on this. Here is what that person said. I watched both you and Cash's body language today with Maria Bartaromo.

I absolutely 100% shocked by what I saw, almost as much as much as I was by your answers to her questions. Who has bought the both of you? Your answers about Epstein, J6, and Crossfire Hurricane are the exact opposite of your positions over the past several years. Unbelievable. I mean, didn't Bongino put out a book that was about SpyGate? Like, I remember very early on, he was such a SpyGate guy. He's reversed. Well, it is really funny seeing these guys get in.

And, you know, yeah, you would think that they should be, like, completely purging the FBI. And they've done a little of that. But they also, like, promoted one of the main FBI, like, field office guys behind the January 6th prosecutions. I mean, that guy, you know, if you would listen to the MAGA people, I mean, that guy's like a traitor. And instead, you know, obviously, they're like, well, we got a, we got a run. on the FBI and maybe we like paling around with these guys too. So they really, you know, I'm afraid to say they become deep state. Yeah, I think you've got, I think you're on to something like they actually like being with the other federal law enforcement officers with the real guns and

the real raids and stuff like that. They're like, oh, this is way better than like sitting at some desk like yelling into a microphone about like how, you know, I think everything is some type of conspiracy theory. So it's like all of a sudden when you're doing the real stuff with the real guys, and you kind of feel like you're in, you know, in your own movie or game. Well, I guess not Bongino because he, you know, he was Secret Service for a little while. But, like, it's got to just be way more exciting and fun. And now this stuff that's kind of nipping at their heels following them from their pundit days is probably just like a thorn in their side. Yeah, I mean, it's like, you know, they like got on the football team.

And now the old friends are like, you want to come back to anime club? And they're like, no, leave you alone. I can be seen with you. This also, I guess, does confirm that he didn't kill himself, right? presumably if we needed a confirmation. Yeah, I agree. If there's any reason for, like, Bonino to be able to say he didn't kill himself, it would be some evidence that there was shady stuff around here.

I assume that's the main pressure here, actually, is, like, you can't lie about that if you're in this position. Yeah, I want Bogino, like, hoisted out of his own press conference for, like, saying to, like, I want him to go up to the press conference where he's expected to speak and to be, and, you know, to be, like, the guy that's like, Bush perpetrated 9-11, and is, like, carried out by like two big security guards from his own press conference. That's what I want to see. There was a viral tweet that compared how Bongino spoke about the Epstein case in

2023 against how Bongino spoke about Epstein in that recent interview. Listen, that Jeffrey Epstein story is a big deal. Please do not let that story go. Keep your eye on this. Catherine Rumler, I want you, we need to keep the heat on this case, folks. There are a lot of people who are knee deep in the Washington's swamp who are not telling you the truth about serious allegations out there that Epstein may have had video and audio of people out there doing things they shouldn't have been doing. And you should be asking yourself the

question, how is it that all these people, the CIA director, the Obama fixer, Bill Clinton, all intersected past with Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein isn't with us anymore. And nobody seems to want to talk about it outside of a few entrepreneurial media outlets saying, hey, this is a big deal he killed himself you again you want me to I've I've seen the whole file he killed himself does look like a scared man I mean yeah it's like his voice got so much softer you're right it sounds like he's like trying to deliver some bad news as gently as possible yeah he looks like he's about to cry visually too I mean obviously now he's wearing a suit and tie in the old clip he's wearing like a muscle shirt that says we the people on it I mean that was the that was the real

bunch you know bring him back This might not even be the same guy This makes me, I mean not quite But sort of want to see what would happen To like Alex Jones in this position Like what's the cucked Alex Jones Yeah Having to deliver this information

Yeah how crazy do you have to be I think the question maybe is Like how little do you care about your own safety versus being seen as someone Who has brought you know Dark light to darkness So here's how the Twitter user Who made that video

And posted that video explained his issues with Bongino. Dan Bongino on Epstein. Before and after he became deputy FBI director, exclamation point. These people are like actors or puppets used by those operating from the shadows. They're all on the same side. They build narratives and then dismantle them when the timing suits their agenda. It's all about keeping your attention so they can manipulate you.

And make no mistake, they're all playing for the same team. The most important thing is that you believe there are. left and right sides, when in reality, the elite only cares about their own survival. I love the speed in which conspiracy theorists will burn their former heroes the moment they say something that really sort of intersects with a very strongly held belief, like the one that Epstein was murdered. You know, I would just say that this account is an open-minded approach, I believe. This is like a hot one. I don't know if you guys have been following. This one's blown up. I like it. It's all about how like the magnetic poles are going to switch and the planet's

going to be destroyed. They've got some interesting new angles. Nice. I love how all the conspiracy guys were like, I'm just calling it how I see it. And how I see it is that there are Nazis on the moon. A truth teller. You're exactly right, Jake. I mean, something that is so like appealing to me about covering this world is just like the absolute nest of vipers that it is. And as soon as like one of these guys steps out of line or really as soon as someone sees an opportunity to stab them in the back and get market share they're just like you know this guy this guy's in the deep state you can't trust him you got to stick with me the home of occult consciousness yeah like if these were if these were like centrist liberals they would be like well hold on guys like maybe there's a reason you know maybe there's a reason that he he said it this way and in fact wait you know nobody wants to he doesn't want to make uh you know a statement right now it could potentially ruin the case that he's working on So, like, let's give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Like, I wouldn't burn him just yet. But meanwhile, like, the MAGA people are like, to the fucking stone pit.

