QAA Podcast - Hunting for Noah's Ark in 2026 (E391)

Episode Date: October 2, 2026

Noah’s Ark has been discovered. Again. This time, the claim involves underground scans, a boat-shaped formation in Turkey, and a publicity campaign promising evidence that could vindicate Genesis. Travis, Jake, and Julian investigate Andrew Jones and Noah’s Ark Scans, the latest effort to establish the Durupınar formation near Mount Ararat as the remains of the biblical vessel. Jones’s fascination began with the extraordinary claims of amateur archaeologist Ron Wyatt, who also claimed to discover the Ark of the Covenant, Goliath’s sword, and the dried blood of Jesus. Today, Andrew Jones is trying to find the Ark with modern surveying equipment and help spreading the word from Lauren Witzke and Edward Szall. Along the way, we examine the flexible measurements used to make the formation fit the description of the Ark in the Book of Genesis, why this crew is so invested in finding physical proof of the Ark, and whether the Bible even says that the final resting place of the Ark is Mount Ararat. https://library.biblicalarchaeology.org/sidebar/measurements-in-the-bible-evidence-at-st-etienne-for-the-length-of-the-cubit-and-the-reed/ Subscribe for $5 a month to get all the premium episodes: www.patreon.com/qaa Click here to become a subscriber to Cursed Media today to get access to new episodes of Raising Hell releasing right now, plus our other exclusive Cursed Media series: https://cursedmedia.net Produced by Liv Agar & Corey Klotz. Theme by Nick Sena. Additional music by Pontus Berghe. Theme Vocals by THEY/LIVE (instagram.com/theyylivve / sptfy.com/QrDm). Cover Art by Pedro Correa: (pedrocorrea.com) qaapodcast.com QAA was known as the QAnon Anonymous podcast.

Well done. You found a way to connect to the internet. Welcome to the QAA podcast episode 391, hunting for Noah's Ark in 2026. As always, we're your host, Jake Rockatansky, Julian Field, and Travis View. Jake, I'm curious, you remember Noah's Ark being discussed much during your religious education? Why would you ask the only Jew? It was a famous story because it appealed to kids because there were pairs of animals in it. A giant flood. So if you were morbid and kind of imagined, you know, people being washed away, you know, that was something to kind of really, you know, sort of kind of sink your claws into mentally at least.

You know who loves Noah's Ark is freaking Cash Patel, am I right? Because he's having sex with the animals. Two, he's having sex with pairs of animals. Right, exactly. He's a unicorn in the threesome. Of course, of course. Yeah, so, yeah, I remember learning about Noah's Ark, but like not too much. I think Noah was a Jew.

I had a picture book. I think I read it like in a picture book. I think we had like a briefly when I was young, we had one of those illustrated like kitty bibles where it was just like the cooler stories like David versus Goliath. I remember, you know. Jonah and his whale. Yeah, Jonah and the whale.

That's very fun. How is he's inside the whale? He's alive in there. And Noah's Ark is always a fun one, you know? It's like they're going to wash away all my enemies and I get to spend time with animals. But then you watch the, the like Darren Aronofsky. I think that was

that was who it was with the Russell Crowe playing knowing you go, wait a minute, this looks a lot more intense than I was led to believe in the stories. I can't believe that they made that movie. What a beautiful world we live in. Yeah, I think that's generally how they treat like Noah's Ark because it's a really fun story for kids because it has a big boat and pairs of animals and there's a rainbow at the end. A family's working

together. Yes, exactly. It's a family working together. It's very, it's very cute. But then the story kind of fades as you get older and they're like a teenager and maybe start asking more questions, you know? Yeah, you like after the arc, how did they not get Habsburg jaw or whatever? Yeah. You know, how did we have such a small amount of people that we're all having sex with each other and we don't, I mean, I guess maybe that's why I have back pain. Yeah, because weren't they some kind of family to begin with? They were already, maybe, kind of.

It's not great when you think about the specifics of how it's going to go once you end up there with all the animals. Yeah, this all-knowing and all-s. seeing God doesn't really sound like he thought this through. Yeah, that's the real gritty reboot. Like, Noah starts eating the animals on board and stuff and develops like a brain parasite. Yeah, my theory is that Noah's Ark gives biblical literalists the biggest headaches. And to be fair, like, biblical literalism is a minority position even in the United States. I saw a Gallup poll that said only 20% of people, 20% of Americans, consider themselves biblical literalists.

Whoa, that's really low, actually. I wonder if it's just because Americans don't understand what it means to be biblical literalists, so they're like, I know. Yeah. So, I mean, it has some problems. Even if you, like, buy, like, everything else in Genesis, you can maybe you can even buy the idea that, like, humanity was started by two people in actual Garden of Eden. And maybe you could even get on board with the idea that the diversity of human language is punishment for building the Tower of Babel, which is a good one. Uh-huh. But when you tell people that, like, Noah built a boat that could hold and feed all of the animals on Earth, at least a pair of them each, and then Noah used this to escape 40 days and nights of straight rain, which covered the earth and water for 150 days, then, you know, even the most faithful will start noticing problems with the story.

And that's before you even mention that Noah was allegedly 600 years old when he boarded this boat. Oh, I didn't realize that. Wait a minute. 600 years old. Yeah. That's like, it seems like Russell Crow was cast a little young then. Yeah, so life expectancy is actually getting shorter? Well, I mean, surely you must have, must have remembered like, yeah, like the patriarchs discussed in the book of Genesis lived hundreds of years.

So Noah's just like an ancient vampire. He's like, I've been alive for so long. Well, yeah. I year for death. I mean, yeah, the idea is like for some reason in the like the pre-flood times, everyone lived hundreds of years and this stopped being the case after the flood. Yeah, after the flood. We never figured out how to live that long. That's sad that we lost that.

People stopped taking their college in, I don't know. Yeah. While researching these episodes, I learned that the medieval Jewish scholar, Dachmonides, all the way back in the 13th century, observed that there is no naturalistic explanation for the story. So here's what he wrote. It is known that there are great many beasts, and some of them, such as elephants, rams, and others are very large. Likewise, the creeping things upon the earth are very many. Noah was thus obligated to bring all of them into the ark in order that they may beget their like.

If you would gather a full year's supply of food for all of them, you would find that this ark and ten others like it. Could not hold it. Ah, he's an early Travis few. He's debunking it. Wait a second, pal. The story doesn't check out. Boo, boo, boom, stone this. man, kill this man. He's like, and what were they doing with all of the dung?

