¿Qué Haría Jesús? - RETIRO DE MES - Abril 2025 - "El valor del sufrimiento"

Episode Date: April 5, 2025

Predicador: P. Jorge Obregón, LC. Este mes de abril viviremos la semana cumbre del año: la Semana Santa. Una semana en donde parece que la redención y salvación tiene un ingrediente especial: el dolor. En este retiro hablaremos sobre el sentido salvífico del dolor en nuestras vidas.Recuerda compartirlo a quien creas que le pueda ser de ayuda. ¡Dios te bendiga!

Very good days or good good nights or very good times. Dear friend and my today, my, the Father Jorge, to come

you, in this April, in this Semana Santa, in this ultimate part of the Quarism, with this

retiro, that we're we're going to do a little oration in the name of the

father and of the God and the Spirit Santo. Amen. We're to take

us a moment to make us conscious of that the Spirit Santo always is trying to help us. Ben,

Spirit, Santo, Ben Spiritu of God, we invocamous. We want to today, we're going to

that we want to the value of the suffering for what me serve the

suffering all. All we we pass us for suffering Be in Spiritu and auxiliar our almas, purifica our

heartiness, augusta our mirad. We need today that we're to comepani's to obtain, to your grace, the benefit spiritual for our souls, be what that we're going,

if we're going, if we're in a tap of remanso, prepare us for the difficulty and if we're in a time of difficulty, to know to get it with

serenity. We're, we're going to start this retiro, and for this I'm to introduce

with something that's something that I'm going to see that I have an friend intimate,

a grand friend that was I was I'm in a time and I'm saying and

many times one says, you're to call to to say, and you

occupies, no you're not the time. But in this occasion,

something, I'm said, devuel the call, I'm just the

time when when I know when I know I want to I'm really

really very very bit and so so say,

or pardon me the word, but with the with the with the

back about spiritually about, with some some some

some with a maybe a maybe a a type of

stress propia of someone that is a family that has that has

to realize and that he is he's he really

he he he has many many when we we

we we we just we just in all the details, all us seems obscure, negative, difficult. And, and when he,

well, one immediately says, to see, a very, there's a whole, I only have

responses, for so to say, intellectual, or of experience, but I need to that the Spirit

Santo over here. I need that he me help to record something that for experience,

I've had been to learn and that I mention in my book, the dolor the color it's a couple

of years with the Yelie Perez Negron and that's in Amazon and that has brought a lot because it's

a book inspired in John Pablo 2 in a card apostolica that's called the

the Dolor Salbifico. Well, the fact is that this this

this amy after after all the people and the difficulties that I

had been the typical questions that someone suffering has he

where is God why not does something? If I am a good

papa I don't want to my children, because God that is the

good not does the thing? No, why not my situation? Why not

it's not it's a question? And then the pain, I think is something

that's something that's a nobody indifference. So, I see, I feel that I'm

we're, or we we're playing with him. The pain not doesn't a half, for so

to say to say. And I remember, I was a time I lived in Bogotah,

there had a sacedote with that I was a very fervoros that we was a

Eucharistia. He was a much, no? And he took us the but he

he's he's he's a see a be the eucharistia what is

the the euchrestia is something something that that someone has

that is Jesus that he is that he he

he he he he he he he and he

and you and we is the center of christianism is that

we're to we're to And no there's doubt that it's really a

way specialism in the Semana Santa that that's that's no there's

no there friend and a friend and if the grain of the grain of

the and it's we can do you for more difficult that this doctrine

no suen you and you know we know we know we know

that when when when John Pablo II was elected Papa in that lehano 1997 in the

month of October, one of the first actions that he realized was to go to

the hospital Gemeli in the he then he then he went a much

time with his different surgeries operations and certain and

certain and he's he a power that no we can't let us the despondice

the the door what we're doing with the papa he said the papa he says for favor

I'm going to give you offercans your and the papa be a the papa

for the papa well well with with the that I said that the

misis a Eucharistia, pardon, that the life is an Eucharistia, the world is an Eucharistia.

