QAA Podcast - Episode 170: UK "Satan Hunters" Kidnap Child

Episode Date: December 14, 2021

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What's up QAA listeners? The fun games have begun. I found a way to connect to the internet. I'm sorry, boy. Welcome listener to Chapter 170 of the Q&ONANANANANANANAS podcast, the Anglese Kidnapping episode. As always, we are your host, Jake Rakatansky, Annie Kelly, Julian Field, and Travis View.

This week, UK correspondent Annie Kelly, is taking us to the heart of a very strange case of satanic panic in the UK, one that resulted in violence and even the kidnapping of a child. Called Satan Hunters, due to their obsession with quote-unquote satanic ritual abuse, this is the story of an organized gang of conspiracy theorists in the UK who took their claims way, way too far, and turned social media videos into weapons that destroyed innocent people's lives and tore families apart.

But before all that, QAnon News. The big story this week is that the self-proclaimed Queen of Cannes, has been arrested. Oh, no. We have to put the gold fringe flags at half-mast. Yeah. So perhaps you'll recall the story of Romana Dietolo. This is the woman who started the strange breakaway QAnon cult in Canada. She's not to be confused with Michael Protsman, aka negative 48, who started the strange breakaway Q&N cult that is active mostly in Dallas. So they're two bizarre, dangerous, troubling Qaeda cult. So it's important not to get them mixed up. And it's important to know the difference now before there are too many

breakaway Q&9 calls to keep track of easily. Let's play a game of pick up your marbles after dropping them on a steel grate. Romana Didlo gained some notoriety for claiming that she is the Queen of Canada, saying that Queen Elizabeth II had been executed for crimes against humanity

and instructing her followers to issue cease and desist orders to institutions that follow and force pandemic mandates. They would just go in, says like, in a very polite Canadian way, tell them that they had better stop, you know, telling people to wear masks. Yeah. Sometimes they would be like, I want to speak to the police chief and hand this to him directly.

Now, Dietolo didn't really have a large following until she was boosted by U.S. and U.S. and U.K. based Q&N. influencers earlier this year. Dietlo's rhetoric has always been weird and hostile and kind of violent, but it escalated recently in a very serious way. As Mack Lamarrow recently reported for Vice News, in late November, Deidlo demanded the mass arrest of people she considers her opposition and for her soldiers to take control of newspapers and seize the border. One post said, quote, shoot to kill anyone who tries to inject children under the age of 19 years old with coronavirus 19 vaccines slash bio-weapons or any other vaccines. This order is effective immediately. She also said, quote, please use airports, hospitals,

schools, stadiums, and other public venues to hold and detain all traders. They will stay there until military tribunal is held for each one until the day they are executed via firing squad or hanging. Deelot calls her arm followers duck hunters, and they're starting to use that term in kind of concerning ways. For example, one follower on Telegram wrote, quote, I have offered my life for humanity and joined our Canadian duck hunters.

Oh boy. Another follower posted a picture of firearms on a table and wrote, quote, a few duck hunters coming in can stay with me. I'm ready. All my hunting gear is ready. let's roll. But was it a Nintendo pistol? No, no. It's a very much real rifle, actually. Oh, boy. You can get that Nintendo pistol, though. I think Glock makes a... Oh, I think Travis is referring to the Super Nintendo one that was like a bazooka, right? That's what he had on the table? Yes, yes. The S-N-E-S, oh my gosh, what was

that called? Something scope? Yes. Super scope. That's right. Christ. All right, sorry, yes. No, it's a real rifle, to be clear. Now, authorities in Canada took these threats, On November 27th, Royal Canadian Mounted Police's integrated national security enforcement team served Diedelow with a search warrant and told her that she was being detained under British Columbia's Mental Health Act. Under a section of that law, police can issue a warrant to apprehend someone for up to 48 hours for a mental health assessment. However, Diedelow has not yet been charged with anything quite yet. That may change. One of Diedelow's followers was also arrested.

A father from LaValle, Quebec, made a post on telegram that she said, showed basically an announcement of the start of a vaccination campaign at his daughter's school. He included the comment, quote, it's time to go hunting bang, bang. No. Oh, that's no. No, good. Police traced this post to his author, and he was arrested on December 2nd. So, yeah, so, I mean, it's...

Things are falling apart for the kingdom. Things are falling apart, and they're mutating in really horrifying ways. I mean, it's so bizarre that this woman who, you know, talks about, like, aliens. a lot, like, you know, the Galactic Council and, like, all these other concerning things, and, like, bizarre nonsense about, like, you know, how she's the true Queen of Canada, may, you know, quite conceivably incite some genuine violence. The Anglesey Kidnapping. Hello there, my sweet little dumplings.

It's your UK correspondent Annie Kelly transmitting to you once again. It may seem like every time I come on here, it's a talk about a new satanic panic, and strangely enough, today is going to be no different. Believe it or not, this is less to do with my own research interests, and more to do with the British Isles' unique position over a hellmouth and several laylines, making it a world-leading epicentre of satanic activity. This is a very strange and sad story, which centres around a digital community of people for whom the satanic panic of the 1980s and 90s never really ended. They insist that that historic scare, in which innocent daycare and social workers were falsely accused and in some places imprisoned, for taking part and supposed satanic ritual abuse on their young charges, all really happened and has been covered up by paedophile elites determined to never let the truth come out.

Their network is a small but odd community, comprised of Facebook groups, Telegram chats and YouTube channels, which all claim to perform a mixture of advocacy and therapy for past victims of satanic abuse, investigations of alleged Satanists, and perhaps most saliently in this case, activism, both to gain more publicity for the cause and to help children they believe to be in the care of Satanists. They are referred to by their critics as vigilante Satan hunters. This is a digital network I've been following with interest for some time now due to their natural overlap with things like QAnon. But at the same time, I've always been kind of hesitant to cover, since they seem so small and honestly kind of irrelevant. In the past

year, they've started getting scattered newspaper headlines here and there due to the sudden arrival on the scene of a charismatic influencer called Jeanette Archer, who claims to have been raised in a secret satanic cult led by her grandfather. Archer has mobilised a small group of followers to hold tiny but vocal protests outside of Westminster and Windsor Castle, where she goes on long rants about her supposed abuse at the hands of the royal family, who, you guessed it, are all Satanists too. My name is Jeanette Archer. I am a survivor of satanic ritual abuse. I am also a survivor of our royal family. Today I have chosen to return to Windsor Castle to tell the world the truth about what really goes on inside those walls. Thank you guys. Today I want to tell the world about what these

