QAA Podcast - PERVERTS Episode 7: Attending the X3 Porn Expo feat Zoë Ligon (Sample)

Episode Date: January 28, 2024

We attended the X3 Porn Expo in Los Angeles thanks to our guest Zoë Ligon, author of 'Carnal Knowledge: Sex Education You Didn't Get In School', founder of the Spectrum Boutique sex shop and Onlyfans content creator. We discuss her experience running a booth at the event, creating for onlyfans, and running a sex toy shop. Plus Julian gets bullied for writing poetry. For access to the full episode (+ all miniseries + all premium QAA episodes) go to http://patreon.com/qaa and subscribe for just $5 a month. Zoë Ligon's Links: https://linktr.ee/zoeligon/ Liv Agar: https://linktr.ee/livagar Theme by Nick Sena, additional music by John Vanderslice. Editing by Corey Clotz.

I'm Sex Both me Both me Both me Both me I'm Julian Fields I'm Livakar

And this is the perverts podcast Where we venture into horny online subcultures And take you along for the riot I gazed upon the expo floor It was all right Everything was all right The struggle was finished I had won the victory over myself.

I feel nothing, I told Zoe, smiling. It was the end of my two days at the X3 Expo, a porn convention held at the Hollywood Palladium, and I was considering starting an only fans. Two days prior, driving north towards the venue on the 101, I'd been feeling a certain amount of apprehension. I wasn't really part of the adult entertainment fandom, nor an industry participant.

So what was I? Just a scummy outsider looking into a giant terrarium in search of content? No better than a hack YouTube comedian? I pushed the thoughts out of my head and focused on driving. The sun was almost done setting and I passed a few cars that still didn't have their headlights on. The neon ensignas of entertainment conglomerates glowed from the sides of massive buildings, seeming to brighten as the light drained from the sky. Soon, I reached Hollywood.

At least there'd be a few people I knew on site. Zoe Liggin, who I had met for coffee a few days prior and would have her own booth, Ron Ecstasy, her boyfriend, who would have some time to wander around the place with me. I found parking near sunset and vine and walked the couple of blocks towards the red vertical neon. sign reading palladium. On my way in a young man was selling loose hoodies that said whore tour keep on fucking I didn't get to investigate this further as I found myself below the marquee which read X3 Expo the ultimate fan experience I noticed a contrast with other promotional material for the event which had

built it as quote the world's biggest creator expo I suppose they needed both creators were seeking to reach fans and vice versa after walking through an ID check and metal detector I would was in the building. The first thing I saw was a bar, one of the many scattered around the venue, illuminated by red neon and sporting a large sponsorship sign, adult time, porn done differently. I would later find out what it was, a sort of pornographic Netflix, high production value, high concept, scripted adult material.

In front of the bar, a woman with long blonde hair wearing fishnets, a garter belt, and lingerie, was chatting with a group of what looked like fully clothed industry men. She had a sticker on each ass cheek advertising something. I walked past the bar area and onto the showroom floor, which was packed to the the brim with a maze of booths, scantily clad porn performers, and giant banners for services like chatterbate, brazzers, and fleshlight. A large booth for Ricky's room included a satin sheet bed where men would pay to pose with a porn performer.

The expo floor was teeming. I later attempted a taxonomy of the different types of people present, but we'll get to that a little bit later. On stage, a giant glowing chatterbate logo was being projected onto the big screen. A male cam guy by the name of Dirty Drizzi was on the mic, promoting the service, alongside three female porn performers who started throwing out branded merch into the audience. I hit my man in the head with a bra,

Drizzy told the crowd after a particularly energetic toss before continuing to explain that they were about to kick off a fake orgasm competition. The winner would be taking home $200 cash plus a Polaroid camera. Out of the four participants in the fake come-off, two were men with interesting results. First up, we had a short king, tatted up and ripped, who took off his shirt as soon as he could when he reached the stage.

I'm glad you described this because I had my back to this the entire time pretty much. I didn't get to enjoy any of this. Yeah, he's very like Jersey Shore vibes. Yeah, he definitely has, he's a situation for sure. I feel like there should be two categories here because like male orgasm, like auditorily is a lot easier to fake.

It's a lot shorter. So it's just like, ah, you know. Clearly not a practitioner of tantra over there. Or a gooner. A gooner knows that it can last for hours. You're right. You're right, maybe this guy is a gooner. Multiple orgasm situation.

What's your name? My name's Jesse. I'm the hunk plumber on only fans. The hunk plumber on only fans. If y'all got some pipes that are clogged up out there, it's your fucking guy. Alright, my man, what makes you busted nut when you're done cleaning some fucking pipes? I like to see the girl give me that shit back. Alright, brother. Here's your chance. Y'all encourage, my man.

Bring it from a fucking duck, bro. I'm taking a dump The testosterone is that was a That was legit as far Damn it He did sound like he was taking a dump And at the end he just says get a towel i miss i'm like the girl has to get a towel bitch you get the towel asshole and also i guess

like that's does he is he always just coming on faces he's come on as himself he doesn't want to get up and then have gravity make it drip on down his leg you never know you're right actually that's very respectful yeah he turned it back on himself and he's like go get a towel i got this shit on my chin i got this shit on my nose i got come everywhere all over me it's actually i'm calling out to my mother, and I'm bent over in the bathtub. Mom, could you get a towel, please? I've come all over my face. The hug plumber done did it again.

