QAA Podcast - Premium Episode 215: Structural Antisemitism feat Sean KB (Sample)

Episode Date: June 4, 2023

Premium Episode 215: Structural Antisemitism feat Sean KB When it comes to the market, you need to trust the plan. We explore how capitalism mystifies itself by generating alternate explanations for o...ur steady immiseration. Perhaps the most popular among them? Antisemitism. Sean KB from the Antifada podcast guest writes an episode about Canadian historian and social theorist Moishe Postone’s theory of Structural Antisemitism. Thanks for supporting us on patreon! Sean KB: https://twitter.com/as_a_worker
The Antifada Podcast: http://fans.fm/theantifada Music by Pontus Berghe. Editing by Corey Klotz. http://qanonanonymous.com Moishe Postone's Structural Antisemitism and National Socialism: 
https://critantisemnetwork.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/postoneclassic.pdf

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What's up QAA listeners? The fun games have begun. I found a way to connect to the internet. I'm sorry, boy. Welcome, listener, to Premium Chapter 215 of the Q&ONM anonymous podcast, the Structural Anti-Semitism episode. As always, we are your host, Julian Field, Sean KB, and Lou Vagar.
Starting point is 00:00:27 If you're a long-time listener, you've probably notice that many of the conspiracy theories we explore end up revealing a molten undercurrent, if not a powerful geyser, of anti-Semitism. In the past, we've explored a few reasons for this tendency to exclusively blame Jewish people for the ills of our world, but this week we're aiming to go deeper into the structural aspects of modern anti-Semitism. Our guest writer is Journeyman Carpenter and co-host of the Antifada podcast, Sean K.B., who you may remember from our episode on New Chronology and Fomenkoism. So, first off, Sean, hello, how you doing, Do you expect us to ignore that you're in the same trade as Jesus?
Starting point is 00:01:03 How are we supposed to trust a carpenter on anti-Semitism? Listen, as somebody who's on the inside of this whole thing, all I got to say is it was the Romans, okay? That's true. Judas helped, but it was the Romans, okay? You can blame them. That would be amazing if, like, you know, the entire kind of Judeo-Christian affair of being paranoid at each other for various reasons was solved by just blaming Italian people entirely. Guys, it's Italy. Let's stop fighting each other.
Starting point is 00:01:29 we're brothers yeah that would be great i mean it's never too late i guess to start so it's never too late to switch from anti-semitism to anti-italian sentiment yeah how are you how are you doing man glad to have you back and uh excited to explore something i mean kind of grim but i think that this is some fresh these some fresh angles this is uh obviously a really fraught uh topic and we're going to deal with it respectfully and and be sure you know to acknowledge all the the shittiness that goes on with this stuff in terms of of how I'm doing, I'm doing well. I realized that the last time that we recorded together on the new chronology and Famenco stuff was before the war broke out, you know, the war between Ukraine and Russia. So we were like, oh wow. We were focusing on something that was, we didn't even realize how topical it was going to be when we were talking about historical revision. We were talking about like new Russian historiography, talking about greater Russia and the way that like they, there's going to be a lot of they in this episode when we talk about anti-Semitism, the way that they, the way that they They have been burying the true glory of the Russian people.
Starting point is 00:02:33 So part of me hopes that this isn't as topical as that episode, to be honest with you. Yes, let's hope this doesn't, you know, act as a kind of prologue for anything bad. Yeah. Yeah, but I don't know. Maybe you do have that sickly touch, you know? Maybe everything you touch does with or does. I don't want it. The lathe of heaven.
Starting point is 00:02:52 No, I don't want the lathe. You don't want the lathe in my head. Nobody wants the lathe. Nobody wants the lathe. That's part of the lathe, though, the lathe of heaven idea, though, right? is that nobody really wants it and it's given to you like a burden. Yeah. I think.
Starting point is 00:03:03 Spoil the child, spare the lathe. I don't know. Is that anything? All right. Well, folks, let's get into it. Capitalism, modernity, and structural anti-Semitism. There was already, by the 1890s, a phrase going around Austrian-German Marxist circles, widely attributed to the famous social democratic party of Germany theorist and politician August
Starting point is 00:03:24 Bebel that, quote, anti-Semitism is the socialism of fools. You'll still hear. hear this phrase bandied about sometimes but with the recent rise of explicit and implicit anti-semitism i'm thinking of david ike and his all-powerful scheming interdimensional lizard cabal or truthers who believe that international bankers did 9-11 it seems like it makes sense to pose the question again why do critiques of modernity and capitalism so often include a healthy dose of hatred of jewish people and their alleged centrality to social change and economic exploitation this is a question we must ask carefully. Modern anti-Semitism led to the destruction of more than six million lives in the mid-20th century.
Starting point is 00:04:05 To explain the material or ideological origin of such an immense crime always risk the charge that one is justifying it or that its execution is understandable in some way. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Still, if we intend to understand the workings of history, we have to try to explain the emergence of the worst, most bloody ideas, lest our politicians continue to suffer from them. One of the more compelling theories for why modern anti-Semitism takes such a systemic and virulent form comes from the late Canadian social theorist and historian Moishe Postone. In 1980, he wrote a short article called Antisemitism and National Socialism. This text was controversial because it argued that there was something deeper to the Nazi project