people really are, especially her that wears the crown. As a child, the police would come to my home and collect me, and they would bring me here. Uniformed police in their police cars would collect me and bring me here. The police who swear an oath to serve and protect the public, they would deliver me to the evil that is behind these gates. What I am sure of, though, is those waiting for me to be delivered, for us to arrive. Groups of children. They wouldn't have known that actually it was the police that would always rape us first. They thought behind those walls that had been delivering pure children that hadn't been tampered with, but I was beaten and raped multiple times before I even was put in the car to be

brought here. So here I am, stood here for the first time as an adult survivor and ready to tell the world the truth about Windsor Castle, ready to tell the world the truth about the evil atrocities that are inflicted on children at the hands of our royal family. My time spent here took me to the depths of depravity, a hell on earth that only a survivor of satanic ritual abuse can ever understand. The main events, and they are events, they're advertised on the satanic calendar, they have their own calendar. It's a satanic ritual abuse calendar. There's a big date coming up at the end of this month. It's called Halloween. All Hallows Eve. They celebrate Halloween in there, but not like you do, with fireworks, masks, pumpkins, they celebrate Halloween in there

with mass sacrifice of babies and children, mass rituals. That's how they celebrate Halloween. And that's coming up in a couple of weeks. So in this week's leading up to Halloween, do you know what they're doing? They've got their minions. They've got their minions out on the streets, abducting children. They've got their breeders that are bred, raped, impregnated. So their babies are born, ready for November.

Sorry, October 31st, ready for mass sacrifice. Have I gone off? Mass rituals. That's how they celebrate Halloween. That is, oy, ve. It's so weird because, I don't know, it almost feels like, I don't know, Shakespearean, like the way they're like, okay, and now the one minute of hate. And like the whole crowd like starts to rabble on about like the very specific things they hate all at once.

Yeah. It felt like there was a fight in the audience, but everyone was just yelling at invisible people that weren't there. Yeah, when all the crowd starts yelling like scum, scum, scum, freemones, scum, freemortes. Yeah, free basins. It's got like a real medieval feel to it. Yeah, absolutely. It really does. It took me back to the days, this is horrible to say,

of like playing Fable when you first enter a town and all of the NPC villagers are like, you know, calling out stuff. I mean, it has that real sort of like medieval rabble-rous crowd. That's so true. It is a lot like a Peter Malinue game. This is how Jake sees all British people, just as NPCs from Fable. Also, all history is permutations of Malianna games. Actually, it kind of reminds me of like you're talking about

Well, Shakespeare, it reminds me of that scene in Julius Caesar or Mark Antony does like a funeral oration for the crowd. But what he does is that he riles up the crowd with anger for the conspirators who killed Julius Caesar. And all of a sudden, they're all furious at what has been done. This podcast is so great. We've got high culture, low culture, Shakespeare comparisons, video game comparisons. Well, I mean, why would you have one analogy when you can have three? Now, I've always believed in this line of work, research and conspiracy theories and reactionary politics in general, that you have to be careful about what you publicise. There's plenty of weirdos out there on the internet after all, and with people like Archer, attention of any kind is clearly what she's angling for.

So it's a question of whether the risk that a group poses outweighs the risk of giving them that attention that they crave. Initially, I thought that it didn't. I might be an exceedingly loyal subject to the crown, but I do recognize. that they're perfectly capable of looking after themselves, and I somehow doubt our revered head of state loses sleep over a handful of people standing outside her house calling her Freemason Scum. But my reluctance to discuss the Satan Hunters changed when a new story about a court case broke in October 2021. The court case centered around a child kidnapping on the Welsh island of Anglesey, which happened on the 4th of November 2020. The kidnapping had been planned

for months prior, when a woman named Anchor Hill got in contact with a man named Wilfred Wong to ask for help with rescuing a child known to her who she suspected of being a victim of satanic ritual abuse. Hill was so certain of this fact that she had already reported her suspicions to the police, who had investigated her claims but found no evidence of abuse. During investigation, the child was taken into foster care. Hill became convinced that this meant that both the police and the foster care system were institutionally captured by Satanists. This is probably why she got in contact with Wilfred Wong. Wong was something of a micro-celebrity in this small but ferocious group of British Satan hunters.

For one thing, he had an air of legitimacy as a former barrister, who had a long political career in Christian campaign movements, mostly in pro-life lobbying organisations. At one point in the 90s, he even worked in Parliament as a researcher for an MP, David Alton, who famously left Liberal Democrat Party when they liberalised their policy platform on abortion. As the political landscape in Britain changed, and abortion became less of a viable political football, Wong's rhetoric became more extreme. He began an organization called Khazra, coalition against satanic ritual abuse, giving seminars to pro-life activists in which he urged guerrilla tactics against abortion clinics and claim that UK abortion rates are linked

to high-profile Satanists who aim to, quote, undermine and transform society. According to the journalist Sean Norris, he also states that Islam and Satanism share a common goal, quote, which is the destruction of Christianity. While repeating a myth, that changing demographics mean that Christians are starting to become outnumbered by Muslims in the EU. At an anti-abortion activist training event in 2019, Wong defended prayer vigils outside abortion clinics, arguing that they were necessary, as prayer can prevent an abortion from working. Wait, I mean, I've heard of manifestation, I've heard of the secret, but this is new to me. I don't know. Here's the thing. If you're performing ceremonies you think are having material

effects in the real world, then maybe don't criticize other people for engaging in the cult rituals. Yes, exactly. It's like you're trying to invade a woman's body to stop a choice she made. Yeah, it would be cool if we could just do like a Christian version of possession. Before his arrest, he appeared on several prominent British Satan Hunter's podcasts and YouTube channels to promote the conspiracy theory about widespread satanic ritual and abuse and complain about how the phenomenon was no longer taken seriously by institutions. of power. Yeah.

They used to be so down for this stuff. I mean, what happened? The institutions won't even do the satanic panic with us anymore. I mean, yeah, that's literally it. I guess he was like literally in Parliament, right, when the first one was happening and then just lost all of his political capital as a result. Honestly, it's, I think that McCarthyists have it best. They got it to come back properly.

Not like this. Social services, when I first started 27 years ago on SRA, were at that time doing more to try and expose SRA much more than they do now. If you read of some of the older SRA cases in the UK, in books like blasphemous rumors or children for the devil, you will see that it was often social workers who were blowing the whistle and saying this is SRA. And then taking flag for saying that from some different people who, were either way too skeptical or had a vested interest in covering it up. That was in the early days of SRA being exposed. It first started being exposed in the UK, in modern times at least,

in the 1980s. Yeah. And often it was social workers who were on the front line of helping to expose it. I was even invited in 1993 to write an article for social work magazine. Today, that would be unheard of because I'm talking too much about SRA without diluting the message and criticizing social services for not doing their job. Unfortunately, as often happens, when the Satanists see a group or an organization that is threatening their existence by exposing their deeds, they infiltrate it and change it from within. He seems like a smart guy. What's going on?

