QAA Podcast - Episode 250: The Giant of Kandahar feat Noah Kulwin & Brendan James (Blowback Podcast)

Episode Date: October 10, 2023

Did U.S. forces fight and kill a redheaded giant in the Afghan province of Kandahar? Is it possible to connect the dots about the United States’ role in Afghanistan — and the Middle East — without resorting to stories about giants? We answer these questions with Brendan James and Noah Kulwin of the Blowback podcast. Subscribe for $5 a month to get an extra episode of QAA every week + access to ongoing series like Manclan, Trickle Down and The Spectral Voyager: www.patreon.com/QAnonAnonymous Blowback: https://blowback.show Noah Kulwin: https://twitter.com/nkulw Brendan James: https://twitter.com/deep_beige Music by Pontus Berghe. Editing by Corey Klotz. http://qanonanonymous.com

What's up QAA listeners? The fun games have begun. I found a way to connect to the internet. I'm sorry, boy. Welcome listener to the 250th chapter of the QAA podcast, The Giant of Kandahar episode. As always, we are your host, Jake Rakatansky, Julian Fields, and Travis View. Hello, friends.

This week we're joined by Noah. Colin and Brendan James of the Blowback Podcast to discuss two equally important issues. One, did U.S. forces fight and kill a red-headed giant in the Afghan province of Kandahar? And two, is it possible to connect the dots about the United States' role in Afghanistan and the Middle East without resorting to stories about giants? Brendan, Noah, welcome to the podcast. Hello. Howdy. The latest season of blowback is all about U.S. involvement in Afghanistan.

In previous seasons, you guys covered Iraq, Cuba, Korea. First off, great job, fellas. I learned a lot from this season. It was rough. I mean, it's like just the depths of the cruelty and malfeasance is rough, but it was also probably the best thing I've heard in terms of giving context to that war. So, congrats, fellas. Thank you.

Thank you. For listeners interested, they can get the whole season plus a bunch of extras at blowback. dot show, which is not a porn website, so go check it out. I wouldn't say that. Yeah, I mean, like, you know. It is, okay, you have a bit, something going on there? You know, Dick Picks? You said extras, you know, just click and find out.

Only frags. The structure of this episode will match the two questions I posed earlier, and the first part will explore the Giant of Kandahar, a deranged story which originated on the Coast-to-coast AM radio show in 2008 and has endured until today. In the second part, we'll get a little

more serious and speak to know in Brendan about some very tangible dot connecting when it comes to U.S. foreign policy and its effect on the Middle East and Afghanistan. So, fellas, to get giant times started, have you ever heard of the Nephilim? No. No, I haven't.

My only shot was going to be Noah, and I guess Jake is also a bad Jew, so you wouldn't know either. I have, like, a very slight idea, which is that they're a race of ancient giant people, but that's really all I know, I swear. You can't, you couldn't get me to say more about them if you tried. Yeah, you're just using context clues, which, hey, I applaud you for, but the Nephilim, let's get into them.

They are mythical giants, indeed, referenced three times in the Hebrew Bible. And here's a passage referencing these big fellas. And there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, who come of the Nephilim, and we were in our own site as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. Not a ton of descriptions about the Nephilim here, and this passage is a little bit of, bit redundant. So what are they saying? They're like, that we saw these giants and we were small, so they saw us for sure. No, I think that it just is basically roundabout saying we were like grasshoppers to them. Which I got to say, common experience for Jewish use. Common experience.

Always. We were bugs. Yeah. They treated us as bugs. Oh, look at him. He's so much bigger than I am. Yeah, constantly just hopping away from confrontations, hiding in tall grass, stepped on. by, you know, unsuspecting pedestrians. I can relate. Fed to lizards. Wondering if you were made out of mud by a goy. The origin of the Nephilim as referenced in the Hebrew Bible is disputed, with some believing that they're the offspring of fallen angels and human beings having sex with each other.

Mm-hmm. I don't know why I said that so fucking bizarrely. While others claim they were simply the descendants of some dudes called Seth and Kane, The Hebrew word Nephilim directly translates to the fallen ones, so it's not really, like, on its face, a giant reference. And there is actually some argument as to whether the word Nephilim can accurately be translated as giant. Well, it's interesting you say that because we were, before we started recording, we saw some Transformers parallels in this story. And we all remember the Fallen was Transformers too, the Rise of the Fallen. What was it? Something like that. This is definitely a Transformer subheading in one of the movies.

But did Optimus Prime mate with a woman and make like a Volvo hatchback? It could be dubbed as rise of the Nephilim in other parts of the world. That's going to be Transformers 8, which actually comes out this holiday season. I have the screener, and it's, you know what? It's not bad. Not bad. A lot of wars, a lot of clicks, but also a lot of Nephilim. You get your fill of the Nephilim.

Don't worry about that. I feels like Nephilim would be like the Transformers of the Transformers franchise created by like, I don't know, Kevin Sorbo, you know? Well, he's got, he's probably been in a movie with Nephlem in it, given the biblical bent of his career. Absolutely. Yeah, Nephilim, Rise of the Antichrist three. Also, like, Nephilim are, like, just such a good example of, like, the very classic

genre of, like, just stuff that people read in the Bible and decide to take literally. Like, they're willing to accept that so many other things are clearly figurative or illusions, but, like, this and then, what is it, when Ezekiel sees, like, the Great Waring Machine or whatever in the sky. And they're like, yeah, that's, that's, uh, Satan or the angels or whatever. But no, people like, it's, I, I appreciate that we have biblical bigfoot. Yeah, it's like, the girl just can't get enough of it. She's straight a Nephilim. Oh, oh, geez. Boy. Wow. Even try, you got Travis to shake his head on that one. Good, good. So fast forward thousands of years, and we've got conspiracy theorists claiming

that the Nephilim are still around and that shadowy governmental forces are trying to cover their existence up and or harness their immense power for who knows what purpose, probably something really bad. One of the most obsessed Nephilimophiles is Steve Quayle, a man whose website is a wild mix of alien disclosure, biblical baking, Q and on, and every type of grift known to man. We're talking gold, silver, colloidal silver, off-the-grid power kits, weird phone accessories meant to shield you from who knows what, and even a multi-level marketing scheme called Our Freedom Begins Now, recruiting people to sell beef. That fucking rocks, by the way.

I mean, I guess it would be even more salacious if it were bacon or, like, shrimp. I mean, at least with an MLM beef, you know, like, if you're just stuck with a bunch of beef on your hands, you know, could live on that for a while. Yeah. More than you could say for Mary Kay or Tupperware. Especially if it's Nephlin beef. That's extra large portions. You could feed.

We're trying to raise Nephilim in the labs again to feed, you know, countries. Yeah, it's not essential oils. You know, if you get scammed out of a lot into buying a bunch of beef, then, you know, at least, you know, you can have hamburgers for a while. Yeah, you have like a big chili cookout. You feed your whole small town. That's kind of cool, actually. I'm with it. This guy, Mr. Quail, who you've included a picture of, he looks like the sort of whistleblower that's kept in like a dimly lit sort of underground government cell that the, you know,

You know, the protagonists in the Transformer movies have to visit, like, you know, end of act to get, you know, the real story on the Nephilim Transformers. He looks like a guy trying not to pass out at a wedding. You mean me? Yeah, just like, it's like the ceremony, not even the party, and he's already so drunk that he's struggling to keep his eyes open. I don't know. I think he's like Dr. Barubi's banker brother, Haim. Yeah, except he's got kind of like a Ninja Turtle smile going on, which is, you know, one house. of your mouth closed and then the other half kind of like gritting your teeth.

Anyways, if you're interested in that beef thing, just go to Steve Quail.com and then I guess contact the people who are using a hotmail address. So you can trust him, no problem. Is he related to Dan Quail at all? That's what I was wondering. We're going to make that claim right now. Okay. Let's just go for it. Yeah, he is. He's Dan Quail's brother. Steve has been doing this stuff since the 90s, and he's a repeat guest on such classic shows

as The Jim Baker Show and Coast to Coast A.M., which, you know, obviously is an amazing show, except, you know, Art Bell died and then he passed it on to George Norrie, who's like, I'd say not as good. So he's more of the Norrie generation, Steve. He's like the Dick York to Dick Sargent, or the other way around on Bewitched. I don't know which one it is. I've never watched Bewitched, but I'll have to trust you on this one. Yeah, that landed like a fucking lead. I watched a lot of bewitched as a kid. I'm always surprised when I make this exact same joke. When you make this reference to like a 50-year-old TV show?

Try 70. Bewitched for me was like how I knew that Nick at night was over. You know, the, you know, snick the big orange couch, you know, a couple sketch shows, very funny stuff at the time. And then the bewitched, you know, they would do, they would start doing the classic TV shows, you know, afterwards. And once I saw that, you know, that intro theme song, I was like, well, it's time, it's time to change the channel or get sent to bed. I felt very deceived by, by Bewitched and the Brady

bunch. I felt like I was tricked into watching a lot of hours of those shows that I didn't particularly care for. I was not tricked. I was quite happy. There was a Nephilim episode of Be Witch, by the way, so I'm coming here more prepared than any of you by having watched it. Was there really, like a fallen agent? No, no, I don't, no, I don't think so. There could have been, though. It's kind of in everything. It's what they call, like, there's a whole plot line in Diablo based on the Nephilim. But I think it's more of the interpretation of the fallen one

than the Giants thing. Well, yeah, and X-Files season one has a fallen angel episode. I mean, that's like what they call like some invisible alien thing that electrocutes people. So is Nephilim, not to get too in the weeds, but is...

Well, like, in the fall is Hebrew for, like, falling down? Right. So, so biblically, is Nephilim seriously just supposed to mean giants, or does it have... Once who have fallen.