Like, fuck this guy. Like, oh, he did. Oh, he killed. Oh, he killed himself. Yeah. Like, you're washed, Bongino. And then they'll pivot to who, you know, whoever's next. Yeah.

Democrats, for better for us, do you have, like, party loyalty? Or as Republicans, it's like loyalty to yourself and Trump. Those are the two. Yeah. Now, I think an important context for all this is that Patel, promised that he would release the Epstein files, like whatever that means, on day one. And they had that debacle in which the Trump White House handed some conservative influencers, a binders full of, like, already public information about Epstein.

But really, like, nothing new or that shocking has been seen yet, which I have to confess, which surprise, that surprises me. I'm very convinced that there is some interesting, relevant information somewhere in the government archives over the years about Epstein, that would be, you know, would be scandalous and ruin some reputations. I believe that to be the case. But it's just shocking how little has been released so far, given that he said that there would be information released on day one. I actually follow a Twitter account called Did Cash Patel publish Epstein's list today? And it counts off the days since that day one release didn't happen. And as of this recording, we're on day 91.

It just says, did Cash Patel publish Epstein's list today? Day 91, no. Yeah, part of this, I think, is a little bit like overblown, like expectations. Well, I do believe there is unreleased and interesting information about Epstein that's contained somewhere within the government archives. I'm like, I don't think there's probably not just an Epstein list. There's not like a single document, be like all here are all the bad guys and here are the deprave things they did. And here's this complete information. Again, there's this fantasy that, like, you know, one day the most awful and shocking secrets of the elite will just be released and really in the really clean and comprehensive way.

And I don't know. I don't think that's interesting you say that. I think it's kind of like what we're getting from the JFK files where it's like for people who have been following this stuff really closely, whatever comes out is like, oh, okay, this kind of tells us a little more, these characters we're already familiar with, by which I mean, like, these random associates of Jeffrey Epstein, it's not going to be like, it's Oprah, you know, or what have you. I don't know if y'all have seen, but James O'Keefe had been releasing videos from Epstein Island over the past few weeks. And it's always like, yeah, that's what a kitchen looks like. Fair enough. Art's a little weird. He had Epstein's like speed dial on his phone.

And it was like, oh, who's it going to be? Is it Tom Hanks? No, it's Epstein's assistant. You know, it's kind of like who you would expect. So I think those are the revelations we're in for, if anything. Yeah. What a terrible place to be stuck between, which is that things are as they were presented to us, or will never get the reality, because if these two Yahoo's Cash and Dan Bongino,

who are literally now appointed to the highest levels of the FBI, can't, you know, squeeze out a couple new crumbs, that either means that the apparatus is so, you know, so locked down that, like, this shit just will never get out, or that, yeah, that things are as they were told to us, and that's boring. And also doesn't implicate Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and Obama, which is really, just what everybody wants. That's all they want is for some is for Dan Bongino to get up there and say, I have an arrest warrant for Hillary Clinton, for child trafficking and pedophilia related to Epstein. That's, that's really, that's, you know, the holy grail. Yeah, I mean, like, I feel like, you know, the, I feel like if Republicans or conservatives are like, were really serious about getting to

the bottom of Epstein as best as government information can, they would maybe elect someone who was not an Epstein associate, someone who was not described by Epstein as his best friend. So that's, I don't know, there's, there's that element too, that like maybe whatever information they have come across, you know, maybe taints their boss a little bit. So they don't, they're really not that interested in releasing it. You know, if you bind to the idea that these guys have been co-opted by the deep state, and I haven't seen anyone saying this, but I feel like maybe they are. This is kind of like a humiliation ritual.

This one of the famous cabal humiliation rituals is that, you know, Bongino and Cash Patel have to get out there and say, you know, okay, guys, move on. You know, we were dumb. We were wrong. Conservative commentator Glenn Beck, I think, has a good articulation of the dilemma of Trump supporters who believe that there is a massive amount of unreleased information in the federal government about shocking high-level corruption. And his perspective is interesting because Beck is someone who personally knows Bongino and Patel. But he also wants and expects them to release previously suppressed information about Epstein Associates. But they're not doing that so far. So it's like he's in a kind of like strange spot.

But here's what he said on his podcast. I believe him. I believe him. That's not good enough for America, however. Now, I have also said on this program, do you want to feel good or do you want people to go to jail? I want people to go to jail. That's why I said with Pam Bondi, On day number two, after that debacle of the release of the file, I said, look, perhaps this is because they're still gathering evidence.

They want to put people in jail, yada, yada. I don't know why they withheld that evidence. But to believe that Pam Bondi, because I asked the president on this, to believe that Pam Bondi has sold out and then Cash Patel and Dan Bongino all sold. out means that you must then believe that Donald Trump knows it and is part of it. That's the problem. Who is left to believe? This is, I mean, I feel like that's basically it. Back of people are stuck.

They think that this is their last hope. And if they start abandoning the belief that Trump is going to release all this information that's going to lead to the arrests of all the people that they hate, if they can't believe that, that they are left with a black pill. Yeah. Although I will say it's very interesting that he originally said, initially said, do you want to feel good or do you want people to go to jail? Because, like, people will go to jail.

And I think maybe that might, like, mend some of the cracks in this schism, which is like, okay, whatever, they're not doing the Epstein stuff. But, like, look at everyone he's sending to El Salvador. Like, he's getting all of the, he's getting all of that done. I think, like, a lot of conspiracy theories are fascist enough that, like, that's all they really fundamentally want is a government that's like that. So I mean, I guess it's to be seen. I'm sure that there are some conspiracy theorists that will split. But I wouldn't be surprised if that is just the solution for the Trump admin is to keep going down that path.

