Queen Havoc and Her Murder Cult - Episode 6: House of Cards

Episode Date: June 27, 2023

While laying low, the group builds an armory and gains a new member, who brings them drugs … and more victims. Zak Valentine’s career choices place the cult in dire straits. Desperate and broke, ...the members of Electus per Deus emerge from their safe haven to kill again – this time, for money. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:57 The West Rang Goldmine looms in the distance over Krugerstorp. A fine dust blows from the hill into the city. Stark trees, dead grass, dusty gutters line the gray streets as Ben offered us as many insights, like this one about the state of the police force. So, eventually there is about 17,000 cops in the whole of South Africa policing 16 million people. So how the hell do you think you're going to ever, ever in your life? Control crime and get your hand over crime.
Starting point is 00:02:34 It will never happen. The South African Police Department and judicial system are often so overwhelmed that unsolved cases go cold and then fall by the wayside. Before you can start actually investigating the case, decently you've got a next murder case and you've got a next eye-jacking case and you've got an ex-robotic case and you continue to do the job. So, yeah, this is mass-at-Africa, you know, it's the wild west.
Starting point is 00:03:04 This is one of the reasons EPD would continue to evade justice It's the wild twist. The green suburban hills with well manicured lawns and quiet avenues that overlook the city. Ben set the stage for the next tragedy. His weary words spilled out as he drove. The pain in his voice was unexpected and disarming. This country is, you know, we in a tunnel and there's a big light outside and everybody think that light is the sun. That light is not the sun, that light is a train coming with a huge speed and something really bad is going to happen in the near future. It can't go on like this. Somewhere along the line things must change. But before things need to change, things need to be at the worst. From School of Humans and Ihar Podcasts,
Starting point is 00:04:12 this is Queen Havoc and her murder cult. I'm your host, Kurt Kupichek. Episode 6, House of Cards. 6 House of Cards. The staggering amount of incompetence by law enforcement was already weighing heavy on Su-Zet when she was brought on in 2012. It was a capital legal system and it just traded me and you give for your own but you're not receiving half of that back. Su-Zet did give her all. For over 20 years, she served her country on the force.
Starting point is 00:04:51 I gave my life. I even saved my two kids aside to do what was in my blood. And then there was the Cecilia Stein case. Detective Susette could see that Mikaela's murder was directly tied to the case number debacle that allowed Miranda to walk. When he came in court, Miranda couldn't be placed in the sky because this guy is nice side, but she can't be connected to this guy, so later go. And I later go. That is what happened. Detective Susette was fed up. The community was already racked with grief and terrorized
Starting point is 00:05:28 by the murders. And now, she feared for her own family, as her then 16-year-old daughter Shane remembers. She was so stressed and so worried about me and my brother and our safety that we could barely go somewhere. And we respected my mom because at the time we did not know exactly how dangerous those people were. So my mom just showed us pictures of how they look like and if we see them in public, just go a different direction.
Starting point is 00:05:58 But the final blow arrived when Detective Su-Zet confronted Captain Venvick about the case number mix mixup. Captain Venvick maintained that he wasn't responsible and that he was following orders. One's given to him by Colonel Diagre. When I found him to ask him what the hell happened, no sorry, but the EM Diagre just said, listen, I'm done.
Starting point is 00:06:21 I'm done helping, I'm done assisting. I am withdrawing." Just following orders, just doesn't cut it. Says journalist Yana Marx. I mean, as a basic head of office, he had to make certain calls, not just say Yana, I mean, to what Diage is saying. In other words, VanVic was the lead officer and shouldn't have been just a yes-man to Diage. In other words, Venvik was the lead officer and shouldn't have been just a yes-man to the auger. This issue, with the wrong case number, plus Venvik being a willing pawn to curdle the auger, and then the state's attorney refusing to grant Susette a rest warrants for the other
Starting point is 00:06:57 members of Scylias gang, it was all too much for Detective Susette. Plus her children's lives were now at risk too. The strain became more than Detective Susette could bear. It was like everything weeks that I left the police. It just broke me, and I just decided that I had enough. After more than two decades of dedicated work, Detective Susette canode say, quit the force altogether. And shockingly, so did Venvik, who was still tracking the progress of the investigation.
