QAA Podcast - Premium Episode 125: The Johnlock Conspiracy Theory (Sample)

Episode Date: May 24, 2021

John Watson + Sherlock Holmes = Johnlock = the idea that Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman are in a secret gay relationship in the BBC series 'Sherlock'. We dive into the "shipping" community th...at spawned a conspiracy theory and eventually led to people baking symbols in the show, practicing numerology, harassing dissenters and accusing others in the fandom of being pedophiles. Find out if you're more of a "toplocker" or "bottomlocker" when it comes to your favorite duo. Episode written by Travis View and including Liv Agar, Annie Kelly, Julian Feeld, and, of course, Jake Rockatansky. ↓↓↓↓ SUBSCRIBE FOR $5 A MONTH SO YOU DON'T MISS THE SECOND WEEKLY EPISODE ↓↓↓↓ www.patreon.com/QAnonAnonymous Annie Kelly's upcoming podcast "Vaccine": https://twitter.com/VaccinePodcast Follow Annie: https://twitter.com/AnnieKNK Liv Agar's podcast: Liv Agar's podcast: https://www.patreon.com/Livagar / https://soundcloud.com/livagar Merch / Join the Discord Community / Find the Lost Episodes / Etc: http://qanonanonymous.com Episode music by Nick Sena (http://nicksenamusic.com) & Rudy (http://soundcloud.com/rudy-3)

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What's up QAA listeners? The fun games have begun. I found a way to connect to the internet. I'm sorry, boy. Welcome listener to Premium Chapter 125 of the Q&ONANANANANANAS podcast, the John Locke conspiracy episode. As always, we are your host, Jake Rockatansky, Liv Egar, Annie Kelly, Julianfield, and Travis Vue.
Starting point is 00:00:28 Earlier this month, two of my followers who go by the names Ducky Ayesha and Is Chow on Twitter suggested that we look into the John Locke conspiracy. I hadn't heard of it, but I decided to give it a Google. And that pulled me down the path that sucked up just days of my life. If you've noticed that I haven't been tweeting as much as I typically do the past few weeks, this is a big reason why. This is a once very active conspiratorial movement based not around politics, necessarily. but entertainment media.
Starting point is 00:01:00 And despite the apparent low stakes of the conspiracy theory, it led to harassment, baseless accusations of pedophilia, an untold innocent Tumblr user getting sucked into an emotionally fraught rabbit hole. I thought that's just what they call Tumblr. Yeah, yeah, because you tumble into a state of depression.
Starting point is 00:01:20 I wound up spending days digging up archived versions of old Tumblr posts, watching hours of Sherlock fan videos, and other assorted activities that were neglectful of my health and family. This is like an apology. It was like, I don't know, it was like, oh, fresh ground is like Qadon, but, you know, untrodden upon by my mind. The whole John Locke conspiracy and the drama surrounding it, such a complicated cluster fuck, it's tough to know where to begin. So I'm just going to start by letting out some of the basic information and build up from there.
Starting point is 00:01:55 Sherlock is a BBC show that ran from 2010 to 2017 over the course of four seasons or four series, as they call them in UK. There are only 13 total episodes of the show, but each episode is like a movie, running around an hour and a half each. Here in the U.S. are shows that they pump out like 24 episodes every single year, but your country, Annie, they seem to take a more leisurely pace with their entertainment. Yeah, the longest running show of all time here is 10 episodes, so that's correct. Yeah, yeah. The show depicts Sir Arthur Coden Doyle's classic characters Sherlock Holmes and his roommate Dr. John Watson, solving crimes and getting into sticky situations in modern-day London. This particular version of the Sherlock Holmes story was created by Mark Gaitis and Stephen Moffitt,
Starting point is 00:02:46 who had both previously worked on Doctor Who. The creative duo are called Moftus by fans. Sherlock Holmes is portrayed by Benedict Cumberbatch, and his trusty flatmate and companion Dr. John Watson is portrayed by Martin Freeman. The show was critically acclaimed, winning Emmys, BAFTAs, and the Golden Globe. Sherlock also developed a passionate following on the social media platform Tumblr. Around 2012 to 2014, the Sherlock fandom dominated the site, creating endless gifts, fan fiction, analysis, fan theories, and critical essays,
Starting point is 00:03:20 which are called metas in the fandom world. Before I talk about the John Locke conspiracy, I need to talk about John Locke, and before I talk about that, I need to talk about the fandom concept of shipping. I apologize if this sounds rudimentary or basic, but I am a dad in my late 30, so I'm explaining this as if I'm explaining it to myself. So I need this broken down for me. No, I've always wanted to hear you explain the concept of shipping, to be honest. Travis, you can just admit that your teenage daughter finally wrote an episode. So shipping is when fans want two or more characters become romantically or sexually involved. The term reportedly derives from X-Files fandom in the 90s.
