QAA Podcast - Episode 133: There Is No QAnon feat Donie O'Sullivan

Episode Date: March 10, 2021

QAnon-field-reporting companion Donie O'Sullivan joins us to discuss the empty streets of Washington DC and our journey covering phantoms so far. ↓↓↓↓ SUBSCRIBE FOR $5 A MONTH SO YOU DON'T MISS THE SECOND WEEKLY EPISODE ↓↓↓↓ https://www.patreon.com/QAnonAnonymous Follow Donie O'Sullivan: http://twitter.com/donie QAA Merch / Join the Discord Community / Find the Lost Episodes / Etc: https://qanonanonymous.com Episode music by Pontus Berghe

What's up QAA listeners? The fun games have begun. I found a way to connect to the internet. I'm sorry, boy. Welcome listener to Chapter 133 of the Q&ONANANANANANANAS podcast, the covering phantoms episode. As always, we are your host, Jake Rockatansky, Julian Fields, and Travis Vue. This week, we've got a very special guest.

He's a reporter for CNN, and we've seen. seen him time and again out in the field interviewing Trump supporters and QAnon believers. Doni O'Sullivan, welcome to the show. What's the crack? What is the crack? Finally, I've been invited onto the show. It's true. We had you blacklisted. We lifted that blacklist after one too many good reports. Yeah, we had to, we had to terminate your shadow ban. We reenabled your account in the system. Well, we're going to be chatting with you, Donie, about our mutual experiences covering QAnon, including times where we've been together at events and stuff like that. But before we touch on all of that, Qadon News.

So my big story today is New Jersey man arrested after allegedly defacing America's Stonehenge with Q&on-related graffiti. Wait, wait, wait, before we go into this, America's Stonehenge? America's Stonehenge, yes. I didn't even know there was one. There was. America is like 250 years old. Folks.

Yeah, it's complicated. So let's unpack this a little bit. it. So America's Stonehenge is basically a tourist attraction in Salem, New Hampshire. The main feature of the site are a bunch of stone structures whose origins are unclear. Now, the owners of the attraction claim that the structures are 4,000 years old. However, this view... So this is another fucking grip. You can't even deface a monument in America without exposing the monument for being a frog.

Yeah. It's fucking rocks. Yeah. So the view that this... This is some sort of pre-Columbian ancient structure is not supported by any credible archaeologist. God damn it. So they apparently, the structures that, like,

there are a couple like stone walls and stuff. They date back to the 18th century at the oldest, and much of the site may actually have been constructed in their early 20th century. Okay. Have we checked that it's really a rock and not just some plastic? Yes, there are real rocks. So you're sure that they're not like fossilized giant lungs, right?

Every like two years at Disney has to get rid of all the rocks on the Indiana Jones ride because they start looking too much like plastic and they just move them off to America's Stonehenge to keep building it. So apparently the site was owned by a colonial family until 1937 when it was sold to an insurance executive named William Goodwin. And Goodwin actually, he was really pilled on the idea that the site was constructed by Irish. monks who were fleeing Vikings many years before America was actually colonized by Europeans. We're going live to Donie O'Sullivan. Yeah, that's right. That's the real reason you brought me here. That's right. I see. The Irish originally colonized the Americas.

Feel free to debunk America's Stonehenge by just saying that sounds like rubbish. It's okay. I can just picture a four-leaf clover growing out of this stonehenge in New Hampshire. year. Yeah. So Goodwin called the site Mystery Hill and he actually may actually be himself responsible for some of the structures on the site. So this is all just, it's a tourist trap basically. You can buy tickets for 12 bucks a pop if you want to go see this. They have an alpaca farm now. There are lots of little attractions. So one of the features of America's Stonehenge is a stone tablet that is called a sacrificial stone and is called that because it contains grooves. that some claim that were once used to channel blood.

So this is related to yet another baseless theory about the origins of the site, which say that the area was actually settled by ancient Phoenicians. So this is all pseudo-archology. They mean from Phoenix, Arizona. This is a belief that, like, the current owners of the site actually promote themselves.

There's a sign that says sacrificial stone and then points to it. So they aren't trying to teach actual history. of the site. Is this another case where Qadon people do something messed up, but it turns out it's fine because it's like they killed a mob boss

or they defaced a fraud? Yeah. So apparently that was so-called sacrificial stone was actually probably maybe a what they call a lie leaching stone, which 18th and 19th century farmers used to make soap. Other archaeologists speculate that

as a base plate for a cider press, but a stone for sacrificing animals and or people, it is not. There's no evidence of that. And that brings us to how QAnon fits in the story. So in 2019, someone vandalized the sacrificial stone by carving the Q&N slogan, where we go one, we go all, just the initials, WG1, WGA, into it. Also inscribed on the tablet were the letters, I am Mark.

In addition to that, yeah, so these were not master criminals. They left their name right on the stone. But this also happened when the guy defaced a church, he was giving out cards with his name on it. He threw out his own business cards behind him as he left the scene. Hey, do you want your building defaced? Hey, I got pens, I got markers, I have a handful of spray paint cans. Call me. So in addition to that, there was an 18 inch tall wooden crows.

Ross that was left at the scene that was strung between two nearby trees. All that was in 2019, but just this past week, New Hampshire Police made an arrest in the case. The act was allegedly carried out by New Jersey man Mark Russo, 50 years old, who was charged with one count of felony criminal mischief. According to social media posts, his accomplice in the act was a man named Ganny Indrew. On October 19, 2019, Ganny tweeted a picture of the same crime. cross that was left at the site, and that tweet include a very strange message that hints at Gandy's motivations for the act of vandalism. We have to take out all of their evil sacrificial ancient tables that they have built around the world. The oldest one in the Americas in New Hampshire, we have taken many of them out, including New Hampshire.

We must continue spells cast for 300 miles from ground zero at real Donald Trump. Yeah. You know, this is where my mom is going to, she listens to everything I do, watches everything I do. This is, my mom actually grew up in Boston, but this is where she's going to be like, are you sure you want to live in this country? Mark Russell also openly tweeted about the act. He tweeted a photo of himself standing in front of the stone while wearing a QAnon shirt and a Camo Trump hat. Mark's tweet said this. Fear the owl, but I have something I would like to tell Satan.

