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Episode Date: July 10, 2025This is the very first episode of the six-part podcast series network Science In Transition by Liv Agar and Spencer Barrows, from our new podcast series network Cursed Media. Science in Transition ...is an investigation into the intellectual origins of the contemporary right wing backlash against transgender acceptance. Through six deeply-researched episodes, hosts Liv Agar and Spencer Barrows unearth a bizarre coalition of well-meaning clinicians, aristocratic sexologists, militant feminists, right-wing culture warriors, headline-chasing journalists, and conservative politicians. Listen to the first two episodes of Science In Transition and the rest of the six episodes as they are released weekly by subscribing through this link. www.cursedmedia.net/ Subscribers to Cursed Media get access to three new podcast series per year, plus every episode of QAA’s existing mini-series (properly organized!) //// Science In Transition Episode 1: Birth of the Clinic As various fields in the medical sciences advance during the interwar period, doctors confront a problem: the treatment of adults who desire to change their sex. While many clinicians propose psychotherapy, a few dotted across the Western world have a different idea: use newly synthesized hormones and surgical procedures to treat them. Liv and Spencer dig into the early decades of the Western gender clinic, its treatment of gender-variant and intersex children, and the crusaders who sought to morally mandate the transsexual out of existence. A full list of sources for the entire series will be available soon; for further reading, please consult: Florence Ashley, ““Richard Green wasn’t an ally to trans communities: a controversial legacy” https://medium.com/@florence.ashley/richard-green-wasnt-an-ally-to-trans-communities-a-controversial-legacy-e6d9a485f66e Jules Gill-Peterson, Histories of the Transgender Child Julia Serano, Whipping Girl Joanne Meyerowitz, How Sex Changed: A History Of Transsexuality In The United States Karl Bryant, “Making Gender Identity Disorder of Childhood: Historical Lessons for Contemporary Debates” Lisa Downing, Iain Morland, and Nikki Sullivan, Fuckology: Critical Essays on John Money's Diagnostic Concepts Melanie Fritz and Nat Mulkey, “The rise and fall of gender identity clinics in the 1960s and 1970s” https://archive.is/7cNQr Samantha Riedel, “Gen(d)erations: How Sandy Stone “Struck Back” Against Transmisogyny” https://www.them.us/story/genderations-sandy-stone Stacey D. Jackson-Roberts, “Pushed to the edge: the treatment of transsexuals through time: a behavioral discourse analysis of the diagnostic and treatment protocols for transsexuals and the implications for contemporary social work practice” https://scholarworks.smith.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2037&context=theses
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Hello, QAA listeners.
We have launched a new podcasting network called Curse Media.
It's a new platform where we serve up exclusive podcasts on topics that you can't hear anywhere else.
For example, have you been listening to podcasts that don't have Live Agar in them?
Well, we're here to help you fix that.
Our first series is Science in Transition, hosted in research by Live Agar and Spencer Barrows.
It's a six-episode investigation into the intellectuals.
intellectual origins of the contemporary right-wing backlash against transgender acceptance.
You are about to hear the very first episode, Birth of the Clinic.
I, Liv Egar, and my co-host Spencer Barrows, dig into the early decades of the Western Gender Clinic.
To hear the second episode right now, plus get access to each new episode as they're released once a week,
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Curst Media subscribers also get access to every episode of every QAA miniseries,
plus two more exclusive series we're going to release over the next year.
This is something we've been working on for a long time,
and we're very excited to finally be able to share it with you.
And now here is the first episode of the first Curse Media miniseries,
Science and Transition, Birth of the Clinic.
Before we begin, this podcast, all six episodes,
will contain difficult and triggering content.
There will be discussions of conversion therapy, sexual abuse,
torture, pedophilia, racism, and transphobia.
While we believe it is important to account for this backlash and its history and exacting
detail, we understand this series will no doubt be a difficult sit for many listeners.
Discretion is advised.
This podcast will also use a variety of language regarding trans people that is now considered
anachronistic or offensive.
For clarity's sake, we will generally use the typologies and terminologies used by scientists
we're discussing.
We would like to thank Julia Serrano for fact-checking and consulting for this entire
project. And now we present to you Science in Transition.
In 2016, John Oliver released a viral segment on his show last week tonight called Transgender Rights.
The segment released as a response to a barrage of bathroom bills hitting the states,
essentially restated a classic liberal cliche.
Opposed transgender rights, and you'll be on the wrong side of history.
If you are not willing to support transgender people for their sake,
at least do it for your own, because we've been through this before.
We know how this thing ends.
If you take the anti-civil right side
and deny people access to something they're entitled to,
history is not going to be kind to you.
There is no biopic where Liam Neeson
kicks the shit out of a suffragist.
There's not a stamp
featuring George Wallace at the schoolhouse door.
And you are not going to get a monument
that says at the base of it,
he told people where to shit.
At the time, it felt hard to disagree.
transgender rights for winning, and progress can be so intoxicating that it becomes impossible
to ever imagine that one day you might start to lose.
Kamala even supports letting biological men compete against our girls and their sports.
Kamala is for they-them. President Trump is for you.
