QAA Podcast - Episode 126: Inauguration Salute feat Briahna Joy Gray & Virgil Texas

Episode Date: January 20, 2021

The two hosts of the Bad Faith podcast join us to discuss the smooth and simple transition of power in this great nation. The Capitol obviously comes up. ↓↓↓↓ SUBSCRIBE FOR $5 A MONTH SO YOU DON'T MISS THE SECOND WEEKLY EPISODE ↓↓↓↓ https://www.patreon.com/QAnonAnonymous Follow Briahna Joy Gray: http://twitter.com/briebriejoy Follow Virgil Texas: http://twitter.com/virgiltexas Bad Faith Podcast: http://badfaithpodcast.com QAA Merch / Join the Discord Community / Find the Lost Episodes / Etc: https://qanonanonymous.com Episode music by Doom Chakra Tapes (http://doomchakratapes.bandcamp.com, Matthew Delatorre (http://implantcreative.com)

What's up QAA listeners? The fun games have begun. I found a way to connect to the internet. I'm sorry, boy. Welcome listener to chapter 126 of the Q&N anonymous podcast, the pre-inoguration episode. As always, we are your host, Jake Rockatansky, Julian Field, and Travis Vue. After four years in paradise, it looks like troubles brewing. on the horizon.

Wednesday, January 20th is the date of the presidential inauguration, after which Sleepy Joe and his prodigiously sexual son will be squirting mustard full-time across the White House walls, dire times. Now, if you're a QAnon supporter, you always have the option to switch Biden to a white hat swiftly solving the problem.

Trade one secretly good president for another. Who knew being a lib could feel so good? Unfortunately, there are, here in America, some nasty creatures who would refuse to adapt. They find Biden's track record damning his mind unfit and his advisors unsavory. They refuse to go quietly into the night. These are the Bernie Bros. And some may even be listening right now. To figure out these sickly eccentrics and prepare us for the next four years of dueling ideologies, we've invited Brianna Joy Gray and Virgil Texas on the podcast. Breonna's a journalist

who's worked for The Intercept and currently works for current affairs. In 2020, she served as the national Press Secretary for the Bernie campaign. Now, Brianna runs a podcast called Bad Faith with One Virgil, Texas, a return guest and, of course, co-host of the Chapo Trap House podcast. So we're going to be getting into it with them. But before all that, QAnon News. First up, law enforcement begins rounding up participants in the capital siege. Since we recorded our episode about the siege last week, more information has emerged

about what exactly happened. It's become clear that, as awful as it was, it is a miracle that it wasn't much much worse. Many of those who participated planned and hoped for even greater violence. Some participants were militia members who were better organized than the Q&Lunes and MAGA moms. A Reuters photographer on the scene said that he heard three separate rioters say that they wanted to find and hang Mike Pence. When video taken from Parlor shows a mob storming the building and screaming, where are they counting the votes? They're going to kill them the fucking votes. Unsurprisingly, many of those.

Unsurprisingly, many of those arrested for participating in the Capitol are Q&ONF followers. For example, the FBI arrested Doug Jensen, an Iowa man who was photographed confronting Capitol Police while wearing a Q-Anon T-shirt emblazoned with an eagle in the phrase, trust the plan. Also arrested were Antonio Lomada and Joshua Marcius. These two men had previously been arrested on November 5th after they allegedly drove a Hummer, festooned with a Q&on decal, to a ballot counting center in Philadelphia while armed. They both were out. Normal outing with my friend.

Right. So those two men were, they're both out on bail, but they got arrested again. for participating in the Capitol Riot. So there's more than one QAnon Hummer because there's a Hummer here in L.A. Oh, my. There's a Q&O Hummer. The filing notes that Marcius even gave a speech as rioters stormed the building. Another arrested Q&O follower is Cleve Meredith, a car wash owner from Atlanta,

who once advertised his business with a billboard that said hashtag QAnon. Meredith intended to make it to the Capitol on January 6th, but he arrived late because of car troubles. He was nonetheless arrested because the FBI was in fact. formed that he was heavily armed and sent threatening text messages like this. Thinking about heading over to Pelosi's speech and putting a bullet in her noggin on live TV, purple devil emoji. Purple devil emoji. Yeah, this is our threatening messages.

That's just, cutesy emojis. You're joking, but this emoji is actually in history because in nexium, Keith sent a message with it after they showed him some girls like nude lined up or something like that. And they, those girls oversaw the message that came back. back that had the devil. His question to Alex and Mack was, all mine, and she responded, all yours. Oh, and then he responded

with the devil. I mean, just let's be a lesson. This is the emoji of sociopaths. Yeah, this is bad. Do not use the devil emoji. Like we mentioned in the last episode, the Q Shaman, aka Jacob Chansley, aka Jake Angelie, was arrested.

The New Yorker recently released extraordinary video of the Q Shaman walking calmly into the Senate chamber and being politely asked by Capitol Police to leave. Now, you won't be able to see this, of course, but he walks in and finds the guy who he had watched on stream getting like he had gotten shot in the face and there was like a hole in his cheek where this plastic bullet had embedded and that guy is found again laying against the kind of centered days.

Right, with like a rag over his cheek to keep it from bleeding. Yeah. He's the one that you hear saying, I kept a look on the place. I made sure like no one was fucking with it or whatever. Hey! Fucking hey, man. Glad to see you guys. You guys are fucking patriots.

Look at this guy. He's got covered in blood. God bless you. Yes. You good, sir. Do you need medical attention? I'm good. Thank you.

All right. I got shot in the face. Where is it? I got shot in the face with some kind of plastic bullet. Any chance I could get you guys to leave the Senate wing? We will. I've been making sure they ain't disrespecting the place. Okay.

Just want to let you guys know. This is like D6. This is a place. I'm out of you. Hey, fellas. Hey. This is like super sacred place. Yeah.

People always wouldn't mind just maybe. If you don't want to, you know, hey, it's cool too. It's like, oh, no, no, no. I'm not here to mess anything up. I just want a beautiful photo holding the flag behind it. Just calm down. We're just here for content, sir. This whole thing is frustrating because it's simultaneously deadly serious and completely

ludicrous. And like they, I don't know, they like, it's sort of beautiful. bewilders you because you don't know how to feel about it, if they should take it seriously or not. Yeah, this is kind of where we're at, I think. A soft, steady dissociation with short bursts of vicious, confusing violence. The Qisholman apparently did not eat for days after being taken into custody because they would not accommodate his all-organic diet. That's right. That's what he'll be remembered for is the food's rights for prisoners.

Chansley's public defender told the judge that he is on an extremely restrictive diet, perhaps for religious reasons. Maybe. However, it was reported by Newsweek that the U.S. Marshals Office will be providing Chansley his organic food following the judge's order. Oh, good. Well, good. I know. I know. Would you like them steamed? I mean, how do you like your vegetable is my man? No. According to a recent legal filing, the Q Shaman might be in more hot water than it initially appeared. a federal judge said that Chansley was an active participant in a violent insurrection that attempted to overthrow the United States government and ruled that he should not be released prior to his trial. A filing also said that he left a note for Vice President Pence that says it's only a matter of time. Justice is coming. Now, the phrase justice is coming is straight from a cue drop and is often repeated by Q&O followers.

The Q-Shawman's lawyer went on CNN in order to argue that he deserves a pardon from President Trump. because he was just acting on the president's words. And what ended up happening over the course of the lead up to the election, over the course of the period from the election to January 6th, it was a driving force by a man he hung his hat on, he hitched his wagon to, he loved Trump every word. He listened to him. He felt like he was answering the,

call of our president. My client wasn't violent. He didn't cross over any police lines. He didn't assault anyone. He was there at the invitation of our president. I mean, he's not wrong.

I mean, he did the only reason all these horrible things happens because the president invited people there and then got them all riled up. But also, this is actually the Nuremberg defense. Like, say he was just following orders. You know, there are like a ton more Q&O arrests, obviously, but like going through all of them would be tedious.