Piss on your precious stone And I carved my name It's always been a game Which makes me sad But a game between the poor and the elites Now is the time of the meek With God's blessing May we reign thousands of years

There are so many layers here again So he's super pilled He thinks he's a You know he's a spiritual warrior Fighting the powers of demons and sacrifices And he thinks that this stone Is part of the basically the cabal but really, again, it's just part of a tourist trap

that the owners of this tourist trap falsely claim is a sacrificial stone. So he himself is battling phantoms of this grift, basically. He's battling the grift, he's battling the bake. That'll be a recurring theme in this episode is covering things that either don't exist are erasing themselves while they're happening

or rewrite themselves in front of your eyes. I want to give a shout out to a friend of the show Dapper Gander on Twitter because he has actually been investigating this matter since the vandalism was first uncovered and he's responsible for much of the information that we know about what exactly happened. Is he the guy who owns the stone and the...

No, no, he's not. He's just someone who recognized that when it was first reported, the police actually thought it was perhaps an act of anti-mysonic vandalism because apparently that's still an issue on the East Coast. In the area, yeah. So a friend of the show, yeah, Dapagander, He noticed that the where we go one, we go all, and he's able to alert people that there's actually a Q&O thing.

So one, I mean, not particularly a funny thing about this story is that apparently both Ganny and Mark, years before the incident, they lost their adult sons. Gandy lost his son, Adam Endrew, in a DUI traffic collision in 2013. And Mark Russo's son, Paul Russo, died after falling from a bridge over the Delaware River. It's suspected that Paul Russo's son died from suicide. So they both often express their grief on social media and they both decided independently that their son's deaths were actually a premeditated murder by shadowy forces. As time past, both men recast their sons as spiritual warriors who were killed by servants of evil. Gany and Drew has tweeted that he believes that the Sandy hook shooter Adam Lanzah may have been somehow involved with his son's death, perhaps as a crisis actor or something.

After Mark Russoe saw a TV special about the so-called smiley-face killers on the Oxygen Network, he sent numerous tweets accusing the urban legend assassins of murdering his son and placing his body in the river. Mark has also tweeted that he believes that the smiley-faced killers work for Barack Obama. In fact, we could see this. The wooden cross that was left at the site includes a picture of both men's sons. Wow, so they're really on a different spiritual plane, you know, really like, we talk about parallel realities, but this is, this is something else. This is, yeah, I saw a lot of people compare this to, like, ISIS destroying ancient cultural artifacts, but this is a lot sadder and a lot dumber than all of that, honestly, because they are, I mean, it sounds like they were, they were, you know, driven mad in part by grief.

and they use this conspiratorial thinking to make sense of their loss and they thought that they were like they're basically destroying the cabal's tools and stuff. Yeah, I mean, from the way you wrote it here, it seems like, yeah, you don't think that ISIS destroying ancient cultural artifacts

is sad. No, no, it is. Maybe you find it funny? You're always accusing me of like, you know, being sympathetic to ISIS on this show. I would say I don't appreciate it. So Mark seems to have discovered America Stonehenge from a

television show on the history channel H2. God, fucking damn it. Yeah. Specifically, he saw an episode from season one of America on Earth, which is basically like a pseudo-archology show. So the layers of misinformation that drove him to this act is

tragic. If there's one, I'm not a big cancel culture guy, but if there's one thing I'd like to cancel, it's the history channel's ability to use the word history. That's it. You can rename your fucking channel anything you want. If you have ancient aliens, if you have Tsukalos going around the fucking world with his new fake hair. I feel very attacked here because for my episodes,

a lot of times the sources that I use happen to be from the history channel. There's an icon in the bottom of the screen. Yeah. It's a big H. That means true. This wasn't the only site that Mark Grosso targeted. Since he took his grinder to that tablet at America's Stonehenge, He frequently indulged in fantasies of taking additional trips to vandalize other sites around the U.S. in Canada. He, for example. He had a bucket list. Yeah, he did. Places I'd like to sand down.

He openly fantasized about the obelisks at Bunker Hill in Boston, the Washington Monument, the Mount Rushmore, and the Crazy Horse Monument in South Dakota. Yeah, those all kind of suck, though, so that's fine. He has also tweeted about a boulder in Nova Scotia that is carved with a recreation of one of the Sigurd stones, which are stones carved with Swedish runic inscriptions. Now, not the actual stones that are in the UK, but rather a replica that is in Nova Scotia. So again, so baked that like a imitation of some weird pagan thing he wants to destroy. Well, this guy is going to be attacking the set of like blitz. Miscon 2021.

Well, look, when you're a very busy person, you, you tend to reach towards things that are in your proximity. You know, he doesn't have time to travel to the UK and get the real ones. You know, this is, yeah, this is the next best thing. For my next story, Trump's second inauguration on March 4th is a done. Whoa, it seems like you're going to dunk on Donie for going there this early in the episode. He well, he went there for nothing. I think, I think.

Did you see how much wind there was in his hair during the entire day? Yeah, I need to invest in some hairspray. It's not true. I think that moving with the wind is a sign that you haven't, you know, become too much of a modern man. So as fans of the show know, March 4th was supposed to be a big date in QAnon, the universe. It was based on this bizarre sovereign citizen belief that all laws and presidents after 1871 were illegitimate. And since the inauguration date prior to 1871 is March 4th, then QAnon followers reason, Trump would be inaugurated the president of the restored United States Republic.

Now, what's interesting is that virtually all Q&N promoters denounce the date as a false flag. I think it's partly because it got too mainstream, too popular. Oh, of course. All the mainstream media was talking about it. That's not cool. No, because then there are eyes on you if it doesn't happen. You know, that's the Q&N likes to move in silence and lasagna. You know, they don't want a lot of people, you know, the eyes on for the, you know, the great disappointments, if you will.