I mean, how do you get pilled on this stuff? Jake, asking the question that our podcast literally has been answering for 300 episodes. He seems like a reasonable guy. He's got a bunch of books behind him. I see a couple books on the shelf there. He's got glasses. I mean... He's got fucking books, Annie, okay?

Books. He's got glasses? And guaranteed not half of those are different editions of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It was on the understanding that Wong was a self-proclaimed expert in Satanist activity that Angahill got in touch with him, and the two began to hatch a plot, recruiting accomplices from their network to, quote, rescue the child from their foster home. One of these accomplices was Janet Stevenson, Hill's therapist, who testified that she had believed Hill's claims that the child's father was a Satanist after having seen some of the child's

concerning drawings. In the United Kingdom, therapists, often self-described and with little to nothing in the way of qualifications, have always seemed to make up a significant portion of the Satan Hunter network. They were a key component in the moral panic back in the 1980s and 90s, mostly through their claims that they could uncover suppressed memories of the abuse through hypnosis and other methods. This is now an increasingly controversial therapeutic practice, mainly due to the vast array of evidence we now have that patients can be led into constructing memories of events that verifiably never happened.

As an academic article called Past Life Identities, UFO Abductions, and Satanic Ritual Abuse, the social construction of memory shows. If they were real, the ritual satanic crimes remembered by patients which require a monumental criminal conspiracy that has been in existence for at least 50 years and that has been responsible for the murder of thousands of people. The FBI and other law enforcement agencies throughout North America

have investigated many satanic abuse allegations made by multiple personality disorder patients, but have been unable to substantiate the existence of the requisite criminal conspiracy. Some patients report memory fragments or dreams with satanic content and only after are exposed to hypnotic interviews aimed at confirming such abuse. However, since many patients are enmeshed in a social network where they hear about satanic abuse from other patients, therapists, and shared newsletters, and where they or their fellow patients attend workshops devoted to such abuse,

spontaneous dreams and memories do not provide serious evidence of actual ritual abuse. I mean, yeah, it's the same thing where it's like it's mutual, you know, paranoid by social network. And it's also, it's also frustrating when, like, you know, the problems in your life seem to make sense in light of the satanic ritual abuse you sincerely believe happened to you. And all of a sudden you have a network of people agreeing with you when supporting you when saying that you're fighting a righteous cause, exposing. this. I mean, I imagine it's very difficult when you're all of a sudden you're getting all of this validation as a consequence of being a part of this satanic ritual abuse community. Yeah, I mean, I think that's exactly it. Sometimes when you're researching this stuff, you kind of get this urge to be like, you know, is this person straightforwardly lying?

Are they telling the truth? And actually, I think almost none of them think they're lying. Do you know? I don't think many of them think of themselves as consciously lying at all. Yeah. Even if they're talking about things that, yeah, as the art of said most verifiably didn't happen but it's about how memories are not to be trusted essentially and can be altered and can be influenced and especially yeah if you happen to be in a network where this is all anyone ever talks about then it's really going to be influenced and one thing i find interesting is that even jeanette archer who's like the network star speaker who you know goes up and gives these public testimonies has admitted in interviews that she didn't remember her abuse until going

through what sounds like a major depressive episode in adulthood Well, it was at 28 that I recovered my memories. And how did that come about? What happened was I'd been suicidal on and off for a few years. I lived in a flat that was on the eighth floor and I had this plan that if ever I needed to, I would just go off the balcony. Now, knowing I had that escape route was my comfort. That was what kept me being able to face another day because I had a choice.

Of like, well, come on, Jeanette, get through another day. And if it's too much, you can go to the balcony. There's a famous quote from Nietzsche says, thoughts of suicide got me through many a troubled night. Exactly. Exactly. That's perfect. That's spot on.

It kept me alive. My suicide plan kept me alive. She's just such a contradiction, isn't it? So there was my plan, yeah, that kept me going. And I used to have many a sort of evening where I'd just be laying on my bed and daydreaming about the plan and how lovely that would be. And this one day, I'd had another broken relationship. In fact, I'd actually come to trust somebody,

which was such a massive thing for me, and they just broke that trust, you know, monumentally. So I was upset because of that, and I just got to the end of the road, and I was sat in the bath, actually, and I was just crying and crying and I just looked up, I'm not religious, I just looked up and said, okay, I know there's something wrong with me. I know I have buried memories.

I know there's something I'm not seeing. I'm hiding from myself. I'm going to make a deal. Either you show me now the truth so I can get better or I'm going off the balcony. So that was the plan that night. So I went to bed and woke up the next day. I opened my eyes and it's like there was a tea. screen in front of me and I got my very first flashback.

You just pushed the microphone away from yourself, put it back. It's got out to shift on the chair. We need it as close, close to you. That's better, yeah. Okay, keep going. Yeah, so I woke up and got my very first flashback, like a video playing in front of my face. What did you see?

My uncle, the heroin addict, abusing me, sexually abusing me. Now, those flashbacks came thick and fast every day. I'd say roughly for about the next five years, I got every single memory back of what happened. Did you tell anyone right away? Yeah, that's when I got help. Who did you tell? I went to my doctors, actually, and said,

I'm remembering being abused. Now, luckily, she was beautiful. She was a lovely, lovely person. and she got me help straight away, and I was with a psychotherapist in the local hospital and obviously instantly diagnosed with PTSD. And I worked through a lot of trauma with him. So I was with that person for about a year. And my healing journey, if you like, begun from there, really.

Oh, such a, it's so, so sad. I mean, even without the ritual satanic abuse, you know. Is it just me or does this guy look? A whole lot like the Smashing Pumpkin Singer. He does. This is, yeah, Billy Corgan. He moonlights as a podcast host. He will eat anything she lays out on the table.

