QAA Podcast - Trapped On Epstein Planet (E358)

Episode Date: February 4, 2026

"Are you still talking about this Epstein guy?" Yes Donald, we are. This week Travis has prepared a slough of revelations from the latest DOJ document dump pertaining to nightmare creature Jeffrey E...pstein. We’ll cover emails from the likes of Elon Musk, Christopher Poole (aka "Moot"), Richard Branson, and...Xbox? We think Travis may have listened to "Truly Tradly Deeply" one too many times because even he has taken up a little baking in this episode with some encouragement from Liv, Jake, and Julian. Jake makes the argument he should become pilled again. Subscribe for $5 a month to get all the premium episodes: www.patreon.com/qaa Produced by Corey Klotz. Theme by Nick Sena. Additional music by Pontus Berghe. Theme Vocals by THEY/LIVE (instagram.com/theyylivve / sptfy.com/QrDm). Cover Art by Pedro Correa: (pedrocorrea.com) qaapodcast.com QAA was known as the QAnon Anonymous podcast.

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Starting point is 00:00:02 You found a way to connect to the internet. Welcome to the QAA podcast, episode 358, trapped on Epstein. As always, we are your host, Jake Rakitansky, Julian Fields, Liv Aker, and Travis View. It was all of our favorites. It wasn't just some. It was.
Starting point is 00:00:53 Some of our faves were implicated. Some of our faves, but less of our faves than I initially thought. I don't know. Oh, yeah. you already knew the Dalai Lama. I'm going to be honest. I haven't read too much of the Epps. A friend showed me threads over the weekend,
Starting point is 00:01:10 and it scared me so much that that's all I've been able to think about, is how, that's a platform that was like out of my, I wasn't even in my sort of peripheral vision, and now I'm obsessed with it. What's amazing is that you can hear Jake say that, and he is not referencing the movie threads. He is referencing the platform. Wait, what movie, what movie threads?
Starting point is 00:01:31 Oh, if you want to be even more scared, go ahead and watch that too. Okay. Thank you, Julian, for bringing me just a tiny little, leaving one last little gift under the tree to push me slightly further over the edge. Yeah, it's a 1984 movie. Yeah, interesting. Worth watching. Okay. Well.
Starting point is 00:01:49 So, yeah, the Epstein Files Transparency Act, which was passed last November, required the Department of Justice to release all of their Epstein-related files, with a few exceptions, on December 19. It did not. The Epstein Brackish Water Act. Yeah. Yeah, the Epstein slightly cloudy act. Now, there was only a partial release on that date, and we covered what was released on the previous episode. But on January 30th, the DOJ released 3.5 million pages of documents, 2,000 videos, and
Starting point is 00:02:24 180,000 images related to Epstein. Now, the Department of Justice actually said that they have over some. million potentially Epstein-related pages, but the remaining 2.5 million pages are still withheld for various exceptions. So unless Congress steps in and does something to reveal more the documents or additional information is released through a FOIA request and lawsuits, and this is basically it. So what was just released and what everybody's going crazy for, this is what we're going to see from the government in terms of what they know about Epstein. They've really done a great job, you know. I think one lawyer,
Starting point is 00:03:01 counted 500 appearances of the victim they represents name, unredacted throughout. So that's really good to not redact that, but just to make sure that, you know, all of the rich people, I don't know if there's many, many slip-ups in redactions that are directly, you know, implicating people 500 times. Yeah, something this sensitive, this really is the best administration, I think, to handle a release like this. I really, I wouldn't have trusted governments in the last 30 years to have handled this well, but the searchable database, I mean, they're doing a lot right.
Starting point is 00:03:31 Yeah. I also, I loved, it's like just as an extra sort of bit of humor. It's like when you go and search the Epstein documents where you access them on the FBI website, it asks whether or not you're over 18. Yeah. Because if you're under, it sends you to this other cool website where you can sign up for a retreat. I'm just glad they didn't include the wheel where I have to scroll down all the way to the early 80s to find my birth year. Yeah. I hear Travis is in the in the, in the. files somehow. Yeah, it's true. Isaac, I was searching through them out of curiosity. I searched my own name. And apparently the FBI had an old Atlantic article that I was quoted in. So Travis View appears one time in the new release of the Epstein files. I think you should be more ashamed of being quoted by the Atlantic than appearing in the Epstein files. Not that there's too much of a
Starting point is 00:04:24 distinction and organizational structure there. Yeah, I mean, I was thinking about this. We're definitely all on some kind of list, right? Even Corey. Yeah. Come on. Don't, don't, don't. Oh, you mean Cori Klotz from Beijing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he's definitely on a list. Him and his five brothers. Yeah, him and I Weiwei are currently teaming together to rehabilitate the Chinese government's image by having Ai Weiwei be like Germany's worst. This place rocks, actually. I apologize. But like, but I'm being serious. Like, we're all probably on some kind of list, right? Jake, we're all on a lot of different lists.
Starting point is 00:04:59 There's publicly available lists that we're on. I don't like mean email list for like Patrick Ewan's basketball shoes. You're on the list of like micro-transaction whales for like almost every like gaming. What? And the Raid Chatter Legends list. Yeah, they hit you up first. You know, I've been looking for a good mobile game. And with the amount that Liv makes fun of Raid Chatter Legends, I like hovered over it
Starting point is 00:05:21 the other night in the Android store. And I was like, do I, do I dare so many people? 6.5 million people 10 million doten loads can't be wrong Like maybe Raid Shadow Legends Is like is all it's cracked up to be It's a gambling website Where you can like instead of actually winning real money
Starting point is 00:05:39 The things that you win You can like watch them fight You press the play button and then it fights for you Like you don't even fight yourself It's incredible It is just like pure gambling addiction profit What were those the spinning tops That would fight each other in the ring?
Starting point is 00:05:54 Is it Ninjaco? Robo Rock or whatever you've been You brought this up at least three times, I think, on this podcast, and my memory is full of holes. Look, when I don't have anything to say or like something decent to contribute, my brain goes back to toys I didn't get for Hanukkah, okay? But then I was aware of commercials for it. Five minutes into the Jeffrey I've seen episode.
Starting point is 00:06:13 We're talking about rocking robots. I've got bad news for you, Jake. And this is related. I'm going to try to rope things back in. So you know, Jake, how much you love microtransactions, right? I don't love them, but unfortunately with the games, I play, they are a necessity. What if I told you that in 2013, the man who would later pioneer many of the micro-transactions
Starting point is 00:06:34 that you do not like was chatting with Jeffrey Epstein about micro-transactions? Specifically, Bobby Kotick, the CEO of the famed Activision. I thought for a second it was Gabe Newell and my heart was like crushed. No, it's not. It wasn't Gabe. Yeah, well. Now Liv is relieved and my heart is crushed because on my place. I have some sort of setting enabled.
Starting point is 00:06:59 I don't know how to turn it off where I have to enter my password every time I want to buy something. And I have all these memories of entering that password over and over and over and over again to buy like, try to get like the Daryl Dixon skin on Black Opsom's six. Okay. Oh, that's it? That's the whole. Okay. It is interesting, like a lot of the files, it seems like Epstein just like his motivation is just to make the world worse. He's just got like the massage whispering his ear like, no, no, no, we want more microcherns.
Starting point is 00:07:26 transactions. Like, let's get like stake.com. I'm sure he's involved in stake. com and it's really somehow. Yeah, yeah. No, it's incredible to realize that like at every foundational moment. And we'll get into, you know, the poll board and 4chan in a bit. But like learning that if you just take a picture from history and you basically
Starting point is 00:07:43 Photoshop Jeffrey Epstein in, there's a good chance that you're correct. Like the 2008, you know, collapse. He was there with like the monkeys at the monolith at the beginning of 2001. Like, he's being around. Like, he might be Bob. Fawking, it would be so fawking awesome if you guys learned how to use tools and shit. I think he is like David Lynch's Bob, and it's sad that Lynch had to pass away before realizing that there was a face that he could have given Bob a permanent face. Honestly, he didn't pick too bad with Palmer's father.
Starting point is 00:08:13 So, I mean, I was pretty skeptical that any new releases of Epstein documents would happen at all. But they are pretty illuminating in some sense. They, you know, they shed new light on Epstein's network and its interactions with powerful associates. but I think it's ultimately kind of unsatisfying in a way that's only going to make people more insane. I mean, yes, it will, but also I think like at this point, unless you're, you know, kind of willingly thick, the Mossad claims are incredibly valid, you know, American intel as well. You know, there's just too much chatter. There's too much involvement. There's too much openly stating it, you know, in people's claims of conversations that have been had. And I think it's
Starting point is 00:08:54 interesting that after all this time we learned, we finally learned the word that they use for assassination or getting rid of somebody. And guess what, folks, it's whoops. It appears several times and he references it as like a kind of known word among people where it's like, get rid of this guy. Yeah, this is going to be a whoops or something like that. So as in like, whoops, I fucked up and said something I shouldn't have got myself killed. Whoops. Looks like somebody got. Yeah, he says whoops a lot. I mean, I was like, I think he's just like, you know, a weird. No, he literally references it, a person writes him and says, you can, you have my permission to kill him. We're getting getting into that. Yeah. Okay. And then he's like, yeah, this sounds like a whoops.