Silence and lasagna It's a little Wayne lyric that he kind of fucked up Okay I don't think I fucked it up I think I quoted it Move the silence like the G in lasagna Oh

I'm leaving all of this This is maybe the best moment on the show In our history When Travis corrected me on a little Wayne quote I thought it was a Garfield reference So I'm lost boys No it's real G's moving silence

like lasagna. Yeah, it's good. That's a good lyric. It's a good lyric. Jake's is fine, too. Mine works. The day before March 4th, Capitol Police issued a statement claiming that they had intel on the possible security threat.

It said this. The United States Capitol Police Department is aware of and prepared for any potential threats towards members of Congress or towards the Capitol complex. We have obtained intelligence that shows a possible plot to breach the Capitol by an identified militia group on Thursday, March. March the 4th. So, Donie, yeah, you were in D.C. that day. So what exactly did you witness? What is the Washington equivalent of a tumbleweed? A bill? Yeah, you know, we were there. I stood out on a very cold and, as you mentioned, windy Washington on March 4th. And yeah,

nobody showed up. Not surprising, I would say. And, you know, I think what was interesting about this was, of course, as you mentioned, there was a lot of talk about the 4th of March. We were talking about it a lot on air. Obviously, the Capitol Police were getting into it as well. But we could also see that a lot of the folks that we, the main QAnon peddlers that we all know, many of them were telling their people that, you know, this is a false flag, this is a trap, much like what we saw ahead of the inauguration. So it was an interesting one because obviously, for you guys as long time QAnon followers, you know there's bullshit dates that come up all the time, but since it was the first one, since the interaction, it took on that added, it took on that added

significance. And I mean, I was quite surprised. I was quite surprised that they sort of locked down the capital in the way they did and delayed votes and whatnot. Well, there's never been mainstream coverage of anything like this. There's never been a date that Q&ON had a prediction for that the entire mainstream covered so thoroughly as it was happening before that date had passed. So we didn't see that for Red October. We didn't see that for, what was it, D-E-11? D-5. D-5.

Then they moved it to D-11. December 5th. Yeah, they kept shifting. But there's all of these dates. So do you think, do you think you, you know, you changed this by looking at it? Well, I mean, that is the, that's the sort of really nutty thing about all of this, right? is even to the point of the intelligence bulletins that are informing what the FBI is doing and things like that, you know, sometimes we don't know because we haven't seen those

bulletins, what that data is based off of, but sometimes it's just pretty raw stuff from which they're grabbing from Telegram, which might be grabbing from 4chan or 8 Coon or elsewhere. And sometimes, of course, that is normally just a lot of talk. It's a lot of chatter, is the word they keep using in Washington for some reason. And, you know, normally it's guys. who literally never come out from behind their computer screens, but because we live in this weird moment right now where we basically saw the physical manifestation of the online mob on January 6th,

everything's taken a bit more serious. You know, I would say that had I just been monitoring telegram and, you know, reading the Q forms I read, I would have said, yeah, nobody believes this, you know, basically nobody. But then, as you mentioned, I was out in Ventura, California, a few weeks ago where Travis was two, and I came across a couple of people who brought up the fort and were totally convinced something was going to happen. So that was quite surprising for me because that was, you know, normally what we've seen with a lot of these conspiracy

theories is how remarkable on message a lot of the followers are. But in this case, there seem to be some genuine confusion. Yeah, I think this is another case where there was a bit of a division between the rank and file Q&O followers and the main influencers. And we've seen this repeatedly. We had this issue with the JFK Jr. Live stuff, which was sort of a grassroots kind of movement within the Q&N community, but was denounced by almost every major

influencer and even Q. Q itself, yeah. So, this is a thing that we're like, yeah, the people on the ground, oh, really like the whole March 4th thing, but like everyone who was a little bit savier, who like had an audience knew that this March 4th thing was bad news, they denounced it.

They said that it's a false flag, or it's an invention by the media, which is not true. I mean, the reality is if you're not part of the organizing, there's a tendency, especially for the older people to just say it's false flag, say it's Antifa or whatever, and kind of throw it out, because they're not going to get anything from it. So we saw that happening with the Save the Children rallies and stuff like that. You know, I've never seen a date that the mainstream people get behind that involves an actual physical gathering for human beings to go do something.

Like, that's not what they like. No. For them, it's like, we'll find out Gitmo is now packed, you know, and that they were flying them in, like, through, in cargo planes. Did anyone consider going to the Trump Hotel and just hanging out in the lobby and looking for someone who's a bit half drunk and confused? Because I bet there were at least a handful of people, just kind of there going, well, what the fuck? Funny you should ask. I went. I went to a lot to the Trump Hotel. Oh, really? But I went to lock to the Trump Hotel the night before March for it. and I might have been the drunk and confused one by the end of it but no I got to DC we came from CPAC I was quite tired

got to DC the day before the fort I was telling all my colleagues I was like we all know nothing's really probably going to materialize tomorrow but also understood that we needed to cover it and one of my bosses I said I said you know we should send somebody down to the Trump Hotel to have a check it out have them check it out just see if there's folks hanging out if there's a big crowd and he was like why don't you go that's what happens when you're a reporter under 30. They just throw you into the meat grinder, you know? Why don't you go and enjoy that for yourself, Tony? So it was my first time in there. It was very quiet. I had a mohito. No, I didn't

have a martini. I had a martini and a hamburger. It set you back, what, $50? I got, it set CNN back $50. I got the salad in Senator Fries. I'm trying to try to try to try to tried to work on this on this bod right now um you know what summer's coming give given i have the hair uh flowing in the wind exactly uh well well great so you you're telling me you didn't see a single person who looked a bit confused like a with a maga hat like there were people there what would what i would say is are questionable haircuts um but i also have a questionable haircut so who am i to judge uh no there was there was just some folks hanging out there was a few folks where I was like, you know, he could be a proud boy, I guess.

But nobody that that was in there waving a MAGA flag or what a QAnon T-shirts. But I did get a hamburger. Nice. I'm really worried. I get why the mainstream media lashed onto this one. We're like, you know, obviously just a couple months out from a deadly insurrection. But I do want to caution. I really hope they don't lash onto every single Q&on date from now on because that would be disastrous.

