Quick Question with Soren and Daniel - Peaky Blinder’s, Salad As Penance, Soren: Strike Sultan

Episode Date: October 3, 2023

Hope you're not hungry, cause the guys are talking FOOD. Daniel''s dealing with the complications of being basically vegan and Soren has a complicated relationship with salads and The Mahabharata. They also discuss imposter syndrome, networking on the picket lines, and Cillian Murphy's surprising calves. Follow the show on socials: https://www.linktr.ee/QQPodcast  Soren Bowie: https://twitter.com/Soren_Ltd Daniel O'Brien: https://twitter.com/DOB_INC

I've got a quick, quick question for you, alright? I wanna hear your thoughts, I wanna know what's on your mind I've got a quick, quick question for you, alright? The answer's not important, I'm just glad that we could talk tonight So what's your favourite? Who did you get? What do I be? What's it up to? Where did all that go? Oh, forget it! I saw a movie, Daniel O'Brien. Two best friends and comedy writers.

If there's an answer, they're gonna find it. I think you'll have a great time here. I think you'll have a great time here. I think you'll have a great time here. So hello again and welcome to another episode of Quick Question with Soren and Daniel on the podcast where two best friends and comedy writers ask each other questions and give each other answers. I am one half of that show. Senior writer for Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, author of How to Fight Presidents, and guy with the cleanest shoes in the room, Daniel O'Brien, joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Soren Buoy.

Soren, say hello. Hello. I'm feeling a little self-conscious about my shoes. I was even before you said a thing. Really? Because, yeah, it's like a leather, but it's like a dried out leather now. And I was just thinking, do you oil shoes? Is that like a linseed?

What do you do? I don't know. But you do have really nice shoes. I don't want to detract from the fact that, yes, your shoes are glimmering and perfect and untouchable. And you made a good choice. It's really the only thing that I thought about when I was picking my clothes to bring to L.A. to film these things. Is that I should have clean shoes because people are going to see them. And most of my shoes aren't clean.

Did I fucking get in your head about shoes when I talked to you about how you can tell someone's homeless by their shoes or crazy by their shoes? No. Okay. Now that we're back on YouTube and I'm just like very hyper aware of every position that I'm in and everything that I'm, I'm showing to the audience, but it's baby steps because I have the cleanest shoes in the land, but people are going to see I'm wearing these pants in every, in the next five episodes that are going to, are going to air.

I did not bring bottoms to change into all of my other clothes that I brought to LA are shorts and I'm not going to wear fucking shorts on camera. I thought about it last night too. And I was like, I'll be in positions like this. And I don't think I want to do that in shorts. No. Uh, well, you know what? This is good. This is good for a podcast to describe everything that we're wearing. I think people's podcasts should do this more often. Uh, we are on video. If you're listening to this, you can catch a video version of it on YouTube. But, uh video if you're listening to this you can catch a video version of it on youtube but uh if you want to listen to it and you don't want to see our faces hey i fucking get that yeah i get not wanting to do that that's if how you experience

this podcast is over the the radio waves yeah then keep it that way people have have uh pointed out in the comments that we have aged. And... It happened. And that might make it difficult. Stop, stop. That might make it difficult viewing for you. And I'm not even like, I don't think you're being a dick if you told us that we've aged. I have.

And I feel the same way seeing someone that used to be young and now I see them and they're not. That's sometimes difficult for me to see also. So if you only want to listen to this episode and pretend that we're both 22, that's great. I get it. I remember watching Home Improvement as a child and then kind of falling off from it a little while and came back and the kids were all like six feet tall.

And I was like, no! I was like an insult to me. Like, why would they do that? Yeah. This is different now. So yeah, I get it. Don't look at us if you don't want to. How's it going, man? Oh yeah. I mean, pretty good. Thanks for asking. Yeah. I'm all recovered from Lyme's disease. Thanks for asking. Yeah, I'm all recovered from Lyme's disease. Oh, good.

Yeah, I forgot to ask. I saw you yesterday and you were just so healthy on the picket lines. Yeah. Can I say another thing about you? Yeah, say a thing. Sorin is the fucking mayor of this strike. I went picketing with him yesterday with two of our good friends Caitlin and Mickey shout out to both of them and You knew everyone on the line you were saying hi to you were shaking hands. Everyone knew you you were just going up and and

we got like Five minutes of time talking to you and the rest of it was just like you Glad-handing everybody and and checking in and it was just it's glad handing everybody and checking in. And it was just, it's really cool to see tremendous like high school flashbacks of not being popular. Hanging out with my friends in the corner of the gym for the school dance and seeing the captain of the strike, I guess. Well, I've spent 100 days with these people. I don't go to a bunch of different locations. I occasionally will go to Fox if there's some event there, but I'm in the same studio every single day,

and so I see the same people, and they're the regulars. They're the people that I know, and you inevitably end up talking to everybody there. And you don't talk about... Nobody's hot. Nobody's hot about it. Nobody's like, what do you do? What do you want? You're just like, oh, I don't think that truck's supposed to be going in this gate. And then you

just start talking. And then you start to develop a relationship with them and you find out like, oh, you were on Barry. Oh, I love Barry. And I'm like, I was on American Dad. and you're like what is that uh but you start to like develop a relationship with people and what is that what have you never been to a hotel or an airplane um people the look of relief on people's faces when i say it's okay i don't watch it either because i don't have TBS they're like oh thank God okay all right

we can talk candidly yeah um but uh I'm on the lines and see these people all the time and then you like you become friends with these people they all have very similar jobs to you they're dealing with similar things you can talk about different showrunners you've encountered or the other rooms, what rooms are like and stuff. And you just have so much to talk about that you become friends very, very fast. I will also say for a good portion of this, I had a broken wrist and I was memorable.