Starting point is 00:07:29 I was devastated because I knew that Miranda Stein, she was somehow involved, but yeah, unfortunately, our judicial system works in such a manner that the prosecutor decides not to place the matter, then they don't place it, so basically back to square one. Like I said, I was devastated and I actually designed from the police a couple of months later. It's worth noting that while Detective Suzette Kanote was on the case, murders fitting
Starting point is 00:07:54 the pattern of the EPD killing spree, ground to a halt. Detective Ben Boison suspects that her focus on the group had a lot to do with that. They know if they're going to do something now, the spotlight is on them. And that's why they stopped with the killings and stuff. So the killing ceased in 2012, and the case against Rhea Grunovold went cold. She subsequently left town to start a new life. Over the course of a single year, Launforcemen let the same murderer walk twice and lost one of their most loyal investigators. Electus Perdeus laid low from early 2013 to late 2015, but Cecilia kept them busy.
Starting point is 00:08:37 They continued to do her bidding while she reminded them all about the cost of doubt. Here's journalist Muritska Kotser. Leroy told me straight up that Mikhaila's murder was always the example and it was thrown in his face, you know, like to say that the same can happen to you. And I think the thing that freaked him out the most was for four years they basically got away with her murder. Also, during this period, Marin DeGotta knew Job as a 10th grade English teacher. The second rate, Hammer-Wielding Killer, was considered one of her school's best educators, continuing to balance her two personas.
Starting point is 00:09:19 Her classroom was a repurposed home economics room. In the old days, it was a classroom where they teach women to cook and to do nothing and all that kind of stuff. It still boasted storage closets filled with ovens and old kitchen appliances, but Miranda made the class from her own with religious posters and Bible verses on the wall. When you go inside, they will say she's the biggest Christian on earth. Back home at Cassana Flats, LaRouan's act stockpiled weapons, building up the hidden arsenal for EPD. The group had moved beyond knives and hammers.
Starting point is 00:09:57 They'd now graduated to firearms purchased illegally from a brothel owner Cecilia knew. It was owned by a man and his wife and the man passed away. And then the widow gave them the firearms, revolvers, pistols, automatic weapons, and then Zakwa's the one that went to pick it up. He fetched the weapons. Leroux was put in charge of creating and maintaining the hiding places for this rookie armory. Under Cecilia's orders, each member of EPD chose their favorite gun. They were to name it. Miranda called her pistol, Charlie, after Charles Manson himself.
Starting point is 00:10:39 While the killings may have stopped, EPD's collective goal to be gods, or rather Cecilia's warriors, had not changed. may have stopped EPD's collective goal to be gods or rather Cecilia's warriors had not changed. Cecilia had no plans for a peaceful existence. Also, during this period, Zach Valentine left his job at Discovery Life Insurance to strike out as an independent agent, not making nearly as much as he had been. During 2015, the Zack Valentine left Discovery and started his own business and taking money from people. Eventually that money was used by them. There was no money anymore. This presented a major hurdle for EPD to clear. Miranda's teaching salary was not enough to make up for Zack's losses.