Because you can't just be let around by the nose, by the. the kooky fantasies of, you know, the QAnon, a constantly moving date of the apocalypse, you know. That's why I was trying to do good by posting on the main QAA account that the new date, because we know the date always, the new date is 420, 20, 69. And so when that date comes around, you better have your ears to the ground. I totally agree, you know, as soon as the Ford passed, me and my colleagues, folks were asking me, you know, oh, I hear there's a new date, April or March. March 20 and all this. And you're totally right. I mean, it was pretty surreal to be standing in Washington on the fort because of all of this. But then, of course, you know, the reality is that it did have a meaningful impact in terms of the heightened security presence in Washington. Now, you might say, well, was that also because the mainstream media was talking about it? I feel that we were not. I hope, I really hope we're not going to be chasing every single date.

But, you know, a lot of times if it comes out that the FBI has put out a bulletin about X, Y, and Z, and it leads to developments in Washington, then that is something that you have to cover. But it is, I mean, it's surreal. I mean, I sort of had the sense that especially when they delayed or moved around some of the actual proceedings in the Congress on Thursday, I really thought that was sort of sending the messages, hey, we're handing this over to conspiracy theorists. They're going to dictate our schedule here.

Well, and it's tricky, too, because these dates are not coming from Q anymore. You know, the last time Q posted was, what, December 8th? Yeah, yeah, December 8th of last year. And so when these dates are surfacing, they're surfacing from, you know, I think a combination of influencers and, you know, rank and file QAnon believers, something gets hot on telegram or something gets hot on the chans and it kind of bubbles its way to the surface. but it is now community driven as opposed to, you know, a direct date given by, you know, Q itself. Yeah, and we'll be looking at the Q drop that kind of allowed them to kind of break away or kind of encourage them to break away, you know. For my next story, Fox News host Tucker Carlson deflects for QAnon. So I think, you know, interesting question is like how more, I guess, more mainstream Republicans or conservatives are going to handle the problem of QAnon?

And we got a peek into how that's going to happen when Tucker Carlson basically tried to say that QAnon isn't a thing or isn't something worth worrying about. The first thing that Carlson did was back on February 23rd was claimed that he couldn't even find any evidence that this so-called QAnon is real. So it's worth finding out where the public is getting all this false information, this disinformation, as we'll call it. So we checked. We spent all day trying to locate the famous QAnon. which in the end we learned is not even a website. If it's out there, we could not find it. Then we checked Marjorie Taylor Green's Twitter feed

because we have heard she traffics in disinformation seen and told us, but nothing there. I mean, Fox News has a decent Q&on explainer on their website. That was published by one of their reporters. What about Jesse Waters? He could probably tell Tucker what the deal. I don't know if his explainer would be very... You know what struck me about this?

And I mean, I think this is even a bit too... crazy for you guys um but when i listened to him saying that uh and i i guess he was just trying to make the point he was obviously just trying to play down downplay qanon and i'm not suggesting he knew what he was doing but when i heard him say that when i heard him say i couldn't find qanon it reminded me of all the people i speak to so many qanon believers who say there is no qanon there is q and then there are the anons. And I can almost like guarantee that the next time I'm out and about and put to somebody about Tucker, about finding QAnon, somebody probably will say to me, well, no, actually, if you listen to what he said, because it is very similar. You know, he specifically said there

is no Q and on, which is precisely what we hear. So I might have looked into it a bit, a bit too much. Well, it certainly at least uses the same rhetorical like cloaking device. Right. More recently, Tucker downplayed QAnon by saying that they're all gentle people. You ever notice how all like the scary internet conspiracy theorist radical QAnon people and you actually see them on camera or in jail cells, as a lot of them now are? Maybe they're kind of confused. Maybe they've got the wrong ideas, but they're all kind of gentle people and they all kind of waving American flags. They like the country. They're not torching Wendy's. They're not looting retail stores. They're not shooting cops. No, that's not them.

Please, please. Let's see this humanist side of you when you're dealing with your ideological enemies or the masses of people seeking asylum or whatever, because you suddenly seem real, real loose, Tucker, just isn't like you. Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things where it's like, I guess the general premise is true. Like, most Q&L followers are not a threat to anyone. No. We've all attended Q&O events, you too, Dony, and, like, I've never. felt personally threatened in any kind of way or anything like that. They're all, they're not all, like you know, like I said, they're not skinheads. They're not, they're not, they're not, they're not, they're always, they always fantasize about someone else doing violence on their behalf.

They have a fascist ideology. Don't get me wrong. Yeah. But personally, they don't want to do something ugly, usually. Yeah, but Tucker's not looking for subtlety here. He, he's, he's looking to extend to, you know, the kind of like, you know, shock troops that he sees on his side or whatever, the kind of courtesy he'll never extend to someone else. Yeah, when I first started covering QAnon, it's like, I knew I didn't want to be a fearmonger, right? I didn't want to cover up the, I didn't want to cover up the ugliness of their ideology. And I didn't want to deny the fact that Q&N followers have been charged with like murder and arson and a conspiracy to commit kidnapping and terrorism in one instance and all of these awful things, while also acknowledging that the majority aren't like that. they, like, at best, feed into this more militant kinds of extremism, which is very disturbing.

But I don't know. Yeah, I'm trying to find, like, you know, the right subtle way to sort of accurately describe this movement, which is bad and awful, but not, I don't know. I don't know. What's strange is that in a kind of roundabout way, the idea of there is no Q and on isn't wrong. Here it's used as a rhetorical tool to escape blame or escape scrutiny, but it's not wrong. wrong in that, you know, when we say, well, QAnon believers have done this, this, this, this, and this. Oftentimes they are not necessarily motivated by QAnon when they do those things.

It just happens that they're also Q&N believers, which all contributes in a million different ways. But the reality is you're dealing with an ideology. It's a phantom. At any point, you can believe or not believe in QAnon. And we can't tell that from the outside. We have to interview you. You have to go out in the field like Doni does and speak to people.