And that is why I'm king of the lot is that everyone knows- I mean, I said mayor, that's a fine promotion to give yourself, I guess. That is why I'm sultan of the lot is that I had, the people were tracking the progression of my return to health

from a broken bone because it was so easy and it was like, anybody's looking for anything. At one point, at one of the gates, a piece of a tree fell and we still talk about it.

We can't stop because anything that happens is exciting because it's just interminable. It's just you walking back and forth and back and forth. And so, yeah, you become, it's like, I don't know, being in a jail with somebody. I think you develop a relationship with them. And then after that, I have to talk to my brethren when I see them. So I was like hanging out with you guys, but I was also like, and now I need to talk to Ben for a little bit because he's also here.

That's fascinating. like and now I need to talk to Ben for a little bit because he's also here that's uh that's fascinating I think we might have talked a little bit about this uh when we when you and I went to the Emmys together that I still have this imposter syndrome the same way that we were at this this fancy HBO party and I didn't really talk to any of the many famous people there that were there except like Jesse Armstrong I could talk to him and and have famous people there that were there except like jesse armstrong i could talk to him and and have a nice conversation with him i still at that party felt like i'd crashed it somehow even though it's the hbo emmy party and i work for hbo or i used to now i'm on strike now i just work for and it's also not hbo anymore yeah i I worked for Max. I don't want to watch.

But, like, at the time, HBO, Emmy party. And I worked for HBO. And I had a couple of Emmys for them. A fine Emmy in your hand. But I'm still just like, I don't belong here. I don't belong here. Yeah. And I feel that way even when we're striking. That, like, I, we are all mostly working writers and actors who are striking together.

I should feel like I'm allowed to talk to people, but I just don't. I still get very nervous. They don't want to... Look, it's a very talented writer. They don't want to be bugged by something. And in fact, it's like the best time to talk to people. I know, but I still don't want to be bugged by something and in fact it's like the best time to talk to people but i still don't do it i'm i'm hungry for conversation out there like anybody could approach me and as long as we're not talking about writing right off the bat i might like if they're like you're wearing a broncos hat oh i can't wait to tell you about how much i fucking hate the broncos yeah wearing a broncos hat because i like them they suck um and so i found that out there on

the lines like you just start a conversation with somebody you talk for a very long time and then a gradually like organically it will just come up like what you do and then like this whole other conversation blossoms from it yeah like we have very similar experiences and it's i don't know i think it's made me good at i hate this word but i think it's gonna be good at networking uh i knew it was gonna be networking and like people do it wrong i'll say that um there's a wrong way to do the lines where people come in hot especially when sag SAG started, because SAG would come in and immediately ask, what show are you on? What are you working on? What were you on?

And there was one instance where I was with somebody else who had been on a few different shows and a person came up, asked him what he'd done, and then IMDb'd him right in front of us. And I was like like that's not the good approach man don't do that um but everybody else has been everybody and everybody's so kind and like they are yeah we talked to a few people yesterday but i don't we never even got around to what do you work on what's your show and you shouldn't well that's the benefit of 100 days like i'm not i'm not saying like this conversation happened within five minutes it's like i will talk to somebody i'll see them again the next day i'll see them again the next day and then two weeks later we find out like yeah oh you work on this show oh i work down the hall from you it's actually

one thing the the sag edition has been more stressful for me because these people might be regularly on television and I don't know who they are. Like it was not, there wasn't a minefield when it's just writers and you're talking to other writers and they're like, oh yeah, I work for Peaky Blinders or whatever. It's like, yeah, I wouldn't have known that. And it's okay that I don't know that by looking at you. Right. But now there's actors and like, I stopped myself from saying, what do you work on? Because they might be like, I'm Peaky Blinder. I'm like, oh no.

Peaky Blinders. It's really funny to imagine that as Peaky Blinder, apostrophe S. Like this is his show. It's Peaky Blinders. And also you do know Cillian Murphy. I know, yeah. You know exactly what he is. He's 5'6".

And I can't let it go that he's little because he's so devastatingly handsome. Yep. You don't like that quality about yourself, but I really love it, dude. What? That petty side of me? Yeah, I think it's good. I think it's healthy. It's good.

Yeah. I think it's important that you know these things about yourself yeah there's nothing wrong with being five six no lots of people are yeah but you couldn't be me need to mention it nothing wrong with it no but everyone should know yeah he's five six that's short. Put all of his body into his cheekbones and eyes and left nothing left over for height.

That's fine. He's got pretty good hair, too. Whatever. Oh, he's calves, also. I don't know if you saw this, but there was a picture of him recently in, I don't want to say an open kimono, but I don't think that's right. He's in a bathrobe eating some cereal out on a porch or something um it's a it's it's a very compromised photo like he's is this real yeah he's it's like a very intimate photo but it has like the grainy quality of uh

28 days later so at first i'd like double check and be like this is a still from the movie but he he has he looks good despite the fact he's's wearing a bathrobe and he's eating cereal out of ceramic. And then his calves are fucking killer. Really? Yeah, he's got great calves. Carrying around a 5'6 frame. They're doing some extra heavy lifting somehow. Man.

