Quick Question with Soren and Daniel - Park Party Boyz

Episode Date: August 26, 2022

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I've got a quick, quick question for you, alright? I wanna hear your thoughts, wanna know what's on your mind I've got a quick, quick question for you, alright? The answer's not important, I'm just glad that we could talk tonight So what's your favourite? Who did you get? What do I be? What's it up with? What do we talk about? I saw a movie, Daniel O'Brien When will I be remembered? Was it out there? Where did all that go? Do we know? Oh, forget it.

I saw a movie, Daniel O'Brien. Two best friends and comedy writers. If there's an answer, they're gonna find it. I think you'll have a great time here. I think you'll great on you. Daniel O'Brien, joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Soren Bui. Soren, put up your dukes. Hey, everybody. It's Soren Bui. I am a writer for American Dad, and I was just thinking how thankful I am that you do these intros so regularly and how good they all are.

Are they all good? They are. I'm just feeling very appreciative at the moment. Good. And now I've got questions about yours. Great. African-American, what was that? Afro-Caribbean dance you were doing for a long time?

That's done. That's done, yeah. You're never going back to that. No, that was like six guys ago. Yeah, I remember, but I just had hopes that maybe there'd be some return to it because it was brief. It was a stint where someone called you brave and then you stopped doing it. Today's episode is sponsored by PayPal Honey. These days, it feels like online shopping is the only shopping we really do.

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Uh, no, I, I took a boxing class and, uh, it's like a cardio boxing thing that I'm using as a good workout and also as a way to work my way up to trying an actual boxing lesson. inspired this, but just something in my brain switched and, uh, everything my body is telling me you should try to, to, you should learn how to box and you should try to box and, and see what that does. See what it does to your own body. Yeah. Well, I have actually a lot of questions about boxing. Maybe you can't answer these yet. Are you hitting a bag at all?

Yeah. Hitting a bag and hitting a mitts. There's no, like, I don't have to, to, I didn't have to punch a person or get punched in my, the one class that I took. And I don't think with this class, you will ever have to spar with another person, but you are punching hands. Okay. Then I think this is great. I have a lot of questions for you. Number one, hitting the bag. Is that painful? Is that super? It seems like it hurts. It hurts a little bit yeah it seems like i don't want to do that like i don't want to give it worse because that bag's gonna it's not going anywhere yeah it's the bigger problem that i'm having with the bag is uh you hit it and it and it moves and like swings around for a while and i know if i'm

boxing with a person they will also likely move but But I don't know if I'm supposed to chase the bag around or if I'm supposed to pause it every time it moves with the power of my fists. Yeah. Well, what you're supposed to do is as it moves, you brace it with one hand and then you start doing a windmill thing with your other hand. And then you punch it. That's right. And you go, oh, every single time. That's how boxing works. Yeah.

I really enjoyed the class. I had a thing that anytime I've ever had a class in anything physical, whether I was learning like yoga, boxing, climbing, anything where someone else would be intimately involved with my body for some kind of clinical thing. It's the same song and dance where they tell me to relax a part of me. And I have to watch them learn that this machine doesn't relax. There's no like, no, no, no. And they're like, no, no loose, make your arms, keep your, keep your elbows like in, but loose. And I'm like, no, no, no, no. I'm here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to, um, move them, uh, unilaterally left and right two inches each as quick as I can to like, if I'm fast enough, they, they look like they're flopping, but no i'm i i have never

been loose a second of my entire life this body carries tension every inch of it every second of every day i can't loosen up i can just like if you want me to loosen my neck i will just sharply and violently point my neck toward the floor and that's it i'm gonna do my best impression of loose but it doesn't, this is, I'm, I'm tightly wound and I don't know why all the time. Yeah.

I, I know circumstances. I can't imagine that ever works for you where they're like, Hey, Hey, you, you guy with your shoulders way up at your ears. Why don't you listen up?