Interviewer. Yeah. It's incredible. He's just like, yeah, yep, yep. Yeah, at one point in that interview, actually, yeah, she starts talking a bit about how people don't, you know, people don't really believe in satanic ritual abuse. And he goes like, oh, yeah, there was, it was like something called a satanic panic or something wasn't there? and you're like, you're just like, you're doing it. You're living through it. Imagine thinking, yeah, that the satanic panic was the kind of, like, the failure was that they

didn't get the Satanists, not that they, you know, engaged in insane years-long panics. Most dangerous of all is the network's advice to each other on how to, quote, unlock suppressed memories in themselves and in others. It's worth noting that in this country, psychotherapist, psychoanalyst, therapist, hypnotherapist and counsellor are all unprotected terms, meaning you can legally call yourself these titles with no training or institutional oversights. In Facebook groups and telegram chats, Satan hunting therapists will advertise and offer tutorials on uncovering hidden memories by self-taught hypnotherapy. Some gurus like Jeanette Archer will go one step further,

claiming that the very idea these suppressed memories could be false or coerced is in itself a satanic plot. But of course. recovered memory syndrome the definition of that is quite simply a memory of a past event that has been recalled after having been forgotten or repressed for a long time quite simple hey okay then we have the flip side of the coin false memory syndrome now I'm going to go into more about false memory syndrome because it is basically another thing that was set up by people that try to keep us silent Satanists. This describes, now, can you, I want you to hear the wording here, okay, because

recovered memory syndrome, nice and simple, all right? A memory of a past event that has been recalled after having been forgotten or repressed for a long time. Now here, the definition, now, recovered memory syndrome, it's been around forever, you know, for a long time. False memory syndrome was launched, we'll call it that, in the 90s. Let's see, now listen to how, they um listen to how they defined it describes a condition in which a person's identity there's a word this is gaslighting and relationships are affected by false memories recollections that are factually incorrect but yet are strongly believed mostly common in childhood sexual abuse now this false memory syndrome, there was a society set up for it in the 90s, and I will give you a bit more

info in it. By therapists that were Satanists. Oh, I feel like my mind has been wiped just watching that clip. I have no sense of self, no idea who I am, all the good therapy that I've done has now been replaced with this. It's just the setting of it, the so vertical video with so much white blurred space on the side and her white gown with the white curtain behind it and this top down angle. I'm losing my mind on this clip. I don't know why. Yeah, it does kind of have the quality of like, okay, you're dead. Welcome to the new place. Yeah. Yes, yes. Yeah, there's something very unnerving about it. I actually got a little bit nauseous listening to this. That could be the tobacco. That could be the nicotine, but no, there's something else.

No, I mean, I'm with you. I've watched so many of these live streams. She does them every few days or so. But can we agree that she's mommy? For you, maybe. Yeah, I feel like I'm getting these memories of her being mommy from somewhere. I think I, like, buried them long ago. It's just, yeah, there's something so insidious about watching somebody tell you how to essentially invent, you know, whatever it is, whatever it is you want, or not invent, but to,

trust these these the instincts of memory which as we all know is is incredibly unreliable um i don't know it's just like you you can see how people who are desperate who are searching for answers who want to know why they feel broken why you know would you know this offers a great explanation because hey you can unlock it yourself yeah and in actual practice this unlocking can amounts a little more than physically abusing and threatening children until they recount a false allegation, as shown in the 2015 case of Ricky, a father of two who was subjected to a digital harassment campaign by his ex-wife and her new partner. The couple had filmed their children testifying on camera that Ricky, along with the children's teachers, were part of a satanic cult.

A testimony that a judge later ruled had been physically coerced going as far to use the word torture. Oh my God. Wow. Yeah. Torturing the kids to recover memories of them being tortured. Right. And I was selling them to the people. My kids are wonderful. I was just sorry. And I've been selling them.

And I had been selling them in my I've been selling them in this satanic cult thing. Not just, they said by myself, but by the name 60, 70, 80 people. And they said that were killing babies. I was shipping them in. And we was cooking, they were showing with their hand movements how I would get their hand on the knives and we would cook the baby's neck, drain the blood,

and then drink the blood. And I mean, it's just horrific upon horrific detail. Was it abroad, you think, where your ex-partner and her new boyfriend filmed your children making these allegations? which were then uploaded onto the internet. What they did, they beat my kids. The cold licks, where you get a spoon and you hit the kid. I said a kid, it was in this instance, it was my two children.

And they, he, her boyfriend had... punched my son in the ear and they were told to recount these allegations of what I'd done or supposed to have done as well as all these other people and and when they wouldn't they said no Papa he didn't do this and they said yes it did you stupid little to my daughter and sick those clips of your children making those allegations some people watching us now will have clicked on them I well very much so one video in the first 10 days nearly 300,000 views one video there's now hundreds of them all over according to the judge involved in this case there may have been viewed about four million times

around the world, as a result of the spread of these clips on the internet, people sharing them, what sort of abuse did you receive? Death threats. Today, yesterday, still. Comments and, you know, pido, whatever. I understand. I get it. This poor guy, I mean, he should go Liam Neeson taken style on this boyfriend? I mean, he looks like he's

ready to go there. We're not going to be saying that murder is good. No, not on this episode, Jake. No, this is not the episode where we encourage vigilante violence. Okay, all right. It's time to hunt the Satan hunters.

Go Liam Neeson on the boyfriend. Okay, okay. Great. Great stuff. No, this is heartbreaking. It is heartbreaking. Heartbreaking stuff.

Truly. Ah. And just the pain in this man's face of not only having to watch a video of your children being abused, but also watching your children be forced to say horrible things about you. And then also being attacked by people who then believe these things. I mean, this is like a three-tier, uh, horror story and yeah it's just literally a nightmare i feel so bad for this guy now i'm including all of this context to the anglese case because i think a lot of people still don't understand

how these accusations of satanic ritual abuse come to pass and often assume because there's smoke that there must be fire this was one of the resting assumptions of the satanic panic in the 1980s and it turned out to be a hugely damaging one we still don't know why it is that anchor hill became so convinced that the child she knew was a victim of SRA, but we can safely assume that the Satan hunters do not adopt a sufficient vein of skepticism, or properly investigate these ideas, with catastrophic consequences. Let's talk about what happened next in Anglesey. Hill, Wong, and a therapist, Stevenson, began to construct an elaborate plan together to rescue the child in Anglesey, where they lived with their foster mother. This involved recruiting

accomplices from their network, with Wong reaching out to several people he had coached regarding their supposed experiences of SRA. At least one of these, a couple from Brighton, testified at the trial that they had initially expressed support for the rescue mission, but eventually refused to go along with the plan. According to David Powell, a court reporter for North Wales Live. The Brighton man said Wong wanted him to hire a van in Brighton, preferably a luteon van, which has a large area above the cab, and drive to Surrey.

There, the van would be loaded up with furniture, and some void or space in the vehicle would be formed to accommodate a woman and a child. The prosecutor, Mr. Pope, asked what he thought of the idea. The Brighton man said, quote, I was shocked. The whole scheme was racing through my mind. His wife dropped off Wong at the station. But when she came back, her husband said, quote, this is crazy. It's kidnapping.