Yeah. Yeah, Gabe was holding up a picture of... Oh, that's his knee. A knee. There are those calves. Oh, wow. Look at the definition. A knee. There it is, Kaz. Oh, wow. Look at the definition. Holy shit.

That surprised me. Okay. All right. Anyway. We'll be right back. Should we get into the show? Yo, I'm so nervous about what you've got in your hand right now. I just wanted to have, like...

There's just a few things that i wrote down just some notes for myself so i can remember uh and i didn't really i mean got it very helpful uh the things that i actually wrote down i didn't need to write down you wrote that down and it didn't look right so you retraced it several times to make it bolder? Yeah, I wanted to play on camera and I forgot to I Forgot to pack a marker when I flew yeah, I'm like I'm not gonna buy another marker when I'm in Los Angeles So I'll just like really for this like one beat bit go on but the actual things I needed to write down, I could have just remembered.

And I already bought the cards, so what am I going to do? Give them back? Did you- Nope. I'm out of bits now. I shouldn't be interrupting because this is really going well. No, I'm out of bits now. Okay. I only have the free words that I could have just memorized, but here we are.

I need your help coming up with a new word. Oh, okay, okay good it's for nepulatid okay sure yeah oh you want you had a context for it no nepulatid yeah it's um it's when uh nepulatid is actually like a combination of it's a portmanteau of um like bigfoot son like a cryptid and a nepo baby. Okay. When they're combined, where he's getting jobs

just because he's Bigfoot's son, even though you can't even, there's nothing Bigfoot-y about him. Right. You just know that he's Bigfoot's son, and he's pretty mediocre in all ways, but he's getting a lot of work because of it. Yeah, that always sucks.

Every time you find out there's the youngest writer ever hired for SNL, and then a little bit of Googling, he's a Bigfoot. Like nine out of ten times, it's a Bigfoot. He's not even a Bigfoot, he's a Yeti. Yeah. Ugh. You hate to see it.

So I've been thinking about a word. So like hangry is when you're so hungry that you're mad about it. This is sort of a cousin of that, I would say. Where you eat so much, you're so full that you're mad about it which has happened to me a few times and and just like because i you go out to a restaurant and you're like having such a good time eating and then you're you're you get full before you know it and then you're just like walking around bloated and and so full that you're mad i went to a korean barbecue place with my

friend Elise when I was living out here. It was her last day in town when she was visiting me before flying home and she didn't realize how full she was getting at the Korean barbecue place until it was too late and she was mad at me afterwards. She was like, I have to i don't i'm so uncomfortable and full i get it i get i'm really sorry i will never do this again my it's fun my children get this way yeah frequently we're like they'll drink too much chocolate milk and be fucking furious about it um i i would call it like self-folding oh okay because you's, it's, a lot of it's angry at your, you're being angry at yourself. Yeah. Like, you're mad that you did this.

Okay. So, like, a self loathing combined with, like, that feeling of being very, very full. Yeah. My first one, and it's imperfect, was bustrated. Oh. You're about to bust. But also, like, I don't, I don't think we should use

it, because busting. Bustrated is tough. Busting is also is like yeah it's another thing it's a dirty thing it's another thing yeah i also had full shit but i don't like it more distant to me i don't i can't relate to well let's see full shit i'm so full yeah and it it's bullshit. Well, see, to me that suggests I need to shit real bad. I'm a full shit. Yeah. None of these are perfect. I'm like locked and loaded with one.

The closest one I think I had was, and I haven't finessed it yet, enoughed. Oh. Is that? Yeah. Is that the area? No, I thought registers. Yeah. Because you've got stuffed at the end of it.

Yeah. Those are the only ones that I had. Enoughed. Although, you're not really capturing the anger with that one. No. What was that first one? Bustrated. Bustrated.

It's such a shame because that one's pretty good. Like you're busting at the seams. Right. Because you're so full and you just need to cum. Yeah. You're busting at the seams. Right. Because you're so full and you just need to cum.

Yeah, that seems like a... People should actually use that one for sexually frustrated. Yeah. Bustrated is great. It's a good shorthand. Well, not for this, but... Sure. Yeah, that's a tough one. Let's see.

I think you really want to capture the fact that you're not just angry generally. Like, it's like the world hasn't done anything to you you fucking did this yeah so i think you really want to capture that feeling that sense of shame that's a fuzzy with it like now you said that you're this happens to your kids all the time does it not happen to you no you don't ever go like just overboard on a on a sandwich i do but i know that i mean i I mean, this isn't my first rodeo. Like, I know that if I get really full,

I could just, in five minutes, I'm going to feel fine. Yeah. I got to walk it off a little or I got to do something, but I'm never going to, it doesn't feel permanent

in a way that it does for my children who are like, oh no. It like shuts my night down. Really? If I eat too much, if I go out to dinner

and eat too much and then I'm just like, oh, I don't even want to. I just got to sleep this off. I have to just be another person. It needs to be another day. I think that a lot of it comes from my love of fast food.

That I'm so used to it. That like I eat fast food and immediately after eating fast food feel fucking terrible. Yeah. But I'm so used to that feeling that at this point I'm'm like this will pass. This is just part of the experience I Hope you don't mind me bringing this up, but at the strike yesterday we had we were gifted free tacos And you got tacos at 11 o'clock in the morning like like all of us did yeah And then you got a slice of pizza And as you were eating your tacos and pizza you turned to me and said is this gonna be your lunch?