You, how do you not scream at them? You don't know me. Yeah. This is just who I am. This is where they live. Yeah. Just loosen your hips this is the as

loose as they will ever go i'm not a salsa dancer i never will be i've come to terms with that um i have another so also are you when you're doing the hitting the gloves yeah are you doing that cool thing where like you're like pop pop pop and then they they swing at you and you duck under it and then you come back up and you're like pop pop and is that choreographed are you like i know when they're coming for me or is it spontaneous for for me it's choreographed they they they say uh like numbers or punches and ducks so like they could say jab or they could say one and and you have to just like know what the corresponding thing is like one one one two is jab jab and then uh cross the right and three is hook and six is like a uh body shot and so when they're coaching you they'll they could say two two three duck two one two duck

and then you just like have to remember those combinations and do them oh i would which is it's it's very tough i played god of war and there's a lot of that in it where it's like x right now and i'm like i don't know which one okay hold on let's just take there it is there no i missed it okay yeah it's it's very similar to god of war i think i've heard that about boxing this class also had the big ropes I did a bunch of big rope stuff did you carry them around on your shoulders? I did, just like I'm supposed to I wrapped my opponent

with them feet to head you hog tied someone perfect the ropes are fun actually once you understand of like understand what you're supposed to be doing with ropes you're like oh yeah i see why people use these i see why rg3 was using them in that subway commercial all those years ago yeah there's something i'm i'm

ashamed to admit it uh because for some reason i i this this seems like so cave Manny, but there is something very satisfying about a simple, like big dumb looking exercise where I'm just like picking up heavy thing and throwing it on the ground. It may, I certainly see the appeal of people who work out by like just pushing giant tires, like flipping wheels around where it's like, yeah, I kind of like,

I don't know. It's, I don't know if it activates some kind of caveman thing where it's like, yeah, I want an exercise where I'm ripping a tree out of the ground and throwing it at the sun. You have no idea how badly I want to lift one of those tractor tires over and over again, or I want to be, have a chain around my waist that's connected to like a log that i have to sprint and carry i'm desperate to try that where can we where can we do those tire those those tractor tire things well do you just like have to have a farm yeah jj watt doesn't but he's because his family's got a big farm somewhere in the middle of america i don't think there's even room to where would you store a tractor tire like that? No, I don't think I would buy

one, but I don't even know a gym that would offer one. Any of these gyms. It seems like if there was an institution in Los Angeles that said you could come and do this kind of very

rustic hands-on exercise I think it would do great business I just don't know if it exists there was a 24-hour fitness in LA that I went to once that had a big tire in it but it wasn't the same it wasn't one of those big 200 pound tires or whatever they are yeah it was it was just moderately sized, big. And then you were allowed to hit it with a sledgehammer, which felt sort of deeply unsafe in the middle of the gym. Yeah. But yeah,

people would just hit the shit out of this thing with a sledgehammer. I think I would be out after one hit. I think I'm picturing it in my mind and I'm picturing hitting it and my hands shaking from the vibration of the impact and not liking that. Yeah. I think that I would hit it several times, but before my muscles would give out, my poor, soft, delicate hands would blister to the point where they would start to burn. And I'd be like, ah, this is for someone more blue collar than me. start to burn and i'd be like ah this this is for someone more blue collar than me we had one of those like uh i don't know if this was common at occidental but one of those

college events where where school hasn't really started yet and it's just sort of like college day where you walk around and you sign up for things and you like get free shit and one of the things they had uh was just a car that you could just hit with a big sledgehammer oh fuck yeah like the michael jackson video 100 like that we all like all the glass was gone so no one's gonna get hurt with glass but you wait in a long line i must have waited like 45 minutes for my turn to take one whack at this car and i hit the car with a sledgehammer and it vibrated my hands and i was like oh no this is not I don't think this is for me. I don't think I have a future in this field.

Well, it doesn't mean that's what would happen with a tire or anything else. No, you just got it. It was a bad car. Probably. Yeah. Um,

I have another question that this is an embarrassing question about boxing, but I have no frame of reference for the sport. This not like i've never spent much time watching it i've never actually done it when people are boxing like not even each other even when they're just hitting a bag the sound that i can't tell where the sound is coming from but it's this sound and i can't tell if that's the sound of the gloves punching for them breathing. I think that's mouths. Yeah. Is that the breathing that you're supposed to be doing? I don't know if you're supposed to be doing it, but that's what I think it is. It's such a weird noise that comes out of people who know what they're doing with boxing,

but it's like a... And it sounds like it could be the sponginess inside the glove kind of deflating as it hits, but I'm never confident that that's what it is. It's always like, I can't tell if that's coming out of your mouth or not, but surely that's not how humans breathe. Yeah. It's,

