QAA Podcast - Episode 234: Jacob Chansley, America’s Shaman

Episode Date: June 11, 2023

We spoke with the most visible J6er — known colloquially as the “QAnon Shaman”. He was distinct from the rest of the rioters thanks to his horned headdress, painted face, booming voice, extensive tattoos, and spear. Before he became world famous he participated in QAnon events, which made him an occasional feature of this show. On May 25th, Chansley was released after serving time in federal prison and a halfway house for the crime of obstructing an official proceeding. On today’s episode, we’re going to talk about Chansley's big comeback and what was said when he spoke in person at a church in Scottsdale, Arizona — an event which Travis attended. Then we’re going to play clips from our interview with Jacob Chansley. He discussed his childhood, how he acquired his pluralistic religious worldview, his experiences in prison, and his plans for the future. Subscribe for $5 a month to get an extra episode of QAA every week + access to ongoing series like 'Manclan' and 'Trickle Down': http://www.patreon.com/QAnonAnonymous QAA's Website: https://qanonanonymous.com Editing by Corey Klotz. References https://fronterasdesk.org/content/1848352/scottsdale-church-we-did-not-host-qanon-shaman-event https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39012/the-navy-finally-speaks-up-about-its-bizarre-ufo-patent-experiments

What's up QAA listeners? The fun games have begun. I found a way to connect to the internet. I'm sorry, boy. Welcome listener to chapter 234 of the Q&ONANANANANANN anonymous podcast, the Jacob Chansley, America's Shaman episode. As always, we are your host, Jake Rakatansky, Julian Fields, and Travis Vue. If you only know one participant in the January 6 riots, it's probably the QAnon Shaman,

a.k.a. Jacob Chansley. He was pretty distinct from the rest of the rioters, thanks to his horned headdress, painted face, booming voice, extensive tattoos, and spear. And before he became world famous, he participated in QAnon events, which made him an occasional feature of this show. On May 25th, Chansley was released after serving 18 months in federal prison and a halfway house for the crime of obstructing an official proceeding. On today's episode, we're going to talk about how Chansley is making a big comeback. Travis attended an event in Scottsdale, Arizona, where he got to see Chansley speak extensively, and he's also taken a look at his very new and very shiny website. So that's what we'll be getting into. Additionally,

we also got the chance to speak to Jacob Chansley directly, so towards the end, you'll be hearing from him in his own words. Yet again, I had traveled to Arizona. I had other plans for Memorial Day weekend. I'll say that. But the day before, Karma, friend of the show, hit me up and let me know about this event. I was like, God damn it, I got to go to this. So I enthusiastically made yet another trip to Arizona. And I really think I'm going to have to crown Arizona as the Q&ON capital in the world. I used to say that like the two main states where there's a big Q&N presence is Florida and Arizona. But man, Arizona's really pulling ahead. Imagine how fucked you have to be to beat Florida out on this one. Holy hell, Arizona. You're not even that wet. You're doing

this dry. You're doing this dry. What the hell is wrong with you? Yeah, you're doing a dry run. And also, on a side note, listeners, this is how much Travis View loves you and potentially hates himself, is that he is willing to give up, you know, a memorial date, maybe a barbecue, maybe, maybe time with his family to travel to the driest, the driest piece of gravel on U.S. soil and bring you this exclusive content. Yeah, now he has athletes' foot. He's got a rash on his butt. His dick don't work. So the popularity of Q&ON in Arizona can also be seen in that state's legislature. So recently, Republicans in Arizona set up a committee called the novel coronavirus Southwestern Intergovernmental Committee.

Now, very strange name. Wait, why do they call it novel coronavirus instead of COVID-19? Why do they call it Southwestern instead of just, you know, Arizona? Why intergovernmental? This is all very strange ways to sort of phrase this committee. So the point of the committee is purportedly to examine federal, state, and local efforts to mitigate the COVID-19 pandemic. But in practice, it seems like it's like another attempt to legitimize baseless conspiracy

theories. A lot of people familiar with QAnon, no. Notice that the committee's acronym is N-C-S-W-I-C, and that also happens to be the acronym for a popular Q-N-L phrase, Nothing Can Stop What is Coming. Yeah, not the most elegant, hard to say, you know, as an acronym, not quite like a kind of MAGA or something like that, but it is 100% stuck in my head now ever since I knew we were going to talk about this because there, you know, there's that famous J.T. Wilde song, you know, Nothing can stop what is coming. Nothing can stop.

In responding to the claim that the committee is using a Q-Anon phrase, the state senator Janay Shamp, who organized the committee, tweeted, quote, what a goofy accusation. Sometimes an acronym is just an acronym. Her name is Shamp, like S-H-A-M-P. That's right. What a weird name. Sometimes a name is just a name, too, I guess. Yeah.

The Arizona State Senate GOP spokesperson Kim Quintero called the line of questioning about Q&N absolutely ridiculous and BS. However, the people at Media Matters for America decided to dig into the social media history of state Senator Shamp. And what they found is that she has repeatedly used the phrase, nothing can stop what is coming in Facebook posts. For example, she shared a graphic that says Trump 20201, nothing can stop what is coming. That's not the only Q&N phrase she used. She also posted the where we go one, we go all. In addition to that, she's familiar with the work of some of the most popular QAnon influencers. Shamp has repeatedly shared content that source to pragmatic. She's shared election denial content that she attributed

to QAnon influencer Stormy Patriot Joe. She shared a quote that she attributed to Q&on influencer Jordan Saither. Anne Shamp shared election denial content that she attributed to Q&on influencer inevitable ET. So given all that, it's fair to say that her claims of ignorance or outrage that this was a Q&O phrase that she was using is a bit disingenuous. I'm waiting for this to become a trend. I mean, try naming your company with the acronym WWG-1 WGA. I mean, I don't even know. I guess you could do like worldwide group one with good analysis, maybe. I don't know.

I hope I didn't give anybody any ideas. State Senator Shamp full of shit. Shirley Shorty will be sharing better. You know, it's like a mirror, a front page of the mirror kind of thing. You can finish it. Yeah. Yeah. And when they call it BS, they mean, uh, Big Storm.

That's the acronym. That's the acronym for BS. Yeah, you're, you're really doing, uh, some real innovation and parasocial podcasting. You do half a joke and you assume that the listener will just pick up on the rest of it. That's incredibly generous to call that half a joke. Thank you, Travis. Finally getting some recognition from you. Yeah.

After, after, after four years, you know, it's like being in a relationship with somebody. The, the listeners are finishing Julian's jokes by, you know, by themselves. The whole point is to get. worse at this until the tension is unbearable. Yeah, just like QAnon, just like QAnon. Yes. It gets worse. We get worse. Now, she is not the only Arizona State Senator to endorse or promote Q&ON as Alex Kaplan has documented. She's actually one of four people to do so in the 30-seat Senate chamber, which means that more than 10% of the Arizona State Senate has promoted Q&N. Good for them. My favorite historical parallel to Q&N is the anti-Masonic party of the 1820s and 1830s.

And I've often pointed out, like, at their peak, despite the fact that they were kind of a bonkers, conspiracies party who thought the Freemasons were on the verge of taking over America, they controlled 10% of the House of Representatives at the peak of their power. So it seems as though that the Arizona legislature is about as reactionary and as pilled as U.S. Congress was in the 1830s. That's just great, man. That's just great. Just going in circles. Yeah. Arizona is QAnon country. so it's not surprising that Arizona's home to Jacob Chansley. I was thinking about the journey that we've gone on in encountering the QAnon Shaman,

and I think the first time that we encountered him was at the Save the Children March in L.A. in July of 2020, that's nearly three whole years ago. This is where Julian conducted possibly the first ever media interview with Jacob Chansley. And back in those days, he was hitting all the classic themes like elites drinking children's blood. All right, and they get off on drinking children's blood, on molesting children and shit. They are as twisted as it gets. All you have to do is look into the archons

and the way that that gets into like Gnostic Christian and stuff like that. And we've been fighting these things for thousands of years, you guys, and we're kicking them off the fucking planet right here, right now. We're making history. This shit is biblical. Exactly right. Thank you.

I've seen you in somebody else's video. You were singing and chant. That's right. No, he was a man of the people. leave him back then. We bumped into him again when he attended QCon in Scottsdale, Arizona, and then we ran to him again when he was at the Stop the Steel protest at the Maricopa County tabulation center right after the 2020 election. And then, of course, a precious boy became world famous after he participated in the January 6th riots. He became like just a symbol of the absurdity

of the day, and he was more visible than even people who are more dangerous and more responsible for the Capitol right, like the Oathkeepers and the proud boys or even like Ali Alexander and stuff. He became such, you know, a visible symbol of Jan 6 that one of my parents' friends, who's an incredible artist, made like an oil painting of him that is hung in their house. That's crazy. Wow. Jake, Jake giving you the latest news and what his parents' friends are doing. This is Jake Rockatansky with Breaking News. A guy at my synagogue gave COVID to my dad.

story is developing. And I'll be back to report later. This is Jake Rockatansky. Back to you, Travis. Back to you, Jake. Back to you, Travis. Back to you. So Jacob Chansley even has his own Wikipedia page. And I checked when it was made. It was January 7th. That was his reward for participating in January 6th. His own Wikipedia page. And today that Wikipedia entry is 2,400 words long, includes section subheadlined career, activism, views, and popular culture. Well, as we know, he can be Schmeagle, or he can be an old lady. Schmeagle, my precious. See, the problem with Jake is that Jake is so much like Jacob that he's actually just going on his own. He's doing his own voice acting real now.

