QAA Podcast - Episode 148: The Australian Prime Minister's QAnon Friend feat Karen Stewart

Episode Date: June 24, 2021

We speak to the sister of 'Burn Notice', the QAnon influencer and long-time friend of Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison — who is accused of inserting his buddy's QAnon beliefs ("Ritual Sexual Abuse") into an official apology speech for Australia's long history of institutional sexual abuse and coverups. ↓↓↓↓ SUBSCRIBE FOR $5 A MONTH SO YOU DON'T MISS THE SECOND WEEKLY EPISODE ↓↓↓↓ https://www.patreon.com/QAnonAnonymous Karen Stewart's Blog: https://www.karenthinksaloud.com.au/ QAA Merch / Join the Discord Community / Find the Lost Episodes / Etc: https://qanonanonymous.com Episode music by Matthew Delatorre (http://implantcreative.com)

What's up QAA listeners? The fun games have begun. I found a way to connect to the internet. I'm sorry, boy. Welcome listener to chapter 148 of the Q&ONANANANANANANAS podcast, the Mike Gait Revisited episode. As always, we are your host, Jake Rockatansky, Julian Fields, and Travis Vue. This week we're heading down under once more to a

examine the ongoing saga of the Australian PM, Scott Morrison, and his red-pilled buddy, professional town planner Tim Stewart, whose cue influencer moniker was burn notice, or burn spy, before he was banned by Twitter. The scandal first surfaced in 2019, when it became apparent that their friendship had influenced words chosen by the PM in one of his speeches, specifically a reference to ritual abuse, which will be a familiar term for those following cue. Now, Maitgate, as it's been dubbed, is back in the papers again. This time with Stewart's own family members speaking out against his beliefs and proximity to the prime minister. We'll be walking you through the story and then we'll be sitting down with Karen Stewart,

the younger sister of Burn Notice, or Tim Stewart, who has been tracking her brother's red pilling and its potential effects on national politics in Australia. But before we get into all that, QAnon News. For my first story, the FBI warns Congress that Q&N followers may turn violent. I think some of them already know because they were in the capital on January 6th. In a June 4th bulletin distributed to members of Congress, the FBI said that its experts believe that some Q&N followers will no longer trust the plan and engage in real-world violence. Now, this is not the first time that the FBI has warned about the threats posed by Q&N followers. In early 2019, the Phoenix Field Office of the FBI issued a warning about the threat of conspiracy theory-driven extremists and the name Q&ON specifically as a possible source of that threat.

In this newer statement, I thought it was kind of strange, and not because it was, like, wrong. In fact, much of the bulletin echoed things that I and other researchers who studied Q&N have been saying for many years. But I thought it was strange because it didn't seem to add much of anything new. And it didn't give any concrete reasons why we should be especially concerned right now. I mean, I guess I kind of always assumed that the feds were like more on top of the threat posed by Q&N than the rest of us slubs. But I guess maybe that's not the case. No, and like, what are we supposed to make of any of this? I mean, yeah.

Thanks for telling us that our houses are on fire. It's very strange and worrying where it's like, oh, hey, hey, just so you know, bad things may happen. They may not, can't predict the future. I mean, that's always been true. That's been true since, I mean, like I said, there have been, you know, Qaeda on murders and terrorist attacks and before. And so this isn't new information. I just wish they could be a little bit more specific rather than bad things are that might happen, be afraid, you know?

Rest assured that when these bad things happen, they will be there on the sidelines taking notes diligently. So this was a key passage from that intelligence bulletin. We assess that some domestic violent extremist adherents of QAnon likely will begin to believe they can no longer, quote, trust the plan referenced in Q&on posts and that they have an obligation to change from serving as, quote, digital soldiers towards engaging in real world violence,

including harming perceived members of the cabal, such as Democrats and other political opposition. Instead of continually awaiting Q's promised actions which have not occurred, other QAnon inherents likely will disengage from the movement or reduce their involvement in the wake of the administration change. The disengagement may be spurred by the large mainstream social media deep platforming of Q&on content based on social media company's own determinations that users have violated terms of service and the failure of long-promised Q&on-linked events to material. Some domestic violent extremists have discussed how to radicalize new users to niche social media platforms

following Q&N adherence migration to these platforms after large-scale removals of Q&N content from mainstream sites. Adherence to Q&on by some domestic violent extremists likely will be affected by factors such as the severity of the COVID-19 pandemic, the level of societal polarization in the United States, social media companies' willingness to Q&on-related content on their sites, and the frequency and content of pro-QAnon statements by public individuals who feature prominently in the core Q&N narratives. That last line about pro-QAnon statements by public individuals who feature prominently in core Q&N narratives, I think that almost certainly refers to General Michael Flynn. How are you talking about me, boy?

I think what the feds were saying is like, listen, we can't really predict exactly how far Flynn is going to go in his promotion of Q&N. He's a, Flynn right now is a bit of on a road tour for about QAnon. He was in, he was at the Dallas QAnon rally. He was at Q adjacent Reawaken America tour in Tampa, Florida. So I think that, I guess like the rest of us, we're thinking like, how far is Flynn going to go? Because he's, he's a hero in Q&O world. For my next story, dozens of Q&O followers are running for the 22 congressional election. So you may remember that during the lead up to the 2020 election, friend of the show,

Alex Kaplan over at Media Matters, kept a running list of Q&ON congressional candidates. And two people on that list, Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Bobert, wound up actually getting elected to Congress. Well, he has been back at it again for the congressional elections that will take place late next year. And to date, the number of Q&N congressional candidates is 35. So off to a great start. So Florida is currently the state with the most Q&N candidates, unsurprisingly.

So there are eight Q&ON congressional cans from Florida and six from California. There are two each from Arizona, Nevada, New Jersey, Texas, Illinois, and Ohio. You just said six from California? You're trying to get over that just because you're from the state or something? I mean, this is pretty high. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. We're second.

