QAA Podcast - Episode 223: Attending the 15 Minute Cities Oxford Protest with Annie Kelly

Episode Date: March 16, 2023

A very long episode out in the field! Annie Kelly headed to Oxford (UK) to attend a protest against "15 Minute Cities" and figure out how boring city planning issues became a fresh vehicle for the so-called "freedom movement" and its wide collection of attached conspiracy theories. These include fears of "climate lockdowns", a New World Order government instituted by Klaus Schwab and the WEF, Adrenochrome, Aliens, bug eating, "Britcoin" as a control mechanism, and much, much more. Subscribe for $5 a month to get an extra episode of QAA every week + access to ongoing series like 'Manclan' and 'Trickle Down': http://www.patreon.com/QAnonAnonymous Annie Kelly: https://twitter.com/AnnieKNK QAA's Website: https://qanonanonymous.com Music by Pontus Berghe. Editing by Corey Klotz.

What's up QAA listeners? The fun games have begun. I found a way to connect to the internet. I'm sorry, boy. Welcome, listener, to chapter 223 of the Q&ONANANANANANAS podcast. The 15-minute Cities episode. As always, we are your host, Jake Rockatansky, Annie Kelly, Julian Fields, and Travis View.

Hello there, beloved listener. It's Annie Kelly speaking. I've come on the podcast today to talk to you about a new conspiracy theory surrounding something called 15-minute cities. It's a topic that's been bubbling around the British conspiracy sphere for a while now, finally culminating in a protest in the city of Oxford, England, that attracted thousands of people from all over the country. Your brave, intrepid and amiable UK correspondent was one of them. You may remember a episode from October last year, where I attended a march in London organised by what was left of the anti-lockdown movement in this country, rebranded as the Freedom Movement in opposition to the Nebulists, many tentacles great reset and the nefarious World Economic Forum. What I found was that compared to the thousands of supporters they attracted at the height of lockdown, it was a pretty small crowd of die-hard believers left. I concluded that without that immediate galvanising force of COVID public health policy, the movement was trying, but struggling to keep up the momentum. It seems that, strangely, it's found that

impetus again with a collection of local traffic and urban planning schemes. When I worked in a restaurant, you had breaks, right? You had a break schedule and you had your lunch, which everybody took. But if you smoked cigarettes, you would get a 15 that you could split up into three fives. Now, this was an extra break that only smokers got. And so what did I do? as like a 19-year-old guy who wanted to wait tables for 15 minutes less, I started smoking. And so the connection here

is the 15 minutes. That exact same thing happened to me, Jake, as well. I started smoking. Probably around exactly the same age, because it was a way to get breaks when I worked at a restaurant. Yeah. They were like, oh, you don't poison yourself. You have to work for 15 minutes more than the people

that do. But you could have done the Bill Clinton. Just don't inhale. Just pretend. Take your break. Oh, no, no, no. You were I was going to do it. If you were going to pay for the cigarettes, it's fucking expensive. I was going to fucking do it. Well, and then here we are. All right, let's stop talking about smoking because I've given it up for length.

Yes, okay. I've given it up for length. And it's really hard. All smoking. We're really proud of you. That's vaporizers as well. Yep, all of it. Don't, don't remind her of other things.

Just listing things. What about the pouch you put under your tinge? Yeah. So what is the 15 minutes? city. In theory, it's an urban planning framework in which city residents are able to reach essential services like schools, doctors, and supermarkets within a 15-minute walk or cycle ride from their home. How could anybody be angry at that? It's impossible. End of the episode. Thank you. There's no protest of this idea. It's impossible. It's too milk toast. It's too obviously good.

There's no way. Yeah, it sounds good. No fucking way. No fucking way people are going to be angry that they could just walk to the things they need. This will finally break my mind. I do literally live in a 15-minute city right now. It's like why I wanted to live in this neighbourhood because everything is within 15 minutes walk. It's great. Yeah, L.A. is the hour and a half city if you want to walk. Oxfordshire Council, along with several other local councils in the UK, have signed up to the 15-minute club, expressing a commitment to prioritising this in future urban planning. If all of that sounds quite nice to you, as it does to me, then this is only because you are unaware of the chilling agenda of the Great Reset,

the totalitarian plan to kill off a significant percentage of the population and keep the rest of us pacified and enslaved in our mandatory 15-minute zones. Doesn't sound so pleasant now, does it? No, no, now it sounds really bad. Okay, I can tell you're not convinced. So what have I told you that alongside signing up to the 15-minute Club, Oxfordshire Council have been implementing some seemingly unrelated schemes to mitigate heavy traffic in the city of Oxford. This may sound confusing to my Californian co-hosts,

but here in the United Kingdom, many of our cities were built before cars ever existed. The combination of increasing car ownership on streets that were designed for travel by horse has meant that driving in many cities at particularly busy times of day has become what urban planning experts call a fucking nightmare. Solving this problem, without annoying anybody, tends to be the unresolved tension at the heart of the ugliest local politics disputes in the last 50 years or so, and it seems that the latest scuffle in Oxford is no exception. So what have Oxfordshire Council actually done? Well, they've approved a trial scheme starting sometime next year to implement traffic filters on six main roads. These filters

would restrict access to drivers during daytime hours, freeing up space for the more congestion efficient, buses, cyclists, and pedestrians. Drivers who feel the need to continue using the select roads during daytime hours can still do so, but will need to apply for a permit to avoid a fine. The permit allows a motorist to drive through the traffic filters for up to 100 days each year. So basically, we are at the stage where we all have defiant oppositional disorder. This is just, if you tell me to do anything, at all, anything at all. Pick up my dog shit. Just fuck you. Fuck you. This is clearly part of a

nefarious agenda. That's good. I mean, this is not just like the final throws here. We're not entering a total psychedelic fucking unreality here. Yeah, I mean, because local politics is always, people have always got angry about like where they're allowed to drive and putting in bus lanes and stuff like that. But it just feels like now, in today's kind of political landscape, but it's not just like, I'm really angry that you've put this bus lane in. It's like, you are trying to kill and enslave me by putting in this boss lane. I'm sorry that so much of this episode so far has been talking about the minutiae of local governance and traffic schemes. I can imagine many listeners may be feeling that this is not really what they signed up for when they started listening to the newest Q&ONN anonymous episode.

If I'm totally honest, it's not something I have a strong opinion on myself. I've spoken to various local people who said the traffic scheme is good because it gets unnecessary cars off the road, or bad because it means they'll have to spend more time driving the long way around. And frankly, I'm smart enough to know when something is simply not my wheelhouse. But what I am interested in, and what I'm going to be talking about today, is how such a dry, ordinary bit of local politics has become translated into an energized, anti-great reset pro-climate denial conspiracy protest. The first sign that something was going very wrong was when Oxfordshire County Council and Oxford City Council had to release a joint

statement begging people to stop sending them abuse. Hello everyone. Recently, we've seen a lot of misinformation about traffic filters circulating online. This misinformation is being spread by many reputable sources and it has been extremely disappointing to see it being picked up by the national media outlets as well. These conspiracy theories are causing real-world harm and need to stop. We have been receiving many calls and emails from worried residents in genuine fear that they might be locked in their own homes. This is categorically untrue, and we're talking you today to explain the truth. To reassure residents and set the record straight, we want to be absolutely clear. We are not planning a climate lockdown or a lockdown

of any kind. The traffic filters will be installed as a trial. on six roads in Oxford in 2024. They will not be physical barriers. They're not steel walls or electronic gates. They are simply traffic cameras that can read number plates. If a vehicle passes through, the camera will read the number plate and if you do not have an exemption or a residence permit, you will receive a fine in the posts.

By restricting through traffic at certain times of day, they work in exactly the same way as the existing traffic cameras in the high street. There's been a lot of commentary that the filters will separate communities and stop people from visiting loved ones. This is not true. You will still

be able to drive your car freely to every single part of the city. Okay, well, there's clearly Carl Schwab off camera, holding a script in a gun. These poor council members are under duress. They're being held in a nondescript beige room.

They look really tired. And they have to talk about this. I mean, even they aren't enthusiastic about this. It's unfucking believable. This is so excellent. I know. Bless them. It is kind of quaint that they feel that this sort of earnest, direct plea to stop spreading conspiracy

theories and attempt to set the record straight will have any impact. I mean, I feel like, I feel like a lot of like local officials, at least in the United States, have just like given up. You know, they'll just plod along. And if they think that, you know, their work is part of a nefarious globalist plot, then they can't help that. No, I definitely felt the same thing. I mean, yeah, bless them, I can see that they really felt like they were pushed into a corner on this. But the minute you've got like, yeah, a counselor just looking to the camera being like, we're not going to do climate lockdowns.

We're not going to lock you in your home. Don't list the crazy things. Never go on camera and list exactly the crazy things that the conspiracy theorists are pushing. Because they're going to be like, well, look, they're saying they're not doing the exact thing I'm scared of. We will coincidence? I repeat, I repeat, we will not be dragging you from your homes and inserting you into a guillotine. I swear on my mother's grave. I will not be eating your eldest child.

Yeah, so unsurprisingly, this statement seemed to do little to quell the room. In the Freedom Movement groups, I'm part of on Telegram and Facebook, I began to notice heavy promotion for an event in Oxford set for February the 18th. Here's some of the ways that protest was advertised. Councils in England signed up to implement 15-minute zoning restrictions. If this is allowed to become fully enforced in Oxford, the test site, it will be like dominoes falling into line for the other areas slated for what are effectively climate lockdowns. It's vital that we make our voices heard in loud opposition to this hunger game society insanity.

I would think that Hunger Games is what they want, actually. You know, you release, you know, a hundred, a hundred people onto an island. And, you know, the island is the UK. Survival of the fittest. I mean, what conspiracy theorist doesn't want to crack at that, you know? Yeah, but it's, but it's like you're in a dome and you're having the rich people watch you. That's what they're worried about. It's not that their miserable lives are already a bit like the Hunger Game.

It's that there's some snickering motherfucker, some wealthy, nefarious bastard who's in, like, a kind of invisible audience seat. And he's watching them stub their toes. He's watching them have to drive three minutes longer to get to work. You know, and laughing, he is laughing. The post then says, stop Oxford, no 15-minute cities. Hashtag our community, our choice. Hashtag no dystopian districts. Hashtag no L-TN.

They want people to come by around 1 p.m. to Broad Street. Stand with Oxford, UK, to resist 15-minute cities. It could be your town or city next. Somewhere there's got to be, like, one or two conspiracy theorists with, like, a sick mother or sick kid at home. And they go, oh, man, you know, 15 minutes to the hospital, that sounds pretty good. I could potentially benefit for that. And then they're like, no, it's a climate lockdown, actually. If your kid has like asthma attack or something and you're trying to put them in your car and your car's like,

I'm sorry, today is a filter day. And then you have to walk 15 minutes with your kid in your arms, horrible. Yeah. Freaking. No good, actually. Freaking terrible. Discussion of the concept wasn't simply confined to these underground digital spaces, though. Several conservative commentators and politicians got in on the action too.

Although careful to avoid the wildest parts of what's been clear, aimed about 15-minute cities, relying on more respectable arguments like threats to local businesses, Mark Dolan of G.B. News was also keen to stress the risk they posed to individual liberty. Nick Fletcher, a conservative MP, went one further, calling them an international socialist concept. What can you do in 15 minutes? Empty the washing machine and hang up your fresh laundry. Read a couple of chapters of your favourite book. Watch half an episode of How I Met Your mother? Well, creepy local authority bureaucrats would like to see your entire existence boiled down to the duration of a quarter of an hour, with the arrival of so-called

15-minute cities. This dystopian plan will see roads in some of Britain's most iconic towns and cities being blocked off, with cars being restricted to certain areas all overseen by number plate recognition cameras installed everywhere with a surveillance culture that would make Pyongyang envious. In some places your car would have an allowance to drive on certain streets for a fixed number of days in the year. Some roads out of bounds to all. Many consider this idea laudable. 15-minute cities make everything walkable. You can go by foot to grab a coffee, do your grocery shopping, have a pint. And if you don't fancy walking, everything you need is just a five-minute bicycle ride away. Lovely. Fans of this scheme say it will deal with

traffic and congestion and make life easier, more convenient and sustainable for locals. Except that, as the MP Nick Fletcher, who's raised a question about this in Parliament points out, these low-traffic neighbourhoods are having an impact on small businesses. given the lack of passing trade they now receive. Take a listen. The other leader, please set aside some time in this house for a debate on the international socialist concept of so-called 15-minute cities and 20-minute neighbourhoods.

Ultra-load emission zones in their present form are untold economic damage to any city. However, the second step after these zones will take away personal freedoms as well. Sheffield is already on this journey and I do not want Doncaster, which is also a labour-run socialist council, to do the same. Low emission zones cost a taxpayer money simple as. However, 15-minute cities

will cost us our personal freedom and that cannot be right. Now, as you guys might remember me talking about on this podcast before, it's always been my instinct that the UK anti-lockdown movement had morphed into something more like general climate denial via conspiracy theories like the Great Recept. And it looked to me like that might be exactly what was brewing here. But it's difficult to tell via vague telegram messages that are obviously designed to be as eye-catching and dramatic as possible, exactly what participants in the movement itself think. So I decided to head down to Oxford myself to try and talk to some protesters. Oxford, for those of you who have never been, is a really beautiful city. The city centre is built around the colleges

that make up Oxford University, established around 1096, and so is crammed full of ornay old buildings and medieval churches, connecting by winding cobbled streets. I spent the morning before the protest, wandering around with no real destination in mind, just marvelling at the romance of it's all. And then, as the time ticked down for the protest to begin, I headed to Broad Street, a wide, pedestrianised area that felt more like a public square, sat directly in front of the magnificent Trinity College. Things were already in full swing when I arrived. I'd guess a little under 500 people already. As with every protest I've attended that's been organised by the Freedom Movement, it was very much a jovial, party-ish vibe, with several

people playing music through loudspeakers and joyful reunions occurring everywhere as people recognised each other from previous events. One of the first things I was confronted with was a man dressed up as what I can only describe as a cross between a Satanist, a Soviet soldier, and the Executive Chairman of the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab. The costume was not half-assed either. He wore a black trench coat with sewn in patches of various esoteric or satanist symbols, black leather gloves, and a full-face helmet with a laminated picture of Mr. Schwab's face on it.