it's a, it's a really good question. I, I can't overstate this one class you've, I wasn't anticipating you to have so many boxing questions right off the top for the one class that I went to we didn't get into uh the the section on sounds yet we're still just at punching and ropes sounds like you actually did quite a bit though yeah uh was there a ring there yeah oh that's so exciting

did it stink was it was it smelly there the whole gym smelled awful oh i love it it's very specific yeah uh you're see like you're my foot in the door that's why i'm asking all these questions i'm very curious about the culture of boxing and it seems like something it would be nice to just have in my back pocket that i could do but it's just has never been worth it to me. I don't, I don't actually know if it's going to end up being the thing I want it to be like a version where I could just spar with someone as a fun exercise. Um, but we don't actually get hurt. I don't know if they're like the way that you can do one-on-one basketball. If I could just do one-on-one boxing for however long boxing is supposed to last and then at the end i don't there's no blood in my mouth or and or black eyes or my nose is broken or anything like that but just like you're sitting

gloves and you're like that was a fun day this was a fun day see you at lunch right i don't think that's for me either i i mean i've played flag football and stuff like that and just getting booped in the nose a little bit by accident with somebody's shoulder or something immediately there are tears in my eyes yeah and and i'm like oh i don't think yeah a sport where i'm being hit in the face repeatedly i think i would just start crying yeah oh all right well good luck with it i hope that you continue to be a boxer for at least another two weeks because I've got more questions later for you. Soren, how are you still talking about boxing? I am a fur trader. I have always been a fur trader.

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Yeah. I mean, I remember what my memory allows me to remember. I do too. I remember pretty vividly. In fact, I remember what my memory allows me to remember. I do too. I remember pretty vividly. In fact, I remember thinking, uh, not being scared at all being like, no, this is where this is good. This is where I should be.

But at the same time, this, I don't know if this is dark or not. Maybe looking around the room and being like, all right, well, who, who's cute here?

Yeah. At six, that's cute here? Yeah. At six. At that age? No. Yeah. No. Being like, who could be my girlfriend?

Did you not think about that? No, I didn't. I didn't think about that. I don't think I thought who's cute. I did think who's girlfriend though. Yeah. Well,

I mean, that's the same thing when you're that age. Same thing at anything. At age, you know what I'm saying? No. When I'm feeling mealy mouth like that, do you know what I'm saying? When I'm being mealy-mouthed like that, do you know what I'm saying?

You're right. It is the same being at any age. Yeah, I remember thinking, who could be my girlfriend here? And that seems like a... I mean, that's not on my son's radar at all. I didn't think. He started first grade already? Yeah, so. Sorry. The reason I'm asking this is that today was think but he started first grade already yeah so sorry the reason i'm asking

this is that today was his first day of first grade and he was fucking pumped he was so excited not nervous at all and i was like uh do you think we should put anything in your backpack other than your water and he's like nope let's go put on sunglasses and like set it out of the house empty backpack like didn't care. They didn't have anything to like, no markers, crayons, anything to write with no paper. He was just like, whatever's there. That's what I'm going to be using receipts. It doesn't matter.

Like he was just pumped to be on the way to school and was singing the song this morning. It was just like a guitar solo kind of like doing like a na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na na na na na na na na na na na na na the whole morning like get dressed to that song he was so excited to be going to school and the energy was infectious for my daughter because she was like way into it as well yeah and then we went and dropped him off and when she was not also dropped off when we were like took her back to the house she was like that was when it really clicked for her that this was not a fun thing for her what about me school school we're like no no not yet you'll get there yeah just listen you're not gonna be saying that yeah much longer he won't either don't worry he's gonna come home today he's gonna be like i don't i don't

know about my teacher but uh i vividly remember going to my first day of of kinder not kindergarten but of first grade because kindergarten was like a it was only a half day for me it was glorified daycare um but i remember going to first grade, I had a very strict and, uh, but you know, smart and like good teacher named Mrs. Cousins who taught me how to read. And I remember going there the first day and being like, this is it. Like, what I remember of first grade is that my kindergarten, I went to a full day kindergarten and I went to the kindergarten that my brothers didn't go to when they were that age. I went to a Catholic kindergarten because it was the only school around that did offer full day care. And that's, you know, my mom was going back to work. So I went to this other place just for kindergarten and had the whole ritual of uniforms and like Catholic lessons baked in around the alphabet as were, you know, all the normal kindergarten stuff.

