QAA Podcast - The Charlie Kirk Murder Hearings Circus feat. Abner Hauge and Haley Orion (E382)

Episode Date: July 23, 2026

Jake, Julian, Liv and Travis are joined by investigative journalists Abner Häuge and Haley Orion, who traveled to Provo, Utah, to cover the preliminary hearings for Tyler Robinson, the man accused of killing TPUSA founder Charlie Kirk. They report on the conspiracy circus outside the courthouse: Candace Owens fans camping overnight for fourteen public seats, TPUSA influencers begging their own audience to stick to the facts, and innocent bystanders being doxxed as part of theories involving an exploding microphone and the “Maroon Shirt Boys.” The group also examines the anti-trans narratives surrounding Robinson’s partner, the harassment of Hunter Kozak and other witnesses, and the struggle over Kirk’s legacy as the conspiracy machine runs without interruption. Abner Häuge on Bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/lcrw.news Haley Orion on Blulesky https://bsky.app/profile/azrww.bsky.social WE WENT TO THE CHARLIE KIRK MURDER HEARINGS & ALL WE GOT WAS…BEING ACCUSED OF KILLING CHARLIE KIRK https://leftcoastrightwatch.org/articles/we-went-to-the-charlie-kirk-murder-hearings-all-we-got-was-being-accused-of-killing-charlie-kirk/ BLOOD AND ROSES AT UVU: AN INTERVIEW WITH HUNTER KOZAK https://leftcoastrightwatch.org/articles/blood-and-roses-at-uvu-an-interview-with-hunter-kozak/ Support Abner and Haley’s reporting on the pretrial hearings in Utah here https://fundrazr.com/d2kxH0?ref=ab_7rMser3CPJ47rMser3CPJ4 Subscribe for $5 a month to get all the premium episodes: www.patreon.com/qaa Check out our new podcast series network Cursed Media! All episodes of Spectral Voyager Season 2 are out now! Binge the entirety of Truly Tradly Deeply by Annie Kelly and Megan Kelly as well as Science in Transition by Liv Agar and Spencer Barrows: cursedmedia.net Produced by Liv Agar & Corey Klotz. Theme by Nick Sena. Additional music by Pontus Berghe and Jake Rockatansky. Theme Vocals by THEY/LIVE (instagram.com/theyylivve / sptfy.com/QrDm). Cover Art by Pedro Correa: (pedrocorrea.com) qaapodcast.com QAA was known as the QAnon Anonymous podcast.

Clouds above the 80s slowly drift white and golden like the backdrop for a painted cowboy. On my car speakers, the voices of a defense attorney and an FBI forensics expert go back and forth. They quibble about the reliability of DNA found on a dirty towel. The clouds get darker until their gray, sonic masses with strange tendrils snaking down into the distant hills. I pass Elko, fearing a tornado will form and pull me up to some nameless place above the sky. The voices in the courtroom say they're adjourning for the day. Then the clouds part. The white salt flats spread out before me, bright under parting skies.

In the shafts of golden sunlight, I see a tiny, smiling face. And hear an angel's chorus. It sings. We are Charlie Kirk, we carry the flame. Hello, Habibis. You're in Utah now. We are Charlie Kirk. Oh, God.

We carry the flame. Oh, my God. I don't like this. I don't know any of the other. He doesn't know the other. He does another ass. Wait, now I'll do it like, Michael Boubley.

See, this is, he has us hostage because he has to start the script after the fold-off. We are Charlie Kirk will carry the flame. Okay. Anything about it. You can't do anything about it. That's right. Because I got a... If you're hearing this, well done.

You've found a way to connect to the internet. Welcome to the QAA podcast episode three. Oh, sorry, kicked a garbage can. Welcome to the QA. Fuck. Welcome. Shit. It's taken from the talk.

God damn it. No, we'll leave all this in. This is where we are. At 382 to Charlie Kirk murder hearings is the name? No, this is where we are now. Okay. Episode 382, the Charlie Kirk murder hearing circus featuring... Oh, Jesus, my fucking alarms going off.

What a mess. What the hell is going on here? Again, Julian, I'm carrying 12 grocery bags. The bottoms have fallen out. The Twinkie... It's 12 packs of hostess snacks. And I'm caught fucking red-handed in the parking lot. There's no food in there.

Let's just start the whole fucking, this can be all part of the cold open. And now the real show starts. Okay. That's weird. If you're hearing this, well done. You've found a way to connect to the internet. Welcome to the QAA podcast episode 382, the Charlie Kirk Murder Hearing Circus,

featuring Abner Howie and Haley O'Ryan. As always, we are your host, Jake Rockatansky. Julian Field Liv. Hickar. In Travis View. Yes, today we are joined by investigative journalist Abner Howgie and Haley O'Ryan

from Left Coast Right Watch and Arizona Right Watch. Thank you so much for joining. It's been too long. It's been years. We're back, baby. Yeah, boy. Great to see you guys.

Yeah. Oh, great to see all your beautiful faces. I think the last time I saw you, Travis, you were getting harassed by Jim Watkins. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That sounds accurate. It was a hell of an experience. Now, that's a name I've not heard in a long time.

Boy, from another world. I still get his newsletters, yeah. Haley, I think last time I saw you was at the live show in Arizona, like 100 years ago. Oh, yeah. Right, that's more recent. So earlier this month, they braved the heat of Provo, Utah, to cover the pretrial surrounding a TPS' TPSA, founder, Charlie Kirk's alleged killer. And what they found was, you know, unsurprisingly, lots of chaos and nonsense.

Hey, real quick, everybody, I've got a solo project with, comedian John Gabris. It's called Superstructure, and it's a weekly podcast covering the power of political repression, propaganda, and revolutionary struggles the world over. You can go listen for free at superstructurepodcast.com. I'm good into that later. That's what I like to hear. That's the whole purpose. That's what it's for. That's what power means. The week after the 4th of July, LCRW covered the first round of preliminary hearings for the case of Tyler Robinson. Robinson is the 23-year-old accused of killing TPSA founder Charlie Kirk on September 10th last year. Robinson has not yet entered his plea.

The purpose of these hearings is to determine whether there is enough evidence for Robinson to stand trial, and if there is enough evidence to ask for the death penalty. LCRW was not able to get into the courtroom, but we witnessed a parallel story play out under its columns. Pizzagate promoter Jack Posobic, now working for TPSA, urged people not to give in to the conspiracy theories surrounding Kirk's murder. Candice Owens, a former TPSA employee who went her own way, has been spreading any conspiracy theory that'll stick to the wall since Kirk's death. She's claimed everything from Mossad to maroon shirt wearing audience members to an exploding microphone, probably planted by Egyptian spies, killed Kirk. And people showed up to the courthouse believing her.

