QAA Podcast - These People Are Stupid Liars Who Think You’re Stupid Too (E317)

Episode Date: March 28, 2025

It is difficult to comprehend how much these people screw up, lie, lie about their screw ups, and screw up lying. But we’re going to try anyway. Travis, Jake, and Liv break down the most recent round of malice and incompetence from the Trump administration and the deceit, deflections, and conspiracy theories being deployed in defense of this bad behavior. Firstly we cover “Signalgate,” the controversy in which a National Security Advisor accidentally added a journalist to their Signal chat about military operations. Secondly we discuss the ongoing saga of Elon Musk’s DOGE and how their efforts are clearly making the government less efficient. And thirdly we cover the Trump administration’s brutal deportation policy, which has targeted people for arbitrary reasons and for their expression of rather benign opinions. We then debunk the conspiracy theory that there is evidence of American student groups collaborating with Hamas. Subscribe for $5 a month to get all the premium episodes: https://patreon.com/qaa Editing by Corey Klotz. Theme by Nick Sena. Additional music by Pontus Berghe, Nick Sena, Jake Rockatansky. Theme Vocals by THEY/LIVE (https://instagram.com/theyylivve / https://sptfy.com/QrDm). Cover Art by Pedro Correa: (https://pedrocorrea.com) https://qaapodcast.com QAA was known as the QAnon Anonymous podcast. SOURCES The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Its War Plans https://archive.ph/JIxF8 Here Are the Attack Plans That Trump’s Advisers Shared on Signal https://archive.ph/ZKjdg#selection-609.0-614.0 'Most scared I've been': US strikes sow panic in rebel-held Yemen https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250316-most-scared-i-ve-been-us-strikes-sow-panic-in-rebel-held-yemen Tech issues hit DOGE's '5 things' email requirement for federal employees https://abcnews.go.com/US/tech-issues-hit-doges-5-things-email-requirement/story?id=120189752 Court records show how many federal workers were fired and rehired at 18 agencies https://www.cbsnews.com/news/federal-probationary-workers-mass-firing-rehired/ The Federal Workers Who Are Not Quite Fired, Not Quite Working https://archive.vn/8eGYG#selection-2081.0-2089.0 “You’re Here Because of Your Tattoos” https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/03/trump-el-salvador-venezulea-deportation-prison-cecot-bukele/ Oct. 7 victims sue Columbia student groups and protest leaders, alleging Hamas support https://forward.com/fast-forward/707269/columbia-sjp-cuad-mahmoud-khalil-lawsuit/

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Oh, Oh, Oh, If you're hearing this, well done. You found a way to connect to the internet. Welcome to the QAA podcast, episode 317. These people are stupid liars who think you're stupid, too. As always, we're your host, Jake Rakitanski.

Liv Egar. And Travis Vue. I recently took some time off in a place where cell phone coverage is spotty. You know, that's a healthy thing for. me, for my own sake, I'm a big advocate of touching grass. I think this is not just the internet meme. It actually is very refreshing and healthy for you to do occasionally to touch grass and not interact with the world through digital representations, but interact with the world through actual physical things that exist. This is true for everyone, but especially for

hosts of the QAA podcast. Yeah. Like macro dosing all the worst parts of the internet. Yeah, when as As soon as Travis came back, I had, like, I had lots of bad news to tell him about what was going on in the world, and he looked excited. He was like, you know what, I'm ready. It's your back in the game, yeah. Yeah, right. He's like, bring it on, bring it on. Yeah, I also think, like, being disconnected for a couple days also has a benefit of

refreshing my perspective. So when I started, like, catching up on national news, I was struck anew just how bumbling, malicious, and contemptuous our political and techno overlords are. Now, if you regularly consume the news, even if you read deeply and responsibly, it's easy to lose sight of just how fucked up these people are. Firstly, because you're bombarded with stories that reflect their incompetence and sadism. So normalcy bias makes you forget that, no, actually, the people that you know in your personal life are, in fact, more responsible and thoughtful than the people at the highest rungs of power. And secondly, their status gives them this kind of like reality distortion feel. People reasoned, like, well, those guys have, you know, basically all of the money and power.

So surely, they must have some sort of, like, above average competency. Obviously, like, the Trump administration didn't invent governmental incompetence, cruelty, and deceit, but the degree of it. And the artlessness of it makes me feel, I don't know, personally insulted. Yeah, Michael Jordan didn't invent basketball. Yeah. So today, for this episode, I'm going to discuss three instances in which the Trump administration behaves in a way that is cartoonishly.

stupid, evil, or both. And of course, the spin lies and conspiracy theories that are deployed in an attempt to justify or downplay how stupid and evil they are. The first thing I'm going to discuss is Signalgate. So this is the controversy in which a national security advisor accidentally added a journalist to their signal chat about military operations. And then I'm going to talk about the ongoing saga of Elon Musk's Doge. Their continued fuck-ups and their outright lies about how much government funds are supposedly being saved by their efforts. And thirdly, I'm going to talk about the Trump administration's brutal deportation policy, which is clearly targeting people for either arbitrary reasons or for their expression of rather benign political opinions.

All bad. All bad. It's so funny when I saw the screenshots from the signal text chat. It looked like they were larping, but I knew that they weren't. It was very, very strange. It was strange. The funny thing is like the journalist initially thought that he was like being had. You know, he was like someone who was tricking him because surely this is, this can't be real.

This can't be happening. But as we all must grapple with, no, this is real and this is happening. Signal Gate. So this one, I think, benefits from a little bit of background. In our early 2025, the newly inaugurated Trump administration was intent on responding forcefully to Houthi rebel attacks in Yemen, which had intensified since late 2023. The Houthis and Iran-backed group. had targeted Israel and international shipping, causing global trade disruptions. President Trump's team vowed a tougher response than the previous administration's efforts.

Now, previously, anti-Houthi efforts mostly focused on limited strikes and allowing military contractors to supply, train, and arms Saudi allies to support their operations against the Houthis. But the Trump administration prefers a more hands-on approach for this issue. By mid-March 2025, a military operation was in the works to strike Houthi target. in Yemen. Didn't he run on like no more wars? Yeah, Dove Trump.

Yeah. I mean. He's like mid-March. He's like, we'll wait two months if that. Trump's policies are interesting because sometimes he just contradicts himself. And like everyone, including people who vote for him, like expect and know him to lie. So they just like choose which ones they don't like to think about him lying for. Yeah.