No, I heard a bad impression of Gallum, and I came to the rescue with a better impression. Exactly. You have Jacob Chansley Brain. Like Jake mentions, he just sort of became part of pop culture. He was portrayed in a lot of media. films and television that were about QAnon or January 6th. He was portrayed in a 20-21 episode of South Park about the COVID pandemic. He's also portrayed in the first episode of Season 15 of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

He was also in the film Reno 9-1-1, The Hunt for QAnon. And in that one, he's portrayed as this hulking goon that the crew of Reno 911 has to do battle with. I mean, if you haven't seen it, it's a pretty fun. It's a silly movie. It doesn't take itself too seriously. It seems like it would be more fun if you're a little high because it's, you know, it's wild and kind of unpredictable.

I've seen him actually at another piece of media on Twitter. It was a guy sitting on a sex toy dressed as him and furiously jacking off. So this guy was spinning off into like sex parodies immediately for like only fan guys. And actually Alison Steinberg, who was also at this very first rally where I interviewed the Q Shaman, she ended up on OAN now. So she is presenting there. and she had a sexy Q-Shaman get-up for Halloween. So, I mean, it is absolutely an indelible moment in American history. Like, I don't even doubt that there will be history books where the Jan 6th's

insurrection will be shown in a photo, and that photo will be one that includes him. It has to. Yeah. Shamanism is back in America, baby. We're back and we're shamans now. I didn't pick that build for Diablo. I went with the barbarian because I like the idea that you can switch weapons, so. But maybe I'll do another play-through as a shaman. Oh, I thought Jake's brain was finally just breaking.

Like, he was just talking about a video game, non-sequitur. Incredible. I really did think you were having a minor stroke there. So it wasn't just a U.S. thing, his fame, you know, because there are international copies of Jacob Chansley's get-up. For example, there was a Brazilian shaman and a basic same premise except in Brazilian colors. And there was a Canadian shaman. And this one was during the trucker protest. The guy was basically wearing like half of his face painted red.

So, you know, he's spotting little, you know, shaman's all over the world, multiple continents. People also dress up as the Q&A shaman for Halloween. And this led to one incident last year in the Pinnacle Classical Academy in Shelby, North Carolina. So an 11-year-old student at that school dressed as a shaman, including face paint, a horned headdress, and a homemade podium. So that student reportedly won first place in his age group for best costumes. So his fellow students were very, very impressed. Very funny. But obviously, also led to a lot of outrage.

Brandon says, Tonight, one of my students won first place in his age group for the best costume. He's a free thinker with his own opinions and beliefs. Every child deserves the same opportunity. What the fuck? Oh, my God. He's like got the podium stuck to him. Yeah, yeah.

He's got the podium. He's got the podium stuck to him. This is fucked. This is so cursed. Holy hell. Of course, Jacob Chansley also became a, poster boy for what someone the right believed was the unjust treatment of the people who were in the Capitol that day. Tucker Carlson, before he was fired by Fox News, he used his program

to air previously unseen footage of Jacob Chansley roaming inside the Capitol, and he used the footage to argue that the Capitol Right was not actually as violent as it was betrayed in the media. This basically tried to advance the false narrative that the writers were just harmless tourists. And this segment led to claims that Chansley was released from prison early because of it, but that's not true. According to Albert Watkins, who was a chancellor's lawyer, his release was based solely on the decision of the Bureau of Prisons, which was based on the plea agreement, sentence, and the protocols of the Bureau of Prisons.

There was just a good behavior early release thing. I mean, keep in mind, Albert Watkins, this was the same guy who said short bus in reference to Jake, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was not very complimentary of Jake. I'll say that. Yeah, that lawyer was and is an idiot. Now, I can you imagine, just like all of this discourse and all these parodies of Jacob Chansley

had the effect of building up his clout, clout that he could not cash in because he was in federal prison. But then he was released, and then he and his associates got right to work on a comprehensive influencer strategy. I mean, they hit the ground running, day one. You're going to be the next Lever King, kid. Yeah. Jacob Chansley's triumphant return was accompanied by the launch of digital media assets, including a new Twitter account and the website. So his Twitter account calls him America's Shaman,

which perhaps a sign that he's trying to move past the QAnon label a bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The ungritty reboot. Yeah, yeah, a little bit broader appeal. They're thinking brand strategy. They're not dumb. This website includes an extensive new line of merchandise. And let me tell you, it puts the Q&N anonymous podcast merchandise to shame,

just pages and pages of offerings on this new website. You can buy, for example, a shaman's, flag, and this is just an American flag with an image of the Q-Anon shaman yelling on top of it. And for $33, you can get a t-shirt that says Q-B-B-A-C-C-A. That's the letter Q, B-A-C-C-A. And this was a derogatory nickname for Jacob Chansley in the wake of January 6th. But you've got to understand, you know, in the attention economy, you can't own someone by giving them a clever nickname because they'll just adopt the nickname and monetize it. So this Chewbacca t-shirt includes an image of the Capitol and Jacob Chansley with the body of Chewbacca holding his bowcaster weapon,

a now awfully bold of them to use intellectual property owned by Disney. But maybe they'll be chill about it. Also for sale, for $99, there's a poster that parodies the poster for the classic gangster film Goodfellas. Now, this is the poster that depicts Robert Teniro looking very tough, and he's flanked by Ray Leota and Joe Pesci, and they're floating above a street that has a dead man lying across it. But in the Jacob Chansley version, the film is called Cult Fellas with a Q. There's also merchandise advertising Chansley's Forbidden Truth Academy project. And this supposedly seeks to improve the lives of its members and transform the world through education and mentorship,

offering services to increase IQ, expand consciousness, and enhance personal evolution. Now, did we confirm if this was a Steinbart project? Because, you know, when I looked at the website, I was like, slick website, good production value. I was like, this reeks of Steinbart. Yeah, the new podcast that he's doing is with a Steinbart guy. Yeah, Marcus Cohen. Yeah. And then also the logo, yeah, of it obviously is kind of like similar to the Steinbart Media one.

It all kind of smells like it's, oh, man. Isn't that so funny, though? How fucked up this world is that I see a QAnon site that's like competently, you know, competently built has kind of like modern, you know, modern font and presentation. And I'm like, it can only be one man, Austin Steinbart. Baby Q. So that's the website. And, yeah, so I went to his big coming out event. You know, there's going to be, there are lots of people there. So the, the event was held at the campus of the Reformed Living Bible Church in Scottsdale. However, a church elder said that the church didn't actually host Jacob Chansley. So this was John Poulton,

and he said that his flock leases an auditorium for Sunday services on a multi-acre campus that had previously been a Lutheran church, a Jewish synagogue, and a charter school. He said Chansley spoke in a meeting hall located in a separate building that his church does not lease. The local radio station KJZZ News spoke to Poulton, and he said that the event led to a spike in critical website activity and voicemails. So to the church, you mean? Like people... Yes, yes, people are angry at the church.

Some of them are very caustic, very vulgar, and very irate. But our church had nothing to do with this event. We didn't even know it was happening. That's too bad. Yeah. So when I arrived at the church, I didn't know what to expect. No, because every single time I've seen Jacob Chansley, he was very much a loner, like a mascot. I would not call him a leader or a guru in any particular sense, even though he

obviously had a point of view. He even published a book. So it was very much to my surprise. So I found that the parking lot of the church was just packed. I managed to find a spot. And when I walked around to the front of the building, I saw not one, but two billboard trucks. These are those cargo trucks that have the LED panels on both sides. So they function like a giant rolling screen. Now, usually these billboard trucks, they're used by businesses for advertising purposes. But in this case, they displayed like slideshows of the Q-Non-Shaman and also old, YouTube videos from Jacob Chansley, just these big trucks outside the church just displaying, you know, like fucking 15 feet across his face. It was very, very strange.

This is like, you know, how at kids' birthday parties nowadays, you know, parents will sort of spring for a big truck that pulls up in front of their house and there's video games inside and the kids can go in and play video games. I think this is the equivalent for pilled boomers. You know, you get a big bus. It pulls up in front. It's got your favorite YouTube videos blasting. it. I mean, this is a real innovation here. Inside the building, I saw Jacob Chansley. He was chatting with people. He ditched the face paint and horns. Instead, he was wearing this white suit and bandana, American flag tie.

He looked a little bit more professional, I have to say. And, man, he talked about a lot of things. He talked about neurolinguistic programming. He talked about the lying media. He talked about the importance of, like, love and not anger when you're debating. And what struck me about his message is that it was characterized by a greater kind of pluralism, that usually see from Cuban on followers. You know, both like religious pluralism and political pluralism. He said the words, an example of Lao Tzu, Christ and the Buddha. I mean, he's talking about Buddha and basically a church, a room full of Christians. He also tried to find places where Democrats and Republicans can find common ground. Like, for example, he said, that the government

is corrupt. So that's one thing we know beyond government is corrupt. Now, here's where we get divided is the Republicans believe the Democrats are communists and are trying to destroy the country, and the Democrats believe that the Republicans are fascists in trying to destroy them. However, both sides seeing massive amounts of government corruption. So we're seeing part of the measure and both sides see a certain

marginalizing of the people and their will in favor of loyalty to special interests groups, to corporations, to big banks, to the military, industrial complex, to the war machine. So it becomes by, If we can all agree the government is corrupt, which I think we can do that,

then we need only ask the right questions to converse about the ways that the government is corrupt and find common ground on how to fix it. Oh, brother Chansley, speak on it. I mean, yeah, it sounds very nice. I mean, he basically sounds right here kind of like a politician who's trying to snag some votes from the other side by like, you know, reaching across the aisle, finding a bridge. But in reality, his vision of common ground basically involves avidavisional. or believing things that can benefit authoritarian. Now, he extended this idea by claiming that everyone

can accept the idea that elections are all fraudulent. Because every time the Democrats move, they say election fraud, the election fraud, corruption. Every time you're all get to this, election crime, corruption. The middle of the ground is, the elections are fraudulent. It's a selection process.