I'm Donald J. Trump, and I approve this message.
Hi, I'm Lev Agar from the QAA podcast.
And I'm Liv's research assistant, Spencer Barrows.
I worked on Chapo's Seeking a Friend for the End of the World series.
And this is Science in Transition.
This is a show about the backlash to transgender rights.
You may have seen in headline stories about restrictions and discriminations against trans people
by the Trump administration.
You may have also seen headlines about the controversy surrounding transgender rights.
If you don't know anything about trans people and trans rights, you might not know how to react
to this topic.
You might even hold some private confusions, even concerns about this issue.
What this series is aiming to do is to teach you about the history of the transsexual,
not the history of transgender variant and third-sex people who have existed heterogeneously across
cultures for a very long time, but rather the transsexual as a medical and clinical entity,
a sexual deviant to be treated by doctors, whether affirmatively by hormones or adversely through therapy.
We will show how after decades of scientific research and clinical treatment,
transgender civil rights exploded into the public eye rather recently.
It is a story about a group of vulnerable and marginalized people who fought tooth and nail for their own bodily autonomy
and self-determination, and how just as it achieved a minor victory, it could all be taken away.
Ten years after Oliver's segment, the movement for transgender rights has suffered countless
brutal setbacks in an all-out assault, organized and enacted at a shocking speed.
Given the relative size of the trans population, the scale of this attack has been difficult to
comprehend. It has developed into a well-oiled machine, systematically targeting the legal,
political, and social recognition of transgender people in a dozen or more countries,
learning from its past mistakes and refining its most effective methods
in order to eliminate trans people's ability to participate in society.
When the 2015 North Carolina transgender bathroom bill failed catastrophically,
it was impossible for most to imagine how horrifyingly effective the movement that birthed it would become.
It seems like the inevitable forward march of history itself was enough to be smugly confident
that it had nowhere to go but up.
So how did we get here?
In her 1991 book, Backlash, the author and journalist Susan Faludi
charted a history and theory of backlash politics.
Flutie had watched as the women's rights movement ground to a halt,
and its hard-fought victories were snatched away one by one.
It wasn't just the Reagan Revolution's 12-year dominance.
It was that every aspect of American culture
had seemingly turned against the concept of women's rights overnight.
Pop culture began portraying career women through anti-feminist stereotypes
created by right-wing agitators,
and legitimate journalistic institutions
started uncritically repeating bunk scientific studies
about how much unhappier women were
when they entered the workforce,
or waited to have children.
Women's role in the workplace shrunk,
and the so-called rights of the fetus
grew at an inversely proportional rate
to the rights of the person carrying it.
Despite the remarkable success of the backlash
against women's rights,
it plays a rather insignificant role
in our general understanding
of how women's position in society
has developed over time.
It's as if there was no,
backlash at all, and our current rather sorry position is merely a product of where the victories
for women's rights have left us. This is, of course, with the exception of elements of the backlash
within recent memory, which seem too hard to ignore. It's as if we have been on a slow but steady
upward swing throughout the 20th and 21st centuries, only to see some significant downturn
when this loss is recent enough that it is impossible to ignore. We are so entranced by the
image of progress. We are so invested in it that it is hard to realize the degree to which this
anti-feminist backlash continues to structure how we talk and think about both the patriarchy and
women. We are so blindsided by the feeling that our victories will last forever that we don't even
realize when our world has become structured primarily by our defeats. So where did this backlash even
come from? I think the answer to this question clashes pretty strongly with how we generally view
progress. Well, yes, most people will concede that fascism could happen here. The actual content
of backlash politics and the nature of the movements that birthed it can be far more subtle
and Mussolini's March on Rome. Backlash politics can find profound success in a liberal democracy,
where a majority of the population views themselves as in favor of civil rights and social progress.
Progress, as it is generally talked about, is simply an act of convincing the majority of society
that a downtrodden group deserves to be treated better. And as soon as this is done,
assuming one lives in a liberal democracy, the laws of the land will reflect this belief.
On this view, laws generally reflect the sentiments of the majority. Elected politicians accurately
represent their constituents, and the degree to which a marginalized group receives legal
and social recognition is inextricably linked to that group's favorability and opinion polls.
If you think that this is a straw man, that's because it is. It's how progress makes us feel
and any successful form of backlash politics is able to take advantage of this false sense
of security. Crucially, backlash is neither a top-down conspiracy nor a grassroots swelling.
It is a multifaceted blob of conflicting interests and motives, enjoying both elite support,
and exploiting and feeding upon the fears, bigotries, and confusions of the public.
As Faludi writes,
The backlash is at once sophisticated and banal,
deceptively progressive and proudly backward.
It deploys both the new findings of scientific research and the dime-storm moralism of
yesteryear.
It turns into media soundbites, both the glib pronouncements of pop-syche-trend watchers
and the frenzied rhetoric of new right preachers.
Backlash politics is broadly a chameleon.
It defines itself in whatever ways it must in order to adapt.
to a new political environment marked by a move away from the old conservative status quo.
It can appear progressive to liberal journalist elites,
scientifically rigorous to judges and politicians,
and a controversial hot topic to newsroom pundits.
