Quick Question with Soren and Daniel - Pickleball for Powerful Podcasters | Ep. 296

Episode Date: August 19, 2025

Email the show at [e-mail], DM us on instagram, or leave a comment on YouTube to let us know where in the world you’d like to see the guys perform.Soren and Daniel cover a lot of ground this week: from Saw lore and the long overdue *Muppets Saw* starring Michael Caine, to Daniel’s glowing review of *Freakier Friday* (“movies are back”). They weigh in on the dubious “Most Powerful Podcasters” list, take swings at chicken cacciatore and oysters, and get into Daniel’s shocking breakup with ketchup. Also on the menu: raw-dogged hash browns, the defense of meatloaf, and why pickleball might just be an MLM for rich people.Thanks to ASPCA Pet Insurance for sponsoring this episode. **To explore coverage, visit ASPCApetinsurance.com/QUESTION.  The ASPCA is not an insurer and is not engaged in the business of insurance.**

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or United States Fire Insurance Company and produced by PTZ Insurance Agency Limited. The ASPCA is not an insurer and is not engaged in the business of insurance. I am Daniel Librainer at first. or last week tonight with John Oliver, I'm joined us always by Sorin Bowie, who writes for American Dad. Soren, let's get right into it. Saw a movie this week. Do you saw Saw? Saw a movie this week. Oh, I think you said Saw movie this week. That's what we're talking about. Saw number one. That's where we're starting. There's always a good chance that there is a saw movie

premiering any given week. That's true. It's such a persistent franchise that when it first came out, I would see every one of those movies. And then I dipped out for a while and came back and was shocked at how much lore had taken over that franchise and how you were supposed to like, know who people were from thing to thing. More than just the puppet. By the way, I saw some of, I saw a motorcyclist out on the road who had the puppet on the back of his motorcycle. And like, you know, this sometimes put stuffed animals on their bike. maybe for the dynamic, I'm not really, the juxtaposition, I'm not really sure why they do it. But he had the saw one and it was like life-sized saw one.

And I really liked that because I thought if that, if I'm ever driving a motorcycle and I'm an asshole, I could just like point to it. I don't, I don't have a choice. He's making me do it. I'm in the middle of a very big maze right now. You don't understand. I'm going to die if I don't do this. I'm very surprised for all of the blood that hard. has squeezed from stones yeah and the longevity of that franchise that they

haven't constructed a scenario where the jigsaw puppet is itself alive in one of these things because it seems like so many of these franchises at a certain point throw out all of their own rules and it doesn't matter we're making a Freddie Krueger movie about making Freddie Krueger movies and he is a character who kills West Craven in the movie Everything gets like meta and crazy subtextual and meta textual and insane. And it just seemed like that Sawpuppet is so iconic and the reveal in the first episode of the franchise where it's like, oh, the puppet is just a puppet. It's like this guy who's the real jigsaw.

I understand that. You're grounding your thing by Saw 7. Strike the puppet by lightning. Let it run around and torture people. I say, and then an eight, honestly, do a Muppet's version. Do a Muppet's version of a song. Let Jigsaw be the jigsaw. And I don't know, one human.

Michael Cain can be there still. Of course. He's done that work. He understands what is needed of him. Okay, you saw a movie. What did you see? It did. I saw Freakier Friday, Soren.

Why? Why, it was great? In a theater. You went and saw Freakier Friday. And was it worth it? Yes. It's fun to see it in a theater with people. I mean, it's fun to see all movies and theaters with people.

It's a very exciting thing. First of the demographic of your theater. Is there anybody like you there? We sat in a row with what seemed like three generations of the same family of women. Really enjoying freakier frie or friend. Friday, which is like a really wholesome group to be going to this movie. That makes sense. A whole family with like a mom who maybe watched it when she was a little kid with the,

what was the first girl in it? It's the same girl. It's Lindsay Lohenka and Jamie Curtis. Oh, yeah, you're right. They did the Freaky Friday where they were the daughter and mom swapped and it was great and they learned a lesson. And then Freakier Friday, Lindsay Lohan now has. a daughter of her own she's a single mom and she meets manny ysinto a single dad with a daughter of his own

and their daughters don't get along lindsay and manny are going to get married and the the friday before the wedding there's a four-person freaky friday swap where one of the girls is now jimmy lee curtis vice versa lindsay is her daughter her daughter is lindsay and it's a an adventure that spans a weekend and has everyone going all over LA to try to end the curse or if you're one of the kids you want to end the marriage before it happens because they're both opposed to the marriage and everyone learns a lesson by the end and there's fun hijinks and it's a lot of the beats are the exact beats from the first freaky Friday but you just don't care it's just it's it's it's soaring it's a it's a good old-fashioned good comedy

where every bit part is played by a phenomenal improv comedian that is allowed to just run. It's like, all right, we've got Lindsay Loewan and Jamie Lee Curtis. They're over here, and they're going to play pickleball against. Why? Who's that? It's June Diane Raphael. And who's this over here?

