QAA Podcast - See You In Valhalla, Charlie (E341)

Episode Date: September 24, 2025

Liv, Travis, and Jake discuss the continuing fallout from Charlie Kirk's assassination and new details from Tyler Robinson's charging document. Thanks for subscribing to QAA on patreon. Check out our new podcast series network Cursed Media and binge the entirety of our new show Science in Transition by Liv Agar and Spencer Barrows: https://cursedmedia.net Editing by Corey Klotz. Theme by Nick Sena. Additional music by Pontus Berghe. Theme Vocals by THEY/LIVE (https://instagram.com/theyylivve / https://sptfy.com/QrDm). Cover Art by Pedro Correa: (https://pedrocorrea.com) https://qaapodcast.com QAA was known as the QAnon Anonymous podcast.

Thank you. If you're hearing this, well done. You found a way to connect to the internet. Welcome to the QAA podcast, episode 341. See you in Valhalla, Charlie. As always, we are your host, Jake Rakitansky. Liv Eakar. And Travis View.

I leave for a week and a half. You know, to go on a research trip that for a project I'm very excited about, which I had been planning for months, and then this happens. I'm, of course, speaking of the horse. terrifying assassination of a right-wing activist, pundant, and podcaster Charlie Kirk. And, of course, all the subsequent fallout from it, which includes the Trump administration using the murder as a pretext to tighten their grasp on mass media, the right discovering their own love for cancel culture, and the FBI director, Cash Patel, making this bizarre

comment at a press conference. Lastly, to my friend Charlie Kirk, rest now, brother, we have the watch. and I'll see you in Valhalla. Also, we have the watch. Is this like a Game of Thrones? Is it? Oh. Is it like, where's it from?

It's like you can be the FBI director and still want to be like a cold prisoner on top of like an ancient wall. I just, you know, it's cool to be the FBI director. But even he's like, ah, we have the watch. The walker, the walkers draw near. I do feel like the FBI is now Knights Watch coded, given that it's like Cash Patel is running it.

Like, there's a type of guy who's like in the Knights Watch. Yeah. Somebody who gets stuck there is punishment. Yeah. He tried to get out of it. He was like, can't I run the FBI like from my bedroom instead? They were like, no, you got to come into work.

Yeah, you know, I think it's usually used to like communicate like a change in guard or like for like in like retirement ceremonies, you know, they say like, you know, it's like, all right, well, yeah, their idea is like after a long period of standing the watch, then like someone else, you know, it's like the responsibility is carried on. Then we have the watch, which I don't know. I think that it's like it's bizarre for him to say it because they didn't do the same thing. He was like, like, he was like a right wing like pundit and propagandist.

And Cash Patel is the FBI director. These are not overlapping roles, even if they may be ideologically. aligns? What the fuck are they talking about? I mean, maybe it's very revealing of like, now it's time for us to, like, villainize trans people. Like, you've, you've had your role doing this. Yeah, I mean, I shudder to imagine if the roles were reversed and let's say what they would, you know, what we would call a far left, you know, somebody far left in the eyes of Republicans was assassinated. And like, you know, if the FBI, like Andy McCabe or whatever,

James Comey got up and was like We've got the watch Like we'll see you at pride or whatever You know like if you imagine like how many fucking people Would lose their fucking minds See you in gay heaven Yes you in gay heaven They would be like

Ah they would lose their fucking minds Especially this I mean it's like Charlie Kirk famously very Christian And like he's saying like I'll see you In like the Viking afterlife I think this has to be To me this has to be a Mad Max thing. That they both loved, they both love Fury Road. And it's, it's like, you know, because I'll

see, you know, the war boys, when they would sacrifice themselves, they, they believe that they were going to Valhalla. They were excited to get there. That's, that's my, my take on it. I could be wrong. Probably. Yeah. They just liked movies together. They both liked Mad Max Fury Road, which is understandable. It's a fucking fantastic movie. Yeah. I do just think it's very revealing, like, the FBI director is just overtly being partisan in this respect. Yeah, totally. It's our time. It's our time to put cultural political pressure on the American liberal, like in left. Hey, man, everything you stood for, everything you believe in, like me, the FBI director, I've got that now.

I'm going to carry the torch. I was thinking this past week, like, just given all of this insane reaction and sort of like repercussions of this murder, you know, this almost happened to Trump. Like, I think about that, like, this almost happened to Trump. Like, I can't even begin to fathom, like, How tenfold, like, the fascism would accelerate, had that been the case? It is a different type of guy, though. Like, if you had, like, a crooks killing Kirk and he was, like, a vaguely Republican,

I wonder how much, like, less hard it would have hit, culturally speaking. Because it seems, like, ostensibly, like, at least, like, left liberal motivation, according to those logs of, like, he's hateful. Like, if, I mean, if someone killed Trump and was, like, it's time to stop the right-wing hate or whatever. That would have been profoundly, have profoundly affected the country. Sure, forever. Much like the JFK assassination, which is still a part of our culture. Yeah.

One of the strangest sort of like reactions came when a bunch of NFL teams, not everyone, but a lot of them, had like moments of silence or, I guess, special recognitions for the death of Charlie Kirk during the games. I got a list of them here. It was Green Bay Packers, New York Jets, Dallas Cowboys, Miami Dolphins, New Orleans Saints, Kansas City Chiefs, the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Tennessee Titans, and the Arizona Cardinals. Like, for like a, I mean, it's not the Bears, baby. What's the, what I can't, it's like, is there any, you know, uh, if like Rachel Maddo got got or something, do you think there would be like NFL games or of, moments of silence? Are you kidding? They fired, they fired Colin Kaepernick for taking a knee for black people murdered by believe, of course not.

It's like, oh, well, Charlie Kirk, like, we're going to do a fucking blue angel, a flyover. Yeah. It's so fascinating to me to see this man instantly be, you know, glued with patriotism and America and all of this stuff. It's like, if I had to pick a shining symbol, you know, of America, it wouldn't be Charlie Kirk. Yeah. It was like, I, like, again, I was very, I was very busy the days after it happened.

But when I was like sort of like catching up on the commentary and the news, I was very sort of like bewildered by the characterization of his career and his beliefs. And like, you know, there's a lot on the right. It was like, he was just like a, he was just like a normally Republican, just a real kind of like, you know, just a meat potato's conservative. Not a far right guy. Oh, God, not extreme at all. I'm like, what the. I was like, what the fuck? Because like I've been familiar with him for years.

So it's like, where are you talking about? I remember when people were like, get politics out of football. They were like, we don't want to see it. We just want to show up and watch a game. And now it's flip. It is so funny to watch. It's almost like monkey see monkey do. It feels like the right wing right now.

They've got something that could be like, see, we are oppressed. See, they are after us. We're not the fucking majority and have been winning for, you know, 2000. in however many years. They're trying to make this almost like an apolitical death insofar as it's like regardless of what partisan slant you have, you should agree like Charlie Kirk was a good man. The Nick Fuentes line on this was like, you know,

like if they'll kill Charlie Kirk, the moderate, imagine what they'll do to you. It's like this guy was not a moderate. I want to know what football stadiums are doing to honor like all of the children who are murdered by gun violence every year. the dozens and dozens. The school shooting that happened on the same day.

The same day. I've never seen, did any of the NFL stadiums do like a moment of silence for Sandy Hook? Yeah. It is wild to think that if the gunmen had instead simply murdered 10 random people from the crowd, no one would talk about it. It would be out of the new cycle in a weekend. It really does seem like the right is trying to make this like their George Floyd, insofar as it's like a death they can use to.

to fundamentally, or to put pressure to, like, fundamentally change American society. Oh, yeah. This happened, so now you can't yell at us. Like, your job will get taken. And, yeah, it's not good. Yeah, it is not good. I mean, the truth is that, like, I have to admit, I have a special relationship with Charlie Kirk because he actually was, it was a Charlie Kirk tweet that set me on the path that may led me to you hearing my voice today. Because it was back in 2018, I was like, I was kind of like vaguely familiar with Q and on.