So it doesn't just mean this particular myth. of a giant cast or whatever. No, they're like, it's the, like this passage describes them as the Nephilim don't exist, right? Like, it's just like this passage in the Bible that describes some really tall guys who are addressed as the ones who are fallen. Okay. And we know that they're really tall because of that whole thing about grasshoppers and whatnot.

Like, there's, they're not really that important to the whole biblical canon thing. Well, are they? I mean, you know, perhaps I remain to be. I could be convinced, you know, I'm just Jewish. Interestingly, there are references to giants that don't use the word Nephilim that just straight up reference giants in the book, Book of Enoch, as we'll see. But yeah, like, people debate whether Nephilim can even be translated as giants, but the majority of biblical translators translated as giants.

And other ones translated as the fallen ones and other ones translated as the people who brought on the fall of the protagonist in whatever passage. So it's a fucking mess. We're trying to decode old-ass shit. Wasn't there a Nephilim movie that came out in, like, the 90s, about, like, a 50-foot woman? I don't think that's the same thing. Who played it? Who played it? That's not the same.

But I like that. Yeah, the Amazon, the very tall woman, the one you want to step on your little nuts. Oh, yes, it was Daryl Hannah. She played the Nephilim. I don't know about that. Who played the Transformers? Shut the fuck up. What is wrong with you?

We'll talk off. We'll talk off air, Jake. Yeah, but keep looking stuff up on your phone and bring it to us, Jake. Like, old movies, and make sure to type in Nephilim so you can never find it because you know that there's no reference to that. That's just like, that's just a fetish film for the 50s before they could show skin about a tall woman who you want to step on your buildings, if you know what I'm saying. So Quail, back to this beautiful man. He runs a blog called Q Alerts, which I guess stands for Quail, but is also obviously to like lure in, you know, cue people. He looked out with that one.

Yes. Big time. It's just like a blog, basically, where he posts in all caps with lots of typos. And I found a recent post from July 12th, which I'd love you to read, Jake. It is genuinely amazing. From SQ Alert to all my Q files members, big time attack on my producer's ability to upload the Q-File. Take it again. Take it again.

Okay, all right. From SQ alert to all my Q files members, big time attack on my producer's ability to upload the Q files for last 24 hours. Also, her computer burned out during the process. Okay, that's the title. And the Texas. It says, Rhonda, it's in all caps. Help me, Rhonda. Rhonda has been trying to upload my yesterday's Q-Cast podcast for the last 24 hours.

It was 90 minutes and the content must have made the entities mad. Her laptop went down, fried, and her efforts at rendering an upload were unsuccessful. Prior to her computer burnout, I am looking at workarounds and getting her back up ASAP. I will advise. I will get a transcript done as quickly as possible, but even that will need to be uploaded. Interesting timing as the word I was sharing was, We're in the eye of the hurricane and we are coming out of the eye into the full fury of the storm as the hatred of all good is kicking into high gear and will be relentless now.

Note the MSM full-on attacks against, quote, the sound of freedom and not caring for the sexually trafficked kids and attacking the rescuers, woe unto them who call evil good. July 12th, 2023. That's fresh. I really envy these people because like when we put out an episode late is like, oh, yeah, sorry. a headache and I guess I didn't research the stuff but this guy's like we're under attack they're frying my producer's computer you know it's it's a lot more dramatic also he just went on to say what the post was like so how are you being shut down if you just then said it in a shorter and more

like succinct way I guess but that wasn't taken down so why did she get fried we should all have ronda's to blame our our like late podcasts on but this this really is my favorite kind of like influencer post, you know, boomer battles with the internet. I mean, it really, it really strikes a special chord in my heart. Yeah. Do you remember the, I don't know if this was Afghanistan related, but there was a, like, CBS mainstream network reporter who said that she thought the Obama administration was hacking into her computer because she started to see a document she was working on, like, you know, getting deleted in real time, like on Google Docs or on Microsoft Word. And she thought, like, it was the government, like, literally manually pressing delete.

from far away and stopping her from filing her report and then it turned out like she had a sticky delete key or something and it was literally that her computer was sticky and then I think she had to do a big apology and I'm sure she now is a reporter for Newsmax or um yeah or something like that it might have been Lara Logan I don't want to I don't want to say it was but it might have been I know the best one that you used to get was the people who were like hacked and putting stuff in searches wait you mean like cookie Roberts yes she was like Krispy cream where is it And she was tweeting, like, search terms that she was trying to find out of... Thank you.

I was struggling to remember that. You immediately pulled it. I have it filed up here. I also like when people complain about their auto-complete. It's like, oh, it's just auto-completed, like, my text. Or Benny Johnson, like, why am I getting all these gay ads? Let's just say Benny Johnson was complaining about gay ads and was informed that those were auto-targeted.

It's just, that them's the facts, and he didn't appear aware of them when he tweeted it. Speaking of Lara Logan, it was amazing to, like, hear her come up in your podcast because we've studied her as a total fucking Q&On Loon promoting like Adrenachrome stuff now. So she's fallen from high, but I mean, back in the, what was it, was it CBS that she was on? Yes, 60 minutes. 60 minutes. The most prestigious TV news magazine show, if Michael Mann movies are to be believed. Yep.

And she was a war correspondent, you know, or whatever you want to call it. And she took particular delight in attacking Michael Hastings, the late Michael Hastings, which is when we bring her up because he, you know, broke a big story about not only the nasty words that General Stanley McChrystal was using about the Obama administration, which was the more tabloid aspect, but he was really talking about how Obama didn't seem to really give a shit about winning the war. Value judgments aside about that, she just went into full kind of a defensive mode that, was very loyal to the military, and everyone thought, hmm, that's, she's really going above and beyond here. She really attacked Hastings character. And then a couple years later, she's on the, uh, I think she's too, she's too extreme even for like, for O-A-N and stuff, right? Hasn't she been in trouble for all kinds of just straight up anti-Semitism and stuff, I think, or stuff like that? Yeah, last I checked, she has like her own show, which is just her in a kind of nice looking living room. That's good. We should probably be careful about what we say, because I think she's very litigious from what I remember.

So what I meant to say was she's doing a great job and always has. Well, she's probably doing a better job now than she was covering up for the Afghanistan war, some total of, you know. Yeah, that's a good point. That, like, playing around in, like, the Q&on padded room of social media is probably better than, like, literally selling a war. Yeah. They're waiting for David Brooks.

We would love to have him. So Quayle loves to talk about giants and claims to be on a never-ending quest to uncover the Nephilim. He's written a ton of books in. terminated. The end of man is here. Xenogenesis, changing men into monsters. Empire beneath the ice. How the Nazis won World War II. Angel Wars, past, present, and future. I wanted angel wars. It was a good read them. My favorite book cover of his is the one for tears, an ocean of emotion. And, yeah, I wanted to include me. That's a temptations lyric. Talk about litigious. Can someone try to describe this one?

Yeah, this looks like two Howard the Duck eyes, like peering through a cloud above a stormy sea, and two teardrops from the corners of each eye. The wrong ends of the eye. Yeah, yeah. Wrong ends of the eyes, they're very close together. Yeah, the eyes are too close together. It doesn't look right.

Yeah, these look like Furby eyes. Oh, maybe it is Furby. Or, like, somebody who's, like, looking from behind a painting, you know, in at, like, the Truman Show or whatever. Yeah, like, Scooby-Doo when, like, the eyes of the painting move away and then the goblin is behind it. And they're crying, in this case. Yeah, I actually looked into this one, and it is about how behind tears and crying hides, like, a whole, like, a whole world to, like, decode, basically. So he just decodes crying in tears for, like, a whole book. This guy has probably got a fucking sick.

psychiatrist who gets him the coolest drugs. Yeah, it's Jesus. He also uses the font that you'll see oftentimes on like self-appointed social media self-help millennials. Like in it like the font on his books or? Yeah, the font on his books. It's like almost cursive, but not quite. Oh, yeah, yeah.

And to me it looks like the auto signature from like DocuSign. Yes, that too. That'd be funny if he was writing all of it, like he didn't know how to use a word processor of modern era. so he has to use DocuSign every time he writes a word and then just print each word individually in his PDFs. He doesn't understand Photoshop, so he just literally, he literally just imports everything into DocuSign to get any text over the image that he wants. That would be me actually, like in another, in like an alternate universe. I'm kind of dumb in that way.

It's more deliberate, you know, writing that, you know, it gives him more time to think because he's busy, you know, with each word. Everything, there's no wasted words. Quail particularly loves a passage from the book of Enoch referencing giants. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of heaven, saw and lusted after them and said to one another, come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children. And they became pregnant and brought forth giants. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants. turned against them and devoured mankind and they began to sin against birds and beasts and reptiles

and fish and to devour one another's flesh and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones. And like actually oftentimes it's right before your arc comes into this story, Noah, that the giants get mentioned. So my, yes, they're actually referenced in the, like that 2010's film Noah starring Russell Crow. There's a whole, whole thing about the giants in that movie, actually. I wonder if that movie's based on anything. God, talk about child trafficking,

though. I mean, it sounds like these angels are just like up to no good. Oh, yeah. No, like the fallen angels immediately got to fucking. They found the ladies good on earth. So in 2008, Steve Quayle basically started the legend of the Giant of Kandahar during an appearance on

coast-to-coast AM with George Norrie. You're very spiritual, extremely spiritual, Stephen. So, Are you saying that these giants who are on the planet, these giants who could come through portals, they are the ones that Genesis refers to? Yes. What do you want him to say? Yeah. Yeah, not a great interviewer and not a great interviewee.

It's simple. I liked the interviewer. I thought he laid everything out really, really carefully there. Yeah, I felt like he was interviewing the Doom guy, you know? Like, so you're saying these demons, they came through the portal at Mars, and the doctor, he just laughed. You're telling me they call him the doomslayer? Hmm, interesting. It's like every movie these days, every 10 minutes, where they have, like, a guy stand in for the dumb guy in the audience and just explain what has happened in the last 10 minutes.