It's Vanessa Bayer. Everyone is someone great, and they get a few minutes of screen time, and they just fucking deliver. They just score after score. everyone has fun there's physical comedy there's heart there's music all the stuff you can want in a movie movies are back Lindsay Loan is stuck no no you're going to announce that movies are back because of Freaky Friday it's frankly too many too many freaky's in that Friday that I would have a hard time giving track I want to know first of the main characters

who's actually doing work like who is when you see the kids are they trying to ape Jamie Lee Curtis or Lindsay Lohan respectively or no No, I wouldn't say they're trying to ape. There's no interest. Specific people. They're just trying to be older. And the older people are just trying to be younger. We don't really, frankly, get enough time with anyone individually to see, like,

because there's too many freakies. There's just way too much business. Like, the movie, I will say a knock against the movie is that they need to spend some time catching you up from everything that happened from the first. Freaky Friday, Jamie Lee Curtis is a successful author and podcaster now, and Lindsay Loanne is a manager for musicians and she's no longer in the band that was very important to her at the end of the first Freaky Friday. She has a kid and she's raising it by herself. And then we meet this whole other family. And like when the movie, the movie doesn't start with.

I am in a loving and successful relationship and we're getting married this weekend. The movie starts before Manny and Lindsay have met and we have to do so much table setting to get together. Why? Yeah, they need to get together and then we need a bunch of time to establish that the two daughters who just met don't get along

and then we like do a time jump from the prologue to get to their engagement and it's like, this is a lot of business to swap those fucking bodies. I don't know if you remember Dana. When was the last time you watched Mrs. Delfire? It's been a minute. Okay. Well, Mrs. Dalfire, you may not remember this, but you remember Pierce Brosnan is the antagonist

because Sally Fields is interested in Pierce Brosnan. That doesn't happen until about 40 minutes into the film. There is, you watch a healthy relationship, go into a bad relationship, into a divorce, into a custody battle, into her finding somebody new before like the movie even takes off before you even get a Mrs. Doubtfire moment

I feel like we talked about this when I watched Jumanji a couple of years ago and how what a specific how 90s movies were just allowed to breathe more than whatever of today were like Mrs. Doubtfire the poster is Robin Williams dressed as an old Scottish woman

we can't wait to see that happen and there truly is like 35 minutes before he even comes up with the idea maybe I can be the nanny. Because not only does he need to get divorced from his wife, he needs to lose his job, he needs to get a job, a court-mandated job that is not right for him, yeah.

Not right for him and not like giving him enough money to support his kids and give the life they want. It really, they need to move so many chess pieces to corner us into a scenario where it is inevitable that he has to put on a dress and be Mrs. Doubtfire. And the audience, I think today's audience

would just be like, he, get to the doubtfire. I bought tickets for Rob Williams in a dress. Put him in the fucking dress. What are we doing? Play dude looks like a lady

and let me watch a montage. Yeah, that movie starts with a cartoon and is a cartoon that lasts nine or ten minutes and you're like, what am I, what's going on here?

And it's a cart, it's like a Tweety Bird Sylvester type of cartoon. But it's him getting, like culminates with him being doing the voiceover and then getting fire. from the job but you watch so much of the cartoon like they made a cartoon for this movie and it's

crucial setup too because like he gets fired from this job because um he's doing uh live voice animation for a cartoon that's already been drawn and he refuses to say the lines when like a mouse is smoking a cigarette or a cigar it's a bird yeah it's a bird smoking a cigar uh and he is supposed to do lines that are pleasant, but he decides to go off script and talk about how, and like, he's coughing. Oh, they put it the lungs. Oh, I can take it. Cineries are bad. Yeah. And his boss is like, just do the lines. And he's like, no, that's a bad message.

Like, we needed to do that to establish that Robin Williams cares about sending good messages to children. So the audience is on his side when he, um, uh, kidnaps his own children and, and lies and gas license family? Yeah. I miss it. I miss when movies were allowed to take their time. I have had my dog, Jackson, since 2012. He was six months old. He was high energy and very stupid. And very little has changed about him. He is still high energy. He is still very stupid. He is still my best friend in the whole world. There is not a thing I would not do for Jackson. Jackson, if you are listening, go to sleep. This podcast is on way past your bedtime. When you have a pet,

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And I did really want... Are you just out of movies? What the fuck is your life? Like, I'm so jealous that you go to the movies and you're like, well, I've seen all these. I haven't seen Freakier Friday. I can go watch that. I think it's just like a good time for movies. I think it's a good...