And this is really disturbing to me because like a year ago, I was able to like memorize all the details of every Qaeda arrest because there were a handful of them and they were shocking reported all of them individually on their show on the show. But now there are so many of them. I can't keep track. I need a spreadsheet. Yeah, we were just supposed to be like a guy who sees a salmon and studies this stream once in a while. You know, it's like, oh, a fish will arrive perhaps in a few days. Now they're all going upstream and mating and fucking and our lenses as photographers and people with just a small stick. I'm assuming we're nude also.

Yeah, we were not ready for this. We're not equipped. For my next story, my pillow CEO meets with Trump bearing a plan for martial law. Bearing a plan for martial law. Also wanted to replace the head of the CIA. Just going to tell you what I'd like you to do with the CIA like a week out from the end of your. It's great. So the number of powerful Trump allies continues to shrink, but there's still one person in the president's corner.

And that's my pillow CEO, Mike Lindell. Lindel is a frequent advertiser on Fox News as well as a promoter of the discredited claim that Trump had the election stolen from him in some capacity. I hear his latest gig, actually, is as a star in a Jake story on the next premium episode. Yes, you might get a secret window into the conversation. He got that role, right? might have been had that in the Oval Office. See, Jake's a nice theater director. He doesn't want to hurt Mike's feelings.

That was great, Mike. Your face looked like it was smiling like a human that is happy. But the thing, I mean, after studying, you know, too much, too many hours of Mike Lindell footage, one thing that I've come to realize about him is all the stuff that is, like, printed on that computer paper, I'm 100% sure that he thinks that God told him to write that down and that he needed to go to and that God said that, oh, this CIA director is not good. And it's a big paper to the fuck. Jake, president.

He's better. Of pillow designs just coming through his mind. And then there's an idea for who should be at the head of the CIA. Yeah. Totally normal stuff to go through your mind late at night. It's premium pillows. It's colored pillows. And we know that you can roll up and take with you on long car trips.

And then and then it's a vision of a man at the head of the CIA. Not who's currently there, but who should be. And we know what's going to happen. He's making these pillows, but as soon as the storm comes, that factory with almost no modifications will begin to create the colorful bags that they're going to black bag people with. We actually have a kind of an idea where he got these martial law ideas. Mike Lindell posted a video claiming that he was going to speak to Mike Flynn and Sidney Powell. We're heading off for this week, this historical week. I'm actually going to be meeting with General Flynn, Sidney Powell, everybody on my team.

What is stuff going on that I can't say. All I want to do is give everybody confidence that Donald Trump's going to be your president for the next four years. All this, they're very much afraid all the evidence that I know is there is going to come out this week. And everybody praying, everybody praying for protection for everybody that's standing up to these guys for our country. This is the only time we have in history to be. these guys to suppress the evil and beat the evil. This is, it's a blessing that we're time we're in. We're on election night that Donald Trump got so many votes that actually broke the algorithms of the machines.

This is all going to be revealed. If that hadn't happened, if all you hadn't voted of our country, if we hadn't all voted and his, because of this great president, those algorithms would not have broke. And he would have won. He's gone. Wait, wait a minute. His logic. Oh, by the way. He's in a private jet.

Yeah, this is Mike Lindell signing off from inside my private jet. Wait, but is he saying that because you all got out and voted, President Trump lost? No, he's saying that there were these secret algorithms that are supposed to give votes to Joe Biden. But because all of you, Trump supporters, you voted in such great numbers, you broke the algorithm and therefore you caught them in the act of stealing the election. So you basically, you revealed this fraud that would have happened. But because you're so great and mighty, you were, I mean, it's like, none of it makes sense. So, yeah, he went to the White House. He apparently came with this plan that mentioned a martial law, suggested naming Trump loyalist Cash Patel to the head of the CIA.

Yeah, like he's literally thinking about the guerrilla war that follows. The My Pillo guys. No, no. We need to secure the CIA, the D-O-D. I mean, this, how, the brain of these people, there's not, it's Candyland. How are we here? How, how is a, a pillow-pillow, a pillow king. He's a pillow king, let's be honest.

A pillow king, all of a sudden involving himself in, like, matters of, like, the highest national security and, like, instituting martial law. And, and. Because, Jake, the sales. The salesman inherited the earth. That's true. For my next story, QAnon followers regroup on alternate platforms after being kicked off of social media. So like we discussed in last episode, all social media platforms cracked down hard on Q&ON in the wake of the Capitol riot. Twitter and Facebook even cut off our big boy president Trump.

This led to former Trump spokesperson Hogan Gidley, making the absurd argument on Fox News that as a consequence of this, Trump can't speak to the people. He can't communicate whatsoever. I thought Trump would take the ban hammer and wield it like four. The media, though, are trying to have it both ways, Howie. On one hand, he should be censored by big tech and not be allowed to talk. He also shouldn't say anything because it's divisive. And then when he doesn't say anything and can't say anything because the platforms have removed him, they say, where's the president?

Why aren't we hearing from him? The whole thing's disingenuous. I mean, just the idea that, you know, he literally has a staff of people in the White House, who are dedicated to helping him get a message out, the communication stuff, full-time people who do nothing but help him communicate to the public. But he act like he has such posting brain. He's not interested in like anything besides tweeting. He's like, I don't like them. I have to submit a statement.

They tell me I've misspelled things or, I don't like it. It's better when I go direct to the people. They can interpret my misspellings as secret codes. This is a well-off guy who is, you know, has ear pods in and is being, you know, interviewed in a full suit in front of his stove. Yeah. In his kitchen. Well, where that's where do you think the baking is happening? This is symbolic, Julian, don't you know?

It's a code. That's a choice. I mean, I guess it's better than the undone bed, which is the other conservative trope. Parlor also went offline after Apple, Google, and Amazon cut them off. So that caused, you know, Q and non-followers to flee, basically. to the dark recesses. So many are simply making a ban evasion accounts on Twitter

leading to a game of whack-a-mole between QAnon promoters and Twitter moderators. They're also flocking to the encrypted messaging platform telegram. The YouTube competitors Clout Hub and Rumble and of course Gab. Gab CEO Andrew Torba continues to openly

court the QAnon community. A recent post from the GAB Twitter account makes a direct reference to a cue drop by tweeting, Dark to Light. blackout necessary. In the past few weeks, the Great Awakening Group on Gab has grown by tens of thousands of members. So this is, I mean, significant in the evolution because we're going to probably see something, I don't know, see what exactly the next stage of QAnon is, now that they've sort of been banished to the digital ghettos.

And they don't have any stuck up lives to tell them that they're stupid. Yeah, yeah. They might, I mean, the worry is that they're going to become even further radicalized or radicalize into a more militant ideology. I mean, let's find out. Yep. Better graphic design. For my next story, Q1L followers prepare for January 20th. So Biden is on the verge of being inaugurated.

So it might seem like, you know, the jig is up. But Q&O followers, nevertheless, they're pressing forward. They're hoping for the miracle. He's a white hat in the end. Yeah, something. Biden is going to be a white hat. So many are awaiting the mythical 10 days of darkness, which they think will be like a 10-day-long communications blackout.

I saw one message that went viral on telegram and other places claiming to be an update on the Q operation from someone who says that they're having a daily briefing with Trump. Dear Patriots, I have a daily briefing with POTUS and have posted here before a handful of times as a quote-unquote helper. What I'm about to disclose is the most important post you'll read before the inauguration. Q will not post here again, at least not for a while. The operation is ongoing but must run silent at this point. Once we wind down, we will not hear from Q again. Don't let this worry or upset you. We are in perhaps the most critical juncture of American history.

POTUS is fully aware of the gravity of this time period. We have prepared from before 2015 for this exact moment. I am not asking for faith in us. Q should have already used logic, reason, and multiple proofs to establish our credibility. What happens this week will change history. We are asking for you now to stay in your homes. to stay in your homes and do not, under any circumstances, interfere with the operation. You'll soon see things unfold that many would think impossible.