I thought it was like, oh, it's like interesting little kooky thing. But, you know, I wouldn't pay too strong attention to it. It's like it's just like a little, like, interesting, a little weird curiosity. But then I noticed a tweet from Charlie Kirk that sounded very, very strange to me. It includes some statistics about like arrests for like a human trafficking for child sex trafficking, implying that like Trump is like arresting so many more people for this. prime than the, uh, than the Obama administration ever did. And so it seemed wrong to me. And so I fact checked it. And I, I realized that the statistics that Charlie Kirk was kidding, that was basically

the source for the numbers that Charlie Kirk was, was getting from was, um, basically a QAnon meme, this sort of like this weird image that was that was posted to Reddit. And it was like, oh, it's like, whoa, shit, this is crazy. Like this Charlie Kirk, he's not, he's not some sort of like fringe figure. He's like, you know, he like talks to the president. He's on Fox News. He's amplifying like the craziest most unhinged bullshit from like, you know, 4chan and 8chan. This is, again, why I'm like, I'm not, like, I'm baffled

by the portrayal him as sort of like some sort of like moderate Republican. I think, I think most moderate Republicans don't just fucking like copy and paste Q&on memes from Reddit onto their Twitter account. So that's, uh, that's just very, very strange. But yeah, yeah. And then,

like the other time I met, well, I saw Charlie Kirk was, uh, in Arizona and the immediate after. of the 2020 election, there was the, like, the rally to count the votes in Maricopa County, whereas, like, there were lots of right-wing figures appeared, like Alex Jones. But, yeah, Charlie Kirk, he showed up, and then he gave a rousing sort of little talk, implying that the people who were counting the votes in the sort of the voting facility were corrupt. His exact words, I think, was roughly, were, like, oh, like, people like Lisa Page and people

like Peter Struck are, like, counting your votes right now. Like, the idea is that, like, there's, like, the whole, like, election process. The FBI lovers. Yes, yes. The whole election process is just helplessly corrupt and therefore you should not trust the outcome. It was like, yeah, that's, again, that's the idea that like this guy was like some sort of like moderate. I don't just like that, that that was very strange to me. Yeah, it seems like Kirk really served as like a bellwether for Trump style Republican politics, which like has become the Republican Party. And like in a sense, relatively speaking the moderate position between like, you know, a Fuentes or someone who's like

much further to the right, who's like flanking Trump on the right and then like, you know, a Democrat. Like that's what American politics is now, that the quote unquote, which isn't a representation of the electorate necessarily because there are still, of course, like actual moderate Republicans out there. They still vote Trump anyways. Yeah. Yeah. You know, yeah. I suppose he's a guy who like really, I mean, it was coalition building, building the bridge to like, I guess, like the wealthy donors who just want a tax cut, they're like the Christian nationalists who like, you know, just want, uh, you know, uh, sort of like religious values to take over everything. And also just bat shit insane people who, uh, who for whatever reason are attracted to the Republican Party. He was able to like, you know, be at the intersection of all of that. Yeah, and it's like a person who's like first and foremost cares about the kind of political consequences of his speech and where it aligns him and just like he wants to stay in the middle, which is why like the Groyper, the Groyper did a really good job at like pushing him to the right on like Israel. And then he realized like, well, I have to respond to that because that's kind of where the center of gravity of the party is moving is that there's like some components of it who are kind of anti-Israeli even if, you know, he's affirming the kind of Zionist general talking points, which is ironically like, you know, all the Israeli conspiracy.

conspiracy theories that it's like, oh, it's like, Nen Yahoo who killed him. Right. It's like, no, no, no. He's just following the center of gravity in the party. Yeah, the Overton window has shifted so far that, like, I think people really do believe that, like, Charlie is a moderate within their party. Because, like, essentially to the right of Charlie is, you know, like QAnon, and you

could make the argument, as Travis, you know, just said, like, you know, Charlie was sharing QAnon talking points, like, you know, seven, eight years ago. So, by the way, I took it. took so much shit from people, by the way, in that, in Collins' documentary, where he asked, you know, what was going, you know, what did I think was going to happen with QAnon? And I said, QAnon is so extreme. It's going to pull everything, right. Like, it's going to be, you know, Republicans will be, like, old school Republicans. And everything is going to shift. People got so mad at me, but I was fucking right. Not to I told, not to I told us, like, to everybody, but. I mean, I think that, like, Charlie Kirk. He also, basically, he, like, he followed, I mean, he ran, you know, organization that relied on fundraising from people who had a lot of money. And I think he really followed the interests of that. And I think you can see that in the evolution of Turning Point USA. It was like, I was thinking about the, what's really crazy to me about Charlie Kirk is that he did not live, he never lived a single year of his adult life in which he expressed a

like a value or an opinion or like a stance or whatever that was not. somehow under the influence of like donor money. Because when he was like 18 years old, this is like how he got started. He attended like a conservative conference. He got in because he wrote like a bright barred article that went viral and everyone liked. And then he attended that, yeah, he attended the conservative conference. And he like memorized the like the names and photos of like the top 25 conservative donors. So he could like walk up to them and make his pitch.

Like this, I mean this, this, I will say, I'll say something about Charlie Kirk. natural-born hustler. Like, this is a guy who really had the ability to figure out, like, what he wanted to do, figure out who can help him do it and then get in front of the people who can do it so he can make his pitch. So I guess if there's, I suppose if there's any compliment I could offer, it would be like, boy, this man was a stone cold hustler since the cradle. This was like, I knew a guy at a acquaintance in high school named Sam. And I remember one time he showed up to school and he had like a really.

dope car and everybody was like oh shit like where'd you get this and all the stuff and I found out that he like had been going door to door like selling knives like he worked for it was like you know kind of like one of those ads that like you see in the paper and everybody's like oh this is some fucking like scam or bullshit or pyramid scheme but he was like such a young hustler that he was like yeah I could go sell these knives he went door to door and I was it was the first time I was like whoa like you know 17 I was like just discovering pot for the first time The idea of, like, enterprising in any kind of meaningful way, you know, I wouldn't get there until my mid to late 30s. Yeah, so, like, what happened was that, like, at this conference, he managed to get in front of a, this, this, this mega donor multi-millionaire named Foster Freeze.

And he was, he was so, wait a minute, sorry to interrupt. Foster's Freeze, like the Foster's Freeze, like, custard and burgers, like on the corner, like, near my house. Like the Batman villain? Mr. Freeze is, he actually, Travis, chill. No, it's spelled F-R-I-E-S, Foster, Fris, freeze, something like that. Okay, so not like the beloved kind of like backyard custard burger joint? No, not like that. More like the Christian right omega donor.

Everything opposite of what I just listed. Yeah. So like Foster was like so impressed why this 18-year-old kid who was like making this pitch that he offered him like 10 grand on the spot. And that was, I don't know, man, that's like so, that's crazy. Like, how are you 18 years old? And you like immediately go, I want money for, for organizing and expressing my opinion. It's like, I'm going to go to the billionaires who sort of like really kind of like shovel money through to various elements of the conservative movement and ask for money.

