Quick Question with Soren and Daniel - QQ ep 50 - WE MADE IT 50 EPISODES!

Episode Date: July 31, 2020

Our 50th episodes! Unfortunately we don't address the milestone at all in the episode, instead the guys talk about other stuff.  As always, big thanks to RAYCON!  Get 15% off your order at buyraycon.com/QQ

Hello again and welcome to another episode of Quick Question with Soren and Daniel, a podcast where two best friends and comedy writers ask each other questions about writing, comedy, life, and love. Although if you did a word cloud based on our episodes, I imagine the most common questions you would find are, what else, what else, and how are we doing on time, is that enough? I am one half of this show, writer, comedian, and former high school marching band clarinetist Daniel O'Brien. That sentence just kept getting worse up to and including my name, and former high school marching band clarinetist, Daniel O'Brien. That sentence just kept getting worse up to and including my name, and I am joined as

always by my co-host, Mr. Soren Bui. Say hello, Soren. Hello, I'm Soren Bui. I'm a writer, father, gardener, frequent finalist, and award winner. And I once made a full-grown policeman cry while doing a DUI test for how deftly I walked the balancing part of it. Speak on that. Because, so, like, my thing was a real thing. I did play clarinet in marching band.

Is your thing also a real thing? Hmm. Hmm. Okay, let me try again. Let me just do it. All right, let's try this again. Hey, I'm Sora Bui. I'm a writer.

I'm a tinkerer, tailor, soldier guy. I walked all the way to the supermarket once just balancing on the curb on the edge of the sidewalk. Okay. Also, when I get on my roof, don't even use my hands for balance. Okay. What do you use?

My feet. Okay. But it's slanted.'s not safe but uh but you feel comfortable doing it yeah no problem okay i feel like uh-huh give me something embarrassing that you've done um okay let's see um Give me something embarrassing that you've done. Okay, let's see. I mean, I'm like racking my brain for anything balance related that's embarrassing and there's just none. They're all pretty good experiences.

I'm really good at balancing. Thanks to Raycon Wireless Earbuds for supporting Quick Question. Raycon earbuds start at about half the price of any other premium wireless earbuds on the market. Get 15% off your order at buyraycon.com slash QQ. We're gonna get into the show where we ask each other questions,

but before we do that, we just wanted to check in with each other, re-quarantine and how that's been going soren do you have any updates i found a mouse and saved it in my fountain you have a fountain yeah i have a little fountain in my backyard just moved into a new house you did you install a fountain or did you inherit a fountain it's a little and when i say little, it's like 90 pounds, but it's mobile. It's just like something you go to a fountain store, and it's like this big ceramic bowl, and it has a little plate that sits on top of it, so it just makes some noise.

It doesn't shoot water or anything. You just hear it dripping. Where's the water coming from? You just fill it, and it's self-sustaining. It just spits up water from the bottom with a little tiny pump, and then drips back down spits it back up drips back down and it's just something to make it sound nice okay but it's a big bowl i think it weighs maybe close to 100 pounds and then there's a plate that sits at the top so there's just a cracker on the outside but the crack is about two or three inches and so a lot of like vegetation gets down in there and i have to go clean it every

once in a while and i went to take the plate off the other day and there was just this dead mouse floating in it. And I was like, Oh, gross. And then I realized that it was floating with just its nose out of the water. And it kind of padded over to me and I realized it was still moving. And it was barely, barely alive. And I was like, Oh, okay, what do I do here? Because my son's there with me too. And he's like, we kill it. And I'm like, no, we don't kill it. And he's like, no, we do.

We set those mouse traps over by the garage because my garden's getting eaten by some mice. And I was like, no, we kill those ones. We save this one. It's confusing, I know, but this is what we're doing. And so I dump out all the water. This mouse is in bad shape. Like it's clearly been in there for a while and it's exhausted.

It can't move on its own very well. And I get it in a bucket. And I know from my own experience growing up that like pack rats, if you don't take them far enough away, they could come right back to your house. You got to get them like miles and miles away. They've got a great sense of direction. They're not Soren's and Dan's, these rats. And so, uh, I got in a bucket and I made my son come with me and I knew of a field. It was like five miles away. And, uh, he's like, put a lid on that bucket, please. Before I get in the car. And I was like, no, it's fine.