Yep. In the interview, Norian Quayle emphasized how scary and horny these giant nephalim really are. We're not the nephalim, the reason why God. God wanted that flood, the flood of Noah, to wipe them out? You wiped them out, but people don't understand there was an incursion, a sexual incursion, both before the flood and after the flood. That's why Genesis says, in those days and after those days. And some of the skeptics say, oh, these were the sons of Seth versus the sons of came.

Uh-uh. I got news for you. You can take anybody of normal earth origin, and they might have something that looks, you know, a little different than the father or the mother, but they're not going to produce. Normally six-foot people don't produce 12 feet tall giants. And remember, the body mass is proportioned. These aren't just tall, like some of the images of the tallest people recorded in history in this, you know, in the, let's say, the last 200 years. But these guys have huge, I'm talking, huge bicep.

I was talking to Mario. They're like human dinosaurs. At well-stated. There must be a name. There must be another name that we could think of than human dinosaurs. If only there was something that we could think of a word. Also, I'm thinking of like, dinosaurs not known for their biceps. I'm going to throw that right now.

Just trying to find a word for something big and extinct. It's just a dinosaur. Some kind of really large human lobster. And, yeah, some skeptics even say that the flood was actually just mass. nuts from each of these fallen angels. I like how in the beginning he's like, but to see, here's what a lot of people don't get. Yeah, exactly.

He's like, what a lot of people don't understand is. Yeah, they don't understand. Like, there's a lot of people who accept the giants and everything, but they don't get that they're sexually aroused. Like, most people, they accept the giant story, but they don't accept my theory of the sexual element. It's like the trees, like the ants

and Lord of the Rings, except, you know, sexual style. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Human trees, the tall ones. And everybody knows that, you know, the size of your biceps totally correlates to sexual prowess, horniness, that stuff in general. I mean, it kind of sounds like what he wanted to say was something a little bit different, but maybe thought better of it. Kuala and Nouri soon invite a guy they call the pilot on to speak to them on the show. And this guy claims to have seen the corpse of the giant as it was being transported out of Afghanistan. This story would later also yield this book, Long Walker's Return of the Nephilim, and you can see here a little illustration of troops standing around a giant.

It looks like Blanca from Street Fighter. Yes. I mean, it's an interesting illustration. I wonder who drew this. They're not very wowed by it, I have to say, the troops. They're sort of clinically looking at it. One guy's kind of got his hand on his chin going, hmm. They look like the troops, though, where they're kind of drawn.

Like, I mean, well, they all have, like, can't kill. And also, they look like, you know, those are really, like, psychotically fawning portraits of Trump or whatever, where he's, like, having sex with a construction worker or something and, like, holding a baby and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, they look like that. It's a good drawing. Yeah, it is. Although I really do think, I mean, I think that's, I think this is from Street Fighter because you have Gile in the center. If you zoom in with the guy with the sunglasses, you can see him, that's Gile.

The guy just takes Street Fighter templates. It looks like a state. It really does look like a stage. Yeah, it does. It's a stage. Look at this. You've got the people moving in the background. You've got the cargo military jet. I mean, you've got the boxes. The boxes piled up. You could use an environmental, you know, like, element to hit someone at some point. You could take one of these boxes or, you know, maybe like throw them into the plane. And they did say that these Nephilim are charged with electricity, right? I mean, that's one of their powers. Is it? Wow. Maybe they're related to Raiden. That's a different, that's Mortal Kombat. Sorry.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but probably that makes sense. It is, but could be Blanca and Raydon are, yeah, cut from the same cloth, two really good guys, actually. Some people think they're pretty bad, but Blanca and Raden are very good guys. We had a fantastic conversation with Raden recently, and we're doing a lot of great stuff. A lot of great stuff with Rated. He's coming out. He's teleporting. He's going down into the ground.

He's coming back, and he's shooting lightning out of his hands. But they re-did the universe. They made the fire god made a whole new universe, and we're not so sure how good it's going to be. We're not so sure. We've got to try it out, though. A lot of people are asking why this oriental fellow, he speaks with a French accent. We don't know why. He looks French.

He speaks French. But his eyes, there's no pupils. Gilely got the upside-down kick, and now he could kick upside-down. Probably because he took the vaccine. And now he's kicking upside-down, and some people don't know if he could kick right-side-up. But a lot of people are saying he's kicking upside-down into Blanca. Okay, so this is the coast-to-coast introduction of the pilot by Norie and Quayle. He's a pilot.

He goes into, flies in and out of the war zone into Afghanistan, et cetera. And he basically is asked to fly unusual cargo, the gentleman that come on to brief he and his co-pilot. And I think maybe there may have been one other individual. He can clear that up. But they take away their cameras. They don't want them to have any cameras or anything. I don't know if this is military intelligence or whatever. But this is the guy that's flying the airplane that I'm showing as a cover to the Longwalkers.

And since his name is not in the letter, I'm reproducing that letter. And I think it's fascinating, George, that he would want to come on and tell his story. Because, again, we're not talking about something that's ancient bones. We're not talking about something that's, quote, unquote, just legend. We're talking about a real evil entity, and he'll relate to you the story of what the special forces guys told him of what they found in the way of the remains of the normal group that was going into the mountains of Afghanistan to find. the Taliban. In essence, when I say these are not usually nice guys out of fairy tales that they're cannibals, I'll let him tell the story. And again, we're just going to refer to him as

the pilot. Just the pilot. We'll go to him now. Hello there. So a lot of a do and he brings on this pilot guy. And unfortunately, the pilot is a really bad storyteller and seems to be quite reticent to claim anything as fact, perhaps because he now realizes he's on national radio. He explains that he saw a 12-foot, 1,100-pound extremely stinky corpse in the fetal position, partially covered by a tarp and tied to a transport pallet. By his account, the corpse was pallid white, had red hair and six fingers on each hand. Which you would expect, though, the Nephilim would have to have mad finger game if they're coming down to, like, you know, woo the ladies.

They have to have an advantage other than the height. The pilot then gets into the people who killed the giant and brought it back to the base. A spec ops team, he calls the babysitters. The babysitters, what I called them at the time, the babysitters who had come in and out of the mountain, not sure if they were shooters, well, they would claim to be shooters, and most of those guys do. But they basically said that when they got this thing, it had actually taken out the first crew that had found him, and they went in afterwards, and of course, when they came up on this thing, supposedly, of course, secondhand, thing ran like the wind, reported us that threw stones at the guy. at a pretty good distance, so they said. And, of course, our weapons did take it out because I was looking at this dead thing.

I see what you mean about the storytelling. Yeah. I'm not sure I understood any of that. He's not great at getting to the point, and he's constantly being like, well, so they claimed, and that's what these army guys always claim. Like, he kind of tries to tell George Noreen Quayle

that army guys are constantly lying about killing giants. Like, that's just like one of those things, the Speckops boys come back, and they're like, yo, we kill the giant out there. The giant throwing rocks, that does track. I mean, you know, I feel like, you know, most giants portrayed in popular culture and fiction, we know them as rock throwers. So I don't know. I think that does add a little bit of credibility to his story.

Well, it doesn't really make sense because the rocks never come back. And in all the, like, subsequent depictions of this, it's a spear that he has. So if he has a spear, why would he be throwing the rocks? Well, I mean, I don't know, man. Like, like rocks and spears have different situations, different times. Tactics. Yeah, I think it's an appropriate interpretation, actually. I mean, have you ever served? Have you actually ever served, Julian? No. No.

In the giant task force, the Nefahim squads. Nefahim. Nefahim. Neffaheim. What do they call that? The Nephilim. Nephalim. It is the man who attempts to own that is now owned.

So Quail gets quickly impatient with the. pilot, because he's not performing as needed, and he attempts to jump in to make the story spicier. If you remember, pilot, when we talk, you said that basically when the second team, the special horses guys went in to kill this thing, they were basically, what, ripped cages and skulls? I mean, it looked like, what, the killing fields? I would call it the standard stories that come in out of these guys.

Again, like I said, it was secondhand, but the way they painted it out, yes, this guy was eating probably more than our guys with the killing fields that he's done. Are they more or less described? He just sucks. Like, it's like, fuck, man. He's like, come on, buddy. When we were having beers in my garage, you were telling me about the gore and the skulls and the spines. Don't you want to say any of that on the air?

You were right about it. He just doesn't want to say it on radio. Yes. Yeah, he's like, dude, I usually just show off over a Budweiser, but this is going to get me into trouble. It's like he got dragged into the cafeteria the next day when you're kidding. You, like, have a big story. And then everyone's kind of actually listening to you and you get really shy. And you're like, yes.

Well, I didn't actually meet, you know, my chemical romance. I just saw them. Yeah. They were near, they were near me. I didn't meet them. It's live on air, too. So he can't, like, they can't be like, okay, wait, pause, pause. Like, go chug like a quart of whiskey and come back.

Yeah. And give it to give this to us again. Unlike this interview that we're doing now, where we've all taken care of that. Yeah. Everyone's on a good quarter and a half. Yeah. So Quails and Securities about the interview. and his pilot that he brought on the show

continue to grow, and he finds himself attempting to justify himself to George Norrie, even explaining that he almost had someone even better than the pilot on the show with him. At one point, George, I was almost to the point of having an active duty poor star come on your show with me until a couple of people on a stupid blog ruined it, okay? And he said, Steve, he said,

I know what you want to do, and then you'll enjoy this pilot. He said, I know what you want to do. I know how badly you want people to understand the peril. But he said, I have to tell you the same thing Jesus said. He said, Jesus said, if I've told you earthly things, you believe me not, how can I tell you a heavenly thing? And see, George, even to get your mind around this, it's one thing to deal with a dead one on a palate. It's another thing to even embrace 300 million of these things or more coming through Stargates of people actively having rituals in which they sacrifice live children to these things

in rituals to bring forth the army of the end times to destroy humanity. Which Old Testament book has the Stargate again? 300 million giants coming through a stargate to like eat children. Yeah, is that a potential Ezekiel's wheel interpretation? I'm a little rusty, but I remember it was a mediocre show in the late 90s. Oh, that was the Episcopalians. They added that one. Okay.