Pilled podcasters and Owens fans camped out in front of the courthouse overnight, hoping to get one of the 14 seats to observe the trial in person because they didn't believe what's being reported about Kirk's murder. One Owens-pilled woman even sat behind Erica Kirk the last day of the hearings and said she was less suspicious of the widow afterwards. Once I got a good whiff of her, once I got the smell of her, then I know, then I knows that I can trust her. Yeah, her tears seemed real, that's all right. What we saw play out was a contest between Kirk's survivors, colleagues, and fans over his legacy, over who gets to carry the flame of his. is bigotry and how?

You mean who gets to carry the flame? And fly for the ghost. Expect Jake to come into the top of every single segment and every single time is to disrupt it. I'm like, wait a minute, I got a new musical theater bit. Four of our listeners are going to be squealing with delight. I've got a new musical theater bit. I mean, just the cursed words.

Carried a host, I wish they could execute. Have to be grateful. He only knows two lines. from the song. Thank God. Thank God. Yeah, if he wasn't such a dilettante, he'd be much more of a men. Are you sure that's a, that you should be thankful for that?

I might be a curse later on. My monkey's paws curling already. Two fingers down. So, yeah, these were just, yeah, like you mentioned, preliminary hearings, not even the proper trial, assuming he's going to, if he, if he please, not guilty. But, I mean, it was already turning into, like, quite a, you know, quite a chaotic circus. Lots of like, you know, people trying to, I guess, spin their own conspiracy theories or, you know, support TPSA.

So what did you find actually outside of the courthouse? I think the most notable thing was that there are TPSA influencers pleading with people to stick to the facts of the case instead of listening to Candice Owens. Oh, how the tables have turned. Yeah, these people, Jack Posobic and this guy, Bramond, Brandon Tatum, who I'm sure Haley can explain in more detail about his deal. But these folks wouldn't mention them by name, and they winced and Jack Posobic sighed very angrily before he answered my question about Candice Owens. So they didn't want to mention her at all. What we found was, you know, those folks were outside of the courtroom giving interviews.

Most of the questions were pretty insipid, like, what kind of memorial do you want for Charlie Kirk? Do you want a big golden statue for your special boy? Or do you want like a road named after him that's got like an indigenous person burial ground under the road, something like that? What do you want for your special boy? But, you know, the questions were insipid. The media really didn't, other than maybe Brandy Zedrosny, who was there to kind of analyze the conspiracy theories, pretty much nobody was equipped to deal with these people and they took them seriously. Their first mistake. Yeah, their first mistake.

You know, like they were asking the Pizza Gate guy, like, oh, how do you feel about all of these people spreading all these conspiracy theories? Do you think that, you know, they're going to stop when they see the evidence? And it's just, you know, in sipp and shit like that. Yeah. They honestly reminded me of Mary Sunshine from the musical Chicago, if anybody gets that reference. It's just like the kiss-ass journalist that's like an idiot. And every single person there reminded me of either Carrie Lake or. Sunshine from Chicago. There's one listener that's going to get that reference and fucking love it.

They will. They will. For my part, I actually, the only thing that I know of Mary Sunshine is Little Mary Sunshine, which is a musical, and I don't think related in any way. So I, too, I'm not that listener, unfortunately. Haley, when you said that, I was thinking that this other thing is not what you said at all. This is not that at all. Well, you got to put, you got to, Julian, you have to fill stuff in. You can't just say, you can't just be vague in general about it. You've got to fill in the details of what's not it. Yeah. What it isn't.

Yeah. Listen, it's like when you, it's like when you carve away what doesn't look like an elephant, then an elephant remains, you know, in the statue. It's the same thing. Yeah. If you say enough things that aren't what is that, that's a topic, then eventually you get exactly to the topic. You're a genius, actually. It's a fine art concept called negative space. Maybe you should look it up.

Look it up. I stand humbled. Yeah, I mean, there was like, you know, a finite space, I guess, around the courthouse, inside the courthouse. So, like, how did, how did people actually get these privileged kind of positions? So we're not privy to how the courtroom, I mean, the courthouse decided who got in and who didn't. But we suspect very strongly that, like, turning point had a say in it. There was a media list that you had to apply for two weeks before the trial started. And, you know, mostly it's just big national outlets who got in.

And, you know, of course, turning points, fake media outlet and News Nation, a couple of other of these, you know, kind of right-wing outlets got in. Mormon media, Desiret is there. Right, Desiret's there. I mean, they're local, so you'd expect them to be there, I think. And they were one of the only media outlets that were actually covering the day of. Right. Yeah. Mormon media.

Mormon media. It sounds like a Power Rangers villain. But if you didn't get on that list, what you had to do was wait for the seats that are open to the public. They're, I think, called the observer seats. There are 14 of those a day. For whatever reason, I guess it was fire safety and, you know, courtroom size and all that. But there were 14 seats and people were camping out overnight to get them. I've got some health issues, so that wasn't viable for me.

and we felt that, you know, the real stories outside of the courtroom, we could comfortably cover it outside of the court because everybody could see what was going on through the live stream. But the people we saw outside of the courtroom at night, we interviewed a few of those folks. They were, for the most part, they were either conspiracy theorists, conspiracy theorists, podcasters, or Charlie Kirk megafans, which I'm sorry to say exist. Yeah. It's like how like Justin Bieber megafans will, like, run up to be at the front to see Justin. and Bieber at Coachella. It's like the equivalent. Yeah, except this one,

this one, not as many people want the front of the front. Well, I mean, maybe not in public. One woman, though, that was like, she's kind of like a Candace Owens operative, and she's been on like a few other people that are tow in the like Israel did it line, including Stu Peters. She camped out for like 33 hours.

Jesus. Wow. Really shows how compelling some people find, like, the story that Owens has been weaving. And it's like, I want to see those characters in real life. presumably. Yeah, I think that's what it was. I mean, she's spent all of this time kind of just nitpicking all of these things and kind of playing to the more openly anti-Semitic branch of the right wing now, that anybody who wants a taste of that kind of pill, but there's kind of in this like socially acceptable turning point sphere of influence, you know, that's their drug now. And a few of these people showed up. There was, um, this woman, um, Brandy is a actually, over at MS Now, actually got a little bit more out of her than we were able to. Her name was Brooke Johnson.