Yeah, where were they all shitting? God, that boat must have been, oh, God, it must have smelled horrible. That's how we got life in the ocean, microorganisms from Noah's, Noah's dung. God, imagine on a windless day, not only are you, do you not have a motor on board, so you're going to be just stuck like in the ocean fucking floating there, but then you got to smell the dung of thousands of animals. Yeah, it's a zoo down there. You literally have every size of animal shit

happening simultaneously on one boat. This is an unclean place. Can you imagine the kind of viruses birthing there if you got bat shit and pig shit and cow shit? That's probably how we lost the long... We used to live 600 years, but then we had to survive on animal shit on a boat for 150 days and all of humanity became like crippled with various issues.

Yeah, I mean, I love that. Yeah, the story is like so outlandish that even like a pre-modern religious scholar was like, oh, okay, this doesn't add up. I've done the math, okay? But I should mention that from this, Nachmanides doesn't conclude that the arc story didn't happen, but rather it was a miracle of small space containing a great quantity. We love to see those miracles. They happen. In the Bible, they do.

Well, I got to say, you know, honestly, I respect this approach so much more than modern creationists, which try to, like, take, like, literal readings of the Bible and then, like, try to make them make sense in light of, like, modern scientific rationality. You know, I relate. Mackinida's, like, a miracle of small space containing a great quantity. That's what I always say when I'm, you know, at the clothing optional beach. Please don't judge me. Now, today, many deeply religious people are content to treat the Noah's Ark tale as, some mysterious blend of allegory, divine instruction, and legend.

This is essentially the position of the Catholic Church. But there are still those who are committed to the literal reading. Some even make it their life's mission to uncover physical evidence of an actual giant ship built and piloted by Noah. Meanwhile, you're just like finding dinosaur bone after dinosaur bone, like tearing your hair out. Like, God damn it! When will one of these incredible reptiles that will never experience the presence of on Earth? when will they give way to a boat?

In 2026, the tradition of arc hunting is carried on by the organization Noah's Ark Scans and its founder, Andrew Jones. Andrew Jones, who is a software developer by trade, has been quietly working for decades trying to find evidence of the Ark. Like Ark hunters before him, he has made multiple trips to the alleged final resting place for the Ark, Mount Ararat in Eastern Turkey. To me, if it is Noah's Ark, then that's a big plus for proving that, you know, the Bible is true. If we start digging and find just natural layers of rock and dirt down there,

it would be very disappointing. I mean, I've looked at this and studied it and investigating it for half my life. Oh my God, it's it's so to see a shining mind like this, you know, it really makes me think I was born wrong. Like he's capable of joy. Like he thinks the world is full of treasures and he might unlock something sacred and fundamental. Like why why don't I feel that way? I am so jealous of that man? I mean, yeah, these sorts of people always baffle me because, like, he's, he's not a stupid person, you know, he had a, you know, successful career in, like, building apps and stuff. And he's, like, you know, he's literate. He can read. But he's so deeply committed to this literal young earth creationist view that he just, he just can't see anything outside of it.

I love the idea that if he just finds the right shit, that it'll make the Bible true. Yeah, yeah, I don't, you know, it's like, the other thing I was talking about is like, it's like, it's very interesting that like there are no like Jewish or Muslim arc hunters. It's like it's always Christians specifically, usually typically American evangelical Christians who are like really committed to like actually uncovering the ark. Well, you got to you got to do something. In the story, what happens at the end? What do they do with the ark once the flood subsides? Well, we'll get to that. But yeah, it says that it rested in the mountains of Erarat. That's all it says. Yeah. Okay. But you might have been hearing a lot more about Andrew Jones recently because

he got a huge publicity push over the last few months because Jones teamed up with the producers of the anti-vax documentary died suddenly. Yes. Let's not go. The crossover, no one asked for, you know, one thing Noah would agree with is no vaccinations. That's how all those animals survived all that time.

So that's where we're going to talk about today, how one man is trying to apply the latest technology in his quest to find Noah's Ark and how he's being assisted by people who are best known for their vaccine denialism, white nationalism, and QAnonon. promotion. This is perfect. This is another kind of like esoteric Nazi where, you know, you become like Indiana Jones basically in the process of your contorted beliefs. Before I really get, you know,

deep into Jones. I want to talk about some of the tradition that Andrew Jones is operating in. The reason art hunters go to Mount Ararat is because in Genesis chapter 8, it says that when the floodwatered receded, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. Now, already we have a problem because close readers might notice that the phrase Mountains of Erarat is different than Mount Ararat. Uh-oh. And according to scholars, there's no way that Genesis specifically is referring to that exact mountain. According to Heidelberg University's Faculty of Theology, the phrase Mountains of Errorat in the Bible actually refers to a much larger region than the modern Mount Ararat.

In fact, what is now called Mount Ararat did not have that name until the Middle Ages. Apparently, the word Ararat actually refers to Araratu, an ancient civilization that occupy the Armenian highlands. So this is what Heidelberg University says with some assistance from Google Translate. In the Old Testament, Ararat refers to a landscape or a territory. Oh, I know exactly what voice to do this. In the Old Testament, Errorat refers to a landscape or a territory. The name Errorat corresponds linguistically and factually to the landscape name Araratu, a testament. in uniform documents since the 13th century BC by Aratu, according to current political geography,

encompasses parts of Eastern Turkey, Armenia, and northern Iran. So this is a big difference. So Mount Ararat has an area of about 420 square miles. Modern-day Armenia, like by itself, has an area of about 11.5,000 square miles. So for most of the last two millennia, readers of Genesis assume that mountains of Ararat referred to the larger area, like a vast Armenian highlands, you know, thousands and thousands of square miles. So this is what they say is referring to. But starting in the 11th or 12th centuries, people started assuming that the specific mountain we call Mount Ararat was mentioned as the final resting place of the ark, even though it wasn't.

They've been looking in the wrong place all along. Exactly. Yeah, it's like, you know, it's funny. It reminds me that Atlantis, I think a Disney cartoon, where the big reveal is like, everyone thinks that is off the coast of like, like Iceland's really. It's Ireland. It's like a slightly different letter. I mean, all of this leads to just people going to place and look for boat underground, right? Yeah. Okay. Just to be clear, like what we're attempting to do here. Well, I mean, wouldn't it be nestled into the mountain? I mean, no, I guess not. I guess land would have built on top of it over the last, you know, tens of thousands of years.

Who knows? It depends if there's erosion in that area or if there's currently two plates being pushed together, which form the mountains in the first place. Because I think, I'm thinking I'm looking for a big ship way up in the sky between two mountains, kind of like it got caught in a, like a frisbee that got caught in a tree. Yeah, well, in the past, the sky was the ocean. So really, he was flying on a Final Fantasy style, kind of like, like, you know, a spaceship. An airship, you know? So just keep your mind open, Jake, okay?