I thought it was Romans for a second. But yeah. Because for a second, I'm like, well, what's the peril? They killed the giant. But he's saying that there's 300 million. leave he said. Yeah. Yeah, 300 million are going to come through Stargates. They're going to be you're going to have to sacrifice your children to them

and they're going to usher in the end days. Okay. Look, and that's if you don't deal with the problem now, okay? Because if you look, if you don't accept my quote, somebody's just going to come back here next week when the thing calls apart and going to charge you twice as much. When was this recording? Was Stargate even in the public consciousness?

Yeah, 2008. Oh, yeah. Okay. So Stargate, not only movie, but also a show. Stargate has G1, yeah, that's right. All right. Not a bad TV show, not a bad TV show. Because, like, in the movie Stargate, like, they were just really worried, you know, if anybody was going to come through the Stargate, it was just going to be, like, a bunch of,

like, hungry people who were, like, enslaved by this, like, alien race. So, you know, they're really not that threatening. So those were literally, like, the only usable or interesting passages from this first appearance, but this still somehow spawned the story of the giant of Kandahar. It was so crappy. But it would be carried forward with more gusto by another Nephilim enthusiast, a crank who goes by L.A. Mardzuli. He interviewed several anonymized people who claim to be ex-military,

fleshing out details of the story on a program called Politics, Prophecy, and the Supernatural. I just, I think you're mispronouncing. It's La Marzuli. He's a magician, like an old style vaudeville magician with that name. He does look that way. If you scroll down and see him. He straight up does look like a fucking old-school magician. He's the great Marzuli. And if you listen to him, he'll blow your mind with tales from the Stargate. Ladies and gentlemen, if you would please join me across the street at the Pantages, La Marzuli.

Unfortunately, Mardzuli's interviews are also fucked up because he pitched the subject's voices down solo and used such intense music that it's almost impossible to understand what is being claimed in them. So instead, I've got a more modern retelling for you from a. YouTuber who is I think cribbing from all this stuff that came before him. But before we get into that, it's worth hearing how Marzuli tried to connect the American incursions into Afghanistan with the idea that they were preparing to fight giants. There's another point to the story that I find really interesting. And this has to do with the second witness. Why this man was in training, they were taught how to fight in a cave. Part of their training was cave fighting. They were informed that the Afghan soldiers hold up in caves. And that once a

they were deployed they might find themselves fighting in caves. You may remember the events of 9-11. We were given graphic illustrations of Osama bin Laden's cave complex. It was on the cover of time magazine. What was interesting about this part of his story was this particular soldier who came on the record informed us that during the training the men were told to aim high. In other words, soldiers are taught to aim for the chest and then shoot for the head with the second shot. In other words, soldiers are taught to aim for the chest with the first two shots and then a kill shot to the head, which would be standard military procedure in a firefight. There was something else. Why would the training change the basic military precept by

instructing the men to aim high? We found that incredibly interesting. The second soldier told us that he didn't understand this at the time, but later, once deployed to the Kandahar province in Afghanistan, and hearing about the giant, he put two and two together and figured out that the training was because the military may have believed there was more than one of these guys running around. Running around. I like how you have to be trained when a combatant is taller to shoot higher. Also, he sounds like Kevin Costner and JFK, up back into the left. Up and in the head. Yeah, he said it like three times. I don't know if he did a retake there in his own video or forgot to cut it out, but he really wanted you to know that part. Yeah, it's incredible. And

like, he is referencing, remember that amazing diagram of the supposed cave that Bin Laden was going to be found in? It was fucking awesome. It was like a child's drawing of like a dream house where there's like Several rooms where it's like, this room is the arcade room. This room's the pizza room. Like one of Stephen Beasley's incredible cross-sections. It reminded me of a toy, Star Wars toy, where there was a Death Star, and then you opened up the Death Star, and it was, like, different levels of the rest of the movie was inside. And you could see, like, each layer, like a cake.

You know, there was, like, Mos Eisley, and then there was, you know, blah, blah. That's what Osama had. He had a Death Star with different Star Wars maps inside. I'd have to go back and look at that drawing because maybe one of the rooms was extra tall. So it makes you think. But, like, okay, if we're taking this guy's word at face value, which we don't and we shouldn't. But, you know, why wouldn't they just say, okay, you guys, you're giving top secret clearance. Like, there's going to be giants.

Here's how you kill them. They wouldn't just say, like, you're going to be fighting regular guys, but maybe aim up. Look, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, don't be surprised if you have to aim well, why? I mean, is it, are they using somebody? Well, look, I can't, I can't give the whole thing away. Just, I'm just saying you might want to aim a little high. Well, you're my commanding officer. Well, and this doesn't really make that much sense because if you're fighting the Taliban

and then you encounter a giant, you're going to get murked by the Taliban by shooting over their heads until you meet a giant. So it's really not great for just general combat. What's the story of like how they get to the, because I'm curious how like they end up in like the Taliban stronghold of Kandahar is like where they locate this taking place? Yeah. So do you have any like? like, information about why maybe it doesn't make sense for them to even be there?

Well, first of all, I'm curious, like, what is the relationship, supposed a relationship between the Nephilim and the enemies of the U.S. forces in Afghanistan? Is it that the, that the talent, are they fighting them as well? The design represents the, um, the, the, the, is it like 300 where like, you know, the shots of the Persians and then there's a big orc that, you know, they just have? I think it's more like a PVPVEE situation where, okay, you have. where you have your standard enemy, right? The, you know, the Taliban.

But then there are like other sort of enemies on the map that don't really fight for a particular side. Oh, yeah. Like, this is like a League of Legends bullshit. Sure, yeah. Okay. Yeah, well, I mean, that's interesting. I just still think it's amazing that they were like,

they were like, we're going to give you bad tactics to fight, most likely the most common enemy that you'll face. But we're going to give you really good strategy to fight, like, this enemy that may or may not appear. God, that's so funny that the smoking gun is that they told them to aim higher when they're in a cave. That's so funny that that's like the proof. I love that.

I like cave fighting, too. The idea that that's some sort of different form of fighting. Cave fighting. It was like, oh, man, it's kind of dark in here. What are we going to do? I wish we had some kind of goggles, you know, the army could give us sea. Yeah. I wish we had some other horrible campaign that we had run in another country that,

dealt with fighting in dark tunnels where we were at a severe disadvantage. If only we had listened to what those guys had told us. Well, that wouldn't work because there were, unless I'm reading this wrong, there was, there's no claim here that any other war we fought had had Nephlin. True. Unless some of the Vietnam soldiers were getting like really racist, which also, what were the Nephilim doing in the 1980s when the Soviets were there? Like, in whose side were they on? Well, Stargate didn't come out until the late 90s. Fuck, right. So, wait, what about? Kurt Russell Stargate.

I think that was 95? Yeah, so they wouldn't, so the movie spawned those Stargates, and so it was post-USSR involvement. Because once something happens in a movie, it gets instantiated in the real world, like, thereafter. Well, and then the TV show comes out, so then you're even more in the thick of it. That's the 300 million.

Yeah, 300 million, and now they're horny. They want to make sexual incursions. 1994, excuse me, I was wrong. Okay. So what is the story of the giant of Kandahar? And for that, we're going to be checking out a YouTube show hosted by a guy in a I Heart Cops t-shirt and a laptop with a black rifle coffee company sticker. Oh, fuck yes. Here he is addressing his ex-green beret friend, Matt.

Matt, I would say that if you were walking into the mouth of a cave with a missing unit and you see shards of clothes, some chunks of flesh, and a battery, would what are you saying to your guys i'm saying something went wrong and we'd be prepped and get ready for a fight yeah yeah you guys are you guys are like along the lines of like operation red wings some shit went down and we need to we need to get close and we need to pay attention to what's happening right so you're like in your brain you're like condition yellow like you're ready like it's time to go right so these guys move on to this cave opening and they get towards the mouth of the cave and they're following the chunks of this missing unit and then all of a sudden this giant of a man that they say stood 13 feet tall approximately 1100 pounds a figure a beast with six fingers and six toes

red hair lunges from the cave with a spear and of course it's ginger right which we're going to get to we're going to get to because the giants that were found in north america and the giants that were found in Ireland and Scotland all have red hair. So that's interesting. Interesting. So the first guy, Dan, gets impaled by this spear and he dies. A fight ensues.

They shoot this thing in the face. They all mag dump. Oh, no. There's a lot to discuss just from the visuals. Okay, so there's one guy on the far left side of the screen. He's kind of standard YouTube-looking guy. The guy in the middle is the host. He's the one with the Black Rifle Coffee Club and a little gavel and other things that I'm sure he thinks make him, you know, impossible to forget when you see his videos.

And then on the furthest of the right, there's a guy who looks a bit like Jeremy Strong and has a flag in the background and then two dangling steampunk light bulbs just next to his head. What is going on with those? It's not a lamp It's not one light It's not one dangling bulb It's two dangling but like he's having two ideas Occur to him while he's in the video They represent both of his brain cells

It's so bizarre And I love so the last thing I'll say Is that I love in the clip They're laughing about the ginger joke And then the guy in the middle's like Well but see the thing is is that actually most giants are When they are found they tend to be ginger And then the two other guys like

They like get it together as if they've like The teacher told them don't laugh And they're like, oh, that's, oh, it's interesting. Yeah, that's actually fascinating. Worth considering. Yes, sir, yes, sir. You'll notice that there's a piggy bank in both the left and middle guys' background. So they're all about fiscal responsibility, I'm guessing.