I saw it's like yes, of course it is because you were eating your tacos and pizza, you turned to me and said, is this going to be your lunch? I was like, yes, of course it is. Because you were getting another lunch after the strike. Did you end up doing that? Yeah. Where'd you go? Well, I was going to go to this great sandwich shop called Jackson Market that's right near where I strike because I love their sandwiches. Great turkey sandwiches.

And the ambiance, can't beat it. I didn't end up going there. I went to, on the way to my gym, I went to Whole Foods and had a big slice of chicken thigh. Sour orange chicken thigh. And then I had some salad, some kale salad. Okay. Yeah.

That's great. That's healthy. Well, so that's the thing is I've been doing a new thing with lunches where I try to be very, very healthy with the lunch and then go ape shit on dinner. I see. But those are the only two meals I eat. Yeah. So I get, by the time it's lunchtime, I haven't eaten for like 14 hours. And so I will eat, I will go crazy at lunch.

Like I'll eat a bunch. And so the way that I was solving that was I was like, well well how big are the tubs i'm allowed to get at whole foods oh i'm allowed to get a salad a salad tub that like container that's gigantic and just not just like casually throwing salad in there that's a huge waste of space you gotta like pack the salad down in there sure and then get it as and get as full as possible and i don't like salad i fucking hate it but i i i famously do my salad shots. The Storm and Bowie signature salad shots. Where you hide below a window.

That's important. Get down low. Crouch down in your house. And you ball spinach up into a black hole of spinach. No space left in there. And then you put the whole thing in your mouth. And chew it for the next 45 minutes. And then you're done with your salad and it was so easy yeah but i can't i don't know with uh with lunches i'm like try to embrace the salad and i know that i will at the end feel full

and like i'll get that same feeling of like too full but i need that at the end to know to stop and so i won't feel good doing it i don't like the salad but i know at the end to know to stop. And so I won't feel good doing it. I don't like the salad, but I know at the end I'll have the same feeling. And so if I can just get to that point, then I did it with salad instead of French fries and that's good. I'm traveling now. So my whole diet is whatever it's going to be. But I eat salads for lunch every day now.

And I fucking hate it. It's the worst. It's the worst thing in the world. And you, but you start after like two months of it, you start to think this is what I deserve. Yeah. And other food just isn't for you. It's especially...

It's like waffle cones growing up. You're like, waffle cones aren't for me. That's for dukes. It's especially annoying when I go to the gym early enough that I come home and it's lunchtime. And my lunchtime after the gym is a salad. Yeah. That's when I feel like, who are we doing this for so we can live longer this is why did we even why did we go to the gym so i could cut up a fucking cucumber and put it in my stupid salad all right let me ask you this no quick question dude when you... You got it soaring.

When you're making your salads. Get your note card ready, because I think this is going to be the answer. Are there, like... You've started to, like, look forward to these little things within the salad, and that becomes the treat? Yeah. And how horribly demoralizing that is, that you're, like, excited about some cut-up strawberries at the bottom of it? It's the... Depending on the salad that I make make because there's two that I go back and forth between

One of them is strawberry cucumber watermelon with black pepper. That sounds great. Feta crumbles It's it's great if you like fucking cucumber, which I don't yeah So I just eat this thing. I don't like yeah And the other one is like mixed greens and a bunch of other bullshit. And that's the one with the treat. I will allow myself some fried crispy onion topper stuff on there. Yeah. And sometimes I really feel like, oh, what a coup.

This is like basically a chip. This is like a snack. And I'm really happy about that. But other times as I'm eating it, I can, the saltiness is so pronounced in it that I can feel myself prepping for like, well, when we're out of the crispy onion things that I love, we're not buying another case of them. This is going to be it. This is, this is bad. We're not going to throw it out because that's wasteful, but it's the end of the road for these. Because I could just taste how the how damaging they are i mean i'm sure that what i'm describing and what we're both describing

here is not a healthy relationship to food but i like salad is essentially a penance for me it's like this is how i remind myself to be humble and be grateful and like and i will eat kale which i kale is the worst of all the leafy greens because it's basically like tree bark. Like it's so, you have to do so much to it to make it edible. I'm not going to eat kale. Like there are some lines I won't cross in my quest to be healthier. And like kale, no. And broccoli, no.

I'm not going to eat broccoli. Oh, broccoli's one. I hate broccoli. Well, broccoli's one I've turned a corner on. But with kale, you're also supposed to like tear the leafy greens off of the stalk. And Whole Foods refuses to do that. So like they're just going to cut it up and put it in.

You're getting the like trunk in there. And I just sit there and like wolf the shit down. But I know that at the bottom of this, I have something. Like I've always added something else that I can find. That's like at the bottom that I'm going to be excited about.

