Quick Question with Soren and Daniel - QQ ep 62 - Isn't Sadness Romantic! feat Maggie Mae Fish

Episode Date: October 23, 2020

In this week's episode the guy's are joined by the overwhelmingly charming Maggie Mae Fish to chat about reptiles, confidence and other classic jock topics.  And as always big thanks to our sponsors.  Explore your creativity at Skillshare.com/qq2 and the first 1,000 people to use our link will get a free trial of Skillshare Premium Membership.  And big thanks to Tushy, Go to hellotushy.com/qq get 10% off your order.

Hello again and welcome to another episode of Quick Question with Soren and Daniel, a podcast where two best friends ask each other questions and give each other answers. I am one half of this podcast, comedy writer, author of books, man of the sea, and guy who was once broken up with by a bumble date because she said I was, quote, not romantic, end quote. Daniel O'Brien. I am joined, as always, by my co-host mr. Soren Bowie Soren say good afternoon okay good afternoon everybody I'm Soren Bowie I'm a writer for American Dad I'm the writer of lunchbox letters for my

son Western Revenge poems I occasionally do though I haven't in a while it's just the ghost of the Cowboys stop speaking through me As a preteen I also wrote a letter to Ariana Richardson From Jurassic Park I don't know if you remember her she's the little girl in that Inviting her to come to my hometown And see me play baseball Lex from Angus? And from Tremors

And she was in Another movie called Spaced Invaders I had a big crush on Ariana Richardson when I was young And I invited her to come to my hometown and watch me play baseball. That, how old were you? I think I was 12, maybe 11. I love that so much. I love that instinct you have.

And it's like, well, I'm not just going to say, come hang out. I got to add value. Watch me play baseball. Like, well, I'm not just going to say, come hang out. I got to add value. Watch me play baseball. I thought for sure. She's like, nobody has invited me to play baseball. Because in my mind, every kid was Macaulay Culkin who had been in a movie. So it's like they were so, they'd been living in their tower for so long that they just longed to get back out in the streets.

And she would have been like, oh that's so authentic in a small town sign me up i recently this is this is similar but uh less excusable because i'm 34 years old i uh instagram dm'd a a woman that i follow on YouTube fishing. Oh, God. And invited her, not invited her, but let her know if she's ever in New York that I would take her fishing for bluefish. What did I do?

It's not a good food to eat, but they're like really fun to fight. And I would get us like a private boat and take her fishing in the that's such a did you did that you're at you know what it's like to get those i did that 48 hours ago you've gotten maybe like i want to say like 30 of those exact types of invitations and you're maybe not fishing but like other things that people think you like they're like people who are like hey uh spider-man's premiering i was just wondering if you ever wanted to stop by akron

ohio and come see it with me i don't know what else to do i really like her channel uh i i think she she's like bafflingly gorgeous and she seems nice and i i i don't know what else to offer other than a polite invitation to come fishing with no strings attached. And that bubble day said you weren't romantic. Thanks to Hello Tushy for supporting Quick Question with Soren and Daniel. Hello Tushy is a sleek bidet attachment that clips onto your toilet and sprays your butt clean with fresh water. And it's the best thing you can do for your butt and it starts at just 79 go to hellotushy.com slash qq get 10 off your order thank you so much to skillshare for

supporting quick question with soren and daniel skillshare is an online learning community with thousands of inspiring classes for creative and curious people. Explore new skills, deepen existing passions, and get lost in creativity. For a limited time, get a free trial of Skillshare Premium Membership at Skillshare.com slash QQ2. Anyway, we're going to get into the show. We normally do a quarantine check-in at the top of the episode, but I really want to get into our guest because I'm, I don't know if you can tell in my voice how excited I am, but we are joined by writer, comedian,

performer, and previously the third head in the Soren Daniel Hydra thing, Maggie Mayfish. Oh, Maggie. Ah, Soren. Oh my goodness. Oh, it's Ah, I saw it! Oh my goodness!

Oh, it's been so long. How are you? Oh, I'm great. I was snickering off mic through the whole intro. You guys are such losers. I do. So Maggie, I saw today that you were a jock when you were younger. I had my moments.