Like the Neocons are like, oh, yeah, he's going to lie about the dove stuff. I mean, they were right. Everyone who wanted all the wars to be gone are like, no, he's, you know, being. nice to the neocons is just a thing he has to do you step into that voting booth you but you have to twist yourself into a pretzel beforehand that's like the prerequisite it's like you got a you go all right well this is the decision i'm making and then you you know bend your legs over your head and you know sprinkle a little sprinkle a little bit of salt and there you go this is why the like the libertarian free traders were upset at him actually implementing tariffs because i thought no but you're

weren't you just saying that you're just a guy who says shit yeah but it's clear for like all of those people, especially the ones who still support them now, like, they just wanted fascism. Like, they wanted that part of it. That was the main selling point. The fact that they don't have free trade, well, it's disappointing, but like, can we get the fascism going, please? On the morning of Thursday, March 13th, National Security Advisor, Mike Walts, convened a meeting in the White House Situation Room, then created a Signal messaging group titled Hootie PC Small Group for follow-up coordination. Now, Signal, you know, this is a commercial app. You can get on any phone and we use it a lot, you know, when sort of communicating with each other or the

journalists. And yeah, the security features are nice, the, you know, the confidence that like some tech giant isn't sucking up all the data is nice, the disappearing messages. It's a cheap and easy way to do more secure messaging. Especially for Travis, the disappearing messages for him is a huge, huge value at because some of the things he says in these chats, high level, High-level confidentiality, top-secret stuff. I mean, we're talking about our own kind of strikes. Talking about cabins in Montana. Yeah.

So, Houthi PC's small group. So that term PC I learned is a reference to the Principles Committee. That's the senior most national security officials. Waltz added over a dozen top officials to this encrypted chat, including Vice President J.D. Vance, Secretary of Fence Pete Hegseth, Secretary of State. Marco Rubio, Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, CIA Director John Ratcliffe, Treasury Secretary Scott Bassent, White House Envoy, Steve Whitkoff, and others. So inadvertently, Waltz also added Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor-in-chief of the Atlantic to the group.

It's amazing. Yeah, I don't. It's so dumb. It does just feel like people larping as the top most powerful people in the world, because they kind of, like, it is a bit of a fake until you make it, where they're like, yeah, this is a cool-ass. secret signal group chats about bombing the Houthis would be a thing that people do. And they would be what these guys would be doing if they were pretending to be incredibly powerful. Yeah, they're like reporting for duty, like here, here, present.

They do this like roll call at the beginning. I will say it was nice to see the CIA playing well with everybody else. So I know the deep state is kind of not real, is that these guys are actually making all the decisions. Yeah. They would be a heart attack gun aimed at all of these individuals. Over the next two days, March 13th and 14th, the signal group was used to discuss the impending operation. On Friday, March 14th, Waltz messaged the group that formal instructions were in officials' classified inboxes and that agencies should prepare notifications to allies.

I'm going to talk a little bit about what unfolded in this chat, because it is interesting to see, like, what these guys, how these guys operate. So, a policy debate unfolded in the chat. Vice President Vance's account expressed misgivings about the timing of the strikes. Vance noted that, quote, 3% of U.S. trade runs through the Suez Canal, 40% of European trade does. Warning of a possible spike in oil prices and questioning whether the public would understand the need for action. He even cautioned that the plan might be inconsistent with President Trump's current rhetoric on Europe, suggesting perhaps a delay of a month to better prepare the public engage economic impact. That's how you know, like Vance is an idiot, as he thinks that.

like foreign policy actually has to be beholden to public opinion it's like you can know it's never there's never been an association between public opinion and foreign policy in america in the american state you do whatever the fuck you want like don't oh it might look bad because trump is saying this about germany like no that's never been how these people operate it's we're truly in a new world yeah these guys are talking about work like it's you know like they were filing a tps report you know but it's like but it's actually just about killing people With drones, probably. Well, yes, there were, actually, we know the exact model of drone.

They discuss it in the chat. Oh, fantastic. Yeah, it is interesting. Yeah, they're talking about, like, these drone strikes, but they aren't, like, just like drone strikes for, like, military, I guess, goals. They also talk about, like, economics and public relations and, like, you know, politics and image and stuff and, like, all that folds into what they're doing. Other officials in the chat pushed back.

An account labeled Joe Kent, this is probably a counterterrorism expert by the same name, agree that there was no time-sensitive trigger, and the same options would exist in the month. But Defense Secretary Hegseth argued against waiting. Hegseth wrote that while he understood Vance's concerns, quote, Waiting a few weeks or a month does not fundamentally change the calculus. He outlined two risks of delay, one that the news of the planned strikes could leak, making the U.S. look indecisive. And two, that Israel might take its own action first, or a Gaza ceasefire could collapse,

quote, and we don't get to start this on our own terms. Sorry, we have to wait for Israel. Yeah. Just messaging that. This is like every Department of Defense guy in every single movie that I've ever seen where everybody's like, maybe we should wait. And they're like, is there any other way besides violence? And the military guy is like, no, we have to strike now.

We have to do it now. We can't wait. Which is very typical. Hegsteth was confident that those risks could be managed and stated, quote, we are prepared to execute. If I had the final go or no-go vote, I believe we should. Now, ironically, at one point,

Hegeseth boasted, quote, we are currently clean on Opsack or operational security. And he said this, while a journalist was quietly observing due to Walsh's mistake. They don't even check who's in the group chat.

It's insane. Yeah, exactly. You'll just double check. Just be curious that, like, you know, who else is like getting these messages? Jesus, these fucking dipshits. Even without the leak, it's like who is in here.

Yeah. It's like when you got it to a group. group chat with your friends? You're like, who is, which one of my friends is here? Who am I talking to? Yeah, because you never know. You might be talking shit on somebody. I, look, I'm not a perfect human being. There's been times where I've had to go back and double check to see if I'm in the right group chat. It did, is somebody in the chat who I'm talking about like this morning, like this morning when we were trying to figure out this episode. And I responded to the group chat with live in it. Hold on.

Just to demonstrate, why not? You say, Liv is able to make the 1 p.m. recording, but not the 10 a.m. So we'll have her on premium, but you and I will rock this one solo. Yeah, not realizing that Liv was on that chat, and I was talking about her in the third person. Yeah. But, like, thank God we all get along, and I like Liv quite a bit.

So we don't have a situation where I'm like, this fucking bitch, she's... Like, I know these guys fucking hate each other. Like, what happens when J.D. Vance is like, do you guys see, like, Hegseth shoot his pants yesterday because he was drinking so much? Like, did you, did you smell that? Oh, I want more. I hope this, I hope this is the start of a beautiful trend. You know, we're always searching for transparency in our government. And exposing, you know, top defense and military signal chats, I think is a good start. They're certainly making it easy. Late on Saturday, March 15th, at 1144 a.m., Defense Secretary Hegeseth sent a team update message to the Signal Group. The message contained precise operational details of the imminent strikes.

Hegsseth's text written in all caps and bullet points laid out the strike timeline in targets. It noted that the weather was favorable and gave a go-ahead from U.S. Central Command. Crucially, it listed scheduled events. For example, it said 12-15 Eastern Time F-18. launch first strike package, followed by times for additional drone launches and strike windows. One line read 1345, the time, trigger-based F-18 first strike window starts, target terrace at his known location, so he should be on time. Also, drone strikes launch MQ-9s. MQ-9s is a model of drone. This was indicating that a high-value target was expected to be present at that moment.