It can't get up. It can't get out. Boy, did that mouse bounce back quick. But it didn't get out of the bucket. Like it started to freak out in the bottom of the bucket. And we got it to a field. We gave it a little buffalo mozzarella ball and a little cherry tomato to try and like revive him and left him there and the minute i put him down i put him down like the shade of this bush and the minute i put him down i realized i

put him down in this line of ants and i was like oh no he's toast here and so we scooped him up and we put him down a little bit further away from the bush uh but in a place where he still had lots of coverage uh for many sort of aerial threats and let him go then we went back to check on him cheese is gone tomato's gone mouse is gone i think we saved it uh or something came and ate all three of them but it wasn't the mice because we would have seen the body then i mean it wasn't the ants right we would have seen the body and that's the worst death of all i assume is being eaten by ants and it wasn't that so pretty heroic i would say yeah do you feel like um you're all all of your co-workers are also los angeles-based

tv comedy writers do any of them relate to these stories? I don't know too many LA farmers who are like, oh, I know a field five miles from here. That would be perfect for this mouse. And I need to take the mouse there because of my experience with mice-like animals and how good they are at tracking. We would have pack rats growing up that my dad would go down to the basement to open up his toolbox

and there'd be no nuts or screws or anything in there anymore. It would just be a bunch of cactus because the rats will trade out shiny pieces that they like and go put those in their nests and then leave some other bullshit for you. There are no nuts and screws.

It's just a bunch of cactus. What the fuck are you talking about the pack rats will go and collect garbage or like trash and then they're they live like by this bartering law that's just part of their ethics where they will leave something in place of whatever they take and so they will leave cactus and take all the shiny silver nuts and bolts from this uh toolbox until a point where it happened so many times that when my dad went down to open it up to use his tools it was just filled with cactus good god almighty that's besides the point the point is

that happened multiple times because he cut we live catch these rats and then like take them a mile away and then those fucking things would just come right back so you have to get them so far away that they get disoriented and just decide to start over you know the thing that i thought when i first met you was um and i i hope you receive this gently because you know that i have so much love and affection for you now in the present. When I first met you, I was like, this guy is Hollywood. This is a guy who dresses well, has fashion. His haircut happens, I feel like, every two weeks and not, in my case, when it's too late.

when it's too late this is a guy who was like fucking made for Hollywood to schmooze and make deals and now you're telling me these stories about like pat racks pat rat pack rats trading bolts from your father's toolkit for cacti yeah yeah what are you i don't know man i i mean i will say that i i left all of that that i was deeply unhappy there to come be a hollywood cheese dick where i feel much more at home um so maybe you were right maybe that's what's in my blood and i was just in the wrong place my entire childhood no it's clearly it's it's clearly part of you because you're transporting mice from your outdoor fountain to a place that is safe from ants and aerial predators i i'm trying to explain to my son was really really complicated because i had set traps and like traps that were meant to kill a

mouse like they had these big teeth on them they're like these plastic ones that if they don't cut it in half they just asphyxiate the mouse it's not a pleasant death and then all of a sudden here was a mouse right in front of us and i was like we have to save it and he was like why i was like i don't i don't totally know but it's important that we save this one all right well i i have no quarantine update that could match that so should we get into the show do you have any questions for me yeah Yeah, did you get a haircut? I did, yeah. Good.

Did you see that on, we did an after hour stream. Did you see a haircut on that? Yeah, you had a nice fade going on. Thank you, yes. I went to a barbershop and it was very safe. We all wore masks. There was never more than four people in the building at any given time.

And like they removed the mask on one side when they handled sideburns uh and i had to very humbly explain i shaved my whole head early into the quarantine and uh i need you to trim the sides and back but like please leave as much of the top as you can. This might be all we get forever. So don't touch it. Please stay away from that section. I did also get a haircut.

I think I told you on this podcast. It was a similar situation where like they, I wore a mask the entire time. I take off like one earpiece and they would cut on that side, put it back. The other one. And I felt very safe during it. I have not let my son get a haircut though.

I've been cutting his hair and it's getting bad, Dan. I don't really know how to cut hair very well. I can kind of, I've got clippers so I can do the sides a little bit, but the top- Why are you trying to cut it? Is it bothering him?

Yeah, it got in his eyes. Okay. And so I cut it around just his forehead to try and land and try and get it out of his eyes and what i did was accidentally give him a bowl cut so he has this very he looks very much like problem child if you remember that movie in a way that it affects how i feel about him. Oh. Like when he's being. You've groomed yourself a villain. Yeah. When he's. It's exactly right.