He carried a sign that read, Oxford, 24, 15-minute city, where East Berlin meets the Hunger Games. Oxford 2030, you'll owe nothing and be happy. In between the two predictions was a picture of Schwab and, strangely enough, Greta Tunberg, dressed in Soviet-era East German police uniform. I actually double-checked with my husband, who, like all husbands, loves being asked to identify historical military uniform, and he said it was specifically the uniform of the border guards

who prevented people escaping over the wall. Like I said, this guy really put the effort in. Yeah, I mean, if you're at home sewing satanic patches onto your custom coat, I mean, yeah, you're going to a high-end Halloween event. The imposter came with his own might and loudspeaker and began performing little villain monologues for other protesters in a comedy German accent. Oh no.

He's doing the funny woggs. No! We should have never shown them Monty Python. Then the fourth industrial revolution emerges. You useless eaters shall be my serfs. You shall bow to me as your master. Ha ha ha ha. Love a cucumber.

Hello. Yeah, here is this? How are you? Oh, very good. What's done here? Thank you. From the left are you? Pardon?

I don't need you round here. You need a real economic freak show to tell you how to think, how to eat and where you can travel and also when you can shit. Oh, exactly. My grandfather in 1944 failed in his divine task. task. I shall accomplish it by 2040. You shall eat nothing. Dogs will be a luxury for your useless eaters. By 2040, you will no longer be able to have a little wank. You will no longer be able to cheat. It's interesting how, you know, I guess, weariness or skepticism or even hostility towards administrators who make decisions that affect the rest of us has sort of transformed

into a hatred of any planning for the future at all. If someone in a position of power says they have plans for the future, then that means that they're actually trying to enslave you. Well, Travis, unless that plan is to drag the politicians out of parliament and put their heads in the thing. I mean, this makes sense to me. It's a good plan for the future. If you can no longer imagine a future, then why not protest it? Why not fight it? You know why there's no future?

You know why I can't imagine a future? Because there's a conspiracy to make me hopeless. I'm going to fight any administrator at any level. I'm furious at the entire system. And, yeah, their brains are short-circuiting. I don't know. This actually makes more sense than I thought it would. No, I think that's really true, actually.

And yeah, it's something I think this movement, whenever I kind of encounter them, it's something, yeah, that strikes me a lot as how they're kind of just like against the idea of government at all, really. They have no real conception of a government that could do anything, could provide any kind of future plan or infrastructure or scheme, anything that wouldn't be punitive, do you know? Yeah, no. So they always, any kind of idea or proposal always gets reframed in their mind as like the most punitive version of it that could happen. Yeah, I mean, that's it. I mean, if you boil it down, it's like, we don't trust you to take care of us. We don't trust you to do anything. Yeah. So, yeah, this Schwab impression was all very amusing and strange, but it posed a bit of a problem for me. The impersonator was pulling in throngs of protesters. But while they remained in range of the loudspeaker, any interviews I tried to get there would be unlistenable. So I disentangled myself from the small crowd and wondered as far away as I could, to see if I could manage to speak to some sensible protesters. who weren't enticed by such antics. The first guy I spoke to was an older gentleman

was white hair and thick dark eyebrows wearing a flat cap, who, it turned out when I said the name of the podcast, actually recognised me from a previous protest I'd covered. So good news, everybody, I'm not just collecting data at these things, and potentially netting us new listeners. Oh boy, let's hope they don't actually listen. They might not be so happy to see you next time. Okay, so your sign says,

the 15 minute city were you ever asked stand up could you tell me what that means right it means that the council apparently is going to enforce this or just impose this without the consent of the people and it means that you may not drive your car from one zone to another certain times of the day I have lived all my life as a free man I've been able to drive more or less where I want legally and all of a sudden we are getting these zones put in without so much as by our leave and we're told it's all for our own good when it's in fact for control that's about the long and the short of it okay that's great and are you local do you live locally no no i come west london so we're coming by the oxford tube today oh nice yeah so you've come in in solidarity then

yes that's right in sort of well you know if it happened see it it'll happen elsewhere so it's got to be stopped yeah i've heard about some tests being done in canterbury as well do you know anything about that i understand it's going to be done in canterbury in a few other cities yeah colchester and so what's the i know you said it's about control but what's the goal of these 15 minute cities like why are they imposing them i think it's just a reduced car travel you know which is no bad thing in itself but you know some people people need their cars, you know, and want to have individual transport when they want it. Why shouldn't they?

That's great. Anything else you wanted to say? I think that's about the long and the short of it. And you are? My name's Annie. I work for a podcast called QAnonanon Anonymous. Q&R. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Have I spoken to you before? I think I might have done it maybe at Speaker's Corner. Yeah, you might have done actually. That's funny, yeah. Yeah, you might have. You might have figured out my LARP here. I think he's still like QAnon. Cool.

Yeah. Oh yeah, of course. But it is very funny where you're like, okay, so what's the plan here? Well, it's to limit car traffic. I know. Damn. This is what gets you like up on the tube and to a protest. Like that seems like small potatoes, man.

There's a few other things you could be protesting. It's what I find so strange about like the Great Reset just in general. the way on the one hand it's this absolutely diabolical plan right for world domination and then on the other it's just so small scale it's so piecemeal it's just like what do they want to do with this world domination well they want to stop us driving cars so much i don't know yeah it's well i think for them it's like the beginning right like this is they think they're in the early movie where it's like we ignored the signs they came they came for our cars on tuesdays and thursdays and we said nothing yeah that's exactly right yeah it's like We're going to have to reassemble the podcast in 30 years when all drivable vehicles are swapped out for self-driving cars on highways that, you know, eliminates traffic and waiting times. There's going to be somebody with a giant pickup truck that's like, they can take my car from my cold, dead hands, my gas-powered automobiles, my God-given right to drive it wherever the fuck I want. It is sad that at this point, at this point in America, like, you know, you're just hoping for. or self-driving cars. Not public transportation, not some nice trains or a subway. No, I want what they had in the movie version of I-Robot, starring Will Smith.

There's a great scene where he's got this really cool Audi, but it's like a self-driving thing. But then during an action sequence, like he's got to take it off autopilot and drive on this crazy freeway of all automated cars. Really good scene. The next person I spoke to was a very friendly middle-aged brunette lady with sunk. glasses and a fringe. She was there with a group of friends carrying a sign that said no to 15-minute cities and surveillance. I asked her if she could explain what it meant and she agreed. Well 15-minute cities, this is not something that's just happening in Oxford. It's not something that's just happening in the UK. It's worldwide. It's known for those who

want to find out about it. If anybody wants to look at the World Economic Forum in Davos, they've been talking about it for years now. It's been planned for years. It's not a new thing. but it's been sneaked in, gradually, by councils all over the place. People are now only realising what's going on. It's all about surveillance, what they've been doing in China for years. They've been practising, it seems, over there. Now they want to bring it over to us. They're saying it's for the good of humanity to try and save the climate.

That's awful. What would a 15-minute city involved? Can you talk us through what it looks like? 15 minutes city, apparently, it's not 15 minutes by car, it's 15 minutes walk. 15 minutes walk to a place and back within 15 minutes. They believe you can have everything within walking distance, your shops, your doctors, everything. Countries just haven't got the infrastructure for that. So it just wouldn't work.

You know, it's all sort of pie in the sky. they're using it as to bring in control. And I know for a lot of people, it's feeling quite reminiscent of like the lockdowns, you know, again, the same sort of thing if you can only go for a half-hour walk once a day. Is it connected? Am I, have I got that right?

Yeah, it is connected. If you look back when the lockdown, that was the time where they got out in the streets. They started putting all the cameras up. They started narrowing the roads. They started putting in all the bus lanes. The cycle lanes are people, the one allowed to go out cycling so yes it's all connected it's all part of the plan

and what's the what's the end game you know you said that this has been tested in china so it's worldwide essentially what's the what's the plan why do they want to control where we go to survey us i think people've got to do their own research and find out what the plan is take take it you can look at things like the committee of 300 read lots of books out there it's been going on for years. Yeah, that's all I can say really. I'm sort of late to the game. People've known about this for 30, 40 years. I've only known about it for two, three. But yeah, it's out there. So when did you first find out about it? I first found out about it. I used to watch TV. And during lockdown, during the pandemic, I used to flick over from channel to channel. And I noticed on two

channels there was the same hospital walled apparently it was in Italy and it was in New York and now I've seen it in Melbourne they showed the same passenger same patients different doctors using the same backdrop that's that's what worked me out yeah that's really interesting I've never heard of that so can you find that on YouTube as someone collected it or something like that I've got a picture of it on my phone Oh, that would be great, yeah. Really? Let me try and find it.

So I went crazy watching TV when COVID hit. Cool. That's awesome. Really common story, actually, from a lot of people I spoke to. I like that you can hear the dogs in the background getting in on the protest, you know? Oh, 15 minutes, studies. So, yeah, I asked her to show me the picture, and we stood a little awkwardly while she tried to find it on her phone for a good couple of minutes.

Of course. I actually felt really bad for having asked her for it as she scrolled through what seemed like an absolute bounty of anti-vaccine, anti-lockdown memes. Eventually, she gave up

and asked if she could email it to me. I gave her my email, not expecting to hear anything from it, but later that day, she obligingly did send it on. Here it is so my fellow podcasters can analyze it. So it's a stuck-together photo

of different, I guess, TV channels. CBS on NYC, March 25th, And Sky News reporting on Italy, March 22nd. So the claim here is that they're using the same prop room to show two different, I guess, you know, if they're supposed to be two different cities. And they used it again, Seven News, Melbourne, reporting on Victorian hospitals, July 18th. And then it says, it's all a show.

Yeah, I kind of wonder if they may just be getting confused about like the concept of stock footage. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. They're showing like stock footage while they report because you often don't have on the ground images so you're just going to show like a hospital ward or whatever and uh and people are like they're they're baking they're baking the wards they're baking the tv they're finding meaning it's really funny i'm in a bit of stock footage sometimes some footage of me as a baby getting fed

in my high chair will show up on channel four news when they want to like do a story about babies or children or something what wait wait wait wait wait why why how what happened how how you're a little national you're the national baby everyone's like there's the baby yeah so it came from um well my my dad was the primary stay-at-home parent uh in the early 90s when um i was growing up and this was this still being the 90s this was like still considered really strange um i think one time channel 4 news decided to do a feature on stay at home dads the strange new trend And so, yeah, they came to our house and just, like, filmed him feeding me and then, I guess, interviewed him a bit about what it's like being, you know, the only dad at the school gates and things like that. But, yeah, because that footage is theirs, now just occasionally when there's a story about babies or childcare or something like that, it's just me, me two years old getting fed in my high chair.

I've come out, I've come out from West London to protest that they're taking the national baby off TV. They don't want to show you the national baby anymore. There's no more babies being born. They're showing us the same baby from 1996. There's no more babies. It's all a show. I can't wait. I can't wait until Channel 5 comes back and it's like,

she graced the screens of your television sets in the early 90s being fed by her father. What is the national baby up to now? Uh, well, I do a podcast called QAnon Anonymous. The National Baby has become an extremist. The National Baby has been arrested. Oh, fuck. Oh, well, I'm glad you enjoyed that story so much. Oh, excellent.

Annie is National Baby now for forever. Yeah, I love this piece of trivia about you. Anyway, so just as I was about to walk away from that same lady, she started commenting to me on something else that had woken her up, which was politicians repeating the slogan, Build Back Better. I wasn't recording at this point, so I quickly switched the mic on and asked her to repeat it for me. Sorry, we just want to repeat that for me.

Yeah, the other thing what actually woke me up to what was going on was everybody was saying, Build Back Better. There was Boris Johnson saying it, and then there was Joe Biden was saying it. At the time, he wasn't a president. And then I keyed him build back better, and it was Trudeau. It was everybody. And then it leaked it back to the World Economic Forum.

And that's how I came to do that. I bought Klaus Schwab's book. It's all in there. And that's how I pieced it all together. That's really interesting. So what does he say in his book? Not a very honest part. I won't be going to look it up.

but paraphrasing. Yeah, yeah. What they want to do, control humanity. The Fourth Industrial Revolution, they want everybody to be chipped and not to be human anymore. It's very dark and deep. And, yeah, I also saw, from the Canadian Parliament,

there was documents that were linked out of there. And it had all of this. It had about zoning people, controlling people, kettling people in like animals. So, yeah, yeah. And is this the first protest you've come out to? No, no, no, no. I've been in London.

I was in London before June Brexit. And so a lot of the people I met through them. Not everybody's on the same side, you know. And it's got nothing to do with politics. It's all to do with right or wrong. Not far right. We're just far from wrong. So, okay, so the first one was stock footage.

And this one is stock slogans. This, basically, this awful reality we live in is so shit and so degraded. Everything is so repetitive and it's just the same promises over and over. People are reusing each other's phrases. We've run out of ideas. And so we're baking all of this and feeling, you know, this uncomfortable sense of unreality, incredible. And by the way, at the end, did she say far right is far from wrong?