Starting point is 00:04:04 X-Files fans who wanted to see the lead characters, Mulder and Scully, be involved romantically, were called R-shippers. And this was later shortened to just shippers. Conventionally, the name of the ship is a mash-up of the character's names. For example, in Harry Potter fandom, the ship between Draco Malfoy and Luna Lovegood is called Druna. And I dread by simply touching on this topic, fans of this show will create a Trulian ship, but as always, I've resigned myself to my fate. Trulian, it just sounds good.
Starting point is 00:04:37 It does sound good. I think I'm the first Trulian shipper. That's right. I think Trulian sounds like an ad for a anti-depression medication that would be advertised to me during a Hulu ad break. That's Trulian. So in the case of Sherlock, the ship between Sherlock and John Watson is called John Locke. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:05:00 Fans often create fan fiction, imagining the pair hooking up. On fanfiction.net, there are over 35,000 stories involving Watson and Holmes pairing. That is by far more material than the show. This is a bigger cultural thing than the show. Like, it has become, the show is a tiny part of this giant universe. It's almost like you in a certain way, that you just bake so much content. out of very little. Yes.
Starting point is 00:05:25 Oh, yeah, yeah. If you put together like all the text written by all the influencers and shit like that, the books and all this shit, the cue drops are dwarfed. Sam.
Starting point is 00:05:33 Which is perfect for this show because as a sort of prerequisite, I was, when I was like a 14-year-old child, I loved this show. It was like the second or third season. I love Sherlock Holmes and the like the books as well. I was an annoying little nerd.
Starting point is 00:05:51 And one thing about the show is that it's different. than the books insofar as like you can't figure out the mystery in the middle of it like the point of the books is that like if you're smart enough with the clues you can figure it out but with the with the show it's like Sherlock Holmes has this like magical power to understand stuff that sounds way worse to be honest it's very terribly written it's an awful show it's not good but the way they will end seasons based on like cliffhangers but the the the answer to the cliffhangers but the the answer to the cliff is not something you can figure out. So the fans will just bake for like a year. What actually happened? You know, Sherlock will fake his death and the end of one cliffanger. And the results of like how he actually faked it is not seen in the episode.
Starting point is 00:06:38 So there's like... No one that reminds me of, back in the day, those claw games that you could play in like Denny's or in supermarkets or whatever, you could actually get shit with them. And now you think you can, but you technically cannot. And they've designed it that way. you keep pumping your fucking money. And this is the same thing. It's like there's no reward for being smart watching this show. Despite that being the entire point of Sherlock Holmes, that rocks.
Starting point is 00:07:03 We hate audiences now. We just spit on them. So that's why, that's probably why there's so much baking about like the ship here. It's because like you bake anything because why not? Right as well. You might as well. Liv, I do have to ask, were you a John Locker? I don't think I was
Starting point is 00:07:22 I thought I think I did a bit of baking I can't remember the specific details the only relationship I have to John Locke is political philosophy which is the lame as possible Liv clearly will not
Starting point is 00:07:38 reveal the two minor female characters that she shipped now I think it's worth noting that fan culture and fan fiction as we know it today started with Sherlock Holmes fans. The earliest work of Sherlock fan fiction, which were called pastiches at the time, was authored in 1893 by J.M. Berry of Peter Pan fame.
Starting point is 00:08:01 I'll argue that playing with the character and his relationships makes even more sense now that the character is in the public domain. It has already been reimagined thousands of times. I think that Sherlock Holmes has the Guinness Book of World Records for most adaptations of a single character. The idea that there is something more to the relationship between Watson and Sherlock isn't by itself that crazy. In fact, it's been hinted at in older adaptations of the Sherlock story. Perhaps the most significant one is the 1970 film The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes, which was written and directed by Billy Wilder.