I feel like we've been over this. Well, hold on, hold on. Before, just in case our listeners are foolish and don't know, Maggie used to co-host a show we did on Cracked for a couple of years called Excessive Pop Culture Discussion. Was that what you landed on eventually? I don't think so. Yeah.

I think we went through a couple phases. It was a show that by design was supposed to have a rotating cast of three people. And then we realized pretty quickly we just wanted the three of us to sit and talk to each other for an hour every week. So we scheduled it in. Yes. And now we're finally all back together again for the big reunion. Daniel was very cagey about who this guest was going to be. Didn't tell me.

Wanted to get on and set it all up before I was even allowed to join the call. And this is such a treat, Maggie. Aw, it's so good to hear your voice. But now we can get back into the episode which is about maggie being a jock soren yeah so i saw on twitter she posted something about so what happened recently in the news was um lana donovan's team whatever team he's coaching i don't know they they uh did a walk-off and they like lost their playoff spot like they ended up um and they did a walk-off because one of the guys on the other team used a

homophobic, homophobic epithet. Homopholic. Homopholic epithet. And the team was like, we're not playing against you. And, and they all did a walk-off and like sack and they forfeited the game.

They were up like five, zero and they forfeited the game. Oh, someone said a slur and then the opposing team walked off? Yes. Jesus Christ, guys. I'm from New Jersey.

Walked off? Walked off? Walked off. Well, did they get some water in them at least? Those guys walked off? What are you even talking about right now?

Yeah, and slurs are part of the game. And Maggie posted that as a former jock, I think or something to that effect I wholly and heavily support this And I was like hold the phone

I remember hearing something about her being a swimmer When I was young Well when she was young But I don't remember any jock stories I was a three sport varsity athlete When I graduated high school What? I was not good at basketball but my

heart was in it i loved the bench i loved cheering um but i i was good at soccer i was a uh all state my senior year i played defense so really yeah how did this slip past me? I feel like I can spot him. Well, I think mostly I bonded with Daniel over being, you know, in a band. And I think my overall vibe was that of a nerd. So I don't think it translated into actual jock culture. But if we're going by technicalities, I would call myself a former jock. You got to play to the brand. Yeah, you know. Because your brand is very decisively

nerd-friendly. Did you... Beat anyone up? No, no. Was that ever a conversation that you had to have with yourself where you're like, I'm not gonna mention my sports past. Like when you just started making YouTube videos, when you started coming up in comedy yourself where you're like, I'm not going to mention my sports past. Like when you just started making YouTube videos, when you started coming up in comedy,

where you're just like, I'm going to steer into this skid. Yeah, I'm not going to let anyone know that I could body them. Yeah. I mean, really, I was only ever very good at soccer. So, you know, I felt like as far as the culture went, I was never fully connected to the jock lifestyle. I have a very distinct memory of my senior year. I was both the lead in the play and on the basketball team.

And we practiced on the same court. And I had to split my time evenly. So, yeah. I mean, I don't want to dance Blaine here. But in theater, we do not call it a court. Oh, well, my school is very underfunded. So it was very technically a court. You have turned the tables on me.

Oh, man. Oh, that is the other thing. It was a very small school. So I was almost in sports out of necessity rather than choice. You know, so. I will tell you, Maggie, that I had to not play in our last game before the end of the season, soccer in high school, because I had a dress rehearsal for the pajama game that night. Oh, my God. That's adorable. I love the pajama game that night. Oh my God! That's adorable.

I love the pajama game. Doris Day movie? I also love Tremors. You said that earlier. Yes. I love Tremors. I think I like the sequel to Tremors more. Tremors 2 Aftershocks.

I think I like that more than the first one. Just because you like saying it? Yes. And it was also, I don't think they mentioned in the first movie because the first movie it's just uh tremors if you guys haven't seen it there's just like giant worm monsters in the ground that uh try to eat our protagonists in the desert and kevin bacon saves the day by i want to say say, pole vaulting. Yeah. They do that, yes. They all do it.