So this guy's like, oh, fuck, okay, I can't be there. he's on like cnnn.com being like oh shit like they really did plan for my demise like i guess i gotta like i'm just gonna like hang out at the homie's place for a little bit longer it sounds like they got the person who they were they were targeting oh so he's dead he's dead yeah dead i guess maybe the atlantic did the guy from the atlantic like wait for this not to well he wait for a while because apparently he did again he didn't really he reportedly wasn't even sure if he was really or if he was being pranked. So he didn't wait until like, wait, the drone strikes that were being discussed in this chat actually happened in real life. Oh, right. And then it's like, oh, it must have been real. I see.

The schedule continued through the afternoon indicating the launch of a second wave of F-18s and even the timing of a Tomahawk cruise missile launches from the sea. I just want to be clear. So Heg-Seth basically texted very detailed military operations plans, like the exact takeoff times, target windows, weapons to be used, a commercially available messaging app to a group that inadvertently included a member of the press. Incredible. He was like, it's sent to end encryption.

It's the security that we need. Yeah, it's disappearing, disappearing in one week instead of disappearing in one hour, like the people they killed. It's kind of crazy to me how many tools of destruction that they need to take out, you know, these targets. It's like, okay, you got like sea tomahawk missiles. launch, you've got these MQ9 drones, and you've got F-18 Hornets, like, how many do you need? Like, this is kind of overkill. There is a hubris with relation to the Houthis especially, where you saw this in, like, 2023, all those like insufferable, like liberals cheering on American imperialism, where they

were like, the Houthis are but to find out why we don't have free health care. That's like any update on that? Like, I think they've been dealing with a campaign similar to this for at least a decade. These text messages, like, they certainly dispel the notion. that these people wield the awesomely violent capabilities of the U.S. military with any meaningful degree of seriousness or gravity. Other participants in the chat responded to this 1144 a.m. update. Vice President Vance replied, quote, I will say a prayer for victory.

Oh, oh, fucking believable. Oh, come on, I will say a prayer for victory. It's like, yeah, God better step in and guide these F-18 Hornets, drones. hand tomahawk missiles to the right fucking place. Jesus Christ, if you also need God on top of that, like, come on. What are we doing? I was thinking, like, Vance Trump is one of the first, like, atheist, atheist tickets in a long time. Wow, that's crazy. None of those, they both do not believe in God. There's no fucking way. Unless you also consider Godless Obama. Well, yeah, it's probably deliberate because, yeah,

The last time they had Pence, who was like an ultra-religious guy, and he, like, when push came to shove, he didn't deliberately overthrow the U.S. government at the last minute. They're very mad at him for that. Yeah, if Pence didn't say prayers before the attacks, the missiles would, you know, kind of fly off course. Jets would crad. I mean, you know, all sorts of things would fall apart if he wasn't praying. J.D. Vance, God's not listening. So in response to this call for prayer, two others added prayer hands emoji. God damn. Amazing.

Now, true to Hegeseth timetable, a U.S. aircraft began striking Houthi targets in Yemen that afternoon. So according to Hegss' message, the first bombs were expected at around 145 p.m. Eastern time, and by 155 Eastern, reports of explosions in the Yemeni capital, Sana, surfaced on social media. Back in the signal chat, Waltz posted at 148 p.m. with real-time battlefield updates. He said, quote, building collapse had multiple positive ID, Pete Corrilla, and the I see Amazing Job. He wrote this referring to Secretary of Defense Hegsef, General Michael Corrilla, that is the sentcom commander, and the intelligence community. This suggested that a target building was destroyed with confirmed identities on site, likely indicating a successful hit on the intended Houthi leader. Vance momentarily appeared confused by Wals' update, texting, what?

Before Waltz clarified that the, quote, top missile guy from the Houthi's, had been spotted entering a building that was now rubble. Vance then replied, excellent. Can you put that in baby terms, please? Yes, right. It's like the bad guy who we hit with the big missile. The building, it went explode. Building of his girlfriend, he had girlfriends, her building collapsed, her life, not sure.

Yeah. Then, of course, I have a screenshot of text here. Michael Waltz responded with a fist emoji, American flag emoji, and fire. emoji. There are so many things I would like to say. I don't want to give Corey too much work bleeping, but the callousness, it's like, you know, like we all kind of know in the back of our heads, like how horrible these people must be, especially in the wake of, you know, the ease in which they decide to take another human being's life. But seeing it play out with the emojis, it feels like there's like a pit in my stomach

that's like just not gonna go away it's really it's quite grim it is really banal they're just fucking lame it's so cliche like that's like your patriotic uncle would send a message like that when you found out about this it's just they suck this is the kind of message

these are the kind of emojis I use when I don't give a fuck but I don't feel like responding and I know and I know that culturally it's okay to go you strong fire you know what I mean like it's it's the lack of care and the laziness to just do like here's this here's all right here's the flag here's a fist here's a fire emoji the fire is for the actual fire that they burned alive in yeah i mean it's yeah like fist flag and fire is like emojis you would put under like a really good instagram photo of a friend on vacation or something yeah watch the super bowl halftime show you're like this was epic yeah like if a friend if a friend if a friend if a friend if a friend

If I'm texting with a friend and they're like, yeah, I was up at like 7 a.m., like, grinding, was at the gym, then I went to do, then I went to work, like just having a really productive day. It's that, yeah, it's fist emoji. It's fire emoji. I mean, but I guess these guys are going to work and having a really productive day according to them. So I don't know.

Maybe it all tracks. After this whole story broke, a Democratic representative from Florida, Maxwell Frost, claimed that this exchange is proof of a blatant war crime. Yeah, I mean, we're back in that. It was interesting how for a while people, People use, like, war crime to just mean kind of, like, girl boss in government a little, like, Pete Buttigieg was a war criminal. But it's like, no, yeah, no, like, we're back to that. They're doing it again.

I mean, I guess they never stopped, but this is, it's even more blatant now. Amid the cheers, Heggseth himself posted another update, noting that more strikes would continue for hours into the night, promising a full report the next day. What was absent from the conversation was any curiosity of the effect that the attacks had on civilian innocence. According to the Yemeni Health Ministry, 53 people had been killed, including five children and two women, and 98 people had been wounded, though these figures have not been independently verified. I would not be surprised. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to. Oh, I thought this was like a going to be like a surgical strike in like two or three people maybe.

No. Oh, no, no. Like those were talking about like, you know, massive, you know, ordinances. You know, the mission in like modern warfare too, the ASEO. It's run the biggest missile. You know, you can revolve between them. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes the emojis feel a lot worse.