The movies are, I don't know if you heard, back. And it's really exciting that. I still need to see weapons. I still need to see the Fantastic Four movie. That's maybe not great. It's a really thrilling time for me. I do want, and I'm certain I'm not the first to have this thought, but I want 15 years or 20 years later freakyest Friday

where Lindsay swaps with dead Jamie Lee Curtis because we haven't had body swap where... Dead body. Where one of them is like Lindsay Lowen as Jamie Curtis as zombie body. and then meanwhile Lindsay Lohan and the actress has the brain of a dead person Yeah

It's there's a lot of fun It might be a sketch and not a movie But it just seems like that could be a pretty fun No that's weekend at Bernie's basically That's great fun I am curious Like when he's a zombie I mean Weekend of Bernie's too

What I should have clarified Is it Um How Neither one of these kids that they swatch swap with are boys No That feels like the evolution right Is that you put

you have a mom like and let's say it's Lizzie Lohan she's got a teenage son she doesn't know how to relate to him they have there's like some weird dynamics going on because he's like going through puberty and stuff like that and it's hard to be the mom of a boy when he's got all those hormones and he's also

angry all the time and then they swap bodies and so she has to better understand him which was the whole fucking point of Freaky Friday in the first place because better understanding somebody of a different age but also now you have her as her own son Yeah.

Dealing with girls and stuff like that. Like, that's great. That's a lot of fun. There was, famously in Freaky Friday, there was, Lindsay Lowen's character did have a younger brother who was like constantly starting shit with her. And it wasn't until Jamie Lee Curtis body swapped into her daughter that she realized, oh, my son is a real piece of shit.

Like, I thought, I thought my daughter was rotten. But it's really this little prick who's always instigating. things. And that boy is also in Freakier Friday, and no one ever swaps with him. He is just even more background this time around than he was before. But older. But older. And time has been less kind to him than, say, Chad, Michael Murray, and Jamie Lee Curtis. Yeah. And June Diane Raphael. Yeah. She really does play pickleball, like an excellent pickleball player from what I understand. Yeah. So tight cast there.

Yeah. I mean, that makes sense. Los Angeles and pickleball is, is, uh, yeah, let me open the door for you. Basically, a multi-level marketing scheme. This is not something that I participate in, but I do know of it. There are, yes, there are basically, uh, celebrity pickleball clubs. Yes. Where all these people from Hollywood, they don't allow anyone in who is not, who's not famous.

And then they get together and they have these pickleball games with just each other where they can finally let their hair down and relax because they're among their peers, where they had to be so buttoned up when they're among potential fans or nobody's gross. I read something in a book not too long ago that was just like talking about economics and corporations and abuse and was saying that. I'm going to, I'm going to mis-paraphrase it, misquote it. Misparrifice. Just paraphrase. All things being equal, corporations would prefer very, very wealthy people as their targets. Like the system right now is like definitely screws over poor people more than anyone else in the world. But like the ideal customer is rich idiots with too much money.

I'm not calling June, Diane Raphael. a rich idiot or anything like that but I I you can sort of see when like a lot of people are talking about pickleball and it's centered very much on like the pickleball courts that are being built in the Hamptons and Santa Monica and the Palisades and how it's like really it seems like it's catering to wealthy people as what they're selling is exclusivity and like they're also selling this is the newest thing this is like a new healthy thing that anyone can do they're really just like i mean there's no way pickleball is bad for you you're moving you're exercising it's a new way to to trick rich people out of their money and i love it i'm very

happy it well it's a game everybody's good like i don't know if you ever played pickleball but the many you pick it up you're like oh shit i'm yeah i'm a pro right which is fine like in my the old uh beach town where i used to live was full of old people And they love pickleball because they can't really move around to do tennis, but they can play pickleball and they're really competitive with it. And it's very fun. That spread to the rich people is what makes it more of a MLM to me or some kind of like Ponzi scheme where you've got like you read these articles where it's like Tom Brady and LeBron James are

co-owners of a pickleball league because some fucking person told them that pickleball is going to be the next football. Yeah. And I love that they were tricked. and they put so much money into it. It's, it's, I'll say, so June, Diane Raphael is a voice on our show. She is. Her and Casey Wilson are the two ladies of this show called Morning Momosa.