I mean, yeah, but I feel like that's probably not satisfying enough just because like, you know, it's like they're, I guess they're probably, yeah, they're sadistic hearts. They're happy to see, you know, immigrants brutalized and deported. But they really want like the powerful people, like the people that they thought are responsible for like allowing the immigrants in to go and suffer and they're not getting that they're not getting the uh you know hillary clinton getting sent to the uh el salvadorian gulog yeah i think that's right i mean basically i think once they start indicting people who you know uh the russia gate people like getting or you know all these old characters like nellie or and uh you know lisa page yes i'll bring them back or like maybe they got

the cop who shot Ashley Babbitt or like obviously the Justice Department's making a lot of noise about like like overdoing or overturning the the Biden pardons like you know put Fauci in prison if they just get Fauci alone it's like Dan Bojino we'll get like a parade you know yeah it's like it's not enough that like even that that their enemies die right like look at the case of John McCain you know who who was sick and then he passed away and they were like oh well he wasn't actually sick. He was executed in secret. But that's not like good enough. Like you have to see it in public. There has to be some kind of moment. I think really like for their liberal enemies where there is like beyond a reasonable doubt that like the conspiracy guys were right. And like if any of this stuff happens behind

the scene and there is ability for media to spin it one way or another depending on which side of the aisle, they kind of fall. It'll never be good enough. Like, there has to be something, it has to be, they won't be satisfied until it's something that everybody sees with their own eyes like Hillary Clinton, you know, being pulled out of her house, you know, like the departed. That, that, I think nothing less than that will satisfy them, even still to this day. I want to move on to, I guess, online baking generally, because I don't know if you guys saw this, but the former FBI director, James Comey, was investigated by the Secret Service after after he shared, then deleted an Instagram post,

which Republicans allege was an incitement to violence against President Donald Trump. Comey posted an Instagram of a photo of seashells, which said 8647, and it was captioned, Cool Shell Formation on my beachwalk. And 86 is usually means like to eject or discard something, and 47 refers to President Trump. Here it is, just in the beach, shells in the sand. Future-proof past. I know.

Ocean Prove Beach. Comey prove FBI. Yeah, like, I'm of the opinion that this is cringe and a stupid thing for a former FBI director to post. I mean, it's also just general bad practice to not post cryptic information when you are, you know, once a high-level government official. When you're like, you know, don't do codes because people are going to bake and sort of like try to decode everything you do. even as like the most innocent, innocuous thing. So when you post something that is clearly coded like this, they're going to take it into even weirder directions.

It's also funny because it's like you made him president. Like that was a very important part of 2016 presidential run. Comey, this guy just cannot help stepping on his dick over and over and over again. Yeah. You know, you mentioned Comey, you know, him blundering around on Twitter. I mean, obviously back in the old Q&1, on days when he tweeted his five first jobs as a teenager and then they it was like you know carnival barker or whatever and they baked that into being like there's going to be a mass shooting at this

elementary school's fundraiser this weekend it was so crazy yeah so people in maga world decided this 86 47 post was a secret code suggesting that combe was advocating for the assassination of trump so trump himself said as much in an interview on fox news he knew exactly what what that meant. A child knows what that meant. If you're the FBI director and you don't know what that meant, that meant assassination. And it says it loud and clear. Now, he wasn't very competent, but he was competent enough to know what that meant. And he did it for a reason. And he was hit so hard. There's something very sorry about this. You know, from the like, are you triggered crowd it's like that really hurt my feelings how dare you i'm actually very offended yeah only only in

modern times could somebody post something like this innocent you know as anybody's worked in like restaurants you know 86 it's just it's not you know it's not specifically code for assassination you know and and i have to assume by the way just to be fair that if cash patel the head of the FBI if he posted the same thing with with Biden's president number there would be a number of influencers basically saying the same thing. Like, oh, well, he, they're calling for the assassination of Biden. I can't believe it, you know, it's just, I think a sign of the time that we're at is that nothing can be mundane, nothing can be innocent or goofy, or even, you know, when it comes to politics and it comes to getting some kind of leg up on your political enemies, everything is taken to the extreme. And it certainly

doesn't help that there have been real legitimate assassination attempts on President Trump's life. So he can just sort of kind of couch it up and go, oh, terrible, it's so terrible, you know, and people will, they'll go out and do it and they'll listen to it. They follow, call me on Instagram, and they'll do it, they'll listen to him. You know, it's like everybody is, everybody wants to be the victim or, you know, defend the victimhood of, I don't know, of their guys. This 86 thing, they really, just in the past few months, have really sort of been exaggerating the meaning of this into this, like, 86 means, like, execute with extreme prejudice.

this because this 86-47 things also appeared on signs at protests and stuff and t-shirts. And you can go out and you can say, wow, look at all these Democrats carrying signs saying murder Trump. And so this has been driving me crazy for a while. And this, you know, the idea that within just a few hours we had a Homeland Security Secretary and the FBI all saying, oh, we're looking into this. We're James Comey said murder Trump, you know. And so we've got to look into this. It is my favorite thing working at a restaurant, you know, when someone put the 86 code, you like take a mortar launcher and you just aim it right at their table.