POTUS is insulated and 100% safe. Our plan is almost complete. The deep state has already lost. Everything you're seeing in the MSM and on Twitter is a last-ditch attempt. Why has Kamala not yet left the Senate? Where is Joe? Where is Joe really? Hunter has turned himself in.

This is like, this could be a lib-op to get people to not do any. violence basically. Stay at home. Don't do anything. Let us take care of it. Yeah, or intelligence. This was written by Travis. We asked you at the beginning to prepare. Your role is crucial and your task is to help the population deal with what is about to be revealed. Those patriots who have been here from the start will understand and recognize this directive. Remember, it is always darkest before the dawn. Do not believe the MSM over the next week. Do not for a single minute give them any credence. We have legally won that. this election and what comes next is the greatest mop-up job in the history of the world.

Patriots, we thank you. We could not have gotten here without you. Now is our time. Hold the line. You will receive no further message on this channel from us until the operation is over. At that point, the entire world will know. Thank you and God bless. Pray for us, Potus, and the United States of America. We are in the most dangerous phase and the stakes could not be higher. Military takedowns and arrests begin this weekend and will continue forward for the next 13 days and nights. Some international raids have already started. Italy has also been found complicit in our election fraud. Everyone will be getting emergency alerts on their phones, TVs, radios, and internet.

It will override all other broadcasts and could last for several hours at a time. Do not be scared of what's coming, as it is for the safety of our nation for this to unfold. Do NOT travel to any large cities, especially Philadelphia, for the rest of the month. Military operations will be taking place in many of the major corrupt cities. People will start rioting once this intel breaks, thinking Trump is a military dictator. He only has 13 days to put this dog down. But please, sir, put down my country. Take it out back and shoot it in the head.

The implementation of the Insurrection Act began after the raid on the Capitol and was marked by Trump's broadcast to the people to disband and return home. This broadcast wound up being blocked for the most part by the media. Nevertheless, his address fulfilled the requirements to initiate the act. Marines and National Guard troops are being moved as needed for the riots that will start after the national release of the Intel. The Intel will be dropped for everyone to see and hear in loops that will be several hours long. The system was just checked by the FCC a few days ago,

alerting all media that they cannot block the flow of Intel under federal regs. Trump will be moved continuously like a chess piece for, from now until the 20th in order to avoid any retaliation against him and family. But yeah, this kind of shit, I mean, it's going to start circulating now that sort of a cue has gone silent, hasn't posted a single thing since December 8th of last year, and now they're going to be these other insider anons, these other LARPs that are going to fill that voice. It's time for new Q. Yep, new Q. Other Q&N propagandists framed January 20th as the last stand for their movement. For example, here's what Q&N promoter Joe M said on Gab.

Friends, I have to go dark for a little while. This is literally the definition of precipice, if there ever was one. Next week, either Q turns out to be an elaborate, well-intention hoax promising a level of control the Patriots never had, or we are all about to watch the Red Sea part and the unfolding of a new biblical level chapter in human civilization. I believe it is the second one, because everything I have studied for the past three years points to the certainty of light, overcoming dark. Remain strong in your faith that God wins

and get ready for the world to change forever. I mean, I hope he never posts again. I mean, how could he? I mean, he's staked everything on it. He's gone all in on Trump's saying in office, and it's not going to happen. Surely you're not naive enough to think he can't post after that.

It's the QAnon movement. I know, I know, but this one, he repeatedly, I mean, it's like this one, he can sell. these people into oblivion. You're right. It's punching jello. So they think that after all of the lawsuits were overturned, after the Supreme Court ruled against Trump, and after all of this, that all of a sudden, what, breaking news, we have a two-hour-long audio doc.

Well, they don't want more evidence. What they want is a military dictatorship. Of course. They want Daddy Trump to drop the hammer and then basically put us under authoritarian rule. That's what they're waiting for. And many people want that for different reasons. The My Pillow guy wants it for different reasons than the Arizona Patriots and the Qadodon people do. But they all want the same thing, you know, which is blood.

Yeah, and to be daubed. They want to be domed so bad. Yeah. For my last story, I have an update about Marjorie Taylor Green. So I have retained legal representation in my First Amendment case against Representative Marjorie Taylor Green. He's not kidding. No, I'm not. This is true.

Found out today is not. I am being represented by Benjamin Gold of the Seattle-based firm Keller Roebuck. Benjamin Gold. That's right. Okay. So, however, it appears that my case may have to move quickly because Green recently received a 12-hour ban on posting for continuing to spread election misinformation. And if I know Green, she is not someone who is going to self-reflect or sort of throttle herself for crazy conspiracy theories just because she was put in Twitter. jail. So she may get herself banned before I even get the chance to bring the case. So, well,

I'll keep you updated on how that's progressing in my very noble, important civil rights battle that I'm going through. Yeah. I mean, don't think this is something irrelevant just because it appears like it won't have any impact. No, no, this is not about me. This is about, this is about, it's about you. The next generation. I want the next generation to breathe a little bit more freer than I could. To post a little bit, let their thumbs fly a little bit more freely over the digital keyboard. Travis works for the reply guy reading this. Brianna, Joy Gray, and Virgil, Texas are the hosts of the Bad Faith podcast.

Welcome to the show. Thank you for having us. Thanks for having us. It's a pleasure. I wanted to kick off by talking a little bit about the violent clashes at the Capitol. You know that thing that happened? The simple diagnosis of the crowd would be that they were whipped up by Trump in an attempt to overturn the election.

This was an insurrection. This was like an attempted revolution, essentially by the MAGA supporters. But I was wondering, because I've heard some discussions on your show that I found very interesting, do you have a kind of more complex explanation of how we got to that point than just the kind of cause and effect?

Yeah, well, I think we should ask ourselves if, let's say, Mitt Romney were president in 2010 and said everybody should storm the capital and take over the country, Would anybody have listened to him? If he had said and done everything Trump said in the lead up to the insurrection or whatever you want to call it, would it have had the same effect?

And I think the laughter indicates that we don't think that's the case for a number of reasons probably, right? One, because of the whole timeline of Trump and the kind of cultish following that he's been able to germinate, partly because of the economic circumstances of 2020 being different than those of 2010 or 2012 if we want to pick an election year. So I think that it is right to obviously talk about the impact of Trump. I think it's right to talk about the rise of white supremacy, right-wing extremism, all of those things. And I also think it's right to talk about the broader economic context at the same time.

And I don't think those are mutually exclusive. To be honest with you, I'm more curious as observers of the QAnon phenomenon. I'm more curious what your consensus is. Yeah, I think it's been, it has been like an internal conversation between us at the podcast, you know, what fuels this stuff. I think early on I became convinced that MAGA was a broader movement, you know, even the liberals that got sucked into Q&on, you know, the people in L.A. that are kind of influencers and didn't really fit in, were previously kind of liberal or apolitical. Those people all were for Trump. So it was like that circle of the QAnon supporters or believers was all contained within MAGA.

That there, you know, the Venn diagram does not really poke out at all. And so I do think it's, you know, you're looking at a mystic fringe in QAnon, but of something greater, whether you want to call it MAGA, but I think it gets carried on by Bobert by Marjorie Taylor Green now in Congress. Having said that, it's like, yes, you're right. If anyone else but Trump tried this, it wouldn't work. Well, and with Romney, it's because you. can't lead an insurrection if you look like you're firing someone's dad. That's a good, that's an interesting point about the, about the formerly apolitical people, even in, you know, heavily blue areas.

It's like people who have never voted before and own aromatherapy studios seem to gravitate to Q&ON. Yeah, well, this is, this is kind of the cultural point that came up on our last episode, uh, two Virgil, right? where there's a way that we kind of talk about Trump politically and then we'll talk about some of the kind of a disease of despair, white decline aspects of society in terms of a political or economic lens, but we don't just kind of broaden it out and talk about culture unless we're literally just saying white supremacy. And it never gets unpacked further than that.