You know what? Honestly, I think by next year we're going to catch up. California is going to be number one. We can beat Florida at their own game. except in a drier manner. Not content-wise, though, to make the distinction. That'll be nice and moist. Climate-wise.

The content will be very clammy. The content is going to be downright moldy by the time it gets to us. One such candidate from Florida is Anthony Sabatini. And Sabatini is an incumbent member of the Florida House of Representatives. So he's already an elected rep. And he is now running for Florida's 11th congressional district. And back in May of 2020, he tweeted a link to QMAP. Pub, which was once the largest

QDrop aggregator site. So there are people who are straight up, you know, tweeting, you know, Q drops and shit who are running for Congress, possibly going to expand the QAnon caucus in 2022. For my next story, QAnon follower who participated in the January 6th insurrection now says that it was a pack of lies. One of the most famous images to come out of the riots on January 6th depicted a man wearing a beanie and a

cue shirt that said, Trust the plan. And he was shown chasing a capital police officer up a fly to stairs. That man is 41-year-old Douglas Jensen, who traveled all the way from Iowa to participate in the riot. Jensen later told police that he

purposely jumped to the front of the crowd because he wanted his QAnon t-shirt to be prominently seen on TV, so that Q would, quote, get the credit for the insurrection. And I have to say, mission accomplished. I mean, if that was the goal, then when a lot of people think about the events of January 6th, they also think of Qaeda. I mean, this looks like the right is identifying that Q can open revolutionary possibilities for their movements. So Jensen was arrested on several counts, and according to a recent legal filing by his lawyers,

he claims that he had a change of heart. His lawyers say that he feels deceived, recognizing that he bought into a pack of lies. That legal filing goes on to say this. For reasons he does not even understand today, he became a true believer and was convinced he was doing a noble service by becoming a digital soldier for Q. Maybe it was midlife crisis, the pandemic, or perhaps the message just seemed to elevate him from his ordinary life to exalted status with an honorable goal. In any event, he fell victim to this barrage of internet-sourced info and came to the

Capitol at the direction of the President of the United States to demonstrate that he was a true patriot. This is, I think, an interesting strategy that has been employed by a few people representing people who are arrested as a consequence of January 6th, is basically blaming the president, blaming internet radicalization. I mean, I guess it remains to be seen how successful these strategies are. I mean, it worked okay for Anthony Camelo, who is deemed unfit to stand trial for that a murder charge. He was a Q&O follower who shot the reputed mob boss. But yeah, interesting

legal strategy. Yeah, it's the brainwashing strategy. You know, essentially these people were brainwashed by the internet and it caused them to, you know, commit violence. And so now that's legal. If you get brainwashed by the internet, you get a free crime. What free crime? Don't make it storming the capital, you dipshit. It's like the purge, but like not all on one day, just kind of like staggered throughout the year for like different tiers. It's like when your group gets called at the fucking airlines, you know? I mean, most of them would just use it to like bump everybody in the Starbucks line aside. For my next story, Cuban followers dismayed that Donald Trump will be touring with Bill O'Reilly in December.

So it was announced that former President Trump is going to tour at the end of this year. He's going to be participating in a series of paid ticketed events with Bill O'Reilly in 3. Florida, and Texas. Now, one might suspect that this would be good news for QAnon followers. You know, they finally get to see Trump again about a year after he was kicked off of social media. But it turns out that some of them were disappointed because this contradicts the widespread belief in QAnon world that Trump will return to the White House, possibly in August, you know. Sir, how did you find time for the tour? You're going to be president.

One Q&O follower on telegram named Peace Lily wrote this. She wrote this in all caps, by the way, so I'll try to read accordingly. Okay, I guess my question is Trump coming back? Why would he be doing a tour through the end of the year with O'Reilly? Hmm? Something doesn't feel right? Another telegram user named Tammy B wrote this. Is this a false flag to take the sting out of President Trump's declaration that he'll be back sooner than we think?

kind of keeping the MSM guessing. I mean, they're still doing the same thing where it's like, oh, we have no idea what the hell is going on. Therefore, the MSM and the Norma's don't either. Therefore, our confusion is good. Yeah, well, this faith that because we don't know what's going on, he must. Well, they're used to cue just asking questions, so they're like, maybe my state of confusion

where I'm nonstop asking questions is actually positive? Still another Q and on follower on Telegram named Jeff P wrote this. So now we know the plan isn't August. I'm feeling more and more like we've been fed a lot of disinformation. Right. Go with that feeling, Jeff. Really examine it, nurture it. You can do it, really that feeling of discomfort.

Don't run away from it. Lean into it. However, others still kept the faith. I saw one Q&U-N follower named John who said this. All just before Christmas. Maybe via remote from the White House to tell us of all. all the good things happening. I see.

Tell us the good news. Yeah. I want my president. I want it to be Mr. Trump and he goes and he's depresented again. I know. Won't Santa Claus do this for me? Yeah, we talk about a lot,

but like it's so sad how much, you know, the Trump losing the election has dampened the ambition of Q&O followers before it was like, worldwide revolution and peace and freedom and prosperity and Hillary and Gitmo. Now it's like,

I just want Trump in office again. I just want him. I demand the new Funko Poppy Trump. But I mean, look, they're being realistic, right? I mean, if you're, you know, at first they were expecting, you know, a new world, you know, a utopian society where the libs are crushed and sent to, you know, rehabilitation camps. But now, you know, maybe, you know, in the face of him kind of, you know,

not publicly winning the election, they're going to settle for, you know, secretly taking back. over the office at some point this year. I like the idea that Trump privately won the election. But I mean, I do wonder, Julian, if I think you were talking about it on an episode from a couple weeks ago where it's like maybe Trump like will kind of fade from the sort of hero status of, you know, the sort of general, you know, QAnon believers that push forward that are, you know, waiting for the storm.