Starting point is 00:09:31 Well, why would they code it if they're also talking about killing it? No, but they're not, because they're not coding it. It's literally just what they're little fucking funny word for it. Like they probably look at each other. Hey, did you hear what happened to blah, blah, blah. Whoops. You're saying they're dabbing on us, basically. Yes. Yeah. I think Julian's right. I think, I think this, this does make the most sense. It's like a little emoet they do after they murder somebody. Yeah. It's like if, it's like if, it's like if, it's like if you, find out, like, you know, all the worst people in the world are using, like, crude automatopoeia to reference stuff that in the past you would have loved to hear names like,
Starting point is 00:10:02 targeted assassination. Instead, they're like, whoops. Hey, Fred Hampton got whoopsed in his bed. Yeah, Epstein's like, ha ha. It's a new one alive. I think that Gen Z can learn from it. Got whoopsed. I don't think that Gen Z can learn anything from Jeffrey Epstein. That's my official position. It may be different than Julian's. What? You've learned enough? He was like trying to do the Jewish version of whacked. He was like, hmm, he would like, what would my version be? Whoops. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:27 It doesn't. It's like when my soft had dropped a whole tray of briskin on to the floor. She went, whoops, hold on a minute and then put it back onto the tray and served it. Instead of the Clinton body count, it's the Epstein whoops list. Yeah, it's the whoopsie doodle popsicle pill. They really do think we're children. We are their children. But we are.
Starting point is 00:10:49 Yeah, this has turned me into a child. We are their satanic spawn. We're like the cattle to these people's, like, satanic endeavors. Yeah, and it's just well to start with, like, I mean, the most, I think, relevant revelations from the, from the new dump is that, like, this was, like, an industrial scale kind of like abuse and exploitation systems. You know, the files reveal a lot more details about the mechanics of Epstein's trafficking operation. Now, according to FBI interviews, these 302 forms, Galane Maxwell handled many of, like, the travel arrangements and many times, even helping procure passports or visas for girls who needed them to travel internationally for Epstein, as was reported many years before, the use of modeling or massage was used for fronts.
Starting point is 00:11:33 Epstein associate Jean-Luc Brunel ran a modeling agency that supplied Durles under the pretense of legitimate modeling contracts. Brunel, who was later arrested in France but died in custody in 2002, who appears. I'm just going to say it every time. This is going to replace the beep. This has to replace the. the beating threats.
Starting point is 00:11:54 You never have to beep me again, Corey. I'll just say that I'd love to whoops all these guys. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Well, Brunel, as was reported before, he really is really a key middleman for Epstein. In one case, a 70-year-old victim in New York said she was approached outside her dance studio by a recruiter
Starting point is 00:12:14 invited to provide dance-based fitness sessions to Epstein only for those encounters to turn into sexual massages that continues for years. Epstein paid her after each encounter and directed her life in various ways, even encouraging her to bring in other young dancers to meet him. It was a, really, it's a pyramid scam of abuse.
Starting point is 00:12:34 This is literally the recruitment scheme for Andrage Girls that happens in Twin Peaks at the, like, the casino order for. Lynch again. Yeah. Lynch again, just like pointing his weird, fucking transcendental meditation finger at the shape of what things are
Starting point is 00:12:48 and not quite being able to put his finger on it because, you know, he's on the astral plane. But I think he's above nodding sagely. Yeah, Lynch also, like, crouched in the bushes, videotaping the scene at Bohemian Grove, but, like, you, but used what he learned much, much smarter than the other, the other guy who was there. Now, I think, uh, most prominently, uh,
Starting point is 00:13:08 there's lots of, like, hundreds of friendly messages in 2019 between Epstein and former White House chief strategist to President Trump, Steve Bannon. They had talked about everything. They were close. They talked about, like, politics and travel. and a documentary project to rehabilitate Epstein's image. I found that conversation that is like now leaked online nearly two hours, I think, of them conversing so interesting because it's so clear that Bannon thinks Epstein's a fucking moron. Like he keeps like having to be like, no, but we need specifics.
Starting point is 00:13:39 Like how did the derivatives like effect like this and domino the markets? And then every time like Epstein's just going back to like, well, I mean, you know, it's like if you're a doctor, like the body can hurt. But then the lung and the heart and then, you know, and they're trying to like, he's trying to get him back on track. No, specifically, like, what were your conversations with like, you know, people within Lehman's brothers and bear sturds? And then he also has to keep telling him, you know, by your own accounts, like, you're smarter than every person in the world, like mathematicians, like, you know, economists. And you're telling me you can't even give me like a straight answer. And I mean, the bottom line is so telling because he finally just goes, well, no, nobody understands it. Nobody understands the market.
Starting point is 00:14:14 I did find the ban and Epstein stuff fascinating. first insofar as it shows like how much of an idiot Bannon was that he's on the Epstein rehabilitation train, not even just like the moral wrongness of being close-fessional friends with Epstein, but thinking that he could rehabilitate Epstein's image in 2019. Then also just like how much Epstein like probably felt like he was like completely untouchable. And also how much of a narcissistic was that he was like, yeah, I want people to like me. And we're going to do like a liberal media run and everyone's going to think I'm cool again. I'm not convinced that this kind of story about what Bannon was doing about rehabilitation was true.
Starting point is 00:14:46 I have a feeling that's just what he told him so that he could get him to talk for hours because when he kind of like presses him, he's not pressing him in a way that seems to lead to flattery. It's really, he does seem to be trying to get information out of him. I don't know. It's a fascinating conversation
Starting point is 00:15:02 and I don't know. I don't fully buy the rehabilitation thing. I think he was working on some idea of a documentary that was going to be wider than Epstein, but it's a bit like, you know, I mean, this is very common with documentarians dealing with like subjects that they know, like, suspect that they will be portrayed badly or it could be easily portrayed that way. They really like make them feel like, no, no, no, this is about you
Starting point is 00:15:22 and you're, you know, you have a part in this. You have some control on this. So yeah, I don't know. I'm not fully on the train there yet. Yeah. In one March 2019 text, Bannon asked Epstein to use Epstein's private jet to pick him up in Rome. Epstein later joked to Bannon. Now you can understand why Trump wakes up in the middle of the night, sweating when he hears you and I are friends. Oh, they're friends. Oh, interesting. Yeah, but even the way he talks about Trump, you could tell that it's like they fucking don't. They don't like him.
Starting point is 00:15:51 Yeah, they're forced to kind of interact with him, but they all think he sucks. There's that like passage where he says the idea of him running around in his undies in my mansion, like, is not a fun, like, thought. But they do still know they need to keep him like properly blackmailed it on a leash. So they have to put up with like this doo-do-smelling dork who walks into fucking like giant like windows. on his way to the underage women. Oh, God. Now, the release includes hours of interviews between Bannon and Epstein as part of that documentary project. In one strange clip, Bannon asks Epstein if he's the devil.
Starting point is 00:16:28 What are you? Class 3 sexual predator? Tier 1. Tier 1 is the highest and worst? No, I'm the lowest. The lowest. Do you think you're the devil himself? No, but I do have a good mirror. It's a serious question.
Starting point is 00:16:43 I'm sorry. Do you think you're the devil itself? I don't know. Why would you say that? Because you have all the attributes. You're incredibly smart. You remember the devil is somebody knows? The devil's brilliant.
Starting point is 00:16:54 You read Milton's, you read Milton's Paradise Lost. No, the devil scares me. Satan is the, he is the, he is the, he is at the number one or two archangel. And the reason he goes to hell and leads the rebellion is because he can't be the top guy. and his thing is I'd rather I'd rather rain and hell than serve in heaven. I saw that in a movie. Dude, it's honestly,
Starting point is 00:17:20 it's, it's like, it's, I mean, it's like watching, like, a person having like a meth psychosis, attempt to interact with, like, a guy who has CTE. It's really fucking cool. It's like, what are you, you're talking to a Jewish person. Even if he did believe he was the devil,
Starting point is 00:17:37 you're in the wrong cosmology, dumbass. And also very funny that Bannon just wants, like, he wants that, that hard, Open. Do you think you're the devil? I got a good mirror. They're all just dorks. Yeah, Bannon is the kind of guy who's like, we got to videotape something for the Stinger trailer. Like, he's a guy who videotapes something being like knowing full well that he wants it in the trailer. I had no idea Epstein had such a thick New York accent. Yeah. It's kind of fucking me up. Or I shore that film. Was he talking about Constantine?
Starting point is 00:18:06 Maybe. Aye, aye, y, y. In fairness, there was bipartisan communication with Epstein. Epstein. Epstein was also in contact with Kathy Roomler, a former Obama White House counsel. He emailed her with numerous typos, which is characteristic. Insane typing style, this guy, just weird spacing and adding weird symbols in strange places. It's very strange. I guarantee you he's the type of guy that was like, dude, I don't even fucking correct my spelling.
Starting point is 00:18:35 He had advanced, like, copy of the Minority Report technology where you can kind of type in space. but when you're so busy, like, fiddling with other things, then, yeah, it's hard. You know, you end up making all these kind of errors. Jeffrey, really? You just, like, send out emails like that, but you're, like, emailing with, like, Bill Gates and presidents, kings and queens. She's like, dude, that's the fucking dope part about it. It's like, fuck them.