You know, what makes people feel a sense of belonging, a sense of community, you know, what are the deficits that are leading people to need this to find that sense of community as opposed to maybe some of the other structures they used to rely on? The church, kind of a traditional family structure. Now that we're in COVID, we're like literally all alone. You know, how are these things? And Patrick, it's Q&I, I'm curious what you guys think. Is the Q&on phenomenon worse now during COVID because people are able to,

to isolate and perhaps not have a more stabilizing influence of non-Q friends and family. Yeah, there's a lot of evidence to suggest that as the pandemic sort of grip the country, the number of QAnon that here exploded. We could see this in the number of people who joined Q&N groups on Facebook. All of a sudden, membership in those groups grew by tens of thousands in multiple countries because, you know, people, again, they are forced indoors and they were worrying about the future and like the things that they thought was stable about the world all of a sudden weren't stable anymore. So they were seeking out alternate ways to understand what's really going on.

Yeah, I mean, even Marjor Taylor Green is kind of a product of this incubator. You know, I mean, she was a kind of more lost and tired looking person, getting, you know, kind of posting videos about Q and on completely alone and turned into this fighting machine, you know, who can like bench press all of us and is like trying to get. a gun in and is taking off her mask and her mask says, you know, Trump won anyways. So that's what I mean, I guess, about this new breed. It's a movement that goes beyond QAnon. QAnon can feed it with all these conspiracies that conveniently kind of square the circle or is it circle the square? I keep screwing this up. It's one of the two. But I remember Julia, yeah, yeah. You made a

really interesting point. I can't remember if it was the last episode, but you were saying how, you know, one thing that started to become apparent. you know, as we're starting to break down the videos and, you know, what we saw at the Capitol is that there seemed to be a sense that you have these very organized militia groups that are basically, you know, are based in white supremacist ideology, kind of, you know, in the quote that Julian said was sort of like riding the cooks in. Yeah. And, you know, I do think that there is a, there does seem, there did seem to be a split of people that were just kind of passionately there to be, you know. Yeah, who were drunk, let's be honest. Day drunk, fucked up after listening to Trump, their favorite concert, and then they, it's literally like a basketball, like a group of basketball fans or baseball fans just trashing a city because they won or something. Right, right, right.

I mean, in this case, I guess they feel like they won, but they took the title from them, I guess. But the basketball fans are sort of followed up by militants who want to do serious damage to the health of the country. What's funny is those are easy to identify. The Arizona Patriots had a strong presence there. We've seen them at the Stop the Vote rallies at Maricopa County. They are there very literally kind of tolerating the cooks. They might have some light Q&N beliefs, but they are highly organized. And they're debating whether the rhinos will let them in at all or whether they have to run on their own platform.

So they have real, I guess, politically material goals. And I think that's why I wanted to transition a little bit to talking about Marjorie Taylor Green and Bobert, who are kind of two of the first properly pilled, whether you want to say Q&ON, whatever. It doesn't really matter at this point. They are extreme right to the point where Steve King looks, you know, like a wimp. So, you know, as kind of more anchored in the political sphere than in the, you know, fantasy conspiracy theory sphere like us, like what does it, what does it look like to you just, you know, like from a layperson's perspective to have these people walk into Congress and start to interact with other Congress people? Well, Marjorie, isn't she, isn't her district one of like the top 10 most Republican district? in the country.

You know, it's, so I don't want to, I don't want to over, draw any, overdraw any conclusions from her ability to be successful in a district like that where she won by what, like 75% or something like that, you know, but there obviously is a tolerance for this sort of thing. And I think that people who think that getting rid of Trump is getting rid of the phenomenon are wrong. I think the earlier point about there being cultural narratives holds. Those people will go away when we find a substitute narrative that manages to explain the world in a satisfactory way and offer some solution that seems more realistic and accessible than, you know, pedophile rings and pizza parlors and what have you. And I'm not over, I'm not super optimistic about that piece,

you know, which makes me believe that we will get more people like this, at least in deep at districts where, you know, they're viable. Right, that, yeah, the fact that Marjorie Taylor Green beat out a bunch of other Republicans who were just running on kind of your standard, you know, she did a kind of classic, like, you know, what they accuse, like, AOC of doing. She was insurgent in her own party. She beat, uh, uh, she didn't beat him hard enough the first time around, but it was like 20 points, but, but she went to the runoff and then beat him by even more.

Right. And there was, there was a media campaign to try to accuse her of being like anti-Semitic. There was state. There was stuff. They threw some stuff at her. And Minority Leader McCarthy against Marjorie Taylor Green while she is running, trying to derail her campaign. They all failed.

But then she got the Trump shot out, right? Yes, that's exactly it, right? So that's the new, that's MAGA. That's the new thing, right? It's almost like a different party inside the party that's slowly eating its way through it entirely. Yeah, I'm almost jealous. I wish we could have something like that. I know, right?

God damn. Who wasn't who we were talking to that said the difference between like QAnon, QAnon and like, you know, the left was that the Republican Party actually listens to QAnon and actually takes some policy like from them. They cut him some slack here and there. They humor them. I have to think that for someone like Marjorie Taylor Green, the real fear and the real outrage of this person is that she is more authentically conservative than someone like Mitt Romney or Mitch McConnell or Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz. giving you mind that guys like Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio and Pat Tooby, these were elected as Tea Party, you know, insurgent, far right challengers, and they became the new establishment of the Republican Party. Someone like Marjorie Taylor Green simply reflects the desires of the base of the Republican Party, this reactionary base. And I think the horror about her from other politicians, for instance, isn't that she does these stunts of, you know, holding a, you know, bring a gun to the Capitol or wearing a mask that says, fuck you on it or something like that.

It's that she is someone who channels, effectively channels the energies of the Republican base, but she's not faking it. She's not, you know, just patronizing the base. She's not just pandering to the base. No, she really believes the stop. Yeah. She's pilled. And how do you know? Yeah.

Yeah. And to me, the evidence of that is that these kinds of figures are willing to be like openly hostile and oppositional to the Republican establishment. Like this is, this has become my obsession is to look, my new litmus test is is the person who is the insurgent willing to actually name names and be openly critical of the person in the party? Because what we, you know, just saw on the left was an unwillingness to do so. right? We had this unique opportunity where, you know, the progressives had enough numbers. We worked and we organized and we voted and we got these people into office. Now there's enough of them to oust Nancy Pelosi or make any number of demands. And there's an unwillingness to even say, you know, I'm not wild about her.

Yeah. You know, and I, you know, it's, it's frustrating because it's not that they respect the, Republicans respect this wing of the party, but they're afraid of them. Yeah. And there's a real unwillingness on the left to have anybody be afraid. There's a real, like, pick me, pick me culture. Like, I just want you to like me. And we saw that a little bit, even with Bernie, sometimes I think 2016 had more of that bite to it. There was a clear antipathy for Hillary Clinton. There was a willingness to call her out, call her corrupt, you know, and paint a broader narrative about how both parties have failed you. The system is broken. We need people who are unbought and unbossed to come. how men and actually fix it. And that narrative makes sense because it's true. And then in 2020, when you have less of the emphasis on corruption, less of the emphasis on corporate greed, clearly less antipathy for Joe Biden as a human being, a willingness to call him his friend, an unwillingness to say that he is corrupted, well, then you don't have that same neat

narrative. There's less bite and I think ultimately you end up being less successful. But for some reason there's this ongoing delusion on the broad left. I mean, just look at this most recent you know, article CNN announcement from like an hour ago. You know, the top two Senate leaders are nearing a power sharing agreement to hash out how the divided chamber will operate. Like, they're just all hanging out. With someone like, you know, at the breeze point, with someone like Marjorie Taylor Green, I don't think she's going to be under any pressure to be in, to call out her colleagues or be in conflict with her party. I think she's because she's going to be in the minority, because the Democrats control both houses of Congress and the presidency, she's going to be voting

with Kevin McCarthy 99% at the time. There's not going to be any dissension in that caucus. And I mean, obviously when she was running originally in that primary runoff, the establishment didn't like her. And they largely supported her opponent. But once she got the nomination, they wouldn't disavow her because that is the message that you have to communicate to your base if you want your base to come out. And in that regard, Trump has been very good for the Republican Party because he has managed to unify that base and keep that base together even when they're uninspired by people like Lindsay Graham or Mitch McConnell. Well, Virgil, what do you make of the fact that, you know, there are, sure, most people vote in line

with our party most of the time, generally speaking, even people like Bernie Sanders. But there are Republicans devoted to overturn the results of the election and the Republicans who weren't. I mean, there are these instances, these like fringe issues that come up where push comes to shove and we get down to brass tax and some other, you know, 50-year-old's metaphor that I tend to overuse. And you have to, you know, people are revealed and they become these kind of like tension, inflection points for people to show.