She said, we're not far right, we're far from wrong. Okay. And, yeah, in fact, that was like something that a lot of people would say to me. Well, like, there was another woman, I think she said something like, we're not far right, but we've been right so far right. Oh, wow. So they all have talking points for when they get called far right. So they're coming up with their own funny little slogans as well.

I mean, I say that's a conspiracy. Oh, good, good, good, good. But yeah, I think that it was on a lot of people's mind because there was supposedly an anti-fascist protest happening, a counter-protest to this one. Although, yeah, I never actually saw it, so I don't know where it was. But, yeah, people seem to be expecting some kind of anti-fascist sort of resistance. But yeah, one thing about that interview,

sometimes you listen back and you kick yourself for not asking another question. And I do get that one there. It's really easy to miss something important when you're on the ground because your adrenaline's pumping. There's so many people wandering around, and you don't want to miss your opportunity to jump onto the next. next interview. And yeah, anyway, this is one of those where I wish I'd followed up with that lady about what she meant about being in London during Brexit and having met a lot of people there.

Because if I wanted to speculate, it sounded like she was saying that she and some other protesters had originally met either at a pro or anti-Brexit protest and formed a little community that way, which had then been radicalised during the pandemic. But since I didn't ask her, I can't, I can't be 100% sure that's what she meant. The next lady I spoke to was also middle-aged with blonde curly hair, glasses, and a silver puffer jacket. Her sign read, say no to 15-minute ghettos, and then had something on the back calling the scheme communism. I asked her to talk about what it meant to her.

15-minute cities are not a recent thing. They have been in planning for a while, and I think it's another attempt to try and control us in the same way that lockdowns did. The idea sounds great that you get everything within 15 minutes and where you live so that you start cycling and walking. Great idea. But if your job requires you to work outside of that zone

or you have relatives that live outside of that zone or whatever it may be, we have the right under natural law to travel freely and nobody should deny us that right and nobody should control that freedom. And that's why I think the government is becoming a tyrannical fascist state and we need to do what we can to stand up and say no

I do not consent Are you from Oxford? Have you come far? From Stowmarket in Suffolk. Oh I'm from Norfolk actually So people will be saying You know well 15 minute cities is an Oxford thing What brings you all the way here? What do you respond to that?

Well there's been an East Anglian Gazette article that Ips which is going to be one of the first 15 minute towns It's happening in Norfolk, it's happening in Canterbury. This is a test to see how much the people will tolerate, I think. So if it works here, they'll roll it out everywhere else. And by work, I mean whether people will be compliant. Interesting. The natural law thing and the traveling thing,

she's been consuming some sovereign citizen material. Yeah, it's actually funny you should mention that. because of the thing we next started talking about. So as you can hear, the music was getting really loud. So I asked if she wouldn't mind moving back for us to continue our conversation. That was awesome, awesome, by the way. That beat coming in made that interview verging on art. It always happens to me.

Every time I just start an interview, someone just starts blaring it out. Just like fun, like EDM tunes. I mean, part of me wonders like, are they really upset by this? Or do they just want an excuse to like pour out into the? streets, like, listen to some music and shout because, like, that's the only thing that feels good. And it actually doesn't matter, like, what the topic is as long as it feels in some way, like, you know, some kind of government oppression that you can, you know, push back against. Like, it doesn't matter. Like, they just want to get outside, you know, just dance to some

tunes, answer a couple questions, make some signs. I mean, feels good. It feels good to have a community. Feels good to be connected to, you know, people in your town. Yeah, and it's so far everyone's been traveling from outside of town. No, I think that's 100% right. One thing that is very characteristic of these protests from this movement is that it's always a very fun atmosphere, do you know, like it's always pretty friendly, pretty party-ish. It's a nice, nice vibe. Yeah, so the next thing I wanted to ask her about was the Great Reset, and she actually

made what I thought was a pretty decent point about climate change and how many of the initiatives set up to combat the problem were more about greenwashing some pretty problematic industries. She used electric cars as an example. Then she moved on to another bugbear of the freedom movement, the cashless society. And I was seeing lots of signs referencing like Klaus Schwab, the Great Reset. Are 15-minute cities part of the Great Reset? Are they part of the training? I think it's all connected. So Klaus Schwab said that COVID-19 was a perfect opportunity to bring in the Great Reset. And 15-minute cities have just appeared from nowhere, But it's not a new, if you look, there's reference to it going back a good number of years ago,

but it's suddenly become the new thing because of climate change. And I think bringing in the climate emergency is another, if you invoke an emergency, it gives you powers to control people that you wouldn't normally have. and I think a lot of the supposed climate initiatives aren't green, they're just green washing. They're creating a new industry for businesses in environmental aspects, but it's not really green at all. And I think we're still being encouraged to buy things, just green things. The solution is to consume less. You know, have your phone for five years, not one year.

Make goods that are repairable by the person that lives in the home, not having to throw it away. We live in a throwaway society. Trying to like spend your way out of climate change essentially. The thing is, It's the same people behind the same industries. So if you're from the consumer bandwagon, it's these large corporations that are winning all the time.

So the ULES expansion of ULES in London, you can see that Amazon are primed to take that over. They've got all the electric vehicles which aren't green, and they are recharged by power stations that are using gas. fired by coal and gas. So it's just all smoke and mirrors. Is climate change the new COVID? Yes.

How do you mean that? Well, it's another opportunity to declare an emergency and invoke special powers. And the next thing is the cashless society. I've got some cash 20s, which I'll give you. because governments are looking to bring in digital IDs and have them implemented by December this year. Consultation ends March this year.

And once they've done that, there's no barrier to them getting rid of cash. They're already putting adverts out for people doing the CDBCs. That's really helpful, thank you. One more question I'll let you go. This has been great. Where did you learn about this? I guess, refraised. If someone wanted to learn about this, where should they go? I read a book eight years ago called The Falsification of History by John Hamer,

and that was my wake-up call, realizing that all the apparently random events occurring in the world were actually all connected, you know, going back to 9-11, etc. That was just one more way to increase surveillance to make people feel safer, and they were quite happy to, actually, accept a reduction in their freedom to because they felt safer. And it's the same with COVID. They accepted being locked in their houses because they felt safer. So it goes on. So I'd never heard of that book that she mentioned before, the falsification of history by John Hamer, but as a diligent researcher, I promptly ordered a copy. Unfortunately, it still hasn't arrived by the time of writing this episode. So here's what the blurb says. The book relates the

current insidious plight facing the human race as a direct result of a grand deception that has been imposed upon it for tens of thousands of years, if not longer. This has been perpetrated by the systematic ongoing falsification of history in much the same way as perpetrated by the powers that be in the suspiciously prophetic novel, 1984 by George Orwell. We have all been deceived on a monumental scale by a tiny click of people who by their own birthright and bloodlines absolutely believe that they have the divine right to rule over us by whatever method best suits their purpose. In order to achieve this, they have lied, deceived, murdered, and even committed genocide down the millennia in an attempt to bring their ultimate goal to fruition. Find out

about the use of drugs, vaccinations, microchipping, mind control, transhumanism, and 24-7 distractions such as non-stop sports, entertainments, and the invasive celebrity culture that attempts to pervade our whole lives. Well, I feel very lucky because I did not get captured by the sports. You know, I somehow dodged,

I somehow dodged that. And it's too bad because a lot of people, a lot of guys specifically, they can't avoid that pitfall. I mean, they see a couple of greased up boys on a field, tossing a ball back and forth. They're hooked. Greased up, huh?

Greased up, you know? Greased up, boys. Goosed up. They goose them up a little bit. They grease up the boys. They goose them up a little bit, you know? Make them look real big, you know, extra pads, you know, a couple of gladiators on the field, goose up. What is happening?

Tossing a frisbee back and forth and they're hooked and they're making plans around and they're building fantasy leagues. I mean, a lot of people are trapped in this matrix, and I'm very happy. happy to have somehow avoided that, possibly by getting into a musical theater at a young age. Yeah, by getting beat up by the greased up boys. Yeah. No, I mean, that's actually, that's a really nice way of looking at it, Jake. I'm also, like, not particularly into sports.

So, yeah, maybe this is actually, it feels like quite a depressing theory that this book is putting forward. But there's another spin you can have on it. You can be like, oh, they didn't get me. I don't like football. The next guy I spoke to was a very stylish, hipsterish-looking man with grey quiffed hair and a waxed handlebar mustache. He had a pretty bold sign which read, Say no to Agenda 2030, there is no climate crisis.

An Oxford City Council, you represent us, you don't rule us. You might remember me talking about Agenda 2030 on a previous episode. It's essentially a UN wish list for sustainable development. I, somewhat cynically, called it a comprehensive. attention reading test for UN nations with no real power to change anything. But my interviewe had a very different impression, which he expanded on at length. So Agenda 2030 is the UN's Sustainable Development Goals, 17 Sustainable Development Goals, that will basically enslave the human race.

It's done in the name of sustainability, but it's actually, it's all about control. It's all about taking away our freedoms, taking away our rights, probably taking away our property as well. and reducing us to Circe. So it's something that people don't really know much about and I'm here to publicise that and get people thinking about that. Things like 15-minute cities all come out of Agenda 2030 and Agenda 21, these UN initiatives.

It's all part of that. It's all part of that movement to take away our cars in the false premise that it will help climate change. It won't. It'll have no impact on climate change. It's just an excuse. The climate change thing is just an excuse to remove our freedoms, impose control, impose digital IDs, impose all the framework of restrictions that they're aiming at. Central Bank, digital currencies, social credit schools, this whole apparatus that they've got lined up, coming down the pipeline. need to push back while we still can. So that's the agenda 2030. There is no, there is no climate crisis bit is the fact that there is no climate crisis. It's a completely artificial construct that they're using as an excuse. Climate changes, I appreciate climate

changes, I don't deny climate changes, but I'm saying it's not a crisis, there's no evidence that there's a crisis. All of the climate models have proven to be hopelessly inaccurate. They are not predictors of the future. And they can't even recreate past climate conditions using their models, which is just primer facet eye evidence that the models are useless, not to be taken seriously,

and we shouldn't take climate zealots seriously either. So it's a bit controversial, but that's the point of saying that. You represent us, you don't rule us. It's the whole thing that Oxford City Council, pushing through with this 15-minute city concept, when all of the community outreach that they perform so far has return results that 90% of the people of Oxford are vehemently against this idea, and yet they're going to push ahead with it anyway.

So it's totally anti-democratic. It's totally indicative of the fact that Oxford City Council don't believe that, or don't feel that they represent the electorate who put them in their positions, they answer to other powers. And those other powers are the UN, the World Economic Forum, these supernational, undemocratic organisations that seem to, we've come to realise are all around us, all around us dictating policies. This is a complete top-down movement to restrictors and control It's all coming from the elites, it's all coming from the power structures, it's all coming for unelected people who are like Bill Gates and Klaus Schrold, who are, have a vision for

complete human control in the name of other things that they think they can use as a, as a tool. And that's what my sign is about. One question that had been coming to my mind constantly while I chatted with people was that they were all very clear that they were standing against the Great Reset, a plot set in motion by international elites for world domination. It felt kind of weird then that we were at a protest that was so decidedly local, saying no to one very specific traffic scheme and one small part of the country. I decided to ask as gently as possible why he thought this might be. Why do you think it's happening in Oxford? Why has Oxford been chosen as the sort of, the trial, the test bed for this

concept. I don't know. I could hazard a guess, I could hazard a guess that it's a, it's a liberal city that people will be very pro the idea of it, that they'll think it's a good initiative, that they'll be flattered, that they've been chosen to be first, and they're going to make a damn success of it, you know, to show how, what good people they are. So yeah, I think You've got all the students as well? I think the student population helps, yes. It's a young city. Very, you know, people like to virtue signal, given half a chance,

and they'll feel good about themselves that they're doing something to help the planet, mistakenly believing they're doing something to help the planet. But if it takes bed here, if it takes root in Oxford, there's 100 councils around the country that are waiting for an opportunity to do, the same thing. So we have to knit this in the bud. The second I saw the next person you'll be hearing from, I knew I had to interview him. When you hear me read out his sign, I think you'll

understand why. He looked to be in his 30s or maybe 40s and had a shaved head with a bushy urban beard. He had some runes tattooed on the side of his head. So usually I start by reading out your sign, but that is a lot of words. So I'm going to try and summarize and say it's Photos of various politicians. We've got Trudeau, Biden, Macron, Bill Gates, Fauci, Sadiq Khan. And it also is wanted for crimes against humanity. You've also got something at the top that says, Stop the Adrenochrome Harvesting of our children.

Do you want to tell me what that means? I think it's a subject that's pretty in depth for many people to understand. And just as late they had a march in London outside Bucking Palace about the child trafficking situation and I think out of everything the agenda of 2030 and the Great Reset the main thing that concerns me out of all of it is the the over sexualisation of children the subject of children and I've got two young children myself and it frightens me that a lot of these cases are coming out now where these children have been abused by many of these

top elites and political figures and they're still running the course with this agenda trying to push on these smart cities and digital currency and the Vax harms they've done to the innocent peoples of this country and around the world. And it concerns me that these guys are still walking freely and roaming the streets and still speaking on behalf of us and allowing themselves to become maybe much more powerful than we are, you know, and accepting and hoping that we accept the agenda they're pushing out. And I think they need to go away for a very long time, especially for the harms against children. And I do a generic adrenio crime is a really tough subject.

And for many people, they'll turn a blind eye and they'll ignore it. But the young children have been pushed into these positions with these political figures. And they've seen some real sickening and harrowing things. And it does take a lot to go down to a rabbit hole and delve deep and see these true crimes. And they go deeper than what we're standing here for today. But it is part of the agenda. and we need to allow these high-profile figures to be pulled out until the limelight and really look at the true crimes against children, you know, mainly for me.