It's like, I don't know. It's like 18. Aren't you a little curious what it would be like to express an opinion, express whatever it is you believe totally uninfluenced for millionaire money? don't, or billionaire money, aren't you like just, aren't you just a little wondering what's inside of you? What would come out if he was just purely authentic and unmotivated

by financial realities of the fact that if you say the wrong thing, that, you know, the money's going to dry up? I don't know, man, fuck, he's like, again, it's like crazy, he didn't live a single year of his adult life in which he knew what it was like to express himself outside the influence of

millionaire and billionaire money. I think it's just like an incredibly cynical view. seeing America in a lot of ways for what it is and believing that if you tap into that resource before anything else that you can become powerful and wealthy, which he did. Well, yeah, well, fuck yeah. This piece has played out. It's very zoomer coded to me. Like, it's like, it's a type of behavior from an area or from a period we're selling out isn't real anymore. Yeah, right, right, you wouldn't expect he's a little bit older. You wouldn't expect, like, seeing that now, like an 18 year old today doing that, it's like, sure. It's like you, you were in a society that is

like fundamentally broken in a way that it wasn't in previous generations. Yeah, like figure out Amazon drop shipping like yesterday. Mm-hmm. You know, uh, sign up for the AI courses. Sign up for the AI, um, retreat where they teach you like 27 AI apps to like manage your finance and become like rich. This is like the kind of targeted ads that I get that it's like, you don't know jack shit about AI, you fucking old man.

Come to my fucking retreat. We got 27 courses in three days. You're going to have four different AIs that are like, running your life for you. Yeah, it just feels like he was in on something early before, like, the rat race has gotten bad enough that, like, a much higher portion of the population is just like, well, what do I believe? I don't know. Which, what thing can I believe that will make like a billionaire donor give me $10,000 just like off of a pitch? I mean, I'm curious about his upbringing. I don't know if you, if you know anything, Travis, but to me, this feels like a rich

person's thing. Somebody that knows that a billionaires exist to that they'll give you your money if you come up with a decent enough pitch form and if you tow the line and what they want to say like that's somebody who grows up with people who are talking about politics who are talking about money who are you know they're aware of these people to me like i wouldn't even you know as far as i was concerned if i ask my parents for like i don't know like 350 dollars for rollerblades like it wasn't even worth asking because the answer was going to be no it's very like petty bourgeois huckster to me like very american spirit protestant sort of like knowledge is only useful in so far as it can gain you something objectively speaking yeah and i mean i mean

You can take a look as sort of like the shifting priorities in the history of TPUSA. And you can see how it sort of like changes with its donor base. And it's like very earliest conception like back in like 2012 to 2016, you know, like there was a big issue around deficit spending and, you know, the national debt. You know, there was this big on the TPUSA website, there's like all here's each young students' share of the national debt, you know, the government is spending too much money. Like, why, do they think, like, young Charlie Kirk was, like, deeply invested in this? I mean, I know that one of its, some of his big earliest donors, like the Koch network,

they were deeply invested in it because they were worried that, like, big deficit spending would lead to higher taxes on high net worth individuals, like themselves. So the idea that there's, like, they need to, they need to teach the government some fiscal responsibility so they're not, like, shoved with some sort of, like, big tax bill in order it. But that slowly went away. It went into like sort of like the at best of sort of like a back burner issue because he started getting a broader network of donors. I like who had different priorities than like they didn't give a shit about like deficit spending. They didn't really think it would lead to like higher taxes. And you know that's and the same thing with like immigration.

Like in the beginning like the first few years there was like all like the whole thing was like oh obviously immigration is fine but no illegal immigration. That's like that's the distinction. And, like, the reason why this wasn't a big issue is, again, because, like, the Koch brothers, like, they're, at very least, they're, they're actually pretty pro-immigration, sort of, like, libertarian types. And so it wasn't sort of, like, a major issue for them. But then he started getting some new donors, like, Richard and Elizabeth Eulene. These are, like, a couple that really use a lot of, like, immigrant invasion rhetoric. So this led to TPSA and Charlie Kirk's rhetoric changing on immigration. You know, it's interesting. Like, like, back in, like, 2019, there was, like, what, the Gryper War, the sort of, like, Nick's Fuentes types, attacks. hacking Charlie Kirk for being too squishy on immigration, for not being a hardliner. Like they didn't want to like, you know, that kind of thing because he was kind of like a little bit more like, you know, libertarian squish, I guess I would say on immigration. But then after like 2020, that changed real quick. He's talking about like putting a total moratorium on all immigration. Like what the hell changed? Well, the change is that he started

getting donor money from different sources that had different priorities and all of a sudden his rhetoric change. I mean, this is why I feel like when we're talking about Charlie Kirk's legacy is challenging to like really talk about like what he believed, right? And some of some ways, I don't know what he like really believed or what he really thought was important. I think he was like obviously an authentic right winger. But like he what he said, the words that came out of his mouth and out of the like, you know, the sort of TPSA's publications was ultimately dictated by the people who were funneling his organization millions of dollars. Well, I think he believed in America's true God, which is money.

And, you know, I think a lot of these people like, you know, just anecdotally, the religious stuff comes because it's like, oh, I'm so grateful. It's not that I am the cynical person that instantly recognized the quickest and easiest way to amass wealth and power. No, it's not that it's like, I'm honest. this divine path and I'm humble. It's the same thing we've always been doing. What do they manifest destiny, you know?

And I think it's clothed in the religion. I think it makes these guys feel better. That's the problem when you have a country and a culture in America where, you know, gaining wealth and having more than or, you know, enough to protect you and your family and stockpile, you know, stockpile wealth because you never know who's going to try to take it for you. Then there's no such thing really as beliefs. because whatever is going to net you the most, you know, financial gain is where you're going to, you know, sort of tune your efforts and your focus and your beliefs.

I think that's why it's so easy for people like us and, you know, other sort of like political analysts to just go like, oh, you fucking hypocrites. Look at that. Look, they said this one thing. But like now look at them. They're doing something completely different because, well, nobody actually really has any other beliefs other than trying to. not become poor, you know? That's like the American fucking dream is like, don't be, you know, that sad sack with no roof over their head, no fucking, you know, big phone in your pocket, you know, no fast, you know, high speed internet.

I don't know, it's just like, it's very, very, very depressing. I'm sure Charlie Kirk believed in like the movement that he was a part of and his ability to ingratiate himself off of it. It's like as long as it's here and I have a big institution within it, you know, donors are giving me money. I'm like the guy who organizes college campuses for, you know, among conservatives, you know, then he was fine, you know, which is, it's a very good summary. I think of a lot of American conservatism. It's just like a little bit more overtly cynical because he's like an ideologue.

But like they do just believe like in, I guess the violence of American institutions and their position at the top of them. And it's like whatever allows or facilitates that to continue, like that's what they believe. That's what's, that's what is useful. And I'm like, I'm guilty of the. I didn't start this podcast with Julian because I was worried about conspiracy culture, you know, severing, you know, a decent portion of the population's connection with reality. I wasn't like, I gotta do a podcast to warn the people about Q and I. I was like, I'm working this like shitty fucking assistant job, but Julian and I are doing this other podcast. Like, I guess maybe it's another piece of shit to throw on the wall.

Maybe, you know, maybe something will come and I'll be able to quit my life. like shitty day job, you know, that's, you know, fucking driving me insane. You know, I didn't start this because I was like, oh, my dummy, I truly believe. You know, it was not that. It was out of, like, a necessity to survive in a system where, you know, creative brain like mine was, was having difficulty adapting, I guess. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I was, I was just tweeting about a thing I thought was, like, really interesting and happened to align with, like, some of my amateur interests.

And like, you know, whenever I got some downtime at work, you know, I sort of like was reading through whatever the Q&N community was gathering and sort of like, you know, figuring out the narratives and the cue drops and all that stuff. I just thought it was like super fascinating. And it's like, oh, but also super concerning. And like, yeah, I definitely had this fantasy that like, you know, like tweet about enough. And then like, you know, someone, someone would take care of it, I guess, I don't know. And then I would like go back to like shit posting. Just didn't just didn't happen like that. Let's talk a little bit about the fallout of the assassination.