It's real grim. They're real evil people, and it's in such a banal, boring way. They just, like, suck. Yeah, yeah, that's depressing. The news agency, AFP, a reported testimony of one survivor of the attacks, a father of two, named Ahmed. He said this. The house shook. The window shattered.

and my family and I were terrified. I've been living in Sana for 10 years, hearing shelling throughout the war. By God, I've never experienced anything like this before. Another resident of the regent named Malik, 43, who has three children, said this. This is the most scared I've ever been since the beginning of the war. Yesterday's shelling was absolutely terrifying. Six strikes in a row.

My children were screaming and crying in my arms. It's the first time I've ever said the Shahada. So the Shahada is the testimony of faith spoken by, faithful Muslims who expect to die. Houthi leader Abdulmalik al-Huthi said his militants would target U.S. ships in the Red Sea as long as the U.S. continued its attacks on Yemen. According to Atlantic editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg, he realized that the content of this group chat he was observing was real because he saw news of the foretold strikes.

Now, Goldberg could have done the cool thing here and just like stayed in the chat as long as possible to get more like inside information from these fucking morons. but instead he did the kind of wimpy thing and removed himself from the chat on March 15th. I mean, I don't... Come on, yeah, I don't know. I don't. It's like, why?

I don't, this is a, that was a bad move, I think. That must be like, you know, when you're in the big group chat and you haven't checked who's it in, and you're like, Sarah's a fucking bitch, isn't she? And it's like, Sarah has left this conversation. You would, I think it's kind of like when you're at the casino and you're at the slot machines and you get like kind of a nice, like, jackpot. Like, the machine might be heating up and there could be more money there.

But you're going to cash out and walk away with, like, what you got, you know? Yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah, because it is like a store. I'm sure, I'm sure it was that it was a wimpy thing. Like, I mean, this is the only type of reporter that would ever probably be added into these convos. Yeah. But a more courageous, maybe less right-wing, shitty reporter might stay in, see what they could extract. Yeah, because you come out with an article in, like, three months. You're like, I have pages and pages and pages of our war plans.

You're right. So they're like, yeah, when he left, they had to have gotten a notification. Yeah, Jeffrey Goldberg left the chat, which, of course, would have alerted them of the fact that, you know, this journalist was in. Goldberg later wrote that no one in the chat had appeared to notice his presence throughout the operation and, like, even after he left. Didn't even, they didn't even see. They're like, oh, that was a weird. Goldberg, I don't know who that guy is. He's probably like, I don't know who that guy is. He's probably like a part of the White House in some way. I don't know. Yeah, somebody's assistant or something. Yeah. So Goldberg wrote this. I received no subsequent questions about why I left or more to the point who I was. Incredible.

It feels more humiliating that the war criminals are stupid. I don't know. They're just like epic. America is based for your hand emoji. It's like the fact that like the Zuckerbergs of the world are now like the ruling class. It's like fucking nerds. Nerds and complete fucking idiots. I wonder if like J.D. Vance like went home that night to his like family and he was like 58 people.

What do you guys think? Pretty cool, huh? We used F-18 Hornets. Yeah. My dad used to play the simulator, and now I'm flying them for real. Yeah, I'm sure, like, there's an insane amount of security breach of, like, you know, your pillow talking, cheating on your wife with some, like, transsexual, like, you found on seeking or whatever.

It's like she knows everything about what's going on in the White House. Goldberg contacted Waltz in the White House on Monday, March 17th to seek comment and Presumably to alert them to his knowledge. Over the next week, the Atlantic worked to verify the details and decide how to responsibly report on the story. Out of concern for national security, Goldberg initially withheld the most sensitive specifics from publication. He wanted to worry. He's worrying about the American state and, like, it's integrity. Yeah, no, he plays ball.

He's probably, it's probably why he got right. He was in Waltz's phone contacts in the first place because he's a journalist who plays ball. I do wonder, like, if they do say insane secrets and you just post them. Whether you're liable? No, the journalist can publish any state secrets he wants. The law has been very, very clear on this. It's, uh, it can be, it might be illegal to leak information, some circumstances, but it's never illegal to publish it. Well, and there's, look, there's no rule about there not being any consequences. So, you know, you know, report at your own risk. I mean, not, not every journalist comes out unscathed. Although this is the Trump administration, too,

so who knows how the rules change? What is that? Is it the idiom in tweet? I believe in free speech, but, like, I can't tell you what happens after you say it. Like, that's probably the Trump policy broadly, as we will see later. On Monday, March 24th, the Atlantic broke the story publicly. Goldberg published an article titled, The Trump administration accidentally texted me its war plans. Now, while Goldberg's piece confirmed that he had seen information on targets' weapons, the U.S. would be deploying and attack sequencing,

he did not publish those raw details at first. Instead, he kind of, like, described their nature and emphasized how serious of a breach was, calling it one of the most serious breaches of U.S. national security in recent memory. So he's actually, I mean, it's like he's publishing this story. He's doing the bare minimum of like what response we're reporting. But he's still being very deferential and protective of basically the national security state. Yeah, it's like a father who's mad at their kid. And it's like, I'm doing this because I love you. Like, I'm protecting you here. Within hours of the Atlantic story, reporters pressed officials for answers.

At the Pentagon, defense secretary Pete Hegseth was asked point blank why he had shared war plans of signal. Hegsteth attacked the credibility of the journalist without denying the authenticity of the messages. He also issued this flat denial. Nobody was texting war plans, and that's all I have to say about that. Thank you. I appreciate it.

D&I Tulsi Gabbard repeated this line when she was grilled about the issue by Senator Mark Warner. Contact the defense secretary or others after this specific military planning was put out and say, hey, we should be doing this in a skiff. There was no classified material that was shared in that signal. So then if there was no classified in material, share it with the committee. You can't have it both ways. These are important jobs.

This is our national security. Bobbing and weaving and trying to, you know, filibuster your answer. So please answer. Oh, boy. What's up with Tulsi Gabbard looking like Jubilee from X-Men? She's got the strike, you know. She does. She does.

She's like a girl boss. fascist she was like I'm going to celebrate getting a little quirky she's kind of like the Republican Kristen cinema a little she's got some quirky going on yeah yeah I mean I guess this is just going to be the rest of the administration if it if it does last for only four years like this reminds me a lot of like the Flynn style mistake that got him kicked out oh yeah talking to a Russian diplomat and then lying to the FBI about what he talked about yeah but now it's like everyone's a fucking idiot so the blame is just kind of diffused around and it's like okay this is our line on the subject. Like, you can't, you don't lose your spot in the administration now, I guess, because it's

just, yeah, everyone's a fucking idiot. There's nobody left. It's like, it's, it's the bottom of the barrel. Like, if the, if you, you can't lose the bottom of the barrel, you just have to, like, manage their, like, incompetence. I think it's also, this is a bit unusual, a bit of an unusual situation, and that everyone who works for Trump knows that if they stay loyal to the line to Trump and they are convicted of crimes because of that loyalty, they will be parted. Yeah, right. So, there's really no incentive to do anything but be loyal to Trump, which creates these sort of perverse incentives. Even Trump himself said that no classified information was shared. There was no classified information, as I understand it. They used a, a app, if you

want to call it an app that a lot of people use, a lot of people in government use, a lot of people in the media used. An app, if you want to call it that. If you want to call it what it is, is they used an app i like how he realized how bad it sounded like coming out of his mouth that they used an app it's just like it's on it's on the store it's for free you have to download it but you're to make sure that you're signed into your apple account it won't let you otherwise i oftentimes have to hold the iPad up at a very specific angle it won't let me download apps from the store it makes me put in my password but i forgot it and then i i changed my password to something else And then it won't let me change it back.