Morseh and Sus, and they're so funny, but Jun Juna and Raphael is the kindest person. Both of them, both Casey Wilson and June Dian and Raphael, when they show up for their records, they've just come from tennis or they've just come from Pickleball every single time. like they're still in their whites and they're like like their days are oh I have to do all these recreational sports in the morning and then I go do some voice records for a little while and then that's the day that is so awesome I love it that's so nice maybe well you know she's got to record her podcast she's got to do some she's on how this how did this get made right um yeah that sounds right okay um speaking of podcast should we get into it soren podcast oh shit we should be

doing our podcast right now. Score in. The list is out. I don't know if you saw the traits today. 44 most powerful players in podcast in 2025. I didn't even look at it because I assumed we were on the list and I wanted to look at it live. Do you think we're top five?

I think if not five, ten for sure. I mean, top of, if not five, at least six. Michael Barbaro. Is there a way to do a control, F? there's because I'm sensing for your face that we're not showing up yet which is confusing to me control left doesn't seem to be working on this I mean what's that is the list three no it's 44 most powerful players of podcasting huh yeah well it's it's hard for them look I'm gonna give them a little bit of credit here because or some rope in that there's two of us and that makes it

tough yeah you can't like you you only have room for 40 people so it's entirely possible and I don't want you to feel bad about this Daniel if you don't make the list and I do. Can we say Megan Kelly is a podcaster and Tucker Carlson? Aren't they just doing what they've been doing? I don't know. I mean, it doesn't seem

fair. Somebody's on Twitter. Obama! I think she has a very popular podcast, actually. It's crazy because you're going down the list and you're hitting people that I'm pretty sure I'm more influential in and yet, you haven't said my name yet. I feel like, I mean, Amy Poehler's on here and she's got a new podcast.

I mean, this is the thing, though. She's... I do know hers. Her podcast has not been out for a year. Is she one of the 44 most powerful podcasters? Has she... We've been... Let's see Amy Poehler do a podcast that no one wants for seven years.

And let's see if she's still doing it. Because what we have... more than any of these people is longevity. No, no, we don't have Matt Rogers and Bowie. I have been doing it way longer than us. Yeah. Woof. There's going to be some barstool boys on there.

Yeah. Oh, did our buddies Nick Weiger and Mitch make it, make the list? Let's see. No. Doe boys? No, no. No, no. Fises.

that's a travesty of violent list Amy Poehler that's not fucking fair because all she I don't know if you listen to any of the podcast but it is just her having Annie Sandberg on or somebody and being like now let's talk about who did you like on Parks and Rec

who did you like on Brooklyn 99 you're like what are we doing it's a very engaging podcast and I like it a whole lot it's I'm I don't want this to turn into too much of a rant especially not about Amy Poehler whom I love but I as the

it does feel like so much of the world is hell bent on consolidating money to smaller and smaller groups of people and every year there are more already rich and famous celebrities

starting podcasts to get more of the podcast a pile of of money and I don't know I guess it's I can't be mad at the market even though yes I can't because we're out of the fucking wind don't tell me I can't be mad at something we're not at the bottom of that pile either it's not totally no we kind of did the same thing but at a different tier a different rung than they're on still this rung's pretty high I can't touch the ground this is nice let's see what we what we can do with a podcast I think

the farther we get away from Crack's heyday, the more we can get plausible deniability and pretend we're like startup DIY podcasters, which is where I would just like to be self-wrageous about something.

Yeah, all right. Hey, I was on the place where I switched through the channel's really fast called Facebook. Facebook. And I got one that was, maybe I might be calling out Gabe here. I don't know.

I don't know if I am or not. But I got to this one that was a clip from a podcast, these two guys talking, and it was a stitched. It was stitched of these two guys talking. And they're saying back and forth that like, you know what I think is really funny is when there's like a dude in his 30s who suddenly gets really in shape. Like, what the fuck is that guy doing? And then they're both like ripping on, like, just like riffing on like how silly it is

that guys in their 30s would like get healthy. It's stitched. So it's obviously some other person who then is like, Hey, fuck these guys. If people want to get healthy, they get healthy. Now, here's why I'm bringing it up. The set that they're on, the same set we used for our podcast. So, Gabe, I don't know if you want to address these allegations.

They saw our podcast and they saw how we were fit for no reason. And they decided I needed to take to the airways. We talked about it. We talked about our fucking. fitness journeys. You're talking about the brickwalled one with the guitars? Huh. I don't know. I don't know anything about that.

Yeah. Podcast slot pays the bills. Yeah. These two guys and I'll... But I would be interested in singing if you can find it. I'll see if I can dig it up. And these two guys, not... I mean, it was, there was clearly something else going on there. This was not about the dudes in their 30s who were getting in shape. It was about these two gentlemen.