Well, you know what? I got a kick out of like, you know, Trump's suggesting here. He's like, you know, he's the head of the FBI. He knows the mafia lingo. Now all of a sudden, all these people on the writer saying, look, we all know the meaning of 86. Take his body 80 miles from town and bury him six feet under. It's like, what?

Oh, oh, we all know that classic definition. Yeah, because everybody knows, like, when you're the retired FBI director, steeped in controversy anyway, and you want to make a secret order from the beat. to take out the current president, everybody knows that you hire somebody to spell it out with seashells. Then you post it, and then you sit back and you wait for the murder to take place.

Well, this actually gets into a... I'm interested in y'all's take on this. Comey claims he did not make the shells himself. He said he just happened upon them on the beach. What do we think? Yeah, let me... Yeah, actually, let me play a clip of him making this claim on a recent interview.

We were walking on the beach. We went to the beach to prepare for this week, which was the launch of my book. and to think about the book and to prepare to answer questions about it and we were walking back towards the road and we saw in the sand someone had arranged shells with numbers

and Patrice my wife said why would someone put an address in the sand and I said I don't know and we stood over it and I said you know I think it's some kind of like political message and she said you know 86 when I was a server she did a lot of working restaurants meant to remove an item from the menu

when you ran out of ingredients and I said well to me as a kid it always meant to leave a place, to ditch a place. I said, that's really clever. So then she said, you should take a picture of that. And I did. And I posted it on my Instagram account and thought nothing more of it until I heard through her that people were saying it was some sort of a call for assassination, which is crazy.

But I took it down. Even if I think it's crazy, I don't want to be associated with violence of any kind. I mean, this is a little hard to believe, honestly. It's just, I mean, it might be true. but it's like it's very strange that he yeah just saw just saw four numbers in the sand and then decided to take a picture of it and it's like it makes more sense if like he created this himself especially since like i don't know the way that the shells are arranged so perfect so clean it's like no time at all has transpired since they were assembled there's nothing there's nothing uh covering them up at all

but like even if it even if that is true this does sound very stupid the former head of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, looking at four numbers and puzzling over them, trying to suss its meeting, trying to crack this case. What do these shells mean? It's like a fucking bit from demolition, man.

Come on. I was with him up until he starts saying he doesn't know the meeting of 86, or he's just like, well, you know, you have one clue from your past, and here's one for mine, and maybe together we can figure out the meaning. I think it might be some sort of political thing.

You know, the fucked up thing is that, like, if he didn't make this, like how sad that somebody went to the beach they actually went to touch grass have a beautiful day at the beach and like they were like I know what I'll do I'll write a message about we should eject Trump in the sand for all who walk by to see can you imagine like the person who's like oh my god Comey retweeted and then oh I got Comey in trouble like depending on what your view of Comey is which I think can be many things even if you're a liberal like the whole thing is just so dumb and so sad. Yeah, this reaction is very, very strange. Like, like claiming that Comey's being

like inflammatory or whatever or inciting violence is especially, I don't know, hypocritical. It's pointless to point out hypocrisy anymore. But like, but it is because Trump, to this day, he amplifies posts from QAnon followers on true social, which are often like very inflammatory. In fact, according to a media matters reporter Alex Kaplan, who has done like very valuable work tracking this. Trump has now amplified Q&on promoting accounts at least 1,000 times on true social since the platform launched in 2022. Quite a milestone. There are not even a thousand days in a year. Yeah, you just, I mean, like, sometimes he goes on sprees where he just like retweets or retruths of these posts over and over again. So one of these recent posts that Trump amplified,

I was posted by a Q& promoter named Spiritual Street Fighter. It consists of a meme stating, all roads lead to Obama. Retruth if you want public, military tribunals. I mean, just again, this is this very, very Q&on sort of like narrative thing, the idea that like whatever Obama did was so awful, he isn't even good enough for civilian courts. He's going to be tried by, you know, the joint chiefs of staff, and they're going to send them to Gitmo.

Well, and I guess if Trump re-truthed it, that he does, in fact, want to see military tribunals. One could, I mean, if you're, looking at the commandments of the meme one would think that Trump has like retweets to not equal endorsements in his bio

another one of the images that Trump amplified includes this AI-generated image of Trump with this flowing cape on the shoulders and on a shirt collar there is a Q plus and the Q plus in QAnon lore remember is like

code for Trump himself. So I I mean, it is startling. It's like, it's become numb to it, but it is insane that, like, Trump is still promoting QAnon memes here in 2025. Well, I'm sure you all get asked this as well, but people are always saying to me, whatever happened to old QAnon? And it's like, Trump's still at it. You know what I mean?

Like, like the president is probably the most outspoken QAnon promoter now. Yeah, it's just one of the things you can put in your artwork or fold into something you believe. It's just another, it's just like another piece of. loam to mix into the bowl, you know what I mean? It's just, yeah. Yeah, yeah. There's like, there's this like naive idea that like, oh, remember there was this, there was this weird Q&ON kind of movement, but it's gone now. It's like, no, you just don't really hear about it quite as much, partly because the mainstream media doesn't report it on as much because it would be just

tiresome to say, Trump promoted QAnon again. It happened again. It happened again. It happened again. And then it's also kind of like tiring to just sort of like talk about the stuff that like the still the very large Q&O media ecosystem is talking about because then you get into this oxygen of amplification issue.