It's a lot of you. It sounds like People are kind of talking and milling around. Like, it's almost like they treat him as a celebrity, but also maybe just a kind of, I don't know, part of a conversation they're all having or something. It's weird. Yeah, yeah. You know, he was the band in the background. There were lots of people. I mean, like, I couldn't get near the front.

I couldn't get a seat. I arrived too late. So it's kind of in the back. And yeah, you can hear a lot of people talking and milling about. I mean, again, I guess he tried to betray the sort of the, you know, common ground, reach across the aisle kind of bullshit. But he also got into some of the transphobic rhetoric that's very popular. on the right right now. On Twitter, he even promoted the transphobic documentary by Matt Walsh of the Daily Wire. So I think his actual alignment is pretty clear. He also got into medical quackery.

He, for example, claimed that Royal Raymond Rife back in the 1930s invented a device that can kill cancer cells with radio waves. You hear this a lot from Cooke's, but he did not. That did not happen. What actually happened was that, you know, he made this claim. And then over the years, people have sold what they called Rife devices to the most desperate and vulnerable. people who are very ill, and this led to massive cases of medical fraud. Jacob Chansley also claimed that Nikola Tesla, oh, oh, this again, this bullshit again, he claimed that he invented the means for infinite free energy, but was, of course, suppressed by big business.

So, but just so happens that Nikola Tesla discovered an infinite free, clean wireless energy subprud using those of the time that met a field. He invented a tower that harnesses this energy to create an infinite clean, clean, free wireless form of electricity for everyone on the own. And he did so over one years ago. Modeled applause for that. Wait, what are we talking about? Sure, free, okay.

Free for everybody. Wait, is this a handout? Was Tesla a communist? What's happening here? There was kind of like a broad techno-futurist bent to Jacob Chansley's claims. There was a lot less open bloodlust than, you know, characteristic of a lot of Q and not. I didn't hear anything about blood drinking or Drinacrome or any of that kind of shit. He said, for example, that Trump declassified a means

for extracting free energy, and this was supposed to be used for, for spacecraft. You may be wondering why you haven't heard about this just yet. Did you know that Trump declassified three major patents with the Navy before he left office? These patents, you guys, these three patents can and will change the course of you know. forever. They are as follows. Zero point energy, which basically extracts energy from the vacuum of space. There's also a room temperature superconductor, and this room temperature superconductor allows the zero point energy engine to function without overheating. Then, finally, he also released an anti-gravity or a inertia of propulsion vehicle that's shaped like a triangle. It's called

the TR3B. All of these things together, you guys, are the holy grail that the UFO and the conspiracy community have been begging, begging the government to declassified for decades. And nobody's talking about it. Not even in the conspiracy, UFO community, like, no, these were declassified. Okay. During his time as president in 2020, I thought it was kind of, I don't know, hard to believe the idea that Trump would enable free energy and spacecraft and not mention it once. I feel like he's kind of got a big mouth, and this is something he would take credit for personally, you know. But I went ahead and looked what he was talking about, and this is kind of an interesting rabbit hole. So here, Chansley is referring to three real patents of very

futuristic sounding technology, and they were assigned to the U.S. Navy, and they're created by engineer Salvatore Seiz. In Pais, he worked for the Naval Air War Fair Center Aircraft Vision, or the NACAD, and the Defense Technology publication of the War Zone has a few really interesting articles about these patents and the controversy surrounding them. So I think it's important to remember that invention doesn't actually need to be totally functional in order to receive a patent. Now, the most intriguing of these patents is titled craft using inertia mass reduction device and describes a hybrid aerospace underwater craft described as being capable of incredible feats of speed and maneuverability and can fly

equally well in air, water, or space without leaving a heat signature. Now, this is possible, Paez, claims, because the craft is able to engineer the fabric of a reality at the most fundamental level by exploiting the laws of physics. So this is the actual text from that patent. It is possible to envision a hybrid aerospace slash undersea craft, which due to the physical mechanisms enabled with the inertial mass reduction device, can function as a submersible craft capable of extreme underwater speeds. skin friction, and enhanced stealth capabilities.

This hybrid craft would move with great ease through the air slash space slash water mediums by being enclosed in a vacuum plasma bubble slash sheath. Well, you had me until the big plastic bubble. This is like, what, the forbidden island or whatever? What was that movie called? Forget it, who cares? Yeah, we can see, yeah, there's a diagram here of a triangle of the ship in like wavy lines that's supposed to be like, you know, the electromagnetic space around it.

I think technically I would refer to this drawing is dope. Yeah. It's sweet. This is all supposedly possible because all matter contains energy on the quantum level. By theoretically creating its own incredibly dense and polarized energy field, this hybrid craft is claimed to be able to create a quantum vacuum around itself, which allows it to repel any air or water molecules with which it interacts. So the craft can essentially ignore like aerodynamic or hydrodynamic forces.

So this is what is called the Paez effect. He posits that by controlling the accelerated spin or vibration of electrically charged matter, high-energy electromagnetic fields can be produced. A technical barrier for creating this magnetic field is the fact that it would require massive amounts of energy. Now, fortunately, Paez has other patents for a room temperature superconductor and a plasma compression fusion device that supposedly make this electromagnetic field possible. The fusion device, if it worked, could supposedly generate a terawatt of energy or more from a device no larger than an SUV. And the thing is, is that if you could provide just massive amounts of energy using very small devices,

I can think of like a lot more practical uses for that here on Earth than a spacecraft. This is what they're going with. Now, here's where things get interesting. So the application was initially rejected by the patent examiner on the grounds that, quote, there is no such thing as repulsive EM energy fields and that today's technology can't generate enough energy to make it work. However, the Navy appealed the decision and the chief technology officer of the U.S. Naval Aviation Enterprise as Dr. James Sheehe personally vouched for the legitimacy of this revolutionary aerospace technology and the Navy's appeal to the patent

office. Sheehe doesn't go as far as to say on the record that the Navy currently possesses this technology, but rather he states that it's possible and more crucially, Dr. he adds that, quote, China is already investing significantly in this area and, quote, would prefer that the U.S. hold the patent as opposed to paying forever more to use this revolutionary technology as he asserts, quote, this will become a reality. Now, after this letter, the patent office approved the patent and no reason for why they had a change of heart was given. What if the Chinese get it first? Okay, all right, fine. Fuck. This guy's in the Navy. All right, just do what wants, who cares. Yes, exactly. That sounds. Sounds like how it went down. All right, we're putting your

pretty drawing on the fridge, okay? Okay? It's right here. The other interesting thing is that the Navy didn't have to make this patent public. So under the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951, they could have instead chosen to keep the details of the supposedly revolutionary technology, you know, under wraps, which you know, it'll make sense if you want to like have a hold of monopoly on it, if it was generally a genuine and breakthrough. The other interesting thing is that the communications director at NACAD claimed that the Navy spent years testing the supposed pious effect without a positive result. So this is exactly what the Navy said. The high-energy electromagnetic field generator testing occurred from October 2016 through September 2019. The cost was $508,000 over the course of three years. Around 90% of the total,

$462,000 was for salaries, while the rest was used for equipment, test preparation, testing, and assessment. When NACAD concluded testing in September 2019, the Paisa effect could not be proven. No further research has been conducted, and the project has not transitioned to any other government or civilian organization. Sounds like they got it to work, and then they're hiding it. Well, I mean, here we have, so this is patents for like this, like Star Trek shit, but if it worked, it would actually have vastly more practical applications than just a spacecraft. And the patent was rejected until the Navy vouched for it and mentioned that the Chinese are working on something similar, and then they made this patent public, even though they didn't have to, and they couldn't

even prove the principle that would supposedly allow the spacecraft to work despite years of testing. So I can't claim to know exactly what the hell's going on here, but some have speculated that this patent is actually part of an information operation from the U.S. You know, perhaps the Chinese really are working on some sort of super advanced aircraft or spacecraft, and the U.S. is responding by letting them know that, you know, America is still the leader in military technology. Yeah. Or maybe the, you know, the technology. is not realistic at all, but this is an attempt at like technological intimidation or debate the Chinese and the wasting resources on their own like UFO technology. Or maybe it's just a

scientific misadventure. Maybe it's just skunk works. Maybe they're just so, you know, hard for the idea of America being number one that they were willing to pour resources in this pie in the sky idea that never had any hope of getting anywhere. So I don't know what's going on, but I find those explanations more plausible than the idea that the UFO and infinite energy technology is real and was released to the public with very little fanfare. Although, I mean, Travis, you know, just because it doesn't exist doesn't mean we can't shoot it at the Chinese. That's true.

Yeah, we're going to take the technology, just bunch it together and just throw it on that continent. I think we know it doesn't exist because those balloons would have all been shot down much, much faster. Eventually, Jacob Chansley, he got a question about Operation Trust. And this was a counterintelligence operation by the Soviet Union in the 20s. What they did is what they set up this fake anti-Bolshevik organization called the monarchist Union of Central Russia, and the purpose was to use this organization to identify actual anti-Bolsheviks and pro-monarchists.

In the context of QAnon, this is often brought up by the far-right conspiracists who are skeptical of QAnon. They argue that QAnon is not a genuine movement of patriots, but a PSYOP designed to distract and identify people who want to fight against the deep state. Jacob Chansley, in fielding this question, took this as a sign to speak about Q&U. on, which he called the elephant in the room. So let's sort of dress the elephant in the room, shall we? Everything in the mainstream is a psychological operation.

