QAA Podcast - Premium Episode 195: International Militant Conspiracism feat Miro Dittrich & Cam Wilson (Sample)

Episode Date: December 26, 2022

Germany. Australia. Two stories of conspiracy theorists that paint an evolving picture of a now international dissociative movement. German law enforcement say they uncovered a plot by local sovereign citizens to overthrow the government and install as head of state a descendant of German nobility. To help us make sense of the plot, we are joined by German extremism expert Miro Dittrich. The second story is from Australia, where a 47-year-old prepper named Gareth Train shot and killed three people. Investigations revealed that Train was active on conspiracist sites prior to the killings. Journalist Cameron Wilson from the Australian publication Crikey will join us to discuss the details of the killings, as he discovered a Youtube channel operated by the perpetrators. Subscribe for $5 a month to get an extra episode of QAA every week + access to ongoing series like 'Manclan' and 'Trickle Down': http://www.patreon.com/QAnonAnonymous Miro Dittrich: https://twitter.com/DittrichMiro / https://cemas.io Cam Wilson: https://twitter.com/cameronwilson / https://www.crikey.com.au/author/cwilsoncrikey-com-au/ Music by Pontus Berghe. Editing by Corey Klotz. New Merch / Join the Discord Community / Find the Lost Episodes / Etc: http://qanonanonymous.com

What's up QAA listeners? The fun games have begun. I found a way to connect to the internet. I'm sorry, boy. Welcome listener to Premium Chapter 195 of the Q&ONANANANANANANIS podcast, the international militant conspiracism episode. As always, we are your host, Jake Rockatansky, Julian Fields, and Travis Vue. Today, we bring you two wonderful stories of crime and death by conspiracists.

The first is from Germany, where law enforcement say they uncovered a plot by German sovereign citizens to overthrow the government and install as head of state a descendant of German nobility. To help us make sense of the plot, we are joined by German extremism expert Miro Dietrich. The second story is from Australia, where a 47-year-old prepper named Gareth Train shot and killed three people. Investigations revealed that train was active on conspiracist sites prior to the killings. Journalist Cameron Wilson from the Australian publication Crikey will join us to discuss the details of the killings, as he discovered a YouTube channel operated by the perpetrators. Now, are these topics a little morbid for the holiday seasons?

Yes, but as always, we count on our fellow pain pigs to enjoy their spiked eggnog with true tales of the tragic pilling. In Germany, there is a small, rustic town called Bad Lobenstein, a three-hour drive south of Berlin. It is a holiday spa town with about 7,500 residents. There atop a steep hill is a small neo-gothic-style castle with a turreted tower and battlements. But according to German authorities, it was far more than a quaint hunting lodge. It was in fact the main meeting place for extremists who plotted the violent overthrow of the state to install as national leader a 71-year-old aristocrat named Prince Heinrich

the 8th. In the basement of this hunting lodge, the group stored weapons and explosives. In the forests that sloped beneath the lodge, they sometimes held target practice. The plotters belong to a movement called Reichsburger or Citizens of the Reich. They hold to sovereign citizen-like beliefs and don't recognize the legitimacy of the German state. Authorities say that before this plot could be carried out, 3,000 police officers searched more than 130 homes throughout Germany and made 25 arrests. Prosecutors said that the group allegedly believes in a conglomerate of conspiracy theories consisting of narratives from the so-called Reichsburger as well as QAnon ideology. They also think that Germany is ruled by an apparent

deep state. To help us make sense of these events, we are again joined by Miro Dietrich. He is a senior researcher at the German Center for Monitoring, Analysis and Strategy, or CMAS, and he previously helped us understand German Q&N on episode 176 of the podcast. Miro, thanks again so much for joining us to help us try to figure out what happened here. That's a pleasure to be back. So before we get to the plot in the raid, I was hoping you could sort of refresh us on the Reichsburger movement, which the plotters are affiliated with. So what exactly do they believe? Yeah, the term was coined in the 80s. It's the German speciality of what you were known

as sovereign citizenship. They are under the label of conspiracy ideological sovereignism. They are real heterogeneous movement, but basically they believed. that Germany is still occupied by the ally forces because they don't think Germany had a peace treaty after the Second World War, so the German right is still active. So the core point is that Germany is not a sovereign nation. Gotcha.

So they just believe in totally alternate history, it sounds like, essentially. Yeah, because like there's so many, there's so many interesting possible takes about what happened to Germany after World War II, the separation during the Cold War, and the formation of a kind of international. national order and a Europe in which Germany is very dominant.

And, you know, I guess I'm being very quaint to hope for analysis that might actually shed light on power structures instead of a 71-year-old syphilitic aristocrat being thrust to power by people who are completely fucking diluted. I guess I'm just fucking hoping for an alternate universe. Especially because it's quite embarrassing for them. And they don't think Germany has a peace treaty, but we have a peace treaty. It's just not peace treaty written at the top. It's the two plus four contract.

Gotcha. They're stickler sovereign citizens. They want the exact language they like. Yeah, they're sticklers in misunderstanding things. They somehow are like, they're detail-oriented in their delusions, which is maybe one of the most frustrating aspects of it. Certainly frustrating to the courts. So what exactly is the role of QAnon in the ideology of the plotters?

So Qianon and Reisberger movement exploded during the pandemic in Germany together. They share a lot of the same narratives and they sort of started in the same group. It was definitely helped because the biggest anti-lockdown movement in Germany, Kuerdegenken, translated lateral thinking, promoted Kuhn at Reisberger narratives from their stages and from their demonstrations. So they reached quite a big new audience. In Germany, we even have a mix of Reisberger and Kiernan. They call themselves Shev, which stands for Supreme Headquarters of the Allied Expeditionary Forces. That was the headquarters of the Allied forces during the Second World War,

but it was dissolved in 1945. They think that this headquarters still active, and we even have some role-playing commanders who think they're still in charge. one of them was arrested in Germany because he kept issuing death warrants to his political enemies which sort of was too much at some point So this is a movie in the waiting

This is a dark comedy And no one wants to make it But I think that we have Maybe a better version of downfall here And so of the sheriff belief Several of the members that got arrested Were in telegram groups And who had this shaft belief

And other QAnon groups And it's sort of works out quite well. If you believe in Quirnon and you believe in Reisberger, then you think the Allied forces are still in control of Germany. So at the time of the pandemic, Donald Trump would be the leader of Germany. So it's quite a works out in their world view together. And I think also that Reisburger movement and QAnon sort of draws in the same people because both of these narratives offer something to do against the lack of agency that they feel in their life. In QAnon, you can become a digital soldier, and with the Reisberger, you can do your own country,

you can stop paying taxes, or you can plot to overthrow the German government. You have been listening to a sample of a premium episode of QAnon Anonymous. We don't run any advertising on the show, and we'd like to keep it that way. For five bucks a month, you'll get access to this episode, a new one. each week and our entire library of premium episodes. So head on over to patreon.com slash QAnonanonymous and subscribe. Thank you. Thanks.

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