It's abduction. I'm not doing it. It's against the law. Not all of Wong's handpicked disciples had such misgivings, however. And eventually he, Hill, Stevenson and her husband were joined by three others. The group traveled to Anglesey in separate cars with two accomplices providing a lookout for police car. while Wong and Hill waited outside the foster mother's home for her to return from picking up the child from school. As soon as she pulled up to the house, the pair drove up, opened the car doors and lunged for the child,

referred to in the court transcript as Child A. The foster mother's testimony recounted the following. Hill opened the car door and tried to remove Child A from my car. She unclipped a seatbelt from around the waist and just pulled the child into the silver car after quite a bit of struggle. Child A kept calling my name and asking me to help. I tried to hold on to the child as much as I could. Someone came round the back of me, which is when I had to make a decision. He held a knife to my face and told me to let Child A go.

My young daughter was in the car. I had to make a decision between my daughter's life and Child A's life and mine. Oh, fuck. When Wong and Hill had successfully bundled the terrified child into their own car, they took the precautionary measures of slashing the foster mother's tires so she couldn't follow them. They then drove to meet Stevenson and her husband, transferring to a second rented car with false number plates, They planned to drive to France. On the M1 in Northamptonshire, about 200 miles away from Anglesey,

the car was stopped by armed police and the child recovered safely. The kidnappers were arrested and charged with child kidnapping. This was big news in the Satan hunting community due to Wilfred Wong's celebrity status. But due to pretrial reporting restrictions, they had very little information to work on publicising. The story circulated, but it didn't gain any kind of wide attraction. This changed when Robert Thrift, a 65-year-old psychiatric nurse who had aided one, in the plot, was found dead in his cell ten days after the gang's arrest. His death was ruled a suicide by suffocation.

With this news story, Wong's fans had a conspiracy theory neatly packaged for the social media age. They immediately began sowing disinformation around the case, saying that Wong and his remaining accomplice's lives were in danger in order for them to not tell the truth about the satanic elites at the trial. A social media hashtag, I Stand with Wilfred Wong was launched on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. and influencers began openly speculating about the reasons for the killing, publicising the address of the prison Thurford died in and urging their followers to take action.

But what is certain, because there's been mainstream conventional press articles to confirm this, that Mr Robert Frith, who is a nurse from the island of Anglesey, Hollyhead Anglesey, has died while in custody, while incarcerated in Wrexham prison, Berwyn Prison, North Wales, City of Wrexham, and that is all we know so far. We don't know the details of how he died or the autopsy report. So this moves the severity of an already major incident up another few notches. Whether or not this gentleman, Mr. Robert Frith, was a witness to SRA ritual criminality or not, remains to be seen.

But it's, we can't rule out yet from investigations that the lure-in-fritory. enforcement agents working for occult networks, such as Freemasons, Satanism, the British Crown, the House of Windsor. It cannot be ruled out as yet that he would have been silenced on account of information he knows. That's yet to be confirmed. They should have never given us the internet. She should have never gotten it. The fact that somebody can can look at a news story that is still developing that you don't necessarily have all of the information for and go and post a video analyzing it and you know suggesting what it might mean is just that that should be taken away from us yeah I find that video really fascinating because he uses all

of that kind of like that sort of journalist you know police spokesman talk right where it's like yeah to be confirmed we still how waiting on details we you know we still do not know if he was silenced by the Freemason Elite for and all that kind of stuff. And there it just makes me, makes me laugh. Yeah, it's like dressed up like this, like, yeah, it's, it's, it's presented like it is this accredited journalist. And, you know, you know, not all details are reported yet. Like, like he's, yeah, like he's some kind of news, news guy, he's just fucking playing

news. And he's just playing news and he's flashing images of like occult symbols in the bottom corner of the screen while feeding you the real conspil, while he's dressed up as a fucking, he's not even dressed up. in a black t-shirt or closet. But like while he's like playing news anchor on the YouTube video, he's giving you the real conspiracy like in text at the bottom of the screen, which is like, some say he was silenced to prevent, you know, and then flashing the occult symbols and the fucking Windsor

Palace and all that shit. It's just, I hate this. Jeanette Archer herself released a long rambling Facebook live stream titled, I stand with Wilfred Wong, the children need us. she made several veiled threats of violence. Oh no, not her again. I'm sorry. Unfortunately, the news that came in about Robert Frith was true.

He had died. He was found hanging in his cell. Now, I posted that because I want you to know it's exactly that. He was found hanging in his cell. Not he has killed himself, not he has hung himself, because I don't believe, and one day I might be proven wrong, but I do not believe, knowing what I know, that Robert killed himself. I do not believe that.

I believe that he was murdered, and I am going to call it as I see it. I believe he was suicided by the Satanists. Familiar, familiar story, huh, Travis? Yeah, yeah, that's a hell of a thing to put on a death certificate, suicided by Satanist. We just can't trust any more at all. If somebody dies in prison, how will we ever know whether they were murdered by Satanus or they just didn't want to face the consequences for the crimes with which they were charged?

It's a universal conundrum. Yeah, I mean, the thing that always gets me, I think, about this kind of thing is just like how completely unwilling people are to believe that people kill themselves in prison all the time. Do you know, prison is just horrible, just a horrible place to be, do you know? And it's like, we know that. We know that prison is horrible. No one wants to go to prison. But then we suddenly, like,

it's suddenly beyond belief that someone would take their life while they're in there. Do you know? Yeah, yeah. Especially, yeah, the statistics on, you know, suicide in prison are really, really horrifying because you'd imagine they would put these kinds of protocols in place that would prevent these kinds of things, but they're really genuinely careless. There is no sitting on the fence.

There is nothing in between. You are either on the back. bad side or you're on the good side. And if you're on the bad side, the day is going to come where you're going to be held accountable. Because the fighting us survivors alone, whether it's me or whether it's other survivors that are speaking out a little bit or whether it's somebody out there that's demonstrating every weekend and shouting loudly, there is such a vast spectrum of what survivors are doing and the supporters of survivors are doing we have so much power now they are definitely aware that they have got something to fear now it's turning it is turning

but they are not going to put down their weapons and hold up their hands so we carry on and we carry on doing what we're doing. So much of this is so universal, you know, across Q&N is this idea that the bad guys are scared, you know, that we, that we the people really, you know, we are coming after them. It's this like, this sort of created sense of empowerment against the things or people that have really caused them trauma in one way or another, even if the specifics are not, you know, exactly accurate. I mean, it's clear that, you know, a lot of these folks have had some sort of trauma in their life. And it's always, I mean, that could have been a cue drop, you know, in a lot of, in a lot of what she was saying that it's, you've got to pick a side. It's good and bad. They know about it. They're scared. It's like when, you know, Neil Patrick Harris puts his hand on the brain

bug in Starship Troopers. And he's like, it's afraid. You know, it's the same thing. this just wanting to give themselves some feeling of control or power against this perceived, you know, oppression. It's, it's, um... Yeah, remind me of there are a lot of cue drops that said panic in D.C. And there was this idea like, oh, okay, so the bad guys, obviously, they aren't arrested in a public way. But be happy because they are actually are suffering. They're panicking. They're miserable.

