QAA Podcast - Premium Episode 109: The Christchurch Inquiry & The Great Replacement with Annie Kelly (Sample)

Starting point is 00:00:00 What's up QAA listeners? The fun games have begun. I found a way to connect to the internet. I'm sorry, boy. Welcome, listener, to the 108th premium chapter of the Q&ONONANANANAS podcast, the Christchurch Inquiry, and the Great Replacement episode. As always, we are your host, Jake Rockatansky, Annie Kelly, Julian Field, and Travis View.

Starting point is 00:00:28 A very happy New Year. to you all listeners. It's been a while since I sat down to chat with you. You may have heard on the news a little of what's been happening in the United Kingdom with us developing mutant strains of COVID faster than you can say Boris bungled Brexit. Well it's all true. I've been stuck in Tier 4 lockdown where residents are recommended to stay at home at all times and when leaving the house for emergency supplies not look anyone in the eye and always carry a passport and a knife in their sock. Living on Plague Island has been stressful but having had a warlock cast a powerful protection spell on my microphone, it is finally safe to listen to me transmitting

Starting point is 00:01:03 across the airwaves without a mask. This is going to be a slightly different kind of episode than the kind I usually do, because there's a couple of things I want to talk about, but it's a very serious subject matter and I do want to do the topic justice. We're going to cover the Christchurch report, an 800-page report into the terrorist attack in Christchurch, New Zealand, which was published by the New Zealand Royal Commission of Inquiry last month. The Christchurch attack happened on the 15th of March two years ago, when a gunman entered the Al-Nor Musk and Linwood Islamic Center in the city and opened fire, murdering 51 people and injuring countless others. The gunman live streamed the massacre to Facebook using a GoPro camera attached to his helmet.

Starting point is 00:01:42 The link distributed to 8chan to ensure it was spread to as many different social media platforms as possible. He also sent out a copy of his manifesto, which was filled with racist alt-right memes in 4chan slang. It was, in the words of Kevin Roos for the New York Times, a mass murder of and full the internet. The manifesto revealed that the murderer was motivated by a conspiracy theory popular in white supremacist circles known as the Great Replacement. This theory, sometimes also known as white genocide, holds that white people are being generationally replaced in the

Starting point is 00:02:13 West by immigrants, usually but not always Muslims. Since there's a white supremacist theory usually found on neo-Nazi forums, I'm sure I don't need to tell you who its proponents believe is behind all this, but top marks if you guess the Jews. This was the motivation given for the 2018 Tree of Life synagogue shooting in the United States where seven people were murdered, as well as the El Paso shooting in Texas just months after Christchurch, which likely was inspired by it. This episode was going to be a straightforward deep dive in what we've learned from the Christchurch Inquiry Report, which is an incredible piece of research with more detail

Starting point is 00:02:45 into the gunman's life and motives than I've ever seen before. But then, just before Christmas, something happened on LBC, a British radio talk station that made me switch tracks. Cirqueir Stama, the leader of the Labour Party here, went on the Nick Ferrari at breakfast show, shortly after fans of Millwall, a notorious football club, booed their own players for taking a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement. Stama was confronted by a caller who called herself Gemma, who said that her husband had been at the game and began saying something a little odd

Starting point is 00:03:14 about white people becoming a minority. Here's a clip of the conversation that followed. Players and the referees very often take the knee, and I think that's what it's symbolic. even Les Ferdinand who you'll probably know just remind my list of this was a very successful football happens to be a black fellow himself he's now the first black man to be a director of football

Starting point is 00:03:34 he's with the championship Queens Park Rangers and he says it is hollow it's like a fancy hashtag or a lapel it's his achieving nothing I don't think that's right what I think the counterman who played football for England I mean he's in a position of knowledge isn't he? No he is of course and I respect his view of course

Starting point is 00:03:49 so it doesn't mean I agree with it I think that what's happened over the many years This is the counter-organism, it's quite a powerful one, is that there is racial inequality, there is injustice. And from time to time, it becomes an issue. It's looked at for a few weeks, and then it goes away. And this is an attempt to keep the focus on it until things really change. Hasn't the round now focus just on taking the knee?

Starting point is 00:04:11 And the important issue of getting black managers, black directors of football, black chairman or chairwomen of clubs, I mean, that's been lost because we just take the knee. No, I don't think it's one or the other. I think you can do both, and it's a way of drawing attention to it. But, you know, in the end, it's for each individual decide how they want to tackle injustice. Why did, Gemma, why did your husband, sorry, you didn't quite explain if I may go there again. Why did he choose not, I choose to boo, sorry.