So it's just not part of like the real the media reporting so much anymore but it's still as active if not more active than it was years ago. And you know here comes Comey and he's like that's cute. That's cute you know. People arrange

the seashells on the beach, 86-47, eject him, get him out of there. I can, you know, I can jive with that. You know, maybe I'll tell you, you think I should take a picture, honey? Okay, where would I post it? On Instagram? That's cute, I guess. All right. And then, like, the secret service is at his door. Meanwhile, Trump's like, re-truth for hang, like, public hangings. I mean, not to get too live, but I saw people online making this comparison. It said, like, You're going to get so upset about this, and yet you've got the current president, you know, who is like, you know, kind of neutral on whether or not his vice president is going to be handed over to, you know, the angry mob on Jan 6th. I mean, I'm sure you all saw, but the, you know, people obviously were going through these, these right-wing media figures who had previously said 86 about Biden. And so you had Jack Posobic, for example, saying 86, 46, the exact same thing.

And now it's being, you know, this is a direct. threat to the president to say it to say the same thing yeah what does posso have to say for himself i mean it's just it's it's yet another domino in the conservatives are becoming way too sensitive you know it's like they they were they were they've taken it and they're like this is an outrage you know it's the i mean what does pose so possibly say he's like well i didn't mean it in a murderous way whereas this guy was the fbi guy who helped trump get into office clearly he must have meant it in a violent capacity. I mean, outrage culture is a very conservative thing initially, I think.

So it makes sense that they're trying to claim it back, especially if they feel like they finally have cultural ground again and the culture isn't like leaning leftward. It's like, yeah, it's our time to, you know, do council culture, basically. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I sometimes think that like a lot of far right figures believe that liberals were able to like sort of wield their sense of being offended in order to reach greater heights of power. This is like the source of why they were able to like, you know, win office or take

over culture or whatever, is this hyper sensitivity. And there's a general belief that they can accomplish the same thing by acting like every little thing is just an unthinkable offense to them. And yet another example of how conspiracism has become increasingly mainstream. A prominent conservative commentator, Benny Johnson, interviewed the Q&ON and PCGate promoter Liz Croken. So this was a pretty much. shocking as as highlighted by right wing watch uh one of the things that liz croakin discussed during that interview was the belief that the simpsons television show does predictive programming project monarch which is a CIA mind control program was real right so he talked about CIA mind

control um as well but he also talked about predictive programming and what the deep state does is that they will, they, the deep state, the members of the cabal, whatever you want to call them, because they're Satanists, and this isn't what I believe, but this is what they, they believe, they believe in truth and plain sight, and they believe that they have to announce their plans before they commit them. And even if it's just through TV shows or there are or music, they believe that that's what they have to do. So if you look at a show like The Simpsons, People are like, oh, my gosh, how did the Simpsons predict so much stuff? And it's like, well, no, actually, that's part of their predictive programming.

They are announcing their plans in advance. And they believe that if they announce them through pop culture and people accept that, then that's a ritual for them. And they can justify it that way. They really don't make them like they used to. I feel like all this is really evidence that all the new QAnon people are like, their heart isn't actually in it because they just can't do it. like this. They can't do it like her. I totally agree, Liv. I mean, it doesn't it feel good to

just get like someone saying something concrete, you know, because I feel like a lot of these conspiracy theories now they're like, uh, they're behind it or whatever. And then she's like, yeah, okay, so you're going to want to look at the, the Lemon of Springfield episode. Now, this predicts the Butler assassination attempt or whatever. Yeah, I love that Liz Groken is like just still pushing the exact. She hasn't evolved at all. Like, her messaging hasn't changed. And she's got the energy of somebody who's like an expert on this and finally like the world is catching up like Benny Johnson she's like I'm going on Benny Johnson like finally like after all these years like I'm going I've hit the big time and so she's like all right just stick to the sort of like

classic talking points like keep it simple so that everybody can understand what does cabal wants from us how they're predictive programming which is by the way not a thing at all there's no such there's been no study that seeing something on television then prepares you for experiencing it in the real world. I also do love, like, one of the classic Simpsons predictions is that Trump becomes president, right? Like, he inherits, like, Lisa inherits the debt after President Trump. Yeah. So, I mean, how do we square that?

I feel like that's, like, the classic example. Yeah, how does this all fit in? I'll tell you, the cabal knew that they would fail. They knew that they would fail at some point. And they had their eye on Trump. That's why they kept him close. That's why they, you know, they wanted him to be, you know, a Democratic donor. They wanted him showing up at the parties.

they needed to keep their eye on him because they knew eventually that this man would come in and beat them one day. So, you know, look, Deep State, they just didn't bet on themselves, okay? If they put it in The Simpsons, they knew that they were going to lose to this man at some point. It's interesting watching Benny's body language there because he's initially very supportive. He's leaning in. He's nodding. And then is she, oh, Project Monarch. Oh, I love it.

That all makes sense. And then when he realizes that she's about to say something concrete about the Simpsons. And that's what he's like, that he leans. back and he kind of pauses the nodding. But you know, another thing I think is interesting here is I went back and watched this episode because I wanted to see how much Simpson material there was or she got. And what's interesting is she's on Benny's show as like his expert on the Diddy trial. And so like you can see a lot of these conspiracy theorists are kind of infiltrating. They're getting kind of a new vector, which is like entertainment stuff. And I think like the Diddy

trial in particular where they can say this stuff is pretty weird, right? Let me tell you about. about the cabal. Yeah, I mean, this was shocking to me just because this is not a fringe podcast, right? The show, he's previously interviewed several members of Congress. It currently ranks as the 26 most popular political podcasts on the Apple podcast charts. And like, here's someone who was like, you know, previously, you know, banned from several social media sites because of her extreme views, now getting boosted by, you know, a highly popular political podcast.