She kept telling me in her interview, well, I just hope they get the right person or the right people who did this. And there's all of these questions about it. And we interviewed her on Thursday that week at about, maybe 9.30, 10 o'clock at night. Brandy came back at about 2 in the morning after I was just too exhausted to, you know, go and try to get these people with their weird and vulnerable hours. So props to her, she basically said, yeah, I'm a Candace Owen fan. I believe all of these things that Candace is saying about this trial.

And yeah, that's basically what it was, was a lot of people, ordinary, kind of on the right people, believe more of this kind of stuff. And the consequences, folks at Turning Point are kind of in the crosshairs of all of these conspiracy theories now, frankly, because I think there's a contest of power over who gets to lead the direction that the right wing's going in, like, who gets to be the talking heads, who gets to be the people who go on TV and make the case for all these extremist right-wing policies. And before it was kind of Charlie Kirk in his wing, and a lot of these people are more aligned with Nick Fuentes now. Like, Nick Fuentes is becoming somebody who's socially

acceptable to be on TV now. That's what they're trying to push for. Yeah, I saw, oh my, I saw some, he was, like, on some interview, like, that it was, like, kind of a mainstream channel. Nick Fuentes was, and I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe that we've stooped so low as to include this guy in any kind of conversation whatsoever. It really shows you how far the Overton window has shifted since 2016.

What a shame. It's really horrifying, yeah. the guy's a neo-Nazi. And I guess neo-Nazis are okay to be on TV now. You know, it's basically the dream of guys like George Lincoln Rockwell, guys like Thomas Metzger. This is their dream to be true. Absolutely.

And he's like a whiny, you know, he's like a, he's not even like a charismatic guy, you know, who can like, I don't know, like a failed actor or painter or something, you know, who can like rile people up, you know, get people riled out. He's just like, it's like a complainer. I don't know. The whole thing is just, gosh, bad content. Also, like, people within Turning Point have kind of, they've broken away from Turning Point because they believe that, like, Israel did it or they believe that even people within Turning Point did it. Like, Charlie Kirk's cameraman, one of his cameramen has, like, kind of radicalized

to the, like, more Nick Fuentes and, like, Stu Peters. He was recently on Stu Peters, and they're, like, talking about how, like, Israel and Turning Point did it. His mic exploded and actually killed him, kind of shit. I literally got a tattoo in Provo and the guy that did my tattoo was like, oh, my brother was there. I think he exploded. So like it's everywhere out there. I feel like I swallowed a peach pit. You know what I mean? Like it's just everybody is so building. Yeah, of course. Why not? Why not? Yeah, it's his shirt exploded. You know what? I saw a video a couple days ago on Twitter where I was like, you know what, it does look weird the way that bullet fucking is going through his neck. Like I'm not even thinking about the fact that I watched a live execution, totally desensitized to that already.

I've gone beyond to like be looking at different pieces of his body to be like, is this, is this what it looks like when a guy gets exe? I don't know. Are all the pieces in place here? Well, there is something I told a journalist who I was talking to there. I won't name this person because I don't want to embarrass them. There's a decent person. But somebody I was talking to is a photojournalist on the ground. He said, you know, even I've got my dad. doubts about this thing. Like, you know, they said there's bullet fragments in his neck and how could it be that way if he was killed by a 30-odd-6? That's for hunting deer. Isn't it supposed to go straight through you and all of this? And here's all these other little things that don't make sense. And

I had to tell him, look, in any kind of case like this, there's hundreds and hundreds and thousands even of all of these little complicated tiny factors. Some of the evidence won't add up. It always has, there's always evidence that doesn't add up. There's always things that don't make sense that you never really find the full story about. Why? Because that's the nature of reality. We don't get the full picture ever, even if we're right there and then. You know, we've only got two eyes in front of us and our other four senses.

And that's okay. Our job is to try to take a look at the whole picture and be as grounded as possible. and unfortunately a lot of media is weaponized against people being grounded and taking a look at the whole picture. Thus, you get conspiracy theories. Well, that was perfect. Thanks for listening to another episode of a QAA podcast. That about sums it up. Yep.

Yeah, I mean, I always think it's like really telling whenever you go into a scene like this that's being heavily covered elsewhere because you kind of like see some kind of disconnect between what you see with. your own eyes and what's being portrayed in more mainstream media sources. So what would you say it was like perhaps maybe the more strange or revealing moments that didn't make it into like the ordinary national coverage? I'd say the most revealing thing and perhaps the strangest thing was the way every outlet was too afraid to say what a vile person Kirk was or what a pack of liars and bigots his successors are. I mean, when I was driving up Highway 80, I spent eight hours you know, glancing between the road and Charlie Kirk's personal Twitter account where the live stream of his murderer's trial was. And why did they stream it on his account?

Because none of these people have enough clout and they don't have the followers, they don't have the engagement that Charlie Kirk built up in his own life by himself. So even though they've said on record, we're not going to use his social media this way, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They're using it this way because, in a way, they have to, and they're completely cynical about it. It's completely ghoulish, and no one's pointing out the fact that in all of these very sometimes subtle, and sometimes you kind of have to logic it out and think about it ways. They're being completely disrespectful to the man's corpse. I mean, say what you will about him, but, I mean, doesn't that kind of shock the senses? Just we don't have enough engagement on our own, so we're going to use our dead.

boss's social media corpse to live stream his own murderers trial or alleged murderers trial. You know, I always thought, you know, when looking back at the career of Charlie Kirk, he was someone who always essentially, since he was 18 years old, basically sought out conservative right-wing multimillionaires and billionaires to finance his operations and his message. And he was a happy puppet for that class. He went out and when he was told to focus on taxes and national debt, he talked about taxes and national debt. We is told instead the big focus is immigration. He talked about immigration. When he said the big focus is religion, they pivoted to religion. And so in that way, I mean,

I feel like, feel like, you know, the people who really benefited the most from Charlie Kirk's activism and message have always treated him as, you know, someone to, you know, put out in front of the public and hopefully in their vision, connects with the youth. And, and that way, he's always been kind of like a puppet. So it's not shocking to me that they would puppeteer his corpse even afterwards because he still, they're doing the exact same thing to him that he did when he's life. I think he was a happy puppet. I think he was a genuinely right wing. He was happy to be used this way by his donors. But I really think that they really don't see any difference between how useful he was to their movement when he was alive than when he, then after when he was dead.