Starting point is 00:11:26 This would, essentially, force EPD out of hiding. Marcel was now living with Cecilia full-time, carrying force Cecilia's two young children. Psychologist Rosalyn McNabb advocated for Marcel in court. She painted a picture of what life was like for the high score. She was on all sorts of drugs before, which would have also been aggravating factors in her committing the crimes because that's how she coped. She spaced herself out with the drugs that she took. And there were plenty of drugs around,
Starting point is 00:12:05 especially thanks to a new recruit, the blue-eyed gaunt and weathered John Barnard. When money was tight, Cecilia made some scratch selling bootleg DVDs. And sometimes she would trade them for the street drug, cat. Cat is a highly addictive stimulant, similar to what's commonly known as crystal meth. Through the exchange of bootleg DVDs for cat,
Starting point is 00:12:33 Barnard found himself over time, becoming one of Cecilia's subjects. So Marcel and all the rest could easily detach from their grim reality. Barnard had no idea that he was living among a pack of killers. Like most folks in the Kruger's Dwarp area at the time, Barnard believed that Ria was the murderous mastermind that the cops never managed to pin down.
Starting point is 00:13:01 Their fledgling new member, Luke, hadn't panned out. He was now in protective custody, so there was room and Barnard was certainly a welcome addition to the group. He had steady employment at a printing company. His income helped address EPD's mounting money troubles. Cecilia's thought was thinking about, how are we going to get a lot of money because now we're suffering. John Barnard gradually began supporting Cecilia financially, saving orphans overseas, or
Starting point is 00:13:32 so we thought. He was also suspected to be entwined romantically with Miranda. And in November of 2015, he proved his loyalty to EPD. John Barnard came with the idea that why don't you rob my boss because he's got a big business and he's going to start the team for all, but it was only supposed to be a robbery. Peter and Joan Meyer, a wealthy couple from Kruger's Dorp, owned the printing company where John Barnard worked. Since he was one of their oldest employees, Barnard knew that the couple was planning
Starting point is 00:14:14 on opening a water park in the area, a franchise, and they had been saving for some time. The Mayas is very, very rich. Don Barnard told Cecilia that you know that they are hiding millions of rents in the vault. Janemarks confirmed Barnard as the initiator as well. He introduced the mayor as victims, first as the for robbery because he was under the impression that they kept millions hidden in his safe in cash. Cecilia's pupils turned to dollar signs, and she began to delegate responsibilities to her sheep. The worst part about this narcissistic scheme, the saddest thing,
Starting point is 00:15:00 was that Cecilia planned to manipulate the Myerzone children to become involved, guaranteeing access to the couple. Lieutenant Colonel Kristell Boison had an interesting take on how Cecilia brought out the worst sides of her followers. When we spoke with her, she quoted a saying that's often attributed to the indigenous Cherokee people of North America. There's an Indian proverb that say, all of us has two moves in us, a good wolf and a bad wolf, and whichever one you feed takes over. I suffered from acne into my 30s.
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Starting point is 00:17:37 Peter and Joan Meyer trusted John Barnard. They practically helped raise him. Peter brought him in when he was still a child and he was also a drug addict and he assisted him, he fired him a few times but eventually took him back because he felt for him and he was good in his work. So in the plot to rob the Myers, Thane was an easy mark. I think because his parents wanted to disown him because of his drag abuse, he wanted money.
Starting point is 00:18:12 Thane, of course, never suspected that the people he was dealing with were desperate and greedy killers. It was only supposed to rob his parents and he gave them a layout of the house, so that was actually, in my view, a robbery that went wrong. On November 19th, 2015, Peter Meyer receives a phone call. The woman on the line is Miranda, but she identifies herself as Gloria,
Starting point is 00:18:42 a representative from the Department of Trade and Industry. She says the department is interested in helping to finance their proposed Water Park project. Peter is suspicious. For one, he has not yet filed government paperwork to start the franchise. And two, the only person who knows about his plans to do so is his long-time employee, John Barnard. Lured by an investment offer, Peter disregards his gut feeling that something might be off and agrees to meet. Zach creates counterfeit documents, good ones, on official government letterhead.