And how did she Trojan horse her way on to this? show as like an expert on the Diddy trial. See, that makes me think that Benny Johnson, like, that he's realizing, like, wait a minute, she's supposed to be talking about Diddy, but she's talking about the Simpsons and Satanus, and they've got to do their actions out in the open via pop culture. Like, what does this have to do with, like, how bad Diddy's hair looks? Croken's original thing was she was like a reporter. A celebrity gossip, yeah.

Yeah, celebrity gossip. And then she was like, oh, I'm reporting on, I think it was Hillary Clinton corruption. Human trafficking. She's like a human trafficking expert. So I guess I feel like they've got to be friends. And she's like, when can I come on? When can I come on the show? And he's like, well, we got, we'll figure out something.

We'll figure out maybe we can have you on to talk about ditty because, you know, human trafficking, Diddy. And then, yeah. And she's like, oh, perfect. I wonder how much she feels like kind of cut out of the new Trump circle a little bit. Yeah. I wonder how she relates to that. You know, it's funny.

It's funny you say that, Liv, when I was like, what has Liz Crow can been up to? I mean, she gave like a little mini speech at Mara Lago a few months ago. They had like, I think it was like a human trafficking event or something. So she's in there a little bit, but you're right. I feel like a lot of the sort of the more mainstreamed, you know, these people who are a little more camera ready are like, you know, she went a little too far on Pizza Gate so that when you hang out with her, people like us can point it out. So she can't be around. You have too many Simpsons statements to be put on shows. Now, finally, I want to discuss an interesting development in the whole Elon Musk and Doge saga, which is, it looks like Musk is going to devote less of his time and money to political causes in the immediate future.

According to himself, in a recent interview, he sounded kind of deflated by his experience in politics. Your political influence, I wondered whether you have decided yet how much you're going to spend on the upcoming midterms. You spent a lot more money on the last U.S. election than you envisaged when you were speaking here three years ago. Are you going to continue to spend at that kind of level on future elections? I think in terms of political spending, I'm going to do a lot less in the future. And why is that? I think I've done enough. Is it because of blowback?

well if i see a reason to do political spending in the future i will do it i don't know currently see a reason this man this man is dressed like tantin he has got he's got like a bomber jacket on with the with the lamb skin collar he's got his hair is flipped up you know a little bit in the front very very silly looking he sounds so bitter he's mad i mean he like you know he's obviously like still mad about the wisconsin supreme court thing where he put on the cheese head and they said we don't like this and I mean months later he's still like fuming about he's just yeah I don't know I don't care about politics anyway yeah he's kind of got this energy like I got you Trump like what do you want from me like I got it for you yeah I mean he's he's really like mission accomplished I took you

as far as as you need to you can handle it from here yeah I think the Wisconsin thing burned him with relation to his narcissism which is a very funny reason that they Republicans lose a lot of money potentially for funding I wonder how much of that relates to like Tesla because it seems like he needs to appear more engaged with Tesla because all of its market value relates to him being attached to it. Basically, otherwise, it's just there's no reason for it to be at that level. There's no reason in the first place, but it's really, like, connected to him. So he has to, like, begrudgingly be like, yeah, no, I'm not going to put on the cheese hat again,

I promise. I'm going to be working at Tesla. Yeah, it's like all of the time in the spotlight is great when everybody loves you, you know, but the moment that shifts and, like, you know, like, if you were doing stand-up comedy right and you never really done it before and you you go up your first time and like you bring the house down and everybody's like wow like you're going to be great at this and you're like oh shit like maybe maybe i do have a future in this and then you go and you do it again and again you bring the house down everybody's laughing everybody's loving you but then like the third time you go up and

you just fucking bomb and like you know you're like oh fuck it's like once you have to kind of contend that, like, it's not always going to feel good. There's a certain type of personality, which I feel like Elon Musk kind of fits into that's going to be like, oh, well, like, you know, who's going to basically sulk and be like, well, I didn't want to do it anyways. I've done, I've written enough jokes for now. Very sour grapes. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, Elon Musk, like you're talking about, Liv, is that it seems like he suffers from, like, yeah, this, like, common sort of, like, high-level tech entrepreneur delusion, which is that the only reason any organization has struggles accomplishing something is because they themselves have personally not attempted. Obviously, if their golden brains sort of like sort of worked on the problem, they can solve it, no problem. He must have been told by some Republican operatives, man, we really want to get this,

this Wisconsin Supreme Court election in the bag. That would help us a lot. But man, the numbers aren't looking good. And then Elon said, don't worry about it. I got it. It's like, you morons who don't work in tech, obviously can't figure it out, but I will. And then he put on the cheese hat. He came up with a possibly illegal sort of like payment scheme to try and encourage votes.