The demands of the backlash are defined by a group who is in cahoots purely as a result
of their collective opposition to a particular form of progress.
This is the essence of what makes backlash politics so effective.
It isn't merely the old and now defeated status quo,
nor is its success contingent upon the overthrow of the liberal democratic order.
It can advance its goals in a liberal society occupied by a progressively-minded populace
and shape its arguments to fit within our popular image of societal progress.
Yeah, while the backlash to feminism successfully curtailed the freedom of half of the population,
how might this differ from a movement intending on further marginalizing a group approximately 50 times smaller?
The backlash to transgender rights is simultaneously far more totalizing in its vision for society,
and much more modest.
While the segment of society this movement is attempting to disempower is far smaller
than the anti-feminist backlash. The severity of this disempowerment is openly spoken about
in far more absolute terms. And especially for the good of the poor people who have fallen prey to this
confusion, transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely. The whole preposterous
ideology at every level. While the anti-trans backlash has gained considerable purchase in America,
It still must be understood that it, just like the anti-feminist backlash before, is not a coordinated conspiracy, taking orders top down from a shadowy cabal.
It is a rickety coalition of well-meaning clinicians, pedophilic sexologists, militant feminists, right-wing culture warriors, headline-chasing journalists, and conservative politicians, groups that, even as they sometimes work together, nonetheless carry completely antithetical images of their ideal society and trans people's place within it.
While the fruits of the anti-trans backlash have only begun to properly ripen in the past decade,
its seeds were planted more than half a century ago, embedded in the early encounters between
cisgender male doctors and a new clinical entity, some of them had begun attempting to treat.
The transsexual. The birth of the Western Gender Clinic, an indisputable moment of progress for the
trans community, a moment when transgender health care became standardized and legally attainable,
also provided the blueprints for the transphobic empire.
to come.
Mr. Backlash, Mr. Backlash, Just who do you think I am?
You raise my taxes, freeze my wages, and send my son to Vietnam.
In the late 1940s, Christine Jorgensen, a former American G.I., then living under her old male
identity, discovered a book titled The Male Hormone at her local library.
This fictional detective novel fantastically explored some of the newfound possibilities for the
modification of sexual characteristics opened up by the burgeoning field of endocrinology.
To put it simply, doctors had discovered doping, and after testosterone was synthesized in 1935,
they'd begun to develop experimental therapies that promised increased vitality and extended youth.
Yet this was not the only significant breakthrough being made. It was certainly not the component
of the male hormone that Jorgensen was most interested in. Scientists had also begun conducting
experimental sex changes on animals, confirming the suspicion of many biologists from the 18th century,
including the likes of Charles Darwin, that sexual characteristics could be modified through chemical
alteration. To quote from the book Christine was reading,
testosterone, when you gave enough of it, could actually transform hens toward roosters.
They stopped laying eggs. Their hinder parts narrowed toward the anatomical build of that
of their lords and masters. They started to strut. They began to crow. They conducted themselves
in every particular, like kings of the barnyard, though they might not become actual fathers.
Yet these experiments were not only being done on animals. Even going back to the early 1920s,
German sexologists had been providing medical intervention as a means of treating patients who wish to
live as the opposite sex. The paradigm defining figure in this form of treatment was a man named
Magnus Hirschfeld, who opened his Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin in 1919.
Hershfield would coin the term transvestite in 1910, as a medical diagnosis
not only for those who desired to cross-dress
and achieved arousal at doing so,
but also those who wish to live as a different sex
than the one they were assigned at birth.
In 1950, Jorgensen would travel to Denmark
to meet endocrinologist Christian Hamburger,
who over the next three years provided her with hormone replacement therapy,
lowering the testosterone in her body and raising the estrogen
to better resemble the levels of a cisgender female.
He also performed two sex-change procedures on her.
These procedures were banned at the time in the United States,
so Christine had used her Danish heritage as an excuse for her frequent trips to Denmark
in order to continue her transition in secret.
She intended to continue living in New York in a life of relative anonymity as Christine,
a name she chose to honor the doctor who treated her.
Yet in late 1952, the letter she wrote to her parents coming out was leaked to the press,
and the story of her medical transition covered the first page of the New York Daily News.
The title for this story reading,
XGI becomes blonde beauty.
Operations transformed Bronx youth.
Parkinson was far from the first individual to receive hormone replacement therapy or undergo sexual reassignment surgeries.
The history of early endocrinology and its use on gender non-conforming individuals who wish to change their sex is at the very least decades older than Christine's transition.
Yet her story captivated the American public, introducing them to the idea that science and medicine was capable of changing an individual's sexual characteristics.
Christine was almost immediately rendered into a spectacle, being written about in hundreds of newspapers in America,
and abroad. Audiences read the story through their own wonderments and anxieties about the
scientific possibilities opened up by the atomic age.
Jorgensen, for her part, took being publicly outed in what might be the most high-profile case
of medical transition in history in stride. She arrived in New York a few months after the initial
media firestorm in a scene akin to the Beatles' first trip to America. Journalists and
reporters analyze like her every move to see if they're sufficiently feminine and asking
horrifically invasive questions about her life. She would soon launch her own successful
Nightclub Act and appeared on various radio and television shows to maintain a career in the public eye.