Today, do you believe? Which part? And it's, that's what's so messy. about it, is that we are essentially, yeah, chasing phantoms of a kind of like ideological mysticism that is really springing up due to a lot of other factors. Look, obviously, Tucker is engaging in a bad face argument. And I tried so hard. I tried so hard to avoid this because, you know, he's also tried to base a lot of us into

posting about it. And I tried quite hard until they eventually asked me to go on television to talk about this very thing. So, but, you know, it's the idea, just the idea that he couldn't find QAnon is just so ridiculous. And the thing is that is like if you really think that they're, you know, they're just, they're really gentle people who just love the country, then surely you must hate the fact that Q&ON is motivating them to take these criminal actions that are derailing or ruining their lives, right? It's like you should, you should despise the fact that, you know, that QAnon is, uh, is leading. people down this dark path where all of a sudden they are in serious legal jeopardy that they would not be in if it worked for QAnon. Tucker, debate Travis view on your show.

This is a standing challenge. Oh, boy. But I mean, yeah. I represent him. I mean, don't. Don't. He's right. It's so bad faith because, you know, he uses this, this example so, you know, they're not burning a Wendy's. But they did go to a pizza shop and fire a couple rounds from a, a, you know, semi-automatic rifle in there. You know, you can't leave that kind of stuff out. And obviously that was PizzaGate, but it's, you know, totally similar ideology, almost the exact same. Well, what's really funny is, like, Tucker prefers it when a confused QAnon follower, like, takes a pot shot at a pizzeria, then when someone identifies that, like, corporations or the police have done things that, that have crushed them in their lives.

And so then they burn the corporations or they attack, like, the police, precinct, he sees that as way too material. It's terrifying for him because people are identifying things and then they're, whether you agree with their methods or not, they're applying pressure towards that existing power. QAnon is a way to completely

disenfranchise you from any like ability to point to actual power. And that's what he fucking loves about it. Right next story. Yet another Q&A follower charged for participating in the capital riot. So an Idaho woman who participated in the storming of the capital on January 6th was taken into

custody without incident by officers with Homeland Security Investigations, the Boise Police Department, and members of the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force. This was first reported by the local news station, KTVB. So five days before the Capitol Riot, the woman whose name is, she has a great name, Yvonne Saint-Sir. Yvonne Sansire. Well, okay. No, it's fine.

She seems like she has some French origins, but you've never had a respect for our, don't pretend right now. Yvonne uploaded a video of herself talking about QAnon while she was in the middle of her cross-country trip to Washington, D.C. or bust, stop the steel, and Joe Biden is not my president. So, cars all decorated now. We are in Wyoming, getting ready to get back on the road here. We hold it so I can drive. And so I wanted to, I had a thought. I read on the way here that Pence resigned.

I don't know if it's true or not, and it was a Q thing, so I don't, I don't, I have no idea because I have been driving and not confirming, but I had a thought, if Pence resigned, what if JFK Jr. is going to be sworn in as the vice president on the sixth and I will be there to see it and then you can all pound sand because I tell you, I'm telling you he is alive. JFK Jr. is alive and I think that we may get to see him. I'm so excited. So anyways, we're back on the road. I know my hair's crazy.

It's very wind blowing out here in Wyoming. So we've got a few more thousand miles to go. Stop the steel. We're on our way. Here we come, D.C. Love you guys. Bye. That's exciting stuff.

It took a year out of my life. Driving all the way across the country to see JFK Jr. Get sworn in. I would drive all the way to D.C. to see that, honestly. I would smear my windows with what looks like bird shit, you know, and talk to a camera. I love it. It's like, oh, well, I can't confirm that my, Pence stepped down, but I can pretty much confirm that JFK Jr. is alive and is going to be

inaugurated. But, you know, I think this also shows that the conspiracy theory that the election was stolen, the one actively being promoted by the former president. It just enables so much of the rest of the sort of Q&N crazy, you know, because it has that nugget, you know, that that is now basically that conspiracy theory is at the core of everything else. I mean, March 4th was sort of at the core of the election not being legitimate. And that's a very dangerous space because that's not going to change. You know, you're going to see Marjorie Taylor Green and many other Republicans who are still going along with the idea that the election was stolen. According to the criminal complaint, she filmed the destruction of an office window from within the Capitol and continue to record herself.

standing in the window and shouting at the crowd located on the west side of the Capitol grounds. In a live video that appears to have been recorded following the Capitol Riot, she talks about breaching the building and her belief in QAnon. I fight for us. I really do. It's not a show. It's for my grandkids and for you and me. Sorry, it's been a rough day. Trump's Twitter account got taken down

that's red one that's a sign a cue sign so I'm still faithful and hopeful that maybe America needed to see this today maybe America needed to see how ugly it was and how sad it is that we have no voice anymore we've allowed

this to happen we went to sleep and we let them take our government over they infiltrated it in every area they cheated that election was stolen 100% without a doubt there is tons of evidence he shared it all today you aren't going to hear it on the media they're not going to tell you because they want you to think it's gone and that we lost but we didn't and that's why we stormed the capital because

we didn't lose they stole this election yeah she just so far gone and like he'll still certain that she's in the right and confessing to the crime that got her arrested immediately after the act Again, this is the thing that we saw in the case with Mark Russo and the tablet of America's Stonehenge, is that they think that their cause is so righteous that they don't even realize what they're doing is he can get them in trouble legally. For our next story, local man's Irish accent mocked by pro-QAnon podcasters. Famed local Irishman, Donio Sullivan, published a piece for CNN recently that angered long-time QAnon promoters Jeffrey Peterson, aka In The Matrix and his co-host, Shady Groove. They took to the air and expressed their grievances.

We were on CNN a couple of times this weekend, Shady. We were? We were. You and I. Oh, my goodness. Was Dony talking about? Dony O'Sullivan, infiltrated the Matrix Grove show event. He has also been in the NG show chat, voice, and telegram, Shady Grove. He's coming in to get red pills, too?

Yeah. And he came into our chat, and we actually thought his name was Donnie, but apparently it's Dony. Apparently it's Dony. Doe. Me. Doe. So let's play this.

This is a little Simpsons reference there at the end. So here in our second clip, this local victim of these two podcasters, well, they accuse him of showing up to an event uninvited. Did you see the camera picture? I know you guys don't see it in the radio, but the picture of Dony and the other gentleman, it was really nice. They looked like they were scared. Doni's head is, you know, crushed a little bit. So the mask almost covered his eyes. And also, they pan to these two guys.