Starting point is 00:19:00 Like, read my fucking circumflex, you know, read my fucking axon ague three times in between a sentence, you know what I mean? Like, fuck you. You know, like, fucking, dude, I just, fucking type what I want and they have to fucking make sense of it. That's how fucking baller I am. Yeah. He's watching like the Mossad like language monitor
Starting point is 00:19:19 and he's like using different words because he's like watching them pop up or not pop up. He's like, oh, if I put two commas here then like the monitor that I have like a closed loop feedback on doesn't flag it. He's like fucking dude if you fucking flip the iPad fucking sideways dude
Starting point is 00:19:35 my shit looks like the fucking matrix. Epstein emailed Rumler that Democrats should ease up on painting Trump as a mafia-type figure. Rumler says that she only knew Epstein professionally and, quote, regrets ever knowing him. I bet they all do now. A few people with regrets today. Epstein's circle extended into sports ownership in Hollywood. For example, emails indicate that Epstein acted as a fixer for Steve Tish, who is a Hollywood
Starting point is 00:20:04 producer and co-owner of the NFL team, The New York Giants. In one exchange, Tish asks Epstein to set him up with a woman messaging Epstein with lines like, is she fun? And once saying, is my present in NYC in reference to a woman Epstein apparently arranged for him.
Starting point is 00:20:20 Yeah, no, it's very cool. I mean, it's like, it's like, I didn't think that they would like straight up, like put like strong evidence of real crimes from famous, powerful people in this release. So I mean, I guess kudos for that. Nothing will make your heart drop further than sent from Blackberry or sent from iPhone
Starting point is 00:20:37 at the bottom of each one of these. You can see why. Epstein thought he was untouchable. He's like, I got email arranging pedophilia for all of these people. Like, you think they're going to touch me? Mm-hmm. Another prominent name is Casey Wasserman, a sports Asian executive and chairman of the L.A. 2028 Olympics committee.
Starting point is 00:20:54 So if you are a gymnast attempting the Olympics of this coming 2020-8, look out. Look out for what, Travis? Look out. Look out. Look out. It turns out your structure is also run by benefiles. Look out because this sports competition is being arranged by an episode. associate. Everyone is implicated. You're president. Who cares about this stupid Olympics?
Starting point is 00:21:16 Every single one of these people from years ago, decades ago, has controlled us in our destiny, Travis, and they were all pedophiles. And I remember the epic and cool words that you once said, it's not ideal that the world's being run by a secret cabal of pedophiles. Travis, Travis, if these motherfuckers are the guys who sat in a dark room and decided that I have to pay $50 every time I want to take a level 60 basketball player in NBA 2K to just level 85. Not even going to 99. I think it's like 150. It might be 200 bucks per bill.
Starting point is 00:21:53 But just to go from 60, just to make a fucking buck, just to be competitive. I got to pay 50 to get to 85. Oh, I want to season pass. That's another $19. Actually, it's another $19.99. But what about the pro? And people, by the way, they've been saying focus on the victim. and this is what we mean.
Starting point is 00:22:13 Right, Jake? You know, I almost did a story for this episode. It's been seven years, almost, almost exactly. The Epstein Hawking story premiered in February of 2019. And I almost did a sequel, but I was like, no, this is too bad. Like, this is serious shit. Like, these guys, these monsters fucking tortured, you know, people for decades and decades. Like, this shouldn't be made light of.
Starting point is 00:22:37 I'm not going to do another Stephen Hawking impression. Those were different days. They were different days. Those were worst days, and I regret doing that, and I didn't want to make that mistake again. And yet here I am complaining about spending $150 to potentially $750 to potentially $750 on a virtual basketball player, who, by the way, still sucks. I still suck at the game. It doesn't even make me better at the game. I'm still losing.
Starting point is 00:23:00 I'm still throwing air balls. Getting the ball swiped. You could probably hit up Noam Chomsky and ask him, like, what the kind of implications are for the power structures and how. communism should not feature in it. I mean, does he play a big man? Because that's really what we need. I'm so sorry, Travis, please. The files include a flirtatious 2003 emails
Starting point is 00:23:21 between Casey Wasserman and Galane Maxwell discussing real estate and massages. Maxwell joked about knowing a few spots that apparently drive a man wild and offered to practice them on Wasserman. Wasserman replied about his desires, including, quote, you, me, and not much else. He had a desire for himself.
Starting point is 00:23:41 It's like you and me. The desire was a situation. Yeah, yeah. You'd be harder if he had written nothing else, you know, not much else. You know, not much. What much? What's the much? These people are terrible.
Starting point is 00:23:52 I mean, any sex that like becomes flaccid into the, you know, public information is going to be embarrassing. But there's no way that these people are going to be like, oh, that was actually really, the way that she described, the way that Gilae and Maxwell described having sex with the guy was so eloquent. Like, there's no way. I came away knowing a lot more. This is a type of guy that I really love because it's like he's clearly involved, like, in the kind of Epstein cabal.
Starting point is 00:24:15 But he is so stupid that he is like spending all his time while all the boys are filing past him into the, into the underage brothel. He's just trying to hit on the woman at the front counter. He's like, yeah, you really are a sexy one. She's like, is there anything I can help you with? He's like, yeah, you can help me with your hands. Meanwhile, all the guys are like, hey, please, could you? Yeah, sorry, just trying to get past. Yep.
Starting point is 00:24:41 Wasserman also expresses deep regrets saying that these exchanges occurred, quote, long before Maxwell's horrific crimes came to light. It's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Newly released photos also show film director Brett Ratner, best known for the Rush Hour series and the new Balania documentary, posing with Epstein and two young women.
Starting point is 00:25:01 And posing is really, like, he's got his hands around. Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, he's being, he's being bad. Yeah, that's the look of the devil. Look at these two right here. Two demons. Jeff next to him, look at them. Look at these guys. There's nothing in those eyes. There's just, it's just like two pinpoint. It's like when the police officer is shining the flashlight in your eyes. There's nothing there. That's what I see with these two guys. Epstein had a lot of communication with business leaders in a 2013 email exchange between Epstein and the billionaire Richard Branson. Branson writes Vista Epstein. Anytime you're in the area, I would love to see you as long as you bring your harem. Like, what the fuck? Jesus, God. Hey, this really adds a whole new meaning to a virgin being the name of his companies. This is, I think, really funny in light of, like, you know, like Pizza Gate style decoding.
Starting point is 00:25:53 Like, we have the fuck, a real fucking billionaire writing Epstein, bring your harem. It's not coded. Yeah, Virgin Mobile does feel like a euphemism for what I've seen is doing. He's looking for mobile. Virgin's more than Virgin Mobile. Yeah, they're doing worse things. Like, the things that they have code words for are probably much, much more horrific. Yeah, I mean, there's one that just says, I enjoyed the torture video.
Starting point is 00:26:17 It's just like, there's just emails that are just so beyond the pale. Yeah. I mean, there's one that it just says, yeah, like, kill this guy. And it's like, yeah, we'll take care of it. No one fucks with you. Or even the one where he literally says, like, that Galane's father was killed because he was a problem to the Mossad. He just, he just writes it. He writes it down.
Starting point is 00:26:34 It's so fucking absurd. Yeah. It truly is shocking. That is a subtle reason why, among many reasons why PizzaGate is stupid, is like if you're sacrificing children to Moloch, like you're not writing in code. You don't need to. I think one of the biggest things that is like that is insane as well is, you know, I mean, we're very familiar with like anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and how they can like
Starting point is 00:26:57 just not quite understand structures of power or exclude, I guess, like structures of power so that their understanding can stay, you know, coded along ethnic or religious or national lines. But like, this is the kind of shit that Jeffrey Epstein was writing other people. Quote, at my dinner table, I asked, quote, why are you right-wing guys so anti-Semitic? One said, historically, we all know it's actually being the Jews behind the governments actually pulling the strings. I said, like who? And one pointed at me and they all started to roar with laughter. Me? And one guy said, how do you explain? In only three days, there have been princes, prime, and other ministers, emissaries, plus two presidents of world bodies. Guilty! So funny, wish you were here.
Starting point is 00:27:44 So it's like, I'm, I mean, this is going to be a fucking issue. Between this and, and Israel, like, it's, I mean, I'm sorry, but there's going to have to be a limit to, like, how much you can kind of, like, deny that there's like a kind of international conspiracy that happens to be. be staffed largely by Zionists who, by the way, in other emails discuss whether goys or no goys will be at this or that party. I don't know. It's just, it's really fucking shitty, ugly stuff that I wish, like, just, uh, wasn't, uh, wasn't right out there for everybody. And everyone's eating. Everyone's eating at the table. Yeah, I think Jake said this before. It is like, oddly fitting that it is the Trump admin, that it's like, like, this was all released under a Chud administration. Despite how, like, obviously liable the top of the head of the Chud administration is in relation to these files, something about like American conservatism immediately. This is a disastrous for them. But like,
Starting point is 00:28:35 Chud politics in general can turn this around, I think is able to spin, especially how much files that they have, is able to spin something out of this like to facilitate radicalization. Yeah. I mean, imagine, imagine like reading all this shit and still being like, I'm a Zionist Christian. Like I support Israel, but also like I'm reading about this shit. And what's interesting too is that there are, of course, like moments where you see that it's not the monolith that some would have it painted as. For example, when Ehud Barak was about to retire as prime minister of Israel, he discusses with Epstein the possibility of making money. And Epstein can barely fucking spell the name of the head of Palantir. And it's like, you should look into this company and this kind of stuff.