All right, sorry. So really, like, arc hunting, sincere efforts to go to Mount Airat and find evidence of the ark, didn't really start until the 19th century, which makes sense because Mount Ararat is a big, scary mountain. Its peak is 16.8,000 feet and is covered with permanent ice and glaciers. Oh, my God. Just people up there slip into their death trying to catch sight of like an old boat. In 1877, the British academic and politician James Bryce published a book which contains an account of him

finding a four-foot-long, five-inch thick piece of wood during an ascent of Mount Ararat. Sure. Part of the ship. I've found it, boy. It's a piece of wood. Is that, hold on, let me smell it. Dry dung, it must be them. It smells like thousands of different animals shit. I can feel the bacteria crawling into my nose from the feces of 1,200 species. If they find that ancient fucking guano pile that is that boat, they are going to unleash the fucking Prometheus disease seriously they really

will now that's a good premise for a movie is that scientists think they've discovered the ark or they actually do discover the ark and it's containing some horrible beast that starts to eat through humanity boom that's a great premise yeah the guano has mutated over like centuries under

a glacier I mean it's the thing yeah so James Bryce's alleged wood plank convinced many of the United States they had found a remnant of the ark but in its own account he's less committal. Whether it was really gopher wood, of which material the ark was built, I will not undertake to say, but I am willing to submit to the inspection of the curious, the bit which I cut off with my ice axe and brought away. Anyhow, it will be hard to prove that it is

not gopher wood. And if there be any remains of the ark on Ararat at all, a point as to which the natives are perfectly clear, here rather than the top is the place where one might expect to find them since in the courses of ages they would get carried down by the onward movement of the snowbeds along the declivities. So I was saying like well, didn't find it at the peak necessarily we found it lower but that's where you would expect

to find an arc. The important part of this is that I have a piece of wood. What you take from this, my friend? That is an adventure that you and I are about to embark on. But just know this. The wood will not be leaving my possession. Yeah. I've chipped off a little piece you can keep

in your pocket if you want for good luck. But arc hunting really picked up in the post-war 20th century. This is a thoroughly modern phenomenon. And like many of the most annoying parts of American culture, it was pioneered by the French. Ah, yes. In 1955, French industrialist Fernand Navarra returned from Mount Ararat with an actual piece of timber for others to test and observe. God, it's just so, it's like you've set up a system in which anyone can just like grab a piece of wood and be like, yo, me too.

Yeah. So high on the mountain, Navarre says that he descended into an icy crevasse. According to Navar's account, his 11-year-old son Raphael encouraged him to dig. Daddy, Papa, you simply must dig further. We've almost found the art. Beneath the ice, he found dark wood. And Navar announced his conclusion in a book published in 1956 called I Have Found Noah's Ark. In 1965, Britain's National Physical Laboratory, Radiocarbon dated the wood, which placed it around 760 AD. Very old, but far too young to actually be Noah's Ark.

Still pretty cool. If like maybe you adapted to what you found, there's probably a fascinating story there. I'm sorry, it's not yours. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's interesting. How does this wood get on this mostly desolate mountain? You know, I think they're right. There's some interesting history there. It's almost certainly a cretan hit another cretan with a piece of wood. I mean, it's human history. What do you want? But worth looking into, nonetheless. The published result from the lab includes this note. Evidently not the Ark. Well, we got that official.

Evidently. It's really good, though, to still give that space to exist. It's like, listen, the Ark exists. It is out there, but this is not it. Very generous. Yeah, it's, you know, it's good to be the bigger, the bigger person and admit that it's not the Ark there. Arc Hunting was energized shortly after the discovery of the Duru Panar site in 1935. So this is a geological formation 18 miles south of Mount Ararat.

So not actually on Mount Ararat, but it's close enough for our hunters. I see we've entered into a mud fossil university type bit where I see the outline of what could be interpreted as a boat. Yeah, it has this sort of long, boat-like shape. You know, it's like it has, it's approximately 160 meters long with a raised perimeter and a pointed end. So it's like, well, you know, again, if you're doing, if you're doing a mud fossil university bake, then you could say it's Noah's Ark. You fools, this is obviously the vagina of a giant. But this is, yes, I mean, of course, Mr. Spurr, it could be interpreted as such. But how long would this, I mean, this is like a, you know, a satellite picture you've got included here.

How long would this boat be, if that were the case? Is it miles long? I mean, you know how many animals were on that, F, er. You got to make a big boat. he had like a three mile long boat? No, it was not three miles long. We'll get to the length of the boat. Oh, good.

All right. Oh, thank you. The Bible mentions the instructions that God gives to Noah for constructing the boat and includes its length, width, and height. I hope he gave him all the tools and hardware, too. Yeah, come on. A 600-year-old man making him do manual labor. Yeah.

Now, geologists might tell you that the shape was created by erosion of bedrock by landslide debris. But yeah, but since it's kind of shaped like a boat, this has been the focus of our hunters for roughly the last 65 years. It's shaped like a lot of stuff. Yeah, they landed on boat. It's, you know, it's a short drive from Mount Ararat, so that's good enough for them. Sure. Huh.

I mean, it's a place to start looking if you're so inclined. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's either a boat or it ain't. It could have disintegrated. It could have left a boat shape and maybe like beneath in that crevice. There's pieces of like decaying wood. I don't know. More like petrified, I think.

Yeah, petrified at that point, it would have to be. I don't know how that stuff works, and I'm not going to pretend it. I don't know how anything works. No one's life was changed more by the discovery of the Dura Panar site than a Tennessee man named Ron Wyatt. In 1960, at the age of 27, while Wyatt was working in a hospital as a nurse, he read an article in Life magazine about the site. And so it became a lifelong obsession. In 1977, he went on the first of what would be over 100 expeditions around Mount error at. That is so crazy to leave Tennessee to finally start traveling the world just to go a hundred

times back to the same area because you saw it in Life magazine. Holy shit. Americans rock. He saw a picture of this. This was like basically the first like public announcement of this discovery of this interesting moroc formation. He said like I'm going to dedicate my life to this and only visit this site. It struck him somehow. Honey this year can we just go to Cuba or I mean the Bahamas like a beach? No. We're going back to Mount Ararat. I found the boat, I swear, honey. This time, it's the 78th time we're going. It's going to be the one time where we find a piece of wood.

As you might imagine, these multiple trips made them a nuisance to the locals of the region for 22 years. Imagine some guy from Tennessee just shows up. And you're like, oh, how interesting. What a character. That's so cool. And then you're a hundred times in. And it's like, oh, my fucking God, it's the guy again. On different occasions, his trips resulted in him being attacked, arrested, kidnapped, and deported.