Starting point is 00:19:25 There are then three false starts before these bumbling criminals can follow through on the robbery. First, LaRou, while preparing the guns for the robbery, accidentally shoots himself with a 22 revolver and is rushed to the ER. We're into calls and reschedules with the Myers. On their next attempt, for reasons we can only guess at, Miranda, Zach, and Marcel show up two hours early for their appointment. Peter is not yet home from work
Starting point is 00:19:57 and Joan asks them to return later. When they come back at the appointed time, the Myers are in the middle of dinner. When they come back at the appointed time, the mires are in the middle of dinner. Jennifer and I stand outside the mire's grandiose home with detective Ben Boison. It's an affluent area. Perched on a hillside, the house looks like an Italian villa. The towering 10-foot gate surrounding it is ornate and above it's stone encasing is electrified wire. When they came here on false
Starting point is 00:20:31 pretendants that they are working for the government and they are prepared to assist them with extra money to build that water premises. You open for them. During this very strange second attempt the murder squad comes into the This? You open for them. During this very strange second attempt, the murder squad comes into the dining room and sort of just stands there awkwardly, while the Myers dig into stake in potatoes. Miranda is clad in rhinestone jewelry, and the most business casual outfit she could find, hoping to cover her many lurking tattoos. She launches into her investment pitch.
Starting point is 00:21:08 Somehow it works. Before they depart, Miranda insists that they set one final meeting to get the official paperwork signed. On Friday, November 28th, 2015, a day earlier than they'd agreed to meet, Miranda, Zach, and Marcel show up again, hoping to take them by surprise. And again, Peter is not home. Over the building's intercom, the Myers-Son Nicholas says he'll call his father. Nicholas reports back that Peter is busy
Starting point is 00:21:45 and the appointment is supposed to be the following day. The amateur assassins are really hitting it out of the park. Further peaking, Peter's suspicions. He didn't trust him. So he actually found one of these business friends and said, you need to come to my premises and meeting these people tonight at a certain time. This coworker and friend, whose name is Jason, agrees to come over, but then he remembers
Starting point is 00:22:11 that his kids have a school recital that evening. So Jason tells his boss he'll do everything he can to make it to the meeting, best case he'll most likely arrive late. That night, Nicholas gets a rare call from his brother, Thane, asking him to meet for drinks, to catch up. Nicholas jumps at the chance to see his kin. Shortly before 7pm that Saturday, a silver BMW pulls up outside the Myers home. A silver BMW pulls up outside the Myers home. Inside the car are Zach, Miranda, and Marcel. LaRue stays home.
Starting point is 00:22:49 He's still healing from shooting himself in the groin. His sister Marcel goes in his place. She's a senior in high school now. That special time when most kids that age are dreaming of their future, not climbing into a murder wagon. Miranda, Zach, and Marcel open the car doors. They step out.
Starting point is 00:23:11 Guns concealed under the clothes. Peter and Joan are both home and welcome them in. As they make small talk, Peter Meyer mentions that his colleague will be joining them in about 10 minutes. Adrenaline kicks in. Merinda turns red and locks eyes with Zach. And unspoken agreement. It's now or never. Marona took out the fire on and pointed him and then Marcel put the cargo ties on them.
Starting point is 00:23:45 The now-Ash and couple is seated on the floor. They're hands and feet bound. And then they're ostin' with the manies. And then the guys said, but they still have money. The money is not in my house. I only got $700 bucks on him. Zack barks in their faces. He demands the keys to their safe.
Starting point is 00:24:03 Peter Meyer pleads with Zach, repeats the truth. They don't keep money at home. The couple is left alone with Zach, as Miranda and Marcel go hunting for a safe that Barnard told them about. Scared for their lives, Peter talks a mile a minute. His chatter only fuels Zach's fury. Peter and Joan begs Zach to have mercy, repeating over and over again that they have no money in their home. Eventually, there's nothing more to say. Silence hangs in the air as the couple waits for Morin and Marcel to return.
Starting point is 00:24:48 The two come back empty handed. They can't find a safe. That's bad news for the Myers. Peter offers them what little cash he has on hand in his wallet. It's not much. So you gave him the seven and a trance and Zog didn't become beserk and he started stabbing them both. The Paltry Sum infuriates Sack.