Yeah, it's like they know their day of reckoning. Yeah, because their day of reckoning is coming. So that makes the cue with non-followers feel good because they feel like. Oh, they're doing something to punish the bad guys in some sort of invisible way that only Q is assuring me of. It's the same kind of thing where it's like, oh, yes, the Satanists, they are scared. Your actions are having an impact. You're making the bad guys hurt in ways that, oh, you can't see, obviously, and aren't public. And obviously only exist in my imagination of their mental state.

But rest assured, it's happening and your actions are doing it. Yeah. And I think it's like a really necessary thing for a like conspiracy network to almost work. because the stakes of power about conspiracy theory are like always so totalizing, right? So like the entire world is run by the satanic elites and they control the police and they control social services and they control the government and royal family and religion and all the rest of it, you know. And so it must be really easy for a person who believes in that to just become demoralized

to be like, well, fuck, you know, what am I going to do? So I think a lot of them kind of have to by necessity have that angle that, you know, oh but they know the people are waking up and that's scaring them because if someone becomes demoralized they just become apathetic right they just drop out and so they need to keep that kind of mechanism going the kind of totalizing terrifying stakes but also this kind of sense of empowerment strangely enough none of the satan hunter's dark predictions about wilfred wong's fate at the mercy of his satanic captors came to pass every other member of the anglesey kidnapping gang made it to trial and were allowed to provide testimony in particular that the court heard in detail about one Wong's lurid theories surrounding SRA and its proliferation in all British institutions. As a daily post article reported, In the footage played to the court last month, Wong claimed, quote, the family court system has been infiltrated by Satanists as well as social services.

It enables them to turn upside down the system that is supposed to protect children from abuse into something that protects the abuser and penalizes the whistleblower and gives the child back to the abuser's custody. Wong of Camden also bizarrely claimed Satanist's use. social services to make money. Quote, fostering agencies, care agencies, local authorities and so-called experts say that the whistleblowing person is not fit to care for the child. In a second video, the jury watched Wong make more outlandish claims. Quote, I do surveillance on Satanic Covens. They like to meet on dates in the satanic calendar and on the birth dates of their members.

Holidays and birthdays. That's a club. That's just a friend circle. I really loved that line. It's like they like to meet on each other's birthday. I'm like, are you sure you're not? You're just like talking about friends, dude? No. I've noticed. They performed this ritual with fire and cake. I've seen it with my own eyes. I mean, if you're spirit cooking, then dinner parties are pretty suss.

All six participants in the so-called Anglesey rescue operation were convicted of conspiracy to kidnap. Wong, Hill, and Stevenson as the chief architects of the plan were given extended sentences of 17 years, 14 years in five months, and 15 years, respect. Darren Boyle reported from the courtroom. Her Honor Judge Nicola Jones said, I am satisfied Anke Hill and Wilfred Wong were the leaders of the conspiracy and recruited others.

But all six of you were acting as vigilantes, taking the law into your own hands. Your motivation was to rescue child aid to prevent harm, but you all had sufficient intellects to realize that kidnap might cause harm to a child. You knew the family courts were involved, but you thought you knew better. In a victim impact statement,

the child's father, who was not charged with any crime, said, I have been portrayed as a Satanist and a pedophile. All of which is untrue. The father said he had a, quote, terrible realization that he may never see his child again when he received a phone call from his social worker to say his child had been kidnapped. He has since suffered, quote, malicious online trolling by friends of Wilfred Wong and his satanic ritual abuse agenda. The kidnap itself had a, quote, catastrophic impact on him and his child, he told the court. He said the episode had derailed his relationship with his child, and the kidnappers had shown a, quote,

complete lack of empathy for their horrific crime. No, I consider myself to be made of pretty stern stuff, but there was something heartbreaking reading the descriptions of a child being literally snatched at knife point out of their foster mother's car, all by people claiming to be solely motivated by their welfare. At one point in her testimony, Janet Stevenson, the therapist, even compared herself to resistance fighters against the Nazis, saying, quote, people during the Second World War who were trying to smuggle children out of concentration camps and suitcases or bags put themselves at risk that they would be shot by the Gestapo.

It was an offense, but it was morally right because they were saving children. Okay. All right. This is the hardest part. It's not just that these people are like doing wrong, but they are so convinced of their heroism. That's going to take, you know, like something really dramatic for them to even understand that what they did was not helpful. Yeah. And this is it.

You know, you think even after going through all of that trial and hearing from, like the foster mother and the father and, you know, hearing about the impact it had had on the child and stuff, you know, you still just get to convince yourself that you're just being victimised by the satanic elite, right? That's why you're going to prison, because you called out the safeness and they don't like it. It's just like such an impasse. Nonetheless, I'm not naive enough to have thought the harrowing details of this kidnapping and the moving impact statements by both the foster mother and the child's father would be enough to move the Satan hunters. In fact, It seems that since Wong's arrest, the network has only hardened and become more extreme,

led by Jeanette Archer, depicting the Anglesey gang as literal martyrs for the cause. Perhaps most disturbingly of all, the network seems to be making outreach efforts into other conspiracy communities, including, unsurprisingly, Qanon, and the British conspiracy guru David Ike. Archer, in particular, since she appeared on the scene only a year and a half ago, has radically altered her story from one of multi-generational familial abuse to one where she personally witnessed the royal family transforming into lizards. So the fact that now we're all finding each other, we're all uniting, we're all communicating, we're all planning.

That's how it was meant to go down, you know, and it's going to take the leaders, it's going to take the people that are fearless, that are going to speak out no matter what, you know, no matter what threats they try and put out. I mean, you can imagine the target on my back, you know. I don't fucking care. I don't care.