Starting point is 00:08:35 In that film, Sherlock is approached by a Russian ballerina who wants to retire and have a child. She proposes that Sherlock be the father, with the hope that the child will inherit her beauty and his intellect. But Sherlock turns down the offer by claiming that he is involved in a relationship with Watson. You find Madame attractive or no? Oh, I find her most attractive.
Starting point is 00:09:00 For a woman, that is. Then no problem. Maybe a slight one. You see, I am not a free man. Not free? But you are a bachelor. A bachelor, living with another bachelor for the last five years.
Starting point is 00:09:15 Five very happy years. What is it you are trying to tell us? I hoped I could avoid the subject, but some of us threw a cruel caprice of Mother Nature. Get to point. The point is that Chikovsky is not an isolated case. You mean you and Dr. Watson? He is your glass of tea?
Starting point is 00:09:45 If you want to be picturesque about it. I think, yeah, I think I am now a John Locker. I knew it wouldn't take long. I love the guy who's dumb and it's like, it just never ends. He's like, well, Chikovsky was not an isolated case. Oh, you play classical music, do you? It's just like, okay, we need to just end this. I'm gay.
Starting point is 00:10:07 Now you might try to explain that scene a way by claim that Holmes was simply lying about his relationship with Watson in order to politely turn down an indecent proposal, but it's complicated by the fact that in an interview, director Billy Wilder said that he originally intended to betray Holmes explicitly as a repressed gay man. Wilder said this, I should have been more daring. I have this theory. I wanted to have Holmes homosexual and not admitting it to anyone, including maybe even
Starting point is 00:10:35 himself. The burden of keeping it secret was the reason he took dope. He took dope. This guy rocks. He's like, hey, what if Sherlock was like gay and into heroin? win. In the original, he, like, chills in an opium dem. Opium dem. Oh, nice. Yeah, I think that's original, him being like a... That's canonized, that he's like a drug addict. Yeah, yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, he's a big co-cat, too. Oh, sounds like a good guy. Sherlock's a cool guy.
Starting point is 00:11:01 Sherlock is an example of dudes rock. Absolutely. Even more intriguing is that BBC Sherlock co-creator Mark Gaitis called The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes the template for his own Sherlock adaptation, and that the film changed his life. Gaitis said this to The Guardian. It's a fantastically melancholy film. The relationship between Sherlock and Watson is treated beautifully. Sherlock effectively falls in love with him in the film,
Starting point is 00:11:27 but it's so desperately unspoken. Fans of BBC Sherlock, who support the John Locke, point to several clues in the show itself. For example, in the very first episode, A Study in Pink, there is a scene where Watson meets Sherlock's brother, Mycraft Holmes, for the first time. Mycraft teases Watson for how
Starting point is 00:11:45 quickly his relationship with Sherlock has developed. What is your connection to Sherlock Holmes? I don't have one. I barely know him. I met him yesterday. Since yesterday you've moved in with him and now you're solving crimes together. Might we expect a happy announcement by the end of the week? In that same episode, Watson asks Sherlock about his personal relationships,
Starting point is 00:12:08 which Sherlock interprets has a come on. You don't have a girlfriend then? Girlfriend? No. Not really my heir. my area. Oh, right. Do you have our boyfriend? Which is fine, by the way?
Starting point is 00:12:21 I know it's fine. So you've got a boyfriend? No. Right. Okay. You're unattached? It's like me. Fine.
Starting point is 00:12:32 Good. John, um, I think you should know that I consider myself my own to my work. I'm one I'm flattered by your interest. I'm really not looking for anything. No. I'm not asking. No. I'm just saying
Starting point is 00:12:46 it's all fine good thank you notice though as a lot of like John Locker pointed out when asked about it he said that
Starting point is 00:12:59 girlfriends aren't really his area but he doesn't he doesn't have quite as forceful denial as for not having a boyfriend no no he just says I don't have a boyfriend but to me the illusion there
Starting point is 00:13:10 is clearly I'm gay but stop asking me about it There are also several scenes where other characters simply assume that they're a couple. For example, their landlady asks if the pair will need two separate bedrooms. There's another bedroom upstairs if you've been needing two bedrooms. Of course we'll be needing two. Oh, don't worry, there's all sorts around here.