When he's being naughty. Boy, do I really despise him. Like he just looks like this little kid from 1991 who's a snot nose brat. And I got to change it. I i gotta figure out how to cut his hair in a way that i love my son again and and what do you think that will be i don't know i'm i'm really contemplating just putting it a six on the clippers and just cutting the whole thing with sixes and then going from there going tapering down whatever i need to do you know sixes no i don't.

Okay, so on any set of clippers, you got a bunch of different guards, and the guards determine how much hair actually stays on. Right, this is another blind spot of mine. I know that when I walk into a barbershop that I can say, I want two on the sides and back. I don't know if, this is so dumb, I don't know if um if this is so dumb i don't know if um it would remove more hair if i said

one or if i said four right okay i can help you one is the most one is the most hair and then there's no guard at all most hair removed most hair removed and then there's there's you can just do no guard at all and that's like a that's a real shave um but uh so six is there's a it's leaving a lot of hair and i don't want to give them a buzz cut i just i used to get buzz cuts in the summer this is gonna be another this is gonna be another one of those stories dan sure um in summers, my mom would buzz my brother's hair and my hair because we'd spend so much time. Uh, we've lived in a pinion forest out in the woods that we get tree sap all over us and it would get in our hair and she didn't want to deal with that. And so each summer she would just buzz our heads and we lived like that. Um, and I don't want him to be in that same situation. Cause I look back on those photos and I'm like,

ugh, like this for another six months. Wow, that was rough. Sorry, Googling pinyon forest. Oh, pinyon pines. So when you eat pinyon nuts. Pinyon, juniper, woodland. Okay. Yeah, when you eat like pinyon nuts,

that's coming from this very specific type of pine tree. Okay. It's not shaped like a Christmas tree. It's just got like some weird errant tufts to it, but it's like high desert. Yeah. And it's very sappy and it gets in your hair and your mouth. So sappy.

Yeah. And when we're climbing trees and stuff, you just get it all. So your hands are black for weeks because. It's so weird to look at it. It's so weird to see like desert trees. That's nuts. Yeah.

It doesn't come off. And it would just get in our hair, and she was sick of it. So that was it. We just get it cut every summer to keep us cool. All right. Well, we've handled that part of the podcast. Done. Thanks to Raycon for sponsoring this podcast.

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Let's hear it. All right. I want to know what your antiphobia is. What's the thing that bothers everybody else, but you're fine with it? And I can go first to kind of give you some context for what I'm asking for. Sure. I hope I have the same answer. Okay. When I'm eating and I discover a hair in my food, that's like, I, I will at the very most push it aside. I don't care about hair in my food whatsoever. Or if I discover hair

in my bed or like somebody else's hair, I'm like, oh, I'm uncomfy. What's in my shirt? And like, I pull out like a long hair or there's hair in the shower after a woman has used the shower. Like hair in general, that's not attached to a body does not bother me one bit. And everyone else seems to freak out about it. I'm right there with you. Hair doesn't bother me in food at a restaurant. Or like anywhere. Anytime I come across hair, it's like, oh, someone lost some hair.

I don't know. We're all human beings. What the fuck are we talking about here? Maybe grosser than that, I also don't, if I'm having a drink outside and I look down and like a gnat has collapsed in my drink. Yeah. I'll just remove it. Totally. And continue drinking whatever I'm having.

It's like, oh, that fucking happens. No one ever died from a gnat dying in their in their soda pop yes absolutely i i will also just pull a fly out of whatever i'm eating if it's if it happened to end up in there by accident i thought you were leaning more towards like popular fears in which case i would have said um clowns, which is like a sticking point for me because so many people claim to be afraid of clowns. And it's a fear that I don't totally understand.

I know that Pennywise exists and there have been scary clowns in pop culture for a very long time, but... Anytime someone that I know in real life lists clowns as an actual fear of theirs, I kind of doubt it in a way that I have no right to doubt it. But I just think, like, why? Fucking why? It's just a person in a thing. Like, a person dressed as a clown is theoretically no scarier than a person

dressed as satan or dressed as captain kirk from star trek it's just it's a costume that a person puts on like i i don't find clowns inherently scary and i think a lot of people do it are doing it in a way that is performative i agree 100 with you i played a part in after hours cracked after hours where soren one of like a canon piece of his mythology was that he was afraid of clowns but i'm completely there with you i it does feel performative to me whenever people are like, oh man, clowns are, whew, I don't even, I will punch a clown if I see a clown. It's like, eh, well, you know that's just a human, right? Like, we're not.