I'm constantly running around in my underwear going, Barron, what's the Apple store iPad app password? Because Barron knows all my passwords. You could say he's a password protector if you could call it that. It's very smart folks. Lots of numbers and letters in his head, folks. It's very useful. Though I should note that like after the extent of the information in the signal chat was a revealed, Trump hedged on that claim. Do you still believe nothing classified was shared?

Well, that's what I've heard. I don't know. I'm not sure. You have to ask the various people involved. I really don't know. It's like a perfect summary of like this administration or you ask another, like someone does an incredibly fucking stupid thing. And you ask another member of the admin about it.

And they're like, if that's true, then that's true. And, you know, you should ask him about it. But like I wasn't key. He did on that. Trump is doing something incredible where he's really leaned into this like, I have no fucking clue. I know. Yeah, it's awesome.

I don't know. Who are you going to? I don't know. You're going to have to talk to them. I'm really not first time hearing of it. This is like just, it's, it's kind of like a bulletproof defense in a weird way where it's like, God, I mean, when was the last time a president got up and was like, I have no fucking idea. I don't know. Ask the people fucking involved. Like, who do you think I am? Look, man, I'm just here to fucking, I'm here to like sign, you know, sign executive orders, shake hands, take pictures, all of the leading the country stuff. Like, you got to talk to them about it. Like, I don't, I don't, I don't fucking know about that. No, it's funny. It's like, yeah, during the first Trump administration, whenever he was. asked about something he knew nothing about. Like, his go-to was like, you know, we're actually looking very strongly into that. And then we're going to, we're going to have an answer for you in two weeks. Obviously, he didn't want to say, I have no idea what you're talking about, because that looks,

that looks weak. He hates looking weak. But now he's a tired old man. And now he doesn't find, it's like, it's like, I don't know, whatever. Who gives a shit? Maybe you have to ask the people who are involved. I don't think he's looking too far into the future. I think as far as Trump's brain, it's like when you, when you go to the DMV and you, and

you renew your registration and you're like, I don't have to think about this for another fucking year. Like, fuck you, bitches. Like, this is something that's out of my mind. I think Trump is basically like, I'm president for the next two years and they can't do anything about it. Like, I think basically he's like, I've got two years free run until maybe the midterms if, you know, and then there'll be a bunch of like impeachment hearings that probably won't go anywhere if we keep the Senate. But at least for these two years, like, I don't have to do shit. I don't have to answer to anybody. I don't know. I think maybe he is, like, looking forward to, like, campaign season and, like, all these, like, congressional candidates are, like, sucking up to him in order to get the Trump endorsement. I mean, that's, I think, his favorite part of politicking is the campaigning and stuff and all that business. You know, the actual governing shit, he hates that. Yeah. It's not thinking about the fact that legally speaking, that's going to be his last campaign. Yeah. Legally speaking, yes. Yeah, who knows. Now, what might have been behind these bizarre denial,

his was a legalistic defense because if the information wasn't like formally classified then sharing it on an unsecured platform or with a journalist by accent wouldn't necessarily be a crime in fact the the administration appeared to be retroactively claiming that the detailed attack plans were unclassified now this stance however is not really sustainable so some critics pointed out that by definition military operational plans and details of weapons systems are exactly the kind of information you know that is like commonly classified because because unauthorized disclosure could harm national security.

Others argued that the only reason the signal messages weren't marked classified because they were never on a classified system. This was just a technicality since the content itself was obviously sensitive. No one disputes that. Nevertheless, in the first sort of like 24 to 48 hours after the leak became public, the Trump administration's official line was unwavering. Like, no real seekers were compromised, and thus, in their view, the issue was being blown out of proportion.

This wound up being a really dumb strategy. Because senior officials like Hegseth and Gabbard and Ratcliffe and Trump itself were like publicly suggesting that the Atlantic's account was overblowing or false, Goldberg and his team decided to publish the actual text messages in full. That's funny. He's being a bit messy because it's like, I see he's concerned, right? He's like, no, no, no, it is serious, you fucking idiots. You see like Natsack kind of minded journalist versus these new idiots, like the Trump style. is funny because like he was like willing to be like a very you know very deferential very protective of the information he got and um and if like i'm sure if they had come out and said

yes that as there's an accurate story and it was bad or whatever then he wouldn't have gone on to publish the actual text messages because because he wouldn't have to like defend his journalistic honor right of course and uh so it's funny because like normally like their strategy for this kind thing, just deny, deny, deny, attack, attack, attack. Normally that works. But this time it like turned like maybe like a one or two day story into like a week plus scandal. We really are back. We're back. On the morning of March 26th, just before Congress opened its hearings, the Atlantic released a follow-up article titled, Here are the attack plans that Trump advisors shared on Signal. The Atlantic did redact one item at the CIA's request, the name of Ratcliffe's

chief of staff who was mentioned in the chat, but otherwise published the messages unedited. One of the problems with this scandal is that it's easy to understand, like Mike Waltz, because he's not a competent person, added the wrong contact to the signal group. You know, we all have experience adding people to a group chat, and information shared in this group included sensitive information about a military strike. You can understand that. It's not complicated. It's not technical.

It's just really, like, easy to grasp. And it's so simple that they have to pretend it's more common. complicated in order to spin it. For example, on Fox News, Mike Walts implied that some sort of vague nefarious plot was involved in placing Jeffrey Goldberg in this group. The president expressed complete confidence in you today and his entire cabinet. But how did a Trump-hating editor of the Atlantic end up on your signal chat? You know, Laura, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but of all the people out there, somehow

this guy who has lied about the president, who has. who has lied to Gold Star families, lied to their attorneys, and gone to Russia hoax, gone to just all kinds of lengths to lie and smear the president of the United States. And he's the one that somehow gets on somebody's contact and then gets sucked into this group. No, he doesn't get sucked in. He gets sucked in. It's not like a fucking whirlpool where he was circling around the edge for a little

while before, you know, ultimately getting pulled deep into the ocean. It's like, you added here, you can't add yourself to group chats. It's just not how it works. Yeah, they do have a problem that, like, the damning story is so much simpler and people love a simple story. Obviously, like, the freaks and the hogs will take this and run with it, but at that point, you can just feed them literally anything. More recently, press secretary Caroline Levitt implied that multiple independent investigations are looking into the matter, including one by Elon Musk in his team. Previous question from Jennifer.