whether or not they're like the real deal or not. So I agree with you. But that's all the theater, right? Yes. The votes on overturning the election. Everyone, every single person who voted to sustain that objection during the electoral college count knew that there is not a, there's a zero percent chance that, you know, the actual, that the election would be overturned.

They're all doing it to panic. My argument is that theater matters. Theater matters in terms of galvanizing your base. Theater matters in terms of making your voters feel like they, that you're fighting for them? If we want to kind of understand why, despite Trump, there is this, you know, fealty to him and to the Republican Party, I think it might have something to do with the fact that at the end of the day, it does feel like they are fighting tooth and nail against public opinion, against the quote unquote liberal media and all of these things

to deliver on the narrative that they've sold. We hate the narrative. It's a stupid narrative. It's not true, obviously. But they seem to be fighting to deliver, whereas I am really struggling to find, moments where I felt that way about Democrats, outside of perhaps, okay, they really rallied hard on our pushing for impeachment. Mm-hmm. You know. But is, but do you think, do you, do you think when Ted Cruz votes to sustain the objection to the electoral college count, do you think he's actually fighting or that he is just

pandering and looking to a presidential run in 2040? I don't think it matters. The point is that the pandering and the, and the theatrics of it matter. I mean, this is the argument. I'm sorry. I make every conversation about this now. I really apologize. It's fine.

But this is the argument for force the vote, right? Like, this is the argument. Like, you can, you know, reasonable minds can disagree about the long-term effect of that kind of pageantry. But I think it's wrong. I mean, here we are. It's Martin Luther King Day. I think it's wrong to ignore the effect of, um, optics of seeing people water hosed in

the streets and dogs attacking them and Evan Pettus Bridge and all of the like and the lunch counters and well-dressed, nice, well-behaved black kids getting, you know, milkshick spat in their face and all of that stuff. Like, it started. to change the white America's ability to buy into the narrative that everything was okay. And I think there's a lot of

power in that kind of pageantry and part of my frustration I think partly because I'm a comms person with a comms focus is that there's not enough respect and appreciation of how far that kind of stuff can get you. And also I think there's there's an added element to that of

people taking as reality the first thing that they see that sort of aligns with their own personal belief system. So if you have some person seeing Ted Cruz or whatever saying, I overturned, then they can be like, well, there was a real, a real guy and he really said then we shouldn't, you know, we shouldn't over. I mean, not convinced Ted Cruz is a real guy, but go ahead. So much of what we see with QAnon, especially when we go like on, you know, undercover and then inevitably get made, you know, at all of these Q rallies that we've gone

to is they all approach Travis and they go, hey, hey, man, like, you know, this is real. Like, this is a real thing. Like, it is real, you know. And I've even heard some, you know, QAnon supporters say, well, well, somebody, somebody is posting the drops. Yes. And those are real. So, yeah, so that's it. So Ted Cruz is posting the drops by doing the theater vote. He really did. He was up there. That is an interesting way to look at the storming of the Capitol. What I, you know, what I'm focused on is this liminality between what is posturing and what is real. And that was the moment when the four years of MAGA bullshit and QAnon bullshit became real and had a real world effect. And I'm not counting, obviously, the violence that Q&ON supporters

have done in the past, and they have committed acts of violence, or the violence that reactionaries and white supremacists have committed. These are more lone wolf things than something that is specifically molded and directed by the president of the United States. and I think when you look at the actual composition of the people who went there it's a mixture of like you said there's some of the organized militia types who aren't necessarily Q and on

they come from a slightly different reactionary tradition in this country but then you have a lot of people who are there freaking to getting clout they're all pretty much like 80% of the people there were live streaming it on D-Live or YouTube or whatever the fuck fucking racist, you know, streaming services now.

YouTube is the racist one now, yeah. You're right. And they get, you know, they sweep into the Capitol. And I guarantee most of the people who are in that crowd, you know, had convinced themselves that, you know, we're stopping the steal, right? You know, like, we're actually doing something. But had deep down inside felt, well, we're actually just going to show up and we hoot and holler and make a bunch of noise and then go home, right?

Like we always do. And then once they go in there, they don't know what to do. Yeah. Right. They have no idea what to do, except just screaming into, like, if you, you know, if you read on this show some of the indictments of the, of the people who storm the Capitol, some of them included transcripts of what they were live streaming. And it was just like, like, hey, I'm here in the Capitol, you know, hit that like button. Full name. Yeah, here's my full name and my, here's my social security address.

Here's my home address. where you can normally find me. Here's my contact list. And they had no idea what to do. And it's just kind of like egging each other on because in some degree QAnon isn't something that Trump instigated. It is kind of a,

at least the way I conceive of it as, it's a delusion that, it's a collaborative delusion. It's not directed by any one force. It's certainly not directed by Q because the stuff that Q posts is actually just really mundane and stupid stuff. It's paranoics and people who have,

given themselves some form of pathology by being on the internet, just collaborating on greater and greater and more extreme and bizarre explanations of the world because they simply don't have the analytical tools to understand the society. When QAnon first, you know, hit the scene, you know, we would talk about it on my sister's show, Chapo Trap House. And the consensus that we had is this is a heuristic that people use to explain the world, to explain good and evil, to explain why, you know, hey, Trump won, we won, right? And he's not putting the bad guys in prison. He didn't lock Hillary up or anything like that. So we had to invent increasingly implausible and

baroque stories. And then this, and I would agree with Bree here that this was accelerated drastically during the pandemic, not just because people are isolated, but because people need an explanation for the pandemic itself. Yeah. That's not a real. thing. That's not something that happens in America. So that's something that happens in the first world. That's not something that happens in white Tony suburbs. That's something that happens to

other people. And fuck, I forget where I was going with this one. No, that was beautiful. I always forget, I mean, can we, I don't know, can you splice in me with a good conclusion? Sure. Julian's a great editor. I forget where I started. Okay, how about this? You can splice this one in. And there you have it.

Who folks, and that's how it's done. That's how the pros do it. This is how the podcasting sausages remain. Well, let me follow that up. It does feel like there's going to be a kind of shock doctrine period now after this capital thing, because we already did see, I guess, some people who are supposedly even progressive leftists, you know, calling for, oh, remove this person from this platform or those kinds of things. So we have seen that start and then, you know, obviously temper as tempers cooled.

And so after that, I mean, I'm kind of worried that the surveillance state, the state that is constantly collecting information, that is constantly expanding the amount of intelligence agencies that overlook us, are we going to see, I guess, a further expansion of that? And also kind of second part to the question, do you think this sprawling intelligence apparatus contributes to, the failures of electoralism in its kind of purest sense? I mean, I think we all share that concern. We all see the writing on the wall. We're all old enough to have remembered post-9-11 politics. We all understand that the president-elect is an architect of some of that or cheerleader of a lot of that. And it's a concern.