Starting point is 00:25:11 The Aspen Stalk beside the Psalm 23. The Lord is my shepherd and I shall not want. He makes me lie down in green pastures. He leadeth me beside the still waters. He restores my soul. And then he got really mad. Marcel told us when she testified, Zach, when he was up.
Starting point is 00:25:36 She said they didn't even recognize he was stabbing Joan and stabbing Peter and then off to Peter going back to Joan and they wouldn't know when he was finishing and they had to tell him Listen, you have to finish now because we need to get out of here At the climax of the blood shed the buzzer sounds It's Jason come to attend his boss's investment meeting
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Starting point is 00:27:52 you must come later and then he left. Standing outside the imposing security gate of the Myers home, Jason pulls his phone out and calls his boss Peter to check the story. No answer. Jason calls him again. And again, still no answer. Jason gets back in his car and drives off with no idea, just how close he came to death that night.
Starting point is 00:28:22 Inside, Zack's volcanic iron, frightens even Miranda, which is saying a lot. Then, Zack suddenly freaked out. Now, why would he do that? He went like a possessed person. I got fearful, yes. And they were lying on the floor, ready, cable tied and everything. And he started stabbing them like... Miranda has to yell at Zach to stop.
Starting point is 00:28:48 He finally does. Then he stands up and grabs Peter's wallet before the three of them head out the door. They live only with his wallet. Miranda, Zach and Marcel killed Joan and Peter Meyer for the grand sum of 700 grand, less than a tank of gas for most of us. Cecilia was expecting a much bigger payday. When they came back and said, no, only 700 grand, she was extremely, extremely angry. The fact that Zach killed them, like he did, like this whole outraged thing, angered
Starting point is 00:29:26 a even wall because that was never part of a plan. The killer split up the proceeds of their robbery. It doesn't take long. The plan was to go rob them, and then the robbery became a murder. As the night wears on and the adrenaline leaches away, Zack's mood shifts dramatically. He begs Cecilia for her forgiveness. He swears as allegiance to her over and over.
Starting point is 00:29:54 He let his rage get the better of him. It won't happen again, he promises. The groveling, restores Cecilia's sense of power. To show their loyalty, Cecilia makes her followers renew their vows to her and swear a new oath of secrecy. No one must speak of this mistake, ever again. Once again, secure in Cecilia's favor, Zach and Marcel hit up a nearby casino. Try to double their money, they invite John Barnard. He gladly joined into the casino trip afterwards to see if they can win anything.
Starting point is 00:30:38 Neither he nor Zach have any luck on their side. Marcel, however, wins big, bringing home an extra 200 grand. Marcel boasts the Cecilia when she gets home. Cecilia praises Marcel, calls her quote, an exemplar of God's good grace. And then, with her typical confidence, Cecilia announces that a woman she knows, a fellow victim of the satanic church, is suffering from a kidney disease. It just so happens that she needs exactly 200 grand. The dutiful Marcel hands over her winnings to Cecilia. That night, at around 9 pm, Nicholas Meyer and his girlfriend return home from a night
Starting point is 00:31:29 out drinking. They find his parents lying dead in a pool of blood. Nicholas runs to them in horror. His girlfriend was pulling away so he doesn't compromise the crime scene. She convinces him to walk outside where Nicolas phones his brother. When police finally arrive on the scene about an hour later, it doesn't take them long to find solid friends of evidence. The envelope that Marrana brought with her that she was supposed to work for the government, she left the envelope. So when the police came to the crime scene,
Starting point is 00:32:06 they found the envelope and they found a thumbprint on it. Again, it's Miranda's fingerprints. This time, they're on the forged government paperwork left on the Myers coffee table. Would this be what finally doomed them? Or would the police once again match their incompetence? In order to help the police with their investigation, the Myers brothers hire a private detective. He's thorough in his search for the killers, and he quickly hones in on Zack's car.