In other words, it's about this, control of the world. This is a part of something known as full-spectrum dominance. Four-spectrum dominance is a military term that's controlling the land, the sea, the air, space, technology, and the mind, okay? So the mind is actually the battleground that we're fighting by it is a spiritual battle because it is a soul battle, it is a mental battle, okay? How does this relate to Q?

Chansley went on to discuss the question of whether QAnon is a Siam. But while he was talking, he was interrupted by a man who was in the process of being kicked out of the venue. He apparently came decked out in combat gear, including like a tactical vest. You know, I personally,

I didn't see him carrying any firearms, but the clothes alone were enough to worry the event organizers. So Jake was interrupted in the middle of his thoughts about how to consider QAnon. This is the question I have to ask whenever I think about this idea of Q being a PSI-O. Is it a PSI-Oph a psychological operation? I'm talking to her, but thanks. Is Q a psychological operation that is intended to divide the people or distract the people from a global takeover or what have you? Or is it a psychological operation designed to reveal to the public black male like Jeffrey Epstein?

I'm talking. The man started going on a rant about how, according to him, he was running for sheriff and during his campaign, police illegally searched his home. And this was because he said he advocated for judicial reform. It was a very strange and tense moment. But honestly, I thought that Shansley handled the situation as best as he could. And so basically, you know, Chansley kind of like tried to

diffuse the situation while the man was being escorted outside by some Arizona Rangers. There is no fight and on the time. But here's the thing, but we can talk later. It's just, I was answering this room's question. I'm sorry.

I said, but they're asking me. I understand. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. And we can, and we can talk. We can talk. We can talk. Okay. I'm going to want you to feel that. Thank you for coming, okay?

I appreciate it, brother. You don't got to go. They're asking me to go, bro. Well, you're good like you had done to test for that, but I can't remember what was going on. We're all about peace here, now. Okay, so. They're asking me to leave. They're asking me to leave for interrupting you, man.

What are you going to do about this? Yeah, yeah. You know, I got to say it was handled pretty well. And you're going to say, kudos to the event organizers for, keeping a tight security. So even someone who looked like they might be trouble got the boot. So Chansley went on to give an example of how a disclosure movement could be co-opted. He talked about how, according to him, the UFO community at one point was mostly concerned

with futuristic technology, but then somehow it started fixating on abductions from space aliens. If there is an effective psychological operation that is going on, there will be infel traitors. Okay? So do I believe that JFK Jr. is still alive? No. Do I believe that you're in this flat? No. Do I believe in this idea of just trusting the plan and sitting back and eating popcorn and watching the movie? I had people say that I wasn't in prison.

When I was in prison, one of my fans told me that somebody online was saying that I wasn't in prison, that I was actually in Afghanistan helping Antifa fight with the towel. I had people say that everything that happened in the Capitol was a movie. and that I was a CIA plant. Once again, this is disinformation. And so with this idea of trusting the plan, try to keep in mind that if a psychological operation is affected at exposing people, if it is affected at exposing the system,

then there's going to be infiltrators in mass that are going to try to co-opt that psychological operation and bring it down from his end. Okay. Don't you see? It all makes sense. So if there's an operation to disclose real secrets

and valuable information, then of course, inevitably, it will also be used to promote bad information and nonsense and conspiracy theories. So the fact that Q&N is full of nonsense explains why it was actually good. It is very interesting

that he's basically caught up in his own conspiracy theories now because he's come into broad contact with the conspiracy community and they've all spun out into a million different directions, making up weird shit about him. And he's like, ah, how is this happening? And it's like, well, I got bad news about your whole thing, too, man.

Yeah, I mean, I remember a lot of people said that, like, he was like BLM and Antifa when, like, you know, the right at first decided to disown him. You know, Lynn Wood said that he was Antifa. And I'm sure, yeah, at first, he was like, no, no, wait a minute, no, I make conspiracies about other people. This is not, this point in the wrong direction. Doesn't come at me. This is weird. Yeah. Jacob Chansley goes on to say that just because some people aren't able to discern the good information from the bad information,

that doesn't mean that he doesn't have good discernment. And is it possible that there is an infiltrator or many infiltrators in the Q movement that are attempting to co-opted and make the people seem like they're completely nuts? Absolutely. Am I one of those people? Hell no. am I intelligent enough to decipher the information from the disinformation? Yes. Does that mean everybody is?

No. I mean, there are two things. Number one, the fact that he basically took these Navy patents just totally on face value suggests to me that perhaps he isn't that good at discerting, you know, the information from the disinformation. And number two, it seems like what happened was that he was 100% cupilled until he finally realized like, oh, wait, there's lots of like crazies in Q-Pilled. QAnon world because they're making up conspiracy theories about me.

But I still think Q was good. How do I resolve that? Oh, I got it. There are infiltrators that are promoting bad information and they just have bad discernment. But overall, the Q operation is still good. You know, prior beliefs, you know, validated and confirmed and preserved. Chansley then goes on to make a pragmatic argument for what he called the Q operation. He says that it helped people wake up to all the corruption and evil in the world.

Therefore, it was worthwhile. that believe and understand what was going on on Epstein Island before it ever broke. And then all of a sudden, lo and behold, that Jeffrey Epstein killed herself. Okay? There is a whole subset of people that understand how our debt-based currency is enslaved in our population. There is a whole millions of people that were not awake before 2017 that understand child and human trafficking is the largest black market industry in the world. There is a whole millions of people.

growing of people to understand that there is a shadow government, not just in the United States, but we're going. So this is the effect of the Q, psychological operation. I'm all for it. Yeah, we're being sci-opt. Woo. Manipulate me, shadowy forces. Woo. That's, I mean, that is like very, very sad. It seems like everyone, especially these people who are the most conspiracy-minded, They've given up hope on the idea that they won't be manipulated by shadowy forces, some of whom may mislead them. It's like, okay, that's going to be a given. But since it's going to happen anyway, can it be the good shadowy forces I approve of, the, you know, the white hat shadowy forces, the good, powerful, secretive intelligence agencies who are sending me down rabbit holes. I guess I'll settle for that because, like, not being manipulated, that's obviously not an option.

Yeah, that isn't incredibly, you're right, cynical take, right? It's like, hey, listen, we're all being sciopped into oblivion. We have no idea what's true. Everybody's just basically feeding us narratives. But one of them, I like. Right. Yes, it. Just give up.

Just pick the sci up you trust the most and say, whatever, send me down this path. You know what? He at least, you know, like you said, he's a pluralist. He's saying, you know, pick your own adventure. Pick your own sciop. So, yeah, you mentioned Austin Steinbart. And I actually happened to because in the middle of his talk, I saw Austin Steinbart in person. He walked into the room. I got to say, his hair does look as solid and gelled in

person as it does in those photos. He's got, he takes care of his hair, I got to say. Did you give him a firm handshake? Did you give him a pat on the back? He was talking to a bunch of people. He's talking to people constantly, so I didn't get a chance to, you know, wedge in there. What you go up, what you do is you go up and you tap to check for the Wizzinator. You just, you don't even say, you don't even say hello. No, that would, I think that that would end with Travis getting carried out by some rangers. Travis, few arrested in Arizona for assaulting baby Q. Yeah, great.

Well, yeah, I would have to podcast from prison. So it seems as though, yeah, like you mentioned, like Austin Steinbart and Jacob Chansley, it seems like they're forming kind of this loose network of Q&ON adjacent content creators and include some names you probably haven't heard of, like Marcus Cohen and Pete Centelli. But if I were to guess, I would seem like Jacob Chansley is like the newest and perhaps one of the most valuable new assets in this network. And that's, of course, going to raise all of their profiles. So they're going to create a nice little network to compete with some other, you know, Q&N networks there. Well, sure, unlike most, you know, popular Q&on influencers, that Chansley actually

did something. He showed up and he stormed the Capitol. You know, most of them can only say that they, you know, sit behind a microphone and, and sort of pontificate. But it makes sense to me that, you know, the sort of influencer sphere in the conspiracy world is, you know, kind of fighting over over who gets Chansley because he, one, is so visible. Two, you don't have to prepare content for him because you could just stick him in front of a podium and he will be able to rant for, you know, two hours. I mean, I think, you know, in terms of sort of birthing a QAnon celebrity, he's like in the top running. I can't wait until Austin Steinbart and Jacob Chansley turn on each other like DeSantis and Trump. inevitably. Yeah, and you just have Jacob up there like, and, uh, little baby Hugh, uh, with his plastic penis, you know? Yeah, this, this is what always happens in conspiracy circles. You know, the paranoia, the paranoia eventually creeps in to your, your sort of everyday interactions. And yeah, of course, uh, eventually you're going to find beef, you know, with, with, you know, your producing partner or, or, or, you know, another influencer. I mean, it's, it's, it's sort of destined to happen.

I don't know, though. Maybe, just maybe Jacob and Austin are compatible in some weird way. I don't know. I could see it happen, too, that they just get along swimmingly. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, you know, their talents might mesh and amplify each other in a sense. So we'll see. I mean, you know, I was thinking about Jacob Chansley's journey because I remember one incident in the days after the 2020 election. I was hanging out at the Arizona Capitol because I was told that there was going to be a gathering there. but that never materialized. But Jacob Chansley did show up, like by himself. He had that Q&LN flag draped around his neck like a cape. And with nobody present, I was 200 feet away with my, you know, telephoto lens. And he started, like, dancing in the circle and beating his drum. And he wasn't performing for an audience. He was just doing a ritual by himself for himself because he's just, he's just on the track.