That's why I think it's so funny that a lot of liberals have latched on to this. He was about to turn on Trump kind of narrative and he got taken out by Trump kind of conspiracy. And they kind of point to this, like, quote that he had about the Epstein files. But then you listen to him, like, the other eight hours of the day that he's recording. And it's like he was basically always enthusiastically supporting the Trump administration and MAGA and the right in every way that he could. So I do find that conspiracy to be funny. Like, he was about to flip on him. Yeah, it's funny because he's a person who is, like, so good at playing the center, like, where exactly he needs to be to make the most money.

And then you have a clip of like where it's like, oh, he's clearly in the center. He's dealing with like the Nick Fuentes fallout and the broader kind of like younger right wing negative reaction to Epstein Files and Israel. And it's like, oh yeah, he was clearly about to become independent. He was about to develop an independent thought for the first time in his adult life right there. Yeah. And no, he was a cynical operative. He didn't care. I mean, yeah, it's like his way of operating being so cynical built.

Well, it was like a nine figure operation. So it was like, he was like he was like he was about to derail. that by like going against the grain. I have to imagine one of the reasons why people, I mean, one of the reasons why people care less about like them, like, weekend at Bernies Ingham, basically. It's because like people are just like, more cynical and depraved, especially with the stuff going on with Candace Owens, how she's been using, it seemed to be like a close personal friend of hers in such a bizarre way.

And like the widow of a close personal friend in such a horrible way. I think it's also just like, it seems like something he probably would have wanted. It's harder to react negatively to Kirk stuff When it's like you could tell he's like looking up and applauding What's going on? I don't know if when you die you become a ghost and like you can decide either to step through or ring Well in his case like maybe you don't have a choice like where you go But let's say let's just say for argument's sake you can kind of linger around and you gain ultimate knowledge

Like he knows who killed him he knows what happened and everything If he sees it like oh the guy that killed me is Tyler Robertson and they got him they arrested him and he's on trial and then he watches everybody else be like, wait a minute, I don't think it's this guy. Like, I don't know, maybe as a ghost that would be infuriating. Okay, yeah, ghost theory, ghost theory explored. Yeah, so. Checkmark. Ghost theory explored.

Well, you know, to your question, there is one other thing I kind of wanted to point to, which was maybe you can take this Haley. It's just about how Twigs was reported on. Oh, yeah, this is like an ongoing odd situation, in my opinion, just because it's like the conspiracy angle that the turning point people are trying to keep their audience engaged with the case on and like have the narrative that Robinson did it is that they're really leaning into like, this is because of transgender radicalism, you know? And the whole case with Robinson, like, he's fucked in several different ways, but also partially because, he allegedly confessed allegedly in multiple different ways to their roommate who is trans and like in their interview with like the Utah County Attorney talked about this a little bit and like said they did use the name Luna with only people close in their life who were like friends with them and in that

interview did say they use at least in that interview she her pronouns but like trying to talk to their rep has been impossible to get kind of more information. Right. But the media is specifically using their dead name, specifically, kind of characterizing it in a way that is just like not correct whatsoever, you know, calling them, he, him, and not getting into the details of this, which I think is interesting when the turning point folks are basically, they would like twigs to be fried similarly to Robinson because they in some ways

hate twigs, even though they are a central part of this case and a pretty big reason why Robinson will probably, you know, it's not looking so good. I thought you were going to say, like, go to the chair. And I was like, but we're not really like, we pretend not to be like that anymore. So like the conspiracies that like turning points going with is that they're trying to make it like, this is transferey radicalism. And like even their audience kind of, it doesn't care because so many people are like Israel did it. But that is kind of how like Pesobiac and people are trying to keep their audience engaged, I feel like, by like just anti-trans hate. Yeah, I've definitely seen like an uptick. I feel like my, my mentions are just like the canary and the coal bind for this.

And I see an uptick in references to her just in like as non sequiters, which I think you can tell is kind of it's become like a focal point. Despite as far as I'm aware, there being no evidence whatsoever for involvement in any way, right? That's why they're not charging her for anything. Exactly. Yeah. We wrote a whole graph about this in the article is our outlet's policy is we try not to dead name somebody as best as we can and we try not to misgender them as best as we can. So since we're unable to get into contact, we were using the last name twigs and they, them pronouns only just for the time being. And in the interview they were kind of adamant, like, I only use this with friends. So I don't know. Yeah, it was privacy.

Right. Specifically, they got immunity for whatever they said in their interview with law enforcement. That means anything that could implicate them as far as, like, helping cover up evidence, stuff like that. They just have immunity for as far as, like, the testimony they already gave on video goes, right? That doesn't mean that they're out of the woods completely. there may be some prosecutor decides to say, hey, you know, Twigs helped Robinson cover up some evidence. Twigs destroyed some kind of communications, things like that. But I personally don't think that's very likely since they've been cooperating.

Yeah, you know, it all happened so quick. Robinson turned himself in within like 48 hours, basically. And the confession to Twigs allegedly, which is a letter under Robinson's, keyboard and also a pre-scheduled text message and a message in their shared Discord chat with friends. And some of them were pre-scheduled. So Twigs didn't learn about this till late the first night of September 10th, the day he was shot. And then the next day when Robinson was back at the apartment and they confronted them, Robinson said that he was going to turn himself in and that's how it all happened. So it's like, you know, and then they were completely, as far as evidence in court

showed, were cooperative. They said they took a photo of the letter, and that's the last time that they ever physically saw that letter before it got taken into evidence, and they willingly turned over their phone to the police. So couldn't have been more cooperative, but they are the villain and have been, like, stocked to the point where they had to relocate, but then they got discovered at their new place. So it's like an ongoing thing. And the media does refuse to cover this like at all. They're just like completely not even like want to explain any of this. Yeah. Has the choice just basically been like if we don't talk about it'll it'll go away. Like I'm I'm surprised. I'm surprised there's been I mean, I guess I'm not surprised that the media is not protecting a trans person

in any way. I think it goes a little bit deeper than that. And this is in a way, this is my speculation, but something that I tried to say in kind of an op-ed at the end of our long article about this was, I think a lot of people don't want to talk about Robinson's alleged motive. I think a lot of people don't want to talk about that because for years, if you think about a lot of right-wing grievance and how it manufactures stochastic terror, it is the terror of people who are aggrieved, but they have some kind of advantage over other people in society, right? This is a little bit more complicated than just that. You know, this isn't the order who were a bunch of white guys who robbed banks and murdered a Jewish radio host because they thought the Jewish

controlled the world back in the 70s or 80s. You know, if it turns out that the confession is real, and if his motive is what the state claims it is, then Robinson was somebody who felt profoundly isolated in the place that he was living. He was somebody who felt that this was his only recourse. And that lines up more with people who do acts of terrorism because they're acts of desperation, real desperation because they don't see any other way