You know, maybe they want the storm so bad that they are willing to sort of let Trump kind of fall to the wayside. If, say, a Michael Flynn or somebody that's, you know, more directly sort of responding to them kind of takes the forefront. One thing to take into account is that people realize they have no more political control, so they just want to change the products, right? So it's the same thing with this. It's like, well, at least I want him on TV. At least I want him to be honored in some way. Like, you're going to keep falling back on smaller and smaller things to demand. But the cycle of Trump having political power should, can best be compared to a huge TV show like Game of Thrones.

I think that's going to be seeing the same half-life. Like, from the day it stops airing, even if, you know, there's spin-offs or even if the actors talk about it or there's shows or whatever, you will kind of be losing power over time. But not because people turn their back on it, but just because it becomes. less relevant, time moves on. I think Trump will exist like that in culture. Yeah, yeah. Because political culture and entertainment culture exist exactly the same way. And look at what they're demanding. They're demanding his return to the spectacle. Please put him back in the fucking television where he's telling me, you know, the things I want to hear, which is essentially just a product change demand. It's just they're just doing like, they're just doing like a

survey. Which makes you wonder why Trump doesn't do his own TV network where he can be on it. He needs like a network to work for him. That's why Bill O'Reilly, that makes sense. It's almost like, you know, people saying, it's like, ah, I don't like this Jay Leno character so much. I like Johnny Carson better. I wish he would come back.

You know, it's like this, I like a, this change, this new host isn't doing it for me quite. Mike Geigate revisited. Maitgate is a story that was reported by the Guardian and the Australian news outlet crikey in 2019. That year, we also talked about it for an episode with our friends at the Bonta Vista podcast. Maitgate concerned the fact that Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison was longtime

friends with a Q-Anon influencer named Burn Spy or Burn Notice, whose real name is Tim Stewart. Now, Stewart had been a family friend of Morrison since the 90s. He and his wife regularly hung out at the official residence of the Prime Minister, where Stewart's wife was even employed as a helper, and the two families went on hulling. holidays together. Burn Spy at one time was like a mid-level Qadon influencer. He at one point was even queued or he had a post of his on Twitter that was linked to in a Q-drop. So he was, you know, he wasn't totally irrelevant. He wasn't like a huge. He wasn't Joe M level. But he was,

he did have a few tens of thousands of followers. He had some sort of some pull in the QAnon community. Now, this in the isolation isn't necessarily concerning. You know, sometimes you go through life, you discover that your friends are family are pilled. You obviously can't be held responsible for what your friends believe. But the more troubling revelation was that it appeared that Tim Stewart had the prime minister's ear, even to the extent of influencing what he said in a speech. The specific incident happened in late 2018 when Prime Minister Morrison issued a formal apology to victims of child sexual abuse in Australia. During that speech, Morrison used an unusual phrase, ritual, sexual.

abuse. The crimes of ritual sexual abuse happened in schools, churches, youth groups, scout troops, orphanages, foster homes, sporting clubs, group homes, charities, and in family homes as well. That raised eyebrows because the phrase ritual sexual abuse isn't commonly used by sexual abuse or their advocates, but Hugh and non-followers love it, probably because he invoked images of elites donning robes and tying children to stone tablets so they can be drained of their adrenochrome. Scott Morrison's office claimed that they got the phrase from victim advocates, but that doesn't quite comport with interviews conducted by the publication, Crikey.

When they asked one person who consulted with the Australian government about the speech, they said this about the phrase. We were consulting with victim groups, and if that had come up at all, we would have got rid of it. If anything, it would have been, don't use this. Also originally reported by Cricky was that in the hours before Morrison's address to Parliament, Tim Stewart sent a text to a colleague that said, I think Scott is going to do it. And then shortly after the speech, Tim Stewart posted a tweet that called special attention to the phrase. That tweet said this. What a great speech. At Scott Morrison MP acknowledging the victims of ritual

abuse. View it 606 and clip below. Now when this story broke almost two years ago, I thought it was like insane, especially insane, wasn't getting the attention I thought it deserved. Like a major head of state appeared to be getting advice from a Q&N on the follower. Now, despite my best efforts, I wasn't able to draw

sufficient attention to the story. However, the controversy reignited thanks to report from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, Television News Program, Four Corners. I wasn't familiar with this particular program. Apparently it's like the Australian in 60 minutes. The airing of this report was delayed for weeks apparently. According to the Sydney

Morning Herald, the story was originally set to run in May and had been approved by the corporation's legal department and its head of investigations. However, management at the Australian Broadcasting Corporation or ABC delayed airing the episode. This was seen by some as an attempt to dampen tensions between the national broadcaster and the federal government. However, management at the Australian in Broadcasting Corporation, delayed airing the episode. This was seen by some as an attempt to dampen tensions between the national broadcaster and the federal government. However, the episode did eventually air, and it added, I thought it was really good.

You can see it for free on YouTube, and I think it added, like, a really welcome human element to the story. The program interviewed the relatives of Tim Stewart, and they revealed that they were, like, so concerned about his beliefs, that they notified the National Security hotline. several times. The report also revealed that there were a lot more messages from Tim Stewart suggesting that he was pressuring Morrison to include the phrase ritual sexual abuse in that speech. Elah High Priest showed Four Corners messages he says Tim Stewart sent him referring to his attempts to get the words ritual abuse into the apology.

I am organizing an intimate strategy for the PM, read the ritual phrase. Okay, mate, I'm just preparing a message. to Scott now Re-Monday. Once he's awake mate, he will kick ass. Priest says he also received a text message Tim Stewart said he had sent to his wife, Linnell. An army of victims and therapists would specifically love it if Scott's apology

referenced ritual abuse victims. This exact wording is a key phrase for victims. Think of this like a code that sends a direct and clear message that they have been heard by Scott specifically. The airing of that Four Corners episode apparently intensified the degree of scrutiny on the Prime Minister for his relationship with Tim Stewart. Morrison was asked about the report during a press conference and he offered a testy response.