You know, and even if, even if it ended for me tomorrow, I've done enough, you know, I've done enough. The world now knows about Satanic Richard abuse. And it's game over for them. It's just a matter of time now that we've got to just put it all together and, you know, finish the job. Yeah, it's a purpose, isn't it? Like, it's something greater than your experience is Jeanette. That's what you know, that's what you're here for. But you don't have to answer this question if you know what, but I have heard you in another interview

you say, and like it just sort of sparked me then talking about that you face the devil. Did you want to, I've heard you say that these people aren't human, you didn't really want to go there, but obviously like, you know, Ike sort of work and people like Arizona Wilder and Sandra Feck, the psychologist in Canada, talks, she, you know, helps all these abuse survivors, and this is a common theme that she says all the time, the people, they talk about the dark eye people and this sort of stuff, but I don't, you don't want to have to touch on that if you don't want to. And I know that's a massive hurdle, but, you know, there is, we are, we are playing with other realms, aren't we? If I could just put it.

100%. 100%. Okay, Dow. What I will say is this. And I'm glad you asked, actually. I'm glad you asked, because I know, Jeanette, I know a lot of this is, um, it can be seen as discrediting to your information, but, you know, the truth's the truth, isn't it? So, yeah, the truth's the truth. So here it is, right? We are absolutely dealing with non-human entities. In my experience, what I witnessed with my own eyes are these humans, because they're not human, changing into reptilian form. Yes, I've seen that with my own eyes. I don't care if people want to discredit me. You know, they've been trying to discredit me since I spoke out. I've been trying to, they've tried to discredit me all my life. So, you know, whether it's just my family or, or it's.

It's the actual satanist now that don't want me speaking out, you know, the trolls and all the rest of it, right? This guy is so desperate to get some lizard people, shapeshifters on his show, the mention of them. Now, this to me is a deeply concerning development. Although I hope that it's true, as the interviewer remarks, that this supernaturalization of Archer's experiences will discredit her story more widely, it also seems to follow a noticeable pattern when a conspiracy group begins to further self-radicalize. While, as I said before, I don't think the Satan hunters or their QAnon allies pose any kind of threat to the royal family or any of the various politicians that they casually describe as monstrous Satanists, stories like Anglesey, among many others, show that they very much do pose a threat to ordinary people,

especially children. This shift, then, from their opponents being simply bad or even evil people to something literally inhuman, is a clear escalation to further violence. In Archer's case, we in fact have a much more straightforward proof of course. this shift, as documented by the anti-Satan hunter blogger James Hines, who noted one of her many recent live streams declaring, quote, we need to tape back the buildings and rescue the children, we need men, we need strength, we need people who are military and trained, we need to do this all around the world. But perhaps the most vulnerable and easily overlooked potential victims of

the Satan hunting network are the members themselves. It seems noteworthy how many users I've come across in the network, who seem to get sucked into it right when they're at their lowest, whether going through depression, as seems to be the case with Archer, trauma from previous abuse, or the breakdown of a relationship. On Facebook and Telegram, it's not uncommon for users to join and announce right away that they're struggling or that they feel lonely. They're then given the promise of a dedicated, always-on-call support network on the condition that they begin to frame their experiences through a collective narrative of spiritual warfare

between the forces of good and evil. When this is being done to children, it's easy to see it as grooming, but I'm not convinced many of the people who fall into the community are a great deal less vulnerable. This is supported by the testimonies of those who were part of and eventually left the Satan hunting network themselves, many of whom describe themselves in terms equivalent to exited cult members. At least one has claimed that Archer actually encouraged her to commit suicide and live stream the act in order to attract further publicity to the cause. Although the evidence they provided is an easily fake screenshot of an email conversation, so I'm cautious about the veracity of that. Another former supporter of Archer who goes by the name of Shelley

has claimed that Archer is personally connected to the British far right and uses her status as a coach for victims of abuse to further radicalise them. In this case, this seems pretty clearly backed up by Archer's social media content and her comments in her telegram channel, where she approvingly commented on a post sharing an old hoax interview by an American white supremacist James Wickstrom, which claimed that Jews richly sacrificed Christian children and give their bodies to the fast food chain McDonald's to be cannibalized.

This is one of the first conspiracy theories. We were fed by a random older lady when we showed up to the very first Q&on event in Washington, D.C. Really? Correct, yeah. Travis sat next to an old lady and she's like, yeah, the McDonald's is human meat. Yeah, I have seen this video pop up so many times in kind of Q&on and save them.

children. My favorite part of the story is that she claimed that the billions served sign outside of McDonald's, not refer to billions of hamburgers served to people, but rather billions of people served in the restaurants. Oh, man. Well, to other people, so couldn't it be both? Do they just add them up? Like, every person is served a person and is served as a person. So every time you feed someone a burger, that's right. It counts double. That's why that's why it's so high. That's genius sloganeering. Yeah. Pumping up the numbers. I'm looking at this link where they talk about this McDonald's thing and says,

Rabbi Abe Finkelstein and James Wickstrom, the rabbi speaks about blood sacrifices of children. Who is this Rabbi Finkelstein who's throwing us under the bus? He's just a fan of McDonald's. Dude, what are you doing? This is always what drives me crazy because having listened to the interview, he's no real person. It's like a neo-Nazi putting on their best, like, Brooklyn Jew accent.

Oh, my God. being like, yeah, we just feed the babies to the Christians. We do this every Seder. Oe, vee, I love to be Bernie Sanders and eat children. A little bit of smoked child goes very well on everything bagel, a little bit of smear. Gifilta, get that shit out of here. I want a Gachilda. A Gachilda.

And it like just drives me mad because, you know, all you would have to do is just Google who the interview host is. and you'd see it was a fake, right? You'd see it was a hoax interview. But not a single one of them ever does that. I hear they claim that they have lots of Jewish friends. You know, I wouldn't be surprised if Gafiltafish was made from human body parts. That stuff is just, of all the Jewish delicacies that I, you know, that I've, you know, been instructed to eat over the years at high holiday dinners and services and stuff. Gifilta fish really is kind of the worst.

Some people love it. Not me. I hear that foreskin is actually made from people. Now that's baseless. We're not doing this. We're not inventing our own fun little blood liables on my episode. Well, Annie, come on. You can't deny that a foreskin is literally made from a person.

It's from a person. It's not made. I guess it's made by biology. Well, from the cow you take a steak and from the man you take a foreskin. I'm going to shut up. Anyway, what Jeanette said in. response to a Q-Anon account sharing that fake video was, yes, the Finkelstein interview should have been impactful, but unfortunately, still, people didn't hear. Satanists have a rule that they

have to tell the world the truth. They do it openly. I agree with what you said about the human meat, but unfortunately Trump hasn't stopped anything. He's one of them, to exclamation marks. I kind of feel like the addition that Satanists have a rule that they have to tell the world the truth, which just means that, like, if you ever suspect someone to be a Satanist, you can just ask them if they are. Yeah, it's like a vampire or wait, no. It's like a very built. No, it's like a cop buying sex.