Kidnapped! Well, if you go 100 times, you know, you're playing out all the scenarios. It's a lot of replayability in that game. The 14 times described his strange archaeology methods. He surprised everyone, especially the farmers who'd carved them, by stating that certain boundary markers were actually anchorstones from the ark, with no evidence to support the claim. He then insisted that no evidence.

had established a farm to breed the animals he'd save. While outlining this farm, he discovered, quote, Noah's family burial ground. What's more, he claimed he'd found from radar readings chambers inside the ship used for penning animals. He found samples of fossilized wood

and insisted that he'd found fossilized iron embedded in the ship's side. Truth was, his metal detector was responding to magnetite, which occurs all over the region. Oh, boy. God, dude, being a local and just seeing this guy, point to something that you carved like last week and be like, well, we found the anchors for

the ark. We found the ark. I think it's even funnier if you imagine him with like a thick Tennessee accent, too. Despite the fact that Wyatt was obviously a crank, he managed to get sympathetic media coverage, like this story from WKRN in Nashville in 1985. In the rugged Mount Ararat region of eastern Turkey, Nashville and Ron Wyatt and his expedition team think they have found what this song is talking about. In fact, they believed this rock and wood and metal configuration was at one time this, a boat,

more than 500 feet long that was built by a man named Noah. What Wyatt found measures almost identically to the text offered in the sixth chapter of Genesis in the Old Testament. It was also found in the area where the Bible says the ark finally came to rest. What we actually have found is physical evidence that this is a boat. whether or not it's Noah's Ark is up to the people that review the material that's up to them to decide on that. My personal feeling is that it is Noah's Ark. Of course he's a hewethered guy. Yeah.

A he'll rather. Heather or not. I love that he's like, listen, it's going to be up to the individual, you know? The Ark is in the eye of the beholder, okay? Let's not bring up any specialists. Certainly no specialists get involved. Thank you. But me personally, I think it's the ark.

I bet he goes to sleep at night, and he's like, you know what? It's definitely the ark, and I'm satisfied. Yeah, he might have, I don't know. I mean, maybe he's passed since then, but I'm sure he stayed strong. Nothing like a belief to carry you all the way to the end. Ron Wyatt wasn't just limited to finding the Noah's Ark. He actually, he claims he uncovered a bunch of biblical reliance. about 92, actually.

They include Goliath Sword, a book written by Moses himself on animal skins. Whoa. Yeah. The dried blood of Jesus and the Ark of the Covenant. That's right. He found both arcs from the Bible. Yeah. Do you think he licked the blood just to see?

Yeah. No, he's seen Last Crusade. He knew better than that, you know, just in case he was wrong. In fact, Wyatt claimed that he met with the angels who guard the Ark of the Covenant, and they had some instructions for him. All right, now we're stepping things up a little bit. There are real angels, not just scratched pictures and stones, that are taking a very active part in doing this. When I found the Ark of the Covenant in that chamber, there were four young men standing in there.

That if I had met them on the street, I would have seen no difference between them and anybody else. And of them said, we are the angels that have been assigned to the Ark of the Covenant. And we'll tell you what God wants to done with this and will help you do what he wants done. Oh, you're asking me why there were four young men in the chamber at the time when you found me. Well, of course, they seem like normal boys to you potentially, but they were in fact angels. Ron Wyatt was so crazy that even his fellow biblical literalist thought, that he was full of shit. In 1999, the Seventh-day Adventist Russell and Colin Standish, published a book called Sacred Relics or Revelation, which has this assessment of Ron Wyatt's work.

Undeniably, this is an impressive array of discoveries. Indeed, if confirmed, these discoveries would place Ron Wyatt at the forefront of biblical archaeology by a wide margin. Since archaeology is a painstaking discipline, the discovery of such an enormous range of artifacts from Turkey in the north to Egypt in the south would represent countless thousands of, of hours of effort. We are amazed that a man who has been engaged most of each year in his profession as a nurse anesthetist can claim such a vast array of discoveries. Dude, that is so condescending.

You know what? I don't like their tone. It's designed to be like condescending. Because like, yeah, this was the book essentially aimed at people who also take the Bible literally, like some seventh-day Adventist. I know. You have biblical literalists being like, this guy's a whack job. Trying to convince other people, don't listen to this lunatic.

I know he's telling you stuff. want to hear, but like he's just off his rocker. This type of character is a hero. I do love like any kind of like far gone community, like biblical literalists having to deal with a guy like this. Yeah, and essentially like all he's really done maybe is watched like all three Indiana Jones movies and it's like, all right, well, yep, these are the treasures that I'll be, I'll be chasing.

Well, like many Americans, he's an inveterate and professional liar. Now, this brings me back to the modern day arc hunter, Andrew Jones. because Ryan Wyatt was the inspiration and personal mentor to Andrew Jones. The lineage. Yeah. According to Jones, he was a young teenager living in Sacramento around 1990 or 91 when he saw an advertisement for a talk by Ron Wyatt. Now, he couldn't attend because he had homework to do, so his father went instead. What?

You sent your dad? Yeah, I guess. I guess so. It's like, well. That makes sense. Yeah, you know, you're busy with your homework. I'll go, dude. I'll report back to you.

But Jones says that he was so intrigued that he read, Wyatt's book connected with Wyatt himself over the phone and even invited him out to speak personally. I was his early teen, so it was like seventh eighth grade. I remember my father went to the meeting and he came back and said, well, this guy said he found Noah's Ark. And so I wanted to learn more about it. And I bought Ron's book. And after reading, it was a small little book. And I wanted to have a lot of questions, want to learn more. So I called the operator 411 and they connected me through to Ron. and that started a phone conversation with him throughout my high school years. And finally, I had him out to Sacabino with some friends.

We invited him out twice in 95 and 96. And in 1997, I finally went out to the site as a tourist. Middle of college, I went out there. When you see the coast-to-coast AM clips start coming up, that's when you know that something has hit the big time. According to his project biography, Andrew Jones first visited the site in Turkey in 1997. returned in 2000 and began more extensive field work in 2013.

In 2019, he helped organize and fund ground penetrating radar and laser mapping surveys. So this is his main contribution to arc hunting. So he seeks out some of the latest technology that allows one to like detect what's going on underneath the surface of the earth and uses that to try and find evidence of the arc. Technology that we developed that essentially like disproved biblical literalism. Yeah. And then you're using it. Yeah.

The same technology people have probably used to find the dinosaurs, which are a little hard to explain. See, get it. This is why I respect, you know, Gnachmonides so much more, saying, like, listen, this doesn't make sense because it was a miracle. It's like, move on with your life, you know? Yeah, there we go. It's like just, just make peace with the mystery sometimes, you know. We need new miracles, Travis. Yeah.