Much of the fascination with Christine and the taste is like Coca-Cola, Cola. Much of the fascination
with Christine and the media came with benevolent intention. News stories of her often used
she-her pronouns to refer to her in the present, for instance.
Yet Juergensen was nevertheless still primarily rendered a spectacle.
The publicization of her story laid bare the most intimate details of her body and mind,
and it gave every pop culture consumer the social permission to speculate about and examine her mind and body
with the intimacy of a psychologist or medical doctor.
It was if she was a scientific test case for the possibilities of medically induced sex change.
Jurgensen navigated a particularly rigid and unforgiving image of white femininity present in the popular culture of the period,
doing so with an especially scrupulous audience who was looking for any potential reason to delegitimize her position as a woman.
One such rumor related to the idea that she was secretly intersex, having been born with female internal reproductive organs.
For the public then, as well as now, sex had been understood as an immutable characteristic.
Females are born female. Males are born male.
and your position on the binary cannot be changed at all.
This is how gender and sex broadly appears to a majority of people in their daily lives.
It can be believed by both the conservative Christian and the radical feminist,
despite their images for society being entirely antithetical.
This viewpoint is the easiest way of thinking through gender norms
and provides a relative stability for understanding how men and women relate to each other.
But Jorgensen's story had introduced an idea into the minds of the public
that biologists had already begun to understand a century earlier.
someone's biological sexual characteristics can be changed.
While many were uncomfortable with this fact, for some, it opened up new avenues of possibility.
The story of Christine Jorgensen served as a flashpoint for transgender health care of the United States,
not because she was the first to receive medical care related to changing her sexual characteristics,
but because she was the first major figure to demonstrate to the American public that such a form of care was possible.
Christian Hamburger, for instance, reported that after Christine's story went public,
hundreds of people, both wishing to become male and female,
wrote letters to him requesting sexual reassignment surgery from all across the world.
The cat was out of the bag, and clinicians, now more than ever before,
felt a need to formulate a response to these requests for care.
Holly came from Miami, FLA,
hitchhiked away across USA,
plucked her eyebrows on the way,
shaved her legs, and then he was a she, she says, hey, babe.
Take a walk on the wild side.
When we think of health care and medicine
and its relationship to a patient in need,
the most common association that comes to mind
is that of care,
things like the Hippocratic Oath.
First, do no harm.
Uplift the sick,
help those in need of their assistance.
And it's not a surprise why most of us, at least,
have this association.
You go to the doctor with a really bad cough and chest pain.
They prescribe you something,
and it helps alleviate your symptoms.
But what happens when doctors refuse to provide you care?
even when you are in need? What happens when a doctor thinks they know better than you? Even when it
turns out the solution they have in mind is actually far worse than the one you might be suggesting.
Doctors have power over their patients. And medicine, especially as it's implemented practically,
is far from perfect. Most, if not all, the significant medical professionals responding to the
upswing in requests for sex change procedures were white, cisgender, and heterosexual. The internal
life of one of their trans patients, who is in significant distress due to a desire to change their
sex, was entirely foreign to them. In the United States, the scientific interest in trans people
was mainly taken up by psychiatrists, most of whom had little to no interest in Hershfield's
paradigm defining work on the subject. His major work on, quote, the transvestite, had not even
been translated into English. Instead of following Hirschfield's suggestions related to easing
patients' discomfort through medical transition, most American medical professionals opted for a purely
mental approach, with psychotherapy as a means of dissuading the individual from permanently
altering their physiology. Yet not all American doctors were unfamiliar with Herschfield.
One essential figure in the development of a standardized medical diagnosis for those wishing to
change their sex was a German-American endocrinologist and sexologist named Harry Benjamin. He would
originally be introduced to Herschfield through a family friend in 1907, and the two would occasionally
visit some transvestite bars in Berlin. Receiving a German medical degree in 1912, Benjamin
would visit America in 1914, looking for treatment for tuberculosis.
Yet on his return trip to Germany, his boat was prevented from passing as a result of a
British Navy blockade on the country. Setting up an endocrinology practice in New York,
Benjamin would help import the sexological and endocrinological work happening in Germany
into the American context, frequently visiting Germany in the 20s and 30s, and working with
Hershfield as well as endocrinologists experimenting with the modification of sex. Benjamin had even
been Christine Juergenson's physician after she returned to the United States. In the 1920s,
Benjamin met with what he considers his first transvestite patient, Spangler. Benjamin suggested medical
intervention, meaning Spangler in 1928 was one of the first cases of a trans patient receiving
exogenous hormones, aka hormones originated outside of the body. At the time, Benjamin was still
working through the conceptual heuristic of transvestite provided by Hirschfield, which made no meaningful
distinction between what we would now consider a cross-dresser or a man who received sexual
arousal by putting on women's clothing and a transgender person. It is important to remember that
even those doctors providing groundbreaking medical intervention towards trans patients
continue to navigate their relationship with these patients through the beliefs and assumptions
about sexuality and gender of their day. In a letter related to Spangler's transition,
where someone had asked Harry Benjamin whether she was a, quote, a man, a woman, or a lunatic,
he replied this.