for their grievances to be aired. Now obviously, if Robinson's motive turns out to be what the state claims it is, there's, as Liv you've said before on this podcast, there's a very horrible and important unanswered question about, you know, the violence towards twigs here. You know, Robinson should have to answer for putting twigs in the position Robinson put twigs in. Is the state alleging the motive relates to the roommate in any way? Well, what we know about Robinson's motive is essentially the quote, I'm paraphrasing a little bit. The quote is, I've had enough of his hate, some hate can't be negotiated out. And what we know about Robinson is Robinson was in a romantic relationship with somebody who's trans. And also the court did allow for the prosecutors to submit evidence that Kirk was a Christian and targeted

for his beliefs in a way, which I thought was really kind of weird, because the judge was actually, like, I feel like trying their best to kind of give Robinson, he's not getting a fair trial in, like, the legal sense. Like, they film him in his shackles constantly, even though that's against the court order. The prosecutor has gone and blabbed a TMZ against the gag order. That letter wasn't supposed to be public.

The camera caught it, and that's why they got reprimanded. cameras were banned on the final day because of that. So it's like the judge is trying to kind of like do their best, I feel like, to pretend like they're doing a fair trial for Robinson, even though he's, I don't know. Do you feel he's being railroaded or? Well, you know, it's like U.S. Senator Mike Lee was there and he was basically talking about how he wants to see Robinson executed like in public. And, you know, Pesobiac and former Tucson police officers.

officer turned Turning Point USA fluencer. Brandon Tatum was saying the same thing. Like, this should have been done within 30 minutes. He should be executed. After the hearing, Erica's lawyers filed a motion to try to get this thing sped up. And they said basically, like, it's been long enough, kind of like make a decision already. So it's like, he's not, he was never going to get a fair trial. It's a very public case.

And the biggest lying fuckers in the country are involved. But I did think it was interesting that the stuff about Kirk's kind of beliefs got submitted in the court. It seems like there's like two competing narratives on the right. It's like how can we be anti-Semitic about this and how can we be transphobic about this? Right. Yes, exactly. Can we roll both?

Can we get double sixes? Well, my thesis is that a lot of the conspiracy theories and a lot of the anti-Semitism is a veil because they don't know how to deal with what may be. very well be the reality of it, which is, you know, there's been an incredibly violent oppression against trans people in this country that's escalated so intensely over the last 10 years or so. And I'm not surprised that somebody whose life was deeply affected by a trans person, if this turns out to be the motive, is that this happened. Yeah, it's not supporting it.

It's just like, hello, we're just saying the facts of the case, kind of. and like the situation that they were living in. Because they don't seem like to, they weren't part of any org. They never voted either way. This wasn't someone that was like super hyper in the politics, but they did have a life that they lived that was real. Even if the decision was incredibly stupid, given what he wanted to produce allegedly, you know.

Yeah, no, it makes sense. And it arguably is going to hurt trans people in the long run even more because the Trump administration has weaponized this so much to, like, issue anti-trans rhetoric in general. Yeah. But that's basically what acts like this often are. These are often violent acts like this are often acts of personal despair. They're done by people who are in some ways ungrounded from reality personally in the psychological sense. And they feel overwhelmed by some awful political.

reality and they feel I can't do anything but take matters into my own hands in this way and hope that my pain is seen by a bunch of other people. And that's been the personal motive for a lot of attackers on the far right. And this was a guy who grew up in a very conservative LDS family. This was a guy whose dad took him out shooting. And so those were the tools that his imagination allowed him to have. should the state's case be proven in court, I should say. Yeah, how much did you notice that, I guess, the tension between the transphobia and anti-Semitism among the people outside the courtroom? Or how explicit were those prejudices, I guess, talking to the people who were, like,

lining up to try to get into the court? They didn't want to mention the word trans in my experience. Interesting. They referred to Twigs as Robinson's boyfriend. they wouldn't acknowledge that Twigs was trans. They wouldn't even acknowledge that. You know, they basically did the same facile. Oh, well, Charlie Kirk was killed because he was conservative

and he spoke the truth about all of these things and blah, blah, blah. But they wouldn't get very specific about anything. And that's why I feel very strongly that they don't want to talk about the mortive. They really don't. I did hear Israel thrown out. Right. That makes sense, yeah. Yeah.

So maybe a lot of the anti-trans stuff is particularly like a media position that like at least has been internalized by the people on the ground a little bit differently than the messaging has been put out. Well, I think that a lot of the anti-trans rhetoric, which I'm sure everyone who's speaking here today knows this, a lot of the anti-trans rhetoric is people like Charlie Kirk were trying to spin every mass shooting in the country on a trans person, right? They're trying to say that, oh, it's all of these hormones and things make you crazy and you go on these violent rampages and, you know, all of that kind of nonsense. Yeah. And I think what they're scared of really gets to the core of conservative ideology, which is, one, your children are your property until they become adults. And so the idea that your kid could decide, hey, I got assigned the wrong gender. I've just realized this and I need to make some decisions for myself about my own body. That infuriates them on that level.

There's this idea that, you know, other people besides them have a monopoly on violence and that people who, you know, could be their family members and know how to use guns and know how to do all of these things could just say, well, I'm trans and I'm a leftist now. Fuck all of you. And also I have a gun. It's so funny that like for decades and decades, you know, the majority of what you would consider like mass shooters, you know, were, you know, majority, you know, majority had extreme right wing, you know, politics. And then like one trans person comes along and shoots a couple people. Maybe they aren't, they weren't actually even, I can't even remember what case it was that sort of set off this whole thing.

And they literally became the like, whoajack pointing me being like, oh, shoot, don't you see all. to me this feels like such playground politics. And the fact that this is, you know, has even become a national conversation because of people like Charlie Kirk is so fucked. Well, think about it this way. You know, when you're otherizing immigrants or whether you're otherizing black people, if you feel kind of an internal sense of security of, okay, we're all white, we're all Christian, we're all this, that, we can feel secure that we have a class and race, solidarity, and interest with ourselves and each other. And none of us are going to turn on each other like that.

All we have to do is fear this other that's a different skin color. But I think they're so deeply affected and so deeply troubled by the idea that people can be gay or trans because they realize that could be any of them. And all anyone has to do is turn inward and say, well, I need to examine these deeply held personal things about myself, which is this idea of, what my gender is. I did it myself. Like, I thought I was a guy for the longest time. I'm non-binary. Like, you know, anybody can realize that about themselves. At any time. At any time. At any time of their lives. I've known people who've transitioned in their 30s and 40s.