Where is my step, mommy? God damn it. You stuck in the dryer again. I need a towel. Also love that they're still using the plumbing analogy. That's like a, I feel like that's a time old classic. I think that this guy might actually be a plumber who then entered porn. Yeah, seems believable.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if he's doing, like, the role play, like the hung nurse or like the hung doctor. I see, so it was literal. He was cleaning pipes. I think so. Maybe not. He kind of like spoke to me. As I walked in, he was like about to chow down on a pizza box.

Well, not the box. He was about to eat the pizza inside the box. Yeah, he was chewing on the box. He's that fiber. But he was like so excited to see my audio recorder. He's like, what's that? You know, like, oh, it's just like records audio. He's like, for voiceover.

Damn, I got to get me one of those. And I was like, hell yeah. I can dump better on, am I better? No, no, much respect to the hung plumber. Yeah, respect. Go check out the hung plumber if you're into that kind of thing. And, you know, I think he really, like, put his heart into it. The second guy to take the mic was a bit more of a layperson than a professional.

Medium height, baggy clothes, but he also gave it his best. What's your name, brother? Dave, now. Dave, L. Where you from, Dave? Costa Mesa. Costa Mesa, L.A.'s home. Dave, what makes you?

bust up big old sticky no anything that might be a breeze in the air all right this is my guy

right here give it all you got oh fuck you just like that giving that shit oh fuck you

he brought up the dirty talk he was talking dirty you guys heard that shit right Just sounds like he got punched. Yeah. Fuck, yeah, give me that shit.

Oh. It's weirder without the visual, actually, because at least on stage, you can see them, you know, trying to engage with the crowd. He didn't, though. Like, he's just a regular guy, you know. And, like, when he asks him, what makes you bust a big sticky nut, which is such a funny thing to try to, like, make it even more. Like, it's like, yeah, your cum is so sticky and big when you're dropping that nut. But, yeah, he was just, like, he, like, answered very quietly anything. He's like, yeah, me too, man, just a breeze coming by, and I'm fucking nutting.

It's going to hump the back of your knee. Yeah, it's like, well, if it's really anything, then how did you end up at, like, a porn convention? Like, you're clearly seeking greater thrills, right? Otherwise, you'd just be at home with the breeze. The window's open, and you're just nutting. Long-sticky. But this is the best-case scenario for guys you bring on stage, is, like, someone who, you know, makes sense, but doesn't just, like, leave everybody's speechless. list through like the level of awkwardness of what they've just said because that would be that's

coming there's there's where there were other stage shows that were way more disastrous what i liked about what chatterbated did here is basically half the people they would bring up were talent and this was the result of calling for uh volunteers saying who wants to come up here and there's always like like i know my man the plumber here was was with another female talent so they were kind of like there together you know not sure if they were like in a relationship or something but they had come together, which is lovely. And so he was like, well, yeah, I'm going to get as much, like, promotional time as I can. So I want to get on stage. And so that's nice. You get a bit of contrast and you get a guy. You couldn't see it. But while he was doing his, like, you know,

powerful nut, he was, like, thrusting into the air and kind of, like, pulling an invisible girl towards him as well. So he really put, he put his heart into it. And he was flexing. He wanted to flex, too. So it's like a good opportunity to flex shirt off and stuff. So that, that's the, that's the men. but, of course, one of the two women took the prize home. She was an only fan's model who had a lot of crowd support and, like, really put some effort into her fake orgasms. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. My listeners at home are going to bust a long sticky man now. I know. They're going to be, like, John out of. You think he heard that when he came in his pants? I don't know, like, that's what Drizzi said. He's like, shit, that made me come. Like, he loved to, like, reaffirm, yeah, female talent on stage by saying that it had just made him come.

Which is funny because, like, I feel like that video has been making the rounds where there was, like, a dance competition and a guy was, like, laying down on stage. And the girl was not even, like, touching him, I don't think. I think she was just kind of, uh, twerking. Okay, there was some contact, twerking. And the guy came in his pants. And then the entire like arena-sized place was like, this guy came in his pants. And they like, they zoomed in the camera. It's something else.

Where have I been? Well, probably in real life. Yeah. Or as IRL is something like this can be. Because it is like, it does feel like in that maze there's a lot of people that are representing, you know, chatterbate or other services like that. And they're kind of on camera at the same time as being there. So there's, there was a lot of like screens. Definitely.

Yeah. You never know who. whose stream you're going to be, you know, an NPC in. Absolutely. Yeah. The entire thing was surreal. I felt overstimulated, uncomfortable, and immediately started sweating a little. I'd later learn that this was a common experience for first-time attendees who weren't in the industry. I decided to wander the floor in search of Zoe and see if I could make her boyfriend Ron's acquaintance. The Zoe in question is Zoe Liggin, aka Thongria? Yes, that's me.