you know, all the normal kindergarten stuff. And then was yanked out of there for first grade and was dropped right, right back into public school with full somehow six-year-old self-awareness that all of these kids were in the same kindergarten together, except me. And I felt, uh, I don't think I was nervous, but I, I, I think I was just in there. I was like, Oh, I don't, I don't have any friends. I don't know any of these kids. It's nice that I'm not in a uniform anymore, but all those kids I know are dead as far as a child's mind understands. And this is going to sound like self-mythologizing because it's so specifically well-remembered. But I remember the first day, my teacher, Mrs. LaForge, when we were having snack time, she said specifically, you can now turn to your buddy and have a snack

with your buddy. And I would watch people buddy up and I ate my snack alone. And I ate my snack alone for like three or four days in a row while people would like partner up. And then one of these days I raised my hand was like, Miss LaForge, I don't have a buddy. I don't know any of them. And then she was like, we'll just turn around and look, there's there's someone and then I just became friends with whomever. Mike, Mike dogon ear who was sitting behind me as like, great. We're buddies. Now, this is for life. It is really nice how easy it is for kids to make friends at that age. Colleen, to this day. But I do like, like there's something curious to me.

I appreciate little Daniel's adherence to the rules at that age, which he says, have snack with your buddy. Well, I don't have a buddy, so I will eat alone. I will eat alone for perhaps the rest of my life because I don't have an option for people with non-buddies. I'm built for this place. Yeah. So my wife also has very vivid memories because she went to a brand new school for first grade. She lived in Minnesota her whole life. And then she moved to Tucson.

And it was brand new. She didn't know anybody. And when she showed up at school, they did that thing with new students where they're like, everyone look at this kid for a second.'s new yeah look at her what a gift that must be for a teacher to be like you're new oh you're from a different state oh shit tell us about it this is gonna eat up 10 minutes easy tell us a little about yourself oh this is great yeah i heard their winters are nuts go and uh she she introduced herself and then the teacher was like i need a volunteer for somebody to help her out for the day and show her around basically they wanted somebody to show her the ropes at first grade

and this girl lauren was like yeah i'll do it and to this day lauren and her are best friends like the first person who reaches out to you and like offers you a lifeline. You're like, yes, I am indebted to you. I owe you my life. Yeah. For the rest of my life, I'll follow you around and try and pay off this debt. Yeah. Hey, I'll be your friend.

Isn't it amazing that we have everything in common? Yes. Let's decide that right now. Well, I mean, I don't like any, I don't know what I like yet. So we're just going to grow together. It'll be great. I love the enthusiasm of Lauren. Like, yeah, I mean, I don't like any, I don't know what I like yet. So we're just going to grow together. It'll be great. I love the enthusiasm of Lauren. Like, yeah, I'll show her the ropes. What are you telling her?

I'm Lauren. I also have no power and no money. I get shuffled around everywhere. I never know what's going on. That's the sharpener over there. I've never chosen a meal for myself in my entire life when you want to go to the bathroom you put your you do this weird cross thing with your middle finger and your index finger and then that's pretty much it we're best friends now yeah so she hasn't because she also was very scared in the same way that you were was like brand new but everybody already knew each other and that's yeah i mean that's hard for anybody that's hard at my age yeah and uh that's it was we had very different experiences and ronan thankfully was like just so gung-ho about like

yeah i'm going back to school i'm gonna wear my good shirt got my sunglasses on and when he's in line i was like do you want me to take your sunglasses for the day he's like no man ronan fucking rules he's a cool kid um but i remembered thinking back to the girlfriend stuff where i was like oh who could be my girlfriend in this class and then i was like trying to put the context with what he's going through in his life right now i was like i don't think he's aware of that at all was it crazy that i was aware of that at six years old because he's it's so not on his radar um he was definitely on mine but i i wonder where i guess there must have just been like older sibling maybe uh no i think there must just be like

girlfriends and husbands and wives on tv it must have just been like like yeah pop culture so he's uh he i went to a birthday party recently for a young girl that was in his class with him. And I met the mom and I was like, hey, we haven't actually met before. Our kids were in school all year. And she was like, oh, you're Ronan's dad. Okay. Introducing the Miller Optics 2KW Handheld Laser Welder. It's so simple to use.