Starting point is 00:29:12 So it's not like everything kind of originates from one central thing, but you can see the threads of history. It's like, oh, now Palantir plays a huge role. And that was the company that, you know, like Epstein was like, yeah, you should look into these guys. Like, you know, but he's misspelling the names. Like, you know, even he's not super familiar. He just knows they're on the inside track. So, yeah, these, these like interconnected power structures, it's, you know, it's, uh, it's driving me completely insane. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:37 It's so tough because it is so sinister, but it is so simple. It's just everybody wants to make money. And who's the easiest and, like, simplest way that you can make the most money, no matter who you fuck over, no matter how illegal it is. And, like, Epstein is the guy. And he's constantly just, he, that's the guy. If you want to fucking go do something that's kind of dark and illegal, but, but there's a loophole or, there's a guy who can get you the right connection so that you won't get in trouble. Like, there he is.
Starting point is 00:30:02 We all had this guy in our fraternity, you know? The guy who looks harmless, but he secretly fucking slinging like pounds and pounds of, uh, you know, DMT to 18 and 19 year olds. I mean, even like, you know, watching a show like House of Cards or something like that, there's a figure like this. It's called the fucking fixer. Like he was just possibly the world's top fixer,
Starting point is 00:30:25 which means he had to make sure that money flowed back and forth, elect blackmail so that he can pull in favors, make sure that he stays powerful and in the mix, and also, of course, you know, cater to the tastes of the richest, most bored and sick of this, like, moneyed class, this disgusting capital accumulation, satanic den of pedophilia and sin. Yeah. I keep remembering back to sitting uncomfortably with Travis and Julian in Tom Arnold's dining room with our equipment, our equipment set up, and we had brought our shit over there because That was the only way that we were going to talk to him.
Starting point is 00:31:01 This was after we had 45 minutes of just like, we didn't even know if we were going to be able to do the episode. But then we sat down around that table and he was telling us, you know, all these rich guys. Like, they all do this. They all fuck children. You know, they all, they say, oh, well, in Morocco, the age of consent is 15 years old. So like, what's the, that they all have already, like, long since found a way to, to explain away any guilt that they could have about, you know, this kind of violence. I just keep thinking about that. And it's like, wow.
Starting point is 00:31:30 And it still took this long to come out. And it's like under the Trump administration and like Liv said, he's one of the most prominent. It's just, ugh, how are we not living in some sort of simulation specifically designed to destroy both Julian and myself? I do feel like one of the reasons why this can be like a Chud, like victory that the release of this in the backdrop or the fallout of the files is that like, focusing too much on conspiracy theories can be just like missing the forest for the trees, that it's like, as Jake mentioned, it's like he was the guy you went to to make money, that like there was a brutal economic social political structure that undergrids all of this that makes it all possible.
Starting point is 00:32:11 You can put all these people in jail. You can, what is it? You can upsy them. You can make sure that they're all oopsied. And there will be more people who will come into the fold and take those positions. Exactly. This is the natural effect and result of the, set of circumstances. This system would produce this same result over and over without fail.
Starting point is 00:32:34 I mean, if you structure the world this way, then of course this is the result. In one email that Epstein sent to himself, Epstein wrote a note after an apparent fight with Bill Gates. Epstein alleged that Gates acquired a sexually transmitted disease from Russian sex workers. Epstein says this addressing Gates. To add insult to the injury, you implore me to please delete these. emails regarding your STD, your request that I provide you antibiotics that you can surreptitiously give to Melinda and the description of your penis. Okay, so somebody knew he was writing on the record.
Starting point is 00:33:09 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Hey, these are all the things you've done. That's so awesome. What a fucking pathetic loser. I thought you were in charge of like worldwide pharma. Get your own antibiotic. That's funny.
Starting point is 00:33:19 Can't get a plug. Christ. Description of your penis. Jesus. Oh, so. Yeah, just the idea of like Bill Gates. you know, a billionaire trying to find a way to sneak in antibiotics into Melinda's food or something. Yeah, because he accidentally gave for gonorrhea.
Starting point is 00:33:37 Mr. Epstein, my penis hoits, my penis hoits and my wife is about to find out. Yeah, that's what I was thinking is that somewhere there's an email of Bill Gates being like, ah, well, and there's some strange, uh, colorful discharge. Oh. Just around the sort of base of the penile. Jeff, have you experienced this kind of discoloration or discharge before? And do you have something that I could poison my wife with so that she doesn't catch whatever thing that I have? And by the way, I'm going to call the new system Xbox Series X.
Starting point is 00:34:20 Do you have any extra small condoms? I'm having trouble seeing both the pussy and the titties because my glasses aren't the great prescription. It's so awful. That's worse that this impression, this little riff, is worse than any story you could have written. I'm just so cooked. I'm so tired and I'm so dead. Just from, I don't know why. I mean, we always said it was always going to get worse.
Starting point is 00:34:51 But to actually experience the worsening is. I'm just so fucking tired. Mm-hmm. The new documents also include exchanges between Elon Musk and Epstein, and they reveal that Musk has not been entirely truthful in regards to his association with Epstein. So last year, Elon Musk claimed this. Epstein tried to get me to go to his island,
Starting point is 00:35:15 and I refused. Yeah. I think you're mistaken yourself with Norman Finkelstein, who has an incredible email. being like, fuck all you guys. You bunch of fucking profiles. And also, Fidel Castro, another person who had been seen in photos. And everyone was like, oh, God, no, please.
Starting point is 00:35:36 And then it turns out Epstein in the emails is, you know, straight up saying, and I quote, Fidel Castro died. Now a lot of possibilities for me. So Castro wasn't a friend. Turns out Epstein did not like social safety nuts and literacy programs for the global self. It really screws up his deal. I mean, not to mention, like, pre-revolution, like, Havana was, like, a huge hub for human trafficking. And, you know, like, the Cuban Revolution, like, did a whole lot to specifically combat and get rid of that kind of exploitation, like, on their island.
Starting point is 00:36:09 So, yeah. Anyways, Vive la revolution, et cetera. In his emails to Epstein. Elon Musk repeatedly asked about partying and visiting with Epstein. Now, strictly speaking, there's no evidence that Elon actually visited Little St. James. But if he didn't, it was because stated plans to visit never materialized. It wasn't because Elon didn't try. It's because he's too fucking lame to even get on that.
Starting point is 00:36:33 Tell me that you have the line where he asks if he's R-worded. No, I didn't include that one. You didn't include it? Okay. Come on. One of the best moments in all of the emails is Elon being so stupid. He doesn't understand that he's talking about underage girls instead of whatever, like, UN emissaries or whatever.
Starting point is 00:36:50 And then he's like, no, of course. There's going to be nobody above 25. Do you think I'm retarded? Which he is literally too stupid to do the pedophilia. The earliest email between Elon Musk and Epstein on the file state to September of 2012 when Musk, which by the way, by the way, in 2008, Epstein was convicted of soliciting a minor for prostitution. He was a registered sex offender, right? So it was not a secret. He's been known for years that this is a guy who abused children.
Starting point is 00:37:22 Oh, yeah. And so, Musk wrote that they had a... Very enjoyable conversation. Epstein writes back, hopefully the first of many. I'm so disappointed that the Epic Island vacation email was fake. Because I saw that circulating around where Elon Musk wants to go on an Epic Island vacation. And then they're like, oh, he's lame.
Starting point is 00:37:42 He's too lame. Let's not invite him. That's one of those things, yeah. It's like there was one email exchange that was totally fake in which Elon says something about girls for it to win. And then like Galane says like, oh, you know what, we're just wrapping up the little St. James operation
Starting point is 00:37:59 as if they're trying to give them the brush off. That's one of those things that is strictly speaking false, but you know, directionally correct. It does sort of... It's sort of... It sort of does communicate the vibe between Epstein in Elon. She's like, sorry,
Starting point is 00:38:15 the Squid Games are now closed. The world has gotten so bad that we've gotten Travis to now respect directionally correct as like something I mean something like I know you say yeah in November of 2012 Epstein asked Musk how many people
Starting point is 00:38:29 would heli to island as in take a helicopter to Little St. James to which Musk responded referring to his then wife Tallulah Riley Probably just Tallulah and me What day slash night will be the wildest party on your island Oh he's so such a fucking loser
Starting point is 00:38:45 This is so fucking funny He's so stupid he's like he's like Yeah absolutely come hang out with us like let's rape some kids and he's like, cool, I'm bringing you my girlfriend. Yeah. Dude, he's literally too stupid. I went to this like smash pros thing that was big in Vancouver because I was like, oh, it should be fun. And it was definitely like the most uncomfortable. I've been in a, well, almost the most uncomfortable. Like, people are very awkward.
Starting point is 00:39:07 It was fun to watch. But afterwards, there was this like official boat cruise, like that the organizer was hosting. And like, obviously, immediately that is like the place that you go. If you don't get an invite to any actual parties, you know, you're like, I'll pay $100 to go in the official boat cruise. Of course. It really feels like somehow this is like the billionaire version of that boat cruise, that it's just like, you, I wanted some fucking sick parties. I'm a billionaire.
Starting point is 00:39:30 I can pay for this. By the way, this is the email that maybe appreciate just like the extent of the emptiness inside of Elon Musk. So this is an email that Musk sent to Epstein at around 6 a.m. on Christmas morning in 2012. Now, at this time, Musk had five children. His twins were eight years old, and his triplets were six years old. Now, this is what he emailed this registered sex offender before the sun broke on Christmas morning.