Starting point is 00:13:31 Mrs. Turner next door's got married wives. I show these clips in these examples because I think it really illustrates this idea that John Locke could be canon didn't come out of nowhere. There's an obvious subtext there. In fact, it's perfectly rational to ask, what is the purpose of all these frequent gestures towards Holmes and Watson being a couple? If there's no substance to John Locke within the canon of the show, then the only other possibility is that the show creators were queer baiting. Queer baiting is when creators of media tease the possibility of LGBT representation in their work, but never make it canon or official. This is often seen as a cynical ploy to draw in LGBTQ audiences without alien.
Starting point is 00:14:13 alienating a more mainstream cis straight audience. Fans of the show simply refuse to believe that co-creator Mark Gaitis, who is an openly gay man, would engage in such awful behavior. Despite the subtext of the show, the creators often threw cold water on the idea that Holmes and Watson would get together in the Ghent. This started even before the first season. In a 2010 interview with a publication Digital Spy,
Starting point is 00:14:40 show co-creator Stephen Moffitt explicitly denied that Sherlock Holmes, as gay in the series, saying this. I don't think there is anything that suggests Sherlock is gay, but if he was, he wouldn't fancy John Watson. It's just that thing of two blokes hanging around together, living together. In this nice, modern world, it leads to people saying, oh, are they a couple? And that's nice.
Starting point is 00:15:01 I thought how the world has changed. There's no disapproval. How much more civilized the world has become. The majority of John Locke shippers were just people who were invested in that subtext or like thinking about their favorite characters getting to However, out of the John Locke community emerged a more intense strain of the belief. They held to the John Locke conspiracy, or TjLC, for short. These are people who believe that John Locke was more than just a fan theory or a typical ship.
Starting point is 00:15:30 They believe that John Locke was an intentional inevitability. Sherlock Holmes and John Watson would wind up being happily ever after. This was always the plan from the beginning, and further, the show's creators left several clues that prove that this is a fact. It was more than just like a fanished desire or analysis. It was like a prediction of how things are going to turn out. The John Locke conspiracy emerged in the immediate aftermath of the highly anticipated first episode of the third series in 2014. A lot of the fervent speculation was probably fueled by the fact that there were long gaps in between each series. Series two ended in 2012 and the show didn't air any new episodes until two years later.
Starting point is 00:16:13 To make matters worse, series 2 ended on a cliffhanger. The final episode ends with Sherlock Holmes throwing himself off of the roof of St. Bartholomew's hospital in an apparent suicide. It goes as far as depicting hospital staff carrying away Sherlock's bloody corpse and Watson visiting Sherlock's gravesite. But in the final scene, we see that actually Sherlock is alive and well. And so for two years, fans were left with a question, how did Sherlock survive? Fans naturally spun their own possible explanations by looking for clues in the show itself. Show creator Stephen Moffat actively encouraged this behavior by outright stating that there were clues to be found. He told The Guardian this.
Starting point is 00:16:52 There was a clue everybody's missed. So many people theorizing about Sherlock's death online and they missed it. We've worked out how Sherlock survives and actually shot part of what really happened. It all makes sense. So there are no coincidences, you know. As you know, Liv, this turned out to be a lie. Of course. So the season premiere of the third series aired in an episode called The Empty Hirsts.
Starting point is 00:17:16 And contrary to what Moffat claimed, it didn't all make sense. In that episode, viewers are presented with three possible theories that are all individually difficult to believe for different reasons. The episode features a recurring character named Anderson, who is turning into a conspiracy theorist obsessively trying to figure out how Sherlock survived. Now, one might get the impression that in the episode, Anderson is a stand-in for the first. fandom, who had spent the previous two years obsessively constructing their own theories. In one scene, Sherlock purportedly explains how he survived to Anderson, but Anderson is unsatisfied. It kind of seems like the show is just telling fans, look, we know you won't be happy with
Starting point is 00:17:54 any explanation we give you, so we won't even bother giving you a single, clear explanation. As I explained, the whole street was closed off, like a scene from a play. Neat's, don't you think? Hmm. What? Not the way I'd have done it. Oh, really? No, I'm not saying it's not clever, but...