And we don't, it's the same way that for a while I thought like, oh, the shark and Jaws, that's Jaws. Everyone get away from Jaws. I thought these monsters were called Tremors. Like, got to make sure you pole vault over those Tremors. And then in Tremors 2 Aftershocks, Kevin Bacon has left. He is no longer part of this franchise. And we learn

that the monsters are called Graboids. And that was so funny to me as a kid, finding out that like, look out! It's a Graboid! Maybe it's like a zombie situation where they're like, you can't call them zombies in the movie. You gotta come up with stenches and things like that. Hey listeners, do you have a butthole?

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more like oh actually i don't think any of this matters kind of a thing which in itself is a type of invincibility I would say in high school so yeah but before that oh just no I had zero self confidence I basically built from the ground up after middle school not to get too personal here Maggie

but was some of that a result of that you were a young girl with a tremendous amount of body hair Oh, please. Was was some of that a result of that? You you were a young girl with a tremendous amount of body hair. You know what? I would probably say that that was a large, a large factor. And to build off that, my face, you know, I have a very, very Irish heavy background. So my face would flush bright tomato red whenever anyone looked at me in the eyes,

which, you know, is just always deeply embarrassing. And that was connected to sweating, which, you know, is connected to the body hair. So it's a whole ecosystem that just slowly tears down your self-esteem until your mother hands you a razor, you know, in eighth grade, and then it pulls me mad. I knew that we would at some point get into

what a tremendously hairy child Maggie was. This is earlier than I thought. I'll never shy away from what is the truth of the matter. That's why I asked about your confidence, because one of the things that we learned about you doing this show, the three of us, EPCD, for a while, because we didn't, we weren't, like, friendly before then. Is that fair to say? Right. Oh, fair, fair. Colleagues.

Yeah, I didn't know you too well, and I just knew, like, this person is tremendously charming and very good on camera and has a deep well of pop culture knowledge to pull from. And the thing that we learned on the show that ended up giving me tremendous amount of joy was this sort of endless stream of bizarre Maggie facts, which we are still still based on this podcast learning to this very day uncovering one of them like glue to they just sort of stick with you yeah and one of them was was about you being like it like a super hairy child and you're you you wear it all so well. You own it with such grace and humor that I feel like this person must have always been comfortable in their own skin. Truly.

Their own hairy, sweaty, red skin. Thick skin. Yeah, you know, Dan, I have a wonderful little book full of photos of me from grades one through five. And I will send it to you one day. What are you talking about? Like a photo album that's just about you? Yes. Yeah.

Me and my other best friend who also had vampire fangs. And we were best friends because no one wanted to hang out with us. Wolfman and the vampire? Precisely. So yeah, I will send that to you. You know what? I'll send it to you for Halloween. That will be your Halloween gift.

Thank you. I always look forward every year for what my Halloween gifts are going to be. So this photo album is going to go right on the mantle. Can't wait. Gosh, I don't know. It's always so nice to be with somebody who's, like you cannot hurt them,

that they are so confident, and their foundation of who they are is so good and pure that they're like, you don't have to worry about tipping the house over. And we're like, and then you can just joke and be free and it's all fine and good. Cause I get so scared all the time. And it's just such a relief.

I was really close. So we were, we inside baseball, we record two episodes at a time and we just had another guest right before Maggie. And I was really close to texting Soren and asking, do you think I was mean to him? Because I was genuinely worried about that. But I don't feel like I have that worry with Maggie. You shouldn't.

Not because I'm not mean. I am. Oh, well, naturally. But because I know that you are just like so strong and so playful. I never even thought about that about you, Dan. But you have people in your life who like you're such a, chivalry is so important to your everyday life. And like being a gentleman and being the nicest boy is like a something you strive for and but yet keeps me up at night you have at least one person in your life as long as

i've known you that like you know can take it and who you just unleash on like we worked with a woman named sarah ricard for a long time you were just so mean to her but in a way that she was like very playful and like batted back with. And that's sort of how our relationship with Bacon a little bit too. I think a thing that what it comes down to for me is like watching

episodes of the West Wing, like the first time I saw West Wing and it's like that's full of very bright characters who are mean to each other. And there's no laugh track. I mean, there's a lot of like, there's other things to that show also. But it's very often it's a walk and talk where someone operating at the height of their intelligence says something that is like mean and biting and true about the other character.