Starting point is 00:40:00 Do you have any parties planned? I've been working to the edge of sanity this year, and so once my kids head home after Christmas, I really want to hit the party scene in St. Barts or elsewhere and let loose. The invitation is much appreciated, but a peaceful island experience is the opposite of what I'm looking for. he's so he's like it's so funny I mean it truly is so stressed I just want to get out there and party
Starting point is 00:40:27 I think he is a type like a type of Trump in their circles too right where it's just like don't invite him and I think like Jeff Bezos at the very least is not trying to get in on the action you know he's like I've got my own like you know Pasha party like big titty Latina
Starting point is 00:40:43 parties that I'm going to like I don't I'm not emailing anybody lonely at 6 a.m. You know on Christmas when I'm having to hang out with my children for more than an hour. Yeah, he does seem like an actual frat pro billionaire. Like, he's not the one who has to buy the- Yeah, totally. Don't get me wrong, but, yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:58 That is, like, what, that is the last time I remember texting something like that is, like, when I was, you know, 17 or 18 years old, like, on the, you know, being like, where's the biggest party at on the road? Yeah. It does feel like a lot of this is a byproduct of the fact that, like, the best way to make a shit ton of money is by being a nerd. That, like, we're all ruled by fucking nerds now. You know, Palantir, Lord of the Rings reference.
Starting point is 00:41:20 Yep. They're like, how do I use my insane amount of influence to, like, be able to buy 16-year-olds? But instead of being, like, soft and sensitive and, like, understanding of, you know, whatever, they want to emulate, like, the worst fraternity guy that bullied them in college and become that. I'm sure that's Elon. It's funny. Elon actually went to Queens University, which is the university I went to. There's a photo from him in, like, Vic Hall.
Starting point is 00:41:42 And I can see, like, he must have been, like, the most annoying engineer loser. and like, you know, not invited to any parties, and he's just working out that complex continually. He's like, now I'm the cool guy because I have money. Yeah, didn't he brag about like never go into therapy ever or something like that? I'm sure. There's no way. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:59 But, yeah, well, here's just what kills me. Is that, like, you know, being a parent is, you know, full of ups and downs, full of, like, sublime joy and grinding boredom. But what I think one of the, one of the most reliable sources of joy is when you have kids between the ages of, say, five and ten, and it's Christmas Day, especially when you have, like, a little bit of money saved up. So you can show them something really cool. You can really share in that kind of really genuinely innocent excitement and wonder of, like, simple things like toys and lights and whatever. Here he has five kids, age, age six and eight.
Starting point is 00:42:36 And he is a billionaire. He could show them anything. He could hire a private jet to fly to fly to. the North Pole. He could give them an amazing experience on Christmas Day, unparalleled, and sharing that joy. But in Christmas morning, he's not thinking about that. He's thinking about leaving and to party with a pedophile. It is just so fucking sad. It was very disappointing to see that none of the children knew what it was when they opened their presence and they found that they were all short positions in IBM. In the middle of the night, I had some of my
Starting point is 00:43:14 top level scientists come in and implant neuralink into all of their brains. And I have, there's an app now on my phone. I put them to sleep and I fly to the island for wild parties. I'm not interested in a peaceful experience, but the wildest. I put them to sleep and I come back and I wake them up. There must have been some internal debates of like, okay, this guy's very stupid. I don't think we should actually like bring him in for the more, like he's too volatile and stupid.
Starting point is 00:43:40 Maybe don't admit that we're full pedophiles, just like we're like youngish. girl party people, you know, like, let's go to St. Bart's, you know, instead of like, no, no, come to the island. Like, we have, I don't understand what we have here. Does he even see himself as a pedophile? I feel like he's just like, I'm hanging out with girls. Well, first of all, he's a libertarian, so no, he doesn't see himself as a pedophile. Yeah, yeah, it's just like everyone loves girls. Like, what's the problem? Where are you going to? Well, sometimes you'll find that the biological clock of a young girl doesn't quite match the age of consent in the specific territory in which you find yourself, Tallulah, are you awake? I knew I shouldn't have given you the
Starting point is 00:44:13 Xanis. But like I could just imagine somebody somebody saying like, Elon, like you're you've been hanging out or talking with Jeff Epstein? Like, don't you know that he's like a pedophile? And Elon being like, I'm pretty sure not. You know what I mean? Like he's just like...
Starting point is 00:44:30 You have to understand if fibophilia is a very different disorder than pedophilia. It's a question of perspective. If you understand the problem, it's a math problem, really. By anyway, it's like this is I think also kind of clarifies why exactly Vivian Wilson, who is Elon Musk's eldest, disowned him. You know, it's like, I mean, she didn't know this at the tie probably. But like just generally, the general attitude of like being more willing to communicate with a
Starting point is 00:44:58 pedophile in order to plan a party rather than spending time with your own child Christmas morning. I don't know. Just clarifies that relationship for me. Yeah, could be a bit of that and could be a bit of, you're actually dead instead of like accepting your transition. You're actually dead. Like, I have a dead child.
Starting point is 00:45:14 Like, I'd say that also might have been an issue between them. So Musk and Epstein seem to try one more time to arrange a visit to Island. So this was a year later in December of 2013. Musk asked, We'll be in British Virgin Islands slash St. Bart's area over the holidays. Is there a good time to visit? Epstein replied, I will send Halley for you.
Starting point is 00:45:36 After a series of back-and-forth emails on scheduling, Epstein emailed to cancel. Bad news. Unfortunately, my schedule will keep me in New York. I was really looking forward to finally spending some time together with just fun as the agenda. So I am very disappointed. Hopefully we can schedule another time in the near future. It's awesome because you can tell what emails Epstein is lying in because he actually finishes sentences. Well, yeah. Surprisingly formal. And there's all the like tell tell spaces of like, oh, shit, I should edit that to say something a bit different. you know, it's really incredible. It's like period so and the so, the S is lowercase, because there's something before, and surely.
Starting point is 00:46:18 Yes, yeah, always, for sure. It was a bunch of cut and paste. And he probably, I mean, probably had someone else write it for him. But I guess we know the result of that insider conversation about whether we should let this guy in and whether we can capture enough blackmail on him fast enough that he can be part of our gang or whether it's just going to be a sticky, annoying situation where he keeps bringing his girlfriend because he hasn't fucking read between the lines and decoded anything in our emails. Naturally, because of these emails, people started accusing Elon Musk of being a repulsive loser, a pedophile, and a repulsive loser to other pedophiles.
Starting point is 00:46:50 Damn. In response, he forcibly pushed back against the allegations that he's a loser. He tweeted this. If I actually wanted to spend my time partying with young women, it would be trivial for me to do so without the help of a creepy loser like Epstein. And I would still have 99% of my mind available to think about other things. But I don't. Young women. It's an interesting choice of words
Starting point is 00:47:12 This is like a response That's like almost as bad as the Drake one Of like the Epstein lion's what I expected It's really not getting ahead of it I would still I would still have 99% of my mind Available to think so he's like with one percent I could fuck a child
Starting point is 00:47:28 I'll have you know Even though I was refused at the entrance of pedophile Bergen I never wanted to dance there You know pedophiles usually only is 1% of their brain To fuck the child normally it takes 10% but I only use one and the other 99% is thinking about
Starting point is 00:47:50 other children than I would like to fuck. It's like, yeah, it's fucking like taking the limitless pill for pedophilia. That's a crazy response. I know. Yeah, it's like I'm not a fucking loser. I could totally fucking party with women. I just don't want to.
Starting point is 00:48:04 Yeah, I could totally be a pedophile of it without Epstein. You see how insecure he is about being a fucking loser that, like, as a narcissist, that's, like, how he was wounded most. Yeah. I was invited. He really, he's just hard on the sleeve. He really shows you how easy it is to piss him off and exactly how to do it. Now, we have to talk about the revelation that Epstein personally met Christopher Poole,
Starting point is 00:48:27 aka Mute, the creator of the image board, 4chan. And further, this meeting seemed to happen, like, around the same day, possibly the same day that Poole created Forchan's pull board, which is, of course, the birthplace. of Q and a lot of other online reactionary political culture. Ha ha, ha, he he. Yeah, I don't, this is a, this is a part of the, like, I know people are now saying, you know, O'POL is like a massage. I know.
Starting point is 00:48:51 But, like, I actually don't understand why. I think Epsen was just like, I like destroying things and making things worse. I think it's funny. Maybe it's like the, almost the same instinct that some like pepés have on pole where it's just like, it's fun being in on stuff and making things worse for your own kind of, for your own delight, I guess. I don't know. It's hard for me to imagine the long-term game here. Yeah, I wish there were more details. I'm so fascinated.
Starting point is 00:49:17 Yeah, I'd like to know more about why they were even interested in moot. It could be a hundred things. I do see, like, a lot of people online say that because there's this meaning, well, that that definitely means that, you know, QAnon is some sort of psychological operation. And it could be. I mean, but we would need to, we would need to know more about the context because it could also be that they're chatting and Poole is saying, you know, I have this idea about doing this political board where it's kind of like, you know, real, just disgust, you know, and whatever. And, and Epson goes, dude, that's fucking awesome. I love that idea. Fucking do that, dude. Yeah, they're all just like intellectual dark web kind of guys.