There's so much there, isn't there? And it can feel like even just learning about one kind of part of Agenda 2030 or something like that could take years. Years, you absolutely does take years. So, you know, like, what's the, how does it all fit together? What's the, like, master plan, if there is one? I think if there's a master plan, and it, and it, it feels. It feels really sad that, you know, in our day and age of 21st century where you've got kind, compassionate, loving, caring souls that are only standing here because they believe

they want a better future for themselves, their children, the grandchildren. The agenda is that they want to take full control of our lives away from us. It's not about money anymore. They're rich people. They don't need the money. It's gone past the money aspect. It's control over humanity. And they get a kick out of the feeling that we're below their feet almost. You know, we're mere peasants, as Boris Johnson once said. peasants. We're bottom feeders and I believe everyone has a right to a free life and a peaceful life as well and if we don't stop it now my children will suffer the consequences that our ancestors did a hundred years ago this has happened over and over again throughout history

and they're pushing the same agendas the same push with medical procedures and mandates and restrictions on the people of this country and around the world and they believe that we're folding and we're going to cripple under pressure and I'm not going to do that. I have to go out of this world knowing I've done everything for my two children so that they'll have a better future and hopefully one day they'll understand that. They want us to be able to walk within 15 minutes to the adrenachrome farms. They want an adrenochrome farm near every home. Now up to this point, almost everyone I'd spoken to when asked what it was that had woken

them up to the nefarious plans of the Great Reset had given a somewhat similar answer. Something like, I didn't like lockdowns and then I started looking into. to why they were actually wrong, then I found out that COVID was never real at all, and now I'm realising the same about climate change too. This guy, though, had a very different answer, saying it all began for him with the grandfather of British conspiracy culture, David Ike. How did you first learn about this? I think this has been a long process for me.

A great guy that I'd known for many years did David Ike's seminars 25 years ago, and I was one of these people that would laugh insistently at him for the, the speeches that David Ike had made at the time and he went along and mentioned this to guys that I worked on a building site with, you know, and we laughed him off. And it took five years to really delve deep and ask myself, why am I not question the narrative?

Why am I not allowing myself to understand why he's so passionate about the future that is ahead of us? So I took my time out and I looked into the agenda 2030, probably 15 years ago, and it's something that you can't pull away from. You start to see the cracks in the system. It's not a government, it's a corporation, you know, it's by rich men making lots of money out of the misery and demise of the people of this country and, as I say, around the world. And, you know, they need to be brought to justice for that because we just want a peaceful life. And unfortunately, nothing is the same as it ever has been.

We need to start standing for what we've got because we're going to lose it very quickly if we don't. And Agenda 2030 is in our lifetime. It's only seven years away. And they're pushing so hard, insistently trying to push so hard against us. and we have won this war. The war is over, and they know that, and they can see the resistance in us and the strength in us in numbers,

and they will become more tyrannical with it. They will push these agendas through strongly, and the smart city is one way to try and take silences to shut us down. That's really interesting what you just said. So you think the reason it's all coming so kind of hard and fast now, lockdowns, you know, COVID, 15-minute cities, is because they understand that people are waking up.

Absolutely. I think the main push for the end to the mandates and the restrictions at the very beginning was because we stood up and we said, no, we're not, we're not complying. And had we not, and we'd rolled with it, this would have been over. They would have had what they wanted and that was full control over us. Yes, the smart cities are being mentioned, they're being pushed through as an act in Parliament and they're trying to push it through on the gov.uk. So everyone can find this.

It's not conspiracy theory. They're pushing it very hard and very strongly. And at the beginning, it was only because of our insistence to to resist against it, that they had to fold under pressure. And when the nurses got angry about the mandates and the push, they shut up. They stopped the mandates of the drugs on the hospital and the care working staff. And that just shows that it was a resilience of these people that I'm standing here with today that stopped that from happening.

So I do believe that it's angering them and upsetting them, so they'll become more tyrannical with it. And this is one of those agendas, I guess. It's fascinating that his framing is that we've already won. you know because for others it's it's you know a description of being inside of a struggle but this is kind of more convenient because it's like that's why now we're protesting something of you know little import like the 15 minute cities because we want to you know kind of make sure that they know that they're defeated it's over you won't even be able to pass this tiny measure because we've already won the war or whatever it's very strange it's really interesting isn't it actually reminded me of a book i read academic book about the tea party move movement in the US, which was called Change They Can't Believe in. And it was really interesting. It talked about how, I guess, like, grassroots movements keep up momentum.

And they had this theory, essentially, that you have to have the kind of push and pull of grassroots political movements. And so you've got to have the overarching goal, right, which can never actually be reached. It has to be something that's kind of always just out of reach, because that's what keeps the movement pushing forward. But at the same time, there have to be little whims, because otherwise everyone just gets demoralized and apathetic and they drop out. And yeah, it was like, I think about it a lot when it comes to, I think, things like the anti-lockdown movement, the freedom movement and

stuff like that. Because you'll often hear people say, oh, and of course it's now coming out that we were right about COVID all along, or it's now coming out that we were right about vaccines all along. And you sort of think, that's the little wins, right? This kind of understanding that that total vindication is just around the corner, but there's little moments of vindication in their media environment. I'm noticing more and more that people are deciding to just chalk up everything as a win. You know, everybody at some point, at some point they went, it doesn't fucking matter what I believe. That actually has no impact on whatever my outcome is in the real world. So I feel better choosing to believe that everything is a win. Even if it's an L. Exactly. If everything is an L,

then it's just a state of mind away from being a W. Yeah, because fucking forget it. I can't fucking actually accept that everything is an L. Towards the end of that interview, I realized that over on the other side of the square, where I'd seen someone setting up a small stage and microphone earlier, speeches had started and a crowd was gathering. I bustled over towards the stage,

which was already crowded out of view by masses of people. I'm not entirely sure how or why, but for some reason, people at the front actively made space for me to come through and stand with them. This will be especially funny when you hear how they treated other journalists later. So I ended up having a front row seat to the speeches from the organisers of the march. This ended up being a real scoop, because for some reason the sound equipment wasn't working incredibly well. And so basically nobody, apart from the very front rows, managed to hear anything of what was being said. So, without wanting to run you through every single speech,

which would be very boring, I'll try to give you the highlights. The woman who was acting as compare for the speeches was someone I recognised from online but had never seen in person before. Fiona Hine, founder of Covileaks, an anti-vaccine organisation founded in 2020, which had organised several rallies in London, most notoriously a vigil outside the BBC to honour supposed victims of the COVID-19 vaccine. We are not on the right or the far right. We are on the right side of history. We're on the right side of history and we are here because we all know it's the right thing to do to stand up together to save our rights that are under attack here in Oxford and all around the country where these 15 minute or 20 minute cities are being announced. And may I say I'm looking round at you today, look at how diverse we all are.

We are every people here today. We are from every ethnic background. We are men, women, every sex, every gender, every nationality, and from different parts of the country. And we are putting aside all those differences, all those identities they keep pinning on us to divide us. Today we say, no, you're not going to divide us. Now, to be fair to Fiona, she wasn't totally wrong.

It was a fairly ethnically diverse crowd, although definitely less so than the anti-lockdown rallies at 2021. I'd have to say the majority of people stood there were still middle-aged white people. One thing I did notice from my privileged vantage point, though, is that there are a couple of people there from the right-wing populist heritage party stood right at the front, occasionally talking with the organisers. One of them was holding a heritage party sign. I assumed that they were going to get up and speak at one point, but they never did. And it turned out that they went to have a separate rally once the march got started.

I'd later learn from other media reports that there was a presence from the white nationalist group Patriotic Alternative, too. You might remember me encountering at that Drag Queen's Story Hour protest in Norwich. Now, the next speaker was someone I know you guys know, because it was Lawrence Fox, the Thespian star of my son, Hunter. Yes, Hunter by the watch. Let's go. They got Hunter. I'm not going to lie, I didn't get the impression he was doing well from his speech. Compared to everyone else who stood up and talked, some for what felt like a very long time,

he probably spoke for about a minute, I got the sense he had written that they aren't just on the hoof, and yet still managed to ramble. It isn't about the environment, it's about power and control over you. Every single day, we have an opportunity to further the cause of freedom and to make the world a better place than before for our children, freedom to speak, freedom to move, freedom to transact, freedom to go where you want, freedom to travel, freedom of bodily autonomy, and every single day we should be making steps towards freedom.

We have seen in these last years how quickly simple freedoms can be taken away and the catastrophic damage caused when society is dominated by the fearful. And any step we take in the other direction, we take a step towards control and tyranny and a step away from freedom. So every single day that we don't fight for our fundamental human rights we left alone to pursue our business is a betrayal of our children's future and a betrayal of freedom. And we will fight every single day towards freedom. Freedom!

Okay. Yeah. Freedom. He does sound a little rough. I mean, you know. Were people super excited to see him there? Or do they, does he show up at a lot of these? It's kind of like old hat. Yeah. It's old hat at this point. Yeah. I mean, I think he, he was quite a good, a big get for the protest, definitely. Yeah. You know, he's been on TV and stuff. But he has shown up a protest like this before. I think he was a, I definitely saw him at the first anti-lockdown protest I went to as well. Oh, it's Hunter Biden. Hunter. Say your famous. Say your famous line. I like to smoke crack. Say your line.

Hunter, will you sign my laptop, please? The next couple of speeches were honestly quite boring and just went over much of the same things about Great Reset and Climate Denal, as my interviewees had been saying. So I'll spare you having to listen to that. The next speaker was really interesting, though. I feel a little strange broadcasting it, but I do think it's significant. It seems for the freedom. movement have recruited their own answer to Greta Tunberg. A 12-year-old girl called Jasmine, who was introduced as the movement's child freedom ambassador.

Oh, no. Oh, my God. Come on. Come on. Yes, the child prince. Yes, yes, parade her up in front of the people, give her the words to say. Oh, my God, this reminds me of like, it was like little AOC or something, and it was like some conservative, like, you know.

tube child, and they were like training her to do like anti-AOC bullshit talking points. It was just, what a nightmare. What a fucking nightmare. Yeah, she was actually a pretty decent public speaker, much better than some of the adults who'd preceded her and worked up the crowd quite well. Okay, so the officials in city council have to do what we the people want. We the people are not slaves to these officials and they are not our masters. Is that correct or am I wrong? The MP, Andrew Bridger, last month.

said that the politicians work for us, not the other way around. He said that as he was kicked out of government by the corrupt politicians who have hijacked our government buildings. I have no doubt that more than 50% of these politicians are secretly in favour of the World Economic Forum and their plans to enslave us in their digital nightmare. Starting with their digital ID system, which will give them total control over your bank accounts and whether or not you can access your money. Providing you are a good slave and allow yourself to be experimented on with their Frankenstein injections, I'm sure your money will be okay.

Well, for as long as you live anyways. I have no doubt about that. But if you dare try to stand up for your fundamental rights and freedoms, you will be punished. I have no doubt about that either. And the Oxford City officials are building this prison for themselves.

How dumb is that? Okay, I'm going to have to disagree with you, Annie. Jasmine speaks like shit. She's just going through the script. There's some call and response built. by the adults who wrote this for her, and she's just, she's just not nailing her marks there. Harry, Harry, they're meaning, they're meaning to tell us it's only going to be a 15-minute walk to Hogsmead. No, no, no, no, no, no. We already get a lot of shit from British people,

and Annie gets shit for letting us do the British accents, but we can't start doing Harry Potter on top of it. That is... Double doors going to make us all lock down in the Giffender Common Room, only a 15-minute... Walked Hogsmeet. Ron. No, he's gone. Ron, Ron's taking the vaccine, Harry. He's turned into, he's turned into Professor Snape.

Okay. All right. My middle, there's only so much freestyle I can do around Harry Potter. Really? Because it felt like you were building steam. No, no. I was losing, losing steam the moment I started. and kept going, of course.

No, I do take your point, Julian. I think, yeah, she was better than some of the adults that had just come before, but she was like very confident, I guess, which I definitely wouldn't have been at 12 years old at her age. Yeah, you were just supporting you know, girl power, like, obviously it's nice to see a young woman up there,

you know, in the limelight. Yeah, you were getting fed in a high chair on TV. The National Baby supports our new 12-year-old point. Minister, Jasmine. That's right. I know what it feels like to be a child in the spotlight.

Oh, the scars of child acting. Oh, they'll last forever. Yeah, at one point she even did a Greta Tunberg impression for the crowd, which drove them absolutely wild. As a 12-year-old, I am really concerned about my future, and to Clown Schwab,

I say this. How dare you? How dare you steal my childhood and my future? And the future of all children by enslaving us in your crazy digital surveillance prison. We all know where this is leading. And by the way, Klaus, just for information, I still think you're a complete nutcase. How dare you? Who do you think you are? To me, you are no different from a villain in a Jamie

Bond movie, attempting to hold the world hostage in your crazy transhumanist dystopian. And for what? To make more money, more profits, is there truly any amount of wealth that will satisfy your greed? So people, listen, make no mistake, these are the first steps of a dystopian reality called 15-minute neighbourhoods. From a small seed, a huge tree can grow. Do you know yesterday the temperature was 7 degrees, but today it is 12 degrees? The greedy people are claiming that the zones are to do with climate change. Over the last few decades, the greedy people have managed to convince the people of the world that if the temperature goes up by one single degree, one degree, that all life will become extinct. How dumb have you got to be to believe that?