Fifacte how all mother does and she's a little, moire to his comodied

to his good-to- a, his, a new, a new, a so the

little, the child, the child, the father that is out, and he has a

life for his children, for her, how a plant and then a

existence for that other animal, then he has a coma and have a animal is eaten by

another and so there's a catena alimentic and what this said, this sacerote said,

it's very certain, not like the, also in the not in the naturalness

and will be to be to the natural and you pass to the

life to the life to the life to the So, the life has something mysterious, there in the camp of the

pain of the dolor. So, if you and I, dear, my, my, no, we're going to ask how, how I get to the life? For the middle of the murder. How I do you

the encounter to the suffering? Well, doing a retire like the day. Let's ask us this question. How we

we do we do we do we're in the dole? Recurda you an occasion an occasion of an issue a matter of

a matter of a problem it could have been a bit of a a school, a university,

a job, a job, a deception of an amistat but you what is what Well, the person,

all his panorama is nebula, it's put the nubes and it can't see a

never a and it and it's a person, in English in English says,

I have a heavy heart. I have a heavy heart. A a heart. A person

that's a heart that's a person that's one of many many sentiments,

yeah a great depression, an anxiety, an stress, a

a a a soledad a one when one is a

bad that all the world is the thing and that the the

one is the only the only the and the

and the suffering exists of many style is

the the pain that it that we know

we can sometimes some some an accident that

we have we've there's the the pain moral, the

pain, then something we're not a bad, the dolor of that someone

more, is that is being by some people, and I think, and I

think I want to talk of a third that is the the

heart and the heart, the most great of all, and that the

other anterior to the dolor and the the dolor and the pain of the heart of

the heart of the life that's a very human very human

the suffering is essential to the natural natural that

was that is that is a feeling that intuition

that something that something that not that not

this not should look like the the Dolor

was a sign of that there a good life that we're going right we're here in

a valley of the light of a valley and a idea to hear't to this

document that I think that I don't that's called Salbifich Dolores

or the Doloris or the Dolor Salivico says the this

these raises transcendent of all are are, in the

and the second, in the life. In effect, these are the base

of the peridid of the life eternal. The mission of the

unigentito, or Jesus, consists in to be the sincer

the and the since the sinned with the self

the and the death with the resurrection. It's

a experience human common, that we suffer more when, so we're more for the

than what we we gocichamos for the triumphs. I mean, never can't be in a book very good of Andre Agassie

that's called Open, over his life, this grand tenist North American that he said,

buff, I, I, I'm a little, I'm I'm a but I

suffer more. the the that's what I gozo the

the what I'm what has the the pain that is so

so and the and the the life here we have we have we

we but then then then we we're going to

another so well so so so so Amigo and amiga, we

we've been the first lucecita of an author of the New Testament, the famous San Pablo,

that we know, of the significate of the the pain. Because the

the the thing is as a product of the discovery of the

significant of the significant. We're a little, we're a

pass. The DOLOR and the love are two cars of the same money. Fickate

the Eucharistia which is the the great that God has made to the human

or so your body is the is a and it's love. For

the the Dorm the cross is the most great

of love that someone has been for for someone more and is the door

that we're the door that's the travesan vertical and the travesan horizontal in where

he says I, the travestone horizontal us says I've I've been to do

one like you to do one of you and then then then with

the travesane vertical to get those to the father, like an elevator. So,

we'll a little the suffering and Christ what have in the document of John Pablo

says that Christ has has abjured the suffering to the man.