Starting point is 00:49:56 That's it. Yeah. It's like, you can make that. You can do that. Yeah, exactly. I think so too. I think he kind of just wanted to post. I mean, a lot of them probably did want to post. It's like, where can they put their worst idea? is, you know, the real things that they believe and this is one answer. It is a good example of like getting lost, too lost in the weeds with conspiracy stuff that like saying like, oh, well, QAnon is a sci-up that explains it. It doesn't really explain why QAnon did so well. It's like because people want that sort of shit because it clearly worked on people's brains.
Starting point is 00:50:23 It certainly adds color to that moment. Yeah. And to to moot and the fact that he was on, you know, the radar clearly of multiple, I think, intelligence agencies. So, I mean, that's something that that's never been a doubt is. like the amount of like backdoors, the amount of, you know, organizations even like signal, like that, that receive funding from some of these, uh, you know, kind of gray sources. I think a lot of it is just like, hey, you know, as long as you build in a backdoor,
Starting point is 00:50:50 we ain't coming for you, you know? That's why Pavl Durov, like, had to eat such shit compared to everybody else who made like a, a quote unquote encrypted platform for your phone because he wasn't on the inside. There was no meeting with him. Right. And I mean, Poole resigned, right? Didn't he resign like before, like, before Q? like long before, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:09 He like sold it or stepped out pretty early. He's working at like Google or something. Right, he was working at Google. My vague recollection is that he left shortly after Gamergate, that he started implementing some kind of like rules on, on 4chan that people really didn't like. He banned Gamergate and they, and they, all those guys fled to A. Chan at the time. So, I mean, I don't know. That ideology seems probably adjacent to the Epstein, you know, intellectual dark grab stuff,
Starting point is 00:51:35 just like edgy exchange of ideas like very chudcoded but not absurdly chudcoded not like yeah i mean anybody who's you know building something like silk road or fourchan or certain apps or whatever they're going to be they're going to be on the radar like people are going to kind of pay attention to that especially um you know seeing him kind of go right back into that complex and and get a job like at google or whatever after like having led the most like insane yeah kind of movement and being so defiant. I mean, you just see them capitulate. Like the Nazis getting hired at NASA after World War II.
Starting point is 00:52:09 Let's just say they all get to sit down where they get to see the angle of the Zapruder tape that no one else gets to see. But the idea, though, that I have seen floated around that I think is like ridiculous and people should check themselves is the idea that Epstein went to pool saying, hey, I have an idea for a government insider op that we are going to use. five years from now, you know, however many years from now, to basically conform, you know, Republicans to, we're going to create this so that they'll ignore Trump's, you know, Trump's own pedophilia and have that plan work out and work out. So it just, I'm sorry, there's just no world. Enough was aligned at the time.
Starting point is 00:52:54 Yeah, there's just no world where things go that according to plan. Because every major corporation, certainly every entertainment corporation and every influencer, you know, if they had a tried and true method of what was going to go viral, everything would be going viral. They would be using it. In a 2011 email, Boris Nicolok, who is a former advisor to the Bill and Millinda Gates Foundation, tells Epstein he had been in San Francisco and met interesting people, then singles out Christopher Poole. emphasizing his youth, he was 23 at the time, and sharing a Wikipedia link, describing Poole as a cool guy, kid, Epstein should meet. And the poll board was, according to the official history, was created on October 23rd. The next day on the 24th, Boris Nicolak asked Epstein, how did you like Mute? To which Epstein replied, I like Mood a lot. I drove him home. He is
Starting point is 00:53:51 very bright. Which is like such a good anti-cosine for Mood that they had a quote-unquote deep conversation. Probably, yeah, again, I just about like freedom of information, no, ideas. Well, people are very used to, you know, catering to the feelings of people like Epstein in conversation. Yeah, that's true. The emails indicate that they met again on January 29th, 2012, and then a month after that, Moot wrote to someone, quote, hope to see Jeffrey in New York. Yeah. And that's basically everything that the files reveal about their interactions. And yes, it's like from this, strange timing coincidence. People have made the conclusion that Epstein had a
Starting point is 00:54:29 hand in creating poll. I don't know. I think that goes beyond the evidence. So according to Christopher... I mean, it's very possible that... I ain't ruling anything out anymore, fellas. I'm not ruling anything out either. It kind of doesn't matter at some level. Who cares? Yeah, I'll never know. Who cares? Who needs to
Starting point is 00:54:45 police this? For whatever reason, somebody thought that Epstein would like to be in contact with the guy who was running the biggest anonymous message board on, you know, I mean, there was a reason that somebody wanted to introduce the two of them. Well, probably because they were, like, building in a fucking backdoor, like, everything else, you know. I don't know. It's, like, more believable to me that there's being a, like, you know, kind of discussions of backdoors and ways that pool can be useful to intelligence rather than Epstein came up with the pole board. Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:55:16 That seems much, that seems very plausible. Here's a system that's already in place that we don't have to build that we can use. Let's figure out how easy the kid is to mold. Yeah, especially like if you consider it a kind of net, right, where it's like, okay, well, we let people post whatever they want. We make them feel that they're completely anonymous. However, if we're interested in anybody, pool, we'll just pull the IP and we can get that person's home. And now we have the initial potential blackmail like stuff based on the post and, you know, etc. It's a great way to build, like sources.
Starting point is 00:55:44 And it's obviously a great, he's a great asset to have. So something tells me, I think it's, I'm not going to go so far, but maybe, you know, considering this is like his onboarding as an asset with Epstein as his handler or someone else? If that's true, then if intelligence agencies can pull any IP, then we have to assume that there is a department somewhere in the government that knows exactly who wrote every single QAnon post, right? Oh, there definitely is. There's no way that they are behind the curve on that.
Starting point is 00:56:17 They at least have vague information. But again, I think the way that these people operate is not, oh, let's go. and make a big splashy bust and say this was Q and we caught him, they go, how can you continue to do what you're doing and help us? Because that's how informants work. Like, police, like, will let the criminal continue to do the crimes as long as it's a way for them to have leverage in situations that involves, like, local power brokering. I'm feeling an uneasiness. Oh, really? Just starting now? Yeah. No, and it's just, um, it just feels like the story is now bigger than it was, you know, a couple weeks ago. Just, just in regards to my own personal interest
Starting point is 00:56:54 in QAnon from a work and personal standpoint. But there's an uneasiness there, you know? Yeah, I think there always has been. And I think that there is a lot that is still hidden to us about what intelligence agencies knew and when. And what they facilitated as well. Yeah, what they facilitated, you know, what they used to their advantage. But my best guest is, yeah, they're aware of the people involved and the people that were relevant enough have been co-opted. even if it's just to have them be quiet and continue to feed the MIP addresses of people or this and that and the other. According to Christopher Poole, like in online statements and interviews, poll was created as a containment board.
Starting point is 00:57:30 Earlier that year in January, he had deleted the board new because it wasn't discussing news as was his original tension. It was just sort of like a place where people just sort of like were racist. And he wasn't a board that could help prevent bigoted or inflammatory political posting from spilling out onto the boards. Okay, new theory. New theory, Epstein wrote all the 4chan posts. They contained him to that board. Yeah. I mean, so the creation of this board was like, I mean, it was a long time coming in 2011.
Starting point is 00:58:03 I don't know. I think it's the very least interesting. I don't think there's really anything really substantially you could conclude from this strange timing. But I don't know. I think it's worth thinking and investigating more. I hope Christopher Poole at least addresses the timing and his relationship with Epstein. Epstein's like he's sitting down at that meeting and he's like, dude, so I have this fucking picture. And it's me spreading my ass like as far fucking open as I can.
Starting point is 00:58:28 And like, I can't fucking post it on Facebook. I'll get fucking banned. I can't fucking post it on Twitter. He's like, it'd be fucking dope if there was a place where I could just fucking like post that shit. Because like, it is really dope. Christopher Pool logging on to GoDaddy to make sure he can do the dot CX. I mean, it is like, I think there's one thing that I would probably venture to say is true, is that Epstein has probably posted to Fortune a few times,
Starting point is 00:58:56 which makes me think that there is an existence out there. Epstein penned green text posts. And I would fucking kill to see those. They were a posting power couple, Gielane and Epstein. Yeah, Galane's rid of it. Be be in a fucking submarine. be Stephen Hawking next to me asleep. Yeah, that's the other idea that, like,
Starting point is 00:59:21 Galane Maxwell ran the Maxwell Hill sort of, like, a power user account. World News Mod as well. Yeah, it was kind of like a mod. It's one of those things where it's, like, the evidence is, like, suggestive and strange, but it's like, I wouldn't say it's conclusive. Fuck it, I'm on board. Who cares?