And they look like they're trembling in their boots, Shady. And then one of the organizers is right behind him. And then they film up right into the QAnon. What is the QAnon shaman, they call him. And he, like, did a muscle flex. Like he was waiting for that camera shot, Shady. No one knew he were in there. Well, let's see what Q said on that day.

Q said there is Q, one, and there are anons, two, there are, there is no Q and on. Three, media labeling as QAnon is a method deliberate to combine and attach Q to comments, theories, and suggestions, and statements, and actions made by two, anons. What happens when you cannot attack the information? Primary source, one, do you attack and typecast through, use of others. Not all anons are authentic. Injected. You are correct, C.J. Retweet at 1717 had meaning. Mathematical probability 1717 the day after. You believe it was a coincidence that surgical removal of YouTube accounts occurred the same day as the Hunter drop? Welcome to the digital

battlefield. I find it very curious how Q seemed to know that these guys were in that conference room that day. So that's evidence that will be compounded by an accusation of another local man, Travis View. Yeah. And also, wasn't it the JFK Jr. guy? Travis View was cued as well. And he is, he was, um, he was in there as well. Yeah, that was, uh, it was his Twitter post that, that was, the tweet from him right at the beginning of that, um, correct. And, and it's, it's very, it happens a lot, you know, uh, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, the post during our shows, and he posted during our live show there in Scottsdale, basically warning us that this was about to happen if you look at, if, you know, future proves past, Shady.

Exactly. I mean, you know, like I said, they, it's very funny that they came there. They sat there. They got all this footage. They had, like you were pointing out, whenever you watch that clip, they're literally filming as they're talking in perfect sync. And then they're panning up to the QAnon Shama guy standing in the back of the room the whole time. It's almost like they brought him with him. Yeah, it is. And how did this guy, I mean,

I could barely get to Arizona. I had to rely on donations. Zoltan, thank you very much for helping me get to Arizona. How did this guy get, he lived in Arizona, but how did he get to the Georgia rally and D.C. and all these places that he's been seen? I don't know, but it wasn't just that. He was also seen at a bunch of other rallies earlier in the year, or let's call them riots earlier of the year by BLM and then was at the Capitol building the day before and the day of January 6th.

Interesting. Very well funded. This is bullshit, by the way, because we saw in the Matrix at the most expensive steakhouse that evening. In Florida. So I reject his premise that he That was Tampa. Oh, well, same shit, I guess.

It's okay. I think he's still wealthy wherever he goes. He's still wealthy wherever he goes is the point. was making. Yeah, he's a nice thing. Yeah, he's going to be fine. But yeah, no, so the idea that Jacob Chansley, who shows up, like, with the same costume and the same exact sign everywhere is this wealthy man. Yeah, super. No, I've seen the Q Shaman's car. He's not a wealthy man. Yeah. I also love the idea that the QAnon knew I was there, or that Q knew I was there. Kew posted. That's fantastic. And also, the footage, which is taken by me, which is what he doesn't realize, because

I was sitting right in front of you. And I thought it was very funny that you were sitting there with your mask, kind of hiding, trying to hide in your seat while behind you, this guy was flexing. And they're like, look, look, he panned up to flexing Q Shaman. And so the idea here is that you, so there was at least Donie, Travis, and the Q Shaman. We're all funded by the same entity to come to QCon to humiliate them. All in cahoots, all leading up to his arrest. We rode them together. On January 6th to make him the Q scapegoat. Yeah, Mike Soros check is still in the mail. We're all waiting for payment.

For my next story, the Q Shaman speaks. Jacob Chansley, better known as a Q Shaman, spoke publicly for the first time in an interview since his arrest with journalist Lori Siegel for 60 minutes. So here is part of that interview. Your actions on January 6 were an attack on this country. Do you understand that? Well, if you're not, ma'am. My actions were not an attack on this country. That is incorrect.

That is inaccurate entirely. How would you describe them? my actions personally on january six my actions on january six how would i describe them well i sing a song and that's a part of shamanism it's about um creating positive vibrations in a sacred chamber i also stop people from stealing and vandalizing that sacred space the senate okay i actually stopped somebody from stealing muffins out of the out of the break room i also set a prayer in that sacred chamber because it was my intention to bring divinity and to bring God back into the Senate. But Jake, legally, you were not allowed to be in what you're calling the sacred chamber.

And that is the one very serious regret that I have was believing that when we were waved in by police officers, that it was acceptable. Do you still believe you're a patriot? I consider myself a lover of my country. I consider myself a believer in the Constitution. I consider myself a believer in truth and our founding principles. I consider myself a believer in God. Also interviewed by 60 Minutes was the Q Shaman's mom, Martha Chansley. And she appears to be extremely pilled. In fact, still believes that the election was stolen. This was an attack on the U.S. Capitol. And your son was a part of it, whether or not you say he was violent. Do you see the gravity of it? Of course. I feel the gravity of it because my son is

in, you know, he's, he's where he is right now. So if he could take it back, he would. I know that he's, he's sorry, but again, it all, it all comes back to he, he walked through open doors. Did it look like the doors were just peacefully open to the public? Peacefully is why the word peacefully? I mean, the doors were open. They were letting people in. They were overcome by a group of people, many of whom were armed. Jacob wasn't a part of that.

I hear you saying, well, you know, my son was there, but he wasn't a part of the bad part of it. Right. Well, I think that's really important to, understand that. But wasn't all of that bad? Wasn't any attack on the Capitol, any interruption of our democratic process? Isn't all of that bad? No, I don't think that the process of being able to go and exercise your right to free speech and to stand up for what you believe is right. But it is not your right to interrupt the democratic process. It is not your right. to breach the capital, to go where you're not legally allowed to be.

You know what I would say to that is, I don't think it's right that it was one fraudulently. I don't believe it was one fairly at all. Absolutely not. Yeah, this whole case is interesting. I think it's worth touching upon why, of all the people who participate in the Capitol, right? and they all did a bad thing, obviously, but why the Q Shaman is getting the most attention. And it's not because he poses the greatest threat to national security

amongst all the people who participated. It's not because he was the most violent or even because he had the most violent ideology. It's because he is the most flamboyant. He looks the craziest. Yeah, he looks coochiest. If you are like, you know, a member of militia who actually has revolutionary ideas and you want to, you know, behead a bunch of lawmakers in order to, institutes the new fascist government.