The Washington Post, they fired their columnist Karen Ataya after 11 years at the paper over some blue sky post she made. And yeah, boy, I think you said, Liv, this may be the very first blue sky post firing ever. It's very impossible, I think so. Yeah. This particular post isn't why she was fired, but she included like a Charlie Kirk quote that I would characterize as lightly paraphrased. So this led to a whole, like, kind of like battle online. Here's the actual clip of what Charlie Kirk said. Joy Reed and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Katanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks.

We would have been called the racist. But now they're coming out and they're saying it for us. They're coming out and they're saying, I'm only here because of affirmative action. Yeah, we know you do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. I see. And then she characterized that as Kirk saying that black women don't have the brain processing power for those positions. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He actually was just saying it about Michelle Obama, who was a lawyer, right? And well, yeah. And Ketengi Jackson Brown, who's a Supreme Court judge, right? He's just saying those specific black women are DEI hires. At like the highest levers of power.

Incredible. I was like, yeah. I was like, no, it's like, he's like, oh, she's just, he just happens to be listing, like, four of the most, like, you know, politically influential black women. He's not, it's not saying all black women, just, just the ones who have influence and power, those ones. Like, I guess it's not a direct quote to say that he said black women exactly, but Jesus. And it's like, he's just, he was talking about four black women in explicitly racial terms when discussing about affirmative action. Yeah, this really does feel like it's probably not. quite as bad, but, like, you know, right after 9-11, like, there was, like, Bill Maher got for saying that, like, the people who'd flew the planes into their buildings weren't

cowards, because he was like, that's not a very cowardly thing to do. And then he got fired. Like, it feels like we're in that period politically. Yeah. And the Wright knows it. And they're like, we have to use, we have to get as many people fired as possible. Of course. Yeah, we got to get them fired. They got us fired. Yeah, it's only fair. I saw that a lot on like our slash conservatism on Reddit, where they were comparing like the Jimmy Kimmel stuff. We'll talk about later to like Trump getting deplatformed after January 6th. And it's like he tried to take over the country. It's not the same.

Like Bolsonaro got like 30 years in jail in Brazil in a country that apparently has actually functioning legal institutions for like just copying what Trump did. He's like, I'm going to do the thing Trump did. And then a real court system that actually works gave him like his life in prison. It's so far. I know I'm stating the obvious here. but it feels like we're all just so cooked because everybody's like holding like an apple and an orange, you know, in front of our faces and being like, no, it's the same fruit. It's the same thing, you idiot, you can't see this, you fucking idiot.

Like, and I think people just have like lost their minds like, oh, you know, over the last like decade or so of this, of this going on. Yeah. There's a part of me that doesn't like comparing it to cancel culture because it feels like just obviously much worse. Like it's like McCarthyism. Like, it's like, it's good to, like, highlight the hypocrisy. Although, like, they don't, because they don't give a shit. Yeah. It's so clear that they, they don't care about cancel culture.

They cared about, like, who is being canceled. It's like, it's the Star Wars lady shouldn't be canceled for saying QAnon is real because, like, they believe in QAnon. Whereas, like, Jimmy Kimmel should be canceled or should be fired because, like, he's, he doesn't believe the things they do. They're just very overt about it. I, you know, he's like, I always thought, like, yeah, the rhetoric about, like, it's, like, just general, uh, culture of free speech and no cancellations, no shaming anyone for their beliefs or anything. The struck me is the kind of like the slave morality of a group of people who do not feel confident in their cultural clout.

Like, there's a universal rule that you got to be nice to everyone, which consequently means you got to be nice to me. Especially me. But like once they felt like the tide was turning, once it was okay, we got the government power and like we're like we're turning that to cultural power. We was like almost fucking own everything. Oh, right. Never mind.

Fuck, we're going to take pay pay back. We're going to get them, we're going to get them fired. You know, it's really, yeah, it's really surprising to me wasn't that the right didn't actually have like a kind of like principled objection to getting people fired over their zesty tweets or whatever. I thought that was pretty obvious. I thought it was like, obviously, if they, if they could, they would. But it's striking to me that they didn't really believe that such an attitude or such a

culture was politically costly because like this whole ad tuesday it's like your your desire to be uh the censor people you desire to be so like smug and above people and like you know sort of like shame people for for not having the right opinions that's going to cost you power and that's why like trump won was like well if you believe that you wouldn't do it and like threaten the power you have now yeah we're entering this like horrifying era where the right is now like we are the morally superior uh you know, political party. But like they're still doing fascism. Like they haven't changed at all.

They just are like, oh, they're like, we have a manifest destiny now to like snuff out basically like whoever we want and would, you know, whatever way we find, you know, fit. Yeah, maybe this is overly confident, but I do think woke to is going to be so awesome. Like when woke comes back, the cultural reaction to this. Repackaged, repackage for them. I'm honestly, I am surprised the extent of the kind of cultural momentum they've been allowed to use because it does feel like the violence. shift like the vibe shift towards Trump has really like kind of waned in the last couple months this

feels like it's a weird kind of like last to end of that because the Trump Trump's approval was like going down quite a bit yeah it felt like the cultural like the cultural dominance at the start of the year when conservatives were being like oh we're back to like you know Reagan cultural hegemony for the right was just like immediately had like immediately vanished it seems like they are just maybe maybe a part of this is that they feel that it's slipping away and they're like we're going to use as much as we have until, you know, Woke 2 comes back, I guess. I don't know. There is an anxiety among the right, though, that I have seen recently. I've just, like, felt to do, like, some affect theory. Yeah, which is interesting. And I mean, I think this is part

of, like, their scramble to do, like, a redistricting in Texas and something. That's not the move of a party that's confident about their, like, midterm chances. Yeah. Like, oh, it's like, oh, it's like, oh, fuck. We're, you know, a year and a half out, we got to fucking change the rules because it's not looking good for them. But, yeah, I mean, it's like, again, maybe this is overly optimistic, but it seems like they are doing some things in order to counteract the kind of like, you know, the sort of like the drawbacks of their success. Yeah, and meanwhile, I think, you know, if you're like terminally online, you know, on the left

or center left, like following politics, like you have no choice to become a conspiracy theorist. Like, I was talking to a friend the other day about this, you know, Charlie Kirk's murder and I was just kind of like what do you what do you think happened and he was like oh he was like well did you see how the t-shirt was hanging off of him he was clearly wearing a vest he was like I think it was you know obviously a staged assassination and the kid the kid just fucked up the shot kid just fucked up the shot and he was so confident I was like wow and and I I understood in a lot of ways like what so many of our listeners have gone you know have gone through when they have a parent or a friend or you know family member like say something totally kind of you're like oh you're that's like a

pretty okay so that's like a conspiracy theory but you're like I can I'm not going to like argue with this what am I going to say like there's a lot of ways that you could stage an assassination without using like a real bullet and leaving leaving up to chance like wind resistance positioning and the talents of like a 22 year old kid using an old hunting rifle like if you're going to stage an assassin, but he was so confident about it, and I was just like, wow, we really, like, you have, if you're online, I was talking about this with my therapist, like, just yesterday, like, if you're online terminally, and you are following politics, like, terminally, you have no choice, essentially, but to become a conspiracy theorist. Yeah, it's ugly. Yeah, this one really

did break a lot of people in the left's brains, where it's like, this, the, the official thing that's happening can't happen. Like, we need some sort of conspiracy. receive. Like, what if the moon was made of cheese, actually? And so there's no, so they didn't happen like those. Yeah, I saw a lot of desperate groiper baking, which is like, oh, yeah. Yeah, you know, it's like because of the rivalry between the groopers and Charlie Kirk, I think it's a worthwhile consideration. It's just, there's just no real evidence. Yeah. It's like, oh, Bella Chow was on a fucking groiper playlist on Spotify. It must be a groiper coded. It's like, that's the stupidest fucking thing I've heard in my life.