Starting point is 00:59:39 Yeah. And we also want to talk to some of, like, the strange, disturbing entries in this new. release. For example, in 2009, Jeffrey Epstein emailed someone unknown and the email address is redacted. And Epstein said, where are you? Are you okay? I love the torture video. Which like, are they redacting a victim there, a survivor? Like, I mean, maybe, I guess. No, yeah. A lot of the time, it's not like that. I don't, I don't know. Also, the way he's talking here, it's probably like, I don't know, somebody sent them a video of someone being really,
Starting point is 01:00:10 really uncomfortable or, you know, it could easily just be like, I don't know, this one doesn't seem as specific. I don't know. It's true. It could have sort of less than the sort of like nefarious implication. Could be a porn. A porn somebody's sending him, you know? Yeah, at this point, do we really need to know that like nefarious things were happening? Like, or the specifics or whether a specific email is actually proof of a nefarious deed? Like at this point, all of this stuff kind of starts to just float in a large field of objects kind of twistering through the sky. I'm starting to think this Epstein guy fucked kids. Yeah, I'm starting to think he was into like, you know, sadistically torturing, raping,
Starting point is 01:00:49 and killing potentially children. But this is what happens is that we're given a little peek into this world and we see how sick and depraved it is. And we want to know it all. We want to have a complete picture that we'll just never have. And so we're forced to sort of do these deep readings on every single little communication they have, hoping to get a further glimpse into what's really happening. I mean, this next one, I think, is a little more direct.
Starting point is 01:01:15 Yes, this one's strange. And there's this other one that's very disturbing. So in 2014, someone emailed Jeffrey Epstein this. I give you permission to kill him. He is apparently with Olga. He lied to you and he lied to me. Sent from my iPhone. To which Epstein replied,
Starting point is 01:01:31 whoops. And then this individual replied back this. No one will lie to you and get away with it from me. No one. Whoops is correct. Sent from my iPhone. See, this is what I mean. Whoops. It's like, it's just like their code word for like, oh, looks like another person that was accusing somebody slipped off the mortal coil.
Starting point is 01:01:48 Looks like those Kevin Spacey accusers got whoops. Okay. Do you think maybe though it's whoops? You shouldn't like let people know that I kill people in email? No, he's saying whoops is correct as in that's going to be our solution. No one will lie to you and get away with it from me. No one. Whoops is correct.
Starting point is 01:02:03 Or it's just a lazy response, you know? I don't know. What's interesting about this entry is that the name of the sender was like a, They tried to redact it, but it's kind of like poorly redacted. The bottom of the letters of the name are kind of visible. And from this, some people online have suspected that the redacted name belongs to someone named Susan Hamblin, which I have to confess, that does seem, does seem right to me. I'm with the, yeah, fuck it.
Starting point is 01:02:30 Let's go. Good bake. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. I mean, it's like the letters line up and a Sue Hamblin is Epstein associate. Sue Hamlin is in the little black book. So this sort of like this checks out for me.
Starting point is 01:02:42 And furthermore, so Susan Hamblin, she's a UK interior designer. And what's interesting is... A femme fatale. Exactly. The British publication, The Sun, published articles claiming that Susan Hamblin had groomed and procured a 16-year-old girl to be sexually abused by Epstein and had told this girl that Epstein would kill her and her family she told anyone what Epstein had done. And the article said that while the girl was being sexually assaulted by Epstein,
Starting point is 01:03:07 Hamelin ignored her cries for help. And when the assault was over, paid her $500. They got a whoops. Everyone involved in this. Yeah, there's a few whoops. They really got to. There's got to be a lot of whoopses going on. Yeah, we need some reversing the whoopsie,
Starting point is 01:03:22 playing the little Uno card that reverses the arrows. And here's the crazy thing. So Hamblin successfully sued the sun and got the publication to withdraw the articles and pay Hamblin compensation and legal costs. Now, UK, they have some really obnoxious libel laws that make it really easy for people with resources to sue. outlets or even just individuals when they say things they don't like. But I think in light of these emails, I'm thinking that those allegations are a lot more
Starting point is 01:03:48 credible. No, I do want to caution one thing. I saw a lot of posts saying that Susan Hamblin was a founder of the adoption agency, kids, two families. And this is like this is like obviously. Two kids, too furious. Oh my God. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:04:01 Epstein is direct communication with an adoption agency. Is this another vector for procuring children? So I looked into this. And the president of the agency was actually a woman named Susan Hamblin Lawrence, who was an American woman, a completely different from the British Epstein associate. Unlucky. Yes, Susan Mary Hamblin. Cleared. Different people.
Starting point is 01:04:22 That is unlucky. We found like the woman version of being named Jeffrey Epstein. You know, there's that Twitter account of the guy. He just named is Jeffrey Epstein unrelated. Yes. Yes. Now, what about Epstein's alleged connections to Israeli intelligence? So there is a short exchange where,
Starting point is 01:04:39 Epstein tells former Israeli Prime Minister, Ehud Barak, you should make clear that I don't work for Masad, smiley face emoji. Wow. Interesting. And then Barack says, you or I, and Epstein clarifies that I don't, smiley face emoji. Bro, come on. I'm dead that, like, the PM is like, well, what if they thought I worked for the intelligence of the country I wrote?
Starting point is 01:05:03 You or I? Yeah, no, I'm sorry. But this is also not the only proof. There was the whole, like, Jim Acosta sweetheart deal quote where the quote was like, this person is, you know. Belongs to intelligence, right. Yeah. Yeah, there's some suggestive stuff, at leastly, this dump. Now, as first reported by Dropside News, the newest batch of documents also includes a recording of Ehud Barak and Epstein talking about Peter Thiel's company, Palantir.
Starting point is 01:05:28 And like both Barack and Epstein kind of struggle to spell it. Neither of them Lord of the Rings fans, I guess. No. That is goyslop. he thought there was two cyber companies look out and even though I know Peter, I've never met Peter Thiel and everybody says he sort of jumps around
Starting point is 01:05:46 and acts of strange like he's on drugs. Smoking, yeah. He looks there under drugs. However, he has a company called Palantir. P-A-L-L-E-N T-I-E-R, Palant-T-E-R, Palant-E-L-T-E-E-R. Wow. Wow. And look out. Palant-T-L-I-E-R.
Starting point is 01:06:06 Yes. Incredible. How you I T-H-I-E-L-H-I-E-L. L-L-E-E. No. T-H-I-E-L-L-L-L. My God. He got everything wrong.
Starting point is 01:06:21 I love that everything they're spelling each time they spell it is a different iteration. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're getting it wrong every single time and in different ways. And agreeing and agreeing wrongly. Yeah. Can you even remember how they spelled it? It's also amazing. They're like, yeah, I don't really.
Starting point is 01:06:36 know, he seems to be flitting here and there. Like, he's on drugs. Like, have you ever heard of this type of gay gay chem sex? It seems like he is on the drug of being gay, and so we cannot control him very easy. He doesn't not need help throwing twinks off of his 80th floor apartment balcony. It's just like, oh, my God. It's like the people who run the world literally sound like my grandparents
Starting point is 01:07:03 trying to, like, understand the pharmacist on a landline. You know what I mean? What is this a podcast? QAnon. How anonymous? How do you spell this? There's also an email from Epstein to someone redacted, alleging that Robert Maxwell,
Starting point is 01:07:22 Galane Maxwell's father, who was definitely a Mossad agent, threatened Mossad. From me sent Thursday, March 15th, 2018 at 122 p.m. Subject, he was passed away. Robert Maxwell threatened Mossad. He told him that unless they gave him $400 million to save his crumbling empire,
Starting point is 01:07:43 he would expose all he had done for them. In that time, he had free access to Margaret Thatcher's Downing Street, Ronald Reagan's White House, to the Kremlin, and to the corridors of power throughout Europe. Maxwell passed on all the secrets he learned to Mossad in Tel Aviv. In turn, they tolerated his excesses, vanities, an insatiable appetite for a luxurious lifestyle and women. He told his controllers who they should target and how they should do it.
Starting point is 01:08:08 He appointed himself as Israel's unofficial ambassador to the Soviet bloc. So it seems like he has a lot of inside information about like chatter within Mossad. Yeah. He was passed away. They don't even, they don't even, they did it. They did it on the yacht. They did it on the Lady Galane. And then he recruited her as his like long term, he moved in because it was, you know,
Starting point is 01:08:30 a person who'd been around these circles forever. And I mean, it's not even uncommon for some of these people to feed them. their own children into the meat grinder, so it's not like I'm surprised, but Jesus Christ. Yeah, yeah. Also, the Epstein of the emails, he really throws a bone to the anti-Semites. Now, I think he's already established Epstein, not a credit to the Jewish people, but he also doesn't do any further favors in these emails. Not one of our best. No, no, no, there are better examples of the community, certainly. We're not sending our best. Jeffrey Epstein and Jared Fogel, both famous pedophiles, both Dead.
Starting point is 01:09:06 So, yeah, Epstein, a couple of instances used to the word kind of like Goyem, kind of like derisively referring to non-Jews. In a August 2010 email exchange about a Yom Kippur-themed event, Petty Siegel asked whether it will be a 100% Jew night. And Epstein replies, No, Goyam in abundance. J.P. Morgan execs brilliant wasps. There's a second document that quotes Epstein describing like trading profits and says this.
Starting point is 01:09:33 Let the Goyim deal in the real world. Which is, I don't know, which is a real disturber level kind of like exchange. It's really awful. I should say, I mean, my family, like, my parents really never said Goy. I never heard Goyim, but Goy was thrown around pretty casually in Jewish circles. But it wasn't like a swear. It was kind of just like, you know, I never was taught that it was like, you know, or really like a horrible thing to say.