You're happy that the attention is being paid to this clown, basically. Of course. Because that takes the attention and heat off of your very malicious intentions. Yeah, also, he's the perfect kind of like lone wolf figure because he wasn't really attached to any of the groups that were more organized. They were organized. So it's perfect. Oathkeepers, I think, deserve a little bit more attention for their participation than the Q Shaman. I'll just say that. Well, Donie, finally, after putting you through all of this pain and misery and suffering.

We're going to put you in the hot seat and focus on you. Travis has some questions. Yeah, I want to ask, how exactly did you get the covering this? So I get this question a lot. I just think that this particular topic matches my particular collection of mental illnesses best. So why exactly did you start covering this? Well, I started working, when I started working at CNN about five years ago, my job, I was

doing it at a startup in Ireland first. would take breaking news videos, YouTube videos, a lot of stuff coming out at the Arab Spring, a lot of stuff coming out of the Syrian War, videos normally a bombings, et cetera, but sometimes that were either mischaracterized or misdated or were being faked in some way. So we were vetting stuff in real time to make sure if something showed up on television and breaking news, this was a social media video or image that it was actually from that event. And I was doing that at CNN for a while and it eventually became a full-time. job and obviously Q and on was part of that. But we were pretty slow. We were pretty slow to talk

a lot about Q&N intentionally. We saw it popping up at events and things. But, you know, when you have a platform the size of CNN, you think about, you know, by calling something out, are you unintentionally amplifying in some way? Obviously, you know, in the second half of 2020 between Trump talking about it and essentially embracing it, you know, it sort of became a no-brainer to talk about it. But we were watching it for a long time rather than talking about it. So was there a specific moment where you like realize Q&O wasn't just a fringe thing that you could be safe, that could safely be ignored? And this is something that is going to be significant and a significant part of American politics. I mean, this is this is sort of a late

example, but following the Save the Children movement and seeing that grow over the COVID lockdown. And also, I remember being up in Duluth, which I can't say because of my Irish accent, the THs, in Minnesota, in northern Minnesota. And a merchant, a vendor outside a Trump rally telling me that, you know, demand for QAnon merchandise had exploded over the past few months. And there was just a few things from being on the road that I just said, wow, this is actually everywhere. And of course, there's no way to measure quite how big it is, but it was everywhere. Yeah, I mean, you're best known for your one-on-one interviews with two-on-one followers like in the field at rallies. I'm interested how you get these because

you're with CNN. You're honest about this to the people he speak to. I mean, do people ever turn you down? Do you get any jeering comments about your affiliation with CNN? Oh, I watched Donie get chased right down to sidewalk by this guy who just, he just wanted to continue having a conversation. And it was pretty funny because it's like they didn't really want to fully attack you, but they would kind of like yell at you and start pointing fingers a little bit. You would walk like kind of half a block. They would disperse, then walk back the other way to try to escape them again. It was like slow motion, cartoonish almost. Is that habitual?

Yes, yes. I mean, a ton of a ton of people just will not speak to us. You know, and the reaction sometimes is, you know, and I'll normally say with a big jolly smile on my face behind my mask, I'll say, yep, but I'm from CNN. So a ton of folks won't talk to us. Others, you know, will, will, they won't like CNN, but they like the idea that I'm Irish and the novelty of speaking to a leprechaun, as it were. So was there an interview that you did in the field that was cut from broadcast that you thought was, particularly interesting. Yeah, the one that you were going to get in trouble for, that one.

Can you just tell us exactly what it was? Oh, man, I get in trouble all the time. You know, every time we come back from these events, you know, obviously CNN is a big place. It's a big bureaucracy sometimes. I've got standards to deal with lawyers, many editors. And, you know, a lot of times it is an absolute mindfield. to try and work through with, you know, all the people I work with to give them the understanding and to explain to them why we should be even showing any of this the light of a day.

I think there's been interviews all over the place that we've either cut for time or just haven't been, you know, there's been so much that I've actually watched back recently. Because we were on road pretty much for six months now. Some of the people we've met along the way showed up the Capitol. Some of the people we met along the way, I think, are still on the FBI. most wanted lists. We don't always get people's names. So there's a ton there.

Trying to think if something sticks out. I mean, I would love to do, you know, my birthday's coming up, just plugging, I don't have a, I don't have a, I can send across my VINMO or cash out. I would really like my producers or

editors to do a monster a mashup of, you know, just all the many times I've been told to fuck off by individual out. an appeal to the editorial CNN team to allow the the fuck-off compilation to be released precisely I'm interested now you were with me at that event of Ventura and that wasn't specifically like billed as a Q&O event it was like a recall Gavin Newsom event but it was heavily attended by Q&N followers influenced by Q&N followers or Judy McEvets who was huge with QAnon there at the

event. So what do you make a kind of like the strange sort of awkward relationship between these conservative political organizers and QAnon? Because it seems although they welcome the support of Q&N, they welcome the money of Q&N, but they don't want to acknowledge that Q&N is in their ranks. They don't want to like, you know, acknowledge, you know, I guess Q&N generally. Yeah, I think that is going to be one of the sort of defining stories of the next two years, actually when it comes to politics nationally, right? Because if you think, Trump is going to try and get candidates to primary any person who's spoken out against him. So like the likes of Liz Cheney.

And a lot of those candidates are going to be getting their support from the QAnon Caucus, essentially. So to see that play out, to see that dance happening is, you know, without overplaying the role of QAnon, I think it plays an extremely important part of like what is the future of the Republican Party and what is the future of politics in the United States? And, you know, it was striking. I spoke to one of the main organizers from the Recall Newsom event, you know, seemed like a nice guy, respectful guy, spoke. He was quite polished.

And, you know, he said, I'm notting to do a QAnon, but like in the shops, or right behind our shot, there was a huge QAnon flag flying. So I think it's going to be a major story. in, you know, I hate to be talking about elections already, but the 2022 midterms, precisely that, how these conservative Republican organizations interface with the QAnon caucus is going to be fascinating. It sometimes feels like we're trying to capture a story being written in disappearing ink.