He did the Slav Squad, which as we all know, us fellow Zoomers, that is a Groyper meme. It's not a thing I've just learned about fucking yesterday. And someone posted a photo of a Groyper Slav Squad. It made me lose my fucking mind, dude. People, yeah, the cope was insane. It's just, let's, how about we, like, begin in reality, first and foremost, and then we can set our messaging from there. They can't.

Neither side can because they've positioned themselves as good versus evil, dark versus light everything is queuing on it's like the best thing that this podcast has done for me is it's like it's taken me off of the team you know what i mean like i'm like in the bleachers watching both teams to a certain degree and like i don't have this sense that like you know this is good and this is you know this is evil but when you think of poly you know your political party and like whether you're you're red or blue or whatever then you can't then you can't learn that you're somebody that shares your idea has done something violent and like the right has gotten really good at compartmentalizing this because they've had to deal with so many far right people committing horrible acts of violence but i think liberals are just start it's just like it's uncomfortable for us you know we're new we're new here um we're new at being like nasty online we're new at like finding the pepays and doing the four chan lingo and imitating trump it's all new because like we saw it work for them and we think it's going to work for uh you know for whatever reason like politics is kind of like boiled at least online

So I totally get it I get it It fucking sucks To learn that like Politics aren't so easy And that like mass You know people who are violent Can't always just be like

Placed into a certain basket To make things easy It's just we're so far beyond that And yet every time One of these things fucking goes off The question is now who does he belong to Who do they belong to Who does she belong to

Who can we pin this on What basket can we put him in? Like we're not even talking about guns anymore Yeah It is crazy that like every single like high profile shooting immediately sparks a narrative war to figure out like how to. It's like a real vulture activity where the people are like, okay, how can I make this politically advantageous for me and disadvantageous for these other people? And it seemed to have worked like I saw some poll where like a plurality of people thought it was a right wing guy. Oh my God.

So maybe it's just like let's just do disinformation. Like like we have politics, it doesn't matter what actually happens anymore, especially with these like, intention events where like it could be a couple things you just like it was the other it was the other side no no no this the Spotify playlist indicates it was the other side um and then you just who care like who cares about the truth anymore it doesn't matter i saw i saw a handful of people you know a handful of people online live when you were you know posting about this being like oh she oh she thinks the shooter like wasn't a griper or wasn't far right like next yeah and that's us now Like we're doing that.

We're going, ooh, this feels like uncomfortable next. Why should we have to, right? Why should we have to? The Republicans, MAGA people get to live in like a total fucking fantasy world. Just like they want to do cancel. Why can't we live in the fantasy world? They're having so much fun. We want to have fun.

Yeah, no one's doing like real politics anyways. It's all just like online pretend world. So it's like, yeah, being behold into the truth is I guess a liability in that context. Yes, and QAA, we're scolds. as far as I'm concerned. Like, we saw, like, it sucks to be in our position. We were in a very, like, we were in the majority five, six years ago, even three, three, four years ago, we were in the majority.

But now we're in the minority and horrible scolds that are going to be like, well, sorry, like, you might have to have, like, a couple, like, an uncomfortable thought or an uncomfortable realization. I wanted it to be a groper so badly. Like, it was going to be so funny. And then it's just, like, I don't, there's just no. no indication. There was just never any real indication of that, unfortunately. Anyway. So another, uh, it's a very strange fallout from this is that attorney general Pam Bondi used

the event as an opportunity to float the idea during an appearance on the Katie Miller podcast of cracking down on hate speech. There's free speech and then there's hate speech. And there is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie in our society. Do you see more law enforcement going after these groups who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people so we show them that some action is better than no action we will absolutely target you go after you if you are targeting anyone with hate speech anything and that's across the aisle oh my god it's the fucking soy right is ascendant they're talking they're yelling about seed oils and have everything in their food being natural and

Now they're doing the thing of like, you know, some speech cancels at other speech. So that sort of speech, we have to cancel out to live in a free society. And the speech you're canceling out as like saying that Charlie Kirk was on the right. Or just like, I think he sucked. There's this weird conflation with like, you know, expressing not an approving attitude towards the work of Charlie Kirk and acting as if you are celebrating his death. But those are two different things. I think, you know, it's like a feature of like, I guess, liberal society.

is supposed to think that you can think someone sucks really hard, but still does not deserve to be murdered. Someone's going to lose their job because of a joke they made about it, and like a right-wing person is going to post that meme that's like, setire requires a clarity of purpose, less to be mistaken for, which is attempting to criticize. Well, and also, it's like cancel villain origin stories because there's so many people who got canceled, you know, right-wing people who got canceled. Like the announcer, the tennis announcer comes to mind, the guy who was calling one of the Williams sisters matches and said that, you know, She's using guerrilla tactics, and, you know, he meant obviously like guerrilla warfare, but he got fired and he got so much hate online that he had like a heart attack. And everybody who has like been canceled by, you know, the quote unquote left, you know, like that's somebody who's become a right wing person for life now. If you, you know, if they believe that one political side took away their livelihood or threatened their health or their family, like, you know, why wouldn't they want to. to be like, I'm coming for all your jobs.

It's only fair. It's only fair, because nothing else is fair. Like, the system isn't fair. And so this is, this is where we find our fairness. And unfortunately, it's with, it's with our hands wrapped around each other's throats. Yeah, it's like getting your pound of flesh. Yeah.

Ah, everybody's just a fucking big monster. Yeah, there's this, I think there's this weird, like, envy of, of their political opponents. There's this, there's this consistent belief that the only possible way your political opponents can actually gain power is through playing dirty or through some sort of illegitimate means or like taking some kind of low blow that you are too principled to take. And so there's this idea like, it's like, no, well, fuck. You're like if like canceling and like, I guess like talking about hate speech worked for the left, it's got work for us too. So after Pam Bondi like talked about this hate speech, she actually got a lot of backlash in Maga World because they were like, oh, you can't like

prosecute people for hate speech. But when Trump was asked about it, he seemed to like the idea, even threatening the journalist who asked him about it. And what do you make Pam Bondi saying she's going to go out for hate speech? Is that, I mean, a lot of people, a lot of your allies say hate speech is free speech. You'll probably go after people like you because you treat me so unfairly. It's hate. You have a lot of hate in your heart.

Maybe they'll come after ABC. Well, ABC paid me $16 million recently for a form of hate speech, right? your company paid me $16 million for a form of hate speech so maybe they'll have to go after you What? What is he talking about? I mean that is basically what Pam Bondi

means, I assume by hate speech like they are intentionally doing the soy right thing of like this worked for the left, we'll just steal it exactly I do like that Trump's brain is like broken enough that the only thing that he can go to is just like petty grievance he has like this is perfect

yeah no I would love to use this to silence my opposition. Yeah, yeah. It's like, I mean, yeah, obviously he's like, he's so excited about the idea. It's like, hey, I mean, this is a great opportunity to like, you know, to hurt you. You ask me any questions. I was like, I love how much of a bitch he is. Just like the person asking him the question.

He's so messy. Now, the funniest response from Trump on this issue actually came when he was like interviewed about it recently on Fox News. Charlie said, you know, that there was no such thing as hate speech. he obviously you know no one anticipated what what happened to charlie but you have always been might not be saying that now oh man that's so funny it's so cool how like completely explicitly unaffected trump has been by this like he did not give a fuck about charlie Kirk he's like oh well I guess that's not good for mobilization of the youth or whatever but he just did not care at all

yeah pretty indifferent I love I love how he it was like allegedly his is like, you know, like a real, real friend to, I guess, himself and lots of other people to write immediately after his death, he shoves words in his mouth. He animates Charlie Kirk's corpse to make him say something that he would probably never actually say. That is the funny thing about, like, a couple, like, Stephen Miller did this about Charlie Kirk where he was like, you know, the last thing that he said to me was like, you know, fight on or whatever.