And he goes. And that's just the way he is. And then flash forward two and a half years. And I see him, like, command a room. of 150, 200 people for hours. And, you know, I have no clue how big this is going to get. Because, you know, he does have, like I said, he's got the gift of gab a bit. And he's able to, like, research things in ways that people respond to.

So we'll see what happens. Now, we got an opportunity to speak to Jacob Chansley himself over Zoom. Now, this is technically not the first interview we've done and aired with Jacobs. And it's like we mentioned, we actually spoke to him directly when he was at the Save the Children rally in L.A. We're definitely not the only people to interview him since he got out. Since his release, he's been on a media tour speaking to just about anyone who will have him on. That, of course, will give him plenty of opportunities to advocate for his esoteric worldview. And during his two-and-a-half-hour talk with us, he spent a lot of time talking about his various conspiracies and spiritual beliefs.

But we were really more interested in hearing about his journey. You know, like how did a man from Arizona go from yelling about pedophiles at the Arrowhead Mall to attending a Q&N on March? to becoming the most famous participant of January 6. So to finish this episode, we're going to play some edited clips from our interview that will focus on the stuff that we found most interesting. I was really interested in hearing about his upbringing and how he was, like, raised in the conservative Catholic, Rush Limbaugh listening household. And surprisingly, it was his questioning of this worldview that turned him into a seeker

of alternative perspectives. He talks about how his introduction to conspiracism was through a lot of like the classic internet conspiracy theory videos and the aughts like the 9-11 documentary that we're pretty sure this loose change that he's talking about. He also mentions the zeitgeist and then films about the futurist Jacques Fresco. He discusses how his political perspectives really flow from his spiritual quests. My childhood was to say the least unconventional. I got picked on a lot in schools. I also had a rather interesting and somewhat turbulent childhood at home. My dad was an alcoholic. He was an alcoholic that liked to argue and

debate politics. I grew up in a conservative home. My dad was a Bush supporter, a supporter of the war in Iraq and all that stuff. And being a naive young man, I believed everything my dad said for the most part. And then eventually, as time went on, and I started to think for myself, I started to realized that there were some very large inconsistencies in the government story, whether it be weapons of mass destruction or, you know, what have you about 9-11 or about the Bush family. And so that kind of created a real cognitive dissonance for me that actually is something that at first I was, you know, shocked about, but I at some point kind of learned to enjoy because then it was like, okay, well, what is the truth then?

and then I started to do my own research and think for myself and to see the world in a way that was not the way my dad saw it. And I mean, if you've ever, if you've ever argued with a drunk, there's no winning. So I've really refined my verbal capabilities. I really refined my ability to debate and condense complex and esoteric knowledge and topics into a easy to understand format. Like Einstein said, if you don't understand it simply, if you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it fully. The environment I grew up in wasn't always chaotic. My dad was a good man. He just had a bad monkey on his back and he got drunk a little too often. I don't want to make too big of a deal out of that. I guess the real crux of the issue is that my standing out in school

as well as my ability to think for myself at home has sharpened my tongue and given me the ability to not only think for myself, but then articulate my own personal viewpoint in a way that's easy to understand and relate to. Sometimes it, you know, being around my dad when he was drunk was a blast. You know, he was really fun sometimes and it was great hanging out with him. And then other times it was like hanging out with a demiurge or something. something, you know, it was terrible. And it was like he was possessed by this alcoholic demon of sorts. But he was a really good dude when he was sober for the most part. So that's, and anybody that has an alcoholic in their family knows that who they, who a lot of these alcoholics are

when they're drunk is not who they are when they're sober. And so when my dad committed suicide, it was, you know, it was kind of like the last kick in the nuts because there was all this stuff that I went through as a kid. And even though I went through all that, I still loved him. I stopped believing in Bush and all that crap long before he passed. What really did it for me was the documentary about 9-11. I don't remember quite what it was. It was a long time ago.

It was like in like 2004 or 2003 that. I saw it. I just know that it, what it did is it opened my eyes to the idea that there were some very real questions that needed answering. And the 9-11 commission and their story was not up to snuff. So that really started the opening of my mind. And eventually as I started doing more research about the Bush family, how they were involved in the CIA with, you know, Kennedy, where Prescott Bush came from, how he was involved with Hitler and all that stuff. And, uh, It really started to get me to realize that both Republicans and Democrats are corrupt, baby. My dad, you know, was always all the Democrats this, the Democrats, that.

My dad was a big fan of Rush Limbaugh. And I eventually kind of got tired of Rush, too. God love him. But I, I, he was, he was a good orator. But the thing is is that he just repeated himself so much. And I really got to a point where I was like, this is, he's doing a three-hour show, but he's really kind of saying the same thing over and over. over and over again. I'm just not getting into this anymore. This isn't this isn't doing it for me and he

was consistently pushing the narrative of the 9-11 commission. So I just at some point realized, well, the whole fucking thing is corrupt. The media, my dad was a fan of Fox News. I realized, okay, well, CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, they're all crap. I found out about Operation Mockingbird and it all kind of made sense. was really the beginning, like the real intense, like, I'm going to start thinking for myself. Also, what really did it was watching esoteric agenda in 2008. That really opened my eyes. Watching some of the zeitgeist, watching Future by Design about Jacques Fresco,

watching the Thrive Documentary. You know, it just, you know, I don't accept, I don't accept anything at face value. It was more so spiritual than anything. The spiritual dynamic of my life shifted in a way that is extremely profound, and we have far too little time to discuss. But for the sake of brevity, I will just say that what really shifted first was my spiritual perspective. I've always been very spiritual ever since I was a kid. Even at five years old, I was asking my mom, like, who's God? What's God? Where is God? you know and her answer god just is sweetie really did not did not do it for me i was like oh that's a lame

answer i was really hoping for something more than that crap so i started to think a little more deeply about these things on my own because i didn't get sufficient answers from the church my mom tried to raise me catholic you know and i you know we had to go to sunday school and go to church and it just it was so damn boring and even as a kid like the logical fallacies within the Catholic philosophy were just so glaring and obvious. I was like, this just doesn't, this isn't doing it for me. And because I was such a deep thinker and because I really wanted to know God, I really wanted to know, it's like, well, if God exists, I want to know like how, why, where, who, what, when, you know. And then

it also kind of dawned on me around the same time of my spiritual questioning of reality and all this stuff about God, not in a way of questioning whether God exists or not, but if God exists, then, you know, where's the goods? You know, I want to know the truth. Also, that bled into this political view of like, well, then why is the world so screwed up? Why are there homeless people everywhere? Why are there some people that are starving in Africa? Why are children being, like, subjected to that in Africa? Like, what's, what is actually going on here? it was always this like lukewarm halfway you have to believe all this stuff and then you'll go to heaven and it's like well hold on a second what about the people in like africa that don't even know about any of this

stuff where are they going you know what's happening to them is god going to like send them at hell because they don't know who jesus is i'm sorry i have a question it became a deep and profound curiosity that I think all people are born with, but they get, they get stifled, whether it be in a church or in a school classroom. So I think that that curiosity is put in everyone, but it is squashed by the world because it has no place in the society of slaves. I was always very opinionated in school, and I think that's part of the reason why I got picked on, whether it be about God or politics or world events or whatever. I mean, I'm talking about things. in second grade that most kids, you know, they're just focused on their, you know, playing with

their toys. So I've always kind of kind of singled myself out in that way. If you ask for a starting point, bro, the starting point was before I was even born, man. I've always been very curious about shamanism. I've always been curious about the Native American tradition. Something told me, even as a child, like, they know something. Those guys in the headdresses and the face paint, you know, dancing wildly and drumming and singing around a fire or eating mushrooms or peyote. Like, they know something, man. And I want to know what they know.

We lost something, you know, because I was looking at the world and going, what's going on? Like, why is it like this? You know, it wasn't always like this. I know it wasn't always like this. Like, I can feel it. I can sense it. So what happened?

Maybe the shamans, maybe the medicine man, maybe he knows. They know something that we lost. So I started to kind of find great interest in that path early on. You know, my dad had eaten psychedelic mushrooms. And when he told us that, I was like, oh, really? So you hallucinate? What's it like? You know, the religious traditions of all nations and peoples always interested me.

So I read the Bhagavad Gita or I listened to it. I listened to the New Testament and the Old Testament. I looked into the Sikh religion. I looked into Islam. I looked into Buddhism and the story of Sadrath Gautma, the Buddha. I looked into everything. I looked into Judaism. I looked into everything because I wanted to know, okay, like, what the hell is the deal

with this? What's the deal with that? What's it deal with this? What's to deal with that? My mom was always supportive of my spiritual explorations. And my dad was in a little bit in a way, in his own way, because he was always a skeptic of religion. But this most certainly was a journey I took alone.

There is a saying about shamanism. Shamanism is the path from the alone to the alone. And it is most certainly a path that is solitary in nature. You can't walk through the door with 20 people arm and arm. You have to walk through the door on your own. I didn't really talk about it like in high school or anything. I really, really got deep into shamanism after I got out of the Navy. And I dabbled for a short time in psychedelics.