Believe it or not, this person is a man, a woman, and somewhat of a lunatic. So you guessed 100% right. To be serious, he is a married man, father of several children, but is a transvestite. That is, his passion is to go in women's clothes.
The internal world of these patients was, in a certain sense, entirely foreign to the doctors
treating them. Benjamin, the man of science he was, had nevertheless recognized the remarkably
positive effect that medical transition induced in his trans patients. While Benjamin did not
coin the phrase transsexual, he popularized it first in a lecture he gave on the subject in 1953.
He was on the cutting edge of American medical treatment of trans people and would be one of the
first in the United States to open up a practice for this aim during the 60s. At the end of that
decade, Benjamin would publish what was then the definitive rubric on transsexuality in his book
titled The Transsexual Phenomenon. The book contained a seven-point scale, ranging from the
pseudo-transvestite all the way up to the true transsexual high intensity. The transvestite, on the one hand,
simply gained sexual desire from cross-dressing, and the transsexual on the other had an intense,
long-standing desire to live as a woman, a belief that has been prevalent in them since childhood.
It should be added here that much of the clinical discourse surrounding transsexuals revolved around
transsexual women assigned male at birth.
Benjamin's scale did not focus on transsexual men.
While there are many coercive treatments that have been used in the past and present on gender
variant girls and transsexual men, we will primarily focus, at least in this episode,
on the clinical discussion surrounding transsexual women, as it was the primary object of
fascination among clinicians of this period.
One crucial component of Benjamin's rubric related to the Kinsey Scale of Sexuality,
Alfred Kinsey was a colleague and friend of Benjamin, introducing Benjamin to one of his first trans patients in the late 1940s.
Benjamin's true transsexual is mainly attracted to men, desiring them specifically as a woman, even if they may have previously been married with kids before transitioning.
The transvestite, on the other hand, is primarily sexually attracted to women.
Today, of course, we understand that trans people's sexualities vary in a manner similar to cis peoples, although Benjamin and the like did not see at the same.
same way. Benjamin's observation
borrows from a 19th and early
20th century concept called sexual
inversion, where homosexual behavior
was believed to be connected with behavior
correlated with the opposite sex.
Very little room was provided for
transsexual women, exclusively
or primarily attracted to women.
Benjamin's categorization is first and
foremost medical in nature. It was created
to solve a problem related to the gender
clinics popping up in the United States during the
60s, concerning which patients asking
for gender-related medical care would benefit
from treatments.
These Western clinics needed to be sure that those who were requesting care actually needed
it, and were not later, in large numbers, regret the non-reversible components of their treatment.
Such a reaction would not only damage their ability to perform future transsexual procedures,
but very well could have rendered these clinics liable to malpractice suits.
It should not be a surprise, therefore, that these very early criteria for transsexuality
focused on isolating the most outwardly severe and persistent cases demanding some form of treatment.
Benjamin's true transsexual of high intensity had such persistent negative feelings about their sex and gender
that both hormone intervention and vaginoplasty, the surgical creation of a vagina,
were urgently needed to alleviate their suffering.
We now understand that there are many different trans experiences not conceptualized through Benjamin's rubric,
where medical transition is greatly beneficial.
Many countries, such as the United States and Canada, now work on an informed consent model to very positive effect,
where the primary function of doctors is not to get-keep medical transition,
but to make patients aware of the effects of transition and let them decide for themselves.
Benjamin's rubric for diagnosing transsexuality was certainly problematic,
and it was born from a rather small sample size of patients he had encountered in his practice.
It blurred the line between transvestism as a sexual parapheria and transsexuality,
oftentimes leading many people who are certainly in the latter category
and would have greatly benefited from medical intervention being relegated to the former.
By the 1960s, gender clinics began to pop up around the United States,
While there were more than a decade late to the increased demand produced by the virality of Jorgensen's story,
there was nevertheless some process for trans people to receive medical care within the country.
These programs were very limited in scope.
Doctors required some sort of rubric to understand who is most suited to receive care,
broadly following Benjamin's assessment.
For the first few years, doctors were quite content with this rubric,
noticing how similar Benjamin's explanations of the true transsexual were to most of the prospective patients.
These patients would say they have always felt like a girl,
dressing up in women's clothing as a child and playing with girls' toys,
that even if they were previously married to a woman with kids,
that they were only sexually attracted to men,
that they don't receive much pleasure from penile genital stimulation,
that they view themselves as a woman trapped in a man's body,
all components of Benjamin's understanding of the true transsexual.
It wasn't until the late 1960s that doctors at these early clinics realized that many patients had been lying to them
and pretending that their personal life stories aligned sufficiently with Benjamin's rubric in order to receive medical care.
These patients were also able to read Benjamin's textbook and get the care they desperately wanted at these clinics
that had very few spaces open for them.
While doctors initially assumed this was because the patients were pathological liars or psychotic,
it is fairly clear that their life stories did not match with Benjamin's account,
and yet they still desperately needed the medical care being provided in these programs.
Doctors would also consider a multitude of very unscientific factors with relation to who received care.