I've known people who, you know, didn't transition until they've been married for like 20 or 30 years. Yeah. Later in their lives. One of my best buddies, his dad is like a tough Italian guy. And he came, he came out in like his like mid-fifference. you know. Hell yeah. And still is a tough Italian, you know, a tough Italian guy, but gay. Also, when Kirk was shot, this is what he was getting questioned about. Hunter Kozak, who we interviewed, he is a liberal content creator. And he had gone viral because Charlie was in the middle of this kind of like, all trans

people are responsible for the mass shootings kind of narrative. And Hunter did a video kind of like refuting it with data. because he's a math major and is totally analytical like that. And it went viral and then Charlie was coming to his campus and he wanted to kind of like take that video question into the real world and was the person asking him the question about mass shootings and like how many are trans and then the shot happened and they had their conversation interrupted about a minute in. Yeah, counting or not counting gang violence.

famous last words. Beat drop. Yeah, yeah. Just today, yeah, you published a really fascinating interview with Hunter Kozak. It was like you mentioned, the man who asked Charlie Kirk the last question before he was shot. I thought this was really a very, interesting and intimate peak into the kinds of harassment that people suffer when they're targeted by conspiracy theorists. Like this guy was thought he was going there to like engage in like, you know, a discourse with. Charlie Kirk and challenging him on some points. But, you know, within hours, you know, he was

subjected to some, you know, really nasty trolling online. So like what exactly happened to him, like in the hours and days after the shooting? I think one of the lines that really struck to me was we asked him how soon did the harassment start. And he was checking on his newborn baby who was in like the whatever the ward is called for, you know, newborns who need to be in care for for a little while after they're born. And he looked at his phone really briefly, he told us, and he said, oh, there was already messages there. And he went to this hospital right after the shooting. I thought that was one of the most disturbing things I've ever heard someone say. But, you know, somebody came up to his door pretending to be a reporter and they didn't know what the hell they were

doing. They didn't know what the hell to do once they'd finally, you know, knocked on his door and opened it. He just got all of the kinds of harassment that you'd expect, you know, doxing, harassment. people following him. There was somebody associated with the turning point chapter on the UVU campus even who was harassing him. He didn't go into much detail about it. I don't think he wanted us to name the person, but that's what he told us. But yeah, people looked at him funny.

And, you know, imagine seeing somebody get shot in front of you and then having to deal not only with the trauma of that, but the trauma of people saying you were. involved. I mean, that's got, that's a very complicated psychological problem to untangle. You know, I think more than anything, the way this affected this poor man was he didn't get to grieve properly. He was like a new dad. And he had two children under one the day that Kirk was shot. And his firstborn turned one like two days later. And he said he totally forgot about it. And then his newborn was in the intensive care unit. And he said he was just basically describing the mental breakdown that he was going through during this week, this first week. And then like school starts back up because he goes immediately to school because he just said he needed like the human interaction as he's like going through this trauma.

And like he said he had some really great teachers. But then a lot of teachers were just like they didn't even say anything. They didn't act like there was just like a school shooting on campus. And we're just like, we're just going to go right back in class. And he kind of had to push his way to get like mental. mental health care from the school, which is just like, you would think in this day and age with so many fucking school shootings, we would maybe have a little bit of better handle us by now, but I guess not.

Yeah, he told us that he went into his, he's a math major, right? So he went into his non-Euclidean geometry class that he skipped the previous week to go ask this question of Charlie Kirk. And the professor just says, oh, all right, well, let's move on to the lesson, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he just kind of goes, well, what the fuck, man? Like, do I get anything for this? Do I get any kind of recognition for this?

And he said, two months later, he asked this professor for an accommodation. And the professor says, oh, yeah, well, considering what you went through. And he just had this moment where he goes, oh, well, so you did know that that was me who was there talking to him when he got shot. You fucking asshole. And, I mean, I think the thing that we as human beings, again, I'm going to therapy, so I have to fucking talk about my therapy. all the time. Man, I get my mail there. Yeah. Yeah, no, but the thing that my therapist told me, we have this deep need as human beings to have our experiences reflected back to us by other people. And when you kind of see that as a filter for how people grieve, how people do and don't handle these kinds of situations, it makes sense, right? Yeah, he literally said like some of the, like, he's just, formed so many friendships during this period because it was like people who actually like went to the effort to take that step to reach out, which he was like, he realized in this trauma that a lot of

people are kind of scared to reach out to somebody who's experienced something because they don't know how to process it. And they don't want to think about it. Yeah, they don't want to think about it. They don't want to get dirty. Yeah. And he did say that like one of the just moments that made him like basically just like such a human interaction that he had was that it was a guy that didn't know he was the person who asked the question and when he told him, he said like the empathy that the guy felt for him was just, it impacted him so much because he needed to know that like other people understood that it was like a fucked up situation. He's not just a character, you know, he's a person. I mean, this is something else. I think you addressed to that interview, the strange distancing

effect that happens when people create content about conspiracy theories and involve real people. Like, you shouldn't be shocked if you accuse someone of being complicit in the murder that they're going to suffer some sort of harassment online. That's just a serious accusation. But these people, they treat everything online as if it's just a fiction, just playing dolls, you know? Right, they do. And I think a lot of it is a serious mental health thing. Like, a lot of these people aren't very grounded in reality, these conspiracy theorists and conspiracy theory consumers. They feel like it's a quick way to get a psychological need met to have other people say,

hey, this is how the world really is. You know, here's how the world works. I've got the secrets. I can tell you what's really going on. And so you don't feel as not in control. You don't feel as uncertain about everything, right? And when you have that kind of fix, it's like, you know, talking to a chatbot. You know, it's not a real human being.

It can't feel what you feel. And so what you get is something that flattens everything to just the two senses of your eyes and your ears. And if you step out into the real world without really being grounded, that's kind of all you have. It's just this perverted sense of reality. Speaking of innocent people who are targeted with conspiracy theories, there's another incident involving a conspiracy theory that, I guess, Candice Owens calls the Maroon shirt boys. Can you tell us what this is about? So I watched too much Candace Owens, unfortunately.

And she did have a conspiracy about, because Robinson changed his shirt and his shirt was like maroon that he changed into. And so basically everybody that is wearing, every piece of the set in the moment that Kirk died has been baked into oblivion. So everybody wearing a red shirt that day has been accused in some way of being in on the plot. And there is even a conspiracy that they were all in on it. So, yeah, that's kind of the basis of it. I see you like to help Tyler Robinson get away, I guess, or obscure who the real killer was, something like this. I see.