Sorry. It's a built-in mechanism so that when people question how this shadowy cabal that's operated for thousands and thousands of years slips up so publicly, you know, you can say, oh, well, you know, they have to do that. That's part of it. They actually have to. It's like a game that they play. It's actually a part of the Satan, you know, the satanic religion.

is that if they don't publicly sort of show it, then the devil will be displeased in their sacrifice or their symbolism or whatever. Anyway, that video is, of course, nothing more than blood libel, that long-standing anti-Semitic conspiracy theory that's been responsible for so many pogroms in Europe for centuries. For a network that has already crossed the threshold

of vigilante violence and Anglesi, it felt particularly concerning to see claims like that, not just circulating the Satan-hunting network without challenge, but actually being boosted by its effective leader. All of this left me with the question of exactly how worried we should be about this re-emergent conspiracy network. So I got in touch with a PhD student in theology and religious studies at the University of Leeds, Bethan Julia Oak. Bethen's research background is in contemporary occultism, online belief, and non-religious spirituality. And she's currently looking into the history and modern expressions of what she termed satanic cult conspiracy.

So she very much seemed like the person to ask. Here's what she said to me. I think that the Angleseeee kidnapping is definitely a strong. strong example of the fact that it doesn't take us being in a definitive era of mainstream satanic panic for these smaller fringe seeming groups to potentially have a harmful impact. I think it's about finding a key balance between not dismissing any group that employs satanic ritual abuse rhetoric as being too small or too unimpactful because we know how quickly that can change while at the same time not prematurely jumping into a rumor panic of our own

where we automatically declare every one of these groups to be a dangerous public threat. point, to me, presented an intriguing question then in terms of solutions. How can we prevent further events like Anglesey happening without starting a moral panic about satanic panics of our own? Bethan's answer on this one actually surprised me. I think that we can also sometimes hastily jump into assuming that all people engaging in these beliefs have somehow automatically been radicalized beyond reason. Because extremist groups like Huanon have dominated so much of conspiracy discourse, there's now this general idea that reason and discussion and contrary evidence never works with conspiracy believers, which forgets that there's so many earlier steps of conspiracy involvement

before you get into that point of no return. Dismissing early stage believers as already radical extremists is sure to only push them further into these movements. I think we're justifiably wary of engaging in discussions around conspiracy beliefs or giving them too much attention. I do think it is unfortunately necessary. What first got me into my current research was working as a clinical support staff on a COVID ward during the pandemic. I came across substantial amounts of patients, relatives, and staff who were at various points of involvement in pandemic slash vaccine-related conspiracies. And even in some cases of the most seemingly invested cases, it's incredible how many people are willing to backtrack a conspiracy when suddenly presented with the real life

to your face evidence that contradicts their beliefs. Sure. all, but way more than we acknowledge. I think general SRA belief is more similar to this. The truth is that satanic panic did die down and did lose a considerable amount of believers when evidence against their claims became more publicly available in the spheres that they engaged in themselves. It's just figuring out how to do this in a time where differing belief communities exists in such separate online spaces to one another. That's the problem. This chimed with the sense that I had reading through the Satan hunting group chats and Facebook comments and also that I think you guys brought up a bit, that these were generally pretty unhappy people

looking for some level of support and understanding, and being sucked into a very damaging environment that crucially masquerades itself as a support network. It's true that the world they end up believing in, where child murdering Satanists lurk round every corner, seems ludicrous, and it makes sense why our first instinct is to assume anyone who believes that is beyond help. And yet it also seemed clear that being thought of as beyond help by everyone else is probably what leads a person to a situation where their only option left appears to be paranoid vigilantes who think the queen is a lizard person. For the last 10 years in this country, there's been a pretty systematic gutting of mental health services on the NHS, to the point where

when I struggled with panic attacks in my early 20s, I got sent to a group CBT seminar, which basically crammed a bunch of people with anxiety into a windowless basement room and told us, what a panic attack feels like, which obviously went down brilliantly. Yeah, this is how I cured Jake. Yeah, windowless room, that's for sure. It's a perfect environment. I got to idly speculating how many of Wilfred Wong and Jeanette Archer's followers would still have become their followers if free one-on-one support for trauma

and any other kind of mental issue actually existed from the more obvious places than Telegram and Facebook Live. It's not really something we can ever answer definitively, but I'm willing to bet there'd be less of them. Yeah, it's great. Our institutions neglect the most vulnerable of us. And there are others who are untrained professionals who believe in wacky shit, who will welcome them with open arms, make them feel loved. And they are much easier to find than the mental health professionals. And much cheaper, too, it's free. For $0, you can go on YouTube and learn that many of your problems. stem from the rulers of the world who occasionally shape shift into reptilians with black holes for eyes. So it's great. We're fine. I'm good.

Annie's great. Travis is old hat for him, you know. I mean, this is, you know, no big deal. We're going to have to pick up the Jake pieces after this. I'm shattered. I am shattered into, I mean, this is basically yet another Q-Anon. kidnapping child story, but she doesn't even mention QAnon all that much, only in that last sort of McDonald's post. I mean, is she super, is she super, you know, vocal about Q and

her other posts, or is this just kind of tangentially sort of, you know, adjacent? No, not really. She says that she thinks QAnon is a sci-op because she thinks Donald Trump's a Satanist. You know, so many people do be thinking that QAnon is a sci-op. Yeah. Whatever side you're on, it's a siop, you know. It's all the rage. It's a trendy. It's a trendy belief right now. Go out and buy stocks in QAnon is a sci op.

It's all just because our brains hurt and we're like, they must be under attack. But I think, yeah, I think more broadly it shows like the elements of Qadon, the building blocks that made Qaeda what it was. It's just sort of like in the water now. just part of our cultural conversation and like, you know, the fundamental particles of Q&ON have, like, you know, are now free from the, from the Q&N structure. And now they are, now they can flow everywhere and sort of infect any kinds of thinking to the point where you think you're fucking, you know, like a Satan hunter on the, on the, you know, on the prowl for demonic rituals. Right. You know, you sprinkle the little QAnon flakes at the top of the tank and some of the bigger fish come up right away and they get the big flakes, but then, you know, over time, you know, the flakes break down into tiny little particles and the smaller fish can, you know, they can get their fill as well. And, and some of it clogs the, you know, the filtration system and some fish come floating to the top because of it. So, sure. It's a perfect analogy. It is a perfect analogy. Thank you for listening to

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