And like, how often do you see clowns? They're such a rarity. I, yeah, I'm trying to think of where it's born from. Maybe The Simpsons also, like it became very funny to be scared of clowns. Can't sleep, clown will kill me. Clown will eat me. Clown will eat me.

But Krusty was a main character on that show for the entire run of it. That's true. Yeah, I guess I'm not in any position to be telling people that's a silly fear, but come on, that's a silly fear. Separate from that uh and here's where we will divide i'm not squeamish about blood as much as you are about giving blood and about seeing blood like these like it's another hallmark of pop culture where there's a character in every sitcom i have ever seen in my entire life where it was like, I can't be around blood.

As soon as I see blood, I'm going to... And then they pass out, and it's big and dramatic, and it's very funny when people faint. But I can't... It's just not a thing that bothers me. It doesn't bother you? I don't know.

It's not like I was surrounded by blood growing up or anything like that, but I'm, in a lot of ways, full of it. All right, let me set a scene for you. Okay. And I'll know if it bothers you because you will have passed out and you won't answer. You're at a hospital.

It's not you who's in the hospital, but you're seeing somebody being operated on. Wait, so hold on. I'm at the hospital, but it's not me? Yeah, you're not at the hospital because you're in any sort of danger no one has brought you there because you're need to be sutured but i am there to watch i'm physically there i'm watching yeah you're up in the gallery or what what's that the observation operating rooms what are those called the on the theater

yeah okay yeah yeah okay and And you're watching it. And the doctor goes, there's just a fresh, clean, shorn body right there. And he goes, scalpel. And he takes that metal implement, clean as a whistle, in a clinical setting under fluorescent lights and inserts it into somebody's body and pulls down, leaving that little streak of just a little bit of blood for that clean first cut that doesn't freak you out um so i have two things to say about that one where where is the cut abdomen yeah no no problem at all okay where would it bother you um a thing that is not in the the surgical theater that does bother me and it's not it's less a blood thing and more a knife thing is um a thing that happens in movies a lot where a

character will take a blade put it in their palm and then slice it usually to like signify a blood oath of some kind like it happens in braveheart and i'm i'm sure it happens in a thousand other movies that i'm blanking on right now rob roy uh sure yeah oh sleepy hollow yes and it's one of those things that that uh it's never violent it's never scary it's just like we're gonna prove that we're blood brothers because we're northern blokes or whatever. And they do that thing where they cut their palm and it's in the past. And no one ever dies from it. Everyone always heals from it.

They usually wrap a piece of gray, dirty cloth around their hand. And then in a few scenes, it's fine. And then in a few scenes, it's fine. But it really stings in my brain because I think it feels like one of the first sound effects that Hollywood has completely perfected. They know what it sounds like to cut your palm with a blunt, dirty knife in the past. And I was like, yep, that's what it would sound like oh and it sounds

unpleasant and i'm unhappy i don't want to hear it anymore and like he's wrapping in that dirty gray cloth and it's not gonna be enough they don't have neosporin yet it hasn't been invented and i know it's not gonna come up again it would be a boring movie if braveheart was like i can't go because my left hand got gangrene. Right. The next day, they're swinging an ax, no problem, with that same hand. You're like, what? That would hurt. So I'm not worried about someone cutting into my abdomen, but I am worried about someone being like, you're my brother now,

so take this knife that was my father's and still has some, like, fish parts on it and cut your left palm. And I just want to like can i like can i just like cut a toe off or something i don't want to do this i don't want to cut my palm because you don't know how much how much flexing you do in your hands until you get a cut on your hands guys well let me okay things first. Perfect dead ringer accent. Thank you. Nailed it. I was in the movie Braveheart. Um, but also I'm right there with you. It's a realist. It's such a bummer to get a burn or a cut in your hand. Cause you just sit there and look at it and you're like,

well, this is going to be a week and a half like fuck this is gonna ruin so many things i'm gonna be brushing my teeth left-handed yeah um it's it's really brutal to get a cut in your hand so i'm i'm right there with you but there are i would go way further than that there's any time especially in clinical settings when people get uh when blood is or like intentionally accidents i'm much better with like if i find like i came across a french teacher during my my wilderness you know that trip that i went on where he had a compound fracture is like and i was okay i was all right for that when i saw that for the most he was like sacre bleu and so i and i didn't have to stick around for very long for that, but just like an emergency situation, something else kicks in. But when it's a clinical setting where like you're intentionally

getting blood out of somebody or like cutting them open, it really, it, I even just thinking about it now is really tough. So I'll tell you, there are some movies that I've never seen all the way through because I had to get up and go throw up. One of them is Interview with the Vampire. A lot of just like opening people's wrists up and stuff like that in that movie. And then Trainspotting was another one because there's one scene in it where you are in a close-up of blood going into the syringe before he puts the fluid back into his body. Fluid. Like, you know, the fluid drugs.