Jones has done what Ron Wyatt could only dream of. He has lived in Turkey since 2020, full time. He's a full-on, like, Ararat nerd. Like, he's like a weeb. He's like a white guy living in, like, Akhabara. He says that he's living there full-time to work on university relationships, permits, and assembling the research team. Harassing any local academics. Well, think about Andrew Jones is that I think he has some batshit beliefs, but he's a little bit more personable than Ron Wyatt.

Yeah, people probably put up with him as kind of a fun kook. Yeah. His involvement also extends to tourism. He leads visitors, gives lectures, and help coordinate renovate. to the site's visitor center in 2022. He's become both an organizer of the investigation and a public advocate for significance. Now, I previously assumed that we had moved past the era

in which mainstream media outlets take arc hunting seriously, but I've been shocked by the coverage Andrew Jones has managed to drum up. His work was even covered last year by NBC's Today Show, who actually sent a correspondent to meet with him in Turkey. On in-depth today, the search for Noah's Ark. One of the Bible's most compelling stories, of course, well, now some American researchers claim they have found what they believe

is evidence of the ark buried in a remote part of Turkey. Well, it looks arc-shaped. Christian researcher, Andrew Jones, from California, says the dimensions match. In chapter 6 of Genesis, it talks about a 300-cubit-long boat, and that, if you use the Egyptian cubit, is 515 feet long or about 157 meters, and that's exactly the length of this boat.

shaped object. Say, what do you see, Sully? And Junk says he has fresh evidence. I mean, referring to him as an American researcher or a Christian researcher, he has no background in like archaeology or geology or even

like biblical scholarship. One nation under God, Travis. He's just a guy. He's just indivisible, Travis. If you don't believe in God, you might as well just say so right now, Travis, because I'm starting to get a little tired. I can't even bring my

itself to jokingly say liberty and justice for all. Jonas told the today show that the length of that rock formation roughly matches the length of the arc as described in Genesis. But he doesn't mention a few things that are not interrogated in that segment, which is what I'm going to trave out on today. Firstly, he got that 515 feet number based on Genesis describing the arc as 300 cubits long. So a cubit is a length from your elbow to your fingertips. So not a precise measurement, as you can imagine.

and, in fact, according to archaeologist Gabriel Barcai, a cubit in the Bible could refer to two different lengths. In fact, there were two different cubits. The long or royal cubit and the short cubit. Scholars have used various means to determine the length of cubits, more or less with success. The long cubit is approximately 52.5 centimeters, or 20.7 inches, and the short cubit is about 45 centimeters, or 17.7 inches.

What Andrew Jones has done, which is actually something he got from Ron Wyatt, is assume that Genesis is referring to the longer cubit, which is sometimes also called the Egyptian Royal Cubit. But there is no certainty about which cubit Genesis is referring to in that passage. And in fact, most authorities on this subject assume that Genesis is referring to the shorter cubit. So this is the explanation given by the United Bible Society's handbook on Genesis. They should have never let this guy use rulers. We need to keep Travis away from all measuring equipment. Right.

Translators will notice variations in the numbers given for the dimensions in different versions. This is due to uncertainty about the lengths of the unit translated cubits by revised standard version. Taking a cubit to equal 45 centimeters or 18 inches, the boat would be about 130 meters long, 22 meters wide and 13 meters high, or 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high. They're like a small yacht. Well, I mean, that'd be a big yacht. That's a big yacht. 450 is a big one. 75 feet wide and 450 feet long. Yeah, I think so.

I don't have a combination. I really don't have an idea of feet. Well, you're 7 foot two. Right. So just do the math. Okay, I'm 7 foot two. I would have to lay down 483 times across the length of the boat. Smelling the poop. Smelling a lot of poop. You'd be laying down in it, rolling it around. We'd roll you from end to end of the ship until you'd gather it all up. Somebody get me off this boat. Isn't Cupid like, it's like the length of your fingertip to your elbow? Yes, exactly.

It was an approximate length. And then the way it was written down has kind of been reconstructed by scholars and what it's approximate length was. Right, because nobody's really knowing what kind of elbows Noah's got. Like, he might have really long ones. Yeah, he was known that way. Pointed, winged. No.

How blasphemous can I get on one Bible-centric episode? This guy said Noah had fucking wings. This guy, Noah, he comes into my fucking office. He goes, I'm looking for two kangaroos. I'm like, get the fuck out of here. One kangaroos hard enough to come by, but you're telling me you need two roos, and he's like, I'm telling you, I need all the kangaroos you could get. Okay, that's how Noah sounds too.

Yeah, and he had wings. All right, let's keep going. All right, all right. Now, I don't think it would be very significant if that geological site happened to match the length of the arc described in the Bible, but it only matches that length if you make one very big and unwarranted assumption, which is that as referring to the long cubit, not the short cubit. If you assume it's the short cubit, then the site's too long. The second thing is that Jones also didn't tell the today's show that even if you assume that Genesis is referring to

the long cubit, then the width of the site doesn't match how the arc is described. So Noah's arc is said to be 50 cubits wide, which is roughly 86 feet if you assume the long cubit. But the formation is 138 feet wide, which is about 60% bigger than that. Not surprised they used to make nerds like you pay. Yeah, they had a separate pen for you. Jones has actually addressed this. In a different interview, he says he has an explanation for that discrepancy. Okay, good.

Thank God. I mean, you're saying that the site is actually matching the length. So almost exactly, number one. And the width as well? Is it matching that? No, in the middle of the boat is 138 feet wide. The site has a pointed bow, and it has a rounded stern. So it's ship shape.

It's not a box. You know, it's not a rectangular box. So some have stated, well, if you look at the average, this would then match the biblical count of the 50 cubits wide. The other idea is that the boat being an ancient wooden boat has spayed out and gotten wider than what it was at the time of the flood. And so as an ancient wooden ship that's decayed, you find it like Roman and Greek ships as they fall apart. Dirt covers it in the ground.

The shape doesn't always stay the same. And so we're seeing that here, that the widest part is 138 feet, so a little wider than the 50 cubits. But the length is still there. So, yeah, it seems like he kind of like, well, it's falling apart. He has this sort of ad hoc explanation about why it doesn't actually match the dimensions of the arc described in the Bible. If it fell apart of the sides, why would it not also fall apart like in the other directions? I don't know. It's a ship shape.

I don't know. Ship shape. Ship shape. Ship shape. Ship show. Now, I think it's worth mentioning that even people who otherwise support the mission of Andrew Jones have alternative explanations for the site. For example, in one interview, Jones says that he's read speculation that the site is actually where the arc was built, not where rested. Oh, come on.