So, but one says, but I don't know, I don't know, so the suffering

you, there's in the world of all the world says that he can

avoid it. And, and in the doctrine of Christianism, is for the cross

that we are saved. Sin suffering no there no, there's for

so he's here that Christ has, for so has been has been an

a treasure to share not that is the the the Lord,

the is a certain so Christ that that he has

that his suffer and so St. Paul us

said to you and me you, you know, I'm to make a little,

to come in your carne, that are in your sufferments that you

have to you know, when I that I said, I'm a

friend, I, I, I, it's like if Christ is like that the

God, to take to our sovriment human the so sosobra,

the soled, the that we're going and then I'm sub he to the sky. And then I

can't say my dolor now is in van because was taken to the world. So, he's got my

to the world. And then now my dolor, even though my don't know

has done has a how? How many dollars that's? How many dollars?

No. Much more. It has a value eternal because Christ used the a dolor,

how the money to to buy us the world. In the church, in the

church, the suffering always has had been a value very special. For it's

the martyrs. How do we say the the blood of the

people? Count to us impressionan the Santa Ines the

Santa Juan of Arco, those who suffered in the war

civil Spanish, the those were in Mexico in

in the persecution Christa, in Albania, in Orient Medi, in Asia, tantos and many, Sam Maximiliano Colbe, martyrs, that they're given their life and when they're their life, when there's suffering, the church is enceneering. When there's a lot,

it's enceneed the heart of the church and it's a value very great to the suffering. there an author American Mary Healy

I'm here reading of the English but you go to

say she how how so how so do you

do this what's people in camille in hospitals

in orphanatory in in places of asylos of

anci and simply in to want his and his soledate

even permittying that let us give us margues your character if

just so they were the potential of the suffering and what it has to empower

to the church and the mission of the church to bring the

light of the world says and many many sometimes

it does all this so because nobody has

said nothing because nobody has about that musculos of intercession

that they have a through the problem. I'm my

my my I'm in this moment to introduce a moment of silence

for that we get in the dolor of this moment

in our life even even that there something that

there certainly we have we're to let a

moment of silence to then then then then I'll go to invite to Jesus to this moment, to this space, here and now.

Jesus, ben and me in my the pain. We've been a little, amigo and amiga,

of this phenomenon of the dollar like a one- like two cars of one a same money,

as a money of a money of the life How I transform that donor? I see, what I do with him? I'm

going to tell the story of a grand woman Colombian. A grand woman that has a

heart of an woman that has a faith inquebrantable and that has some

years I don't if four or five well Well, he passed to that

no mother would be that would be a never and it's that your his

his his his coming of a return in a carterter

very simosa no I know the details but chocated

on a bus and were the four that were

in this car in their is his son. I'm put to

see to see a a person and then I'm I'm a person I'm

the grace that I received in your and could talk about her and to give

a testimony and she she was that with a faith inkebrantable but with

a don't incontenible was giving her power to his

to his his to her completely destrozzed of the heart of

and figgate that in an interview that we gave a group of

a woman she said a she said, he said oh yeah

and you you you're you to do you to do to

what she she responded to to she said no

no no no I no I'm never but then

then he said but then he gave all those he said but with Maria with the

virgin if I took a conversation he said he did you

did you in me mother that you did you share that

that you suffered in the cross when you did

to your his his I did you have

put your dear and your friend, and a friend, you,

to surprise, you, you're you're this response to her.

When she, then the woman she's no. No. More well,

with a heart of the time of a mountain she was

capable of that that that that that that

that she not said, why God not, how me

does this, me I'm a child and me let's he's but she

parted the acceptation of the God and the situation of the acceptance of God

said, and this for what? Not for what, but for what?

Dear my and here is where I want to give to give to

two the how transform the I know I'm

in the number one. First form that to me have functioned. And if you are you guys, I see

here Jesus, I can't talk to this way, of this first form that is a form very

centered in the person of Christ. The first way is is know that that never

we're only the that Christ when we when we don't know why God.

Why? Because God. puddien to have us made us he's made on a cross the grand response to

that he he not he was he was he was the Emmanuel the Jesus with us

and then when you you can't you can't you you know or if you are you

are so you're you tell you to you say you you I know that you are

what were for us. His love is eternal, universal, and he feels his pain. There is a grandissima difference between suffering only and suffering accompanied. You no can't suffer anything,

dear friend and your friend, without that Jesus not know something about it. He knows perfectly what you are what you are or what has passed.