And the other character doesn't stop them from walking and say hey don't talk to me like that they just like come back with another biting remark and i i watch those shows and i think oh oh yeah me too i want to do that i want to like wouldn't it be fun if i like walked around with my co-workers and was and and said something mean and true to their face. And I've tried that with people and they don't like it, surprisingly enough. There was a person that Soren and I both used to work with. And I was like, really fueled by the West Wing, I guess. And I was like, I'm going to fucking roast her while we're walking to lunch.

And she was like, apologize for that. I was like, oh yeah, roast her while we're walking to lunch and she was like apologize for that it's like oh yeah okay i guess i forgot we're not a walk and talk i forgot we're not on tv i forgot that you you don't think of our conversations as like funny scenes like a normal person would yeah yeah you you feel things i understand that right now. Right. My first boyfriend in college, I guess, you know, our first couple dates, I thought I was flirting. And then, like, the third date, he looked at me and was like, hey, actually, sometimes you're kind of, like, hurting my feelings. And, you know, that was a learning curve for me, too. Being mean doesn't necessarily mean flirting, which, you know, I had to learn. It's a good lesson.

So, you know. I found that that's true of people who, like, if you're a public facing figure, like you are Maggie on YouTube now, uh, and people who try to message you or like, they want to play, they want to play the game, whatever you're doing. And when they do like. Sometimes they don't want to play the game. Sometimes they just want to take them fishing, Soren. They'll do it with a little bit of malice to like prove like,

hey, I got it. I got the edge. And like they say things to you that are like kind of hurtful. And you're like, you're a stranger. You're a stranger saying hurtful things to me right now. I don't enjoy this. Yeah, you know, my latest video, I did have a joke where I made fun of the wonderful Candy Werthers,

which I actually do enjoy, and I do not hate them, but I played a character that disliked them. And many people are just tearing into me about it on a very personal degree um and you know ha ha ha it is funny but i did feel the need to be like okay guys i actually like worthers and i did finish the bag that i bought for the skit so you know sometimes it is too personal every bit of it the wonderful candy worthersther's. Which, like, first of all, like, I'm not, I'm a two-time Emmy Award winner. I'm not worried about getting ruined or canceled. Werther's fucking sucks ass.

What are you talking about? They haven't made a new Werther's in 25 years. They really haven't. It's just the same bucket of Werther's that we've been pulling from, from some factory fucking nowhere Pennsylvania probably oh Germany I found out uh it is manufactured in Germany which many people told me uh they were very angry that I implied that it was an American um candy so what have you know Daniel what a stupid thing to be angry about Werther's I think your your your family is bad I think your company is bad I think your product is bad. I think your company is bad. I think your product is bad. And people who like it, I think, are also bad.

The commercials for Werther's used to be a little kid reaching into a hung sweater in his grandfather's closet and pulling out a Werther's. It's predicated on a thing, the candy, that you don't finish. The candy you just have in your pocket because you're like, I don't know, maybe someday I'll be starving and I'll need this. Like the candy you just like have in your pocket. Cause you're like, I don't know. Maybe someday I'll be starving and I'll need this. I felt like even,

even in like early nineties, before I knew anything about anything, I would see a Werther's commercial commercial with some guy in a rocking chair would like, what are those originals? I'd be like, and there was something in my body that was like, that guy used to be a Nazi. He's not telling us.

As memorabilia that he will never show anyone. Man, the show has already gotten so joyfully off the rails. I'm so happy. So great to have you here. I have a big quick question that I want to ask you later. But before that, a thing that I've noticed from just following you on social media and knowing you a little bit. You're a snake owner. Would you like to talk about that a little bit?

Oh, Daniel, I will always talk about my baby snake, who now, oh my goodness, is basically full grown. I'll send you a picture of him. He's basically exploded into a full grown snake. Put it into the photo album for my Halloween gift. I will, I will. So circumference-wise, he's about an inch and a half, which, you know, that's pretty good girth.