And then there's another movie that maybe audience could help me with this because I don't remember what it's called or maybe I made it up to scare myself when I was a child. Ocean 13. It was about some man living out in the wild. Some people came out and found him.

It was like mountainous. So I think it was North wild. Some people came out and found him. It was like mountainous. So I think it was North America. Some people came out and found him. And he said, out here, you do what you have to to survive. And he used a big knife to slit his own wrist and then drink his own blood, which doesn't make a lot of sense. But it scared me so badly as a kid and also repulsed me in such a way that I was like, I could not think about it for years. You know, I, I, I watched a movie a couple of years ago that made me think of you.

Um, just this, this one scene was, uh, three billboards outside of, uh, you've seen it. Yeah. There's a scene in it where, um, I want to say Woody Harrelson is sick and he's in the middle of like a normal conversation with Francis McDormand and coughs blood in her face. Yeah. And she responds as gently and as perfectly as an empathetic person

would want to respond to that. But I saw that and I thought, imagine someone having an argument with Soren and then accidentally sneezing blood on their face. What would Soren do? And I can't think of a worse situation for you. It's funny. I think, I don't, yeah, I'm not sure.

It's not even my nightmare i watched that and be like oh man soren would fucking hate that just thinking about it makes me very sweaty i and you know my mom was a she you know she was a nurse at schools uh in public schools when i was young she was also the one who would come and help kids dissect lungs and hearts. She would go collect them from the pig butcher and she'd bring lungs and hearts for kids to dissect in science class. And I was the kid that was always just like sitting out in the hall. And I just like start to get this tunnel vision. Everything would start to go black except for just like right. All my periphery would just start to disappear.

I would get very weak. And I just sit in this hall with my head between my legs embarrassed because That's my mom doing it in there and i'm the one kid who can't fucking do it There was a class where we had to figure out what our blood type was and so you had to prick your finger and I was like She was like you don't have to do if you don't want to and I was like no I should like I gotta get over This I have to do this. This is seventh grade

I finally, I keep trying to do it and I'm not, I'm too cowardly. Like all I'm doing is like poking my finger and it hurts, but I'm not bleeding at all. And finally I do it immediately see that I can't even finish the test. I have to lie down on the floor and she comes over and like holds the test over me so that I can put my, my blood sample on it. And then I felt so stupid after that. And she she during a parent teacher conference she's like he was so brave that he did that knowing full well and i was like i don't know if that's the right word i think it was pretty dumb of me to have done that knowing full well that i would need all that attention afterwards um anyway blood is hard blood is tough on me

and we all know that now but uh hey soren switching gears i got a quick question for you yeah go ahead and i i think you you'll have a bunch of answers for this it's something that you a piece of pop culture that you've come to late that you're so late to it that you have no one to talk about it with and i i assume you're gonna have a lot to say about this because you have had a kid for between three and four years at this point and that occupies much of your time period and your pop culture viewing experiences like you're not going out to movies all that often and i i know this because like you would be on a flight for a cracked thing. And you'd be like, I saw Spider-Man Homecoming.

Not even that. That's neat. It's 2018, you fucking idiot. What are you doing? Spider-Man's dead at this point. What's going on? Even that was generous. I think I had watched the spider-man where you were first

introduced to the lizard oh that's right you watched the andrew garfield spider-man in 2018 i still want to fucking talk about that by the way there's a whole lot of things in that that i want to know about um yeah i can give you time to think about it because i know you've got a bunch that you want to cover i have two one farther away and one more recent. The farther away one is I came very late to Freaks and Geeks, which is a, in addition to being a really great show full of incredible actors, I think I came to it in like 2011 or 12. And I was like, what do I do?