It's also frustrating to not see more people raising that flag and see even people on the left who seemed to be using the shocked doctrine moment to press for not the things that I would want to be a priority in this moment, right? It's not only that they, some of them are leaning into this idea of expanding the surveillance state, it's that this is an opportunity for us to talk about any number of things, right? Including the kinds of subjects that might even, again, start to provide a better narrative for the people at the Capitol and start to stem the tide of this insanity. Right? Imagine if someone came out and said, and I know, I'm really, this is like fantasy stuff. I know how cooking this sounds. But what if somebody came out and said, okay, let's impeach Trump fine. At the same time, we need to deal with diseases of despair. We are going to launch an opioid pandemic program that's tied in with this emergency Medicare for all that Bernie Sanders is going to start pushing for. To say, we have not done your community service. We haven't done rural white communities.

service. We haven't done rural black community service. We haven't done urban community service. And it's time for us to really use the power of the federal government to help the people as opposed to continuing this kind of nonsense that everybody that has made everybody so frustrated with elected politicians. Like the podium is there. Everyone's looking to government for leadership right now. Everyone's staring at their TV all day long. Well, some of them are staring because they want those heads removed from their bodies. That's the problem. It's that people aren't looking like for leadership. They're like, fuck you. I think that's the standard American response

to the average politician they would just pop up on TV is fuck you. But here's the thing. Like I think it's really easy to be like, fuck you to a squad member that's saying impeach the president. And like, I don't have to say that they shouldn't say that. But it's obvious that if you get on TV

and you're like, Donald Trump's the worst man, we're going to impeach him. And you already have a certain mind frame. You're going to be like, oh, this proves everything, every conspiratorial thought I ever thought I've ever had. We're going to impeach him twice? What? This is nuts.

They just really have a vendetta out against this man. If they were to say that, coupled with something else, like, I'm actually going to give you this $2,000 check and not renege on it. I'm also going to provide you with all these other programs. I'm going to deal with industrial decline in all these cities. I'm going to start actually validating some of Donald Trump's critique of trade. Right. And it makes it harder for you to not see someone as a full human being.

I don't mean to be overly naive or pollyana about it. I don't expect there to be a change overnight, but there's a real credibility crisis. And we talked about this version a little bit on the last episode. There's a credibility crisis because people are so balkanized. They get their news from different places. They socialize separately. And I think by unbulcanizing our language and marrying some of the things we want, like say, impeachment with some of the things that would actually benefit people, it is really hard to vilify people in the same way.

And you heard that a lot when Republicans, conservatives talked about Bernie Sanders. I might not agree with the guy. I don't agree with his plan to get there. But I think he means what he says and I respect him for fighting for it. I just want to say that maybe we'll get to this later in the conversation. But I just want to say with this impeachment thing, it really feels like the Democrats or the dog that caught the mail truck. Because now they have no idea what to do with this.

They literally have an impeachment bill. It's a little physical thing that they've got to transmit to the Senate. And they're like, maybe we'll do it in six months. maybe we'll do it right before the Senate's going to vote on Medicare for all and then we'll just transmit it there and it becomes a privileged a privileged

piece of debate that means you can't discuss anything else except for impeachment but I want to go back to your original question and it's really hard to have a measured response about this. It really does kind of feel like post 9-11 right

because I don't want to minimize what happened at the Capitol building five people died and it was a dangerous event and if you're someone like that was hated broadly by this group of people like I don't know

like Ilan Omar someone who's been vilified by bigots for an entire political career you know that could have been a matter of life or death absolutely totally and so again I don't want to minimize that

but I also want to point out that what we saw was not a coup and was not close to a coup no there was no chain of events short of the Joint Chiefs of Staff coming in saying, you're right, yeah, get this Biden guy out of there. That would have resulted in an actual coup against the government that would have resulted in overturning the election.

Yeah, and the coup has to be, like has to replace the government with something. Like you don't just, you can't, like you said, they took the building and they were like, well, what happens? No one's going to, I can stand up there behind the dice, but no one's listening to me. You know, I'm not being captured by C-SPAN. No one's transcribing my shit. I don't think that they can actually understand how much infrastructure. is around them and how powerless they are.

They reach the core of the onion. They peel back all the layers, and there's nothing there. There's nothing there at the core of the power. There has been an infrastructure in this country to deal with emotional protests, large protests, protests with the potential for violence. We know that because it has been deployed against Black Lives Matter for the past decade. It has been deployed against the left, against labor organizers, against anti-war protesters for my entire life.

And that makes it transparently clear that we don't need new security measure. We don't need new anti-terror legislation targeting white supremacists, targeting QAnon, or whatever, because they already have the legislation. They already have the powers. They have this unrestrained surveillance state, where even when they break the law, But nobody, you know, even if they do an illegal surveillance on an American citizen, well, nobody ever pays a penalty for that, ever. Even when they torture someone, nobody pays a penalty for that ever. So it's pretty clear that our gigantic security state is capable of acting unimpeded against potential domestic terror threats.

Well, the wild part is that they really think, they really thought that the police and the National Guard and whatnot were going to be on their side. You know, they were, they were completely dismayed. You know, the one, the pepper spray woman, oh my God, they pepper sprayed me. Well, Honeybun, like, what did you think was going to happen? Like, I mean, your point is correct, obviously, but I think that part of the delusion, and this is, I mean, I find this part to be fascinating. In some way, it is a complete and total validation of everything Black Lives Matter and every other, like racial equity group has been arguing forever about the. alliance between the police state and kind of, like, white interests. But on the other hand, you know, even I am shocked by how deeply these white people

believe, like, they really, really, really believe the cops are going to, like, turn and, like, link arms with them and march Wizard of Oz style into the capital. And, you know, apparently some of them did. Apparently some of them did. Yeah, that's the real danger is the actual security forces. Right. I mean, but the idea that the entire, like, U.S. military was going to turn around. I'd be like, oh, yes, this, 100%.

You from, you know, drive up from Pennsylvania or whatever. To stop Joe Biden. I'm going to follow you into the abyss. Yeah. But to the point of, you know, the idea of a new domestic terror bill, you know, a Patriot, too, I don't know if you've seen the photographs from the U.S. Capitol right now where my colleague Bree is currently stationed, hunkered down near the green zone, where some. Someone pointed out earlier that there are more troops there than there are in Iraq and Afghanistan, Syria combined. It is, I mean, it's security theater, isn't it? It's a classic overreaction to what was a serious event where there were profound security failures that need to be investigated and need to be, you know, figured out exactly what went down there and why they didn't actually have the security for these, you know, violent types who, you know, said we're going to go to the Capitol.

we're going to fuck shit up. And they've been saying that for freaking weeks. Just go on, you know, go on any social media website and you can see that. It's not something you have to even tap a fucking phone line to find that out because these guys are all live streaming it. It's, you know, it's humiliating, isn't it? That this is how the transfer of power looks. This is how the Biden administration is going to be ushered in in a militarized D.C. That looks like lower Manhattan on the day after 9-11.

It looks like the green zone in back. Baghdad. And to the point of whether there will be a, you know, new, you know, domestic terror laws or things like that, I genuinely don't think so because I don't think the votes are there for it. I do think there could be, it's possible that there would be a shift in the priorities of the surveillance state. But that would not be a shift away from surveilling Black Lives Matter activists or Antifa or Muslims. It would just be, well, we're just going to tack on some Q and on people and call it a day. But otherwise, it should be pretty plain to everyone that there's not a need for any new legislation or new surveillance powers, a new law enforcement powers. And also, I also, you know, I want to add to this point about security theater. Honestly, it was ridiculous that they put magnetometers in the portal to the house chamber. Does anyone really believe that Marjorie Taylor Green is going to walk in there and just shoot someone? I don't know, Virgil.

I don't know if I, look, security theater maybe, but if the theater again projects a message to some people who might otherwise have come to the Capitol to, you know, not try it because they're going to fail. I don't know that when something like what happened on January 6 happens, you can be too blasé about what. it still might occur. And so I have no sense of, I mean, I literally haven't stepped outside since I got back to D.C. So, like, I have no real sense of how dramatic this team as compared to, like, 2008, which was the last time I was in D.C. for an inauguration. But, you know, I'm not mad at that.