As for your original question about who's leading, looking into the messaging thread, the National Security Council, the White House Council's office, and also, yes, Elon Musk's team, Elon Musk has offered to put his technical experts on this to figure out how this number was inadvertently added to the chat, again to take responsibility and ensure this can never happen again. Elon, he's like the fantasy IT guy where like it's like boomers who don't understand on technology works at all. Like, you could just say our guy Elon Musk is looking into like how it happened.

They'll be like, aha, a real genius is going to get to the bottom of this. It's purely abstracted. It's like there was some nefarious thing that added him. And we're going to find, we're going to hack into the mainframe and see which IP address did it. Also, why does every Trump spokesperson look like Elsa from the last crusade? Like literally every single one is like reaching for the grail. It's unbelievable. So one thing that's stopping me from going.

like fully blonde is all these bitches with like blonde hair and like brunette roots who are just like trump you know you know standins yeah it's the signature it's the signature drip you can't yeah you can't copy them it really strikes me is the just the incoherence of this stance because they're saying that signal is a fine perfectly acceptable way to talk about these sensitive matters but also there is some sort of mysterious force that somehow added a journalist that that's so strange. They don't even know how it happens. So you don't even know how a system like this or a chat thread like this, a chat group becomes insecure, but it's also fine to use. I mean, there's so many things about this. It's just that really lays bare, you know, just their just complete maliciousness

in stupidity. At this point, it's only appealing to like the people who click on that like, your computer has 100 viruses on one, two, three movies. It's like, yeah, look, it happened to me. I make sense if it would happen to them, too. Yeah, they're right in that age. They're right in that age where computer voodoo is strongest. Yeah. But me and my brother used to make so much fun of my dad for his like computer voodoo sort of theories. Like for example, when you would boot up a computer if you start, he would go, he would be like, Jake, don't start clicking too fast.

The computer's still booting up. You got to let it settle. Like he had all these little sort of like kind of like practices to make sure that you didn't break the computer in any sort of way. just said, don't click too fast, don't move your mouse while it's starting up all of these little things that probably had nothing to do with anything. So I imagine that this group is like sort of under some of the same beliefs. Yeah, I mean, this is a, I think, yeah, again, an instance in which, you know, like all of their, you know, their sort of knee-jerk, the reflexive sort of need to like deceive and deny and deflect, actually, you know, trip them up and tangled them up

in more problems than they would have if they, like, were able to. to humble themselves and take responsibility and acknowledge reality. Like normally ignoring reality, you know, is quite beneficial to them. But in this instance, it just fucked them up because the situation is so simple. Like this happened because Mike Waltz is a sloppy shit for brains. He can't be expected to operate with baseline competence for the same reason you can't expect a Labrador to solve differential equations. It's just far beyond their personal limitations.

Like both the United States and the world generally would be a safer place. I believe if everyone in that chat was fired and replaced with a group of Americans chosen at random. Absolutely. Yeah, totally. Maybe they would fucking care about the civilians that died in that strike. Yeah, because, like, your average person, like, you know, they understand how, like, the chat works on your phone. Yeah. And they would feel bad about being responsible for killing someone.

I think the average person has more competence and empathy than. and the people who were involved in this. Yeah, it's like, you know, there would be at least one person in the chat that's like, wait, wait a minute, like how many? What kind of size are we looking at here? Is this, you know, what kind of circumference of damage and what are we? But I guess if you're in this industry anyway, you know what the F-18 Hornets are going to do. You know, you know what the destruction is going to be like.

And you probably know how many civilians, you know, are roughly, you know, in the line of fire. You just don't care. It's part of the job. Oh, speaking of Elon Musk, you know, I want to return to his Department of Government Efficiency or Doge because it's been such a fucking far so far. And, you know, I talked a bit about how they're just lying about, like, how much money they're supposedly saving.

They're putting up fake numbers. But I think also they are, I think, inarguably decreasing the efficiency of government. One of the things that Doge did was initiate the widespread. terminations of federal employees across various agencies. So these actions were met with legal challenges resulting in court orders mandating the reinstatement of many affected workers. On March 13th, federal judge William Alsup in San Francisco ruled that the blanket terminations violated the reduction in force act. He ordered the rehiring of employees from several departments, including Veterans Affairs, Agriculture, Defense, Energy, Interior, and Treasury. Judge Alsup

criticized the administration's use of performance claim. as a gimmick to circumvent legal requirements. Concurrently, federal judge James Bredder in Maryland issued a broader order requiring the Trump administration to rehire workers from 12 departments and six agencies. This decision stemmed from a lawsuit by 19 states and the District of Columbia, alleging the administration failed to provide legally required advanced notice of large-scale layoffs. Judge Breder noted the lack of individualized assessments stating, They were all just fired collectively.

Even if like Dodge was like really had like some sort of a plan to reduce the workforce, you'd think they would just check into the law so that it would stick. But no, these people, they're so fucking arrogant that they think they can just plow through and all these like technical things that like like limit other littler people don't impact them or will never like halt their efforts. And very frequently they're right, but sometimes they're wrong. Yeah, I think this administration really is acting on the idea of, like, it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission. Right. And you see that with the other story as well, that it's like, like, fuck you, no, it doesn't matter. Yeah. It's like, all this is pretend.

And it's like, and they're like, they have to like, once it starts actually affecting them, they have to like pretend to care. It's just, it's very awkward for them. Well, and you hear this with people who have, like, worked under Elon Musk and left is, is that, you know, he, he orders something to be done first and then finds out later if it's, if it's possible. That's like he kind of prides himself on like that that's his methodology that that he's kind of asks for the impossible and lets reality sort of get in the way later. But if he's gained a little bit of ground, like he'll use that to say like, see, you pushed it to a place where, you know, you were capable of achieving something that you didn't think was possible. So I'm sure it's just like everything else where he tells them to do it. And nobody's going to say like, oh, I don't know. Like, do you think like a judge might, you know, get in the way later?

And he's like, well, don't give a fuck about a judge. what about like like he's you know his hubris I think you know knows no bounds and and he doesn't give a fuck about the rules and systems of government his whole thing is that he's like I'm going to go in and dismantle it so these reinstatements include approximately 6,400 employees at the IRS 5,700 employees at the Department of Agriculture, 3,200 employees at the Department of Health and Human Services and 1,700 employees at the Department of Veterans Affairs That's a lot of people. It was.