This is not true. It's fake science. The same fake science that told us if we wear a cheap and pathetic face mask, it will stop us breathing in a virus Climate change is nothing but a story created by fake scientists and the greedy people and there is no a shred of truth in any of it The child is right Grata

Okay kid so you admit it's a virus Also you could I mean if you need proof that this was not written by her Look only to her references A villain in a James Bond movie She's 12 years old She doesn't give a fuck about James fucking Bond. She's like much like in Goldfinger.

It's like, she. Don't. Don't. In the famous films from the 1940s, we know, we know that the villains. Oh, my God. As they said in Ivanhoe, references which I love. Oh, boy. Fucking so.

Wow, that's so melted. That's really fucked up. That's really fucked up. It's so well rehearsed. I mean, I think even the crowd is uncomfortable by a kid up there saying these things. They're like, oh, no, these beliefs are for adults. I mean, it's also because these people have been sharing horrifying stuff about Greta for like the last, I don't know how many years. Going into like when she was younger than 18, oftentimes insanely sexual.

It's like just so. And so they must know on some level. like, oh, this is not a good thing for us to do exactly the, like, to find some shadow Greta. I think so, but I think they're also, they're jealous of that. Do you know, I mean, they're jealous of, we have a child. We also have a child. I mean, I did honestly, like, you know, debate with myself whether I should, like, put this part of her speech, because, you know, obviously kids believe all sorts of strange things,

particularly of an adult has told them, which I strongly suspect is the case here. But I want to make clear I'm not, I'm not putting this here to a. cancel her or anything like that. But I think actually, yeah, I think this is a movement which I think is particularly self-conscious about the fact that it's mostly older people, that they, you know, they see themselves up against the kind of climate activists who they see as the young crowd. Yeah, I think, you know, they understand fundamentally that it's good PR to have, to have a voice of a child on their, on their side. So I suspect, I've got a hunch, basically, we'll see, if not Jasmine again, then someone like her, because I think

they know that it's, it looks good for them. Yeah, you're right. She's a brave young woman. Yeah, this is no, no judgment, no judgment on the kid, obviously. I'm passing the mantle of National Baby down to Jasmine. Yeah. New National Baby. Clearly handed, handed a speech typed up by, you know, a parent or on goal.

No, but she practiced the fuck out of it. I'll give her that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. She definitely had practiced it over and over and over at home. No, the performance ship is, the performance is excellent. Yeah. And takes a lot of guts to get up on a stage. I mean, I, I, I, my, my soft to put me into the fashion show that they held at their shul.

What? What? Uh, more than once. And, you know, I was terrified to get it. I hated it. But you were like a child Zoolander. Yeah, basically. I was, I, I, I, I, there are pictures of me in like an all blue, um, like, sweat suit.

Like, with like, a, like, a shiny blue, like, plastic visor on. Oh my God. And we are finding out so much about each one, each and every one of you. Yeah, I'd like to reiterate, this was the fashion show that took place at the shul. Yeah. Now, for those who don't know, shul is a word for synagogue, which is a synonym for a Jewish temple. But if you say shul, you're like, you're a super Jew. Fuck.

I'm just saying there's a big difference between somebody says, oh, I got temple on Saturday. And then the second tier is, we can't. Second tier is, oh, I'm going to the synagogue, but then the final tier is I'll be, I'm going to shul. Okay. Okay. Okay. Got my, got my Jew tears down. Good. That's right. The climate denial theme continued with the next speaker, Paul Burgess, who said he runs a YouTube

channel called Climate Realism. Much of it was standard. Actually, CO2 is good for plants and good for the planet stuff that I've gotten pretty used to hearing people say at these protests. But there was one conspiracy theory in there that I hadn't heard before. which essentially alleged that climate change was a racket by which the global South extorted rich Western countries. I found it both intriguing and alarming

because of how it directly addresses and then distorts one of the major points that climate activists have been making for years, that the effects of climate change aren't just a hypothetical future but are already being felt in the poorest countries. My website, not my website, but my tutor panel, is designed to give you videos that link the science that anyone can understand. And one of the best compliments I had was

my 11 year old son understood it and said, hey, that's not what I'm taught at school. And the real sin is teaching children's school this absolute rubbish because for the last 30 years there's been a mass brainwashing movement of children. Let's go on about ground islands. None of them have ground.

90% of them have grown. 8% growth overall. Tuvali or Tuvalu, I'm not sure how you pronounce it, the most prone island in the world, the one they featured. This is going to go first has grown 2.9%. But it doesn't stop their leaders

sitting in a pool of water on the share saying help us, give us money. That's what the whole of the IPCC is about. It's controlled by third world countries. They even write the scientific report at the end that goes to all the politicians. Call the summary for policy makers.

A high point of drama occurred when the compere Fiona resurfaced and before introducing the next speaker got the crowd to engage in some cheerful booing of the various media organisations that were there that day. The BBC, Padorama and ITV all got a go. Luckily, QAnon Anonymous was not mentioned, which I took as implicit approval of our high standards of unbiased reporting. Yes. The next speaker, Mark Devlin, began by explaining to us all about the slow creep of cultural Marxism into society, orchestrated by the Fabian Society, and how this related to Oxfordshire Council's various schemes.

As he wrapped up his speech with a tortured Orwell reference, I noticed a BBC cameraman at the front of the crowd, lying on his stomach to get a shot looking up at the stage. It seems Fiona noticed him, too, because when she next came out, she pointed directly at him while whipping up the crowd into what I can only describe as some kind of medieval public-shaming ritual. Listen to the clip, and you'll see what I mean. We need to say that we saw what was coming and we said, you want to do what? Not on our watch.

Not on our watch. The answer is no. Thank you. BBC Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you

Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you All right, look, I just I think you're all right, you're a cameraman I'm trying to cover myself now. We are peaceful, but shame on you.

No, seriously guys You're laughing He's laughing everyone He's probably You know that we're telling the truth And you know that we're on the right side of history BBC So as long as you report the truth Then we're all right with you

Look at him on the floor He's wriggling like a worm It's a nasty little cameraman It's just like I don't know I just felt so bad for the guy Like it's bad enough to obviously Have all of these people shouting at you But he was literally lying on his stomach

But you could not be in like a more, I don't know, vulnerable positions for that to happen in. Yeah. Oh, my God. The next speaker, Dan Aston Gregory, was an interesting one because he seemed to be the first person to actually address the argument that a 15-minute city might not in fact be an enforced gulag, which every other speaker and person I'd spoken to so far seemed to take for granted. Well, if you look at it, it's an open conspiracy because, you've got organisations like the C-40 and the Global Covenant of Mayors who've all signed up to the idea that we do these 15-minute cities.

And in the UK, already 100-plus councils have said, yes, we're going to do what Oxford are doing and others before them. And with everything that's been spoken here today, there's always an emotional plea to some utopian ideal. And I can understand it. I can understand the appeal of a, you know, a green city with, you know, lots of beautiful areas for our children to play in. Who doesn't want that? Who doesn't actually want to live in an area where there's lots of great amenities nearby?

We all want that kind of thing. So where are the checkbooks at the local councils in terms of investing, in beautifying the area, investing in industry, investing in local jobs? investing in local jobs, you would expect a 15-minute scheme which promises these wonderful ideals of everything you need within 15 minutes of your doorstep to actually be out there

actively building and investing in your local community. But how many people know a local or national government that is spending their money wisely at the moment? The thing we're protesting is actually good, but they're never going to get to it because they don't even do any of the other stuff. Gregory's speech, I thought, was effective in ways that many of the others weren't because

he wasn't preaching to the converted. He was quite cleverly constructing an argument to persuade people who weren't already convinced of the dangers of 15-minute cities by drawing on legitimate critiques of the government that most reasonable people would agree with, like lack of investment in local services and unfair standards of enforcement over COVID. In a way, I was quite glad the speakers were so bad and he was only being heard by a handful of diehard supporters that poor BBC see cameraman and myself, because he seemed to be a pretty savvy persuasive operator. Things on the left I'm appalled by, and there's things on the right I'm appalled by. But the reality, no wonder why you're politically homeless in the state of affairs we find

ourselves in here today. But the governments are needlessly spending our money on war and, you know, cronyism and all the things that have been billions have been spent through the last three years on COVID, leaving us in quite a precarious situation. So no, we're not facing a beautiful 15. minute city where everything is wonderfully available on your local doorsteps, wonderful education for your children, beautiful parks, wonderful amenities, lovely restaurants. If that was really what was on offer, you would see people's legs matching their mouse and taking action to actually build vibrant communities.

And I'm sure we'd all agree with that ideal. That's the promise. But like every con man, it's a missale. we're being mis-sold because what's on offer rather than this beautiful, lovely, vibrant environment on your doorstep is surveillance, car CCTV, watching your every move, blockade, stopping you moving around the city, and completely removing your ability to travel freely. And the reality is, within every utopian ideal, there has to be realism and practical reality. There has to be pragmatism.

speeches wrapped up, I extricated myself and began milling around the wider protest again. While I had been in the inner circle watching the speeches, I kept hearing shouting and loud music playing from the outside. There were some dark mutterings that this was the local anti-fascist trying to disrupt the flow of truth and freedom coming from the state. But I later learned it was just the protesters themselves, who couldn't hear the speakers and thus were keeping themselves entertained. There was an anti-fascist counter protest going on somewhere in the city, but I never caught sight of it until the very end, which I'll get to later.

I got chatting to a middle-aged guy who told me he was from South London. He wasn't carrying a sign. Now, there isn't a slight bias in my reporting on protest that I've talked about before on this podcast, but I'll reiterate it here. I often speak to people holding signs at these things because it's a conversation starter, but also because those are the people that tend to be the most confident and the most likely to want to talk to the media. But that can sometimes give you a skewed view of who's attending these events,

because if you bothered to make a sign and are happy to talk to a journalist, the chances are you're going to feel pretty strongly, rather than the more moderate voices that mill around. I think this next interview reflects that. Much of what he discussed was just the language of relatively normal local politics, but it was just lightly peppered with little hints of conspiracy theories

about dark agendas. So obviously, you know, if you were to ask, say, one of these counter-protesters here today, what a 15-minute city is, they would say, well, it's just a neighbourhood where you can just get everything you need within 15 minutes. Yeah.

You know, what's the problem with that? Well, I think there is a problem with that, because we're not used to that, you know, and we don't, nobody voted for that. We haven't voted for it, and it's a democratic, meant to be a democratic country, and we have not been given a choice, you know, and that's what democracy is, it's having a choice. And that has been taken up, well, they're trying to take that away, and that is unacceptable. And just before we got talking, or when I turned the microphone off, you were telling me, you're saying, you're from South London, you've been dealing with something called U-Less. Yeah. Now I've got, you know, listeners from America and stuff like that, they won't know what that means. So what's Eulet? Well, Eulise is the mayor of London, if he calls himself that, the ultra-low emission zone where he wants to charge people £12.50 to, at the moment, it's going into within the North Circular and the South Circular of London, but he's expanding it out to almost where the M-25 is, which is a motorway.

around London, greater London, where if you have a vehicle over a certain age, or I think it's 2004 for a petrol, they want to charge you £12.50, and it's a diesel car, it's after, before 2016, £12.50 to drive around in your own city, which again is unacceptable. It's using the excuse of climate and emissions, but these vehicles go for an MOT every year where they check the emissions. So it's really a made-up thing to control people and get revenue. That's what it is. So you see these things.

It's all connected, basically. It's all about local government overreaching trying to restrict freedom of movement in their cities. 100%, yeah. They want to restrict you from moving around. The city, yeah. I mean, they'll say moving around in a car and then that will move on to something else. They'll say, oh no, no, you can't even move out of this area at all. Like, you're 15-minute city. So it's like you'll be in an open prison.

With all these cameras everywhere, one thing will always lead to another. So we have to stop it now before we go any further with this. Because it's completely undemocratic. No one has, there is no mandate for this. Nobody has voted for it. Nobody's been asked about it. When we did have a consultation in London, they did have a consultation with the...

They actually vote... The consultation went against what this mayor said by, I think 70% didn't want it in this consultation. And they hid the results. It's complete and utter mail feasts in public office. The guy shouldn't be there. He should be arrested. He should be arrested.

The protest had ended now, the march was beginning. We began to move through the crowded streets of Oxford on a Saturday, watched by bemuse shoppers, students, and tourists, with police horses cantering at the front and end of the procession. Ironically, given what the whole protest was about, they were very clearly blocking off cars to allow us to move smoothly through the city streets. The next lady I spoke to was honestly fascinating. She looked to be in her 60s or older, and wore a green jacket and green bucket hat, which had various memo cards stuck to each side with little slogans written on them. I couldn't read all of them, but one of them said, Cash is King, use it or lose it.

She also had a sign that read, net zero is a lie. Without carbon dioxide, we die. 15-minute cities will be open-air prisons. Unfortunately, our interview got off to a slightly halting star, as she kept getting nervous and losing her train of thought. I tried to gently encourage her, so I hope this doesn't just sound like bullying to you guys. Well, the thing is that they... Oh God, I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. No, I'm really sorry. No, it's okay. What have I asked you about your Cash's King badge? Would that be easier? Yes, okay. Well, I think a lot of young people have been brought up doing everything on their phones and they have no idea that cash is the only thing that is totally...

Oh, God, what's the word? Totally. Oh, God, sorry. It's all right. No rush. No rush at all. Sorry, I know what the word is, but I can't get it out. Totally anonymous.