He quisso He said to When you're Devil, it's because you're because I stay with

you. And one of the one of the co-autora Nalleli and you we give,

in our book, the The dolor is it's it's in the

paines because if the gran of the grino of the not can

do do do much fruit. This this what is

Jesus in Juan 12 23. So, so, dear

my and that is the first good the first of the

what I'm doing, what I'm doing what I'm because Christ want to you

to you with this woman. And the second form of

suffering is forget to you mind part of the

suffer that we have is for our narcissism

of the center of the universe, the center of all the donors, put your suffering to the service of others. Sal to serve.

Busca someone that's with a pain and be and put your your to the

service of that the pain with the dolor. Cura the pain with

your love that is a or with your that is a more

sal see What about what says the Papa Francisco in his document, Carta apostolic, about San Jose, says, An amor possessive ultimately is become dangerous, apprisiona, restringed,

and he's a woman. God am-a-lawed a humanity with amor casto, he said, and we just of we're doing and we're and we're

in front of him. Because the logic of the logic of the logic of the

liberty, to put our our liberty to service of others. And when one

is to serve to others, the manner magic one starts

to change and to get that one has that one has

is one resurgient and out of the waters movedises, of the arenas movedisas, justly because he has put to help us others. And from the point of the point of view, even psychological,

neurologic, there's a great quantity of effects of the others in the Cerebro. You'll hear of those.

When one person and begins to have acts of of care of care of his cerebral

experiment a grand a grand premium biochemical so increment the oxytocin

that is the hormone of the union promue sentiments of

connection of empathy reduce the stress and the

anxiety the So, it's incrementa dopamine. Of a sudden to have

feelings of pleasure, of motivation, refuerza the comportment in pro of the other,

the pro-social if you want to the serotonin and the endorphines a lot of things

that are because we put them to serve. Amigo and amyg we're getting to

the final of this this simple but profound retiro over the and we have said

that for you to get the love for I to you get to

have to know that the the pain to the thing that was

given a a force special and and there we

we we how is how it transform the the one, the sentiento a Jesus very close and saying, like he said to this woman, what ised in me to

are just being cost-a-horreys. And second, is put your suffering to the service of the other. No is the same.

No is the same in absolute. Suffre only than sufferer accompanied and my

and my this caressma, in these feches that we are after the Semana

Santa, you imagine you the potency with that you would

if you if you If you supieras, if you supieres, offer to God your sufferments.

If you knew how us would be that the pain is an opportunity enormous of the

problem, to make us for that there's more God and less I, to give us to a

God to a way more santa, to be also conscious of the many

doors that many people in this world suffer constantly

We're going to to terminate this retiro with an oration to Jesus and a Maria, that are the champions of the suffering

and that she is the mother dolorosa and he is the sacred cross-pasado. I'm Jesus and Mary

you're you're the sacred and the Immaculado Corraceon of Mary you're

those those those those are those more, they've been known and that sufferer in that passion

during that Jueve Saint, but especially that is Viernes Santo, and in the Espera Dolorosa of Maria in Sabbath Santo, and a through this

suffering, we've to all of us the peace of the life, the triumphs eternal, the acceder to the Patriot Terre, to

the Patriot to the Patriot Final. To the grand banquette of the Bodas of the Cordero, as we're in the book of the Apocalypse, we ask us that

to those that are doing this retiro us helpen to find balsam. We're doing to not to hogarn us in the dolor but looker to

Emmanuel and to say, no I'm but here me you, at the the foot. No, I don't

but I'm very that's a great question to be what

kind of reaction I'm in this situation. What me is piding

the life? How I want to respond to this problem

that me is doing this moment the life that

you you are you circumstance. And we'll give us this to the heart of Jesus and Maria and

we'd helpen us to us, to be able to carry our cross with love, for with it to have the victory

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