What a switcheroo. Now we had one gentleman, he actually left a paper at the visitor center, and he's from Spain. And I don't know what type of background he has, but he had read this whole document explaining that this was where they built the ark. That's the shape we see. Now, my biggest problem with that is if somehow the shape of the ark existed where they built it, why did that survive the flood? You know, if everyone's being killed and everything's being drowned outside, but the arc building site was preserved. Why is it shipshade? They have a concrete bottomed.

I mean, I don't know. Anyways, you can see a lot of theories out there. Give me a break. Oh, man. It's like, you fool. The ship was so magnificent. It was carved into the rocks. But, like, also, if it's where it was built

and you think that the arrow rat information is correct about where it landed, that means that the ship, like, didn't go very far, which I guess makes sense. A lot of animals. on it. Yeah, flood came in, ship went up, flood left, ship went down. That's right, yeah. It came back to the place that it started. It didn't need to travel. It came

black to the place that it started. Did you just say it came black? You did? Yeah. I tried to power through it like I didn't misspe. Try to make your way through it, buddy. Oh, fuck. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Andrew Jones also says he frequently sees suggestions

that it's not Noah's Ark, he's observing, but rather a philomark. Oh, man. Now we've got the Nephilim and they've got their own arc. Oh, come on. So, yeah, the Nephilim. So these are mysterious beings mentioned in Genesis that modern readers typically interpret to be giants or fallen angels. Now, this is the first I've heard of this arc.

But as you can imagine, Jones has his own sort of reason for dismissing the theory. The Nephilim had to load up angelic versions of every animal. So that was tricky. They all had halos. Well, there was also discussion that the Nephilim were high. Hybrids, right? You know, like fallen angels who had, you know, made it with women. So maybe they were also creating their own race. Maybe their ship was just full of women.

Yeah, maybe they were creating their own race of animals. So the Nephilim were not only, but also filling the blanks, madlibs, you know? Okay, sure. They were not only verb the women, but they were also... I think he's malfunctioning. The animals. I think we need to unplug him. Yeah, we did this podcast.

for too long and I'm like a like a chat bot that's kind of lost the plot and just start spitting out like weird random pieces of code. Yeah, don't worry. Well, we're going to reset Jake the last functioning model. Yeah, will you roll my drivers back? I'm rolling you back. Yeah, we're rolling you back. Sorry, Travis, go ahead and play the clip. I've had people say it's the Nuffaloam

arc, which they say are the giants. Somehow the giants survive the flood so that they had their own arc. See that comment a lot to my YouTube videos. What do you think about that? You think they had a... The Nethulam arc, dude. Well, no, I mean, there's lots of jokes.

Well, yeah, because of giants before and after. I understand the premise is what our... Bigfoot lives in this space, bro. Yeah. Well, so if I... So as a Christian, when you say I am a Christian, looking at the New Testament account,

I don't, you know, so I guess it comes out and you believe in Nufthum were considered people or like souls. Because, you know, according to the New Testament, only eight people survived. Right.

matches what the Old Testament said. So these other people that were on their own boat Doesn't make any sense Well you know what they say about the giants And how they survived the flood, right? They just stood up. It cut to like the fucking most bearded podcast bro You've ever seen.

I was like, did they just cut to a giant? Oh my God. Did they cut to one of them? That guy looked like a red oak. His face. I bet if you cut that guy open, you could see rings inside of how old he was. Yeah, it's like, I like, I like, I like his reason.

It's like, well, you know, obviously the nephus. Philom existed and they, you know, they roamed during this time. But I don't think they built a boat. No, that's it. He was pressing his buddy. He was like, well, you know, you joke around. But then the guy had to back up and he goes, well, yeah, of course, you know, they're giants before and after. So, yeah. Yeah, he's like, we have to remember we believe in Bigfoot. Hey, man, remember we're a kooky podcast. We believe in Bigfoot. Can you please give this Christian the, you know, the advantage of the doubt? Hey, man, look, my face, my face is red as hell. Well, Andrew Jones is obviously passionate about this project, like he said.

He's devoted half his life to it, and he even managed to get the Today Show to launder creationist nonsense to millions of people. I wouldn't say he's a natural publicity hound. No, he's scattered. Imagine this guy giving me a tour. It's just like mumbling. Yeah. So just this year, he teamed up with Lauren Witsky and Edward Tazal.

Producers of the anti-vax documentary died suddenly. Now, earlier this year, they made the corporation Noah's Ark Discovery Inc and set up a give send go campaign to raise funds for the ark hunting efforts. I have a note here that says that as of us recording, it's raised $11,000, but actually I just checked before we started recording here, it's actually up to $115,000. Oh my God. So they are piling up bands by the day for this ark hunting expedition. That's not their goal, though.

Their goal, their ultimate goal, according to the give send go, is $600,000. Yeah. $1,000 for each year that Noah lived. This is crazy. I should just be like, give send go, I'm going to go become a real Ghostbuster. Yeah, what if you had a whole mini-series? What if you had a whole miniseries that you do for professionally where you actually went and did exactly that?

Yeah, but, but this guy's not cranking out that premium level of content. I mean, come on. He's going, ho, ho, ho, ho, where are the giants? It's not the same guy. They're all that guy, though. Whatever. I'm sorry. If you're looking for arcs, if you're looking for giants,

I don't know. I guess this is pretty harmless, right? It's about to become a little bit more questionable. Oh, no. Travis, destroy Jake's innocence and view of the world. So, yeah, one of these producers who got on board with the arc hunting efforts, Lauren Witsky, she actually has a connection to QAnon. In 2020, she used the Republican nominee for the United States Senate in Delaware,

and she wound up losing to incumbent Democrat Chris Coons. But during the campaign, Witsky wore a QAnon shirt, which she explained had been a gift and asked about the movement during a candidate forum in September of 2020. She described it as absolutely harmless and characterized its participants

as people who wanted sex traffickers and pedophiles held accountable. She also amplified supportive post from V. The White Nationalist website. So how did these two? It was like, Witsky and Sazal, how they get involved with the project? So according to Sopold,

Edwards is all. He was down because apparently the Trump administration wasn't right wing enough for his taste. He was a little depressed about this. So we found inspiration from a book about the giants that roamed the earth before Noah's flood. This story actually started with a book. At the beginning of this this year, Lauren actually brought a book forward that changed our minds away from all this depressing news. We're already starting to suspect that we'd been betrayed by the Trump administration and all the world was about to go into chaos. But instead of focusing on that, we wanted to work on a project that was, you know, in God's realm. Well, Lauren actually, she read a book called World Before the Flood. Now, this is about the days of Noah, you know, before the flood, which just, you know, wiped out the entire Earth, wiped out the Nephlin, wiped out the giants, and then preserved just Noah and his family, and then restarted mankind. It looks like a D&D book, what they just flashed you.