But to have somebody else who, if you're having like a sort of like a selfish and dark thought about yourself and then somebody else is like, hey, it's not your fault. It's somebody else's fault. You're like, I am on board with that. And then you'll talk about that for as long as you can because I've been there before. I had a crisis when I was listening to the Smartless podcast that I listen to every week, which is three famous people who increasingly get more money and jobs. they had Mark Maren on their podcast and he was talking about how no one knew what podcasts were when he started and now ever you just scroll through Instagram and you see podcast clips of two white guys in microphones talking about the last time they shit themselves and I was really listening to that and thinking no I don't think we've talked about that once on the show but like it was I had to think about it wasn't thank you for the idea Mark we thought the well was dry that's why he is the godfather of podcasting

I just threw that idea out for free that's gonna be 45 minutes of content for us all right do you want to start this actual podcast since we're not on that list that's disappointing can you tell me did you start at number one or did you start at 40 44 or whatever I started at 44 no I started at one

how does Hollywood Reporter do their list this is one yeah I want to know who's at the I want to know the fringe. I want to know who's at the back of that who just made the list. The first person we see is the smart list guys. That can't be, they can't be started from 44. No. And so the bottom of the list here. Give me the drugs. No, this is wrong too. Andrew Schultz. No, he's way more popular than we're ever going to be. Oh, fuck. I think that there are just more podcasts. It's just a list of 44 people. Yeah, because I think in my mind, there are a hundred and I'm like I surely like we're at the top half of that right

I know some people who make podcasts and 12 people listen to that we've got at least 20 we are less powerful than Josh Lingren Carolyn Edwards Ben Davis Marissa Hurwitz these agents all right well let's get into our podcast let's see if we can turn the numbers around here great and I've got just the top Daniel, when was the last time you shit your, no, I wanted to ask you because this came up for my family recently. Is there a meal? And it's like a, it would be like a Coke of Von or like some sort of meal like a lot of people know. And no matter how it's ever made, even at its very best, you think this meal fucking sucks and you can't believe that everybody is so in on it, that it shows up on menus and stuff like that. Like how did this, where is your? taste completely steer off the skit, off the rails compared to everybody else's. I actually have two pretty interesting answers for this. Yeah. Okay. Let me just give you mind like the reason it came up was that we do this, this food service that's kind of like

a blue apron type of thing where you get a box and then you make it. And we got to go through it every week like Columbia House where if you don't go through and figure out what you want, they send you a thing that you're like, no one wanted this shot day. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, they send you a crazy train. And you're like, oh, damn it. Collective soul. So one of the meals on there, and my wife was like seriously considering it was chicken cacciatore. How do you feel about chicken cacciatore? Do you even know what it is? I've heard it so much. Look at it. Look at it. And then I'm going to describe it to you. It is a chicken dish that is,

Usually it's like a tomatoy sauce that's around it, but I would not call it a marinera. It's not as thick as a mariner. It's like a more watery tomato sauce that has olives in it and some other kind of like veggies that also aren't generally particularly cooked. It just feels like an undone sauce. Is it a stew? This website says it's a stew. Yeah, I don't think it's usually served over noodles or anything. I think it's its own.

it's its own beast. Do you know chicken cacciatore? I don't think I put it on pasta. You can put on pasta. I've never had it before. I don't think. Looking at it, it is not like dissimilar from the kind of sauces that I will make and put on pasta.

When I see like chicken, peppers, mushrooms and a tomato base, even when you throw in olives, that just tells me it's from Sicily or Sardinia or something like that. somewhere so yeah this is this would not be out of place in our home i would judge it up a bit but nothing seems um there are combinations of these ingredients that i genuinely do love a chicken parm something where anything where there's like even like the sauce is a little bit more of a sauce chicken catatari is the type of dish where you pour it on and it all just drains right if you put it on noodles it all just went and dig drains right through the noodles you know like your noodles look wet afterwards but they don't look sauced I don't understand why anyone likes this meal

I've had it and even at a good restaurant I've tasted it and been like this is this sucks why has anybody eaten this? Why did this come up for you recently so we're we in this the food service thing that we do oh right this is one of the options yeah and I was like no no I'm not getting chicken catchetory I'd rather have chicken friction And I don't even like that. I have two. One of them is a food that I do eat. But I think it falls into, like, I understand why people would say that they don't understand or fuck with oysters.