And for a while it was this chicken thigh and that's not doing it anymore like now i'm like sick of the chicken thigh too so now i've got to like add something else and then when i finally get to it i'm always like and this is what i was fucking yeah so excited about what is this life i recently found it's like barely a recipe, but I follow this Eating Healthy Instagram account. And they're like, you can dice up watermelon and put it in a food processor

and mix it with a little bit of lime and then put it in the freezer. And that's basically the same as an ice cream treat. No, it's not. It's not. But I eat it. I certainly feel like I'm doing an ice cream like it has the whole ritual of of like an italian ice kind of treat thing but i know better yeah it's not arita's i was there when we made it um i'm gonna i'm gonna be really annoying for a second and

then i hopefully by the end it culminates into like okay something poignant and good indian scripture there's a there's a nope there's a book called and i'm gonna butcher the name for anyone who uh actually speaks the language but it's called the mahabrata and within it there's a story called the bhagavad-gita which is like very very popular um in hinduism but there's uh the mahabrata is like thousands and thousands of pages but it's the story of these pandava brothers these five brothers who like fight in this big war but each of them represent like a different aspect of humanity there's like enlightenment there's strength there's all these different things at one point one of them asks a sage he's like as the sage is dying he's like wait what's the

meaning of life and the sage is like uh there is a man running through the jungle and the jungle is surrounded by a giant net. And he gets to, he is being chased by wild animals who want to eat him. And he gets to the edge of a cliff and falls and barely hangs onto a root. And below him are snakes that want to bite him. And these animals that want to trample him above and around him, there are the root is, oh,

they're rats gnawing at the root and there are bees flying around stinging him and he says and uh he does not live to escape he just lives for those bits of honey from the bees he sticks his finger out and collects bits of honey from these bees and eats it and so he doesn't live to like leave the situation he knows's fucked, but he's like living for these bits of honey. And so every time I'm like eating one of these kale salads, I'm like, it's just fucking these bits of honey at the bottom. There's some blueberries here.

I think I buried. This is what it's going to be for me. Uh, I think about that a lot when I'm eating my terrible, terrible lunches, man. Yeah. Is that dark? No. Okay. No, that's, it lunches. Man. Yeah. Is that dark?

No. Okay, good. No, it's very fascinating. My comedy instinct when there's a sage dying and someone says, what's the meaning of life? And he launches into, there's a jungle and there's panthers and there's snakes. TikTok sage.

I mean, like, this is probably the last thing you'll say. We're not going to resuscitate you. If you are feeling good enough to tell this whole story you might be able to Just get up There's a net around the jungle There's snakes at the bottom Listen he's not going to answer guys I don't think he knows

This guy doesn't know shit But yeah that's like this great grand Idea of what life is And I've like demoted it to just me fucking hating my lunch every day. I was completely lost this morning because I'm still, my body is still on East Coast time and we're on the West Coast. I went to sleep at like 8 p.m. last night and woke up at 4 and was just wandering around town. Nothing is open yet, even at like seven or six when i was when i was walking around and i finally found a little bakery that was open that opened like

right at 8 a.m and i walked in immediately and i'm looking around at like eggs and muffins and stuff and it's like no that's not what i need right now why is everyone trying to give me breakfast yeah yeah i know that feeling when my kids won't finish their breakfast and they're on Why is everyone trying to give me breakfast? Yeah. Yeah, I know that feeling. When my kids won't finish their breakfast and it's on their plates. And my wife is like, well, just eat it. And I'm like, no, we don't do that. Like, we, my brain and I, we don't do that.

We're not supposed to eat until a certain time. And I'm there and there's like egg white omelets. I'm like, no, I want fucking chicken tenders. Where are the chicken tenders in this bakery? You guys don't do beer battered shit here? What's the problem? We should do this show. No.

Well, speaking of the show and food, my cousin Ryan, who listens to the show, this might be like a scoop because I've talked about my stomach issues and how I went to the show, this might be like a scoop because I've talked about my stomach issues and how I went to the gastroenterologist and they didn't find anything wrong with my superior blood. Could be Lyme's disease.

I'll just say right now. That's going to be your one miracle diagnosis that just happened to line up perfectly. You're going to try it out every time now. Everything is Lyme's. Oh, honey, don't worry. It's just Lyme's disease.

Well, you guys want some Dicey Cycline? You'll wipe that right out. But he said he went through the same thing where he had stomach issues and he went to the GI and got the test. The tests were all fine. And then he cut out red meat completely. And his stomach was much better.

He hasn't had red meat in two years Did he become allergic to red meat? I don't know But I'm gonna try it. I keep saying I'm gonna try it But now we're a few days into August so like I'm I want to I want to like line up with a month That's easier to keep track of yeah, no I get it So so watch this space folks. I'm gonna stop eating red meat and see if that solves all of my problems. I wonder what will change in your life. If not this, like I wonder if anything noticeable will change.

I'm really curious too. How often would you say you're eating red meat? Very. Oh, really? Yeah. Fuck. I didn't, I'm not like making a steak dinner every night or anything like that. Yeah. I'm not like making a steak dinner every night or anything like that, but I'm having, I make

pasta at least once a week and I usually have leftovers and I will often make a different version of sausage pasta. Like whether I'm doing like medallions in there or like ground sausage mixed in for the meat sauce. And I didn't, I truly didn't realize how much red meat I was eating until I started thinking about this process. And like, I'm gonna do it.

I'm gonna cut out red meat. And then three days later I'm like, well I've had red meat every day this week. So that was a thing that I gave up. You cut out in college, right? Yeah. So I was like, but I will eat it occasionally. I'll eat some, like there'll be some bacon on something and I won't take it off. I'm not going to shy away from that.

Yeah. It's basically paper meat. Sure. It barely counts. Um, but I won't, yeah, I don't eat beef. I will eat red meat like once every six months or something like that. Uh, it hasn't made me any better. No.

or something like that. It hasn't made me any better. No. I mean, I'm getting closer and closer to, it's horrible to say, but like a vegan lifestyle. Because when I can't have dairy and I can't have eggs, it's so much easier at restaurants

to pick a vegan option. And vegan options are getting really good now. Because most people, like butter is a real killer for me. And it's just safer to do the vegan route because you don't have to worry. You know, there's no concern that something was cooked in butter. Yeah. So not only milk, but butter as well is a problem.