Most of the patients in these clinics were white, conventionally attractive,
and naturally feminine enough that doctors had faith that they would be the most likely to pass,
a.k.a. blend in as cisgender women. The first gender clinic to open in the United States was at
Johns Hopkins University in 1966 by a medical psychologist by the name of John Money. Of the
approximately 2,000 patients who applied in the first two years there, only 24 received surgical
intervention. It's difficult to properly place John Money in both transgender history and its
backlash. On the one hand, he opened the first gender clinic in the United States and helped
coined and popularized several important concepts in our understanding of transgender identity,
such as gender roles and sexual orientation. Though contrary to popular belief, gender identity was
first coined by UCLA psychologist Robert Stoller. On the other hand, Money also had a deep distrust
for trans people. He once said that transsexuals were, quote, devious, demanding, and
manipulative, unquote, and possibly incapable of love. Money had first become interested in the subject
of trans people through his work with intersex children beginning in the 1940.
He had encountered a child whose parents had been instructed by doctors to raise as a boy
as a result of the child having external testes.
Yet this child had grown increasingly feminine since adolescence and now passed as a girl.
Conventional wisdom at the time among doctors concerning the sex of a patient
posited that the genitalia of a child determined whether or not they were a man or a woman.
And so in this case, where a child who appeared to be a girl had genitalia that marked them as male
picked money's interest.
He became fascinated both with better understanding these intersex conditions, as well as developing
a scientifically rigorous method of creating a sex assignment for these patients.
That is to say that for money, it was clear that all of these patients should either
be raised as boys or girls.
Intersex conditions merely provided a challenge to the male-female binary that he believed
medical science could fix.
Money would eventually choose the term gender as a means to better explain the inner psychological
affiliation towards men or woman that he believed intersex patients still had.
Money's conceptualization of gender was quite different to how we might understand it today.
For money, our gender identity, or whether we come to understand ourselves as either a man or a woman,
essentially develops out of the sexual characteristics we have during our childhood and adolescence.
Everyone is initially completely plastic, molded by the sexual characteristics that we have as we develop into adolescence.
We go through various stages, or gates, as he calls them, related to the gendered nature of our behaviors and our sense of self.
As we age, these gates, the most fundamental of which are the earliest, close.
And we are locked into some component of the gender connected to our sex.
So while we're not born with a gender, our sexual traits inadvertently determine our gender as we age.
This conceptualization of gender allowed money to advocate for non-consensual surgical correction of intersex children's genitals,
altering them to appear more similar to a non-intersex child.
He believed that this would produce intersex children who had a stable identification with being either a man,
or a woman. One high-profile case related to Money's surgical intervention into children
was the John Joan case, aka David Reimer, whose genitals were badly damaged after a botched
circumcision. At 22 months, Money counseled his parents to give David's sex reassignment
surgery and raise him as a girl, believing that the child's gender identity would develop
into being female because of his altered sexual characteristics. Money subsequently counseled
both David and his twin, and reportedly sexually abused them, posing them in sexual positions.
and photographing them.
In his early teen years, a psychiatrist treating David wrote to John Money about how David
was deeply psychologically disturbed.
Yeah, money would keep this information quiet.
When David Reimer turned 13, he learned of the circumstances of his birth and reverted to living
as a man.
The medical community was, at the time, entirely unaware both of David's psychological status
as well as his decision to revert to living as a boy.
They assumed that the experiment was a success and proof of gender's plasticity.
Both twins, however, committed suicide in their 40s.
Money would take his attitudes towards intersex and gender non-conforming children with him
when he found the first transmedical clinic in the United States at Johns Hopkins University.
This was an academic clinic, so its primary purpose was developing a better understanding of transsexuality as a medical entity.
The trans people who volunteered, desperate for some form of gender-affirming care,
were half patients being treated and half guinea pigs pushing the bounds.
of science. Initially, money and the others running the clinic did not even want its existence to go
public, only working through private recommendations from Benjamin. When news of the clinic's
existence broke into the public sphere, the committee that ran it publicly stated that its purpose
was, quote, to deal with the problems of the transsexual, physically normal people who are
psychologically the opposite sex, end quote. This statement betrays the attitude that money had
towards what was beginning to be understood as transsexuality. First, that it was a problem to be
dealt with. And secondly, that it was distinct from intersex conditions. The idea that an individual
could be, quote, psychologically the opposite sex, end quote, seems to almost directly contradict
money's views of gender as they apply to his study of intersex people. As an example of money's
earlier attitudes concerning transsexuality, he wrote this in a letter to a transgender woman
requesting medical intervention in the 50s. It is impossible for a person to change all the habits
of a lifetime as a male, habits of thought, of feeling and action, simply because he gets
hormones and undergoes surgery. You may wear women's clothes, but in spite of your conviction of
yourself, you will never think and feel as a woman through and through. This statement follows
fairly directly from money's earlier image of gender. While it's quite malleable during very
early stages of development, having male sexual characteristics and being placed within a male
schema for social development throughout someone's life, which surely prevent them from meaningfully
identifying at the level of their gender with being a female. Money viewed the transsexuals he
was studying as having what he called gender cross-coding. Many of the observations that led to this
conclusion were bound up in the sexuality of trans patients he was studying. For money, so-called male-bodied
individuals are primarily sexually driven by visual stimuli and genital stimulation, whereas so-called
female-bodied individuals cared more for physical touch and emotional intimacy. Money noted that
the male and female transsexuals aligned far more with their identified gender and
not their natal sex.