Because I will have oysters. I'll make a... That's a divisive one anyway. I get that. I'll make a day of it. But I don't think I can really. like justify it like i completely understand everyone's objections to it and i have never done a successful job like selling it to someone else i can't be like well do you do you like

uh like goops of different sizes that that that feel weird and like it's it's a little bit bad but you can squirt a hint of something that you like better on top of it then you'll like oysters it's you know I'm selling a bunch of different textures all at once in your in different areas that and it feels like maybe you just bit into a vein yeah it's that and like if you like hot sauce uh put hot sauce on this much worse thing and that'll get the hot sauce right in you it is I mean it's been so long since I learned how to eat oysters but it is very funny to think but like you're like here's this this muscle that we pride out of a shell you got to try it and it's like that looks like snot and they're like yeah yeah it's going to

it tastes like snot, but get it in you. And then you put it in your mouth and the first bite you take someone goes, oh, no, don't chew it. Yeah. You're like, well, what the fuck are we doing? Am I just supposed to swallow this giant dump of cum? What am I doing? And also the people like me who are like, no, no, no, you want to put some some of this mignon on there and you want to like a squirt a lemon and there's some cocktail sauce you can put in. There's different like shave ice you could put on top of it. Yeah. What else can I put on this to disguise what it is? how else can I trick my body? But the food that I grew up not liking

and will never I don't think I ever need to try it. You could tell me it's a really good one. You could tell me this is a restaurant that's known for it. I don't care. I'm going to be 40 in a few months. I don't want meatloaf. I'm not interested in meatloaf.

I don't think it can be good. I think there are better things to do with beef than a loaf of meat. There are so many different ways meat can be put in me and loaf style is not on my list. Fascinating. I love meatloaf. And it's one of the things I miss most about beef. Really? Yeah.

In fact, I've made it with ground turkey before. It's not the same. But it is like, it does scratch the itch a little bit. But when you get a meatloaf that's got like some good onions in it and you douse it and ketchup, and you just like, you take your hold and you just like press it down. So you get those fork patterns in that's pushing ketchup down into the meatloaf. I could eat a whole meatloaf myself. You know what is one of the most surprising things about my evolving tastes as I've got older is I don't think I like ketchup. anymore. Whoa. I know. Whoa. I didn't think that was a thing you could fall out of love with.

And I used to, I'll still put ketchup on a hot dog because I think that's the best thing to do. But I'll go, no fries. I'll go raw dog some fries. I'll get pretty just on natural with fries and I'll just eat them sans ketchup. I've even had like a couple of burgers where I didn't have ketchup, but there was some like other sauce that the burger came with and I just respect the sauce that they put on there or I'll put on like a vegan mayo from having a turkey burger and time was I would put ketchup on everything I would I would heat up some naked noodles and put ketchup on them as a quick fucking meal and I would love it and there was a time of my life where I thought I think the thing that I like most is ketchup and everything else is just a way to get ketchup into me

And at this point, it's not that I am repulsed by ketchup or anything, but when you just talked about meatloaf with ketchup on it, that specifically was like, this is, this is, this is why this is a bad meal because you're just trying to hide its sins with ketchup and, and I think it just compliments it. I see what you're saying. It's a very powerful. Ketchup is like its own thing. But it, I love the, like the texture of meatloaf. I love everything. I like the crust on. the outside I can house a meatloaf and I get it is like traditionally in sitcoms and stuff it's like oh meatloaf again nobody likes meatloaf nobody wants meatloaf except me and I love it I think a lot of people like it I think my my parents make it my my mom allegedly has a very good meatloaf now that she says she has changed the recipe from when we were kids and I'm I'm still just like that's I don't trust you I don't believe you and and I don't and maybe it's not even the recipe Maybe just meatloaf is not for me. My sister-in-law is always talking about her meatloaf, so I might try that.

But even then when she's talking about it, her and my brother are just like, it's like meatballs. I'm like, no, it's not like meatballs. Because if it were like meatballs, then it would be just a little bit, and it would be mixed with beautiful and perfect pasta that saves everything. But you're expecting me to eat an entire football of ground beef. And I just, it seems like, and I don't mean to disrespect the poor, but it seems like a Depression-era meal that never had the globe that a lot of other Depression-era meals received. So, wait, you like eat a meatball sandwich.

You love meatballs. Absolutely. What the fuck is the difference? It's just breadcrumbs, onions, spices. It's just like, it's a bigger load. It's a bigger caliber. I think asked and answered. That's too much.

It's like a slice, like cutting it like bread maybe is where the problem comes in. Yeah, it's cutting it like Brent. It doesn't seem like a very well thought out meal. It really, I know I've said Depression era, and I really like what I said. I really stand by that as like, we got our crate of government meat, And it's going to go bad. What can we do with this meat? And it's just like, bake the meat.