We got there. And, you know, they're talking about bringing in, well, definitely more than talking. They're going to bring in the central bank to digital currency, which is called the Brit coin. and they're telling us that it's going to be just going to make life easier but in fact it's going to be it's just that the nail in the coffin as far as total and utter control is concerned

that along with the digital ID the security thing people just don't know that they're being sucked in and so many people know that there's something wrong but they choose to keep their head in the sand and then we've got 5G and everything else

and I know people of my friends who are not doing that well because we've all listened to too many podcasts and we've been far too close to all this technology

and people are beginning to get headaches and not feeling well So it's like it's actually making people physically sick? Oh very much so there are lots of people

who are very ill they can't actually leave their houses and well there's an excellent book I've just read twice, called The Invisible Rainbow by Arthur Furstenberg, who himself can't cope with electricity. And he spent 30 years researching this incredible book.

So I recommend everybody to read it because then you'll understand that possibly COVID might well be linked to this massive rollout of 5G. because we've had influenza constantly since about, well, since the First World War, it's never really gone away. And we've had massive, and every time there's been an advancing technology, there is a flu epidemic. And, you know, people just haven't really put this two and two together yet. So, you know, there's much more to it than meets the eye. Oh, I only hope that we're giving people podcasting disease. I know, yeah. You heard it here first.

And Bitcoin, it sounds like Bitcoin, but it's the new currency they're trying to force on us. I mean, that one is clearly not a thing, right? Like, that's not Bitcoin. Oh, no, I mean, that is actually real. Yeah, I'm going to talk about it a little bit later on. But, I mean, the central, well, it's Rishi Sunak. He's very into cryptocurrency. and things like that.

But basically he, when he was, yeah, Chancellor of the Exchequer, had an idea that we would have our own central banking digital currency called Bitcoin. It's like one of those things where like people keep on agreeing how innovative and exciting it would be. But like as far as I can tell, nobody has actually come up with a reason it would be useful.

So it's, yeah, it's just, it's that kind of like VC brain meets politics. Just like, what if we could do our own like cryptocurrency? thing. But yeah, of course, that's obviously got folded into the Great Reset. But yeah, what that woman said did genuinely interest me, because I've been trying to figure out what exactly I think the Great Reset Conspiracy Theory is about. It can often seem like a grab bag of assorted ideas, transhumanism, lockdown, microchips, population control. When viewed from afar, it looks really random and chaotic, just like a general list of things. But I think when

you talk to people, you do start to get a sense of a running theme in what they're saying. And one very clear motif is the anxiety around technology, either as a tool of control, surveillance, or in this lady's case, something that was literally poisoning us. I decided to gently push her to see how far she'd take this idea. That's so interesting. So, I mean, what is the solution to this? Obviously, there's consciousness building like stuff today, but ultimately should we be moving to off the grid, to tech-free societies?

Well, I mean, in an ideal world, yes. I mean, I loathe technology. I actually ran away to Argentina about 20 years ago now because I didn't want to send any more emails. And I lived with no electricity or running water in the middle of nowhere. Well, I had a tiny solar panel, but for most of 11.5 years. And it was unsustainable, really, as far as my... well because it was a very corrupt country and you know but you know I didn't really miss

anything that I had here and you know coming back seven years ago was the most appalling shock to the system and made me very ill and yeah so I live a very simple life and you know and but the thing is I have before Argentina and after Argentina before Argentina about 20 years ago we functioned perfectly well without being glued to our bloody smartphones which didn't exist and we actually spoke to each other on the telephone we actually dropped in on people and we you know businesses worked and we weren't terribly stressed which we are now so anyway I know it's very difficult to turn back the clock but I think people would be much happier in a world where they weren't connected 24-7 to around

the world and things. But I don't know quite how we do that with people who have known nothing else. That's the problem. She told me a little more about how she'd suffered from debilitating stress in the past, which was part of the reason she'd struggled with my questions at first. She said she'd been cured by taking good quality supplements

and eating organic. She also told me how nice it was to see a young person so interested in this stuff. This was actually something that would come up in later interviews too, a slight sense of a grievment on behalf of the protesters that so few young people were joining their cause. After that, for some reason, I got a string of rejections all in a row. Every person I approached and asked if they'd like to talk about, their signs shook their head at me.

Sometimes weird stuff happens like that. You get one rejection and the next person sees it and follows suit. But I will say that this is the protest where the most people they approach declined to talk to me. All of this is to say that it was a huge relief when the next person agreed to speak to me. He was a tall, smiley guy with dark curly hair who looked to be in his 30s or 40s. He was stood on the corner of a street we marched through holding a sign towards the protesters that said ULES, 15-minute cities, attacks on our freedom.

This time I decided to get a little boulder and address the climate change question head on. And so you've connected, you know, the 15-minute cities with stuff like the U-LES in London, the low-traffic neighbourhoods. Do you see all of this is part of like, I mean, are local councils coming up with this stuff independently, essentially? Or is it part of like a grand plan? I think it is part of a plan, yeah.

I think it's important that people realize that. I mean, I know that that will turn people off and make them talk about conspiracy theories and think that you're a lunatic. But the fact is that these are in line with UN sustainability goals, which are couched in very nice language about saving the environment, and we all want to be custodians of the planet. We all want clean air and clean living conditions.

But we think that they are being brought about to restrict people rather than to improve the environment. And the hypocrisy of it is obvious because the people who are saying these things, the people who are saying these things come around in private jets. They enforce militaries, which are the biggest polluters in the world. So that's our concern, yeah. And obviously there will be people who say, look, you know, it's not nice.

It's not nice having to restrict my movement and my car travel and stuff. But look, the climate change is like, you know, is going to make the world unlivable in 20 years. We've got to make sacrifices. What do you think about that? I actually think that we've been hearing the doomsday prophecies from people like Al Gore for many, many years now, and none of them have come to fruition.

And the co-opting of science and censorship of science and of the media on this suggests to me that these narratives are not true. If we think about carbon dioxide, it's actually good for the planet. It's plant food, essentially. And its percentage of within the atmosphere is 0.04% of which man's contribution is 0.4%. It doesn't make any sense.

The idea that carbon dioxide is making is a driver of the climate is false. It's actually subsequent to climate change, the fluctuations in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. So the fundamental problem is that the narrative is not true and it's all been used to drive restrictions on human freedom. It seems my losing streak was coming to an end as the next person I asked to be interviewed, agreed as well. He was middle age and had a sign that read there is no climate emergency. He told me he thought climate change was a fiction, made up to serve something he called the anti-car agenda. The anti-what agenda? Anti-car agenda. But the science, there is no science backing up, man-made human, man-made climate change. That's so interesting. So why is it, you know,

constantly being bled on the TV, on the radio, everything about climate change? You know, what's the end goal if it's not real? And people just deluded? Well, the end goal is total enslavement of humanity and climate change is the lie to bring that about. And so how do you see the 15-minute cities for the Oxford proposal, which is why the protest is here today? How do you see that fitting into that?

Well, firstly, the 15-minute city will severely restrict car use, private car ownership, and also it will effectively lock populations down into a small living area. Now, into what's called human settlement zones. and that's part of UN Agenda 2030 to get most of the world population to live in high-density cities and so really that's what the 15-minute city is really all about it's got nothing to do with the environment or the climate or anything like that

so it's about controlling the population and stripping away their wealth freedom and what can we do about that well the most important thing is mass non-compliance peaceful mass non-compliance in my view and it's also important to lobby councils and councillors to make sure they don't enforce these crazy rules But I think the most important thing is no that people say no and they don't go along with it. And if necessary, ignore the rules and carry on with your life as best you can.

Because in the end, I think peaceful, mass non-compliance is the answer to world tyranny. That's great. And just one more question and I'll let you go. This has been wonderful. If someone wanted to learn more about this, where should they go? Where did you first learn about this? Well, my favorite website is Davidaich.com because it's a great resource of information

of independent journalism around the world. But there's lots of places. I like Max Egan as well. The Dollar Vigilante. UK column is very good. Daily Expose, Vernon Coleman. So that's a selection. Daily Expose.

Yeah. Yeah, I actually hadn't heard of that one. But yeah, one thing I did notice at this protest was the most frequent answers to my question about media journeys were nearly always David Ike and UK Column, although a fair few other people had suggested various telegram channels. UK Column is a right-wing conspiracy news site launched by ex-tory councillor Brian Gerrish in 2006,

which never gained much traction before the pandemic, where it saw a surge in interest due to its daily COVID-denialist news reports. Now, the next interview I did was less of an interview and more of a one-sided rant. I saw two Asian guys who looked to be in their 30s and went to approach them. Before I'd even finished asking the question, one of them grabbed the mic from me and went on roughly a 10-minute monologue in which he seemed to touch on almost every internet-based cultural war topic in conspiracy theory going. Here he is segueing seamlessly from 15-minute cities to hotels hosting refugees,

which have become a target for various far-right protests in recent weeks. all right so the sign says government are lying to you jail the government for treason say no to human enslavement yeah what yeah what does that mean okay so if you look at what's gone on over the past since 2020 everything's been turned up by a volume of 10 not just in not just in the UK but across globally you'll see Germany Canada New Zealand the the goal government's control, what it should be is we know everything about the government, but they know very little about us. But they know everything about us.

We know very little about where our money's going. And it's becoming an us versus them situation. What we're seeing is non-government organisations are doing the dirty work for the government. I'd ask everyone this question, what's your darkest thought? And the government have probably done that. What that sign is about is telling everyone the government, to be working for us is actually working against us. You know, 10 billion pounds worth of PPE that couldn't be used.

That Baroness, who was a champion for women in work, look what she did. And she's escaped to a foreign country. If me or you were to do half of what they've done, we'd be in jail. I had an issue surrounding tax where there was a slight discrepancy. It got resolved, but you would have thought I killed someone. The way I got treated, it was bad. And we're seeing this across every single facet. Every single facet of the government, they are getting far too intrusive into people's personal lives.

And if you look at it, if the punishment for something is a fine, it means it's legal for a price. So all these charges of what's happening now in Oxford, we get rolled out everywhere soon. People are like, oh, it's happening there, it's not happening here. I don't go Oxford. Wait and watch. Then you're going to wish you spoke out when they had it. And as this is going on, every facet of the government, even with what's going on for refugees, we want them to be treated.

Well, nobody wants harm to them. If you go and attack them, you're an idiot. That being said, our children have to be safe. We cannot have children getting, you know, sort of interfered with anything like that. So what's going on in Liverpool and Ireland, I don't support the refugee centres getting hurt, but I support people standing up. And what I will say is, if those refugee centres were in the best parts of London in Windsor, you would see a change faster in any other point.

And you know what? There's a lot of talk about it being a right-wing movement. There's no right or left. There's just people who are getting trodden by the government. Wow, yeah, he's really worked up. Yeah. After that, he moved on from Andrew Tate to Tommy Robinson to the Brazilian election, to the US election in 2020,

to trans people, to Drag Queen's Story Hour. It was like clicking on every link in a right-wing conspiracies telegram channel in real time. But what I would say is, why don't you know about Davos, why don't you know about the decisions they're making for you? Why are we all getting told? You have to hate a man called Andrew Tate, but don't watch his long-form interviews. As soon as you watch his long-form interviews, all that narrative is destroyed. Same with Tommy Robinson. A lot of people are now listening to him long-form. He's matured in what he's saying. And you know what? Surprise, surprise. He saved a Muslim man's life. So if you look at his

latest documentary, he helped a Muslim man who was falsely accused of being in a grooming gang. and our government tried to silence him he hasn't got a bank account has Matt Hancock back a bank account yes he has is Matt Hancock on social media despite lying yeah and when they said our COVID spreads this

COVID spreads that all of that that was all a lie as well so you know I'm I thought I was going crazy I'm glad to see you look at how many people here clearly it's not me so anyone now who sat there looking at the government it's not just about your taxes

about your roads it's about your welfare and they're not doing it and in any country where they are if you look at Brazil was the last country, there was a change of presidency, and it's done in a really strange way. Very similar to Joe Biden beating Trump. Joe Biden can't get more than 5,000 people in a venue.

Donald Trump was packing them out on his own money. It's very strange that. They're saying, no, no, but they're saying that Joe Biden won. But Joe Biden can't even string a sentence together. So, you know, and like I say, it's like all of these things the government are doing, it's not for your well-being, and like, especially for women, where, you know, men entering women. spaces, you know, unfortunately for, what's that woman in Scotland, SMP leader, a Sturgeon,

yeah, she was stuck between a cock in a hard place, literally, because that man raped a load of women, yeah, which is messed up, then he goes, right, I want to go into all women's prison. You know what, and you don't, like I say, I'm not saying some people can't be trans, you can't, but what you can't do is you can't force it on other people, you can't, and you shouldn't be in women's spaces, you know, and it's like I say, like, if you don't mind me asking a Have you got any kids yet yourself? When you do, your thinking will change drastically because you will then start viewing everything with a different lens

and it's like without going down the conspiracy theory lens they're trying to lower the age of consent there seems to be an agenda about teaching my kids about being having drag queens read stories to my kids. That's not right. You shouldn't be doing that. That's, no offense. It's that.

The drug shows are for adults, not for children. And there's nothing that my child needs to learn. My child's mine. I don't need, I don't need the state telling me what to do. Wow. This guy is something else. Yeah. He spends all of his time in front of a computer finding new things to get mad at.

Yeah. Yeah. No, that was exactly it. It was like just like clicking on a link and then clicking on another link and clicking on another link. It was like a human hyperlinked kind of monologue. Yes. The next lady I spoke to was middle-aged, had dyed red hair, and what I think was an Eastern European accent.

She started by telling me about the four horsemen of the apocalypse and then moved on to a theory she's seen on Instagram that, if I'm understanding it correctly, babies that have been jabbed for COVID were now growing at an abnormally fast rate. All right, so you were just telling me about the four horsemen of the apocalypse. Yes. All right.