This is another instance where Money's conception of gender works to solidify
biological determinism, where it codifies stereotypes related to how men and women think about
sex as being based upon their biology, and transsexuals merely have a gender that is
the opposite of the rest of their sexual characteristics.
Money maintained that this was likely the result of some biologically driven phenomenon,
pointing potentially to prenatal sex hormone exposure as having an effect on neural
pathways, as well as a failure to identify with ones assigned sex because of restrictive gender
norms. For money, gender could be completely malleable, entirely determined by biology,
or contingent upon healthy psychosexual development depending on the context he was writing about.
It was a term that was meant to ensure a biologically determined image of sexual identity
in a scientific context with a belief that man and woman were merely determined by what genitalia
person has was becoming refutable. When he explicitly resisted the use of the term gender being taken
up by more constructivist thinkers, such as second-wave feminists for this very reason.
For money, gender was a tool to enforce rigidity, even if under this rigid image money did
allow for the most supposedly presentable and potentially passing transsexuals to gain access
to medical transition.
Down to Cypress Avenue, with a childlike vision sleeping into you,
This view of transsexualism was shared by Money's student Richard Green,
who had begun to study so-called feminine boys with money in the 1950s.
Money and Green argued that while many medical professionals viewed gender-variant activity within
boys as primarily just a phase, it represented an increased risk of an individual developing
into a transsexual as an adult, an outcome that the two believed to be suboptimal.
Money and Green therefore viewed the scientific study of these gender-variant boys
and the rendering of their behaviors into a psychological condition
as useful for preventing the supposedly suboptimal outcomes in the future.
Their work would be foundational in later studies of gender non-conforming boys,
which broadly took with it their assumption that this gender variance was not desirable.
Although Green's earliest work suggests a view of homosexuality as suboptimal,
he eventually came to the conclusion that it was instead biological
and lobbied to remove homosexuality from the DSM.
The classification was removed in the early 1970s.
Although it should be noted,
he still believed parents had the, quote, legal right,
unquote, to try and counsel homosexual behaviors out of their children.
Green conducted research on transsexualism as well,
and helped create the blueprint for the diagnosis
of gender identity disorder of childhood, or GIDC.
Even if one reads the creation of this diagnosis
as ultimately progressive in recognizing transness,
treatments require a DSM diagnosis to be covered by insurance after all,
The logic underlying most of his work is the assumption that transness was an outcome to be avoided.
Green's later work in the 1970s would shift to finding a potential link
between gender-variant boys and adult transsexuality,
an outcome that Richard Green was much more willing to explicitly contextualize as undesirable
than his teacher John Money.
This is possibly to do the theories of another of his teachers,
Robert Stoller, who drew on psychoanalysis to conclude that the behavior of effeminate boys
came from their repressed tomboy mothers,
who saw their sons as, quote,
their treasured, feminized phallus, end quote.
In 1970, Green, under the auspices of UCLA,
would conduct one of the largest studies of gender variant boys in American history.
He called it the Feminine Boy Project,
which later became the basis for his 1987 book, The Sissy Boy Syndrome.
Green procured boys for his study from local psychiatrists, psychologists, as well as on TV.
He asked for prepubescent boys that dressed, acted, or expressed,
a desire to become a girl. All told, he and his colleagues studied several dozen so-called
feminine boys, expecting them to either be pre-homosexual or transsexual. To his surprise,
he found that only one of them became a transsexual, and that 75% ended up as gay men.
Observing this, Green concluded that transsexuality was very rare, and that most children
would desist in gender-variant behaviors when entering adolescence.
This large desistence is likely due to a few factors. Aside from the larger social stigma
and medical barriers surrounding transition that existed in the 1970s, a gender variant child
was, and still is, a much broader category than what we now think of as a transgender child.
Not every child who cross-dresses or expresses interest in the opposite gender stereotypical interests
or walks with a supposedly feminine gait will wind up asking to transition.
This is important to consider as, nonetheless, children with no gender dysphoria and no desire to
transition, but a gender expression outside of rigid, binaristic norms can nonetheless be labeled
as gender variant and were often sent to treatment. A child included in Green Study under the pseudonym
Craig was sent because he had experimented with cross-dressing and disliked being a boy because,
quote, boys had to go to the army and be killed. The child had expressed no discomfort with his
anatomy, nor even wearing boys' clothes. This is in line with how the diagnosis of GIDC would develop.
GIDC held different standards for boys and girls.
In 1980, the diagnosis would require a girl to state a desire to be a boy,
whereas boys simply had to strongly express that desire.
By the 90s, GIDC, or later GID, aka gender identity disorder,
could be used to diagnose children even if they expressed no stated desire
to change their sex or gender.