Yeah. I see. So, like, people all dawding V for vendetta masks or something to, like, make themselves indistinguishable and anonymous, except it's maroon shirts. Yeah. It's a really crazy disguise, a maroon shirt. It's really impossible to tell. Well, you can go to stealth.

If you approach a group of people with the same, you know, color shirt, you go stealth. Yeah. Yeah, it's like faction armor and fallout or something. You mentioned you also discussed someone who got caught up in this bizarre conspiracy theory. There was a man named Adam Bartholomew whose teenage son was branded one of these suspicious maroon shirt boys. So what happened there? So Adam Bartholomew is this guy who's, you know, I think he works at a car dealership or something in his day job. But he works with and for some, I think, Utah-based right-wing media outlet.

He goes to different kinds of protests, you know, more left-wing ones like the chop slash chas back in Seattle in 2020. He told me he was there. He goes to like a bunch of no-kings protests, and he just livestreams them. And he talks a lot to the protesters there. I didn't really view much of his streams personally, but my sense is he's a little bit more respectful than the usual gotcha guys that you know go and do this kind of idiocy right but he was there that day he's filmed about an hour and nine minutes i think he said of the direct aftermath of kirk's murder

and just you know everybody's scrambling around the uv u campus after that and um his son was there with him his son was wearing a maroon shirt just happened to be wearing a long sleeve maroon shirt because his dad said hey we don't want you to get sunburned and that's just what happened to be in his closet. So Candice Owens put him on her show three times, put his face on her show three times, and he got the kind of harassment that you'd predict. What Bartholomew told me was, you know, the whole family got doxxed and harassed, and even people at his son's high school were accusing this poor kid of killing Kirk. Bartholomew told me that recently, maybe about a month and a half before we talked to him.

There was this video his son showed him on Facebook that was like, you know, kind of a game of telephone. This one guy recorded a thing, made content of it. But the original video was from some creator on Twitter who went and looked at his son's high school's website, found that this poor kid had gotten some kind of accolade for theater and then said, aha, this guy's a crisis actor. Here's the proof. So it's ongoing to this day. And I mean, this is a guy who was and still is kind of an Alex Jones fan and an Alex Jones defender, which I thought was really disturbing and fascinating. You know, this was a guy who told me, well, yeah, I used to be a big Alex Jones fan. And I still think that the billion dollar judgment for Sandy Hook is too much.

But I can kind of sympathize now with how all these Sandy Hook families feel. It's like these people. They don't think like, yeah, the targets of these conspiracy theories are like real people. There's just bizarre empathy gap where it's like, oh, well, you know, if you're suspicious, then like, you know, that I can treat you however I like online. They can't wrap their heads around how, you know, how damaging and painful that is until they're the targets of it. Yeah. And I mean, I think that's a lot of people. I think that's, you know, it's an ugly thing to say and it's an ugly thing to think.

But, you know, how many of us are really thinking every day about genocide and the. Congo, right? We don't confront problems and we don't think about problems until they affect us personally most of the time. And if we did go out of our way to confront problems that don't affect us, it could drive us mad. Like, I regularly talk to anti-fascist researchers and they've told me, well, you know, I have all these friends who are like saying me, oh, did you see this video from Gaza? Did you see that video from Gaza? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they'll go, dude, don't show me this stuff.

I don't have time for this. I know it's horrible. I know it's happening. But if I keep looking at it, I'm going to go crazy because we've got to pick our battles. One human mind just doesn't have enough capacity for all of that, right? Now, I'm also curious what you think about, I guess, the legacy of Charlie Kirk. Because Harry spoke about what I think he really was. I think he was really an empty vet.

vessel, who's willingly empty vessel, who funneled him millions and millions of dollars through himself to build a big organization and push the agenda of whatever his donor said to. But, you know, there's an interesting online battle to try and, you know, shape what to make of his shortened life. Like the admirers that you spoke to outside the hearing described Kirk as kind, non-insulting, and like devoted to open debate. And this is sort of the image that they're trying to shape for his legacy. Like, I mean, I can't imagine he was, you know better than most how incredibly vicious this guy was. I mean, like, how, I mean, how sustainable do you think this sort of this image shaping is going to be for Kirk's legacy? So let me tell you just, why do these people who were Kirk's admirers talk about them in these kind of vague terms, right?

Yeah. Why do they always just say, oh, he was such a great debater. Oh, he was such a impassioned orator and he was just a defender of Christianity. and he didn't insult people, he didn't do this, which is all bullshit, right? You know, he was a vile, vicious bigot. But what do these people have now that he's dead? All they really have is the lies that Kirk used to sell himself to old right-wingers with money, because at the end of the day, that's the only thing that you can use in polite society

to describe this man are the lies he told about himself while he was alive. When we wrote our article in the aftermath of Kirk's shooting, we had a long discussion about what the title should be. And what we settled on was violent man dies violent death, more violence follows, which was the most accurate thing, in my opinion,

that we could have settled on. I mean, at the end of the day, people who admire Charlie Kirk know damn well what his bigotry was, and they agree with it. And the kind of bigotry that he fomented during his life has no place in a decent society. And these people know that

in their core. They know that there are millions of people in the United States who, if they said what they really think to them, they'd be run the fuck out of town. And rightly so. So, you know, what kind of legacy can you leave when that's your, you know, the reality of your politics? But you want to present yourself as this, you know, kind of person who deserves to be part of civil society and this person who deserves all of this respect and accolides and to be this, you know, U.S. historical figure. All you have is the lies. So, you know, what we got right after Charlie Kirk's death was really indicative of where things were going to go. Immediately after he died, his supporters went on this incredibly vicious witch hunt. They over-extended their reach. They tried

to get and successfully got a lot of people fired just for saying something mean about the guy just for using their free speech. And it immediately backfired on them. And Kirk became a laughingstock. I mean, have any of you heard the song that goes, um, make her squirt like Charlie Kirk? No. Yeah, no, this guy was a fucking joke while he was alive, you know? What was it that Charlie Kerr actually did with his life, you know? Like there's this mythology that he would go around and debating people. But what he was doing was he was putting on these political stunts where he would have all of these gotches that would make his shareholders and his donors happy, where he would say,

oh, here's the, you know, here's the snotty, blued-haired college lib that I'm going to humiliate publicly in front of you with my logic, facts, and reason, and all of that shit. You know, it was, it was completely asinine. And what he was doing behind the scenes

was building a conservative youth organization, which was basically just, let's put a bunch of kids in front of a camera, and then get a bunch of old people to say, Oh, all these youngsters love our ideas and our bigoted bullshit. You know, let's give this young whippersnapper, Charlie Kirk, a bunch of our fucking money. And they did. And the entire point of that was just, you know, grifting money off of this dying racist ideology.