Before you've seen that report that Fairfax and nine newspapers are reporting that the ABC bosses blocked a Four Corners episode linking you to a Q and on figure. Are you concerned the ABC is involved in so-called vigilante journalism? were the allegations put to you and what is your connection to the man at the centre of that story? I find it deeply offensive that there would be any suggestion

that I would have any involvement or support for such a dangerous organisation. I clearly do not. It's also just very disappointing that Four Corners in their inquiries would seek to cast this aspersion not just against me but by members of my own family.

I just think that's really poor form. Thank you very much. When he says organization, it almost feels like that's a pilled statement, right? You're saying like, no, no, there is a thing. It's called Q&ON. It's like a set of like military leakers. And I know they're dangerous. And so I will not associate myself.

But it's basically not calling it an extremist movement or something. It's like an organization, you know. That report was even referenced in the Australian Parliament. Member of parliament, Chris Bowen denounce Morrison. Now, let us be clear. here, Mr Speaker, what this is not about. Who the Prime Minister is friends with is entirely a matter for him. He is not accountable

for the political views of his Prime Minister of his friends. But when this Prime Minister gets input from a conspiracy theorist for an important speech in this Chamber, he is accountable to this House and to the Australian people. He is accountable to this House and the Australian people for who

is employed at taxpayers' expense at his direction. He is accountable to this House and the Australian people for who is invited to an important part of our national estate, i.e. Kiribili House. He is accountable. Last night, four corners presented credible and indeed compelling evidence that this Prime Minister has been getting input from a conspiracy theorist for statements in this House. Ministers and the Prime Minister can not just smear four corners.

They have to answer the serious allegations that have been made. Whoa, this guy. Awesome. All right. Yeah, man, I love the parliamentary system. Everyone's just like, whenever someone gives a passionate speech, they always have your buzz. Yeah, give it to them. Ours is basically like, the gentleman, Chuck Schumer is a living, breathing, satanic pedophile. And Chuck Schumer's like, I object to the gentleman's categorization of me as a pedophile. Such ridiculous statements are immature.

The gentleman from New York's time is up. I yield the floor. Meanwhile, Tim Stewart and his son, Jesse, are still full-on cue influencers. Here's the segment in the ABC documentary describing their recent appearance on the Patriot Transition Voice, QAnon Talk Show. Tim Stewart and his son, Jesse, have become increasingly well known in the QAnon world. There's quite a story with YouTube. In November, they were interviewed on a YouTube QAnon talk show. It's an honor to be here.

Both appeared using their online personas, burn notice for Tim, and Negan HQ. for Jesse. The hosts applauded the father and son duo. It was actually kind of good. We could really start looking at things together and exploring stuff together once we knew who we were. What a great bond. I mean, that's just the great thing.

You're both like separate patriots that found out you were patriots in the same war and the same troop and the same battalion. Yeah, yeah. You didn't answer her a question, Byrne, who Q was. Who do you think Q is? Whether it's a

cosmic social experiment on humanity or a really clever person from the NSA that's just gone out on their own and gone rogue

whatever the case is it's worth keeping an eye on. You'll notice that his son went by Neegan in that clip. That's because before he got banned he had festooned his Twitter with references to the Walking Dead villain. Here's his bio.

So it's a, photo of Negan, with another photo of Negan. The username is Negan underscore HQ. The name is Negan. And Jake, please just read us this wonderful bio. I wear a leather jacket. I have Lucille, and my nut sack is made of steel. I hope you got your shitting pants on.

Kekistanni Intel, Aussie. So it's as usual, we're looking into something awful, but at the core of it, there's my nut sack is made of steel. I hope you got your shitting pants on. Which, I mean, this is why I hate doing this podcast because we don't even have any dignity. Like we, we're constantly in mudd with them because we have to cover it. Why can't the fascist threat be a little bit more respectable? This is, this is all we ask.

Cooler, right? We could be like fighting like epic villains, not someone who says, hope you got your shit and pants on. This, I suppose, was better than his previous handle, which if you remember was Jesse on your mate. Which makes little sense even for something an Australian wrote. Meanwhile, his father, Tim Stewart, has also destroyed his relationship to the majority of his close family, who appeared in the ABC News in-depth piece to describe what happened. The first voice you'll hear is Tim's mother, and the second is Karen Stewart, his sister and this week's guest.

We've watched the change over these last years be quite dramatic. That's what raises our concern that we do have family members who are involved. The Stuart family in Sydney are among those deeply concerned over QAnon's spread, as they've watched their son and brother, Tim Stewart, become immersed in its beliefs. Tim believes that the world has really been taken over by satanic pedophiles or Luciferian pedophiles, they call them, and that that is represented by the left, so the radical left. And if you don't believe in the Q-Anon perspectives, then you're a pedophile enabler. We are sitting with Karen Stewart, the sister of Tim Stewart, aka Burn Notice or Burn Spy.

Now, we've been talking for maybe almost two years, Karen. So thanks so much for finally accepting to speak with us. And welcome to the show. Yeah, thank you so much for having me. My father and I have listened to a few of your podcasts and find them very, very musing. as going a fair way back and hearing all of those things when QAnon hadn't made it far in Australia. So it helped us a lot understanding what we're dealing with. Excellent.