I'm in love with late nineties, Linda Cardellini. Who do I talk to about this? What do I do? Love with the child version of Linda Cardellini. She's, I never stopped being in love with her. I mean,

she wasn't a child. Yeah, I know. Playing a child. She's supposed to be a child in that respect. Like she's, she's presenting as a child. She's supposed to be a child in that respect. Like she's, she's presenting as a child. All right.

Okay. Do you want to talk about it? Do you want me to, do you have any questions about freaks and geeks? No, it's, I just don't have anywhere to, to,

to go with it because I feel like if I joined like a subreddit about freaks and geeks right now, or if I reached out to any of my friends who had already seen freaks and geeks when it existed, then I would, I would be volunteering information that had already been presented and dissected ad nauseum for years. Right. presented and dissected ad nauseum for years right so like i i there's no way for me there's nowhere for me to go where it's like who also just watched freaks and geeks in 2012 or the thing that i'm going through right now um is with a band band volpec this funk band that started in 2011 uh and hasn't released anything since 2019 which isn't like obviously so far in the past, but it's still like no one wants to talk about Wolfpack for the first time right now. No one is just discovering it.

I feel like I'm the only one and I don't know who to talk to about it. That's, yeah, I know that feeling well dan um i think maybe what you have to do is find somebody else who hasn't done it and then lure them into participating in it with you oh like i recently started playing a game maybe you've heard of it little little art house game called skyrim i had never that. I hadn't played like a video game since Halo came out for the first Xbox and, uh, came back to it. I played Red Dead Redemption when, which blew my mind. I was like, I want another game like this. And people are like,

oh, well you probably already played Skyrim. And I was like, no, what's this? What's this one? You just said something about the sky. Is it a basketball and uh they were like no this is this is what the game is I said that sounds lame you're I'm a dragonborn but this is all very D&D and then uh I played it and it's so much fun and there's so much I want to talk about and there are so many little like fun glitches in the game that it made me laugh that i'm like i know everyone else has found these i know everyone else already had this laugh but somebody shared this with me there's a thing that happens with like there are these giants in the game and if you if you're close enough to one that it actually uses its club to hit you there's some glitch in the game that causes you to just fly a thousand miles up in the air

your body just wiggles and wiggles and it's such a treat to do every single time um and i've known no one is out there with me being like oh yeah yeah oh i just tried that that was great i don't get it yeah i feel that way with with animal crossing too because i was a little bit late later than everyone I know who was playing Animal Crossing, where I was like, I caught this fish. And people were like, yeah. Like on a rainy day or something, yeah, that's when you catch them. We're doing another game now.

We've moved on from this thing. I'm like, okay. I had a real opportunity, a golden opportunity with Hamilton to get on board finally. I never saw Hamilton. I know very opportunity with Hamilton to get on board. Finally. I never saw Hamilton. I know very, very little about it. Okay. Uh, it just was a thing that passed me by. And suddenly there was an opportunity on Twitter because everybody was watching it once when it showed up on Disney plus. And I was like, this is, this is, uh is this is that thing i'm always looking for i was like i can finally get back on this bus but didn't do it did not even bother you didn't watch it or you didn't

participate in the like live i still haven't watched it okay i still haven't seen hamilton i still what's um stopping you right now well so people have kind of soured on it a little it's like everyone was very excited about when it came out and then over time after people had time to reflect on it some people are like that's you know it's not that good or they're coming up with different critiques of it and now i've been burned before with a little band called limp biscuit dan where i was a big fan good god until it became not cool to be a fan and then then i felt silly okay i don't want to get too into the weeds on this because obviously i can there's rapping in both by the way and certainly lin-manuel lin manuel miranda is like a dork but um the contrarian complaints about hamilton are

fucking stupid okay and i'm not even like the biggest hamilton fan on the planet i think in the heights is better than hamilton as far as lin's work goes um but the internet backlash to hamilton being released is so fucking tediously insultingly stupid uh it's the worst case scenario for what we started doing with cracked honestly where you're trying to find new takes on a thing to present it in a new light. And then now we're in the present where people are using that as a way to destroy or take down or, uh, you know, using it as an excuse to not enjoy a piece of culture or not consume a piece of culture. It's, it's,

it's just garbage. People who, this, this is a musical that broke a thousand records and broke down boundaries and, uh, separate from everything else has more words than any other musical in the history of musical theater and still manages to be somehow coherent and people were like they don't address slavery enough it's like well well he did his best he did lynn did his best making a two and a half

hour musical about alexander hamilton that was colorblind casted and uh told the american story in a way that reflects current america sorry that they didn't he didn't do everything you fucking internet sorry it is really interesting to see the internet turn on its darlings. I'm not talking about cancel culture or anything like that. I mean, there are just certain people that all of a sudden it feels like collectively the fans get tired of and they just turn on them. Like Lin-Manuel Miranda. Lin-Manuel? Lin-Manuel Miranda, yeah.