The book was so immatureish. It's amazing. I mean, the cover's definitely AI assisted. I wonder if the content is, too. I wouldn't be surprised, I'll say. According to the Died Suddenly newsletter, Witsky pivoted Noah's Ark because she believes that undeniable evidence of the Ark will bring more people to God. It all began with a deeply personal mission. Last November, God laid the story of Noah's Ark heavily on the heart of Died Suddenly producer

Lauren Witsky. I can't explain it. And I don't know why. I just feel like God wanted me to do this, Lauren said of the encounter. Perhaps God preserved the Ark all these years because he knew. that one day a generation would be so deceived by evolutionary lies and modern technology that they would need tangible evidence of his existence to undo the falsehoods their textbooks had taught them. Lauren began praying in searching for hard evidence of Noah's Ark.

And that search led her straight to Noah's Ark scans and the remarkable research unfolding at the Drupunar Formation. She reached out to Noah's Arkscans founder, Andrew Jones, and they began working together on an archaeological expedition that, if successful, could potentially save millions, if not billions of souls and undue decades of Darwinistic teachings. Nice. In a recent interview, Whiskey stressed her belief that the discovery of Noah's Ark would somehow overturned Darwinian evolution. Yes, the Great Awakening.

It's, I really, really, really want to take down evolution. That's the thing. It's taking over our school system. It's taking over our textbook. It's almost mainstream science now. And it was an idea that somebody came up with in the late 1800s. you know, Noah's Ark has been history for years and centuries. Then all of a sudden, these people came along and they're like, oh, well, actually, I think we evolve from apes.

And now they're teaching it in schools like it's like science. And it's just amazing to me. You know, and I do believe that's why we're getting so much pushback. I believe that's why we're getting attacked. I think that's why Andrew got robbed. You know, I think they know the implications of finding Noah's Ark versus us, say, we were, you know, studying the Titanic or studying the USS Yankee shipwreck. You know, we wouldn't be getting the heat we were getting. People wouldn't be questioning what we're doing.

people wouldn't be calling us scam artists and liars and brifters. They wouldn't be doing all that because of the implications of what Noah's arc brings. It shows that evolution is a lie. It proves that every single person on this world came from the eight survivors on that arc. All the creatures we see today came from the eight survivors on that arc. And that's where creation began anew. We didn't begin as like a different species entirely and evolve over millions and millions of years. And I really want to tackle that.

And I know that it's like a demonic belief system that's taken over and they're targeting our children with it too. And I truly believe Noah's Ark dismantles at all. And I want to dismantle Darwinism with our findings. Lauren Whiskey, I do believe that you could be descended from the eight people that survived that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is like, this is strange to me for lots of reasons.

Like if all of humanity descended from one family, 5,000 years ago, the best evidence wouldn't be the remnants of an ancient boat in Turkey. I mean, we would show up in her DNA if there was like a. genetic bottleneck of about eight people, about 5,000 years ago. Even if you just consider, like, the variances in, like, how human beings look, I mean, you'd have to have that fucking arc. Those eight people would have to be, like, United Colors of Benitent to get Earth the way it is. Yeah. I was thinking it's, like, very convenient for her.

She's like, I'm setting out to disprove evolution. And I was like, what kind of degree do you need to do that? Like, it's so convenient that, like, you can go and take down these, these, you you know, over 100 years of institutional science with no education of any sort, just kind of a feeling or reading the Bible, I guess. There's something weird about the evangelical mind who imagines, like, they just need to discover or uncover the thing. And then, like, the culture in the world will transform in an instance once we understand.

It's like, again, this is a, Noah's Ark is a Jewish and Muslim story, too. But, like, they aren't Jewish and Muslim arch hunters. They don't think it's that big of a deal or that. relevant worth that important to their faith to find the ark. We're going to have like Muslim arc hunters writing in like, for sure. They're going to get so angry. Yeah. I'll go ahead and I'll go ahead and save you a little bit, Travis, by saying that as far as

I know, I haven't met too many Jewish treasure hunters either. Like I don't, you know, I don't think they're, um, they're really just more obsessed with one place. I'm really trying not to make a joke here. Yeah, my God, come on, man. You're really setting us up. Yeah, don't fuck yourself. That's what I was doing.

I was this trap. Yeah, that's what I was. I was not falling into this trap. What is this organization doing with all the money they're raising? I have the raise over six figures so far. Like, thousands are coming in by the day. Well, right now, they're drilling holes in the formation and sending down drones with cameras, which they call gophers, in order to more closely inspect the site. I really don't need to call on the, you know, the right-wing Turkish government to crack down on these.

fools, but hey, they're making holes in your cool mountains. You've got to go make sure these people are kosher. No, no, Julian, Julian, this is like the beginning of the second act of Prometheus. I want to see where this goes. You know, it's funny. I think it's like Andrew Joe's, seems to have managed to get a pretty good relationship with the local authorities. I guess he manages to bring in a lot money from like Christian Taurus. Well, maybe he's promising them, you know, petrified camel dung from the ark, which could be more valuable than that. gold. You can go drill your own little hole for a set amount of money. Just last week, the Twitter account for Noah's Ark scans posted a nearly five-minute video of grainy black and white footage

taken from one of these gophers. Now, it appears to me to be mostly just show like dirt, rock, and bugs in holes in the earth. Yeah. But they say it's actually more dramatic than that. Here's from the tweet. First look. Footage from inside Noah's Ark. Gofer drone was sent down into the core drilling holes in an attempt to reach the mapped voids. Gophor needs some modifications in order to look around as his wheels had trouble moving on the very loose sediment on the ground. Become a part of history. Help us cover core drilling costs and third-party lab expenses.

So this is what people are sending their money for, like lots of people. I mean, I look at the give-send go and it's like, yeah, it's like people are sending in like, you know, $25 and like, you know, $50, $100 because they think this is contributing towards at, you know, discovering the arc and in their imaginations, overturning Darwinian evolution, you know. You can't call me a scammer if I'm actually this stupid. I mean, I don't know. This is very frustrating.

I have to imagine, like, you know, a real archaeologist, like, all over the world trying to get grants begging their universities for, like, funding and expeditions for, like, real work. And then they see this dipshit who is, like, out in Turkey, like, begging for money, getting thousands and thousands of dollars by the day, just, like, poking in this dirt poking in this in this big rock trying to find something that just isn't there like there's just it's just absolute nonsense but like it's you know it's it's it's absolute nonsense that uh again i think we're going to see a lot more of because yeah it has a couple people who are pretty good at publicity

behind it now and uh also like i said the the press is just too fucking credulous it's like they're willing to like spend a lot of money and time in order to interview this because they think it's an interesting story without, you know, disclosing the fact that this is a creation's loon who should not be listened to at all. Imagine your grandmother like emptying out her savings account so some idiots somewhere can go look for an

invisible boat in a mountain in Turkey. These guys are looking at a gray grainy screen and going like that, I think that, wait, go back, go back, go back. It's ghost hunting shit. Yeah, it's just ghost hunting. No offense. No offense to not taken. None taken. But it's ghost hunting.