And, you know, over the course of the last two years, obviously we've been discussing the ongoing situation between your brother and the Prime Minister and the Q&ONN beliefs that seem to kind of have floated between them. And you've also just been sending me news of Australia to. remind me that, you know, the country is dealing with these issues in an ongoing way. Can you describe to us how you first became aware of Tim's beliefs over the course of the last few years and even maybe before QAnon? Yeah, I certainly noticed some strange things in the 2016 American election. So he would refer to Donald Trump as being anti-establishment and I would think quite the

opposite. But that was when Barack Obama's birth certificate and all that sort of stuff came around, there was a piece of legislation that was done in the Australian Parliament and the British Parliament at the same time back in 1986. And so that severed the legal ramifications between Australia and Great Britain, where anything that they passed in their parliament didn't affect Australia and that our highest court in the land was the High Court of Australia. So that was quite significant because it was important to Australia's sovereignty. But as part of that, Tim certainly believed that that was the moment when we became a corporation and we were sold to America.

So I think he got that confused with when we floated our currency, which was in 1983, but lots of people were saying, oh, when you're born, America starts up a corporation and they operate on your behalf, whether you want them to or not. So then that was when I started to think, yeah, these are pretty outlandish. And anything, the conspiracy theorist, the professional conspiracy theorist in England, it's David Eich. Anything he said, even if it was a Queen's a shape-shifting lizard, then Tim and his son, were onto that and believed it.

And so Tim and his son like this always was kind of a package. I mean, did they like feed off each other to get into these sovereign citizen beliefs, these birth or right beliefs? They eventually did, but not initially. So not until about 2018. Everything was prior to that. So I think it was really, Tim came off a low benchmark from a conspiracy theory angle. So he had prior to 2016 believed there was a secret banking system.

you could give him $10,000, and he'll turn that into a million dollars in virtually overnight. And there was this secret banking system that only the Rothschilds could access, but now he had access to it. And please give us some money, and I'll sort that out for you. So when he changed beliefs and realized that the secret banking system probably wasn't real, we were all really happy that he'd moved on to something else, only to find out it was QAnon and think, oh, no. So they became more and more outlandish.

It wouldn't matter what you said he was likely to disagree with you, but what he'd claim would be so specific that you couldn't argue a point anyway because you'd never come across anything like that when he was searching, you know, the nether regions of the internet. You couldn't dispute anything because it was so monumentally specific and ridiculous. And so around this time, in the documentary you described that these family dinners had queued on as a central topic of conversation. So does that mean the dinners that you would have without Tim? I mean, at what point was it difficult to continue getting together and having a

kind of normal or relatively normal conversation? Towards the end of 2018 was when the relationship started to really break down. But prior to that, we'd been having family dinners and we would listen to Tim's theories and things like that. He wasn't really open to having them critiqued even, so he would say, no, you've got to be free from your beliefs and open your mind and things like that. So it was very, very hard to argue against. At the end of 2018 in September, he'd had a few drinks, I'll give him that. But he was certainly really, really angry at me because I refused to say that Donald Trump was a good guy. And I said, Donald Trump doesn't care if I think he's a good guy.

It doesn't matter whether or not I say it, but I don't think he's a good guy. And so that was a really explosive night, and he was screaming, shouting at me for being judgmental and all sorts of things about Donald Trump. But I didn't have to have a view on Donald Trump. I can't vote in America. So I can just watch. be entertained by his oddities. So it was really then when we all started to break down and he refused, he often then

didn't come out to see us because he lives about an hour away. So that relationship, even with my parents, sort of started to become quite strained. And I realized too that then he would talk to mum for sometimes hours and hours on the phone. And so I sort of had a chat with her and said You may well be enabling some of these beliefs Because he thinks that you're listening and agreeing just by Uh-huh, uh-huh, because you can't get a word in Right

And so as it became more volatile than as a family We had to make some decisions as to how we dealt with this Because we felt it was becoming obsessive We couldn't talk about anything else that was he if he was there. And so, I mean, this is something that we've seen with many families. We have a recent episode called Qa Mom, where we spoke to somebody who spoke to the media with her mother. But it turns out that with your family, it also has other repercussions beyond that pain and that damage,

which is that his relationship with the prime minister became a meaningful public story, a debate in Australia. Yeah, it's really only become mainstream media just in the last month, really. So Cardi in Australia covered it back at the end of 2019. But Tim and Scott Morrison and Tim's wife, Lonell are friends with Scott and Jenny Morrison, and they have been for 30 years. There is a strong relationship there. I guess the problem that came about was when we realised that Scott had changed a word, that Tim had told us, Scott had changed a word to include the phrase ritual, sexual abuse

in a nationally, it was a national apology to people who had been abused by institutions and had it covered up over a period of time. So we had a Royal Commission, which is our top-level inquiry, and we realised after those findings that it was systemic across many institutions that child abuse had been covered up, quite to it, the highest, It was terrible. So some of that therefore matched with that Luciferian pedophile concept. So, okay, there's going to be a Satanist around every corner. And, you know, these people that claim they were abused and trafficked and things like that,

we need the word ritual in there to ensure that that covers off anyone that was abused by Satan and Satan's followers and things like that. Despite the fact that a lot of these were in religious institutions. Yeah, quite the opposite. And so that was, it became so outlandish. You can't ignore it. But there was one woman in Australia who's made some very big claims that she was trafficked as a youngster and traffic to people like Richard Nixon and then famous cricket players

here, former prime ministers, from the age, almost from baby to age 15, I think she's made these claims. Now, they have been looked in to by police. they don't seem to be well-founded, and a lot of people don't believe her. But she has a big following, especially from people in the US. But it was her that really wanted that word ritual included in the speech because she felt that that would cover off all of those people like her that had been trafficked by Satanists in some sort of weird cult.

And so Tim and my brother Tim and a couple of other people, including this one woman, went out of their way to say, you know, how can we? make this happen and Tim then spoke to his wife who was at that point she had access to curabilly house by virtue of her friends Scott and Jen's curabilly house is where the prime minister often resides in Sydney she was a long time nanny even before being employed in that capacity as well right yeah that's right she's she was good enough friend and so she was often looking after the prime minister's kids and dog um in order that to you know have them some normal life and she'd take them to school and things like that.