And that's what they did. And they didn't do anything to it. And they've left it that way for 150 years. You know how else I've tried to scratch the it? Just with nut loaf. What's nutloaf? Is it what it sounds like? Is it like meatloaf but nut?

Yeah. It's like meatloaf, but they're trying to capture the same essence and texture and everything, but they're doing it with nuts. Colleen's parents make it, and I love it. Same thing. Got to put a bunch of ketchup on that. Squish it in. in. That's the important part. I need a fork. I need to squish the ketchup in. And then I'm

going to have a bunch of nutloaf. Nutloaf. Yeah. Is the nutloaf the centerpiece of the dish? Yes. We're having nut milk tonight with we're going to have some asparagus on the side maybe, but we're going to have a nut loaf. And you know what? You know when you're eating meat, when you're eating ground beef and you get like you're tasting little pieces of cartilage occasionally? Like you're getting something that's a little tougher, like a little stone of something in there. Sure. It's just chewy. It's not like real bone or anything. Nutloaf, it's almost all that. You're eaten and like every single bite is like, yeah, it's like, you know it's not, but you, it doesn't, the texture wise, like you're crunching down on what feels like maybe some gristle,

every single bite. I can't, am I describing it well enough? Are you enjoying it? And you know, you think you might want to try it? I think you're describing it accurately. Nutloaf, yeah, look it up. It looks like a meatloaf. It's delicious, though. It's absolutely delicious, and you could do it as a meal. I don't know what's going in there that's making it so savory, because it's vegan generally. But they unlocked the secret. They figured it out.

I don't think they did. It looks like multi-grained bread. Yeah. Yes, it does. Very much so. But thicker. Obviously, thicker. And that's it.

You're not putting anything on it. You're not doing like a tuna sandwich on top of it. So, I want to go back to ketchup really quickly. You know that ketchup is in a bunch of other sauces, too, like that it's the base of a lot of Asian sauces. Ketchup itself? Yeah. Tomato and sugar and whatnot?

It's vinegar and sugar, yeah. Like, anything that's got gochi-chang in it, like that's got a lot of, usually that has ketchup in it as well. So you get, like, a lot of dipping sauces that are that. There's like, I think poison sauce has ketchup in it. Sweet and sour sauce a lot of times has ketchup in it. I believe it. I mean, it's, I don't, again, I'm not.

I'm not averse to it, and I, I'm sure there are enough of it ingredients in the barbecue sauce that I will like on a burger. Yeah, that's right. But as far as like, wow, I'm, I'm, just eat ketchup. I'm not being helpful or relatable. I'm just, I'm thinking about the amount of ketchup that I used to have relative to what I have now. And not even talking about, like, as a kid or even in my 20s, I mean, like, like two years ago. the amount of ketchup I had versus what I have now.

I'm just, it's not there anymore. Yeah. Wait, you also don't have kids in your house. Do you eat peanut butter? I don't eat peanut butter because your wedding vows told me that peanut butter was bad for the chimpanzees. No, orangutan. Yeah. Take that out of context to everybody.

At Daniel's wedding, I mean, at my wedding, I stopped Daniel from eating peanut butter. In his vows. Some of my wedding vows. He was like, I don't think I can Okay There's one thing I need to do with my single life Before I commit to my life And it's

Daniel put the peanut butter down right now And I was eating it Out of his fight out of it Yeah That's right you had to put That's right It was embarrassing for you Because you had a mouthful

Whenever when we said that Um You can have peanut butter In fact I encourage you too Because when eventually You have kids in your house peanut butter will be a staple and it is delicious

it's like a wonderful thing just don't get it with palm oil in it that's all right they make different ones that don't have palm oil you're all set and there's some other things about peanut oil like

if you get peanut butter that's got trans fats in it or partially hydrogenated fats in it not so hot for your body pretty bad for your arteries but they make it without that stuff too and they still make it delicious you don't just have to get the kind

that you mix yourself and taste like sandpaper you don't have to do that I do love peanut butter, and I love it with nuts in that. Like, I like the crunchy peanut butter. I, I, we don't have, we almost never have bread in the house. And peanut butter jelly is my main peanut butter thing. I don't know, maybe if I have, I'm trying to think what else. I know what one can put peanut butter on.