Yeah. Collectively, everyone just sort of turned on this guy who did nothing differently. He was always sort of cloying, and people loved that about him. He was an optimist, and he was tweeting very nice, kind things all the time. And all of a sudden, everyone was like, we don't like that anymore. Right. Fuck him. Joseph Gordon-Levitt also I would put in that category where he was very beloved for a while, and then everyone like no it's too self-righteous we're done and i i don't understand what that tipping point is

and i'm terrified of it yeah it seems like i don't know when was the last time that um you can think of that a piece of culture was like broadly celebrated. Like movements have been celebrated in very big ways, which I love very much. But as far as like a dumb, not dumb, a movie or a show or a book or a thing that was like, yeah, we like this. We're going to celebrate this. We gonna collectively like it yeah yeah um i feel like there's less and less of that and there's there's

more and more of like this is a thing that the starting point is that it's popular so now i'm gonna talk i'm gonna run down all the ways that it's wrong yeah i mean i think you're absolutely right i think that that's, everyone's immediate perspective is, am I allowed to like this when they start to like something? And it's much easier to say no and come up with reasons why you shouldn't like something

than to be like, well, you know what? I don't know. I think this is great. Yeah. And we're, I mean, I don't want to puff ourselves up too much, but we're at least partially responsible for that nightmare.

Sure. And I wish that it wasn't that way. And I think there will be a tipping point at some point. I think people will, that all of this, there'll be like a tipping point back to earnestness and just genuine a pray uh genuine love of a thing harry potter maybe feels like the last one yeah that was the last one that really built a fan base and universally people are like oh no it's really fun it's really good to read

good and no one read it i was trying to think of others like the stuff that comes out now is all like shit like tiger king where everyone's like oh this is so easy for me to tell you who's bad and who's good in it no one good everyone bad very easy um i don't know man yeah it's definitely and like i i feel strange being a a big hamilton defender because again it's not my my favorite musical of all time but it's also i feel like um lin-manuel is a a flawed human like all humans and he made an incredible musical about a flawed human like all humans and did his very best and for the people who are pulling for like cancel hamilton or cancel in like

what would you rather hamilton the musical have been i can't have this conversation with you because you haven't seen it yet. What would have been a better version of this show in the minds of people who are saying it didn't go far enough? A show that

six years ago is unthinkable. I don't know. This is too much defending of Hamilton that I'm comfortable with. What we should do, Dan, you and I should just sit down and watch The Sopranos.

And then we have a thing which neither one of us has seen. And then we can start from the beginning of. Do you think I haven't seen Sopranos? Oh, shit. you watched ahead? absolutely okay it's set in New Jersey they like drive through

Montclair in the opening title sequences little Jimmy goes to fucking Rutgers Soren we'll find another thing I'll listen to your wolf castle band wolf pack we'll listen to we'll watch um john from cincinnati how many episodes is that there's six it's just one season so it's yeah six or eight episodes

louise guzman and and some buddies all right well let's do it all right we got to close out the show because we've been talking too long okay um i need to track down all of the social accounts and uh bear with me soren you need to to tread some water while i'm doing that um so i'll just have a question for you to answer while i'm looking. What do you most need to change about yourself, in your opinion? Well, I mean, obviously not much, right? Pretty, I wake up in the morning and I slept well the night before

because I feel pretty good about myself. So I would say I need to be more patient. Um, when people are like dragging ass, you know, like when they're not, they're not hurrying up and it's clear that they're just being rude and it's a big problem that they're being, uh, being so rude and that they're not taking any consideration that time is like the most valuable commodity we have. And I'm just sitting here, I'm just waiting on you. Any second now, it'd be nice if you paid attention to the fact that you're not the only person in the world.

I'd like to be more patient, I think. Sorry, I had some audio issues. One more time. I'd like to be more patient um with people dan are you there i feel like you're you're i hear what you're saying but it seems like you're really you're really taking your time with this with this answer so just just give it one more time a thing you need you need you need to change about yourself gonna be more patient sorry one more time we were talking on top of each other at that point A thing you need to change about yourself. Gonna be more patient!

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