That was her help. So it was not an unusual thing for her to be employed in that capacity because she was already doing it. But it is unorthodox that then information was passed to the Prime Minister. And so in his national apology speech, spoken in Parliament, it was a huge event, and he popped that word ritual, sexual abuse. That was the shout-out to QAnon, and they all went crazy on Twitter as a result of that. But there was a blogger in Australia who also recognized that that was likely to be a shout-out to the Q-Anon world.

And so it wasn't only our family that recognized how big that word was in Q&ONN circles. So speaking about this apology for decades of abuse and the cover-ups, within these institutions in Australia, you are yourself a victim of sexual assault as a child and you watched this apology and at the same time you knew of your brother's belief. So kind of how did you take that apology? I took it in initially in the sense I believed it was given. So we just had a bit of a kerfuffle with the prime ministers at that point. And so Scott Morrison overthrew the former prime minister and took leadership.

So the bulk of the speech would have been prepared probably by the former Prime Minister who is quite a, I believe, a lovely man. So at the time I took it in a positive way as being an apology to me for what had been covered up as all the other survivors did too. When the word ritual came along, I thought, okay, that stood out as being odd, but at that point I didn't know that was deliberate. it. So then suddenly I was getting messages from my nephew who was saying ritual abuse, ritual abuse. No one else in Parliament has ever used those phrase. This is the first time. And so I

realized that they had then colluded and coerced the Prime Minister, I believe, to include that word. So that was a shattering moment for me because suddenly the National Apology that should have been about my child sexual abuse became about QAnon. And so I guess my brother had inserted his cultish beliefs into my emotional healing as a result of that National Apology speech being affected by that. And so I felt that was a betrayal, but also just a lack of gravitas, how to not realize this is a somber situation and cults don't have any place in affecting that outcome. So yeah, it was, it was really shattering for a long time before I worked out how I was going to deal with it, which is sort of how everything, how it's come into the

mainstream now. What I noticed also in the ABC reporting is just how much more information and clarity has come out about their relationship, you know, they really are very close. You know, the prime minister will make happy birthday comments under his photos and they'll go back and forth with jokes and another family member will jump in. But also, it made it clear just how much he had alienated everyone else. So you received this text from his son, Jesse, and Tim is thinking about all of these beliefs and he's you know until until the the break happened in the family and and you got together less I'm assuming you had time to hear a lot of his beliefs so could you just tell us a bit about how Tim viewed the world and what QAnon

meant to him I'll just preface that with the fact my father was a public servant in Canberra which is our capital city and so he worked at Department of Foreign Affairs and attorney General's office, so he was very politically savvy, and then he became a minister, so then he was savvy, his knowledge was savvy about religion. So we were raised on the politics and religion conversation that most other families would probably avoid. So Tim then decided he was going to throw away mainstream beliefs and broaden his mind, and that's really where he found himself in the fringes of the internet. So they have always believed Satanists had taken over the world. That's, you know, underpins the whole Q&N concept. He believes the number 34 is something

special and I think it is in numerology circles and the occult. And that's why he called himself a burn spy 34. And a lot of his other Twitter handles included the number 34 as well. So I don't know what that number means. I really don't care one way or the other. But the whole Clinton Foundation, they believe that. The Red Shoes concept, now we had our deputy leader of our Liberal Party in Australia, had red shoes, and she handed those to our museum in Canberra. Right. And so for them, suddenly, okay, well, she's a cult leader. She's a pedophile because she had red shoes. Then they believed that Trump at the border with removing the kids and putting them in cages.

Now, I'm never sure how accurate some of those are. But Jesse believed that at that point, Donald Trump was organizing DNA testing on all the adults and the children to make sure that they weren't their children and so they were really helping by removing the kids from their family. Oh, wow, that's a stretch. As I understand it in your medical system,

lots of things aren't covered by the government. so I found it fairly outlandish that Donald Trump was going to fork out for DNA testing for all these kids, but that was one of them. The Queen being a shape-shifting lizard, and apparently the photos are there to be found. I didn't unearth any myself. Then you've got just the basics that have hung around for a while, like the flu-ride in the water, the chem trails from the plains. Then we had anyone affiliated with Epstein, except for Trump, of course, is a,

A pedophile, then you have the celebrities, so Robert De Niro, Tom Hanks, probably Meryl Streep, anyone who spoke out against Trump, straight away they were pedophiles. Isaac Cappy also, now I had no idea who that guy was. I thought I saw a call where Isaac Cappy was actually on the same call as Tim, or was I dreaming? No, no, they were corresponding online, but Isaac Cappy came out and stayed with Tim for a couple of days. and so they did a lot of live stuff on Periscope, which I watched, and I think most of them were just stoned and ranting, that's how it looked to me. So Isaac Cappy brought with him that Hollywood element

that anyone who donated to the Democrats was a pedophile, which was fairly, there was a clear line between Democrats and Republicans and everyone, every Democrat was a pedophile, and that was the, Or maybe the Bush family, they might have been pedophiles as well. So it was really just building their own world. And so Isaac Cappy, who later took his own life and is now kind of broadly considered as a martyr for the Qadon caused by them, of course. It doesn't appear that that's like, you know, stands up to reality check. But, you know, how did your brother take that death and does it kind of, you know, make him want to keep fighting for this stuff?

Yeah, it had a big effect on Jesse more so than Tim, I think, and he'd really become a nabbered, I guess with the Hollywood hype that Isaac Cappy came with, but in Australia, I don't think I had any idea who he was. So, yeah, I think Jesse felt that that was a horrible thing, and he was CIA killed Cappy, of course, it wasn't a suicide in their minds, so it was probably Jesse that it's Boyd with him, he's probably likely to keep fighting for Kappi because he was murdered by, I don't know, probably the same person that killed Seth Rich is what I am assuming, the deep state taking people out if you're too close to the truth.