And the guy with the two simultaneous ideas, he also, he's angled his camera so that you can see almost the entire flag that's draped in the background. But as a result, he's, you know, significantly lower on the screen his head is. So in comparison to the other guys, he sort of looks like he's like, poking up from underground. He would definitely have to aim higher, were he in the cage? Yeah, he definitely would to take on these two giants. Yes.

Maybe it's role-playing. Also very baffling in this imagery is that the guy with the I-Heart cop shirt has a picture over his shoulder of Casey Anthony. The woman who is charged with killing her toddler was eventually found not guilty of that. But, yeah, that is a baffling choice for hosting a podcast. Just a picture of Casey Anthony right behind you. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, that's totally normal stuff.

Can you not see mine? I have, I'm in the way, but you can now see mine. Yeah. Casey's everywhere. Men put her on the wall all the time who are normal. He has a hat that says, I lovearguments.com. Oh, good. Which I can't even look into.

Forget it. But he's a guy. He's a dude. And they're cool. And, I mean, this is a pretty straightforward story. Dan got speared and they mag dumped. Like, what are you going to fucking say? They mag dumped.

And I like how he said. said that what they saw was the 13 foot guy and then that he had six fingers like in the middle of combat with a giant they stopped and counted how many wait how many i just need to see is it five oh shit yo it's like the princess bride guy it's just like why would you it's because you're clearly working backwards from the the legend it's like why would you stop and notice exactly one more finger on the hand you know of the giant that you're fighting i don't know if i would pick up on that in the moment but i'm not a troop yeah this this whole story is like if you started an exquisite corpse with the feet.

And it's like, it's kind of just all like reverse engineering, very awkward. But it is carried to this day by Lamazuli, my favorite coffee machine. And he still makes YouTube videos. Like there's a recent one in which he reads a skeptical article about his claims

and explains that he's under attack by the deep state. So let's get into this story and walk through it. A 13 foot monster with red hair and hands with six fingers whose home was in the Afghanistan Mountains was allegedly killed up and covered up by the U.S. government. Killed up.

That is according to a witness who claimed to have seen the killing in a YouTube interview, which has since been deleted. The military contractor claimed that had been present during the brutal slaughter of a killer he called the Kandahar Giant. In an interviewer, in an interview with YouTuber L.A. Marzuli, during my presentation, I circled back to the Kandahar Giant and talked about the way the game is played. When Richard Shaw and I released that in Watchers' 10,

It was unbelievable. The blowback that came, the pushback. I was contacted by a guy, which I could only assume was from the deep state, who told me in the first, you know, minute basically threatened me three different ways how they could destroy me. And I publicly, I did it there at the conference, and I've said it before. I publicly went out with it. So, you know, if I get arrested and they find kitty porn on my phone, you know, I don't have kitty porn on my phone. Rewind.

Oh, Lamarzuli's greatest trick. Oh. He did say the word, though. Blowback. He said it. Yeah, he said a lot of interesting stuff. Which means he, I believe him and he's an ally now. Well, the average listener to your show always says this.

If they find kiddie born on my phone, it wasn't mine. It's the deep state trying to take me down. When was that video? When did he say that bit? This was 2022. Okay. Yeah, that's very recent. I was trying to see the books on his, like his desk.

It's a kind of chaotic desk he's got there, but I think it's a book called Top Secret slash magic. Yeah. Magic with a J. I don't know if that's the correct spelling. But, or if there may be references of an alien. I think this looks like it's a book about aliens. Yeah.

Majestic or Majestic 12. Yeah, something like that. And then he has another one just called The Mound Builders. I think he also has a bunch of like Indiana Jones like prop replicas scattered about to sort make it look like he's in some kind of, you know, archaeology, like office or study, something like that. It seems like it's very hard to get. I wonder if he has to move a bunch of things around just to get into his little position, you know, for his videos. Seems like it's a tight, squeeze in there. He's got some filing cabinets of stuff that he will someday be accused of

having that he never had. Yeah, actually, he had a group of aliens in there, and the FBI went and replaced it all with child pornography. So, between Steve Quayle, This guy and the three dudes that you saw, you can tell why this story just has not really taken off. And honestly, I think it's a cool story, so I hope somebody picks it up, like maybe the giant himself, or just somebody who's tall and has red hair. That would be enough. I honestly feel like you could get Mike Cernovich to believe in it. He might be a Nephilim. Yeah.

He might have kitty porn on his phone. Oh, my God. Satire. I love satire. Brendan, Noah, let's talk a little bit about the real Afghanistan, a country defined not by giants, but instead by geopolitical giants over the course of the last half century and beyond. Oh, I see what you did there.

Oh, yeah. Great seg. Great seg. That's a segue right there. I want to start with the idea that religious extremism, especially Islamic fundamentalism, wasn't always a huge defining force in Afghanistan. Could you tell us a bit about the country's makeup before? for the Cold War and why it shifted towards that, especially in relation to Operation Cyclone.

Yeah, the concept that Americans have of Afghanistan at this point, certainly, but even by 2001, and to a certain degree in the 1990s, was that of an already war-torn place that had always been racked with problems of, you know, a pre-modern culture, a medieval culture, and that it was just one of those places where religious fanatics are the guys in charge. And in fact, one of the big, you know, purposes of our season was to follow that portrayal or the supposed, you know, reality of Afghanistan that presents and find that in fact, more or less, that stereotype to the degree that it does exist is something that Americans made sure happened in the 1970s and the 1980s. Afghanistan up until that point was a sort of a neutral presence in the Cold War,

although they favored the Soviets and the Soviets favored them. America didn't have much of an interest in Afghanistan. We were much more friendly with Pakistan once it was created. after the partition of India for various reasons. And Afghanistan naturally gravitated toward the superpower right next door. They shared a border back then. It wasn't just Russia. It was the Soviet Union. So the Central Asian republics were right next door to Afghanistan.

And it was a developing economy. And there were many projects that went back a long ways to modernize the country. The British, before the Americans had always tried to sabotage those efforts because they got along better with the more traditional sort of mercenary, conservative tribal leaders in Afghanistan who were less interested in developing a modern economy and therefore one that could stand up to empires like the British. So, in other words, this was a very different type of place. And sometimes you get a bit of this on the internet, you know, sort of the meme that goes around of this is what Afghanistan looked like in 1978 or whatever. And it's, you know, women without any

religious, you know, mandated headgear or, you know, modern institutions and schools. And while that's no doubt compressing a lot of other facts about the country and the makeup of the country. The countryside was always far more conservative and religious, which was an issue for modernizers in the capital. It does say something basically true, which is that the image we have of it is, in fact, a creation of the United States, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and other allies that worked in the 1980s to overturn a progressive communist government that was too close to the Soviets by our estimation. And so they did this through something they called Operation Cyclone. So what was the idea here? Right. So that was basically conceit. I mean, Operation Cyclone was the name that was

given to what was sort of more generally called the Afghan op after Reagan took over. Because once that happened, you know, it wasn't all of a sudden we began arming the Mujahideen in 1980 or 80, or rather in 81. It was a process that had begun under the Carter administration and was sort of envisioned by his national security advisor, Zabigno Brzynski. And Brzynski, you know, he was a real hardliner. He wouldn't have looked out of place in the Reagan administration, were it not for the fact that he was a social liberal. But he got this thing going essentially at the critical moment so that by the time that the, you know, cowboys of the Reagan era arrived, they had this, you know, they were expanding the budget with the assistance of other people we talk about in the show, Congressman Charlie Wilson,

whose goal at that point, you know, throughout the 80s, is they say, look, all, you know, what is called Operation Cyclone, this massive coordinated effort to get Intel, weapons, other supplies to the Mujahideen is, from their perspective, like, scoring the biggest body blows directly against the Soviet Union that, you know, America has going in the, in the Cold War. And that is sort of what, you know, like, that is what Operation Cyclone is. It's just viewed as a way to use the Afghan battlefield. field as an opportunity to just try and, you know, damage the Soviet Union in that decade.

And so one fascinating tidbit in season four of blowback is the debunking of a myth related to the movie Rambo 3. Can you tell us what happened there? Unfortunately, talking about, you know, more Afghanistan sort of internet, pop culture side of things, you know, there's a very, very popular screenshot that goes around from the ending of Rambo 3 that, of course, contains the postscript to the film. This film was dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan. And people obviously know the general reference point, which is that we backed a bunch of unsavory religious fanatics at the time and touted them as freedom fighters only for them to later on forge a holy war against America. And while that is

all true, the actual postscript that you've no doubt seen online is a hoax. And there is no proof that after the 9-11 attacks, home video releases changed the post script to, you know, the story goes that they changed the post script from Mujahideen to the brave people of Afghanistan. And, yeah, there's just no, there's no evidence of that. There's no videotape that anyone's ever produced from, you know, from after 2001 or September 2001 that shows a new postscript. There's no reviews from the time. In fact, reviews from the time say that the film was dedicated to the gallant people.

So it was never dedicated to the Mujahideen. But as our buddy Will Medeker said when we recently spoke to him, you don't need a post script at the end of that movie to know that it was. dedicated to the brave Mujahideen of Afghanistan. It's one of the most successful and long-lasting examples of Hollywood getting in on the cultural moment and political moment to make a bunch of Vietnam movies, but about Soviet Union having their own Vietnam in Afghanistan, which is in fact a line in Rambo 3. And I, in a bonus episode for this season, spend a bit of time talking about Soldier of Fortune magazine, which spent a lot of ink covering the production of Rambo 3,

featuring an interview with Stallone. And I think it gives a good look at how, you know, like the, this, there's a reason that this myth is, you know, to expand on Brendan's point. And I think something that he's said before is like, yeah, there's a reason that this myth is so believable and that like, you know, there's a reason all these people would fall for what is probably one of the more effective Photoshop jobs of the last decade. It's spiritually true. Yes.