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fucking what are you sure about this and she's like and then she came home one day and told me that uh she broke up with him because he wasn't giving her enough attention and in fact at this birthday party she didn't invite this other boy that my son likes a lot she's like she didn't invite this other kid because she said if ronan's coming he'll just play with this other boy the whole time so like she very pointedly didn't invite this other kid that my friend clicks with because she's like well i don't want him just playing with her with this other this other boy and I was like, what? This is, this is so advanced. This is so varsity. Yeah. That I was like, I pulled Ronan aside and I was like, what's the deal? Did you ask this girl to be your girlfriend?

He's like, no. And I was like, do you know what that means? And he goes, no. And I was like, okay, go play. This has all been invented in her brain somehow. And I want to know why I want to know, like, first, I just want to know like where the impulse is coming from. Where's she getting it from that he's not? She's privy to these channels that he doesn't have. Yeah. It's all fascinating. It's fascinating that the girl has any say over who comes to her birthday party.

I don't feel like I had that kind of power. I didn't have guest list approval. No. In fact, where do we have a- Certainly no strategic guest list approval where it's like, oh, no, no, no. That's going to upset the vibe that I'm going for. No, I said that person is no good for the energy. Yeah, so Ronan's birthday is coming up. And I think I already told you that we invited class friends. We invited people from his school that, you know, his whole class and then other people that he knew outside of his class. That's not a huge list of kids. It's like a pretty normal number of kids. It would end up being probably, I think like 15 or 18 kids. But

everybody, nobody said no, everybody's coming. And that means that these extended families come as well. Like the rest of their family comes. So now each kid represents five people. So now that guest list just exploded from like 15 kids to about 70. So we have so many people coming to a birthday. What do you, how do you feed all those people? Well, I don't know i think you just get a bunch of pizzas that seems to be yeah it seems to be what everybody else does that's

no one would show up and be like what fucking pizza no thanks at this point everyone's like that's that's all you do so you go to costco or you go to domino's or something and you just get as many pizzas as you can and then you take home a bunch and eat it for the rest of the week but there's i'm just worried because i did a park reservation and the park reservations are very specific about like you can't have more than 25 people at a party at the park and i'm like all right man i got i got three times that at least you can be like listen park r, I'm on your side. My guest list is 15.

You're going to see some parents try to sneak in. That's on you to enforce the list. It also means that we've got to get, I mean, you can't feed that many people with one cake. So we got to get multiple cakes. We have to, when I was doing party favors, I got party favors for that number of children and then quickly realized I had to go order a bunch more because all the siblings are there too and and like these kids just i don't know what's going on they all have siblings there's not a single child at the coming of this party that doesn't have any other kids in their family and then every once in a while you get

somebody who messages you and they're like hey is it cool if my mom comes because she's going to be in town? These are not children. These are like adults. And of course- That same six-year-old who organized her own party guest list is like, hey, Soren. I can call you Soren, right? Soren.

It's me, Becky G. Can my mom come? I told her I would ask. She's going to be around. She's my ride, basically. She's so dumb. I don't even know what she wants to do. Yeah, so now we've got extended family coming.

It's just crazy. And I'll let you know how it goes because it's coming up this weekend. Yeah. But it's entirely possible we're going to be kicked out of this park for more than just this reason. We're doing bubble soccer as well, which is not allowed. It's not sanctioned. So we'll see. What's your plan if they try to shut you down?

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have you ever been rewarded for sticking with a piece of pop culture I guess it would have to be a TV show that you had every reason to abandon I can go first while you think okay yeah go ahead. The show Westworld on HBO is a show that had one of the best pilots I've ever seen. Yeah.

And a mostly good first season. Incredible cast, great acting, really cool stuff. It's a futuristic park where rich people interact with robots and they get to dress up like cowboys and just like live out a Western fantasy. However you want. The robots are so sophisticated that they can adjust

on the fly. If you want to be a good guy, bad guy, you can have sex with them. You can murder them. You could find treasure. You could just get drunk. You could just like pretend to be a cowboy. But most people do the worst things you could do with robots. And then the robots gain sentience and attack the humans. It's a very compelling first season of television. And also there's like a time, not travel twist, but like some kind of time related twist. That's very exciting. A pretty good good first season second season and third season were very strange and weird and bad and they got into these uh needless incredibly long very dry boring philosophical conversations uh it never seemed like they had an end game for anything

uh deaths wouldn't matter they would kill a character and then bring it back to life because they were a robot or they would kill a character and then bring the human back as a robot now and it just felt like there were no stakes and it really again a show that seemed completely directionless and a lot of people stopped watching you could see the ratings that people just stopped watching this show. And because I'm a strange, and I didn't like it. I watched every episode of this show and I didn't like it. I almost never knew what was going on, but I'm, I watched so few shows that when I do pick one, I stick with it because I'm a completist that way.