Yeah. You know? That's pretty good. But yeah, he's about three feet in length, which you guys will not be able to beat. And yeah, we had to get him a giant tank, the biggest tank I've ever seen for him to live in. And yeah, he's about two years into his 20 year lifespan.

Yeah. So far, so great. Does he ever? I know youink at me. I know you've boasted about this tank, which is the biggest you've ever seen somehow. Somehow. But does he ever roam free in the home?

Actually, one of his favorite things to do, and by that I mean I am anapromorphizing? Anna... Anthro. Anth anapromorphizing anathro anthro promorphizing you can say it for me if you wanna fucking jocks classic

dumb jock can't say a very long complicated word oh yeah I carry him around in my hoodie sweater. I'll put the hoodie on backwards, and then I'll put him right there in my little hood, and I'll carry him around like a little baby. And he loves it. Yeah, so how do you know when a snake likes something?

He's still. You know, I found that when he moves, he's bothered. And if he's sitting still, then he's fine, dandy and in his own little dream world. So did you know what I can tell? Did you grow up with snakes or other reptiles or anything like that? I didn't. But my coolest cousin, I'm the youngest of a lot of cousins, but one of my coolest cousins had a python and an iguana, which escaped regularly and actually escaped into my high school because it snuck into her backpack and then escaped. And she was called to the principal's office, which was very embarrassing for the whole fish clan. But yeah, she was my coolest cousin. So I think growing up, you know, I had exposure

to, you know, cool people with cool reptiles. Not since Albert Fish have I been so embarrassed. Yeah, the fish name was so great before then. I mean, we had a gold record right before that. So, man. What a heist, though. It got into a backpack and then got loose. Yeah, it got loose into the girls' locker room. I knew it.

I was going to guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very classic. Smart, too. Who knows what good bitties it saw that day. As a snake. Okay, I have a question about your snake as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Go at it, Torrin. Have you considered raising clutches? Oh, what's that? That's where... So I watch these on YouTube. It's their phone, right? I watch these videos now about snake clutch hatchings So I watch these on YouTube. It's where women put their phone, right? I watch these videos now. Oh, it is.

About snake clutch hatchings, where people get two snakes to breed, and then they get the clutch. And then at a certain point, you get to open these leathery eggs. And they get so excited by the new patterns. Because patterns are super important, I guess, to some snake owners. And you open it it up and you're like oh albino albino or you're like oh quicksilver or whatever the their weird names are for like the different patterns and oh liquid mercury yeah they're so pumped in the like no matter what it is they're never like oh another one of these they're always every single time they're like

it's the best thing that's could have happened And that's maybe why I like them so much. Wow. That's fascinating. No, I never want to breed snakes. Yeah. But, you know, I do watch this 16-year-old YouTuber who owns a reptile company where he'll resell reptiles. And he's a delight. You know, it's fun to see a 16-year-old having a full functioning business

in his day and age. Start to finish. Perfect. Perfect sequence of Fords. Oh, but no. You know, I'm just not interested in watching them do their dirty deed. I'm not sure you have to watch.

But, you know, I'd be, you know, I'm sure they're curious. I like my boy. But, you know, I'd be, you know, I'm sure they're curious. I watch my snake eat, which is, you know, kind of the same thing. So are you feeding him frozen stuff, or is it live? It's frozen. Yeah, so yeah, just kind of like your regular, you know,

I order from an online company. It comes in a little, what do you, help me out, science bro, Soren. What do you call it? Box. When it's really cold, yes, a box. But it's not regular ice. Dry ice.

I didn't need your help. I found it out myself. Yeah, it just comes in a dry ice box. And then, you know, when it comes time to feed, you thaw it out. And then you jiggle it, and then he gulps it down in one gulp. Out of your hand? I use tongs, but, you know, they're not long tongs.

They're regular-sized tongs. I guess I wonder, because we had, like, furry creatures growing up. We had hamsters and gerbils, and I had a guinea pig for a while. We always had dogs. We had hamsters and gerbils, and I had a guinea pig for a while. We always had dogs. We briefly, my brothers and I, each got, I always get this wrong. I call them anolis.