It's like, what about cookies? You can't just have a cookie? I haven't had a cookie in fucking years, man. Okay, so like cookies I eat about once a day. Yeah. That's like a thing that I'm going eat uh that's wild yeah i didn't know you couldn't do butter too yeah i'm sorry dan it's okay and i i feel like the biggest asshole in the world when i'm when like a friend or family members is hosting dinner and they're like we didn't put any cheese in anything like did you use butter

in stuffing oh shit like yeah i'm sorry no i cheese in anything. Like, did you use butter in the stuffing? Oh, shit. Yeah, I'm sorry. No, I'm an asshole here. You're right. You should cook with butter. It's great. You don't have to use the plant-based butter that I have at home.

You're like the girl in The Witch when the devil's wandering around her being like, would you like to taste butter? What? You've never seen The Witch. Yes, I have. The very end when her whole family's... Spoiler. When her whole family's dead and then she tries to make a pact with that goat. And then the goat gets up and

turns into a black Adam. He's wandering around her and he's asking her questions and the weirdest one is do you want the taste of butter? I don't think he does. I think he says, wouldst thou like to live deliciously? And then he gives her an example. Like, eat some butter.

Would thou like to live deliciously? Is that? And by that I mean, would you like to taste some butter? Gabe, does that happen? I don't remember it. Fucking take a pause. Black Adam was his name? I don't remember it let's fucking take a pause black adam was his name i don't know uh this is gonna give me some weird results of the rock yeah i don't think that's what i want uh the witch devil speech he asked her wouldst thou like taste of butter really a pretty dress wouldst thou like

to live deliciously the dress thing I forgot because that's obviously sure everyone wants a pretty dress but butter is such a weird thing for him to ask that it really stuck with me then I was like it that was actually the thing that made me think made me really sad about what the world used to be that no one could like no one like people just dreamt of butter yeah which is i'm surely the life you're living currently it's uh it's fine i mean it's i'm i'm so used to the things i can and can't have that it's it's all very uh normal to me it only gets gets depressing when sharing food with

my girlfriend and she has to comment on how I live. And she has the various dairy-free cheeses that I have in the apartment. There's some that she can accept and live with. And others, she'll bring her own cheese. No, I'm...

Because I've convinced myself, it's the same. It's just as good, this cheese. But then you'm... Because I've convinced myself it's the same. It's just as good, this cheese. But then you bring in an outside person who has, like, seen the sun and like,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's how I feel about meat substitutes. This is not... They... You're lying to yourself if you think they've perfected

fake Parmesan cheese. They simply haven't. Yeah. Occasionally I'll get, like, an impossible whopper or something like that. Yeah. Because my inability to eat red meat has not hindered my enjoyment of fast food in any capacity.

I figured out workarounds for everything. But I'll be like eating an impossible Whopper or a grilled cheese at In-N-Out and I'll be like, this is really good. This is really good. And people are like, try my burger. And I'll eat it and I'm like, yeah, that's way better. Yeah. That's really good i because of the the the dairy and egg stuff i really and i think if i give up red meat then you'll never

see me in a fast food place well there's nothing for you already there there's there's very little for me at least everything's in oil as opposed to butter there yeah because the oil is just cheaper but like possibly my favorite fast food situation del taco there is just nothing i can get there yeah or there's stuff that like yeah i want to be clear you probably could but who would want to you can get a burrito with rice and cheese rice and lettuce or some nonsense like that but like no that's not if i'm gonna go to del taco i'm going to poison myself like that's yeah that's the deal and i just i just choose not to anymore which is which is can i tell you a sad thing about i fell off on del taco as well del taco is also a shout out to del taco in this episode. And also this whole episode has just been derailed by our food,

our weird food idiosyncrasies. But yeah, I fell off on my fun bits in the beginning. That was good. That was actually worth it. I think that saved the whole episode. Thanks. I,

I fell off on Del Taco. And the reason is, is that I, the drink is just as important to me as the meal, the soda. Yeah. And like, there are some places that have like their proprietary soda,

like McDonald's has its own Coke. And there's nothing really for me at McDonald's, but I'll go drink a fucking Coke at McDonald's all day. They have their own Coke? Yeah. They still call it Coke. Yeah, it's still Coke, but they have like their proprietary mix of the carbonation and the syrup

that is different than everybody else's. And there's somebody who goes around them at McDonald's and tastes it and makes sure that it's right. So it's always going to be uniform across all McDonald's that you go to. Wow. And there are a couple of different things. People like rave about McDonald's Sprite.

There are a few different restaurants. Restaurants is so generous, but like a few different fast food spots that all do this. Del Taco is not one of them. And I'll tell you that the reason that they fell off for me was because I would get the Dr. Pepper there and it would end up tasting like strawberry Fanta

or whatever the fuck had been in the line before that and I was like they just don't care there forget it I'm not doing this anymore that was like so much of the meal is me just like having that first sip of soda which ugh dream about

so I don't famously don't drink soda and have i haven't for years and years and years but there's nothing you can eat i'm not allergic to soda i just don't it was like a really easy thing for me to cut out when i when i very early on was thinking about being healthier like this is some sugar that i don't need if i don't miss soda at all really i i it is um the only thing in my life where i would feel genuine panic if someone was like you're not allowed to do that anymore really yeah where i would be like um but all my happiness is derived from that yeah i think i i think i'd like to not do this anymore. Yeah. People call that addiction.