And we just finished season four and it's so crazy to say Westworld's good again. I don't, I don't know how to, how to tell you this, but it's just, it's, I don't want to spoil too much about where we are, but we're so far from the first season at this point, but they really, every actor is still very good. Every actor is having lots of fun and they are the the fact that so many people are robots who can die and come back is now a feature and not a bug it's not a bad thing anymore we like that people can die in cool ways and come back and nothing really matters and it's just great actors i think at this point everyone is kind of a robot and they're just fighting each other and trying to save the world and like good guys become bad guys bad guys become good guys

and not in like a nuanced game of thrones way and like a very a switch is flipped and it's like all right i guess i'm good now and now we get to see what it's like when this character is paired up with this one and they're fighting that other one. And then they switch sides. It's just, I think it became pretty aware of its own, A, silliness and B, its own capabilities. If they're just going to live in a world where they can invent their rules on the fly all the time and just make a pretty ridiculous show it's i'm no one's as surprised as i am at how much fun this season of westworld was and i feel like i earned how good it is because i sat through such bad shit with a voice in my head telling me like why are you doing just like go to sleep instead of watching this? You're, you're struggling to stay awake,

to watch this show. You don't like just go to sleep, live your life. I was like, no, what if, what if this is the one time that in the history of television where a show starts good, gets worse and then gets good again. I know it's never happened before, but what if this is the time? And I think this is the time. That's so shocking to me that that show turned it around. It rules. I guess I should start watching it again.

But I'm going to be so lost because I've seen the trailer for this season because it's got Lou Reed in it. You must love it. Of course. And there's a whole lot of like cityscapes in the future it looks like it looks like the whole show takes place in blade runner like everything is different and i and these people walking through glass doors constantly

that are probably robots and that's the whole show i mean that's like the whole trailer and i'm like i don't know what this fucking thing is anymore i think it's pretty okay that you don't know what's going on. Like it's not one of those shows. There's so many shows in my life where a season ends. And then I spend the entire off season thinking about it and trying to, to solve mysteries. And this is a show where, where a season ends and then it's completely out of my head.

And then when it comes back on and I start to see the same trailers, I'm like, man, I don't even know who's a robot anymore. I guess I don't care. I guess it doesn't matter. They'll tell me if it matters. And it doesn't. So it's fine. I guess I can see the

appeal of that. The show started with these people who were robots, kept dying in crazy ways, and then kept coming back. And that's the whole appeal of going to Westworld in the first place. And then that's what's happening in the real world where it's real people die and they come back in robots. And there's very little difference between them being a robot and them being a real person

anymore. It's the same thing. It has the same appeal. Yeah. And the show is very aware of like, well, let's not, as cool as cowboys were, let's really lean into the fact that everyone is a super strong robot that fights each other and we could do anything we could do anything in a world where death doesn't matter and robots are everywhere and like there's a they just do like cool almost

standalone high concept episodes where one character uh is a robot and he wakes up in a prison and wants to break out of that prison but he realizes as he's doing it that he is like the 200 and something version of himself and he realizes that because they were like there are the his entire escape is like littered with his past corpses, the past versions of him that have tried to do this thing so he's like going along and learning from like okay well clearly I at one point went in that direction

and that's why he's dead so I'm not going to go that way and he's just like learning from this long string of his own corpse to get out of this prison and it's just so fucking cool. And like a thing that truly no other show on television can do. Cause no other show has built this world of lawless robot magic. Yeah.

Well, I've seen the movie Westworld and that one there's like Westworld plays a very, it's not a super long time that you're spending in Westworld. You go to like feudal Japan world and Indian world and stuff like that. Obviously the names need some workshopping. Westworld is really the only one that works well. Yeah.

But you like bounce into these other worlds a little bit. Is that happening in the show? A little bit. Yeah. There's a couple of different worlds. There is a feudal Japan world. There's a prohibition world. There is some kind of like safari world, I want to say.