Yeah, so we would say pestilence has been, then the plague, COVID, we're all scared and all the rest of it. Now it's death, we're all getting the lovely vaccine and suddenly dying from nothing. And there's pretty much starvation coming because chicken flu or whatever, you know, bird flu. They're killing chickens in America. burning sort of lots of factories they're slaughtering cows everywhere they adding this bugs in our food which actually they're coating the heat in is very bad for your insides and it causes your immune system to shut down so you can have a lovely protein but that would kill you and

wars is allowing you know that our lovely European health organization is now allowed to add bags to any food in Europe yeah any food and that includes locusts cockroaches worms and crickets so enjoy and I'm But why are they doing it? What's the end game? Well, I mean, the less of us around, the better for them, you know, because it's one world government. It's, of course, a lot easier to govern less people.

Definitely a lot less older people. I would say we just don't know how far this vaccine goes. If you've seen it all, even a normal Instagram, when they show COVID babies who are two days old can hold their head, who at two months can sit, who is to say that those children won't grow up very fast and then drop dead at the age of 50 once they've exceeded their usefulness. and without paying them any pension, they grow up like they do with wheat now, which grows in two months, have no vitamins, no nothing inside of it, you eat it, it gives you nothing at all, and, you know, so who's to know? This is the scary part, this is what scares the most, that people are so not aware, they agree to something that they agree to something that, is unknown. Wow. You can kind of sense that she just doesn't have much of an outlet, perhaps, with the people around her, so that when she meets someone like Annie, she just has to fucking unload, like she just, you know, backing the truck up and just letting, letting everything out,

because it's like, yeah, no, my family would not be listening at this point. Yeah, she mustered something. I didn't hear it while I was talking to her, but I heard it when I was, like, playing the interview back, which I'm really annoyed about. She kind of muttered something about the Antichrist just at the very end of the Four Horseman bit. And I kind of wish I'd, I just didn't hear it in all the noise, but I wish I'd picked up on it. Well, perhaps she's seen Kevin Sorboe's latest film left behind too, Rise of the Antichrist. Yeah. Well, it's funny you should say that, Jake, because I did actually ask her where she'd first heard about all of this. And first she said something about how her husband had been pro-Trump. So that had kind of first got her into this

kind of conspiracy world but then as she was she was kind of mulling it over in her head she said that she'd actually kind of got held earlier when she'd seen a film called regression which I had never heard of before but it's starring Ethan Hawke and Emma Watson and it's about a girl who made false claims of satanic ritual abuse the woman's recollection was like kind of garbled but it seems that she saw the film claimed it was inspired by true events decided that the real girl that the film was based on was actually telling the truth and the film was created to further persecute her. Oh, my God.

Even though I did actually look up the film and it's not based on a true story. It's just kind of doing a kind of, you know, this is the kind of thing that was happening in the satanic panic. But yeah, I'd never heard of the movie before. But it was interesting how an artwork designed to critique the satanic panic could actually have the exact opposite effect for at least one person who watched it. Emma Watson, Ethan Hawk, David Thulis? Yeah, right?

I mean, this looks like a good cast. I will check this. Aaron Ashmore? I will check this out. I will check this out. And get a pill. Didn't do very well. 15 million budget, 17.7 million at the box office.

All right, okay. So how does it feel then being, because this must be like a really big protest compared to what you're used to. How does it feel? Here. Yeah. Like, I mean, I love it. And I don't have any problem with police.

I just take them as my protectors. and actually validate us as well because they are here it makes us more important because they look they're all around us that means we are you know

worth caring for or worry about it or something one of those and but my friend is very disappointed because she thought there's going to be a lot more younger people students and stuff sorry you know

and there's hardly any and she says we've kind of lived half of our life and the fact that it's younger people who should worry more about what's going on and they're not. And they're laughing at the side of the road, pointing fingers at us.

It's not giving us much hope, really. That's really interesting. Why do you think that is? Why aren't young people as drawn to the movement as others? Exactly. the same reason. They've been taught from a very young age that wisdom is nothing, experience is nothing, your parents don't understand you, they are too old, they don't know, they have no idea

how you feel or what you think, they are the last people you should consult and this is what we have because those young people feel very unrelated to us. 10 to 20 years difference and I think you're nearly dead and it's absolutely nothing in your head that could possibly benefit them in any way. Damn, this is kind of sad. I mean, young people are saying stuff. You just don't like that stuff. Why aren't they agreeing with me?

They're being loud about other stuff that I hate. Yeah, but you can also definitely like the palpable, you know, younger family members and friends just laughing at you and being like, no, I don't want to hear anything because everything you're saying is out there, completely out there. And it's like, what ancient wisdom? Like, this shit's fucking, like, you've spent too much time on telegram. Like, this is not wisdom of the ages. No, I think that's exactly right. I don't know. Yeah, there just seems to be something so much going on there about like this kind of, yeah, anxiety around new technologies, modernity, youth. You know.

just, yeah, this kind of fear of being kind of outpaced, of being, yeah, out-evolved somehow, I think, like, seems really central to a lot of the way people talk about the great reset. My next interview was with an older guy wearing glasses, carrying a sign that read, you create government, it is not your master, you are sovereign. We talked a little bit about his sign and what it meant, and then we got onto the topic of what he saw 15-minute cities looking like. He was clearly a well-read guy and had a very poetic way of speaking, which I thought illustrated some of the anxieties of the movement quite well.

Where do you see this going, the 15-minute city? What's the next step, do you think? Well, you see, 15-minute cities, they start with the digital IDs and the face recognition, that sort of thing. And then the restrictions become more and more. It could end up really serious if we don't stop it now. And Oxford is a sort of pioneer city in this, and Canterbury, I think, is coming along next.

I'm from Bristol, as one of the 100 or so councils that signed up to it. They're all going to follow suit. Unless we stop this, they're all going to follow suit. This is all associated with things like the central bank digital currency, digital IDs, chipping, all this sort of thing. It's dehumanising us. We're human living beings, and this is dehumanizing us. It's treating us as some sort of robots or zombies. Why do they, what's the end goal for them?

Why do they want to keep us controlled and surveilled and all the rest of it? greed, greed for power, greed for wealth, and basically attachment to ego, their own ego. This is something we're all subject to, I'm subject to the same, but I hope I won't get into the situation trying to clamp down on people, but we're all subject to our egos, and they've got rather too greedy over the last three years, and everything is coming to light. If they continued nicking from us and stealing us, mistreating us in the same way, we'd probably gone along with it, but because they've become a little bit too greedy, people are waking up and think, we're not having us.

yeah he agrees that's great is there anything else you wanted to say may all beings be at ease may all beings be at ease that's lovely where's it from Buddhism Buddhist

the Meta Sutter loving kindness and I have the loving kindness for the elite who are trying to have voices on us because it's not going to do them any good in the long run because it's all based on attachment to their own self and their own interests it's going to harm them eventually as well

I like that that's very zen It was such an interesting conversation. He was like, I guess the only person I'd spoken to who, I guess, like, was sort of trying in some sense to relate to the elites he was talking about when he was like, well, it won't do them any good because they're just too attached to their own ego and stuff like that. I don't know. It just seemed quite sweet to me. Yeah, it is. I mean, yeah, he's not wrong, but he's wrong. Yeah.

As we cross Magdalene Bridge, I noticed a woman using a loud speaker to amiably jeer at the police. on horses accompanying us. The Freedom Movement has a pretty interesting relationship with the police I've noticed. I think as a movement mostly made up of middle-class right-leaning people, they instinctively feel like the police should be on their side. This can mean that they act strangely offended when they get police like any other protest would. And of course I know your retirement age has gone up, wasn't it? Because they've spent all your pension money.

That's why they're trying to coerce you to have those jabs so most of you die and don't reach pension age. Make sure you'll everyone know. Because we'd like the police to be around to protect us and to arrest the real criminals like Rishi Sunak, Boris Johnson, Matt Hancock, the list goes on and on. Hopefully they'll now tell all their colleagues about this insanity because it's going to affect them to unless they have an exemption. Who's going to have an exemption to this nonsense?

Nurses, ambulance staff, people who really need to get to work. Or will no one? Will just the police have an exemption? Or are the police going to be fined $150 a week to get to work if they work five days a week? Oh, some of the police's eyes are going like that. Were they not aware of this? Yeah.

We headed round the plain roundabout and up Cowley Road. We were, by now, heading out of the city centre and towards the residential area. We stopped outside a cafe. I couldn't figure out what had stopped us at first, but it turned out everyone was looking at a massive billboard. attached to the building, which read, Destruction of the Cowley Road by Oxfordshire City Council. Welcome to the Cowley Road,

Oxford's most diverse and unique road, home to the largest group of independent businesses in the country. It is here that Oxfordshire County Council decided to roll out their ill-thought-out traffic experiment, undemocratically installing LTN's road closures and removing car parking in May 2022. Next to come, the final nail in the coffin,

boss gates, and the complete segregation of Oxford. The county council is pretending to listen, but this is shamefully a complete and utter lie. 1984? Sensored. After 26 years of displaying signs here, Oxford City Council have demanded we remove this one.

We wonder why. So much for democracy. Wow, it's a lot. I know. Aside from the hyperbolic language about democracy, which is common enough in local politics disputes. There was essentially nothing to suggest that this fracas had anything to do with conspiracy politics.

And yet, the first words of the mild set of almost everyone I'd spoken to had been a dark prophecy featuring mass imprisonment, enslavement, and even death. It was difficult to get a handle on. Continuing the tradition of haranguing the police via loudspeaker, a man with a white beard had taken the mic. You need to get a message out of people. These police are not in the house anymore. They have proven over the last three years that they're not here for us.

They're only there to protect the criminals of the government. And as you know, you will not see this on the TV. You will not see this on the BBC. But we need the truth to get out. And us lovely kind souls will get the truth out. And we will not let this tyranny get the truth out. and we will not let this tyranny get the better of us. Yes!

Can't keep it going on a lot of a hundred speaker, am I? After everyone had a good old stare at the sign, we got moving again. I got talking to a middle-aged guy wearing glasses and a polo shirt about something called brick coin. Now, as I was talking to you guys about before, brick coin is a genuine thing, at least like so many of the concept that conspiracy theory is seen. and then elaborate on and evolve. A central bank digital currency of the same name has been proposed. But yeah, as I was saying right now,

it seems like one of those things that people kind of corner of all agree is innovative and technological and exciting, but nobody can actually come up with a reason for why it would be useful. Unsurprisingly, though, my interviewee painted a very dark picture of where it was all heading. The brick coin was conception by Rishi Sunak, conspired by his father, who's the Bill Gates of India so he's implemented this and if you click on that QR code it takes you to the government

website telling you about how they're implementing this it will first hit public sector workers because obviously they're on strike now so in two years time they'll be given a rise by brick coin it will then go into the private sector and everyone will be dictated to by this about part of their salary being involved in having a digital currency that will be programmable so it'll be controlled by the Bank of England, ultimately controlled by the government. So it's not like crypto at the moment where you control it. It'll be crypto controlled by a central bank digital currency. So that's what that is.

And all you've got to do is if you take a picture of that QR code, it will take you straight to the government website, and you can read all of this. It tells you about all the restrictions. They're claiming it's not programmable, but they can just flick a switch overnight, which means that it will do. So if you want to go and buy four bottles of wine instead, instead of three, you're over your quota. They'll stop you from buying it. You want to go outside your zone. They will stop you from buying stuff outside your cell unit on a 15-minute city.

So ultimately, what they'll intend to do is control your spending. Okay, you can say it will control the health, but why should you? They'll restrict you in terms of flight, travel, and going into any kind of retail unit outside your unit so you can spend your hard-eared money which you'll be digital. So it's all about ultimately about control so this is what this is all coming into. So you've got your 15 minute city which is about smart cities

they'll monitor your surveillance, facial recognition. They've already got it in supermarkets now anyway but that's just to protect them and not to protect you. I would just say just push against it you know cash is king use cash wherever you can if it demands that

they want you to use a card just say I'm sorry we're not paying that way we went into a restaurant in London at one of the protests and we had £100 worth of money spent and they said we've got to pay by car and we said we haven't got it

we've got cash the manager had to take cash and spend it on his account to pay for our meal so cash is king don't allow it don't allow digital ID either that's another message

that you can talk about so you see it's all connected the digital ID the 15 minute cities the brick coin yeah brick coin digital cities sorry digital 15 minute cities

digital ID climate control that's all about climate and about you know it's all about the climate it's all connected if you don't if you don't sort of realise now

and just think it's the best for the future because it's all about health, education, work, play, it's not. It's about them controlling you. You know, you look at what's happening in the news. We've had immigration, illegal immigration, happening in this country for the last 15, 20 years. It's only come to light now where the media

are pushing it on the TV to make people divisive, you know, spread division so they can implement this digital idea. And it's not about putting it on your phone and everybody having smartphones it's about having photo ID having a QR code on this photo ID which would link you to a central processing system

where anything can happen you know they can stop your credit they can stop your banking I mean they already did it in Canada when the truckers went through they stopped all their salaries so it's not just a case of you not having any money it's about you not having any control and that's what it is really

if we don't stand up now for the future people will just be acceptance of it. And it will be like China. We will have prisons. You've got to do it now. Stop now. You never will. It is incredible that we've kind of reached a point where their messaging makes some,

like the Occupy messaging seem like very coherent and unified. They're just all over the place at this point. It's not really clear what they're angry about, just bouncing from idea to idea. Yeah. We were just finishing up speaking when the crowd stopped again, this time at a suburban Nandoz, where Pearce Corbin appeared out of nowhere and began giving an impromptu speech. I've seen Pierce Corbin at so many of these events now that I've become paradoxically quite fond of him and his insistence on sticking with completely inaudible

loudspeaker equipment. Peers had a big announcement to make. All right. A stupid person is someone who believes that in order to be able to travel to a shop within 15 minutes, all the cars in the neighbourhood have to be prevented from leaving the area three, five times a week. Now that is insanity, but this is what these people believe. This is what antifa, stop oil and all that nonsense they believe. They're actually deranged, but you know, it needs you to tell them. And the answer to it all is we press on with a united front across the country against all zoning, all the zone. All the Zonies, all the 15 minutes, all the CAZs, all of them, absolutely all of them, and we can win. Because in London, I'm sure we can win.