Starting point is 00:04:46 than near prejudice or ethnic hatred. That something about the specific social structures of capitalism and how they appear lead to the sort of ideologies that attribute vast powers to a minority group that seems to be at once inside, outside, and above the rest of society. As he says in his text, quote, no functionalist explanation of the Holocaust and no scapegoat theory of anti-Semitism can even begin to explain why in the last years of the war, when the German forces were being crushed by the Red Army, a significant portion of vehicles was deflected from logistical support and used to transport Jews to the gas chambers. Once the qualitative specificity of the extermination of European
Starting point is 00:05:28 Jewry is recognized, it becomes clear that attempts at an explanation dealing with capitalism, racism, bureaucracy, sexual repression, or the authoritarian personality remain far too general. The specificity of the Holocaust requires a much more determinate mediation in order even to approach its understanding." For Post-stone, it's not just a question of what happened, but what sort of social structures led to modern anti-Semitism, gaining such a popular hold over European politics and society. For Postone, it was not just racism or prejudice, though it was that, of course, it was on a deeper level the product of an everyday mystification of the economy and how it works. To follow Postone's
Starting point is 00:06:11 arguments, I'm going to have to present listeners with some pretty advanced Marxist theory, but I'll try my best to break it down into popular terms as much as possible. We'll hopefully walk away understanding the deep structural ways that capital itself distorts our own understanding of the world and how within the particular historical conjuncture of Germany in the early of 20th century, it led to mass murder on an industrial scale. This is more than just a historical question, though. Even without a full return to Nazism, which may be an open question at this point the way things are going, are we destined always to have to confront the proposition that some great they want to use the hidden levers of power to make us live in the pod and eat the bug? What is it about the way
Starting point is 00:06:53 that capitalism operates that tends towards conspiracy theories around powerful international cabals controlling human events? Why is it that anti-Semites can blame covert Jewish power for both the Federal Reserve's interest rate policies and the social policies of secret communist Joe Biden? How is it that every right-toid theory from cultural Marxism or the woke mind virus or the Rothschilds or commie scientists putting fluoride in the tap water as a brainwashing device always seem at least tacitly anti-Semitic, or at least use the same patterns of thoughts and assumptions of how power works that anti-Semites use. Modern anti-Semitism
Starting point is 00:07:33 Moishe Postone argues that anti-Semitism in the 19th and 20th century was qualitatively different from the ancient religious hatreds that came before, whereas medieval anti-Semitism was prejudice against Jews because of the particular economic roles they were pushed to or their religious difference with the Christian majority, modern anti-Semitism is a secular theory that purports to encompass a systemic analysis of all sorts of social problems that arise in modernity. There's a huge difference between these two historical types of anti-Semitism. How do we account for the shifting terrain of ideology over the last few hundred years? The truth, as we'll see, is that capitalism, by its very nature, poses a series of real,
Starting point is 00:08:15 material paradoxes that all of us live with every day. It is at one time an incredibly productive system leading to the creation of untold wealth of commodities for sale, but at the same time, one that brings vast inequalities in its wake. It sets human beings free from servitude to individual rulers, yet demands all of us be at work for an employer in the morning or be homeless. It operates through the purposive activity of individuals to buy, to sell, to save, to accumulate wealth, yet the mechanism it does this through, the market is beyond the control of any one person or group, even the capitalists who benefit from it. Capital at once appears as an infernal machine for financial speculation on all aspects of human life, while at the same time as the motor which drives
Starting point is 00:08:59 industrial progress forward. The commodity form of wealth at the center of this system makes the things we produce and consume, at once both a concrete use value we can eat or build with, but also an abstract entity that only finds its reason for being on the market. As this economic dynamism encompasses more and more of social life, the social logic becomes a battering ram that overthrows all ancient traditions, power relationships, cultures, and modes of thought. The 19th and 20th century reactionaries who birthed modern anti-Semitic ideology into the world were reacting to epochal shifts in human civilization
Starting point is 00:09:35 and needed a group to represent the personification of all these things. There had to be some group that was doing all this in society, not some blind acephalous logic that tore asunder the, quote, natural organic ways of life under assault by the profit system. And enter the cosmopolitan rootless people. Yeah. As they like to put it. Rootless and cosmopolitan. It's something that could be used by Stalin and Stalinists as well.
Starting point is 00:10:01 So you see a little crossover appeal to this concept. As you see on Twitter, if you're too online. Unfortunately, yeah, we're all too online, but if you think we're getting out of this episode with a large swath of the left safe from accusations of tacit anti-Semitism, you might be surprised, but we'll get there. You have been listening to a sample of a premium episode of QAnon Anonymous. We don't run any advertising on the show, and we'd like to keep it that way. For five bucks a month, you'll get access to this episode, a new one each week, and our entire library. of premium episodes. So head on over to patreon.com
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