And then his preferred candidate was blown out, lost by 10 percentage points, wasn't even close. And so, yeah, sort of this fantasy, this narcissistic fantasy of that, like, he can, like, you know, just spend money and direct his attention, efforts and performance and then solve a problem was sort of blown up in that moment. Now he's very bitter. I wonder the extent to which this also relates to him getting, I guess, maybe politically outmaneuvered in the White House, feeling like he has less influence there. So it's like, why bother? Yeah. Yeah. Some sort of like palace intrigue, you know, people who are a little bit more experienced and sort of like bending the ear of the king sort of like outplayed him. I think that's, I think that's right. I mean, I feel like the height of this was when Trump was hanging out with Elon's son and Elon wasn't there. And it was like Trump had like adopted him or something. But that seems to be sort of the, the, the, the. the end of the road for Elon. I don't know it got worse from there. Now, there's a really interesting interview in the outlet Fast Company with one tech

entrepreneur who had experience working at Doge. Sahel Lavinja is the founder of the digital product platform Gum Road. And then he worked as an unpaid contractor supporting the Department of Veterans Affairs. And here's how that Fast Company article reported on his comments. Now that he's there, he says he finds himself surrounded by people who, quote, love their jobs, who came to the government with a sense of mission driving their work. Quote, in a sense, that makes the Doge agenda a little bit more complicated, because if half the government took a buyout offer, then we wouldn't have to do much more, he says, implying software can replace departing employees.

We just basically use software to plug holes, but that's not what's happening. Lavin's skills with automation, which have helped keep Gumroad lean, are what he hopes to bring to the VA. But when it comes down to it, what he's found is a machine that largely functions, though it doesn't make decisions as fast as a startup might. Quote, I would say the culture shock is mostly a lot of meetings, not a lot of decisions, he says. But honestly, it's kind of fine because the government works. It's not as inefficient as I was expecting, to be honest. I was hoping for more easy wins. I love the tech startup hubris of like everyone needs to make decisions quickly and in a stupid way like us or you just do do it quickly decisively

don't think about it too much yeah I mean what could go wrong it's only the VA right like like let's move fast and break things but yeah because like in the tech startup world like like if you like just make it make a bold decision and you like work on a wild hunch and you just take action action action like maybe you burn through some like VC capital maybe some users you know they get there they get a bad product the stakes are fairly low but we're talking talking about the functions of the federal government. The stakes are extremely high. So, yeah, unsurprisingly, it's a little more slow than a fucking startup. This guy really has become like bureaucracy pilled. I feel like he's really come to respect government employees and

red tape. Yeah. Now, according to independent journalist Don Monaghan, Lavinja was fired from Doge shortly after this interview was published. There you go. This person's all getting all kinds of lessons, like, yell, like, oh, you know, these are just people Like, yeah, it's slow and it's like, you know, it's lumbering and it doesn't, it doesn't act very quickly. But there are people who generally, you know, they believe in the mission of their jobs. And also, like, you know, if you talk honestly, but sort of like badly about Elon's sort of pet project, you're going to be out on your ass. What did they expect when they went in there? Did they just expect that like they would open the door to a conference room and it'd be like 400 NPCs, you know, crowded in there together, walking into one another.

and, you know, they had like a couple lines of dialogue and that was it. I think that these people are so young that, you know, anything that people that they idolize, they'll believe until they're, you know, faced with a situation that challenges that, you know, belief, which is, it sounds like he walked in there and there's a lot of people like, boy, I really do love what I do. Boy, I just, I always wanted, I always wanted to push these applications through and I've been doing it for 15 years. and, you know, if I can make one small difference in this world. And these kids, you know, are like, oh, it feels bad to have to tell them to their face

that, like, we're going to replace them with some kind of computer program. Like, I don't want to do that. Yeah, I feel like everything about this article makes me feel like I could sell this kid a bridge in Brooklyn. Yeah. Like, even also just thinking you could talk this way about Doge and, like, not get fired. it's very right that he could say hey good news the government isn't corrupt and inefficient we don't need doge anymore you know the other person who's had you know a big conversion is janine piro who's now the top prosecutor in dc she posted a video this afternoon where she says look at this in the government we have to pay into a collective pool to afford bottled water

you know why don't the feds have have better perks we should be getting free water and it's like wait what is that the message Is that not enough money was being spent on federal employees? This is like the energy of like finally being invited to what you believe is an adrenacrome party. And like realizing like that they just have kind of a spread of Trader Joe's snacks. Like they've just got they've got the cheese dip. They've got a couple of the, you know, they've got the dark chocolate peanut butter cups. They've got some of the things. But you're like, wait a fucking minute.

Like where's the fucking gold plate, you know, gold plated chocolates and the fondue fountain and the, you know, the hors d'oeuvre trays with like vials of adrenachrome going around. It feels like maybe this cabal, this deep state, like, in some ways, is much less pervasive and impressive as you believed it was when you were listening to somebody who had no idea what they were talking about. That is a lesson I feel like I've also learned with the second Trump admin is like, I mean, there really isn't much of a deep state in the sense that they're not stopping any of these appointments.

They're just kind of letting cash to tell be. heavy FBI, I guess it's fine. And it's working out great because he's not spilling the Epstein client list. So it's like, well, everything works. Yeah, maybe this is just how those institutions function generally. You don't need a secret cabal of people to, like, enforce it. Yeah, it turns out like health care benefits, a salary, a little bit of government clout actually go quite a long way.