I feel like that's usually in bad taste, but, like, you just know that, like, that's exactly what Charlie Kirk would have wanted about his death is, like, use this to hurt the left and as regardless of how shameless it is like you know that he's looking up and like saluting right now absolutely all that i feel like yeah in life he even has a very young man he felt like he looked at like yeah the the right wing network and said i it's like i know i have some certain talents use me he's like a reverse pinocchio you know he was born with those strings and he like he went to all the people who handle the strings and says please use me use my use my use my abilities for your ends, for your agenda.

And so I'm sure he would be very happy to know that that has not ended just because his life has. Another strange consequence is that ABC pulled the late night show Jimmy Kimmel Live off of its schedule indefinitely. This came after Kimmel's September 15th monologue about the killing of Charlie Kirk. So ABC confirmed the show is on an open-ended hiatus, not officially canceled. I don't know. Maybe they're like, okay, we're just going to take them off the air and wait them until this blows over. And then put them back, that might be what's happening. Hello, this is Travis from the future of when we recorded this episode. Since then, ABC has returned Julian's favorite TV show Jimmy Kimmel Live to the air.

In a statement, ABC said, quote, we have spent the last days having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy, and after those conversations, we reached the decision to return the show on Tuesday. However, the local station network's Next Star and Sinclair, which owned more than 20% of ABC affiliate stations, said that they would continue to not air the show, and in that way, the free speech battle of the sidekick on Ben Stein's game show rages on. In a September 15th monologue, Kimmel criticized how some MAGA figures were responding to Kirk's killing, and then two days later, ABC Yanked the show. So here is the clip of Jimmy Kimmel. new lows over the weekend, with the

maggie gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it. In between the finger pointing, there was grieving. On Friday, the White House flew the flags at half staff, which got some

criticism. But on a human level, you can see how hard the president is taking this. I condolences on the law of your friend, Charlie, Kirk. May I ask, sir, personally, how are you holding up over the last day and a half I think very good. And by the way, right there, you see all the trucks?

They've just started construction of the new ballroom for the White House, which is something they've been trying to get, as you know, for about 150 years. And it's going to be a beauty. Yes. He's at the fourth stage of grief. Construction. Demolition. Construction.

This is not how an adult grieves the murder of someone he called a friend. This is how a four-year-old mourns a goldfish. It's a good joke. Honestly, I'm, I'm impressed. I'm surprised by that Kimmel punchline. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that punchline is pretty good. But, like, what a lot of people objected to with the line, the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it.

Just objectively cracked thing. Yeah. It's, yeah, it's one of the things when you actually, like, learned, you actually read, you actually read. didn't understand the meaning of the words he's saying. All right. Is absolutely correct. Of course. But, you know, in fairness, like, everyone was doing this as sort of like they were online

trying to characterize with his beliefs as politically as contagious as I can't. But they interpreted as Kimmel implying that the alleged shooter, Tyler Robinson, is MAGA or Trump supporter, which is not the case. But it's still, like, I don't know, like, every person on the left on Twitter was saying that as well. And it doesn't, it seems like he, I don't know, has anyone lost their job other than Kim for making that observation that just seems like like as like they were polling like a plurality of people's takeaway from the shooting is that it's a right wing guy and that like you know kirk

helped participate or produce the kind of environment of violence that led to his own death like i don't know it does seem like Kimmel getting punished for this is like a much more extreme i think version of or will produce a much more extreme version of the backlash to like cancel culture against the right after January 6th because it seems like a lot more people in American society agree with and not only agree with but think that Kimmel's take is like lukewarm compared to like you know the all the Q&on people who were banned five years ago well and also didn't Jimmy like tweet like right after it happened like he was like you know I'm thinking about Charlie and his family like he tweeted something like nice like afterwards I think you know the right wing is just mad that they're

like no it wasn't one of us killing one of us no this time it was you that was The monologue seemed to inspire FCC chair, Brendan Carr, to threaten the use of his agency's regulatory powers while speaking on the Benny Johnson show on the 17th. But frankly, when you see stuff like this, I mean, look, we can do this the easy way or the hard way. These companies can find ways to change conduct, to take action, frankly, on Kimmel, or, you know, there's going to be additional work for the FCC. Again, there's actions that we can take on licensed broadcasters.

And frankly, I think that it's really sort of past time that a lot of these lights. licensed broadcasters themselves push back on Comcast and Disney and say, listen, we are going to preempt. We're not going to run Kimmel anymore until you straighten this out because we, we licensed broadcaster, are running the possibility of fines or licensed revocation from the FCC. If we continue to run content that ends up being a pattern of news distortion. So, yeah, I mean, like, yeah, we can either do this the easy way or the hard way. I mean, that's some real gangster language.

It does not seem good for the future of American public life. Yeah, so on the evening of the same day, so what happened was like Next Star, which is like the largest U.S., like individual like station owner, announces ABC affiliates would preempt Kimmel for the foreseeable future. Then Sinclair claimed it would replace the show with a Kirk tribute and then demanded Kimmel apologize and make donations to Kirk's family and turning point USA before airing him again.

donations to Turning Point USA as if it's like donating to charity it's like donating to this poor widow and she just lost her and she will be using the money to make it illegal to be transgender by the way that is no more immigrants no transgender anymore and honestly kind of problematic of you to not give her all your money after making an objectively correct statement about yeah next star for their part actually denied that they acted because of Carr, saying its executives made the call independently, which is hell no. If that's true, then Carr did a very stupid thing by speaking that way. So FCC chair Carr's statement was so brazen that even Senator Ted Cruz made a rare

break from the Trump administration to condemn the comments on his podcast. No, no, no, no. Look, look, I like Brendan Carr. He's a good guy. the chairman of the FCC. I work closely with him. But what he said there is dangerous as hell. And so he threatens explicitly. We're going to cancel ABC's license. We're going to take him off the air so ABC cannot broadcast anymore. And I got to say, he threatens it. He says, we can do this the easy way or we can do this the hard way. Yeah. And I got to say that's right out of Goodfellas.

That's right out of a mafioso coming into a bar going, nice bar you have. here it'd be a shame of something happened to it's a killer accent by the way yeah i know boy yeah he committed to that he's like he immediately went to imitate the most annoying like the shortest gangster that's like hey what are you doing around me yeah you got a yeah got a shotgun behind the bar do you but yeah yeah it was funny it was like it was like a lot of people claiming that like you know FCC i was like who was like a lot like i characterized like well this is obviously naked abuse of powers Like, you know, someone says something I don't like It's sort of like politically nasty or whatever

And so I'm going to use what federal power I have To threaten and punish them or and get them to behave as I like And then people were like, no, it's like they were they thought it was a ludicrous thing to suggest But if you fucking like Ted Cruz he's like no obviously obviously this is a this is a veiled threat Yeah, I mean it's interesting about this has been a tendency and like I don't even know if Ted Cruz is a moderate Republican but moderate Republicans in general of like you know hand waving about the more authoritarian components of, like, the Trump Republican Party, but then obviously, like, just not doing actually anything about it, like, falling in line

eventually, because they like enough of what Trump is doing that they don't care about the fascism part. That's true. You might be just thinking long term and having this objection to his back pocket for when, if Republicans fall out of power, he can sort of, like, claim, no, no, no, I always objected to the FCC being used in this way. Yeah, I wonder, I mean, this is a very live. statement, but I do wonder how like these sort of decision is polling. Like, I'm assuming a

plurality or like, or a majority are like, I don't think the Kimmel should lose his job for that. I think that's crazy. Yeah, that might be it too. He's just looking at the numbers. Did you guys happen to see that there were protests outside of the Jimmy Kimmel building? You know, Hollywood sort of came out to support Jimmy after the suspension of his show. No, no, I did not see that. Woke is still back. It's not going. We still have work. Yeah, so I was just, I was watching this and obviously that's awesome. Like, it was a bunch of writers and stuff.