Is that right? No. No, I don't think so. Well, I hope that... I wish you luck with the red meat thing. Yeah. It's going to be another big headache for Shay, by the way. I know. It's going to be a pain in the ass.

And it's... As I... My spider sense tells me that i'm uh just at it for convenience sake going to eventually land mostly vegan i'm the the biggest hesitation is again family cooking for you it's like yeah i already feel like a pain in the ass going to Thanksgiving or Christmas, any of these holiday meals that someone else is cooking. And we have the special, the horseradish without dairy, just for you. I was like, you made homemade horseradish.

This just shoot me in the fucking head. I'm causing so many problems. It's a holiday. It's just me. And now I would add to that, like, have vegan options for Thanksgiving, please. Yeah, tofurkey. It's also gonna be

bullshit. Like, Thanksgiving, the whole enjoyment of Thanksgiving are very specific meals that you're just systematically cutting out of Thanksgiving. I did have vegan bacon this morning, and for all the progress that impossible foods and dairy-free things have made man the scientists are not working on getting bacon just right

they really they gave up well it's because they had such success with sausage that they were like bacon's just like icing on the cake they're're like resting on their laurels, their sausage laurels. Yeah. Because, yeah, like even turkey bacon is such a far cry from bacon. Yeah. They can't nail it. That's fine. I can live with that. I can also live with the fact that occasionally I end up accidentally eating bacon.

I also, and I'll say that the reason that I have like red meat every six months or whatever is because someone will serve it to me. And I'm at the point now where I'm, it's just easier for me to just fucking eat it than it is for me to be like can you please i need something else yeah unless i'm feeling like a real bitch and then i will be like no i need to go out i need to go to no you don't understand i need to go to arby's because i don't eat red meat i almost uh one positive thing about a dairy free lifestyle is like I'm never

craving ice cream or anything like that because it's been so long since I've had ice cream because that's such a concentrated amount of dairy and like there's a vegan spot that opened up near me that I went to for breakfast not too long ago and they have like a whole bunch of milkshakes that are dairy free.

They've really been working on it. I was like, I just don't, that's not like a hole that I have anymore that you're plugging. That said, I almost got in a fight with a 16 year old at an ice cream shop. Because they, like one of my biggest gripes about my dairy free life is like the ice cream shop they will they will now have a couple of vegan options most of them and uh it's

almost always a variation of chocolate this is a very hyper specific gripe that i have about vegan ice cream it's chocolate cookie whatever chocolate they can chocolate peanut butter or something. Because they can hide it. They can hide it. Yeah, yeah. And I never want that, like I almost never want ice cream, and I definitely never want chocolate ice cream. We went to this vegan place, or we went to this ice cream place

that had dairy-free vanilla, and I was so excited. I was like, I'm gonna get the vegan vanilla. I'm gonna get it, it's special today. I'm gonna get it, and I going to get a topping on it. And we put our, we gave them the money and then the 17 year old ran up to us and was like,

we're actually out of the vanilla. Is chocolate okay? And I went, no. And the person I was with was surprised. Yeah. And a little humiliated.

Because normally in that situation, in every other, in nine out of 10 times in that situation, I say, oh no, that's all right. Actually, I'm fine. But I was like, I was upset and I wanted this kid to be upset, too.

To have such a strong opinion about vanilla is a very... It's so sad. To be a guy who's like, but I wanted vanilla. sad to be a guy who's like but I wanted vanilla because the thing is it was really annoying because I never

I'm never like craving it I'm never going out of my way to do it and then finally I didn't even think I wanted it you were the ones who told me you had it I didn't come here for this you picked me up you promised me then you dropped me.

I trusted you. Yeah. No, I get it. I'm sorry that that happened, Dan. It's okay. What are you... I mean, so give me a second. Hold on.

I just need to ask, what is a dessert for you? I almost never have dessert. Is there anything that you could have? Is there something that you could go to and you'd be like, yeah, that's a Claire's. No, you can't have Claire's like something that you like go to and you'd be like yeah that's a claire no you can't have claire's i think that like that is specifically

not like it's like like made dairy-free and also yeah exactly a normal dessert that a person would have not a specialty vegan pie like baked goods are out the fucking window yeah and that's basically 90 of desserts yeah so what are you eating oh wait i guess pie with Crisco in it. Can you eat Crisco? Here's the thing about me before, like completely separate from my normal allergies, is I was never a dessert person. I was never a pastry person. I was never a pie person. Would have donuts growing up,

but even as a kid having a donut, I was like, this is a lot of fucking sugar i i can't i've never said that in my entire life i'll eat fucking 12 donuts i i'll eat like to the point where like i have to like i have to be cognizant of the fact that when i'm eating desserts that i'm not like making a big deal about or no one's really tracking how much of the sugar I'm actually eating. Because like I'll eat six desserts in a row. No problem.