Yes, exactly. It could be true, though, right? Because the world is so crazy now, dude? Well, the Stargate, you know, depending on maybe there's a VHS from the other dimension, from the Nephilim dimension. Yeah, Rambo, just a shortened Nephilim. Yep. Yeah, they've just worn that VHS out. They love James Spader in that film.

He's awesome. So to give us a bit of context before we talk a bit about the USSR occupation of Afghanistan, what was the Safari Club? Sure. So the Safari Club was a informal but very real association of different intelligence agencies and military leaders across a wide variety of governments. And it was organized by a former senior French intelligence official. But the key players in it were the United States, Pakistan, and before he fell in 79, the Shah of Iran, Saudi Arabia, and South Africa. in Israel were involved, you know, to varying degrees. And it was called the Safari Club because its initial meetings took place at a safari, like a ranch in Africa owned by Adnan Khashoggi, a Saudi arms dealer, who was involved, of course, in supplying the Mujahideen.

And the Safari Club is a little bit of, you know, well, that just sounds like conspiracy theory babble, right? And it's like, well, it actually knows, a real thing. And we, you know, play the clip, or we rather we recount what a, uh, a, former Saudi intelligence chief said to a crowd at Georgetown in explaining it, which was to say, look, you know, in the 1970s, after Watergate, your government's hands were tied. They couldn't do anything. There was just too much scrutiny. And so they began working war and war with foreign governments to do the things that they would have previously done themselves. And so you can think

of the Safari Club as kind of a real place, location and network that was activated for people to accomplish certain goals, all of which were about fucking the Soviet Union up, which was the whole point of it, was the basis for the association. Those were all the operations these guys were doing under its ages. And it was, I mean, it was a very effective in a lot of the alliances that were drawn up from it. You know, for example, I mean, the U.S. and Pakistan, they endure to this day, incredibly in spite of, you know, many, many, many reasons, including two twin tower sized ones for those alliances not to endure. So how does the USSR come to occupy Afghanistan from 79 to 89. And what was the United States involvement in that decade-long conflict?

The Soviets invade Christmas, 1979, Christmas by the Western calendar. And it was ostensibly under the terms of a treaty between Afghanistan, the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, which was a socialist, Marxist government at that time, and the USSR to stabilize the country. That much is true, although the Soviets were actually quite keen on removing a particularly bloodthirsty strong man who identified as a communist but had a lot of strange to this day sort of unresolved associations with the CIA who was chopping off a lot of heads in what he called a revolution and what others called a coup. And the Soviets didn't like that at all. They were partial to a moderate socialist faction of the Afghan Communist Party. And they wanted to get this guy

out of there. At the same time, they were also getting pretty nervous about what America had been doing before the 80s even arrived, which is for the majority of the 70s, as the British had done backing religious and fanatical elements within Afghanistan to fight the progressive central government. There was more than just the kind of proto-Al Qaeda types fighting the Marxist government and indeed the Soviet invasion that arrived in 79 onward. But the ones that came to the top, the commanders who eventually did really define and direct the so-called Mujahideen, the holy warriors, or just fighters, these were really criminal elements. and the guys that we picked, that Saudi Arabia picked, that Pakistan picked, and funded,

were guys like Golbadin Hekmachar, who was sort of the original figure who would throw acid in the faces of women for being un-Islamic. Ahmed Shah Masu, a drug runner whose, you know, paramilitary was known for sexual violence in prosecuting whatever battle they were in. Guys like Abdul Sayyaf, who was a mentor to Osama bin Laden, these were the fighters and the commanders that we, through the Safari Club and then a vast architecture of Operation Cyclone, that we pitted against the Soviet occupation. And so while the Soviets intended to only stay for six months or a year, and actually never really wanted to go in in the first place, if people listen

to the show they can hear, the great reluctance, the many, many votes that the Politburo had against going in, no matter how many times they were asked by the Afghan government. Eventually, things were so chaotic over their border, they thought, this is probably going to be bad, but it could be worse if we do nothing. And so right or wrong, and it did, of course, by many within the Soviet Union turned out to be a huge error. They decided to get involved. And they were not able to withdraw within six months. They were not able to withdraw within a year. In fact, it was a decade almost that they were there. And they sued for peace many times. They tried to bring to the UN within the first, second, third year, tried to bring peace deals. But the United States, they had a live one.

And Pakistan was using Afghanistan as their own wedge against India and control in the long war, the kind of cold war between Pakistan and India. Saudi Arabia was spreading its influence through the religious politics that were sort of reaching new and more toxic levels in Afghanistan. So a lot of people had lobbies, a lot of countries on the American side had reasons to keep this war going for 10 years. And indeed it did. And it cost anywhere from 600,000 or 500,000 to a million lives. And only until 1989 did the Soviets withdraw. And when they did, they did actually withdraw in a very orderly way. And the government that they left in place, stunned. everyone by surviving for several years and keeping things together. But the support for the

Mujahideen did not stop. And that's where you get into the 90s and the warlord years that toppled that cover. So QAnon supporters, you know, fast forwarding past, you know, the fall of the USSR and a couple of other big historic moments. But I should say that that's where we get the Taliban, by the way. It's what I should put at the end of that is that what people then think of as the Afghanistan that we met on 9-11. That's where that happens. Is the, continued support for religious politics or religious and criminal politicians within Afghanistan by the United States. The Taliban rise up to kind of control and put order to the country. We then welcome in al-Qaeda and, you know, off we go. And so the United States,

having basically forced the or, you know, encouraged the USSR into their own Vietnam as they perceived it, surely they wouldn't be dumb enough to then go into that country afterwards and start fighting the same forces, right? That's not what happened later under Bush. We would never do that. I find the idea offensive, frankly. There's giants there. Why would you ever go over there? Yeah, it's a dangerous place. You got to aim high. We aimed high, all right. So yeah, you know, speaking of this, like QAnon supporters, they often hate Bush and Obama, but then they love Trump. So can you just tell us a bit about how foreign policy in relation to Afghanistan evolved through those three presidencies? Sure. So starting with Bush, basically Afghanistan from the

moment that the war began was already like the unloved second child, even though it was the you know, it came before the Iraq war from, you know, like the ashes, Ground Zero was still smoldering and they were already figuring out like how we could go to war with Iraq. And you could argue, like, you know, there is, it is still up for debate, generally speaking about like, why did we invade Iraq? We know why we invaded Afghanistan, right? Like to go, to get rid of Al-Qaeda and take out, to eliminate Osama bin Laden. And ultimately, you know, we may, you know, it was a bad war goal, perhaps, but it was also declared we're going to, we're going to eliminate the Taliban. We're not going to make it possible for them to, you know, lay down arms. And the sort of

initial process as the war unfolded under Bush was like, well, the Taliban collapsed pretty quick and they captured Kabul. But they found that like essentially, while they could control and secure Kabul for the most part, they had no ability over, you know, the course of the first few years to actively, you know, secure the country in the long run. And when they did secure the country, it basically happened because they began relying on the same warlords or the sons and cousins of the warlords whom they had relied on years earlier, who, you know, would do things like use the U.S. troops and special forces to settle scores, you know, with rival clan leaders and things like that. And the Bush administration basically let the, you know, like the perspective, broadly

speaking, I think, like, shared in, certainly from Washington was that like the Afghanistan war was the good war. And so as the Iraq war became more clearly like a disaster, it became, you know, like the rhetoric and the message domestically was for people to, or was for like, you know, whatever the next administration would be to, you know, pay more attention to Afghanistan. And Obama came in promising that he was going to, you know, we're going to look at this again in Afghanistan. We're going to fix the playbook. And it ultimately, you know, it never really actually amounts to that. And in fact, like, like, the only thing that meaningfully changes in Afghanistan, aside from, like, you know,

perhaps, like, not perhaps, like, gradual reduction in troops, is that the Predator drone program and the Assassinations program, you know, like, the Predator drone program is the CIA's baby. It basically becomes, like, that plus the combination of, like, night raids, uh, quite famously, which became in time conducted by Afghan commandos that were trained and supervised by the CIA and other American military leaders, you know, these, these people, like, or rather these instruments of policy, like, that is what policy innovation looks like under Obama. You know, they cycle through generals, McChrystal, Petraeus, but, like, essentially, they, you know, they make this whole, you know, like, there's even, Brennan made this, you know, we talk and we go

through this in the show, but just how, you know, they made this whole to do about how we're ending the war in Afghanistan in his second term. And like, it doesn't, you know, it's not, it doesn't really happen. The war doesn't end. Our American troop presence is still there. So by the time Trump inherits it. He recognizes a stinker when he sees one and just immediately, you know, he, and the military leadership in a lot of ways agrees with him because, you know, they let it happen, the withdrawal. Like they agree that it's a failed mission and, you know, they've been there for a decade and a half already. And so it's under Trump that like, you know, like what becomes and it'll kick it to Brandon just talk about the fall of like the actual like, you know, Biden failure of it.

But like the key just I think of the Trump years was that like they negotiated and they made it clear they were going to withdraw, which is to say that like, so going into Biden, presidency, there should not have been any surprise at what was about to happen once the American military presence was removed from the equation. Yeah, I mean, under Obama, corruption got even worse than under Bush, if only because of accumulated, you know, year upon year of the way that we had set up the government under Bush. But corruption was getting worse. Obviously, as Noah said, drones were introduced. It became just sort of a fixture that the Obama administration kept saying it was going to fix and do the smart way, but never made any actual progress on. And so,

when Trump gets in office, he, as Noah said, recognized he could probably get a lot of points, although it's interesting that he didn't do it in time. He might have gotten slammed in the way that Biden did, but he thought he could win some serious political capital by getting us out of our longest war. And so he was very adamant to get negotiations going. And he did. There were negotiations in 2018 and 19 that bore fruit that essentially, you know, cut a deal between the Taliban and the United States. But what was trickier was getting a deal between the Taliban and the Afghan government itself. In other words, there was peace made between the occupier and the insurgency, but not between these, you know, legitimate government of Afghanistan.