The author of Carnal Knowledge, Sex Education You Didn't Get in School. She's also, So the founder and CEO of the Spectrum boutique, all kinds of fascinating toys, and also a spicy content creator on OnlyFans. Where did you get this bio from? Did I send it to you? You wrote spicy content on your Twitter. Okay, yeah.

I tend to check people's Twitters, then I get to know how they represent themselves. Well, yeah, I would not say spicy content here. It's more just like a nod, you know what I mean? Because it's the online censorship. Although Twitter, I mean, it's a shit show, so I feel like I could just say. you know, I delto myself on camera or whatever, that'd be fine.

Right now, right here, you are on the perverts podcast. We all self-identify as perverse. The listener's probably a pervert. Where can they go and find this stuff? Oh. Right uprook. Let's go. Thongria is my username on, like, Instagram, Twitter, only fans, many vids.

So if you can search those words in combination with each other, you'll find me. And then, yeah, Spectrum boutique is where I sell sex toys. We have been in business since 2015. but I've been on OnlyFans since 2019, so there's a little bit of a, I'm definitely more of a knowledgeable person when it comes to sex toys and like product retail and OnlyFans is something I've only done in the past five years, really. I don't know. Sounds like a great back catalog. We've been going for five years. Go check it out. Go sign up, folks. If you're in search for red hot chili pepper emoji content. Yeah. Go there. Okay, I see I'm just going to get teased by two. too spicy well turns out this is what makes me come so this is been a front the whole podcast

yeah not even just perverts the whole five years i'm like please i i just need to redirect the q a podcast to a position in which i get to be bullied by various women well how people pay big bucks for that they do they do so yeah you are our guest this week welcome to the show zoe thanks everybody uh so can you tell people a little bit, like in what capacity did you attend X3 this year? It was my first time attending a adult expo as somebody who was situated at a station signing autographs. I've been going to expo since 2018. I've been going to AVN specifically since then. But yeah, this is my first time going, putting on a cute little outfit and staying in one place, having set hours for people to come interact with me and like specifically like encouraging people

to come talk to me. I've been at Avien and been walking around and encountered people who want to take a picture or get an autograph or something like that. But there was the first time I was like, here I am, come find me. I'm at this cute little booth. I got little pictures of myself printed out that I can sign for you. And each shift was like four hours. It was like just enough time to be out there. By the end I was fucking wiped. But it was two days back to back. They gave me such good time slots too. I got my schedule and I was like, they put me at the good time slots. I was like, I was like a little bit flattered because I consider myself a pretty amateur gal in the sense that like 95% of what I've shot in the past five years has been on an iPhone. And, you know, I do

content with my partner, but that's only really been in the past year. And I just got like a nice camera. So it is very much amateur. And I was seated next. There was like a penthouse pet of the year near me and just some really amazing people that I look up to all around me. So I was kind of like, oh, this is the life. Yeah, you were in like a very high traffic area. It was kind of like a mixed like blessing and curse because it's right next to the stage. So you end up having a lot of people there who are there to like look at the stage. So it blocks up the area a little bit. But then it's also a super high traffic area. So you have a lot of people coming through. Yeah. How did you find like that flow of kind of interacting with a person and then take

making a moment to like wait and just kind of be there? Yeah, I was saying earlier that the one photo you got of the show floor is when I'm like dead staring out into the audience and nobody's talking to me. It was definitely also a little bit influenced by who was next to me because a lot of the women on either side of me had long lines to see them. I never had a line. Maybe there'd be like one or two people waiting while I wrap up with somebody. And it was a pretty constant stream of people, but it was cool that all people were staring at, you know, the fake orgasm competition or just waiting in line to see somebody else. It's like, here I am. And then it's also my job to like decide, do I want to make eye contact and engage with this person and like be an inviting presence or do I just let them come to me? And like, if they like what I'm about, so be it. It was definitely a little bit of a choose your own adventure in the sense that I got to like decide how much I wanted to lean into like, hey. make an eyes at people where, hey, because I'm just facing out into an audience of people. Yeah, right. And I feel like you were mentioning the women to each side of you. Do you think that,

you know, some of these like larger fan bases are because they've done more like commercial porn with like porn companies and stuff like that? Yeah, definitely people who have worked more with production companies or they're camming and they're a lot more frequently like in person on screen interacting in a one-on-one capacity. I don't really go on cam a ton. I do go live, but it's kind of like a semi-annual thing. But yeah, it's like I'm not a consumer of a ton of porn or like the porn I watch. It's like I have a lot of rewatch value. I'm like rewatching the same things again. And I have my faves and they haven't really changed in the past 10 years.

But so a lot of the new people and even if they're not new, it's just like I have my niches. It's the same with like how I watch movies or whatever. I don't know a lot of movies, but I know some specific movies really well, and I can tell you all about them. Same with porn and me. So I feel like I know a lot of the people just from being on the Internet and Twitter. And that's how I think of them as opposed to their content and being a customer of it. But you should pay for your porn, everybody.

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