Yeah, I think that, yeah, these people, I think they generally believe the reason why anyone would like work in government as opposed to Silicon Valley is because they are their cognitive lessors like they just don't they obviously they don't value their life and time and they they're not as smart and they're just don't they don't have as much agency they're just not as much they're NPCs they're not as full of a person as someone who works in Silicon Valley obviously but they win in so so they assume it would be trivially easy to use their experience as as big tech entrepreneurs to come and explain to them

why what they're doing is wrong and efficient and how to like punch it up and be like just make it make it better. There'd be lots of like you know low hanging fruit as they say in business but that just was not the case in this person's experience. How disappointing for the Q&on people

they actually got the kind of the ungetable which is a second Trump term you know full authority there's no branches of government that are blocking him. Cash Patel, Dan Bongino, you know, guys who for years have been saying that they're going to expose the deep state,

they're going to expose the cabal, all of this stuff, and then just nothing? It's really, you know, I'm glad that I am a person personally in my life that hasn't staked any kind of meaning or happiness from the cabal being exposed. I imagine that that's got a, it's got to really sting to see your guys in power and still do nothing. which leads me to believe that we will see a resurgence of QAnon because there will once again be a need amongst the base to explain why they control all levels of power and yet they're seeing zero results.

I'm surprised it doesn't come back, honestly. My prediction, and I don't like giving predictions, and I don't like saying, you know, I don't like doing this, but because Will's here, and we're in old school vibes, you know, we're back to a, we're back to a 20, 2018 kind of vibe. I will say, and I hope this doesn't happen, but I think if President Biden passes away, I think Q will return on that news because that'll be in a big event.

It's going to shock a lot of people. They'll use the, you know, he was secretly executed because that's, they did it with McCain. I feel like a big event like that could see the return of a poster claiming to be Q, maybe not the original poster. I like that bold prediction. I also think it suggests that like Biden's spirit has been keeping Q at bay, like a talisman. And when he's gone, Q'll search back. I mean, in some ways, kind of yes. I mean, in some ways, yes. Because you can't look at Biden and look at his policy and go, he's a communist. You know what I mean? Like, even people who hate communists, like can't really believe that, you know, all of the things, you know, people point at Donald Trump

they go he's a fascist he's you know he is reenacting policies that are we would have been familiar in 1930s germany and you go yeah you know you go yeah kind of yeah yeah you could make that comparison but like you know Biden he was never guilty of the thing you know that was sort of used against him and you know just saying he's old and he's sleepy it's like well no shit you know you're just essentially stating the obvious at this point so I don't know maybe Maybe he is some kind of talisman, which in case, I really wish him a speedy recovery. And hopefully, hopefully he can keep, he can keep QAnon at bay for yet another hundred years. Will, thank you so much for joining us today.

It's been a pleasure. We'll go ahead and link to that article you wrote about Pangino in the Bag of Faithful in the show notes. But where can people go and find more of your work? Yeah, I'm at Will Summer. That's S-O-M-M-E-R on Twitter or X or what have you. And Blue Sky. I'm on the bulwark.com as well as the bulwark YouTube channel every so often. And that's where I am now. And it was just such a pleasure rejoining the gang. Oh, the pleasure is all ours. Thanks for listening to another episode of the QAA podcast. You can go to patreon.com slash QAA and subscribe for $5 a month to get a whole second episode. every single week, plus access to our entire archive of premium episodes. For everything else, we've got a website. That's QAAPodcast.com.

Live, before we sign off, if people are interested in hearing more of your work, where can they find you? Yes, I have a Twitch stream that I stream on sometimes, Twitch.com, and also a newsletter at leave akar.com, and a secret other thing coming soon. Yeah, we've got some, like, cool secret stuff. stuff that none of you, none of you know about. Will knows about it, we told him before the

show. So he is, I'll give you a secret. Yeah, he is, he is, he is one of a very small, you could maybe even count it on two hands, the amount of people that know, uh, the secret thing that live is working on. And there's other hosts with secret things as well. Um, so stuff to look forward to in the QAA verse. Uh, but until then, listener, until next week, may the deep dish bless you. and keep you. We have auto-keyed content based on your preferences. Just don't sit there and tell us, oh, we've closed it, he acted alone,

we have the files. Don't, if you're going to crap on me or piss on me, don't, you know, don't rub it in and don't tell me it's raining, okay? Please, please. Just, I mean, can you not, just as a PR issue, will you stop it? Kosh and Bongino.

I know obviously, Dan, nobody's smarter than you. But if you want to go from being very popular to very unpopular and thus hurt Trump as well, just keep going. Keep going, tough guy. Okay, I'm going to stop right there. I'm getting angry. And it's very insulting the American people to say Epstein killed himself. No one buys it.

It's very insulting to say that that brainwashed mind control, classic mind control operative, act alone. Please stop. the one that trained, where the federal law enforcement trained, all that, his cell phone all around the federal building in D.C., the FBI headquarters? Stop it. If you're not going to do anything about it, just shut up about it then. But that's only going to encourage the group inside the government,

the faction, to try to kill the big guy again. Now I'm trying to create some controversy. Alex Jones turns on Trump, turns on the up, turns on Bongino. It's not that. I just, please don't insult us anymore. Please, please, please. God, I mean, it's like getting up at a dinner party and taking a dump on a plate and telling her by its chocolate ice cream. I mean, just do not do it.

Give me a headache. You know, we had a well-known, very famous private investigators that were hired by Trump's people to go spend months in Pennsylvania and investigated. And they came back and talked about the FBI pulling up and threatening them and following them and telling them to stop their investigation. and then that same FBI now is still in charge, obviously, and it's just telling us to just stop investigating. Well, we're not going to. You guys can tell us, you know, nothing to see here, crap like that, but we're not going to shut up about it.

So you can be guaranteed of that. If you want to know about it, go put the article back up, the Agman investigation into it. So that's the facts. You want them instead of what Boggino is telling people. You know,