So this was a message that some employees for the National Weather Service received when they were rehired. This is to advise you that the notification of termination during probationary period sent to you on or about February 27, 2025, is rescinded, as it regrettably was sent in error. You must return to duty on Wednesday, March 12, 2025, unless you request and are granted appropriate leave. For all workdays between February 27, 2025 and March 12, 2025, you will return to duty-five, you will be coded in an administrative leave paid non-duty status. Oh, God, this is the worst email ever because it's like, yeah, you were fired an error and you got to be back in the office on Monday. So like, yeah, it's like, even if you're like, you know, you had just gotten to the point, you would crack that beer. You know, you had bought Assassin's Greed. You were like, you know what? Fuck it. I'll find a new job. I hated this place anyways. And then they're like, actually, like, you still have a job and like, you have to be back in on Monday. It's, it's like, it's like, Like, oh God, they're doing the right thing and it still sucks. I know.

It's like, it was, this is the strangest, I mean, I've, I've only worked in the private sector. But the idea that you could be fired and then told, no, actually, you're coming back to work now. It's like, what the, I don't know, it's just a, it's got a bizarre, bizarre situation for them. Yeah, it just, it treats human beings and workers as, you know, as less than. That you can be fired without thought, rehired without thought, and you better be in on time. Like, or then you might get fired for real. And you will be paid for your time off, a coded leave of absence. Like, oh, God, so much paperwork.

So most employees who are being rehired actually are currently placed on administrative leave with full pay and benefits during the transition. Okay. Which means that because of Doge, tens of thousands of government employees are being paid to not work. That's like government waste. It's like, even if you are like a real libertarian, want to shrink the government as much as possible, aren't you like a little angry at, Elon Musk, because now they're, they're no longer, these employees are no longer providing the services they are hired to do, but they're still continuing to get paid. Isn't this inarguably making the government less efficient?

Only these idiots could go in with the idea of like saving people money and then end up costing them more. It's as stupid as it could get, really. Another thing that Doge did, if you recall, was like, make these government employees submit an email about five things they did the previous week. Oh, they made such a big deal about it. It's like, I can't believe they would even object. Elon Musk tweeted about it dozens of times. It was so serious. It was like previously like this one-off request, but it changed into a supposedly like a requirement to do every week. I love the idea, like, obviously they're

not looking at them, but the idea that like how many jobs you would need to get like people to just read through these fucking letters every week. Remember, he even suggested that employees that didn't respond to this email would be fired. But as ABC News reported, government employees can't send emails to the address anymore to answer this question because the inbox is full. Un-fucking believable. So it can get worse. A month after Department of Government Efficiency head, Elon Musk began directing all federal

employees to submit a weekly list of five things they accomplished during the previous week. Technical issues have hit the process. A number of employees across multiple agencies have received bounce-back emails, indicating that the mailbox they were directed to email at the Office of Personal Management is full, thus preventing them from sending their reports, according to multiple emails reviewed by ABC News. After submitting their weekly Five Things email on Monday, some federal employees received an automated response from an OPM email address stating, quote, the recipient's mailbox is full and can't accept messages now.

Please try resending your message later or contact the recipient directly, according to the emails. Oh, man, shout out to all my anxious government workers who saw that the email box is full, and they're like, well, how the fuck am I going to submit my five fucking things? Like, am I going to get fired because these motherfuckers can't, like, read their emails that, like, they're supposed to, oh, God, like, oh, I can't even imagine. I mean, this is so fucking stuff, especially since they made such a big deal about how important it was and how, like, every government employee should do it. Like, the IT guy who works at your local, like, real estate office is competent enough to set up an email inbox that doesn't get full after a month.

But Elon Musk and his team are not. The report goes on to explain how the Five Things email requirement was essentially pointless all along. Of course. While Musk initially threatened federal employees with termination if they did not comply, multiple sources tell ABC News that enforcement of the requirement has seemed to wane at some agencies. And some employees have simply stopped submitting their reports without consequence. One federal employee told ABC News, they sent a reminder every Monday to send the same five accomplishments each week and have never been questioned about it. Another employee said some staff members are openly mocking Doge in their submissions, quote, I don't think anyone is reading these, they told ABC News.

Of course they weren't, because hiring people to fucking do that would be stupid. I wonder if they're trying to do like AI reading of it? Maybe. That would be very funny. I love that, like, Elon and his team are, like, essentially, like, the bad guys in office space, like, incompetent losers. And basically, everybody else are the heroes of office space because they're like, fuck this. I'm not fucking submitting it. I'm going to submit the same shit every single week and, like, see what they do.

And nothing's happening to them. What a spectacular failure. I know. This thing is that, like, it's like, even if you are someone who does believe in the mission of Doge and think that is something that, I don't know, should be done or could be done. I mean, do you think it makes the government more efficient to have every governmental employee send an email to nobody every week? Is that like, is that more bureaucracy or less bureaucracy? Deportation. I think perhaps one of the most troubling developments of the very young second Trump administration is its summary deportation of people without due process.

The administration, of course, claims that these people are migrants who did something to deserve deportation, but without due process. you can't really know if that's true or not. Now, if the government can detain or even ship someone overseas without so much as offering that person the opportunity to challenge the legality of this treatment, we're in a very dark place. And it seems as though the Trump administration is targeting legal immigrants for activity that is supposed to be protected under the First Amendment. Take, for example, the case of Rameza-Oz-Turk, a Tufts PhD student from Turkey who previously attended Columbia University. Immigration agents snatched her off the street in Boston

after the Trump administration terminated her student visa. The administration justified this action over her alleged activities in support of Hamas. Now, the administration has not offered any evidence of this. However, Ozark previously wrote an op-ed critical of Tuft's response to anti-Israel protests and called for the university to divest from Israel. There's also a harrowing report from Mother Jones, which says, that immigration enforcement officers are disappearing Venezuelan men to a mega prison in El Salvador because of their tattoos. Now, they're claiming that this is because they have gang-related tattoos,

but there's no evidence of gang involvement, and the tattoos are of things like butterflies and, in one case, autism awareness. Oh, God. Yeah, it's just, you know, it's, you find the state of exception, you find the place where people don't have rights, and you just expand it as much as possible. And it's very clear the Trump administration, they found it with, like, quote-unquote, illegal immigrants, with migrants. You don't have rights until you enter the country. They're just going to expand upon that until they can do whatever they want with anyone. That's their goal. Or take the case of Mahmoud Khalil, the Columbia University graduate student who is arrested and detained because of his pro-Palestinian activism,

though the Trump administration is claiming that Khalil misrepresented information on his green card application. Now, this is, I think, clearly hard to justify. But one of the ways people are attempting to justify it is by claiming that there is a close working relationship between campus pro-Palestinian groups in the U.S. and Hamas. Now, this claim isn't merely that these groups advocate for Palestinian rights, and the claim isn't merely if these groups are sympathetic to Hamas. But rather, they're making the much more wild claim that these groups are colluding with Hamas in order to spread pro-Hamas propaganda in the U.S. And of course, even if that was true, you would need to prove it in a court. Yes. Right.