They might be called anolis. Soren, science bro. What is that? I always knew them as anolis. Anoli. Anoli, yeah. They might be anoli. You might be completely right. But they're, like, they only turn brown or green.

And, like, they're brown if they're unhappy or cold, and they're green if everything's chill. Right. It always felt like chameleons appeal to young children because they change colors and their eyes are crazy, and that's very exciting, and they're exotic. But, like, Analis you could get at a fucking gas station in New Jersey. So that's what you get.

And it's like, I know chameleons can turn whatever color they want. These guys turn two. That's what we can afford. You can afford green, brown, or angry. Those are the colors. So we had those, but those were not my favorite pets to have.

I always leaned furry companion. And I guess I wonder what drew you to having a snake, apart from fascinating me. Well, I'm probably, I mean, right back at you, Dana. What draws you to fish, you know? What about those slippery little slimy little creatures? You know? Novelty. You know, what about those slippery little slimy little creatures? You know, novelty.

You know, I think that's probably why I picked the snake. Really, actually, I picked it because of necessity. When I bought it, I was living with someone who had two cats and a dog. So checking out the boxes of acceptable pets led me down to Snake. But, you know, I really enjoy all creatures, and I kind of like how weird it is. But, yeah. No, but really, Daniel, what about fish do you like? I'm curious. I like fishing.

I like the act of fishing. It's incredibly repetitive, which is very therapeutic for me, and it's very peaceful. You don't, I i mean one could have their phone on if they wanted to uh i don't like once you're at you're at sea you can i i go on airplane mode and then just sit out there on the water and it's very uh peaceful and calming i'm not listening to music i'm not checking my email. All I'm doing is whatever the... Ruining a fish's fucking day.

All I'm doing is... It's not fair to say murdering a fish because I don't keep them all, but it is fair to say torturing a fish. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You'll be seeing from my fish. It's fine. I'll stand up to any maritime court in the,

in the sea. Ah, right, right, right. Uh, the King Triton is going to have a fucking field day with you. Um,

yeah, that makes sense. You know, for the same reason, I actually, uh, I really enjoy watching, uh,

the snake do his thing. He's so slow and unbothered and unfeeling in an almost relaxing way. Yeah, just like such a foreign alien creature with no

feelings. Dan, you were right. It's a Noli. Is it? Yeah, you were correct. Neat. I had them and speaking, I know you don't want to watch your snake get down, but I had two Anolis

when I was a child as well and eventually had to get a third because I ended up having a male and a female and the male was killing the female by having sex with her so much. She was permanently brown and like just like unhappy. And I had to get another female for this insatiable lizard.

That's like a 90s sitcom just living in a little terrarium for you. It was so uncomfortable. And I'd like go over there to feed them crickets. They were really into flies. But like you have to keep, if you're keeping lizards as pets, you're also keeping crickets as pets. And that's fucking disgusting. They smell bad. They're gross.

And they're so weird. And just trying to get one out of that little box that you keep them in, six or more get out. And you throw them in there. every single time i'm just like god damn it and what he would do is he'd bite the back of her neck so she couldn't go anywhere and then wrap himself around her and it was for a child it was just brutal like there's nothing i could do well wonders of nature what did you name him that's the wrong question right zip zap and zoom oh it was just zip and zap and then yeah zoom got added into the equation purely as a concubine it was humiliating that's so funny wow thank you to

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unless you wanna keep talking about snakes. Oh, go ahead, Daniel. Thank you. Go right ahead. I wanted to know if there are pieces of pop culture that you were perhaps taking too seriously and i can give an example while you think and while soren thinks if that's helpful i got um i was really into the book series animorphs by k.a applegate and um like would share books with my friends, which is a normal and good way to engage with a piece of pop culture.