Like I love dessert. I think for a while my sister-in-law and brother would have dessert with every single meal. I don't know if they still do, but that was like a part of her life growing up and it's become a part of like their normal life. And it wasn't for ours. Like dessert was a special treat every once in a while. Um, and now it's just not, it's not even factored into like my grocery shopping. It's, it never even occurs to me to think about dessert or that people, that other people in my life would have dessert and look for it. I think you and I started the same way and just went very branched out in very different directions like i was my the idea that we would have pudding or something like that at home was so exciting yeah because we just didn't get dessert and

occasionally we would have something and it was like yes man but then uh because of that because like i was deprived of it for so long that as an adult i'm like, and I'll just buy a cake. I feel like an alien if I'm going to family members for dinner and I'm like, what can I bring? And they're like, oh, just bring a dessert. I'm just like, oh, don't put me in response to that. Okay, I got some

Pop-Tarts. What do you guys do at this time? I brought a Albertson's pumpkin pie in March. Is everybody in the mood for some spiced pie? I'm not gonna eat it. I don't know why you freaks like it. But this was in the dessert section. Yeah.

I got you some Belvita crackers. But they look pretty sweet. Yeah, I'm surprised that it didn't take to you like it did to me because like that's the reason i like fast food too is i grew up in a very small town that did not have fast food it's like fast food was like a very special thing and now it's like a way that i treat myself in the same way dessert is um and my children were also notoriously bad eaters and

also underweight and they we were like in order to like fatten them up like we're a witch in a gingerbread house is that we give them ice cream every night great there's like a time a night when an alarm goes off and it's like it's seven you're allowed to have ice cream now i'm sure that's not gonna have any kind of pavlovian reactions down the line and my daughter doesn't know any other numbers other than the number seven because when it shows up on the microwave clock she's like it's seven it's seven and they get ice cream every single night because we're just trying to like get calories in them yeah and so i'm hoping that that they turn out like you where it's like they're so used to having it that they're like

that eventually they're like we don't need it anymore. Also, we're going to be really good people. Yeah. I feel like I've almost completely logicked myself out of fast food. Because I'm aware of how bad it is for me. And like the one-two punch of it's unhealthy. And if I'm going to get fast food, I'm going to get the kind that I'm actually allergic to. Right. And just like... You're just going to go for me. And like the one-two punch of, it's unhealthy, and if I'm gonna get fast food, I'm gonna get the kind that I'm actually allergic to. Right.

And just like, and decide that I'm gonna be sick the next day. And I just don't... It's almost never worth it for me to do that. Even though I know I love it. And if I just had it again, it would change my life. Do you feel the same way about alcohol?

No. What do you mean the same way about alcohol? No. What do you mean the same way? Same rule. Oh, that it's poison? It's poison. And it's, but it's a social poison.

And you know, like, yeah, you're actually right. Like fast food is such a secret poison. Yeah. It's like a poison you're going to do alone in your car. Um,

yeah, but yeah, like alcohol, it's same thing where it's, you, you know, you're going to feel terrible after you have it. You're like, I guess I'm allergic to alcohol. I feel terrible the next day after I use it.

But also like you want to, you're just, that's built into the equation. Like you know that bad feeling is coming. They also go hand in hand in a way that, which is another reason that i'm not eating as much fast food because i'm also not drinking the way that i used to in my 20s okay where like fast food was always a partner of drinking for me it's always like yeah it's i went out went out with co-workers and now i'm home and like that's exactly when the part of my brain that is like, you know you're allergic to cheese, and the part of my brain that is like, you know it's bad for you.

Anyway, that part, that guy's dead. Drunk brain took over and it's like, hey, now that it's just us, let's get Del Taco. Let's get some. Let's have it delivered here. You know what you deserve. I don't even think you are allergic to cheese. I think that's the other guy.

Let's do a quesadilla. Let's see what happens. Roll the dice. I found that in my late 20s that I was going out to bars at night and then on my way home, I'd always stop and get fast food. And a lot of times I was like, I should reward myself a little treat. I should have a milkshake. And then I realized like after a while, I was like, let's just like track how many nights

previously we've been having milkshakes. Oh, every night. Every night we have a milkshake every night now at like two in the morning. That doesn't seem healthy. Yeah. Maybe we should nip this in the bud. It was such a, like every bit of it was the worst possible version it could be. It was late at night.

It was too much food. It was food I'm allergic to. And I'm not going to drive if I'm drunk ordering fast food. So it's also like Postmates upcharged to fucking hell. Spending $38 on Poison Del Taco. A hungrover. What? I'm trying to come up with your word. Oh, we're still doing that?

That was this episode? I don't know. I don't know if it was this episode. A hungrover. Okay. I'll take that. Oh, we're still doing that? That was this episode? I don't know. I don't know if it was this episode. A hungrover. Okay. I'll take that. Folks, we did it. We solved it. It's got grover in it, which I'm not super psyched about, but yeah, it's that same feeling.

You feel so full that you're angry. The same way I get angry at myself when I'm hungover. Oh, I was wondering why it's grover, where the R is coming from, and it's because you can't... Hungry. Hungrover. You can't portmanteau just the first part of hungry because then it's hungover,

which is already a word. Yes. So you have to put the additional R in there. Yeah. It's not it either. We'll find it. Yeah. I'll find it.

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I spike camera. We gotta go again. I'm just like drawn to it in a way that, that feels, um, very self-absorbed and like, it satisfies this. It's itching me where I'm like,

ah, that's how i feel about the light that is making me crazy moth uh all right that's our show yeah bye i've got a quick quick question for you all right i want to hear your thoughts so i know what's on your mind i've got a quick, quick question for you, alright The answer's not important, I'm just glad that we could talk tonight So what's your favourite? Who did you get? When will I be remembered? What's it out there? Where did all that go?

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