And Marjorie, she seems like, I'm sorry. Yeah, no. I wouldn't put it past her. And maybe she doesn't plan to go in there and blow people's heads open. But the idea that she would bring a gun and that her colleagues would feel uncertain about what she's going to do with it, I personally, if I worked there, wouldn't hate her being kept from doing that just based on what we just saw happening. Moreover, you know, to your earlier plate, Virgil, Joe Biden was talking about funding the police more in the middle of the Black Lives Matter protests in like June. So the idea that there aren't, there isn't like a bipartisan interest in expanding the surveillance state and it's expanding police power. I don't know.

I'm a little less sanguine on that one. Well, there is one. There definitely is one. But right now, the impetus is liberals who are afraid of the right. And based on how tight the margins are in the Congress, I don't think, you know, a comprehensive, you know, fuck the right, Patriot Act type thing is. could possibly pass. And also, I'm adding to that, I mean, I'm also using as, you know, my key argument here, the fact that when a guy went into an elementary school in Connecticut,

slaughtered a bunch of children, we didn't pass any ganty gun legislation in this country. I think any kind of legislation that seems to reign in a reactionary white minority is not going to pass muster. Also, I think that, you know, when people are sort of planning their crimes on message boards and posting their crimes as they're happening, I think that any more intelligence about what these people are doing is really redundant. Yeah. Oh, it's redundant. But we're talking about the shock doctrine. We're talking about people exploiting a moment.

Yeah, no, I agree. To get what they couldn't otherwise get, you know. I agree. And I don't think that they would really do it along partisan lines. It would just be everyone going, yay, cops. Like, yay, more guns, more. I mean, more funding. I agree with that.

It wouldn't be fucked the right. You're definitely right. It would not be partisan because that's only the right that gets away with doing stuff like that. I have friends. I'm sorry. It's not going to be something that is going to impact the rights of someone who was the, you know, the vice president of a realtor company who, you know, storm the Capitol. Because that's the sort of person that the anti-terror legislation has been sold our entire lives to protect.

Yeah. Well, their jet skis are dating. Dangerous. So I wanted to ask you guys a little bit about something we call Blue Anon. Now, this is a phenomenon that is manifesting more and more. It's a belief system structurally similar to QAnon, except the bloodlust is directed at Trump and his entourage, and the people all believe that he's imminently going to be arrested or even sometimes executed. And so we've seen them displace this rage also onto the Capitol rioters, like just having like

There's a Reddit group called like capital consequences or something like that. Like just something, and it's, of course, just libs, just all tattling, tattling, tattling. So we've seen a bit of that. But do you think it's likely that any of their enemies will end up behind bars, whether that's the QAnon people or Trump or his entourage? I mean, they've all been pardoned the ones that were gotten by the famous and amazing Mueller report. Wait, so BluAnon is, oh, it's like, that's a Q&O for Democrats. That's okay.

I was thinking it was like when Q&N on gets sad. Okay. Because I know that there have been, you know, in recent days, some of the Q&O people turning on Trump as well. Wow. Okay, do I think that Trump will be behind bars? No. Yeah.

I'll put a marker down on that one too. No, he will never see the inside of a jail cell. He might be indicted. That's possible. it would be totally unprecedented but it's theoretically possible it would probably pose some big constitutional challenge but I don't think

you know he leaves office this week and you know like right after Biden sworn in you know the the G men come down and they slap the cuffs on Trump for disrespecting the constitution I don't think that's something that's going to happen I mean he is like a crook and involved

all kinds of shady shit he's rapist so you know there might be some kind of state level thing but at the end of the day No, I don't think he, I think he's a free man for the rest of his life. In terms of QAnon, I mean, well, is Blue Anon, I mean, are they just trying to, is this like the kind of snitch thing? And they're just trying to identify. They're hoping these people will go to jail for a very long time for like, insurrection and sedition and shit like that. Okay, that's interesting.

But, okay, that's interesting. Virtual, they're making points where they're like, you know, where they're saying like, I believe in the coming weeks, you know, Donald Trump and Ivanka will be arrested. I mean, it's the same, I mean, very same pattern as the QAnon posts. Yeah, triple. But I do want to say this, for all of the talk and outrage of the capital storming and for Trump, and for the members of Congress, the Republicans like Ted Cruz or Josh Hawley, who voted to sustain the objections to the electoral college count, as seditionists, as traitors to the United States, one of, I think, three crimes that's actually specified in the Constitution.

If you read the indictments, if you look up the title that the people who stormed the capital, the ones who are unarmed anyway, that's carrying a weapon, you know, that's a different crime. If you look up the title that they've been indicted under, it carries a one year maximum prison sentence. And it's stuff like failing to, it's like going where you're not supposed to. It's stuff like raising your voice in the capital. Look at, look at the actual indictment. And I'm not a lawyer. You know, Bree handles all the legal matters on the show.

It's like you see these, I read these indictments and I think of, well, the freaking Black Lives Matter protesters face it like 20 years for being on a fucking sidewalk. Yeah, there's people from the summer's protests who are still in jail. Yeah. So I will say that, you know, not, I'm not talking about the, you know, the militia guys who brought like a shitload of guns to D.C., which is hyper-legal. No, they'll probably face, you know, bigger. sentences. But like for your average imbecile who just showed up there to live stream or TikTok themselves in Nancy Pelosi's office or whatever and they just get hit with those two counts, I think that they will face at most one year in prison five years probation. I think

that's going to be the penalty for what everyone is calling sedition. Eric Siegel, who is a constitutional lawyer who we've had on our show before, has been ranting and raving on Twitter about this very point. He's like, Like, they messed up the last impeachment by picking the wrong issue to go after and they're doing it again. And at a certain point, you have to stop thinking that they're just hapless or dumb or bad at their jobs. At a certain point, that excuse doesn't just, that it doesn't quite gel anymore. Unless you just have an extremely low opinion of people who have managed to get to the highest echelons of our political system. I think the fact that most of these people will not face serious consequences.

consequences. By serious, I mean the consequences that there should be for actual sedition or treason. I think that makes the event a victory for them. I really do. Because, you know, look, I'm not saying it's pleasant to spend a year in federal prison or beyond probation or died or anything like that. But I'm saying like that actual legal charge is not commensurate with what they are. supposed to have done and it means that if you are the one of the morons wearing uh fucking dress like john snow uh just like sitting with your feet up in nancy pelosi's office and you know you don't go you know you don't end up in prison for 20 years for trying to overthrow the government or trying to you know kill nancy plossey or whatever uh then that means you you you know you manage to profane the capital and And this is, you know, again, this was not a coup. It was a symbolic act.

He managed to profane the Capitol and get away with it effectively. And then you and then go and then go back to do whatever, you know, to, you know, get out of prison and, you know, keep doing right wing shit. Do you think that's true even though that many, many of them expected no consequences at all? They thought that the cops would simply part from them and they would basically stop Biden from being elected and go back to the regular lives. Yeah. I mean, it's, I continue to think that's, that's just kind of the best part. I mean, I would love to talk to somebody. I mean, they love to incriminate themselves anyway,

so maybe they would just come on the show. Maybe you guys should be one of these people. We'll get you the Q Shaman. Yeah, yeah. We actually represent them now. So do you know Q? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely, definitely, definitely.

We had a Star Trek episode in which I was trying to explain one of the best villains on Star Trek, who was also named Q to Virgil. And we had a little bit of a miscommunication on this. I'm forgiven. My brothers and sisters of the continuum have taken me back. I'm immortal again, omnipotent again. Swell.

Don't fret, Riker. My good fortune is your good fortune. Kill. But I feel like celebrating. I don't. That's right. We have some questions about that, specifically Star Trek. But we also have a listener sent in a question.