And so Trump, you know, wasn't able to withdraw in time. That was left on the agenda for Biden. He did it. But he basically just didn't want to give the, this is boiling a lot down, but Biden basically his White House didn't want to give the appearance that the government wasn't completely ready to take over by starting things slowly in a staggered way, which, for example, is what the Soviet Union did. Oh, and also Biden hated Karzai, and there was no basis for cooperation between the two. Well, Karzai was long gone by that time. Sorry, not Karzai. I'm goney.

Yeah. There was a lot of enmity between, like, the Kabul government and the Washington at that time, as opposed to years earlier when Karzai, because the Americans were, you know, like, they viewed Karzai as being more important for the regional strategy. They leaned on him then. So there was also, there had been some drift by then. Yeah. And it was, uh, it was, you know, a very quick and pretty disaster.

astrous withdrawal. But the sort of point of our show and what made us actually want to do this season was you can certainly criticize that and many guests on our show do. But ultimately, it's very difficult to imagine how any withdrawal after 20 years of occupying the country was going to go down as anything other than a Taliban takeover. And I suppose you could imagine one version of it, but Biden and the White House didn't really seem that interested in avoiding it. They kind of let her rip. And so now we have the Taliban back in power all those years later. think that there's signs, I wouldn't want to say anything too quickly, but I think there's signs that we will be, you know, in a kind of frenemy status as we were before September 2001 with the

Taliban. There's things we're working on them with, and there's guys we're working on with who we said we would never work with before and after 9-11. So it's a very, very twisting and bizarre saga, but, you know, it may not actually be completely over yet. And so, like, I loved hearing Michael Flynn, General Michael Flynn's name come up because he's such like a big presence in the kind of Q and on supporter, idea of like the cosmology of power and heroes. But he comes up in a very different context on your podcast when he was actually very involved in relation to the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan and the occupation. I mean, I definitely think that, like, Flynn, it's hard for, it's really hard for people

to remember this now. But when Flynn was in uniform, he was viewed by his peers and by a lot of people who, you know, would consider themselves. And frankly, I would consider in the know, to be very capable. And he was very, very famous for, like, he became notorious, rather, where I think, like, you know, a legitimately public figure after a 2010 paper that he wrote that was, like, while he was the head of intelligence, army intelligence in Afghanistan, basically saying that, like, you know, doing a kind of John Paul Van, a sort of famous soldier colonel in the Vietnam era, who, you know, made a similar kind of, like, raging dissent just saying, like, we're losing.

This is bullshit. This is all fucked. And I think that there is a kind of interesting and sort of credible thread that you can link Flynn to, you know, and also Flynn's brothers are, you know, part like are on Stan McChrystal staff. And so when Stan McChrystal gets fired, the Flynn's lose out in power. So there is also like a kind of, you know, like Afghanistan perhaps had a big role in breaking Michael Flynn's brain because no matter how many people they killed, no matter how many quote unquote terrorists they brought in, nothing got better. And it was also where, you know, like his meal ticket. It got, like, really, you know, the careers got derailed for a time. Mm-hmm. And so, you know, another kind of big thing at the time when, you know, Obama took out bin Laden and a year and a half later, we got zero dark 30, which I learned on blowback was, you know, let's say, co-authored with the CIA.

So how factual is this movie? Perfectly factual, right? It's unimpeachable. You got James Gandalfini, you know, he's, I'll believe any deep state propaganda if you, you know, you give me James Gandalfini telling you the event. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's a state-directed, you know, official history baked into obviously a very high-octane thriller from Hollywood. And, you know, Catherine Bigelow's seems to have really found a niche in that with Hurt Locker and Zero Dark 30, or she did for a time.

She's a great director. You know, I love Near Dark and a lot of her other movies. But I think that they got really good at massaging, you know, state narratives or whatever you want to call it into really well done and slick Hollywood vehicles for these stories. So, you know, there's a lot in there about torture and how the torture regime led to the capture. And then the courier and the detective work, there's an entirely different bunch of reporting on the bin Laden, not just the raid and the capture, but on what his status was before he was killed that came from reporters like Sy Hirsch and Carlet of Gall of the New York Times that we cite more of in the episodes pertaining to that. I think one thing, like, zero dark 30 should be viewed as part of a, like, you know, pretty large universe of accounts from people who had a hand in staging the operation, the so-called operation to get bin Laden, and who, you know, I've all told this, you know, like a story that has been revised or falsified at various times. And I think that, you know, like a lot about what happened bureaucratically to find bin Laden, I'm sure, is very fairly represented. in zero dark 30. But I tend to, you know, I tend to believe like Cy Hirsch's account pretty strongly,

both because nobody has been able to knock down specific details from it. And, you know, if you believe Hershey's account, then like what you see in zero dark 30, it, you know, like the dog don't hunt. So, yeah. And just to be clear, rather than just saying it was, it was co-authored by the CIA. I just want to be clear. I mean, there's, it's been reported that the CIA has Hollywood handlers. Yeah. Jason Leopold's foyer and like showed that, like, Mark Bowell, who. wrote the movie. Like, you know, the CIA supervised the script. They wind and dined.

They wind and dined the directors. And there's an entire branch of both the DOD and the CIA specifically who consult with Hollywood in order to, as I'm sure maybe you guys have talked about this, in order for filmmakers to get access, not only to perhaps if they want, in their view, the most accurate up-to-date portrayals that, you know, may or may not be coming from the DOD and the CIA. But if they perceive that, they need access. Also, it can literally make the difference between you getting the proper, you know,

know, vehicles and locations and stuff. And that's, they're the gatekeepers for a lot of, you know, obviously very ambitious storytellers in Hollywood who want access to those kinds of things. But if you do that, you have to play ball. And if you want to make the, you know, definitive account of how we got bin Laden, you know, you may find it, I guess in, in Catherine Bigelow's case, she found it worthwhile to work with the CIA rather than forge a different, you know, narrative without their help. But that meant that they supervised the script. And they took stuff out and they added stuff in. And this happens a lot. You know, they don't have to censor. it after the fact, because most of these movies, including Transformers, they are writing it

with the studios from the get-go. And one last thing I'll say, like a quick fact is just the movie came out like 18 months after the raid. Yep. Like, I really cannot stress enough, like, how crazy it is that, like, we got such a, you know, polished Hollywood, you know, Oscar-nominated Hollywood version of that event, you know, that advanced such a specific version of events about how it happened and why it happened. It's what people didn't have for the Iraq War, you know, we talked about that in season one where there really was no reckoning or no, I don't know how you would reckon with that in some kind of tidy way as a country. But with Afghanistan, it was like, well, the war is not over, but we can kind of pretend it's over now because we got bin Laden. So there's conveniently a nice Hollywood movie to wash it down. There's, you know, the president that at least a much more liberal-minded block of voters could say, you know, finished the job and the war on terror. We can all kind of put that behind us now. And, and, you know,

It was, the film was definitely a part of that, of that kind of national hangover going away from the war on terror. And nowhere to be found is the Pakistani intelligence guy who defected and actually gave up the position of bin Laden, right? Like, that's all depicted as detective work. Yep, correct. That's like one of the key features of the zero dark 30 narrative is that like there was both torture and surveillance of a courier network that led to the capture of bin Laden. when the reality reported by Hirsch and also backed up by Carlotta Gaul, the New York Times, is that it was a walk-in who was paid. And, you know, like, the raid, you know, which means that what the raid was,

was cleaning up a loose end in a sense, was getting rid of the very inconvenient fact that bin Laden had been holed up in a compound with armed protection, you know, minutes from, you know, steps from, in the words of a fucking Zillow listing, steps from, like, the Pakistani West Point. Also, I would just say that the film is effective in a big way because it's not a daily wire movie, you know, I mean, to say the least. Yeah, it's not a Kevin Sorbo feature. It gives this sheen of, we know this is all kind of fucked up. You know, we know torture is fucked up.

And our fighters, you know, they aren't perfect. And maybe we shouldn't have done this. But damn it, this is the truth. And we're going to show you the real gritty, you know, unvarnished version. And in a sense, I mean, you know, that's a more advanced type of, I don't want to get on some big ad busters screen. But I mean, that is a more advanced and sophisticated type of propaganda where you do admit the kind of warts and all of things, which allows the viewer to then, you know, fall hookline and sinker for the more important claim, which is that this is worth it, even if we have to cry about it later, which is very different from the, say, the right wing red scare movies, you know, when it's a binary struggle. I think the propaganda has evolved with the times in that way. And it is effective. Yeah, you mentioned how there's nothing like this for Iraq because, I mean, even the Hollywood writers, I don't think, could make a cool movie out of Saddam Hussein being pulled out of a hole and hung in like a dark shack, basically. No, but they did make three kings.

That movie's great, but that that movie's great, but of course, it's before the Iraq War. And I think that the David O' Russell actually supported the war in the beginning because he thought, you know, after making three kings, you know, Saddam was a pretty unsavory guy, and he thought, well, this is a good thing. But the, the movie that, God, what was the movie we watched, Noah for season one? The Sean Penn Diplomat movie. Fair game. Fair game. And then they tried to make it like a sexy thing about the whistleblowers. Oh, yeah, the Valerie Plame thing.