There was also the fact that, as we'll be discussed next episode,
Crean and Coe's observations were more coercive than the study might have implied.
What little progress money in Benjamin had made by the start of the 1970s would not survive for the rest of the decade.
Ten years after the opening of the Johns Hopkins University Clinic, or J.H.U., a man by the name of Paul McHugh was hired and immediately set to work closing it down.
McHugh, a staunch Catholic, opposed sex reassignment surgery out of religious conviction,
and believed psychotherapy to be more appropriate for transsexuals for reasons,
that did not seem to be based in evidence but religious ideology.
As the American College of Surgery tells it,
under McHugh's leadership,
Johns Hopkins University psychiatrist John Mayer, MD,
published a study of 50 surgical patients from the JAHU Clinic,
which concluded that GAS offered, quote,
no objective benefit for transgender people.
Although this claim directly contradicted a growing body of evidence
that found significant benefit for transgender patients,
the publication sparked the rapid closure of the J.HU Clinic in 1970.
More specifically, Meyer stated in that report that sex change operations were a, quote,
subjectively satisfying, unquote, but did nothing for, quote, social rehabilitation.
McHugh reached a similar conclusion, saying, quote, I conclude that Hopkins was fundamentally
cooperating with a mental illness, unquote.
The New York Times reported on it as such, quote, benefits of transsexual surgery disputed
as leading hospitals halt the procedure.
More gender clinics shuddered in the 1970s as well, while some quietly close,
due to a lack of enrollment, others were forcibly closed by an often religiously motivated
medical establishment. The gender clinic at the Religious Baptist Medical Center in Oklahoma
was shuttered by a 54-2 vote by the board of directors. Pushback from medical gatekeepers,
compounded by the difficulty transgender individuals had in paying for the surgeries, as well as
some of the few surgeons who knew how to perform the procedure retiring, meant that the practice had taken
a significant blow by the end of the 70s. The same year the J.HU Clinic closed, however, the Harry Benjamin
International Gender Dysphoria Association,
now known as the World Professional Association
for Transgender Health, or W-Path,
was formed by a group of individuals
including Benjamin and Green, quote,
for the study and care of transsexualism and gender dysphoria.
Richard Green, meanwhile, started the journal
known as the Archives of Sexual Behavior in 1971.
Even with the J.HU Clinic and many others closed,
the quest against medical care for transsexuals continued,
but the paternalistic medical professionals
and Catholic reactionaries were not the only ones on this crusade.
They were joined by an unusual ally.
Members of the Radical Feminist Movement
Janice Raymond was not the first member of the feminist movement to advocate against transsexualism,
but she was crucial in popularizing the rhetoric of anti-trans radical feminism.
One of the first targets of her wrath was a trans woman working at the woman's music label
Olivia Records by the name of Sandy Stone.
While Stone worked as an engineer, the label received a manuscript for Raymond
attacking Stone's presence at the label, beginning an onslaught of harassment against Stone
from, by her accounts, a group of queer women who wrote similar sounding letters.
Stone remarked that, quote, it was as if people were out there passing around a form letter,
unquote. As for the manuscript, it would later be turned into a book called the Transsexual Empire,
the Making of the She-Mail. In it, Raymond wrote that transsexuals, quote,
rape women's bodies by reducing the real female form to an artifact, unquote, and then suggests,
quote, the problem of transsexualism would best be served by morally mandating it out of existence,
unquote. Raymond's beliefs were, even among second-wave feminists, controversial. The year prior
to the empire's release, two feminists wrote the book, Gender, an Ethno- Methodological,
approach, which approached transsexualism with considerably more curiosity.
The second wave movement's own backlash has had the effect of rewriting the movement as being
man-hating radicalism, what had fought for many practical, economic opportunities for all women.
Raymond's beliefs, well certainly not universal among the movement, weren't an outlier either.
Her book built upon the attitudes that many members of the radical feminist movement held.
In 1980, the National Center for Healthcare Technology commissioned Raymond, among others,
to research the efficacy of transsexual medical care.
Raymond, unsurprisingly, found such practices to be, quote, and quote, controversial.
And quote, because of the lack of well-controlled long-term studies
of the safety and effectiveness of the surgical procedures
and attendant therapies for transsexualism,
the treatment is considered experimental.
In 1981, centers for Medicare and Medicaid services agreed.
Transsexual surgery was removed from Medicaid and Medicare.
As the Reagan revolution and the AIDS epidemic swept across the states, the 1980s would turn out to be an unimaginably dark time for the queer community, cis and trans alike.
Playwright Larry Kramer wrote a letter begging NIAID head Anthony Fauci to take the pandemic seriously.
But as the United States weathered countrywide backlash to the rights of women, people of color, and queer people, the development of transgender medicine and treatment continued up north, where a few figures developed new practices and typologies to further treat the condition of transsexualism.
On nights like this, when the world's a bit amiss, and the lights go down across the trail park, I get down, I get down,
I feel a hat.
I feel on the verge of going mad.
And then it's time to punch the clock.
I put in some makeup
down a tick-deck
and put the wake back on my head.
Suddenly I miss Midwest midnight, check out Queen until I head home, and I put myself to that.
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