And then I had a really intense experience of mushrooms where it was like, you know, in shamanism, they believe that there are like within these plants, there are what they call plant teachers. And these, basically these plants have a spirit to them. And you have to make allies with that spirit. Otherwise, you're not going to have a good time. and I met the mushroom spirit one time when I was using the mushroom to party and it was not very happy with me and it was like you know get the fuck out of here you're not using this the way it's

supposed to be used how dare you you know and after that I took a break an extended break from like over like a year after a while I was like well I'd like to get back into it but I'm kind of worried that something like that's going to happen again and then I got a number of like beautiful synchronicities that were, I could, I could explain, you probably wouldn't even believe them. But it's, it's details that really don't matter. Case in point, I got into it in the shamanic sense. I started studying shamanism in a whole new way and using the techniques in these altered states of consciousness. I also started going out into nature a lot and like meditating in nature, going on prolonged hikes, several hours in the desert. Yeah, it was really

interesting, I think, you know, kind of plotting out his path from an early age to, you know, how he built his understanding of the world. I just think that this is like a part of him that is not really often explored by the media. It's not as interesting. I mean, we had some details, but, you know, I think this really kind of shows you how, you know, circumstances and culture came together to kind of form what became, well, America's Shaman. We also get a sort of peek inside Jake's worldview, you know, the way he sort of interprets the events that happened to him, and, you know, he calls him synchronicities. And he talked about this a couple times during our conversation.

You know, this stuff happens to a lot of people, but some folks choose to look at it and say, wow, that was a wild coincidence, whereas the feeling I get with Jake is that these coincidences are actually a sign that he's on the right path or that things are lining up properly or that he's being encouraged further by some otherworldly sort of force. Yeah, the curiosity, you know, and like always trying to look deeper into things, trying to question things, combined with the idea that there basically aren't any coincidences and that things happening in your life are kind of spiritual messages that you should listen to intently and kind of be guided by. Yeah, those things kind of all came together.

And I thought it was really interesting about Jacob is that he's not evangelical Christian like most American conspiracist or people who are interested in Q&N. He has a much more eclectic kind of spiritual worldview. He explained how he went on a spiritual journey. And he said what he did was that he would find elements of religious traditions that just resonated with him, and he would just integrate those elements into his own pluralistic religious practice. Really what it came down to for me was I took this analytical question everything type of perspective that I had gained and learned to use strategically growing up. And I grafted it on everything in my life because I came to find, well, if I can't trust what my own fucking parents

believe, if I can't trust what's on the television, if I can't trust what's on the radio, if I can't trust what's in schools, if I can't trust what politicians are saying, then what the fuck can I trust? Okay, I can trust God. And if God exists, which I know God exists, I had plenty of experiences growing up to show me that God exists, then I would be guided on this path toward truth. So every time I found something that resonated with me, regarding like what the truth was, I would, it's almost like finding a little gold nugget on the ground, you know, like you're, or like panning while you're in like, you know, Montana or something and looking for gold in the river. And so every time I found a little nugget of truth, I'd be like, ah, setting that aside, putting that in my pocket, putting that in my little sack of truth. And eventually it got to a point to where I had stored so many of these little gold nuggets that,

I had eventually enough to create a gold bar that I could just put on the table, melt it all down. Yeah, the profound distrust, I think, is another thing that colors Jacob's experience, you know, the idea that we are in a kind of desert of trustworthy institutions, you know, and I think he takes it obviously to an extreme. Well, and it's interesting, too, because, you know, what he's describing here is, you know, what's often referred to in the community, you know, the conspiracy community is baking. You know, if you get enough crumbs, you can bake a loaf of bread. But when Jake describes it, it's gold nuggets, and those nuggets can be, you know, melted down into a gold bar. The other thing that he brings up here and that is kind of consistent is

his reliance on firsthand experience, or at least claims that he had firsthand experience. So there was, you know, a point that we are not going to include where, you know, Travis and him went back and forth on something that we actually covered recently, this supposed patent for a kind of, you know, a new type of airship. And, you know, it was like, well, I know it's real because I saw it. I experienced it. And so obviously for Travis at that point, it's like, well, what, you can't really argue with a claim of firsthand experience. He went on to explain his pluralistic religious vision, talking about how he believes all religions are basically a kind of shamanism. When it comes to religious experiences and this idea of having a more plural view or a more

eclectic view of God, that's why I practice shamanism. Because at the root of all religions, it doesn't matter what it is, doesn't matter what the religion is. At the root of all religions is a form of shamanism. Because they all have sacraments or sacred plants or incense or something that they eat or use to banish evil spirits. They all believe in some God or collective soul or Nirvana or Brahma or what have you. Allah, they all believe in prayer and meditation. They all have songs, holy songs and dances and drumming and music. They all have a very real belief in their faith and the idea that if they pray for something

or they work together as a community, they can achieve things or miraculous things. They all have a relationship to the environment in one way or another. All religions are a form of shamanism. They just have way more dogma. And that's why I was like, well, I'm going to get rid of all that dogma crap and just get back to the basics. Yeah, you mentioned that he's, that he is not a kind of evangelical or Protestant. At least, you know, he doesn't identify as such.

But the way that he's kind of building a personal relationship to the divine does have, a bit of it of that in in there yeah you know I suppose this is this is this really is the nightmare of Catholics you know it's like if you go the way of Protestant if you go the way of Protestants then you're just going to become a pagan who just believes in whatever and you just kind of like I guess you know took that to heart and you just sort of like yeah you just sort of like you know saw the whole world the whole wide world of spiritual beliefs and just thought you know maybe there's just a germ of everything I can sort of integrate into myself you talked about why he went to

and his shaman get up. He believes that it's a technique for disrupting people's usual thinking. Now, in this clip, he gets into like Pizza Gate and Satanic Panic stuff. He points out that the stylized A symbol that's used by the Arrowhead Mall in Glendale, Arizona, resembles a symbol in a 2007 FBI intelligence bulletin about symbols used by pedophiles. And it kind of does, except the mall version is more squiggly and is turned at a different angle. Yeah, because it's an arrowhead. head. Yeah, yeah, because it's an arrowhead and it's an A and there's like a limited numbers of ways you can represent that graphically in a stylized way. But yeah, the mall had been using that logo for decades. I think it's more reasonably attributed to an unfortunate coincidence than the idea than the mall wanted to openly signal the pedophiles. I practice a form of shamanism that's often referred to as Hioka shamanism. And it's like one of the highest levels of shamanic initiation. And I am largely,

self-initiated. I went to ceremonies and stuff like that, but God is my mentor. The angels are my teachers. So what happened is I started having these profound shamanic experiences, and I always kind of intuitively, ever since I was a kid, especially after some really boundary-dissolving experiences that I had with cannabis, I always kind of understood intuitively the nature of reality. And the shamanic wisdom, I would get what some people would call information downloads, divine downloads of the nature of reality. And it's almost like all these questions that I had been asking for years got answered intuitively. And I was never really able to express it in words. So around, I think, 2015,

I wrote a book, and it was the purpose of the book was to condense all of my spiritual knowledge and shamanic experiences into a fiction that I could basically tell truth through fiction. So I did the cover artwork for it. Everything in that book, like I even have misspellings on purpose because I have encoded messages in the misspelling in the grammar or the bad grammar and stuff. So it's kind of its own puzzle. I always like puzzles. You know, I like mysteries. I like things. I like trying to figure things out. That's part of why Q intrigued me so much. I wrote that book and that was when I really started to go through this whole alchemical furnace burning away the dross type of experience where all this other stuff that was all these extra words

that I was throwing into some of these explanations kind of got burned away and I was able to condense all of this knowledge into a gold bar. Actually, multiple gold bars at that point. I it was 28. My friends, my group of friends, they thought it was funny that I was going out and dressed like that and trying to talk to people. But like I said, it's a form of Hioka shamanism where you dress in a way that is shocking and you behave in a way in many cases that are backward to cultural tradition. And you do this to kind of shake up the culture and get people to think differently. So I would go out and dress this way, you know, with a sign on my staff and people would come up and talk to me and I had a pamphlet. I had like a one-page thing.

I could hand them. It was called Inspiration Weekly. The point was to shock people's neuro-linguistically programmed system. It was to shock the pattern in their brains that had been created by the Operation Mockingbird Media and years of brainwashing in schools, years of brainwashing by politicians. And then that shocking image and people would come up and either ask to take pictures or talk to me. And then I'd have a real chance to converse with them about, you know, the seventh generation and what we're doing now and how it's going to affect our great, great, great, great, great, great grandchildren. I would have a chance to talk to them about, you know, the destruction being done to the environment or the mass enslavement of humanity through

debt and all that stuff. My childhood had, you know, prepared me for it, you know. Getting picked on in schools led me to not really give one shit what anybody said, you know. So, and like the whole saying goes, when you care what people think, you're rather a slave. And I refuse to be a slave to any person, any group of people, or any system or government. I grew up in a household where I was forced to behave a certain way and have certain disciplinary measures exercised against me if I didn't. And so in one way or another, I kind of grew up in a house with tyranny. And my dad was a tyrant, especially when he was really drunk and an asshole. So it really kind of shaped me to say, well no i don't care what anybody says this is this is the path so like it how it gets into

you know having q sent me and you know me calling out arrowhead mall for having a pedophile symbol as their logo and using it by their bathrooms in which they have family restrooms that lock okay using it to like lead up to the mall and then by arrowhead mall there's all these other weird symbols like the bloody handprint for a restaurant that is for like fish and chips. There's a Bush's chicken and like all sort of like pizza parlors and stuff with weird-ass symbolism. And, you know, it was just really shocking to me seeing all these things in the same area. And then I heard from a woman that used to work at Arrowhead Mall that children go missing at that mall all the time. And that there are, in fact,

obviously in all malls, subterranean levels where they get stock and stuff like that brought into the mall. And it just so happened that Costco was less than a mile down the road or so from Arrowhead Mall. And we all know that Costco is associated with China. So there was all these weird things where I'm like, okay, you know what? No, fuck this. Yeah. It's like, you know, everything is is worth deciphering. Everything is worth processing for him, you know, even if it's just a nearby Costco and a tenuous connection to the Chinese, which I guess he just assumes that, you know, you understand China is bad. And so that adds to, you know, this conspiracy. The Bush's chicken signifies, I guess, the Bush family. You know, it's, so it's,

everything is kind of mixed together. And, yeah, he, you know, around that time, he, he already had that Q sent me sign that he would always have with him on the spear. I noticed when he was talking about how he wanted to use his outfit and his behavior to disrupt people. It sounded very discordian, this idea that it's important to disrupt people's paradigms to introduce a new one. Jacob's perspective on Q&N is pretty conventional for a QAnon follower. He believed that there was just some sort of crucial information that the mainstream media was covering up, and QAnon was just one of the only means of getting that information to more people. When it comes to Q&O, it became.

quite clear to me that if we had a chance at getting the information out to the people and helping them to put the puzzle together, helping them to deprogram themselves. And I see Travis has that Q poster thing in the background with all that stuff on it, you know, about Secret Space program and about all that stuff. If the media is not going to talk about it, then what the fuck are we going to do? And if we have millions of people, literally at this point, like 50, 60 million people all over the world that are talking about this stuff that are actually digging deep on these things that the Operation Mockingbird Media refuses to talk about, then I'm going to push that all the way, baby.