There's so much opposition now, we can. Break you, Les, and break Sadiq Khan. And then, next year, there's going to be an election, May 24, and I will stand for, I will stand for a mayor of London, Senate cards, next year! Yay! Thank you. Ah, finally a Corbyn who will exceed to power and maybe make use of it.

Yeah, good on him. Yeah, he should run London. The thing is, he ran last mayor elections as well. But maybe he was, yeah, I think maybe he felt that, because both him and Lawrence Fox both ran as anti-lockdown candidates, so maybe he felt that Fox was kind of splitting the vote there. Yeah, Hunter stole my election. Classic hunter antics. Yeah, classic. The next guy I spoke to was a real character, probably the image that shows up in your head when you hear the word

conspiracy theorist. He looked to be in his 60s, wore a wide-brimmed hat and had a grey ponytail. He was stood with a woman, I'm guessing his partner, who had long, bright red hair. He carried a sign that said, 15-minute cities, I thought it was a fake alien invasion next. Okay. Just as he agreed to an interview with me, a woman with grey hair and her friend both popped up, asking if I could interview them too, since they were local. While being pursued for an interview was the emotional boost I needed after my string of rejections earlier.

I was struggling, suddenly trying to talk to four people at once. I asked if I could come and find them afterwards. Oh, I was just doing an interview, yeah. Can I get to you first? Next? I just want to ask about... I'm from Norwich. Okay, we're going to go.

We're going to find the rest of that crew. Oh, okay. Well, I'll try and catch up with you. So, your sign says 15-minute cities. I thought it was a fake alien invasion next. Yes, that's correct. Well, you see, in the last four weeks, the Americans have shot down more UFOs

than they have in the last 40 years. So it might be a distraction. The 15-minute cities might be a distraction. Project Bluebeam, look that one up. What's Project Blue Boom? That's the fake alien invasion that the CIA have been planning for the last 40 years. Oh, with the balloons? That's a little faky thing, just...

Oh, okay. We've come up from Eastbourne. Eastbourne? She's up down south. Nice, yeah. So is a 15-minute city being planned by your council? Not that they've told us, but no, he never expects her. No, all they do is they just turn all our hotels into migrant hostels.

we've had 14 hotels on our seafront turned into migrant hostels I've had to close my antique business because I rely on tourists So we've all got our issues and problems Is that connected do you think I'm migrants with the 50? Yes the whole things are connected

The aliens, the 15 minute cities The COVID The war Talk me through it then how is it connected What's the Well they're trying to do a deep population. Yeah.

The New World Order, One World Government. There's Georgia Guidestones in America suggested to keep, they put ten rules for mankind. The first one was to maintain world population at 500 million or less. There's about eight and a half billion at the moment, so a few of us have got to disappear. And I don't think they're going to ship us off to the moon, even though the aliens are involved. So these things are all connected. They don't look like they're connected, but they are. It's all part of Agenda 2030, New World Order, Control, depopulation.

Where should somebody go if they want to learn more about this? Oh, internet. Look carefully. And you'll find. And if you ever see a guy called Anonogu making comments, that's me. I'm quite well known. Thank you. Anonacue.

Anana cue. Okay. That is like the weird, like alternate dimension version of the podcast Twitter account. Oh, man. Yeah, this guy's good. He's good and cooked. The internet. He's found a way to connect.

Internet. Where do you go? Internet, of course. That's where you find out. They should have never given us the Internet. They really, they really shouldn't. Online gaming, okay. Social media, no good email I could even do away with as well.

You are not. Some people probably not, but who likes checking their emails? Only psychopaths do. Yeah. Good point. You're trying to take the podcast down. I mean, we are internet. Huh?

This is internet. No, we're not. This is people listening. They're on internet. We're here. We're in a room together. We're not on the internet. The bandwidth is low.

We're both logged into this room. Yeah. and I'm posting at you No Yes I ban you now I can't hear you your connection is not great You can't hear me because you're banned You're locked out of the forum

As we wrapped up that interview I set off in pursuit of the two women As far as I could tell I hadn't actually spoken to anyone from Oxford itself yet So I was really keen to talk to them The crowd seemed to be thinning now We'd walked about a mile and a half out of town And seemed to be heading through relatively empty suburban streets

It seemed like the energy was dissipating. I managed to catch up with the two women who'd approached me. So your sign says no traffic filters, don't divide Oxford. Keep Oxford free, no to 15-minute cities. And you just told me that you're both actually from Oxford, which I think would be a first for people I've interviewed. So, yeah, please do tell me about what 15-minute cities mean to you as local. Well, at the moment we haven't really got 15.

I'll tell you about the LTNs. What they're going to do is that they say that they're going to go to... Bus filters, which is bus gates on these connection roads. We only got five, six connecting to city centre. And then people come all over Oxo Shire to work in city centre. And we are saying no bus gate. That is a 15-minute city because they want to lock us down here. You can only drive in this area, but we can't because bullets are there.

And if you can see, all up this entire road, do you know Oxford? No. No, all up this entire road, there's a bollard, well, an LTN, basically, no traffic, even, all the way up. All the way up to the ring road and all the way up to a little more. So you cannot get through from another, there's another main artery there, Ifley Road and Cowley Road. You cannot get through. So, I mean, it's gridlock. At certain times, particularly the Russia, it's absolute gridlock here.

You can't drive into side roads. So this road is jammed, especially school time and in the morning. And buses are late. People are standing on bus stops for 45 minutes. I mean, sometimes I have to get off the bus and just walk to town. And taxi drivers live in this area. BME community live in this area. Working class community live in this area.

This is like the working class area in Oxford. There's so many. They're all over, Cowley and East Oxford. The posh side, North Oxford, Summertown, nothing, nothing. It quickly became clear to me that these women were not like my other interviews. They had very little interest in overarching conspiracy theories about the WEF or Klaus Schwab's grand plans for world domination. They genuinely were just opposed to low traffic neighbourhoods and the proposed traffic filter scheme. The older woman said she worked as a mobile hairdresser and needed to drive all over the city as part of her job

and was worried that the filters would make her life harder. I decided to ask them how they felt about the supporters their cause had attracted from all over the country. They seemed a little nonplussed. It must be nice then a feeling that there's been like, you know, people have come from so far. way to date to help you protest um well yes it is good i yeah it's great i mean they've all got different agendas haven't they like anti-covid and all that i mean i've had my jabs but i've had covid as well but probably those you've had your jabs i've had my jabs yeah so i'm not anti-cova we're not anti-covid our group it's just it's just this is the issue yeah yeah

there's no other agenda in our group at all but i can understand people have their different I don't often mention it in interviews because some people don't want to talk to you if you say your jab Oh don't they Well if you say your jabby What can you say? When I spoke to people here

I have said Oh I've said all the anti-cobos I said oh well I've had my jabs You know I mean it's up to me It's a personal thing really Whether you have it or not So But I can't believe they wouldn't speak to you

I know But does that worry you then That like I don't know If people are coming with their agendas Then does that make it easier for the council Just to go oh it's all just You know conspiracy theories Well of past

People will jump on the bandwagon And say that because they're kind of Yeah I mean people are going to say that But that's why I made all these banners saying Oxford So we are the Oxford Anti-LTN group And all these things Because I didn't want to be lumped in

With all the other people You know I mean Why are these horses are there? Oh, are they expecting to travel? I don't know. And then you have all these awful people that put things online saying they're going to be, I don't know, anti-fascists. Did they show up?

I don't think I saw them. I think they had another demo in Bonne Square, actually. I don't know who they were, but it didn't stop me coming. I thought, I'm just going to go anyway. You know what I mean to. Oh, most of these people are quite nice people. They don't want trouble, do they? They just got their thing.

You know, I think they said the anti-fascist anarchists or, you know, you're going to say, you wear a mask. You're up to no good, aren't you, basically? So we're just nice, decent people that just want to get rid of the HLTA. Yeah, that's very interesting. They're like, well, we still weathered, like, the idea that anti-fascists might be here, which is scary to us as normal people who aren't conspiracy theorists, because that's just, you know, mainstream news. Yeah, no, completely. I mean, yeah, it just seemed like such a strange thing to happen for these poor women who just, yeah, were just opposed to this one local traffic scheme. So suddenly now they were just swept up in this culture war world of like COVID and antifa and all the rest of it.

I like that even pro-vax people are like, I've had my jabs, the jab. Very funny way to put it. Yeah, I think jabs is just like a, it's a non, it's a neutral word here in the UK. I guess it does sound a bit violent. Yeah, no one in the States is like using the word jab unless they're talking about how it's going to give you Bill Gates' disease. Oh, really? Yeah, that's interesting. We wandered up to the green where the march had ended,

but it was clearly thinning out fast. A band was playing, and the remaining protesters were gathered to watch, but most people were peeling off pretty quickly to brave the not insubstantial walk back to town. I guess since so few protesters were actually local that, just like me, they all had trains to catch. So I packed up my mic and started walking back too. On the way, I noticed a brief altercation between a couple of young people, who I'm guessing have been part of the anti-fascist demo

because they were carrying signs, and a few women in their 40s carrying anti-15-minute city placards. One of the young people started shouting at them, something like, I'm Muslim and I'm queer and I'm here to stay, kind of stuff. The women looked pretty bemused. We don't care, we're not protesting about that. One of them yelled back at him. As I walked past, I heard one of them muttered to the other one something about how,

quote, he wouldn't be allowed to carry on like that in a Muslim country. It occurred to me just how difficult it was to pin down the exact politics of the anti-Great reset movement. It was clearly conservative, but didn't fit into the neat, obviously far-right nationalist tendency of groups like Patriotic Alternative and the Heritage Party. A few people had independently brought up migrants to me, but often with quite different perspectives, and yet it was clear that those far-right groups saw an opportunity here, which is why they kept showing up, intermingling with protesters and organizers alike. So while there are two political tendencies that

are distinct, there's an unmistakable overlap there that the far right are definitely looking to exploit. I've seen some left-wing people get a little excited about how much resistance the movement presents towards capitalist organisations like the World Economic Forum, and yet, when you talk to people on the ground, it feels like it would be outright twisting their words to try and and say they're making a critique of neoliberalism. If anything, their main objection to the WEF is that it's not capitalist enough, that the absolute freedom of the sovereign individual

should be paramount to all other societal needs and concerns. Even if they mix in some complaints about unelected billionaires, it feels to me that's a pretty sincere reason I saw so many signs calling the WEF communist and Soviet. Another thing I've been thinking about a lot since attending that protest is the intertwining of conspiracy theory

in ordinary politics. When I was covering the anti-lockdown movement, I remember having to stress continually at the time that, of course, opposing lockdown doesn't make you a conspiracy theorist, and there's lots of non-conspiratorial reasons to oppose those measures. I find myself having to do the same for opposing 15-minute cities, U-LES, low-traffic neighbourhoods, and traffic filters. There's obviously plenty of people who hold those positions, who it would be unfair to dismiss as illegitimate, as my final interviewer demonstrated.

Having said that, I don't think you could attend the same protest as me. all the conversations I've had and avoid the conclusion that conspiracy theories are very definitely what's driving the momentum behind this on-the-ground resistance. If the protest in Oxford had been solely made up of locals like those two women, it probably would have consisted of a few dozen people at most. Instead, it attracted around 2,000 from all over the country. And that's because the majority there weren't protesting local traffic filters at all, but a global science fiction dystopia they're convinced us right round the corner. This all sound provocative, but it suggests to me there's a kind of reckless laziness

on the part of some mainstream conservative politicians and pundits who oppose these policies. They don't even really need to argue their case properly anymore, because they can just rely on sly nods in the direction of the Great Reset and know that they'll receive a huge groundswell of grassroots support for their position. I think this final point is what frightens me the most about the self-described freedom movement, though, which is that ultimately it all comes down to climate denial. And if you lose all the silly science fiction stuff about microchips and transhumanism and enforce 15-minute zones, it seems to me that the central anxiety at the heart of the movement is ultimately correct.

The challenges of climate change do actually demand sacrifices from middle to upper-class Westerners. As a society, we fundamentally cannot keep consuming at the same rate that we always have and expect the planet to just keep ticking along nicely. The worst part is we've barely even seen that demand be made by anyone with real power, Maybe we never will, but it's clear that the UK has an already mobilized resistance movement ready to respond fiercely to even the mildest leaning in that direction. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Q&ONANANANIS podcast. You can go to patreon.com slash Q&ONANANANIS and sign up to get access to a premium

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Hello, it's been a long time since I've done a bit of a rant, but I'm in the mood for a rant. So, these 15-minute cities, these 15-minute cities, these 15, minute cities. I'm flabbergasted and people can't see this shit. I really am. This, people do not get out of their slumber soon. Their children and their grandchildren are seriously in a digital slavery system. We're already slaves as it is.

The test run was given during the shit show of 2020. It was bloody obvious to a lot of us and we tried our best to wait people up. Now we're going to have to be clever with this because there's too many people that are stuck watching Gogglebox Corrie totally disconnected to their own soul to not see the fact that they are being, it's like the fucking pipe piper in it.