Starting point is 01:10:03 It was just kind of funny that there was a name for like people who weren't Jewish. Epstein does seem like a type of guy who would read the protocols and be like, I'm fucking one of those guys. I'm so cool. I'm so dope. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:15 They fucking, they got me. So yeah, the idea that he can be in on something and be a part of a cool secret group. It's like, you know, the Japanese reading the protocols and trying to be allies, trying to be phyllisemitic. They're like, damn, these people are good at organizing themselves. Yeah, get on their good side.
Starting point is 01:10:30 Yeah, combined with the, like the email that I read earlier. I mean, you kind of get to see that his kind of like, ha ha ha, ha, ha, ha, kind of approach to it, even when he's dealing with right-wing people who he knows are anti-Semitic. But since everybody's at the table and they're all part of the same class and they're all part of the same power structure, it's like, yeah, sometimes it's a mix of people, sometimes it's Jewish people, like, it doesn't matter because we're all laughing. We're all laughing at the table about, you know, that it's kind of true. Yeah. It's a good example of the general relation between, like, I think, like, rich, wealthy, right-wing Jews in America and, like,
Starting point is 01:11:01 just the evangelical right? It's like, yeah, they're all anti-Semitic, but like, ha-ha, it's kind of fine right now. Yeah. So are we when it comes to people who are educated at New York schools? Yeah. Some of the documents also reveal some more information about Epstein's gaming habits. I mean, he wasn't just involved in, you know, micro-transactions. In 2010, Jeffrey Epstein created a Battlenet account and activated a free trial of World of Warcraft.
Starting point is 01:11:26 So if you played World of Warcraft in 2010, you may have gone on a raid with Jeffrey Epstein. He was like, I want to see if I can like meet fucking more girls here in traffic. He's like maybe this is an untapped resource. No, Jeffrey Epstein had like two accounts. One of them is like level 18 and the other ones his attempt at a different class that got to level three and he got bored. Uh-oh. This kind of sounds like my gaming habits. In December of 2013, then email shows that Epstein was banned from Xbox.
Starting point is 01:11:56 live due to harassment threats and abuse of other players due to not providing Bill Gates with the cream for his penis. I like the idea that he was the only one on Xbox. Like, who's actually telling the truth when he was like, I know the CEO. I'm going to fucking get you ban, bro. Yeah, it's probably true. I looked up like what was the most popular like multiplayer shooter in 2013 and it was Call of Duty ghosts.
Starting point is 01:12:22 So very possible. That's what he was playing. Now, the problem is that he couldn't, he couldn't threaten. I'm going to fuck your mother. You have to say I'd fuck your sister. Oh, damn. Ice cold. So, I mean, I think the contents of these documents, they are, they obviously don't tell everything
Starting point is 01:12:41 that was going on. There's so, so much. I feel so frustrated. But they're still pretty scandalous. But believe it or not, people are still, they're still trying to do like PizzaGate with them. So some people made hay out of the fact that pizza, according to the search function of the FBI website,
Starting point is 01:12:56 in the DOJ files 909 times, but like mostly is stuff like in appropriate context, like, let's grab pizza, stuff like that. Yeah, they don't need a code. They can talk about raping children openly. They don't need the code words. And when they do use them, they seem to be completely ad hoc. Like someone's like,
Starting point is 01:13:14 uh, I'm sending you fresh muffins. Uh, do you have my two steaks on the island? So it's like, if you had found the code, then why are they still using a bunch of other code? Like,
Starting point is 01:13:23 that doesn't seem to be this idea of like a kind of agreed upon. code. As we know, like, goes back to a joke on, like, 4chan about the word C and P. Like, Captain Picard, cheese pizza, child porn, etc. I think people just want to bake. Again, where it's like, what are you discovering that I've seen fucked kids? Like, we already, it's all out there. You don't need to bake anything. Searching for pizza and, like, right above and right below the mention of pizza that you're, like, cutting out and quoting without any context, it just says, like, are you bringing the child for me to have sex with? And just for fun, I ran searches of other foods. And, and the ones that I searched didn't get mentioned 909 times or anything close to it.
Starting point is 01:14:03 Now, the word banana was mentioned over 300 times, but a lot of those were like ad emails that were coming to Jeffrey from Banana Republic, so nothing really to dive into there. But the pizza stuff. I really encourage you to read the things behind me, take a look at the people who were saying these things, and just tell me what you think. Do you think these 909 mentions of pizza were totally innocent?
Starting point is 01:14:29 You know, you are so Q&ON right now. PizzaGate is not real. I really do want to hear your opinion on it. This took a lot of time reading through all of this. And I haven't even gotten through all 909 because that's going to take a while. And I just started this this morning. Guys and gals, I think the liberals are going to speed run Q&ONON. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:50 Oh, that lady seemed to actually be a Q&N believer. Yeah. The quality. of vetting on threads. Now, blue sky seems a little bit better, but I didn't know so many people were on threads. And the vetting of the information on there is like, it doesn't seem like there are any news people,
Starting point is 01:15:08 like any journalists. It just kind of seems like it's people just sharing other people's opinions as news. Yeah. The community vetting is just like the local insane person. There's not even like a community in the way that there was a community like even five or six years ago on these sites. Oh, yeah. And like within a week of it getting taken over, you have like big Palestinian activists just having their accounts fucking disappeared even though they had like millions of followers and stuff. So, you know, I think we all know what's happening here. Crackdown. Yeah. And those like in the wake of this, I saw a lot of comments. Like, oh, well, yeah, now these emails, they've proven like, like bannons behind QAnon. It's like, where the fuck are you getting this?
Starting point is 01:15:45 Yeah, there's a lot of claims going on. And it's a lot of bullshit just being resurfaced. Like old videos, like old Pizza Gate stuff. It's all getting mixed up in the big. churn of garbage. The frustrating thing is it doesn't even like all those revelations don't actually help you fight power in any way. It's like you still it's like cats out the bag. They're all fucking pedophiles. We know this objectively. You don't need to bake about it. But it's just like I think everyone is Q&on now because like we realize that this is the success with Q&on made people realize that like they don't actually have to be beholden to the truth. You just say things that feel good to your side. And like that is especially manifested now. That was always the case among like online right spaces. But now like even the live live and left spaces.
Starting point is 01:16:23 The Tyler Robinson stuff, the fact that people still think he's a Pepe, like Nick Fuentes guy. Because it's like, well, it sucks that he's not a Pepe for McFentas guy. So like, he just is. And that's just the, it's like nothing, the truth doesn't matter in these spaces anymore. It's an, it's an info war. Everyone is Alex Jones. Like all information is completely tactical, including the information that you believe. Except that Alex Jones is now like a pro pedophile.
Starting point is 01:16:48 He's like, we love the black helicopters. We love the unmarked vans. We love the black. Alex Jones, yeah. He's pivoted to basically the official regime conspiracist, which is incredible. Awesome, dude. Little clown, brought to heel.
Starting point is 01:17:01 That is like a market for like a right wing, like a 2003 Alex Jones right now would be going crazy. He just didn't realize which side of the information war he would end up on. Yeah. But yeah, yeah, boy, I think this is really, this email cache, I feel like is really going to be a source of, you know, just speculation and derangement for the rest of the year. because it is a lot, a lot of documents.
Starting point is 01:17:26 And again, again, it reveals a lot more, but not everything. And God, God, it's just so agonizing that we don't know everything. So we are going to be, you know, people are going to be pouring through these three and a half million documents are for the next, yeah, for the years to come, I bet. Yeah. I guess ask yourself, like, what do these people have in common? The Dalai Lama, Bobby Kotik, Ehud Barak, you know. Like, what do all these people have in common? And surprise, it's not going to be along gender or even national lines.
Starting point is 01:17:59 These are powerful, rich people that are part of the upper class that rule us. And it's a free for all, folks. I, for one, volunteer my adrenochrome first, take it. Yeah, it's not the freshest. But you know what? It has a certain musk. It's been aged in a, in a cask. The drudabille.
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Starting point is 01:19:06 Yeah, I have a Twitch stream, Twitch.tv slash Levagar, and also a newsletter, navagar.com. Folks, what are you waiting for? Check them out. Until next week, I guess. Until the next two million documents are dumped. May the deep dish, oh, may that deep dish bless you and keep you. Oh, big time.
Starting point is 01:19:26 Oh, I hope it's blessing. Blessing you and keeping you real close right now, folks. Times are tough. Don't lose hope. I came in, I was birthed into this episode with a scream. I leave with a scream. We have auto-keyed content based on your preferences. The other tech companies are trying to build artificial intelligence.
Starting point is 01:19:55 The strangest thing that they've found, one of the strangest things, is that the systems that they design, this artificial intelligence was a lot of people have heard about, is they design a bunch of systems that are called neural nets. The terms simply taken out of brain work, neurons in the brain, nets because they actually look like a net. They put in some inputs. The computers work, spit out an answer, Sounds normal to you. It's because you're thinking about that calculator you had in 1976 on your desk. When you ask the person who designed the system, how did it come to that answer? How did your neural net? Can you show me the calculations? They say, no. We don't know. We don't know how the thing we designed actually came up with that answer. That's pretty strange.
Starting point is 01:20:53 They take the same neural net now and they put it in front of a video game. No learning, nothing. To the computer they say, sit in front of your video game and learn how to play. It seems the computer learns better than any human in history, faster than any human history, beats any human in history, but when you ask the designer how did it do it, no one knows. It just did it. So that's the first little touch of things that
Starting point is 01:21:25 that we already have gotten to a place where we don't understand it and we build it.

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