Starting point is 00:32:36 There's a lot of cameras on the roads, and the private investigator went and he got camera footage of Zack Valentine's vehicle leaving the vicinity. Peter Myers' friend and employee Jason confirms that he spotted a silver BMW in the Myers driveway that night. So eventually they came to Zack and Marinan said, but listen, you were there. Between the fingerprints and the vehicle ID, the cops have enough to bring in Zack and Miranda for questioning.
Starting point is 00:33:06 When confronted, the two killers improvise. And they said, yeah, we were there, but they were other people. They were fighting with other people, and we didn't want to get involved, so we left. But the next day, it was in all the newspapers that they were killed, so why didn't you come to the police? They implicated another couple. So Zack and Miranda had this whole story worked out that they were at the Mayors House, they didn't deny being there, but they said at some
Starting point is 00:33:32 point they left. So they actually just blamed the other couple. The lies kept coming. It was just a fabrication, but they stuck to that story and that was also the story in the statement. And they even gave descriptions of the other couple and the police drew up identicates of this other couple. So the cops began searching in vain for people who didn't even exist.
Starting point is 00:33:54 Still they seized XBMW. The forensics department searches the car, topped the bottom, inside and out, and they find nothing. Not a single hair, nor blood stain of evidence. Miranda must have done one hell of a job cleaning Zack's car of any traces of blood or tissue. The police still had the Meyer's son's Thane and Nicholas in their sights. After finding his parents murdered, and before the police showed up, Nicholas, not knowing if the killers were still in the house, grabbed a screwdriver. When he didn't find anyone, he threw it in the empty pool.
Starting point is 00:34:35 Nicholas threw that screwdriver into the pool, and it looked very suspicious for the police, so that's why they took them in for questioning and polygraphs and all of that. Nicholas was brought in for questioning alongside Miranda and Zach. That's when he made a positive idea, reporting that Zach and Miranda had shown up during dinner one night, claiming to be government officials. Even so, the police didn't have enough to keep any of them in jail. No DNA evidence to connect Zach and Miranda the murders and fingerprints aren't enough for a murder charge. So the four of them, the real criminals and the myer boys, were all released
Starting point is 00:35:16 with the promise that they would be called back in for a polygraph test. One thing to note about this particular and often questioned forensic tool. Polygraph patients at Africa cannot be used in a quarter-floor. But they can narrow the focus of an investigation. If both of them failed the polygraph base, then the police will know that this and now we need to go deeper into this investigation and try to get more information to link them to the murders. Thane and Nicholas are brought in first.
Starting point is 00:35:49 Nerves racked. They don't do so well on the polygraph. So this siblings, they actually failed. So the police remained skeptical about the brother's involvement. The walls were closing in. And Zach was fast becoming a liability. They were going to do a lie detector test and Zach knew he couldn't do the lie detector test because they will see that he killed the guy. Behind on his
Starting point is 00:36:18 car payments, the bank seized the silver BMW he'd been spotted in. Now, with no way to get around independently, no steady income and the police hounding him to come in for a polygraph, Cecilia began to question the man who'd long been her ever loyal piggy bank. On the next episode of Queen Havoc, there was found in a car with a pipe through the exhaust and then the police said, okay, committed suicide. It was really bad. You don't expect somebody to go just to pass away. We actually met Cecilia and the whole group, Zuck and Miranda and all of them and it's only afterwards that I realized that we were being groomed.
Starting point is 00:37:10 It could have been me and you. They were doing regular job showing up for appointment and they were killed. Queen Havek and her murder cult is a production of School of Humans and I Hard Podcasts. Queen Havek is hosted and created by me, Kurt Kubicek, produced and written by Jennifer Tekeene, Julia Kriskao, and Kurt Kubicek. Lead producer is Julia Kriskao. Story editor is Zaryn Burnett.
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