He has a perhaps unexpected perspective on Alex Jones. He is not a fan. It sounds as though Jacob likes Jones's message, but doesn't like his bombastic delivery. I never really got into Alex Jones or Bill Cooper until, long. Alex Jones, I saw some of his stuff, but in all honesty, look, I love Alex Jones. And I was so impressed and I bless him so much for going into Bohemian Grove and getting us that footage. That took balls. And then to co-up to a Bohemian Grove member and like ambush him, I ambush journalism and start talking about how, yeah, he's the one that did it.

Yeah, I went in there with the video camera. Yeah, that was me. You know, that right there was like, fuck yeah, dude, fuck yeah. So first of all, I, God love Alex Jones for what he did in Bohemian Grove. but I don't per se very much enjoy his brand of being all over the place. And y'all and they're screaming and get really angry. You know, to me, that's really, it's a turnoff. And I think that it's the wrong approach.

Even though what he's saying is true, the way he's saying it just doesn't rub me the right way. Yeah, part of why Jacob Chansley doesn't like Alex Jones, Jones had a confrontational interview with him. And according to Chansley, it was Jones who gave him the label, Ewanon shaman. He makes it clear that's not a label that he gave himself. In this clip, Chansley also gets into his utopian vision for the future of humanity. Alex Jones is the one that gave me the name Q Shaman or QAnon Shaman. I never called myself that, but the media continued to insist that I was a self-entitled or self-named QAnon Shaman. Never true, not true, never did it. None of whatsoever. I always went by the name, Yellowstone Wolf. If I went by a shamanic name, it was Yellowstone

wolf and when i use the term america shaman it's because the operation mockingbird media has created a straw man that they used to create a divisive and polarizing propaganda campaign where they used my image as that straw man and they used it because they created this shock and all campaign that they were going to then use to try and make it seem like trump supporters were a bunch of nut jobs and oh look he's bare chested and you know he's in the Capitol and look at the way he's dressed, he's crazy. They're all just crazy, crazy insurrectionists. You know, and that was the narrative, you know. When they use that term QAnon shaman, a lot of people have like a loaded image in their minds of who and what I am based on this media misrepresentation.

First of all, it's nothing I ever called myself. So I'm not going to like, oh, yeah, I'm the Q shaman. I'm the Q shaman. I'm the Q and on, you know, no, I'm not mentally ill. I'm not crazy. You know, I'm not a bipolar, schizophrenic, delusional, depressed. I'm not a short bus retard. I'm not, you know, an insurrectionist. I'm not a terrorist. I'm none of that stuff.

I'm not a criminal. I'm not a convict. I don't even consider myself a felon. I don't accept that label. I am a shamanic practitioner. I'm here to help save humanity and the planet Earth from most certain extinction and destruction if we continue to trust these globalists and these. Satanist Luciferians and allowing them to take over the planet, these transhumanists

that want us to merge with AI and technology and create a whole new human race that's like a cyborg hive mind, a borg hive mind from Star Trek. Not going to let it happen, Jack. We have two possible futures. We have the future where an organic organism, an organic humanity ascends into the highest possible levels and dimensions of light, love, peace, harmony, and spiritual evolution. where we are one with the earth, one with each other, there's no peace, there's all peace, no war, where everything is symbiotic, everything is synergistic, and there's all these synchronicities that show us that we're in harmony with nature and with God. Or we can go the other route.

And the other route is that we have a synthetic form of human being based on things like cloning and AI technology and transhumanism and emerging with machines and AI where births are created based on controlled gene manipulation and we are pulled down into a lower dimension of electromagnetic activity into this AI hive mine of sorts where we use all the resources on the planet we destroy ecosystems and we create mass extinctions and we end up all basically living within this dystopian hell-on-earth scenario. We can be either in utopia and Eden or dystopia in hell. We can either be organic, symbiotic, ascended spiritual masters of our own reality and fates,

or we can be these synthetic cyborg, transhumanistic robots merge with AI, living in a dying world that will only last less than a couple hundred years at most. Yeah, just for reference, that short bus comment is based on his first lawyer's now infamous comment in the press. So he didn't just kind of come up with that himself. He's basically responding to that claim. I would, yeah, I would definitely take it. I think that he believes a lot of nonsense, but I would, he's definitely not a dumb guy. I mean, obviously the way he's, he's able to like articulate themselves this very interesting dramatic way in the way that he's obviously he likes he likes doing a lot of reading and lots lots of um he has he has like favorite authors so he's

definitely not a dumb guy there were a lot of conspiracy theories from the right about jacob chansley such as the absurd notion that he was actually antifa but he sounds unbothered by the massive amount of speculation about him that he received after he became famous after january 6th Not only was my life turned completely upside down in the 24 hours after January 6th and then the 72 hours that led up to my arrest by the FBI in Phoenix, but then I have the government, the media, and my own defense attorney saying a bunch of shit about me that's not true. And I couldn't defend myself.

I couldn't do anything about it. Very few people have had experiences like what I've had. And so I don't fault anybody that considers themselves a Christian. or a conservative Christian nationalist or whatever for not liking my appearance or for thinking that I'm a pagan, you know, I mean, they can think whatever they want. This is a free country as far as I'm concerned. And that's the way I'd like to keep it. I'm the kind of person at this point where I'm in my life where I really don't like getting into arguments. You can tell me, you know, two plus two is eight. And I'll be like, yeah, sure. Okay, bud. You know what I'm saying?

don't give a shit, you go ahead and think whatever you want, I'm not going to sit here and argue with somebody and change their mind. And that's part of the beauty of what I went through with my dad. Everything that I've gone through in life has prepared me for the next step. And what's funny is that, and this is something that actually kept me going when I was in solitary and when I was in prison is that Gandhi once said, God gives us just enough light to see the next step in front of us. But in our ignorance, we, in arrogance, we want to see 10 steps ahead. And when we look 10 steps ahead, we see darkness and we feel lost in the darkness. When all we have to do is just focus on the next step and God will get us there.

It just helped me to like, one day at a time, I'm not in prison anymore. That's cool. And then they move me to home confinement. It's like, I'm fucking back home. And I, you know, okay. And then I'm out of fucking BOP custody. Okay, I'm on probation. Fucking A.

You know, supervised release. here I am. Yeah, we were, we were not looking to, uh, to get into any confrontations, uh, either. You know, I think that was, that was one thing that was definitely, uh, you know, difficult for me about the interview is, is, you know, calling into this space and, and trying to keep the conversation, you know, more on how Jake got here as opposed to trying to convince him, uh, that, you know, that his beliefs were. incorrect or that they were harmful or, you know, it was a, it was a weird situation. It was a weird situation. I don't know, you know, we haven't really been, we haven't really done this before on

the show where we talk directly to somebody that is such a fervent QAnon believer. I don't know if you guys had any feelings about that or. Yeah, I mean, it was strange and it was kind of our first time doing something exactly like this. I think it made sense in this case. And just because it gave some extra insight and, you know, texture and background. But, yeah, you know, I mean, there's no point arguing. And, I mean, the listeners have probably not just dropped in for this episode. You know, they know what we believe, you know, and a lot of people won't be surprised by his beliefs. And so, you know, anytime we got into a place in the interview where we were kind of, I don't know,

arguing about the facts or, you know, what opinion is correct and what isn't. It just was not, there was nothing there. It wasn't very productive. Jacob also talked about his experiences in prison, which are, you know, of course, difficult, but was made more difficult by the fact that he spent a lot of time in solitary confinement, which is a form of torture, according to the United Nations and lots of civil rights organizations such as the ACLU. And it sounds as though while in solitary, he experienced a high degree of a psychic discomfort, which he attributed to being the target of psychotronic weaponry, because he is, in his own description, a targeted individual. Now, obviously, we have no way of knowing what Jake actually experienced, but I think there are reasons someone might experience auditory hallucinations besides being targeted with hyper-advanced weaponry. Do you guys know what psychotronic weaponry is? I'm sure you've heard a voice of God

technology, voice to skull technology. In 2017, after I started doing my YouTube and exposing all these elites and all the satanic shit they were doing in the deep state and the pollution and the new world order and all that stuff. And like, dude, like, you know, the stuff they can do, they can fuck with your dreams. They can give you extreme back pain. They can make it feel like somebody's drilling a drill into the side of your head. They can make it feel like somebody's pulling your teeth out of your skull. They can make it feel like your eyes are like going to explode. They can give you rashes all over your body.