You know, QAnon content is often wiped from social media. Events get canceled. Dates don't materialize. But one thing that I think, like, you can't. really delete online is the ideology that people carry with them and that you often draw out with your interviews. I kind of was thinking about this yesterday, but do you ever get the feeling that we're covering phantoms? Yeah, it's, it's also, it's so, what I find most fascinating of speaking to a lot of folks on the road is, you know, how people have all found their way to

Q and Q&N in such different paths, you know, some it's from Save the Children, some it's true Trump. Some it's true, you know, people who are flat earners. But it's, it is that. No, there is, you know, everybody's, everybody's finding their way to QAnon, but it's almost like there's an invisible hand pushing them there, you know. And you're right. Like, it's, a lot of the evidence is being taken down, you know, what accounts being shut down with stuff, disappearing, obviously with stuff moving into different types of apps. And yeah, you know, I think every time I do one of these stories, I'm thinking, you know, we got close there to figuring out how this person really went down this rabbit hole.

But there's always just so many unknowns. One thing that I also wanted to talk about a little bit is how mentally exhausting it can get to cover all this stuff. And, you know, as people have kind of gotten to know you as a reporter, specifically I hear that you're a golden boy now back in Ireland and that they have banners that unfurl when you get off the plane. But what's cool is that you've kind of started opening up

about mental health and all that. So could you tell us a bit more about that? Yeah, you know, yes, it's been quite funny to, particularly after the insurrection, you know, that was sort of prime time in Ireland, I guess. You know, afternoon here in the East Coast is 8, 9, 10 p.m. in Ireland. So a lot of folks turned on the TV in Ireland and were shocked to see an Irish guy. So I thought, you know, mental health is talked about a bit differently in Ireland than it is here.

And it's still, you know, it's getting a lot better, but it's still quite taboo for, especially for men, sort of young men to talk about. So I figured I'd use my 15 minutes of Fabe to talk a bit about it and, you know, sort of the stuff I've gone through, depression and anxiety and whatnot. But what I would say about all of this is, you know, I meet many people. Many people who come to QAnon are sort of in a crisis of their own, right? He's a personal, financial, political, I guess, in some ways. But I do think that there's an interesting parallel there between I certainly know when I'm feeling depressed or anxious. You know, you sort of cast a wide net and you start thinking about existential questions essentially that you normally wouldn't think about and you're willing to embrace very irrational answers, whether that's

about yourself, for your life, for your relationships. And I feel in some ways that that is how we've seen the explosion of QAnon over the past 12 months. I mean, as a society, we are living through an extremely anxious unprecedented time with lockdowns and this virus. And, you know, just as I think we are capable when feeling that angst to embrace the irrational about ourselves, we're also capable of doing that when it comes to conspiracy theories. And I think particularly with COVID, you know, I think people, I saw early on in COVID, people really wanted to believe the idea that COVID was made in a lab by, you know, evil geniuses, either in Washington or in China. And in ways having, I think, the belief there that somebody, even if they're evil, that someone is

in control, that somebody, you know, is in charge of all of this, is easier to understand than, you know, that this is a virus that happened in nature, et cetera, et cetera, is something that we cannot control. And without going on too much, I do think that then also comes back to Q, right? Because Q is somebody who's in control. It's somebody who has all the answers. It's someone, you know, particularly if you're a religious person, you're dealing with religious texts that are thousands of years old. If QAnon is your godlike character and up until recently was posting, you know, several times a day or several times a week, that's really, really appealing if you're in a state of anxiety because somebody seems to be in charge. And they're also

giving you directions on something to do, you know, do your own research. You know, it gives people something to pass the time with, you know, so they don't necessarily have to be, you know, locked into their own, you know, the neighborhood in their head that they're hanging out in. Absolutely. And, you know, it struck me when we went to that event, uh, somewhat undercover in Arizona and October, the Q and on event, you know, that they were up there on stage citing specific Q posts as if they were religious scripture, you know, by number as if they were, as if they were verses in the Bible. And it's, and the more people I talk to now, as we do quite a bit of focus now on the victims of Q&N, whether they be people who have left Q&N or people who are in families, you know, that's the story we're hearing more and more that there's, that mental health is obviously a huge part of it.

It's not, it's totally not the full reason for it, you know, many people are engaging with it based off hate and other reasons, but it is a huge, huge part of it. And so what's next for your coverage? Where are they going to send you next to risk your life? Who's telling Doni to fuck off this week? Yeah, yeah, they're like, I just said that Irish guy, whatever. You know, I think a big story for us for, you know, I was certainly struck by when we into that event in Ventura where Travis was at was, you know, anti-vax is obviously a thing that is becoming, I think, popular or certainly something that's circulating hugely in this community. But also I think that story I mentioned of what the hell is going to happen next with

the Republican Party. And I think you're going to see in states and districts where there's a Trump backing, Trump supporting candidate is priming a, you know, sitting Republican. I think you're going to see a lot of Q&on, a lot of stop the steal, a lot of those characters who we met on the road to the January 6th insurrection are going to be popping up there again. So I think that's going to be a huge story to travel, to cover. And I suspect I'll be getting hopefully to go to many political rallies and talking to more folks along the way. Thank you so much, obviously, for coming on. People can follow you on Twitter. You managed to snag your, just your first name. What's up with that? It's impressive. I mean, it's hardly a popular name, is it? D-O-N-I-E. Thanks for listening to

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May the Deep Dish bless you and keep you. And may Irish eyes always smile. It's not a conspiracy. It's fact. And now, today's auto Q. You guys come across any Q&N events coming up? There's only been one that was on our radar, and it's like falling apart at the fucking scenes.

There's no fucking way. We haven't preserved shit, and it's like, we're not probably not going to do it. Basically, we saw it. It was an event in Florida that was called, It was an evening with Michael Flynn. It was very weird. They had tickets on for sale initially, but then those were taken away. And they said, like, we're going to tell you what the venue is 12 hours before it actually takes place.

And so we're, I don't know, we're thinking we actually might not do that if something doesn't get clear, you know, pretty soon. You know,