Okay. Man, for a show I've watched every episode of, many of them multiple times, it all falls right out of my head in a very good way. That sounds nice, actually. I think I'd like head in a very good way. Yeah. That sounds nice. Actually. I think I'd like to watch a show like that. Um, so I,

I, maybe we've talked about it on the podcast before. I watched Friday night lights when it came out. Yeah. As it was airing on NBC, I watched it. And the first season, same as Westworld,

first season of Friday night lights trailer included a nutshell or pilot included are phenomenal. It's like a masterpiece. It's so good. And then the second season is such pure dog shit. Yeah. It's really tough to sit there and watch. Everything that was interesting about the show is suddenly gone.

Instead, the majority of so Friday night lights, if you're not familiar as a show about town, Odessa in Texas that uh Odessa isn't it Odessa what's is it is the town Odessa and the schools are east and west Dillon is the town not Dillon that's from the movie Maybe I'm thinking of Friday Night Lights. Co-written. Does it say? I thought it was Odessa. Dylan Panthers. Is Friday Night Lights based on Odessa?

Oh, the book is about Odessa, Texas. That's why. It's in my head. Okay. Forget that. It's about the small town in Texas, and it's about their football team and how football is life there. I mean, the whole town closes down every Friday night to go watch the team play, and everybody who lives there also played football

at the same school and have just continued their lives in this small rinky-dink town. So they've got these rings where they were famous for a brief stint of their lives, And then everything was downhill again from there. So football is everything and it's great. Kyle Chandler is in it. And as the coach, it's a wonderful, wonderful show. The second season was mostly about a murder. Two kids accidentally murder somebody, two kids from the school accidentally murder

someone and one of the kids is like he was the comic relief of the first season he was fun he was removed from football he was just like the quarterback's buddy and didn't actually play on the team at all he was just like this voice of reason who could see the forest or the trees and then the second season he murdered someone with the with a cheerleader yeah and he he's like every episode is him crying and weeping and just not fun anymore. All the light has gone out in his eyes. So even the things that were fun are gone. I think that murder happens in the first episode of the season too. It's wild.

It's really early on. And I remember it happening and being like, no, don't do that. Then you have to realistically play out what would happen after that no there's no going back now he's just got to be sad all season and that's all it was and like so much of the plot was invested in these two getting away with murder yeah it was really odd and in a way where i was like that okay this show sucks sucks now, but I'm going to, it's still a show. This is, I've already built the pattern. I know that I'm going to be home on this night to watch it. And then season three rolled around and season three was awesome again. And season four was

even better. And the show got amazing again. It just had this weird bell curve in the middle where I don't know what the fuck they were doing. Peter Berg was just like, I don't want to do football anymore. I doubt that was, that feels like a decision from, what was their original, you said NBC was their original network? They weren't like CW or some shit like that? No, they're NBC. I think it very much feels like one of those network decisions where it's like, you've got a show set in a high school.

We need some real stakes. We need a murder mystery. We need, we need like some more drama beyond the inherent drama of high school and, uh, high stakes football games. We need something else. We need something, something else to get people watching every week. People like murder, I guess. It really seems like an executive in a room saying, what if one of the characters killed someone? And then like, that's a big cliffhanger, huh? It's like, yes, that is a big cliffhanger. I'm not sure how it fits into our small town football narrative. Right. But just think about how you'd have to, how do you have to solve that? Yeah. I am thinking about that and not super happy about the way. Yeah.

I do like that by season three of the show. I don't think that that murder ever came up again. No, it's really funny. The kids got away with it. Scott free. They did. And,

and no one brings it up and no one's mad about it. And they, they never deal with it emotionally either-free they did and and uh no one brings it up and no one's mad about it and they they never deal with it emotionally anymore either they're like they really had their catharsis in season two and then they're like yeah i murdered a guy let it go i've moved on yeah i was a sophomore we all did crazy things as am's Amors. I mean, you kissed a girl. So anyway, that was one where I was really into, I was really glad that I stuck around and I was glad that it did feel rewarding

and that I had stuck with it because I was like, everyone else kind of tuned out. Yeah. Didn't really like it anymore. And I could be the one being like, no, guys, come back. It's good again. Yeah.