And like, of course, of course, like Hollywood is going to come out, especially, you know, to push back against the Trump administration and, you know, protect comedians and screenwriters from persecution over, you know, something they say in their content. But I did think it was funny. I was like, well, we've certainly come full circle. You know, I have now seen two sets of Americans protest outside of Jimmy Kimmel, one to, you know, to stop the believed human trafficking that he and his crew were complicit in, and now to protest his firing after a very lukewarm, almost tepid indignation of Charlie Kirk. I just think it's funny. No matter what side you're on, you'll eventually end up in front of the Kimmel building. It's like the, it's like the, it's like the museum and Ghostbusters too. Like there's a river of slime and it's always back to like, you know, the sewer beneath El Capitan.

Which is so funny because like Kimmel is not a divisive figure. No, not at all. He's very lukewarm. He's just kind of a guy who shows up and he's like, hey, I'm a liberal. Isn't that crazy what Donald Trump's doing? Yeah, yeah. That is the real, like, the Nick Fuentes thing where he was like, you know, they kill Charlie Kirk the Moder and imagine what they do to you. That's, that's me about Kimmel. Like,

they did this to Kimmel. Like, imagine what they're like, yeah, yeah, exactly. What are they going to do the QAA podcast? It must have to leap out quite a bit of, we constantly have to bleep one of the hosts for making violent threats. Yeah, sometimes two hosts. Yeah, yeah, sometimes two. Yeah, sometimes two. We've added a second host who also likes to make violent threats every now and again. Not so much is the one guy, but, um, But, you know, nevertheless, yeah, what are they going to do to us? Is QAA going to become, like, underground radio? I do kind of fancy myself as some kind of Kyle Reese figure.

That would be cool. That would be really cool, actually. That would lend even more to our street credit. Well, Travis has been preparing up in the mountains there. We've got an HQ. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We, yeah, I'm going to, yeah, it's like, yeah, when the shit hits the fan, I'm just going to disappear into these mountains. Live will be trapped in the, in the Coachella Valley.

but it's okay it's okay they're building disney cotino there which is a storybook living community by disney and they're building like a fake man-made lagoon so we can like escape to the um to like the disney neighborhood and live off the lagoon as like the rest of the world turns into mad max around us it's a woke safe haven that's actually a good idea for a movie or a show I should write that down you should that's good end of the world like the retired community at disney's cotino in the middle of the palm desert has to like fend off their they're like shopping mall neighborhood essentially from like you know war boys and like mad max goons that's fucking awesome we're doing that cursed media it's coming so yeah i want to end this

episode with some more information we got about the i guess the possible motive in the killing because um the the charging documents include a dialogue between a robinson and his roommate with whom he had a romantic relationship. And this is the way that they communicate with each other, I have to confess, is a little strange to me. It is so strange that some people were claiming that the whole thing is made up, which is, I mean, the government is going to have to make their case in court to a judge and a jury. So that seems extremely unlikely.

The thing about it for me is, like, Ken Klippenstein has Discord logs of Robinson's account in his, like, Discord group chatting, like, sorry, guys, I did it. I'm going to turn myself in. And so it's like, why the fuck would they fake these? Why the fuck would they fake these if they had those? It's like, I don't, did they hack his discord before he turned himself in to like get a fake admission? It's just like, it's also just like, it's so funny seeing like people like Brooklyn Dad Defiant being like, I understand like Reddit furry bisexual chasers really well. And this just doesn't work for me.

I just like as someone, as someone who is slept with like cringe Reddit bisexual men, this, this works completely to me. There's nothing about this that feels like, you know, maybe he's implicating himself at an absurd level. I understand that's skepticism. But the actual way that this guy talks, like, no, absolutely. I absolutely buy those. Go back. Everybody, I want you to, after the episode is over and you've listened to all the plugs, go to your phones and go to your, you know, last messages with your partner.

Scroll through, you know, and now imagine that you're a stranger looking at it. We all sound weird and fake in our text message conference. conversations. My wife and I will often have like, you know, seven one word, you know, one word, two word, three word exchanges. It's just everybody when they texts, you know, it's like reading Calvin and Hobbs and trying to imagine how Calvin sounds. You know what I mean? It's like everybody types different than they, you know, of course we're all going to sound weird and stilted while we're texting, especially if we've just murdered somebody, you know? It's sort of like how like everyone, whenever anyone's sex get revealed, it's always embarrassing. Like there's no non-embarrassing way. Yeah, of course. We all. I use too many, I use too many exclamation points or emojis than I would like to admit. I do find it interesting that, like, there was less skepticism around the Mangione manifesto than this. I wonder what, like, because there's a, I've noticed at least a very, like, market increase.

We're like, Manjeon and that letter, like, implicates himself. And, like, it's a letter addressed to the feds where he's, like, implicating himself. And there were people who were skeptical, but, like, you didn't get shit for being, like, here's the letter that Mangione said that the police found. I think it's like in some ways maybe like liberal's own sort of like, I don't know, like phobias coming through. Because they're like, oh no, well, if these text messages are real, then that means he did have a trans partner. And if he did, if he had a trans partner, he must be left. You know what I mean?

It's like as if there aren't like, you know, many, many right wing people, I'm sure. Yeah. No, I know. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, because I mean that it's just a terrible result. The fact that there's a trans partner of the killer. Although, again, I don't understand why the feds would fake a conversation where she's, like, not liable at all and had no clue that it happened. Yeah.

Like, while simultaneously trying to have, like, a campaign against trans people and being like, this is, this haven't because of the trans roommate. But also here are these faked logs where, like, she has nothing to do with it. No, she is a fucking patriot who turned in, who turned in the murderer of Charlie Kirk. She has been cooperating with federal law enforcement and she's going to give them everything she needs. She's a fucking patriot. She's going to, her evidence that she's supplying is going to get this guy the fucking firing squad, like you all want. Exactly. So that's facts.

Drop what you're doing. Look under my keyboard. There's a note that says, when the roommate looked under the keyboard, there was a note that allegedly read, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it. The roommate says, what? A bunch of question marks. You're joking, right? Now, that's a real. What with that many question marks?

That's real surprise. It's a real surprise. Yeah. Robinson, I am still okay, my love, but I am stuck in Orum for a little while longer yet. Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I got to grab my rifle still. To be honest, I'd hope to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you. You weren't the one who did it, right? I am. I'm sorry. I thought they caught the person?

No, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing. I'd plan to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet, almost enough to get out. but there's one vehicle lingering. Why? Why did I do it? Yeah. I had enough of his hatred.

Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully they have moved on. I haven't seen anything about them finding it. How long have you been planning this? She's still like, wait, what? Yeah.

How long, like, what? How long have you been planning? Robinson, bit over a week, I believe. I can get close to it, but there's a squire. quad car parked right by it. I think they already swept that spot, but I don't want to chance it. I'm wishing I'd circle back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle. I don't even know if it had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about Prince. I had to leave it in a bush where I changed

outfits. Didn't have the ability or time to bring it with. I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find Prince. How the fuck will I explain losing it to my old man? Only thing I left was the rifle wrapped at a towel. Remember how I was engraving bullets? The messages are mostly a big meme. If I see notices bulge, ooh-woo on Fox News, I might have a stroke. All right, I'm going to have to leave it. That really fucking sucks. Judging from today, I'd say Grandpa's gun does just fine. I don't know. I think that was a $2,000 scope. Delete this exchange. My dad wants photos of the rifle. He says Grandpa wants to know who has what. The Fed's released a photo of the rifle, and it is very unique. He's calling me right now, not answering. Since Trump got

into office my dad has been pretty diehard maga i'm going to turn myself in willingly one of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff you are all i worry about love i'm much more worried about you don't talk to the media please don't take any interviews or make any comments if any police ask you questions ask for a lawyer and stay silent it's so like such a profoundly careless and evil thing to do to your partner and then tell you're telling like delete these messages and then she didn't and she like handed them over to the feds oh my god i mean it you it you One of the reasons people thought this was fake is that it is a little strange that, like, if someone is like so, like, you know, cautious, they're able to, like, get a shot off and, like, you know, do the deed and then leave the scene without being caught. But then they're just, then in the text exchange, they detail everything, their motive, their procedures, where they left the rifle, like, you know, like, just spill it all out, like, like just on a silver platter for prosecutors.