And so, you know, the journey of both Tim and his son, Jesse, as QAnon influencers, had led them to meet a guy called Ella High Priest who claims, publicly that Tim, who went by Byrne Spy, was bragging about his close relationship with the PM and bragging about inserting specifically the ritual, sexual abuse words, into the speech. So can you tell us a bit more about that aspect? And is he still an influencer now that Twitter's gone? I think they're still pretty functional over on Gab. And I've had a bit of a look over there and it just looks like a far-right place to air any sort of grievance about the lefties and normies, that sort of thing. So I've stayed away from.

from Gab, but yeah, they're still pretty big over on that platform. But Twitter, pretty much, that was all kicked off there eventually. Now, Elehi Priest, he was never, I don't believe he was ever a Q and non-believer, but he had his beliefs by way of, you know, predophile rings and things like that. He probably agreed with some of that. I think he comes from a place of wanting to improve the world. I've never spoken to him, but I have received some messages. I believe that came about in relation to Isaac Capi.

I think Isaac Capi must have sort of spoken to both Elehi Priest and Tim and Jesse and said, oh, you two should get together, which then Isaac Capi came out and introduced them all and off they went on their merry little jaunts on, you know, smoking how many doobies they could get down that day. And so, yeah, I don't understand that relationship. relationship with Elehigh Priest, and I'm not even sure why it broke down, but that was where Ella High Priest then published a lot of information relating to Tim and Scott Morris and the Prime Minister. And I mean, who wouldn't brag a little bit if you were friends with the highest

office in the land? So I can understand that, yeah, but I think that's been exploited by a number of people. And certainly in the story that was covered by Four Corners recently with our family, they found quite a number of sources where Tim had mentioned the friendship and what had happened. So it's certainly, he hasn't helped by choosing some friends that then ended up falling out with. But they're going to come out with all the info. So that's really what Elehi Priest is done. And I think he has quite a big following. So it did come to light. It really did take a while, though. And so, you know, today does Tim still hang out with the prime minister? And my other question, I suppose, is what do you think the prime minister makes of him? Like,

oh, this is my, you know, kind of my friend who rants a lot and is into conspiracy theories, but he's still my friend. Or, oh, I love how he thinks, but maybe he's a bit extreme. I mean, obviously this is, We're just kind of speculating here, obviously, but I'd love to know your opinion on that. Yesterday on one of our radio stations, Scott Morrison, said that he hadn't seen Tim in a long time. And so he sort of said, well, my relationship was with Linnell rather than Tim. And so he's definitely distancing himself from Tim at the moment. There was a source to the Four Corners story who actually said that Tim had told him, I'm going to have to disassociate myself from you until this blows over.

Now, that's not verbatim. So he's definitely not acknowledging that they're friends and he had this crazy belief, which would have been quite the simplest way to acknowledge it. So no, he's backing away saying, I don't know that. But even by saying, well, I'm still friends with Linnell, that doesn't get him off the hook because Tim was using Linnell to get the messages to Scott anyway. And so that was all being passed along. So I think Scott's going to double down on this and say that he had nothing to do with it

and the word ritual came from elsewhere. But from all the recommendations and the findings from that Royal Commission, the word ritual was never there. and so I think Scott's probably got some answers that he has to provide because it's now been mentioned in Parliament as well so that's going to require some answers but he's not one for giving very good answers at any time let alone over something like these.

Often with figures like Tim and Jesse online you wonder whether they believe in what they talk about But Tim has been writing papers, if not what he calls books on his blog, ranging back to 2017, very early days of Q. What do you think? Do you think that both Tim and Jesse are truly waiting for the storm? They really believe those gallows are going up? Or is there an element of finding a community and a fun game to play? I think the sense of community was first and foremost, because I was just looking back now over messages Jesse had sent me.

And he was saying, oh, it's so loving and supportive in this environment. So that might have been where it becomes a little bit of an online family. Certainly, as time went on, they started to believe more and more. And I would say Jesse has become quite fanatical. So I believe they genuinely think that pedophiles have taken over the world. And I think they would stand by those beliefs. Tim has not disavowed Q and on any interview that he was subject to a few, oh, probably 18 months ago.

He's never denied that his beliefs with QAnon by any stretch of the imagination. So I believe they are both sold out on this. It's not just a game. Tim views this as his destiny and that this is going to be his mark upon the world. And, you know, what of his partner who has a job or had a job, and this is kind of, you know, is now being propelled into the news. Is there a sense that Tim is a liability to his own, even his own kind of family? Or, I mean, how does she take having a husband and a son that are so profoundly red-pilled?

Yeah. I don't know that she knew initially what was happening, but she couldn't have missed the conversations. Now, Tim and Lonell support each other so firmly that it's, it's, They won't critique each other. That's what I've watched. Whatever happens behind closed doors, different story, but they will always back each other up on whatever claims made. And so I think she probably had to leave her position as employed at Curabilly House,

where the residence is, because of Tim. Because everyone has to pass national security checks. So if you've got someone who's partner and son, are really hardcore proponents of QAnon. You shouldn't pass those security clearances. So the fact that she did is of extreme concern. But I think there's been times where she's promoted those writings of Tim's, that blog, and has used the hashtag The Great Awakening.