Starting point is 00:18:14 What? A bit disappointed. Everyone's a critic. I think it's quite like a charming attitude in there where it's just like, you know, you like this show that we write for you? Well, fuck you. Taking the one thing that's cool about the original Sherlock, or the main thing that's cool about the original Sherlock series,
Starting point is 00:18:35 where it's like you can figure it out if you pay attention to the clues because you have the same clues that Sherlock does and then just because they're too lazy to make like a good story removing it. Yeah, yeah but it's not just like removing it. It's also then like taunting you for thinking that you could do what like was good about
Starting point is 00:18:53 the original books like yeah, it's like yeah fuck you for thinking that you could do that by the way I hate you specifically for doing that and I don't know yeah I think it's it's maybe just like my national character but I do find that attitude quite charming in writing. Why couldn't you come up Why did it have to be so elaborate?
Starting point is 00:19:10 Why couldn't have Sherlock done something like, I read a book, I read an Oudini book, where if you flex your muscles at a certain moment of impact, you do have a 45% chance of surviving. Like something that would have kind of explained what people saw. I hate when people are like, oh, there was a raft that you didn't see
Starting point is 00:19:30 in an airplane flying overhead and you didn't see it, but it was there. I don't know, it just feels like, you know. It's, no, you're right. It's very cheap. That scene ends with Anderson bringing up some of the major flaws with Sherlock's explanation and then going crazy while ripping down papers in a conspiracy wall he had constructed. They hate their fans so much.
Starting point is 00:19:52 They hate them. That is amazing. I like that you're charmed by that. This is you. This insane guy is you. I cannot tell if Annie is shit posting by saying she finds it charming, which I love. What I love most is like a lot of the fans were like not angry about it. They're like, shit, they just take the torment.
Starting point is 00:20:12 That's exactly it. They're like, will literally depict you this way, not subtly, and you'll still come back for another season, won't you? Like, yeah, no, I'm not shit posting. I think that's great. I have huge respect for these guys. The episode also features John Watson getting engaged and denying that you had a romantic relationship with Sherlock. I've met someone. Oh, lovely.
Starting point is 00:20:38 Yeah. We're getting married. Well, I'm going to ask anyway. So soon after Sherlock? Well, yes. What's his name? It's a woman. A woman?
Starting point is 00:20:47 Yes, of course it's a woman. You really have moved on, haven't you? Mrs. Hudson, how many times Sherlock was not my boyfriend? Live and let live. That's my motto. Basically depicting their audience as a woman entering dementia. That's exactly. You are a wild-eyed conspiracy theorist that you're a wild-eyed conspiracy theorist,
Starting point is 00:21:08 and you're a woman entering dementia. You're also kind of homophobic, by the way? The actress who played Watson's fiancée and wife is Amanda Abington, who also happens to be Martin Freeman's real-life wife. She reports that after her role was announced, she received death threats from zealous Johnlock Shippers. She said this in an interview. I got, she should die.
Starting point is 00:21:32 How dare she play Mary Mawtson? How dare she? They take the John and Sherlock storyline so seriously. seriously, that they wouldn't want anyone coming between them. Now, fans being fans, the premiere of Sherlock Series 3 was well received for the most part. But like you pointed out, it seems like they're just dumping all over their most devoted following for like being involved in the show and like, you know, trying to suss out the clues. But here's the interesting thing. We know what happens when they strongly believe theory is disconfirmed.
Starting point is 00:22:02 It doesn't cause a believer to abandon the theory. Most of the time, it causes them to double down. And that is exactly what happened with some people who strongly believed in John Locke. We can trace the conception of the John Locke conspiracy to two Tumblr users, who went by the names Jula B and Grace EBooks. On January 7, 2014, they conceived of the conspiracy theory and its accompanying acronym T.JLC, and they spread it rapidly throughout the community in the following days. The foundational text of the John Locke conspiracy is a Tumblr post from January 2014 called
Starting point is 00:22:36 Trust Gaitis. Operation John Locke is Go. Oh, my God. What the fuck? He's a three-star generally. You should trust them. Hey, maybe this is what became QAnon. It's 2014. Is there like a separate conspiracy theory,
Starting point is 00:22:54 which is about all of the so-called coincidences between this and QAnon? Because... Well, I think we're making one. We're baking it right now. That was written by another Sherlock mega fan. called loudest subtext in television. When I read that meta, I mean, I was shocked by how much it seemed to echo a lot of QAnon
Starting point is 00:23:14 stuff. That essay opens with this paragraph. I'm about certain that John and Sherlock are going to get together. I mean romantically and even sexually. Not in the subtext. Not in some happy alternate reading of the show, but in actuality on screen. You have been listening to a sample of a premium episode. of QAnon Anonymous.
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