That is quite convenient. Yeah. There were like six police officers on campus when it happened. It was not a very well-guarded area. Yeah. I mean, I guess Cashbertoll could be lying about the DNA thing. Although, I mean, he shouldn't have mentioned that in general because he's like sabotaging the case. But it seems like they've found his DNA on the gun.

He was not using gloves. And also, criminals are dumb. That's why you don't have to be that smart to be a police officer. You know what I mean? like people fuck up it is profoundly it's a profoundly stupid exchange like no i mean here's the thing he i mean like i mean like i mean like fuck he did a stupid thing he made the world as bad as charlie kurt uh was i feel like he like this really is going to make the world worse he turned up the pressure he turned he gave the right an excuse in their minds i think to do violence

and have it be justified that is one more notch that's one more engraving on their bullet, you know? People can literally justify any action when they think the alternative is being murdered publicly. So just it's not a good situation. I do like the people who are baking, like, oh, it's a 200-yard shot

that's like, he's a crack killer or whatever. And then it's like, you see how he jumped off the roof and it was like the worst, like he almost like broke his legs jumping off like a 10-foot roof or whatever. From what I've been reading on Reddit, so take that with like a huge, handful of salt and throw it over your shoulder for good luck.

Like people were saying that with that kind of scope and 200 yards and the rifle, they're like, eh, it's like not that crazy a shot to pull off. Like that the people who are like, this is Leon the professional. They're like, that's not realistic. Yeah, it's fascinating to me that the Israel conspiracy has like become like nonpartisan now. It's like I don't know. I guess Israel was giving him like a like a boy motor like girlfriend as like a reward for killing. I don't know why they would hire like him of all people to do this. Yeah, yeah. Why would

they hire this very stupid person who like leaves documentation of their step by step process? No, and he, you know, from what I read also in the conversation with his father once confronted, you know, his initial reaction was that he was like, I'd rather commit suicide, you know, than turn myself into the cops. So I don't know. I think we're, look, if you're, if you're wanting to go out and you're, like, and you're political, and you're like, you know what, fuck it, I'm going to, like, that's a viable thing now that has been demonstrated and put on the front page of every digital newspaper, you know, over the last however many years, I think that's like, you know, that's something that people do now. It's like Julian was saying, it's like political assassination. You know what? That's like on the menu now. That's, that's on the menu of something that can get you a lot of attention. It could possibly be a way to go out in a blaze of glory. And, I I don't know. Yeah, it is interesting how people were baking, like, oh, he's like an in-cell, you know, like, you don't even understand the life that he was living.

It's like, based on the Ken Clibbinson account of, like, him talking to some of Tyler Robinson's friends, like, he seemed like he had a pretty normal life. It's, like, generally well-liked. He had, you know, friends he gamed with. He went outside. He had a partner. It's just like, yeah, people like that. American society is fundamentally violent.

Like, people, I don't think, I think it's scary for people to think about the idea that just, like, anyone who is, you know, you just, like, grew up around gun culture, like, is able to shoot, could just, like, go out and kill someone for political violence. It has to be this crazy violent, like, nihilist, which is just not true in American society. Yeah, I think, I think part of the reason why this was hitting so hard is that I think there was a kind of, like, assumption that, like, if you acquire a certain degree of, like, wealth and clout, you're obviously going to be protected somehow from, like, you know, the random violence that so many people have to suffer every single fucking day in this country.

But like he wasn't, you know, he was doing his job as he normally does. And he was just, did not see the sunset that day. Yeah, I think it's incredibly frightening for people to, like, to see how easy it is, actually. You know, that if somebody, you know, remotely puts their mind to it, that they can do an insanely significant act of political violence. I think that's really scary. It's scary for me, you know? Hey, we did live shows. Like, I never, ever felt in danger.

But I imagine that there are some people who are, you know, unstable, who are big QAnon fans who are not fans of us. I don't know. Like, how far does this go? I think it just, you know, turns up the pressure a little bit. And, like, that's the last thing that we need. Yeah. I was making this sort of, like, I guess, like, further frustrating, I guess, for a lot of, like, conspiracy theorists is that this seems like yet another just lone actor who would,

Like, there's simply no evidence of kind of like any kind of collaboration, even with a single other person. There's a, so there is a recent NBC news report that said that investigators haven't been able to link Robinson to any, like, left-wing organizations, and they're struggling to find a way to charge him with a federal crime. So, yeah, the report says the federal investigation into the assassination of a conservative activist Charlie Kirk has yet to find a link between the alleged shooter, 22-year-old Tyler Robinson, and left-wing groups on which president. Donald Trump and his administration have pledged to crack down after the killing, three sources familiar with a probe told NBC News. One person familiar with the federal investigation said that, quote, thus far, there's no evidence connecting the suspect with any left-wing groups. Also, I'm sorry to, like, circle back to this point.

It's clear I'm like fixated on it, but like, why the fuck would they fake the logs and then also make him a lone killer? You'd think that you'd be like, I'm also a member of the DSA. Yeah, sure. And, right, it just doesn't make sense. Sorry. No, they would say like, no, I am an agent of the Democratic Party. Soros himself, boy, he touched my shoulder with his sword.

So the source continued, every indication so far is that this was one guy who did one really bad thing because he found Kirk's ideology personally offensive. In addition, two of the people familiar with the probe said it may be difficult to charge Robinson at the federal level for Kirk's killing, while the third source said there's still an expectation that some kind of federal charge is, filed against Robinson. Factors that have complicated the effort to bring charges at the federal level include that Robinson, a Utah resident, did not travel from out of state. Kirk was shot during an open campus debate at Utah Valley University. Additionally, Kirk himself is not a federal officer or elected official.

What is the, maybe I'm like not American, I don't understand. What is the desire to like charge him federally? Because they're hitting him with the death penalty. Are they not? It's, it's, yes, they are. I don't know. I imagine just the administration wants there to be federal charges just so the DOJ can have a hand in prosecuting. So if it's just a state, then like Pam Bondi, like the rest of the DOJ, they're going to be like hands off.

They're just going to be watching. Yeah, the story ends for them. Yeah, it's like, okay, well, I guess this is a state matter and you handle it now. But this is such a big deal. And I mean, it's also like probably, you know, very good for publicity. this is such a sort of like an image focused kind of like department of justice they want to be the guys like we're the guys who is also bringing them down but it's like yeah they they want to be involved in prosecuting them and like yeah they don't want to hand it off to the state yeah i see i don't

understand why they don't turn on the discord log faking machine right just get a couple but oh yeah just include a line that said like oh by the way i actually uh cross over from arizona I went and got a McDonald's burger in Arizona. I came back. Thanks for listening to another episode of the QAA podcast. You can go to patreon.com slash QAA and subscribe for five bucks a month to get a whole second episode every single week

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documents. But yeah, I can be found on Blue Sky, which is like, honestly, it's not as bad as people say. People say it's this kooky lip fest. I don't know. It's not my experience. You know, you get out of it what you put into it. I do think I just like how toxic Twitter is, if I'm being honest with myself, That is perfectly valid.

It is like, yeah, it's like if you really like the muck, if you really like straight up like fucking like race realist occasionally popping on your 4U page, Twitter is for it. It's edgy. I'll give them that. But yeah, blue sky is a little nicer. Listener, until next week, may the Deep Dish bless you and keep you. We have auto-cued content based on.

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