So I think she must be aware of what's going on, but it would align with her religious beliefs as well because there's that big evangelical Christian overlap from QAnon to your old just-just-standard churches. And so I think that's where the confusion could come from, even with Scott Morrison. So he's a, you know, Pentecostal Christian. And so they're always talking about this spiritual warfare, armor of God. And so that really does overlay the whole concept of QAnon. and I think that is the reason why it would be believable to other Christians

because they do want to fight the Satan and send him back to hell and read the Bible God wins as though it's a novel. So that whole concept could underlie her beliefs, therefore she would support Tim to a certain degree, definitely. What do you make of the own prime minister's belief system, having been so close to Tim, having kind of distance himself, but also coming from this Pentecost, background. Look, I hate the concept of church and state being intertwined, and at the moment

there is actually a big presence trying to cement that relationship between church and state, and that's quite worrying. As a Pentecostal Christian, no one really understands what that means. Are these just the god-botherers, the happy clappers, and they dance and speak in tongues? I think the Prime Minister spoke recently at a Pentecostal convention, and he said, well, when I'm shaking hands with people, that's when I'm praying for them and laying on of hands. And that in itself is an imposition of his beliefs upon anybody else. So I think it's quite worrying that that's what he's going around doing, and he's, you know, he's God put him in this position.

And so I think those, that Pentecostal religion has only been around since, you know, 1901, really. So this is a new denomination in the Christian circles, but it's established itself so neatly into the fabric of society. And these are big, big organisations now, Hillsong and C3. I think you've got Hillsong now in America. And Justin Bieber was a member of it or something like that at some point. So they certainly are a behemoth and I worry about that because I find Pentecostalism to be somewhat superficial. As a person who has gone through your own life experiences of abuse and cover up by institutions, what do you make of this claim of saving the children that is at the core of a lot of QAnon beliefs and certainly your brother's beliefs?

The Save the Children, that was very clever marketing from their standpoint, as horrific as it has been, because all they're doing is giving unfounded or ill-founded beliefs onto the organisation in America, whose acronym escapes me, who look for missing children. So they're getting all of these tip-offs that are absolute rubbish. And so they're becoming clogged in the system as to, whether or not it's a real lead and it is a missing child or whether it's just a Q&ONM missing child. And I think I've run into enough people online who will say, well, you were sexually assaulted. You should be on this.

You should want to make sure that you're helping. And I said, well, because I'm a sexual assault survivor, that's the opposite. If I started hanging around QAnon people and hunting pedophiles online, then I'm creating a fixation that's unhealthy for me. And so I see other people saying, well, I've been sexually abused as a child and that's why I want to fight this. And I thought, no, it's damaging. That level of propaganda is going to give them or create that hyper focus on a topic that is damaging to anyone who's a survivor in reality. And so I found that what I found strange was there was, the church where my assault happened was the minister was retiring.

And so my mum and dad were going over there and they were expecting that one or both perpetrators were going to be there. So mum sort of said, okay, I'm going to say something. If I run into them, I'm going to have a say. And it's, mum's pretty daunting when she gets up a full head of steam. So she was talking with Tim about this and Tim then said, don't expect me to back you up. Now, if your Q&ONN, isn't that what you would be doing?

If you're faced with someone who had sex with a minor, yeah, you probably, isn't that the shining moment for a Q&ONN supporter, that they go, yep, guess what I did today? I left my keyboard and I actually approached someone and had it out with the fact he'd abused my sister. But he just backed away and said, no, which is really, really peculiar. And for what reason to salvage his relationship to that church or to all of these churches, or what? I would say to that church. He'd never given a reason. And mum was somewhat perplexed as well.

But it could have been because Scott and Jen Morrison were likely to be at that same church retirement party. So he wouldn't have wanted to do anything that could be construed as unorthodox while they're there, I guess. because the prime minister was actually an elder at the church where I was abused. So that's another complicating factor. Strangely enough, when I go back to 1990 when my abuse happened, Tim was the youth leader at that church. And so he did inform the minister at that point in time. So he acted in good faith back then,

and they were some of his best years where he was very supportive. So back then, that was the action he'd taken, but now suddenly sought to not do that, even though it had been a police matter. And so that was more what mum wanted to come in him and say, well, you ruined my daughter's life, only one of them that was there because there were two perpetrators. So dad ended up chatting with him about it. But it is strange that Tim and or Jesse, I'm not sure if Jesse attended, but you would think that's the highlight and I don't know whether he's acting in a certain way because most of the

Q&on people I've experienced have been online so you don't always get a sense of what they're up to and how they think it's it's quite a bizarre I know they have this mass mindset but then you have sort of within that hive mind you have some weird people believing that the earth is flat and things like that it's hard to predict what anyone QAnon follower is actually actually believing or what their truth is on any given day. Yeah. Because they change so much. Yeah.

Yeah. And they even claim, oh, well, actually, QAnon doesn't even exist now. Like there's a million techniques to obscure, you know. Oh, yes. And that was one of the weird things. So Tim, I remember he was saying, no, no, there's no name. We're not called Q&ONs, but there is someone online that's called themselves Q that does have a place in our lives, was sort of how he made it into that.

airy, fairy thing, until mum heard him on the YouTube clip where he was, I can't remember the other guy, but beer at the parade was one of the Twitter handles that they interviewed Tim and Jesse, and even in that, they were referring themselves to themselves as Q&ONs. So clearly they're underneath that label, no matter what, they can't deny that. I can't thank you enough for sharing your story with us, Karen, and next time we will speak more clearly about what time zones are and how they function so you don't get up at 5 a.m. I'm so sorry. No, don't worry. Thank you so much, and I'd love to know if you have anything to plug, you know, where people can find you if you want them to.

I do run a blog called karenthinksaloud.com.com.com.com and that's where I critique most religious beliefs, but I would classify myself as an anti-theist rather than an atheist. So I certainly pick up hypocrisy and things like that and write about it. So that would be the only thing I could plug. Well, thank you once again for coming on the show. Thank you so much, Karen. Lovely. Thanks for chatting and inviting me.

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And now, today's AutoCube. Tim Stewart told four corners, I am too busy to read questions relating to the nonsense that's been put out there, which are just hit pieces. I don't promote or support any kind of violence. Four Corners has learned that Linnell Stewart stopped working at Kiribilly House at the end of last year.

Scott Morrison did not respond on the record to Four Corners questions about whether he and Tim Stewart are still friends. Thank you.