But yeah, yeah, they're taking like Like, yeah, they're using all of these, these scientific instruments. And like, yeah, they're not really experts in this field. They don't really know how they use them. And so they're thinking that, like, it somehow represents something significant. But, no, this is, I think, really, I don't know, absurd. It's like, I was like, how much longer is this guy just going to fucking just chill in turkey, drilling holes in the earth and convincing, like, M-Maws in Tennessee to send their money?

I mean, I say you can do it for another 40 years? He might have, like, an on-site accident. or something, drill too many in the wrong place. We might hear about this guy like falling into a crevice. Let's be honest, this is just taking money away from like Trump coin or whatever. Sure. It's a competing, it's a competing scam. Seemingly a little bit, a little bit less harmful maybe.

I mean, you know, I think the search for Noah's Ark is something that can be, you know, fun for kids. I think it continues to be entertaining. And I mean, these morning shows, they're desperate for like acutely, not not acutely, cutely mentally ill person. Like someone who's mentally, they're looking for those few Americans that are mentally ill but are still somewhat harmless. And like, of course, if you dig in,

there's some harmful stuff. But man, we need these stories. Come on. A little bit of magic. Yeah. We've grown tired of like funny cat videos. And so now we have to kind of like see like funny cat videos, but like as they exist through people.

Like watching a person kind of like, you know, tweak out or do something funny. Does that make any sense? No? Sure. I mean, yeah. But like, again, I don't understand why like the cute, I guess, like, human interest story has to be, you know, the story of this creationist loon who is being supported by like a white nationalist QAnon promoter. I feel like that's like a important part of the story.

If like any future, you know, a reporter ever like touches the story again, I feel like those parts of the tale are worth integrating into your report. That's right. Travis is here to ruin your fun. Even your fucking fun little interest stories are in danger of his, of his acute eye. And this guy says that he's got the Ark of the Covenant and the Grail. No, that's what Ron White, his mentor, his mentor says. Oh, his mentor says. Yeah, it's a funny thing about, like, in his temperament and in his focus, like,

Andrew Jones is like, that doesn't seem like that wild or outside. Like, Ron White, like, he's like, he's saying he found the blood of Jesus and he met the angels who were He was saying all these guys cries of crazy things. Andrew Jones is, like, is smart enough to, like, maybe he's not showing his power level, but, like, he's, like, he's smart enough to, like, tone down the things that, like, made Ron Wyatt just more obviously a cook who should not be listened to. They always learn how to be a little bit less kooky than their master. It's funny ways we'll have a link for that fundraiser in your show notes. Make sure you get your piece of wood that's part of the ark.

Yeah, everybody can have their own piece of petrifice. Dung. Yeah, I mean, 150 days, the whole ship was made of turt. Like, I'm pretty sure they floated on a giant turd. Look, and if this was way back in Noah's time, like, he might have had some really exotic shit, giant spiders, stuff that we've never even seen before. Yeah, you've never even seen a giant spider's shit. That's another good fucking premise. That's another good premise is that like there's something in, there's something inside the ship, like a fucking, like a, like a, like a prehist.

historic bug that nobody accounted for. And like these dumb archaeologists just get picked off one by one by like a prehistoric cockroach that's like 15 feet long or a centipede or something. Oh, that's awesome. All right. Well, that's not going to happen in any of this. Well, Jake has stroked himself to completion once again, so we can end the episode. Oh, yeah.

All right. Before I go, there's like one other thing I thought was really funny that, uh, that Andrew Jones talked about. So one of his coochier beliefs, he has a lot. I mean, he has suggested that a possible explanation of dinosaurs is people in pre-flood times creating abominations through genetic engineering. Oh, cool. So it was like there's an umbrella corp that made the dinosaurs.

Interesting. So even the dinosaurs can't be fucking dinosaurs. Andrew, what can you say about dinosaurs? Do you believe they really existed? Oh, yeah. Well, we have fossils. there's different views. Some say that the dinosaurs were

like Nephilim or like DNA created animals by people doing things against God's original plan. Like did God create the dinosaurs? Others believe the dinosaurs are just giant, you know, lizards. Did God create them? I think some were created animals. They're just bigger life forms.

Others did people doing some crazy DNA thing you know, mixing jeans, whatever, like some people try to do today, that's very possible. Yeah, I wasn't there. I wasn't there. Oh, yeah, that's so true about history. I wasn't there.

Again, this band should not be fodder for, like, you know, for morning shows. No, he should be fodder for a podcast like ours. Exactly. He should be fodder for a podcast like ours, who, you know, critically examines the claims that he's making. Oh, I was saying we're worse than morning shows, yeah. All right.

Well, I'm an optimist, so I'm saying we're better. Hell yes. Thank you for listening to another episode of the QAA podcast. You can go to patreon.com slash QAA and subscribe for five bucks a month to get a whole second premium episode for every regular one, plus access to our entire archive of premium episodes. Also, go check out cursedmedia.net. If you haven't already, we are currently in the middle of the Raising Hell miniseries in which we examine the Franklin scandal. It's very deep. It's very dark.

It's very thrilling. And you should join myself and the writer, Jacques LaRoche, listening to that mini-series. I think you will enjoy it as a listener of QAA. I really think you will. For everything else, we have a website, QAApodcast.com. Listener, until next week, may the Deep Dish bless you and keep you. We have auto-keyed content based on your preferences. Wyatt claimed that during the moment Christ died,

When the Gospel of Matthew says the earth shook and the rocks were split, this very fissure opened. And when the Roman soldier pierced Christ's side with a spear, the blood and water that flowed from his body seeped through the fracture and dripped directly onto the mercy seat of the ark. In his view, this was not symbolism. It was not metaphor. It was literal.

He said he found dried, dark residue on the stone lid over the ark and collected a sample. And he claimed that laboratory testing revealed human blood, yet unlike any blood ever recorded. According to Wyatt, it had only 24 chromosomes instead of 46, 23 from a human mother, and a single Y chromosome unconnected to any biological father. He said the cells were still alive when rehydrate.

And they looked at me and they said, Mr. Wyatt, this human blood only has 24 chromosomes in it. Everybody else has 46. You see, 23 from your mother, 23 from your father. To him, this confirmed the virgin birth and the divine identity of Jesus Christ.