All of them were very bad that you sent in listeners, obviously. But there was one. One decent one, and it was simply, Virgil, have you ever snorted adrenachrome by accident thinking it was ketamine? I have never snorted anything by, well, I've never snorted adrenachrome. Thank you for the straight answer. And tell listeners a little bit about your podcast. I really enjoy the dynamic between you two. Your podcast is kind of teaching me to listen to podcasts where people disagree with each other in a constructive,

away, which is, I guess, kind of rare these days, but tell us about bad faith. That's a nice thing to say. That's what I want people to be saying about us. Wait, who's this? No one's disagreeing with me on the show, you know. I insist that everyone agree with me at all times and defer to my opinion. Even when it's, you know, even if it's baldly wrong and flies in the face of all available evidence. The reason why you can sneak that in is because Virgil never listens to the episodes afterwards. So yeah, they do leave in the opposing viewpoints virtual. I'm sorry. Wow, you know a lot about the lore back thing, don't you?

Yeah, I mean, we do try for that. I think like a lot of folks on the left were trying to figure out what the path forward is kind of like post-Burney. And there are a lot of conflicting views on that. There is this, you know, infighting that the left is famous for. And I would like to think that this is a place where people could come and make arguments in good faith and know that they're going to be taken seriously. And there's not going to be all this weird like, oh, but you're only saying that because you're a grifter and there's ulterior motives to everything. And we can actually get to the substance of this stuff and work through it together without just posturing and pretending like we all know the right answer in theory. Exactly. I think that is

definitely missing from the discourse. The ability to be uncertain, the ability to look at a gray area and to not really be certain where your opinion is or even need to fully form it because is it, you know, is it existentially fully formable is sometimes a question around certain beliefs or certain areas. But yeah, I really appreciate the podcast.

Yeah. I wanted to call the show Gray Area. Actually, but Virgil thought that was too Brianna-centric. Yeah. Well, yeah. So true. Yeah. Yeah, I wanted to call the show Texas T.

Brie shot that one down too. I'm going to use that. for my syndicated newspaper column yeah uh i would i would i would say of our show it's uh it's a real classy joint and we have some of the leading uh artists and intellectuals of our time appear and uh you know where we uh you know we sit in the parlor and uh we make quips with each other it's kind of a modern day algonquin round table yeah so it's very approachable and i this is a yeah and and this is a So where can they find bad faith? Well, you can find bad faith anywhere podcasts are sold,

but especially at patreon.com slash bad faith podcast. You know how to spell all those words. They're not weird. You can subscribe to our show for $5 a month and get an exclusive premium episode every week that we're told is often of higher quality than the free episodes that we put out and people constantly tell us,

you should make this one free. And it's like, well, no, then how can I do this pitch? you might make that one free. We just did a brilliant one with Corey Robin, one of the Terrence Ray from the Trill Billies, and Tony Boswell from Minion Death Cult. If those words mean something to you,

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are a visual learner and you just enjoy seeing our beautiful faces, because we are a beautiful show, go to oh my God, I always forget I need that. I'm virtual making Google on YouTube. Probably YouTube.com slash bad faith pod. I think that

If they can't figure it out thus far, Virgil, they're going to have some trouble with, like, your opinions or the words you use. So they know you're beautiful. Why would they have trouble with me? They love you from the last podcast. Have some confidence. That's a deadpan salesman if I've ever seen one, you know?

God, what a failed pitch. Embarrassing. I'm going to have to cut all of this out. We don't talk about her. I'm the other woman, and I don't love it. All right, buddy. All right, buddy. next time when you come on our show you're going to get the business would be would be a pleasure and i will i will come with the tar so you could feather me you just you could just throw the feathers directly i want to move on to star trek folks uh you've both heard the star trek captain question you've both answered it but who is your overall favorite star trek character uh brie and virgil you can answer with your favorite american dad overall favorite character is you know really hard

I might have to just go with Lieutenant Wharf, partly because my childhood dog was named Lieutenant Wharf, and I just have a deep emotional connection to him. In terms of villain, I do love Q. I love Q. End this. What makes you think I'm either inclined or capable to terminate this encounter? If we all die here, now, you will not be able to gloat.

You wanted to frighten us. We're frightened. You wanted to show us that we were inadequate? For the moment. I cried that. You wanted me to say, I need you. I need you! Another man would have been humiliated to say those words.

Another man would have rather died than ask for help. I understand what you've done here, Q. But I think the lesson could have been learned without the loss of 18 members of my crew. If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. I love every cute episode. I will rewatch them to, like, rock myself to sleep at night during these hard times.

And also, I will admit to having all of my childhood, were from deep space nine episodes so I had a real thing for Julian Bashir and I had a real thing for Jake Sisko oh my partner told me that Julian Bashir was good looking and I did not understand and now I'm seeing that this is it's spreading the man is asexual for I was first of all you're talking about like I was like a 13 year old or something so there's a certain appeal to that kind of adolescent quality that he has right right charming and I get it yeah he's smart he's smart he's powerful I'll give

I'll give you my answer. I'll give you both answers, actually. So I've only seen a few episodes of the next generation. Looking forward to seeing more. I would say number one. And, you know, I can't really put Picard in the same group as everyone else because he's the leader. So I will say it's Riker. I find him a very suave, calming presence. Yes.

I'm shocked by that, Virgil. That's the most Chad answer in the world. I did not expect that. He's a helpful. His beard is palpable. We need you to do a retake, but you need to say, well, Riker, but obviously his connection to Troy is like a character in and of itself. And so it's really about, you know, the way they work together, a bit like my podcast

that you can bring it back to bad faith. I have not seen a Troy centric episode, so I'm looking forward to seeing that. I find her an interesting character as well. She's great. My favorite American dad character, and this is a very controversial. she'll pay is Klaus. Okay. Really?

Yeah. Well, it's cool that Klaus Kinski got on that show. I will say since we're on the subject of Star Trek that Gates McFadden, who played Dr. Beverly Crusher, did humiliate me in front of a large group of people, IRL at one point in my life. Acting teacher. Wait. She was her acting teacher? Well, she was, she studied like a professional clown school. She was like a Lecoq clown pupil.

pupil. No way. And so she came to my university to do like an adjunct, um, an, I can't believe I'm telling you guys this story. No, keep going, man. I know how this goes. You're in it now. Um, so she came to do like a semester where she went college. Yes, yes. So, yes. So we did a, we did a California clown college. Yeah, we did a California clown semester. And, um, you know, we all had to prepare like a clown bit. And mine wasn't like humiliating enough. And she used to, you know, she was trying to teach the class. She said, no, you know, you know, You know, you didn't take it far enough, you know, you know, somebody go up, somebody go up and de-pants him.

Like, that, that'll make you feel the humiliation that a clown is supposed to feel. And this girl, this girl, Lisa, from my class, came up, and she grabbed my pants and pulled them down. And she, I was wearing long, you know, like knitted boxers. So when she grabbed the thigh, she was also grabbing onto the boxer material. And my, my penis flopped out in front of, like, my whole. whole class and Gates McFadden and that's the story

I mean that's some men's fantasy so every start was not there was nothing hot there was nothing sexual about it I felt violated it was a bad it was a bad time that's amazing I got to say even with the humiliation I'm kind of I'm kind of jealous

I also think that Gaines McFadden was really I feel like she thought that she might be kind of the hot girl of next generation and they were casting these roles and then they They completely just would never let her fill that space and everything went to Troy. What was her job? Sorry?

What was Beverly Crusher's job? She's the doctor. Oh, okay. Also, because it's like, honestly, all the sex appeal falls away when you meet fucking Wesley. And I'm not against people with children. I'm against people with Wesley's. Yeah, it's like going on a dating app. Like, oh, you have a child next.

A Wesley in particular. You heard it here. We will not date Dr. Beverly Crusher because she has a son. Well, thank you so much, Brianna Virgil, you know, it's been such a pleasure having you on the show. Thank you so much. Thank you, guys. Stay safe. Thanks for listening to another episode of a QAnonananonymous podcast.

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