The Valerie Plame affair. But it was, again, kind of localized. Which is like, in retrospect, was just like Scooter, it was like Carl Rove and Dick Cheney being catty dicks and fucking over somebody who was being mean to them in the press. But anyway, yeah, that that movie is an interesting case study. Well, I was just, I was going to say, I do think that you could make a a good Iraq war thing. I just think it's like, you know, what is the form of it? It would just have to be like a six-part, like, you know, come-and-see style. Like, it's just something that our culture is not capable of producing in like a really serious way on scale. Like, we make tons of huge war movies. None of them are meaningfully introspective. There was another, uh, lesser-known CIA op in, um, Zero Dark 30. I don't know if you guys know, but this was the transition of Chris Pratt as a kind of goofy, uh, sort of overweight, lovable, uh, tele Vision Show character into a mussely, sort of gritty, you know, leading actor type. Now, he would then

go on to star in the Marvel, in the Marvel franchise as Star Lord. And Chris Pratt is also, you know, he's very religious. He often talks about religion in his acceptance speeches, and that couldn't have been possible had he not sort of been portrayed as, you know, a gritty Navy SEAL in the Zero Dark 30 film. I mean, this, this was. the definitive moment when he went from TV star to movie star. The CIA probably also taught him to speak to raptors, because that is something that they've been looking into for a while. I wonder if that works on Nephilim, what he does in those movies, where he just puts his

hand out every fucking time. There's a dinosaur. He just puts his hand out. How stupid is that? We do need a Nephilim wrangler. So just to kind of wrap all of this up, basically, you know, in this story of U.S. involvement in Afghanistan, you've got rigged elections, you've got mainstream media cover-ups, you've You've got propaganda movies made by Hollywood.

You've got, you know, all of this kind of hidden cruelty and the support of, you know, extremist religious forces within a foreign country, all of which you see kind of scrambled up and fucked up in the Q&on lore. And so one of the things that struck me listening to season four of Blowback, which Blowback dot show, go check it out and go pay for it, good listener, was just how good you guys were at connecting the dots of often disparate events over the course of half a century. And what we're studying our fucking topic, which I regret to this day and it's been five years of my life now, is people attempting to do the same thing but failing horribly, you know,

falling for fucking blurry JPEGs and putting together connections that aren't there. And I know this is a broad question, but do you think that the explosion of conspiracy theories in the United States are a kind of blowback for the decades of propaganda, covert ops, And in a general sense as well, do you think people being so far off track is useful on some level to like the kind of military and or kind of defense deep state? I think one thing I say often nowadays when we get interviewed is that our show is obviously called blowback. It's a good. It's a punchy title. And there are times when we're looking at the clinical sense of that Chalmers Johnson term, CIA jargon, blowback, unintended consequences due to a policy of interference. But there's a lot of times when we find it's not that simple and that there's a little bit more. sinister forces at work that aren't simply, oops, you know, we did this thing long time ago and

now it's biting us in the ass. I think that's an oversimplification. There's a lot of examples of that misapprehension in this season, which is thought of as the Uber blowback. You know, the one thing everyone knows is that we gave these guys guns and stingers and legitimacy and then they do 9-11 later on, right? But I would say similarly that there's no doubt, you know, a incoherent politics in America that's festered and grown that, you know, you could spend, and you have spent, I'm sure, hours and hours waiting through and diagnosing in many ways. It's a failure of, I mean, it's what happens in a failed state. And, you know, smaller countries, less rich countries, they have this stuff too where you go out

on the street and you hear any crazy theory about what could be happening because the president fled the country, you know, or there's a new currency out and blah, blah, blah. It's not just the Iraqi dinars, you know, with the Trump reevaluing. Chaos and a breakdown of political coherence creates alternate explanations that are, you know, more satisfying for all kinds of reasons, gratifying all this. I would only add that much like how we find sometimes it's not simply blowback geopolitically or whatever in our show, I think there is also a utility in this incoherence that is obviously quite useful to the Matt Getses and the Marjorie Taylor Greens. We all know that. But I think it's, it's, you know, we know that not just QAnon, but even more like militant, I get, you know, I don't know all the different permutations of QAnon, but old-fashioned white supremacist groups, you know, there's FBI informants who turn out to be leading the groups for many years. There's a very complicated relationship, ironically enough, between the deep state and these, you know, movements so-called that are claiming to expose the deep state.

And so I would say that, of course, it's a symptom of a diseased political situation, but there are also ways in which there's been a lot of, you know, what do they call it, shit-coding, you know, and that you get QAnon talking enough. about stuff, if you, as I'm sure you found, you slip a couple legitimate issues in there, all of a sudden to talk about that issue in an unorthodox way, you're now kind of like, you sound like, oh, what are you talking about? I heard that in QAnon. Or if Tucker Carlson says that X, Y, and Z happened with something, you know, if he says the JFK situation should be looked at more closely, you know, then all of a sudden it's like, oh, geez, you think the JFK was shady,

when it sounds like Tucker Carlson. When, of course, I remember him saying that JFK conspiracists were cooks two years ago when it was useful for him to say that against the loopy left, you know. And so I guess my reaction to that is, of course, it's political rot, but it's also something that we find in our show, which is something that's, that's useful to certain, you know, unsavory parts of the public state and the, the not so public state that we live under. Yeah, I've always personally, at least, thought it was interesting that the intelligence agencies or the Department of Defense or anybody wouldn't, you know, figure out who QAnon is. I mean, if they, if they don't have the technical capabilities to do so, like, what are we paying for? And if they don't have the, you know,

the know how to do so, then I don't know, I've always thought that that was really strange that you have this, this sort of anonymous poster that, you know, is creating such a massive movement that's actually leading to pockets, pockets of violence and, you know, bigger events, obviously like January 6th, and yet, you know, the communications that, you know, have been foyer from the, or have been released from the government about QAnon are very vague and they don't really seem to have any interest in exposing who it is. Well, I also, I think that they have a, I don't, like, the FBI investigates cases and then it puts those cases together for prosecutors to follow through on indictments. So when the FBI is looking at QAnon and they're looking at,

Like, what are the indictable offenses here? They're not looking at it, like, you know, like they may rhetorically accept or, you know, appreciate and even in their communications describe it as a centrally derived, you know, like, you know, thing involving this, you know, pseudonymous poster or whomever. But the way that they will relate to it will be that, like, you know, somebody gets trafficked, somebody gets murdered, somebody robs a bank, something that falls into their jurisdiction, you know, like, and I'm obviously oversimplifying here. But then as they build a case and they go into these things, I think what makes it interesting and sort of how it's clearly revealed is that like they don't have a broader, a wider perspective on this. All you have are like teams of chuds putting together cases to try and see, you know, what they can make stick largely in response to like wherever external pressure happens to draw attention. With sort of January 6 being obviously like, you know, literally the A plus ultra. You could not possibly get that dynamic except on a bigger scale.

So the thing will just happen over and over again because, like, you know, none of the environmental factors are addressed. But because, like, the FBI's job here is not to actually investigate this thing. It's not even to punish people who commit meaningful offenses. It is to, like, collect evidence to build cases that can address, you know, whatever are the specific offenses that they are pressure to investigate. Much to think about, gentlemen, where can people follow you guys and subscribe to blowback? I actually have a request for Brennan on this one. Brendan has perfected of late his William Friedkin. And so I wanted to ask if he could do the blowback plug in his Friedkin voice.

Yes, please. Yeah, because the new exorcist came out, and I hear it's not so good. And so I was sending Noah from beyond the grave, like William Friedkin talking about the new movie. And I was just indulging myself. Okay, let me think here. All you have to do is go because, see, I'm going into Trump is the problem because they actually have a similar. Dude, oh my God, it's really close. I was just watching an interview with him very recently, so this is kind of freaky.

Okay, sorry, go ahead. When I recorded the podcast with Bill Bladdy and Noah Colwyn had a smaller role, but he was still very important. I said, you know, we got to put this on like a website. So I said, okay, here we go. Blowback.com. Show. That's where people sign up. You get a lot of bonus content. Um, you know, it's like, Wendy, sorry, I can't, I can't, no, no, it. Cut all of this. I am so

fucking zonked. I can't do a bit about William Freaking right now. Just cut all that. No. Very good. And it's all staying in. Go to blowback.com. Lots of extras. And subscribe to our podcast to watch the blowback hosts fuck up. This is where you can come see the bloopers. We've got the behind the scenes exclusive. Failure at the Friedkin. I would say not a failure. I would say I closed my eyes and I saw him. I saw him in an interview chair, you know, casually sort of gesturing and, you know, belittling the director of Drive and the other neon dragon or whatever it was called. We shot a scene for the DVD and it's a new scene and if you look closely, okay, behind Regan, the little girl possessed by a demon, if you look in the window, you can see a Nephilim. And we're putting it on the DVD.

It's called the version you've never seen. That's it. That's my, I think I brought it back a little bit. Okay, thank you. No, I, that was, thank you, Brendan. Thank you both for coming on the show, Noah, Brendan. Thanks for listening to an episode of the QAA podcast. You can go to patreon.com slash QAnonanonymous and subscribe for five bucks a month.

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They created a hybrid offspring who were called the Nephilim, or the Faute. They're referred to as the giants or the mighty ones. Some believe they were between 8 and 15 feet tall. This is handed down, not only in the Bible. This is also handed down in Sumerian languages that some of the gods had sex with humans and the offspring were giants. Mythology is full of giants.

And we have to look at these old myths. at these old meets with modern languages, change the world of angel into extraterrestrial. In the beginning of time, extraterrestrials had sex with humans. And the product of this sexual contact were giants. Is it possible that as geneticists continue to decode the human genome, they will find that among our various hominid ancestors

is a missing link to enormous beings from another. from another world. Ancient DNA is perhaps, for me, the most important area of study in all of my work, because there is the potential chance here that we could find direct evidence of the ancestors of modern humans.

I suspect we'll find lineages of a race of giants. Could it be that just like some humans have traces of Neanderthal DNA? There could still be traces of alien human giants that scientists have yet to discover. Ancient astronaut theorists believe the answer is a profound yes, and suggest further insights could be revealed in early Judaic texts,

which give a curious description of the world's first man, otherwise known as Adam.