So I don't need anyone telling me what I can put peanut butter on. Yeah, please, please beemptively tell. everyone don't fucking send me stuff that should have people are writing in like why just put peanut butter on apples i like apples by themselves i don't want peanut butter there my i mean ketchup on apples that's the best of course i love a peanut butter and jelly sandwich that sometimes it's the only thing in the world that you want but apart from that like i don't peanut butter isn't going anything else for me there's like the stuff like apples that i like apples without peanut butter and there's the other thing is that people swear by like celery, and I don't like celery. So there's not, I'm a man

without a country when it comes to peanut butter. I mean, on a lot of fronts, I'm now trying to picture your fridge or your house, and I don't even know what you guys would have in your pantry because you can't have eggs, you can't have dairy, you can't have butter, which I guess qualifies as a dairy. And then you also, you're not going to have bread in your house? We will get bread, like, we will have, we'll, like, go out and, you'll, like, go out and especially get some bagels if we want to have bagel sandwiches one morning and just go nuts with some bagels. Or if I'll make sausage and pepper sandwiches once every two weeks probably, and I'll go out and I'll get some really nice bread for that.

Okay. And if we have any leftover bread, then the next day, I will eat it plain. I will just like cut off little bits and pieces of the bread and eat it because bread is so fucking. Good. Yeah. But we just don't. We just can't have it. Nut butter or whatever you've got on it.

Delicious. Um, let me join you through a scenario and like, maybe you just haven't done this enough in a while or, or what? Oh, wait. It's now occurring to me that you used to eat ketchup on lots of stuff. It's now occurring to me that used to have ketchup on things that shouldn't even have ketchup, mac and cheese. What do you mean it's now occurring to you?

Did that not occur to you minutes ago when I said I used to put ketchup on pasta? I meant that when we were in the same space at the same time, occupying the same space. I used to watch you put it in mac and cheese. Yeah. Microni cheese and some ketchup. Not anymore, though. Yeah. Okay, so let's say you and I are going to IHop to our anniversary or something.

Okay. We're trying to, we're trying to fulfill Mark Maren's dream and turn this to a podcast about shitting ourselves. But sure, we're at IHop. We're going for something special, obviously. So we're dressed up. Maybe, right? We just came from your church. Okay.

And we sit down, weirdly, there's lots of places to sit. No one else is there. We don't understand why, but we're not going to overthink it. Yeah. And we're both squinting because it's so fucking bright. And I hop, it's lit like a middle school cafeteria. We do get a lot of time to explore the different syrups on the table, though, before our menus even arrive.

because they've got 50 different kinds. And when you order, you're going to get hash browns, obviously. If you're going to go to a greasy spoon, you've got to get hash browns. When those hash brown come, are you just going to raw dog those hash browns? Depending on what else is on my plate, because I will, if I've got some bagel and some sausage, I will put the hash browns and the sausage into the bagels to make a little sandwich. And I will put pure Jersey style salt pepper, salt pepper. ketchup on that sandwich.

Okay. All right. Break with a sandwich gets ketchup all day. Okay. And I think hash browns in general, that's my favorite vehicle for ketchup. I mean, I can go bare bones on fries. But if I get hash browns, it'll ruin the hash browns for me if I can't put as much ketchup on there as there are hash browns.

The only reason you think hash browns are the best vehicle for ketchup is because you don't eat hot dogs anymore. That's a fact. That's a fact. That's another thing where turkey just doesn't cut it. We've done dogs at our house, and my kids are like, I don't like hot dogs. I'm like, you do. You just haven't had you that.

I gave you these turkey dogs. I fucked you up. I'm sorry. Have you ever tried the smart dogs, like the vegan soy hot dogs? They're such trash. They're such trash. They're so sad to make because you read the end. instructions and the instructions are like just you can eat it raw if you want just like

heat it until it's time it doesn't it will not get better than it is from the package yeah yeah should I heat this uh yeah you could yeah sure you get whatever's big too it's it's there's no structural stability there in those vegan ones it's like what you want is that snap of a casing yeah and then to have a congealed meat inside. What you're getting instead is a bite through a mealy apple, I think is like the best way I can describe it. It's like, there's no give anywhere until you've got it on your tongue.

And then it's like, oh, I guess I just chew this with my tongue. There's some weird, like, air pockets inside of a soy hot dog. There's, like, just, like, holes in there. It's like, surely, it's not going to taste good. It's not going to cook well. Surely you could have made it nice for the people. is that dogs have gotten to the age where you can like stuff cheese in them. We figured that technology out.

We like, that was a leap forward for humanity when you could put cheddar inside of a hot dog. Or you put, you get a sausage and you put some apple in it or like something else. You can dress these things up, but the vegan people are like, no. Yeah. We know those other things are vegan, but that's not what we're doing here. Yeah. We're making straight textured vegetable protein in tomb form. Well, that's our podcast, ladies and gentlemen.

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