The shit I've been through, you guys probably wouldn't believe, okay? Because the stuff I've experienced, the things that I've seen in the sky, the things that I have experienced with, you know, intimidation online and death threats and, you know, psychotronic weaponry abuses and all that stuff, oh, it's very real. when you become a targeted individual, you start seeing black, black fucking helicopters following you around and shit. Oh, it's on another level after that. The psychic attacks, the psychotronic weapon shit got on a whole other level while I was in solitary. The pressure, the mental, emotional, electromagnetic pressure was through the roof. It was unbearable in some ways.

It was insurmountable in some ways. And I was only able to overcome it through shamanic techniques in prayer, breathing techniques, yoga, exercise. It was hell, bro. It was on another level. It's like, you know, being trapped inside your own mind and you're not the only one in there. They said it was for COVID at first. And then they said it was administrative segregation because they were worried about my safety. But the thing is that I wasn't an administrative segregation when they moved me to Oklahoma for a couple of days. I wasn't an administrative segregation when they moved me to Colorado for a couple weeks. So to me, it's just, it's malarkey, in my opinion.

I think it was designed as a form of soft torture. But, you know, that my lawyer doesn't see things that way. After solitary and after I pled out, after I pled guilty, the stuff kind of started to dissipate. I got out because I had six months of good time that was already coming to me. You only serve 85% of your sentence when you do federal time. And then I got six months off my sentence for doing an ARDAP residential drug abuse program. It's a form of programming inside of the prisons.

And I gained first step back credits. I gained six months off my sentence. So I got a year off my sentence. And then they released me two months before that year off my sentence arrived. So, you know, I got out in, I believe it was March 28th of 2023. three, it was demanded that I do ARDAP, but they also wouldn't give me the year off of my sentence, but I was able to earn first step back credits. So this is the thing about all of this, man, is that there's good people in the deep state. There's good people in the military

industrial complex. There's also some really, really bad apples. And I don't know. I think that some of the stuff that I went through, the only way to explain it is the grace of God, bro. Some of the stuff that I've experienced, some of the blessings and the synchronicities and the things that have happened, the only way to explain it is God. Either that or fucking time travel technology, but I don't see myself as so important that, you know, time travelers are watching me. You know what I'm saying? I think that's a little crazy. And there's always this voice of God pushing me forward and saying, hey, bud, I got you. And there's been so many miracles, so you guys, you wouldn't believe me if I told you some of the stuff I've experienced on like a cool

divine level. I've been through some really crazy shit on a negative level, but I've been through some equally, if not more awesome, positive stuff. I'll just give you an example of some of the stuff I experienced or one of the synchronicities that I experienced in prison. So I was in Florence Arizona as soon as I got locked up and it was like a couple of days after I got locked up and they slammed me with the felonies. I thought it was just misdemeanors. They slammed me with the felony is a maximum of 25 years, and I was freaking the fuck out. And I had a Bible. And I was like, God, why would you ask me to do this? Why would you ask me to put myself in this position? I'm in solitary confinement. You know, they're talking about 25 years. What the hell? Please speak to me.

So I said, speak to me through this Bible. So I close my eyes. I open the Bible to a random page. And then I point my finger at a random verse. And I open my eyes and I look. And it said, um i am yours and you are mine i have redeemed you and called you by name oh jacob and i was like whoa and this is early early on in the in the incarceration i was like well i'm not i don't feel very redeemed you know but then it just so happened three weeks before my release which by the way the release of tucker carlson's footage and mccarthy giving it to him had nothing to do with my release three weeks before my release was set to take place Tucker carlson airs that footage and then I got all these people sending me, you know, letters saying, dude, you are redeemed,

you have been vindicated, you've been exonerated, and all this other stuff. And I couldn't help but think of that fucking Bible verse that I read when I first got locked up. So there's this saying, Satan reasons like a man, but God thinks of eternity, you know, and we just got to trust God and do the faith walk. Anybody who doesn't get inside of a prison cell and then analyze everything about their lives and where they went wrong in every single way from childhood to what led them to that moment is a repeat offender.

There was definitely a large cognitive dissonance at some point, but as I got a hold of certain literature within the prison that I was at in Safford, it just reinforced a lot of the beliefs that I had. These are actual books in the prison. I was actually quite blessed to have some really good books. I read some stuff from Michael Sala, Secret Space Programs and Extraterrestrial Alliance,

or alliances. I read covert wars and breakaway civilizations by Joseph Farrell. I was blessed to go to Safford. They had a weight pile. They had for prison food from what the guys at the prison were saying, it was good food. They had tennis courts. They had a softball field. They had a track. They had a, you know, movies, prison movies, like like new releases and stuff every weekend on the DVD players. They had a lot of stuff like trees. and, you know, bushes, and I know that may sound funny, but most prisons don't have those things. There was a beautiful mountain in the background

is actually a sacred Native American mountain, sacred to the Apaches, I believe. And it's like of all places for me to go. It's the one mountain in Arizona where the Vatican has a telescope that they named the acronym Lucifer. You know, there's something else going on. God is telling me something here, you know what I mean? And I collected myself, because the thing is,

when you're focusing on the problem, you can't see the solution. When you're angry or you're stressed out or you're sad or you're depressed or whatever, you cannot see the bright side. The solution is do your time. Don't let your time do you. Use your time wisely. Work on yourself, make yourself better than anybody could have ever imagined, including yourself. Use all this time. You treat it like you're in a monastery, not a prison. Yeah, I found this part fascinating for, so many reasons. One, the idea that there are books about the secret space program in prisons and that there's, you know, a lot of literature that, you know, aligned with Jake's beliefs. The other thing is, you know, talking about this Bible passage. You know, I have no reason to doubt that that really happened. And I also have no reason to doubt that, you know, after watching, you know, the Tucker Carlson tape that showed Jake, you know, telling people to leave the Capitol and to, you know, that Trump had tweeted to go home, you know, that people would reach out to him and say, hey, you are vindicated. How can you argue with somebody's experience? And, you know,

how do you tell somebody like Jake that that is a coincidence? That is just a coincidence that you pointed to that passage that had your name. I mean, hey, look, Jacob is a prominent figure in the Bible, there are going to be a lot of passages that have that name. But at at the same time, you know, when you look at, you know, sort of his, his worldview going in, how could he not come out and see that as a sign that, you know, he is on the right path or that some divine presence is trying to speak to him? Yeah, I'm trying to mention that. I mean, it's actually not surprising that there was conspiracy literature in prison. Behold the Pale Horse, the classic conspiracies book, is famously one of the most popular books in the entire prison system.

And this is, I mean, because I think it goes back to the classic sort of theory of like why people fall into conspiratorial thinking is that provides a narrative that helps explain people's when they feel powerless or why they, you know, they can't make sense of why they don't have control of their lives or as much control as they would like. And so, yeah, so yeah, that's just not surprising that, you know, that's, someone who is, you know, conspiratorial in, um, outside of prison would, like, you know, would become even more conspiratorial inside.

What's next for Jacob Chansley? He says he's going to focus on growing his Twitter account, though he expressed reservations about the new Twitter CEO, Linda Yakorino, because she has worked for the World Economic Forum. He wants to grow his presence, he says, so he can advocate for what he sees as a positive vision for the future of humanity. Well, you know, grow my Twitter, you know, I mean, With all the censorship that's going on there, though, I'm really kind of wondering how much I'm going to, how long I'm going to be there.

I'm really hoping Elon Musk gets rid of that freaking chick from the W.E.F. Because the censorship is back. It's back. So my real mission or goal is to spread a message of love, peace, truth, unity, freedom, and consciousness, the role of consciousness in our lives and in the universe. so that we can, so I can basically be a finger pointing at the moon or a guidepost on this spiritual path and say, this is the path to ascension, this is how you do it. This is how we spiritually evolve people. And if we don't do this, then we're not going to be around for very much long. Thanks for listening to another episode of the Q&On Anonymous podcast. You can go to Patreon and subscribe for five bucks a month to get access to a whole second episode every

single week, plus access to our archive of premium episodes, as well as new mini-series like Travis's trickle-down and Julian's Man Clan. Annie as well, let's not forget our finest Brit. Let me take that again. Nope. Too late. You don't like women and you don't respect them. Done. Thank you very much. Moving through the outro. We have a website, QAnonanonymous.com. Oh, and I forgot to mention, you can also sign up for a year now on Patreon if you want to save a bit of money. and make a very bad bet on three very rotten eggs. They're so rotten, they're so rotten, I'll tell you.

They will bring up podcasts a lot. They talk about other podcasts that they make, and they'll mention the male host, but they won't talk about the female. And it's terrible, folks, it's really terrible. It's terrible. They try to correct themselves, but the producer won't let them. He lets them lay in their bed.

They've made it. They lay in their bed, and they make it, and they sleep there. Patreon.com slash Q and on it on those. Listener, until next week, may the Deep Dish bless you and keep you. It's not a conspiracy. It's a fact. And now, today's auto-cube. Okay, I'll give you a good example.

The UFO community, for the longest time, they were talking about zero-point energy, they were talking about anti-gravity craft, they were talking about this technology that can cure cancer and stuff like that. And then all of a sudden, somebody slips in and starts talking about great little green men from Zeta-Ratiguli, coming to the planet and giving people unwanted proctological examinations in the middle of the night. Okay? And this got a whole subsection of the UFO community to talk about that instead of the zero point energy, the anti-gravity, and all that stuff.

So, this is why they do your own research.