There was, I can claim no honor in sticking with that show because I think it was already three seasons on when I first started watching it on Hulu or Netflix or whatever. So everyone braced me properly. They were like, don't, don't worry. You can stick with this. So, so I had no, there was no risk for me to keep watching that show. I already knew there was a light at the end of the tunnel. You, what you did was bravery. Yeah. That's like sticking with a sports team when they're bad and then finally winning a Super Bowl.

But there's another one that I read. So there was a summer where I was like a really good reader. I was really into it. I would work at this job at a golf course and I was just reading classics in my, in my spare time thinking like, I'll be a better person from these. And I wasn't, I mean, a lot of it was objectively too tough for me to penetrate. I didn't get it. And one of the things that I was reading was James Joyce and James Joyce has a short story called the dead. Um, it's in a collection. How short is it? So that's the thing. It's in this book called the Dubliners and Dubliners has like a lot of short

stories that are all pretty dismal and dark, but there's this one called the dead and it's long. It's like the longest short story I've ever read. It's, it should be a novella. It's way, way, way too long.

And, uh, I remember reading it and in the middle of it, just being like, what the fuck am I doing? I hate this. I hate, why would I,

why would I subject myself to this? I don't like like any of this it's like when you were a kid and your movie finished early at the movie theater and you snuck over into your parents whatever movie they were watching and like it was some political thriller and you had no context for anything and you're just like what the i just gotta when's this movie over um i love pausing in the middle of a book to be like, what are you talking about? What do you mean? Yeah. I was like, each page was taking me a lot longer than it should because I had to reread it over and over because I just lose interest and I just started zoning out and thinking about other things. And then I was like, I just got to get through this short story. I just got to get through it. And then the end is the payoff is so good.

It's so wonderful in the story in a way that meant a lot to me seminally at the time. And I was like, by the end, I was like, I love James Joyce. I mean, I never felt that again. I don't get a single thing he says. I've tried to read everything. I tried to read Portrait of an Artist as a Young Man I'm like this is tough I can't get through this I was gonna

make a joke but I do believe James Joyce came up on a previous podcast as a specific example of a person I joke about but know nothing about just one of my like fake intellectual jokes that I use as a punchline, like while I'm walking out the door.

So there can be no followup questions. Right. Uh, yeah. I mean, he wrote Ulysses and Ulysses is based on the story of, uh, Odysseus from the Odyssey.

And I love the shit out of that. Yeah. But Ulysses is, I, I mean, I wouldn't even be able to tell you what, how it's related. I think. But Ulysses is, I, I mean, I wouldn't even be able to tell you what, how it's related. I think I read Ulysses and I'm like,

I don't know. There's no parallels in my mind. I don't get it. Um, but the dead, the dead is a great short story with a, like a really fantastic question. Say it's a great short story.

It's a really tough short story with a great ending. I'll tell you. I mean, if you don't want to read it, the, the, what you're finding out at't want to read it, the, the, what you're finding out at the end, this,

this woman was like, it's this guy and this woman at a party and she starts seeming really distant at the party and he doesn't understand why. And he's just like imagining all these different reasons why she's so distant. And then at the end, it's revealed that she saw somebody appear at the top of the stairs at the party. And it had reminded her when she was young.

I think this is, uh, this is maybe a little great, but it reminded her had reminded her when she was young i think this is uh this may be a little great but it reminded her of when she was young she had a lover a long time ago who was deeply sick and one night in the rain he came to see her and like what the that meant to her that this man came in the rain to just to see her and then he died he's like he got more sick and died and how those types of people continue to die in your brain all the time like that they don't just die and go away like they're they're in you forever and like you can never compete with a lover like like if you i hate the word lover you uh you can never compete with somebody's like previous at and somebody who died in their life you there's no way like that person

will be the in their mind will live on as like the best example of what love could be and you will never ever ever ever be able to contend with that and this guy just like realizing that in the last few pages and i was i was man sorry you don't have to tell me all my girlfriends are dead it's a weird pattern i can't explain it but uh i was i think i had been in my first long-term relationship when i was reading it and being like oh shit i think this was written for me i'd be actually curious to go read the dead again because because I mean, I was so young when I read it. Of course I hated it.

I wonder if I am older now and I would look at it and be like, ah, no, I understand it better. Or if I'd be like, nah, I was right. I'm the same idiot I was when I was 18.

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