Starting point is 00:04:34 Because if anything, the racial inequality is now against the indigenous people of Britain, because we are set to become a minority by 2066 and taking the knee, bringing that into, bringing the political sphere into the football arena. And we just have to look across to the Middle East. you know, Israel has a state law, but they are the only people in that country to have self-determination. Well, why can't I, as a white British female, have that same right? Final point to you on this, Sakhir? Well, Gemma, we all have those rights. This is about recognising some injustice has gone on for a

Starting point is 00:05:09 very, very long time. And I think people were genuinely moved this year and want to make sure that that injustice is dealt with. And, you know, people will look at it different ways, but I think the vast majority of people do want a more equal society. Gemma, thank you. I mean, I would hope to think that American anchors would handle that a little bit differently. I think it's just because we're a little bit different racial history and minorities were, you know, brought here by, indigiously and brought here by force. They would just have Richard Spencer as the actual guest.

Starting point is 00:05:40 Yeah, right, right. They just bring you in. By the time the conversation had made its way to Twitter, something which should have been obvious to LBC was made apparent. There was no Gemma whose husband had been at the Millwall game. She was a plant from the British neo-Nazi group Patriotic Alternative, engaged in a practice called groping, basically where you use the format of call-in shows or live internet streams

Starting point is 00:06:02 to spread alt-right propaganda. There's been naturally a lot said about what Stama said or should have said or shouldn't have said. But I have to say, hearing that interview at the same time as reading in sometimes harrowing detail about the 51 people who died in Christ, church and the countless more injured, bereaved, or traumatised, it struck me just how lightly my country seems to take the threat of the far right, and the murderous great replacement lie. Groyping, like Gemma managed to do, wouldn't work if it wasn't enabled by a media that just

Starting point is 00:06:33 doesn't think of far-right radicalisation is that big of a problem. After all, as was later uncovered by Red Flair and anti-fascist research group, Gemma claimed to have literally been contacted and invited on the show to confront Stama. Even if we accept that they thought she was just going to make a still racist but slightly more normal racist statement about booing black football players, why would you still let her carry on about a genocidal conspiracy theory that's been responsible for such enormous loss of life around the world? So before we get into the Christchurch inquiry, let me just switch tracks for a little minute. Although I doubt very much that any listeners of this podcast need to hear why the Great Replacement is a lie, I do

Starting point is 00:07:11 want to say it anyway, if only just so that it exists somewhere in this cursed media landscape. Believers in the Great Replacement believe in an essential fiction of a few discrete and exclusive human races. The fact that it's a fiction can be easily proven by just how long white supremacists themselves spend arguing amongst themselves as who counts as actually white. Pretty much the entirety of human history has been the story of groups of people moving places. This is how it's always been, even before long-distance travel was as easy as it is now. In my own country, this has been the case since written records began. The Roman geographer Ptolemy described at least 27 tribes in Britain all with different beliefs and customs.

Starting point is 00:07:50 After the Romans, the Saxons, Vikings and Normans came to the country. None of these people replaced one another. And nobody today seems to suggest that they did, because we now think of them all as one race, even if it's unlikely that that's ever how they conceived of each other. Coming closer to home, if you look at your own family history, wherever you are, the chances are your ancestors came from somewhere different than where you live now. In my case, three of my four grandparents weren't from England, which is why I'm so cool. But you and I didn't replace any hypothetical baby when we were born. We were just born.

Starting point is 00:08:20 So yes, the Great Replacement is fake. A lurid white nationalist conspiracy theory, which like most of their claims, doesn't hold up to any kind of scrutiny. But it's not only that, it's evil because it keeps killing people. I think part of the reason it's so powerful is because it speaks to the deepest seated psychological fear of all, the knowledge that we're all going to die one day.

Starting point is 00:08:40 If we want to get existential, the only thing that eventually replaces us all is time. Damn. Oh shit, that's not good. This is not good. I'm having a good one. Sorry to blow your minds there, guys. This is a troubling fact to deal with,

Starting point is 00:08:57 and so many of us simply just try not to think about it at all. But if you're white, living in a majority white country, you do handily get a different second option, which is to focus all that existential fear of mortality and channel into something a little easier to grab. with psychologically, which is, of course, blaming immigrants and ethnic minorities. Through the Christchurch report, we finally get one of the clearest case studies of how this process works, how a young man can fall so under the grip of this hatred that he ends up

Starting point is 00:09:26 taking countless innocent lives and injuring and traumatising so many more. I'm going to go through that report with you today and pick out the parts that I think give us the clearest sense of how white supremacist radicalization works online. One of the most impressive recognitions with the Christchurch report is that far I terrorism doesn't emerge in a vacuum. In fact, as it takes pains to point out, many of the Christchurch shooter's beliefs were not inculcated and dark niche corners of the internet, but by relatively mainstream digital sources, particularly on YouTube, which I'll get into in more detail a little later. You have been listening to a sample of a premium episode of QAnon Anonymous.

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QAA Podcast - Premium Episode 109: The Christchurch Inquiry & The Great Replacement with Annie Kelly (Sample)

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