Due process. You can't just say it. And then it's like, well, okay, I guess I guess fuck the legal system. One such accusation comes from a lawsuit that was filed by nine U.S. and Israeli citizens who were victims of Hamas' October 7th, attack on Israel. The lawsuit goes as far as to claim that the group Columbia students for justice in Palestine had four knowledge of the October 7th attacks. So conservative pundits Ben Shapiro summarized the most shocking claims from the lawsuit on a show like this. So it wasn't just that SJP puts out anti-American pro-Khamas propaganda, which they certainly do. It is also that SJP, according to this lawsuit, was in full active coordination with Hamas.

According to the suit, quote, three minutes before Hamas, this is insane. Three minutes before Hamas began its attack on October 7th, Columbia SJP posted on Instagram, quote, we are back in an announcement about its first meeting of the semester and urged viewers to quote stay tuned according to the filing the group's account had been dormant for months before the october 6th posting which was made a couple of weeks after the start of columbia's fall 2020s semester everyone is fucking cueing on now this is a cue proof yeah yeah yeah it's just like benjibir is such a fucking weasel because he's always done this thing of like no no no i oppose trump you know they're the vulgar and then he just like continually completely supports him and all of the most evil things he's done

You should just man up and embrace it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, I'd never be friends with him. Thank you, Jay. I think that it's like fucking, like, Shapiro is like one of those, you know, he's a graduate of Harvard law. He's like, he is, I think, capable of interrogating this claim and really seeing

whether or not is true if he wanted to. He just doesn't want to. He's just going to present it because he obviously knows it's bullshit, but he doesn't care. Before we even look into evidence of this claim, I think it's worth noting that Iran has provided, like, material support to Hamas for decades. But the Office of the Director of National Intelligence assessed in February of 2024 that, quote, Iranian leaders did not orchestrate nor had foreknowledge of the attack, which means to believe the claim of this lawsuit.

You would have to believe that prior to the October 7th attacks, Hamas did not tell their government sponsors who provide them with millions of dollars worth of support. But they did, for some reason, make sure to email a U.S. college club about it. It doesn't pass to sniff. Yeah. It's ironic, like the Egyptian state had awareness of some sort of attack being prepared and attempted to warn Israel, because they're really important collaborators in the region and Israel just sort of ignored them. So it's not as if, yeah, it's very silly. Let's take a closer look into the claim. So the claim here is that, like, the Instagram account for Columbia Students for Peace was, like, dormant for months, but then a mere three minutes before the October 7th attacks, it posted again. And this was, like, supposedly evidence of, like, direct collaboration. them for knowledge. Like, for what? To inspire an uprising in America? Like, yeah, I guess, like spreading, spreading propaganda. They claim is like coordinated propaganda for this,

for this attack, their claim. First of all, let's start with the whole thing about the account being dormant. So when the lawsuit says that it was dormant for months, presumably, I don't know, means that they were like laying low and they're the only activated to assist this Hamas propaganda. When they say dormant for months, they're specifically referring to the fact that the previous posts, before it posted on October, was on May 16th, 2023. Now, can you think of any reason why an Instagram account for a student club would stop posting on May 16th? So I actually, I googled Columbia Academic Year 2023, and I learned that the university's

commencement ceremony for that year took place on May 17th. So obviously, they didn't stop posting for a nefarious reason. it's because it's a university club and they took a break for the summer after the school year ended. Now, what about the other claim that the Instagram account started posting just three minutes

before the October 7th attacks? Now, the lawsuit doesn't provide any timestamps to verify this claim. That Instagram account has since been taken down. However, I did find an older, actually, it was a pro-Israel account that posted a screenshot of the timestamp for that particular post

on Instagram. Because this actually has been kind of a conspiracy theory that's been circulating among pro-Israel groups for the past year. So according to that, the post in question was actually posted at 1.26 a.m. on October 5th, so a couple days before the attacks. So the lawsuit and Ben Shapiro are simply incorrect.

The post was not closely timed with the attacks, and obviously there's nothing suspicious about a student group taking a break for the summer. And further, like all that post said, the one that they think is the ferry said, we are back first general body meeting to be announced soon stay tuned you could argue maybe i mean you can't argue this but like it's like a code word you know like that's the only possible otherwise it's just an obvious post about them presuming resuming activities on campus i'd like to know when columbia's uh school year starts i would imagine i would imagine it's a couple weeks before this yeah no yeah it's a couple weeks after yeah starts in september and this was like

like, I think like three or four weeks, obviously. So they're just preparing for the fact that students are probably returning to campus early and they're letting them know that they're still active and, you know, give members of this group, you know, some information about like how they can continue to participate. It was so, so, it's like it's not an exaggeration to say that this is Q&on level baking. Yeah, totally. It's a really important, I think, moment, especially within the American right?

Because there have been some, even like, you know, NatSec, right, who have opposed. this, but it's clear now if you're on board for this, that you're on board for for fall on fascism. Like, there's no stopping. If you are of a propaganda machine and you are putting out a positive spin on this for the Trump administration, like you are seek hyling functionally. Like, you are, you are a member of the black shirts. Thanks for listening to another episode of the QAA podcast. You can go to patreon.com slash QAA and subscribe for $5 a month to get a whole second episode every single week, plus access to our entire archive of premium.

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Listener, until next week. May the signal chat add you and keep you. We have auto-keyed content based on your preferences. I take full responsibility. I built the group. My job is to make sure everything's coordinated. But how do the number?

I mean, I don't mean to be pedantic here, but how did the number? Have you ever had somebody's contact that shows their name? And then you have somebody else's number there. Oh, I never make those mistakes. Right? You've got somebody else's number on someone else's contact. So, of course, I didn't see this loser in the group. It looked like someone else.

Now, whether he did it deliberately or, It happened in some other technical meaning is something we're trying to figure out. So your, a staffer did not put his contact information. No, no, no, no, no. Of course, well, that's what we're trying to, that's what we're trying to figure out. Okay. But that's a pretty big problem. That is what, that's what we've got the best technical minds, right?

That's disturbing. And that's where, I mean, I'm sure everybody out there has had a contact where you, it was said one person and then a different phone number. But you've never talked to him before, so how's the number on your phone? I mean, I'm not an expert in any of this, but it's, Just curious, how's the number on your phone? Well, if you have somebody else's contact, and then it, and then somehow it gets sucked in. Oh, someone sent you that it gets sucked in. Was there someone else supposed to be on the chat that wasn't on the chat that you thought was on?

So the person that I thought was on there was never on there. It was. Who was that? What person's question? Well, I'm not. Look, Laura, I take, I take responsibility. I built the, I built the group. Okay.

So that's, but look, that's the part that we have to figure out. And that's the part that we, embarrassing, yes. Thank you.