But you can't do that without consequences. So what Kirk's real legacy was, was building Turning Point, which is essentially a front for a kind of older conservative, you know, media and propaganda outlet mill, but with a lot of young people in it. And a lot of the young people who would even put up with being part of Turning Point are Nazis who are smart enough to know that I get a lot of money and a lot of networking done out of this. So every single year, I think, that Turning Point has at America Fest, there was a parallel conference by a bunch of white nationalists at another hotel a few blocks away. They'd have to kick people out constantly over racist remarks, over just Nazi behavior,

and the entire thing was just let's mine, you know, let's scrape all this money barnacles off of the dying old conservative Wales corpse, and all the remorse around it were just these little Groyper Nazi shitheads who were just feeding off of it. And of course, when, you know, the turning point whale finally, you know, meets its untimely end, like, what's taking his place is fucking Nick Fuentes? Because of course it was always going to be Nick Fuentes. Charlie Kirk spent his entire adult life trying to balance the most extreme people on the right and corral them into turning points, stupid talking points, and keep them from going any further. And he'd have to make constant concessions, constantly appeal to them, so that they would turn up and be these young, bright people in front. front of the camera so that he could make money. That's his legacy.

And you know, I'm from Arizona where Turning Point is headquartered and we still have to deal with their horseshit because like a flood of money did come in after he died, especially like merch sales. And, you know, a lot of politicians like in Texas did like these shows of like, we're giving them a million dollars. And a lot of that blows back into Arizona politics. They really have absorbed the Arizona Republican Party. and it's just filled with the most worst vicious bigots imaginable.

The turning point action COO during the days of the preliminary hearing was going on this racist tirade against a fellow Republican in the Arizona legislature because he's Asian. He's from Vietnam. And he literally, when the media reached out to him about it about like how fucking racist he was being, he was like, well, I'm going through trauma because it's Charlie's weak because of of the trial. Like, he's like, I'm being racist because I'm dealing with trauma right now, essentially. And it's like that's what I view the legacy of Turning Point USA is that it's just like a

gathering of the worst bigots in your state, in your school, in your church network, little things in the community that they have absorbed. And in Arizona, I don't think it's shocking that like one of the most violent incidents from a Turning Point USA employee where one of them literally gay bashed a queer professor at Arizona State University and cracked his fucking head open happened here because Charlie was going on a tirade about how, because they are in the drag community, they are a pedophile. And it's like, after that attack happened and that Turning Point employee admitted guilt, Charlie was still doubling down on his social media and on their professor watch list that that professor's a pedophile,

further putting their fucking life, you know, at risk in my opinion. And that's so common here because all the turning point people, they flood to Arizona to make their fucking careers off of their little influencer network. And they want to work at the big headquarters they have in Phoenix that's been expanding every year since the 12 years they've been around. And they have that big America Fest here at our convention center where every fucking asshole in right wing media comes here and films content. And you can always tell when it's happening because like when they're going through the airports, they're complaining about the fucking brown people that they see. Some of them go down to the border and go harass who they can down there, the humanitarian groups. So that's

kind of what I view Charlie Kirk's legacy. I spit on his legacy. There's a reason that Erica will not share where his grave is because she knows that it would become the biggest fucking urinal in this country. So that's my opinion of them. Yes, sir. Well, the Big top for this particular circus isn't coming down any time soon. The pretrial hearings for Robinson's case are set to resume on September the first and of course left coast right watch will be there. Where can people go to assist and support your coverage? Yeah. So the hearings, closing arguments are going to be happening starting September 1st. We're going to be there come hell or high water. I'll walk across the desert singing the fallout New Vegas. theme like soundtrack or whatever if I have to to get there but we are launching a fundraiser nudge nudge wink wink if anybody wants to help us get out there I'm sure there'll be a link to that in the episode description and all that yeah so what we're expecting to happen is the closing

arguments and we may expect to hear Tyler Robinson enter his plea I'm not sure personally if that will happen or not this round but we'll see keep it tuned to else CRW for future updates. All right. And stay right here with LCRW. The watch. Oh, that's so good we're using that. That's so fucking good.

Wait, no, I'll do it better for you later. Thank you. Abner Hayley, thank you so much for, yeah, again, braving the, you know, the heat and the chaos and the ugliness that's going on outside. Because, yeah, like I said, I think this kind of on the ground coverage is something you just don't get the law of mainstream sources. and it's something that's really, really valuable to have like a real full perspective of what this, what this trial is doing and they sort of like how these bad faith actors are trying to exploit it. Well, thank you for letting us reflect our experience back onto other human beings. Yeah, thanks for letting me rage.

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Hey, good, how are you? Not too bad. Abner Howie. left coast right watch. Okay. I just had a quick question. Oh, Antifa, cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So a lot of people online, I've been seeing or criticizing y'all for, like, using Charlie Kurt's account to broadcast a trial. How do you feel about that? Well, I mean, you guys murdered him, so you might as well have to watch it on his feet. Yeah, well, I've seen some statements from Turning Point that said, we're not going to use his account for other things. Well, I can imagine why Antifa would be upset because we're using his account to expose your crimes. Well, no, what I mean is like, it feels a little bit...

Bella Chow, which was written on the bullets, is the anthem of Antifa. Well, it's an old one, sure, yeah. I mean... And? No, what I'm saying is that it feels a little bit bullish to use a dead man's account to stream his own. So you guys kill somebody and then you criticize people for using his account, but you don't know if that guy was Antifa. But you're not upset. So he used Antifa anthem.

He said, hey, fascist catch, but which are your slogans, which are, which is your, which is your anthem. And yet, but, but that's not foolish. But that's, that's no problem. You don't have any problem with that. You don't have any problem with people tweeting about it. No, no, no. I'm just saying that like, that feels pretty ghoulish.

So do you feel that murdering Charlie is foolish? Oh, totally. Yeah, that's horrible. Okay. So, so do you feel that what Tyler Robinson did is good? Yeah, of course. Okay. I mean, no, that was a horrible thing to do.

I agree. The guy's, like, dead. He's got two boys and kids. He's not like that. He is dead. Yeah. You know, California verbal tip, man. You know how it is.

Well, we are in court. Ain't we, though? No, but, yeah, that was my question. Thank you for your time. Yeah, thank you for your time. Thanks, anyways.