But I, uh, I liked it so much that I thought there was a version of reality where I could be an anamorph. And I, I, I took it very seriously. I thought,

and like, this is later than it should be. This is middle school. And I'm thinking i like these books so much that i will also one day become one of these people who can one day more yeah but like so for anyone who hasn't read animorphs it's about a group of teens who meet an alien who give them the power to morph into whatever animal they touch and they can stay in that animal's form for two hours and if they don't get out of that form then they're stuck as that

animal forever and uh that idea was very appealing to me when i was a kid it was like i can be any animal and and then i i got into a place where i was like i I want to be an Animorph and I also want to date one of the characters in the book. My brain was taking several leapfrog jumps over reality. So I was like, okay, so the first thing I do is meet an alien and get this power. Second thing I do, I meet a fictional character in this book and then I can date her. And when I say I took it too seriously,

I got in a physical fight with a person in middle school who made a joke about how I couldn't date the fictional character. Like I used my hands and fought him. We were just like talking about this book and then he said, you can't date Cassie. She's not, she doesn't like you.

She likes Jake. And I'm like, take it back. She hasn't met me yet. She doesn't know. He's like, I refuse to take it back. They're both fictional. This is absurd. And I was like, too late.

We're fighting now. Wow. He really wanted to pull you down from your cloud. I know. Yeah. It sounds like he's been pretty reasonable about it. No. Yeah. He wanted to pull me down from your cloud, huh? I know. Yeah. It sounds like he's been pretty reasonable about it, though. No, yeah. He wanted to pull me down from my cloud into reality.

He was like, hey, I think this is going to snowball into you being so obsessed with pop culture that you have fights with your friends because you think you're being on the West Wing. And I'm just trying to nip it in the bud if I can. What animal were you drawn to, Daniel, per your cover when you became part of the Animorphs world? The most romantic is always gonna be Tobias. He's the one who turns into the hawk and then has to stay that way forever

because he just gets trapped there. And that's if you're a person like I was, who is like, you know, occasionally weird and lonely, you think like, that's the path for me. The path is I'm going to turn into a bird forever and get stuck in bird form, who can talk to my friends using telepathy, which is another thing that animorphs can do that i should have set up at the beginning for context um but yeah i was like i'm gonna i'm gonna uh i think my fate is to be

the bird who is uh in love with a human being and they can never be together because like isn't isn't sadness romantic thank god they didn't give like senior quotes to 13 year olds because mine would have been isn't sadness romantic isn't sadness isn't sadness romantic period like i wouldn't do a question mark like i'd be Don't debate me. Don't correct me on this. This is the truth for me. Oh, wow. Yeah, I, for me, the thing that I got to into,

and this is probably a tale as old as time, but in fourth grade, this was also a low point in my... I didn't say low point for mine. Oh, I didn't mean to imply, but you know, draw your own conclusions, audience. During my low point in fourth grade, I decided that I didn't really like my personality. So I was going to be Hermione Granger from Harry Potter.

She was smart. I was smart. She had, you know, two best friends. You know, the most anyone's ever had. Yeah. Which at the time seemed unobtainable. My goodness. Spoiled for had. Yeah. Which at the time seemed unobtainable. My goodness, spoiled for choice.

Yeah. So I very decidedly made that switch. And honest to God, for about two weeks, I really like, I really committed. I raised my hand all of the time for everything. Anything the teacher asked, my hand was up in the air. And I was a smart child so i did know the answer huh you know i wasn't like i had to pretend about that um but um um but i realized after two weeks that um i was exhausted because actually

hermione granger's kind of like a big bitch. And her, you know, lording over everyone's time and attention actually was detracting from everyone's school experience and was not winning me any friends. I don't, so I don't, I quite famously have not read or seen any of the Harry Potter films. quite famously, have not read or seen any of the Harry Potter films. Does she suck in the books or movies? Is she like a know-it-all pain in the ass? Or is that something that the internet has subsequently ascribed to her?

I would say she's definitely more palatable in the film. And that has a lot to do, I'm sure, with, you know, the film was written afterwards. And, you know, Emma Watson. And J.K. Rowling has only gotten smarter and more nuanced. She's pretty terrible in the books. And only as an adult have I realized how, like, misogynist she was written. how misogynist she was written. You know, it's just Harry and Ron both talking over her throughout the entire book series

and also just disregarding her at every turn. So, you know, way to go, J.K. Rowling. You somehow wrote misogyny into your books while claiming to be such a great feminist um yeah she's she's actually pretty terrible and even more blanketly so in the books i would say especially upon a reread yeah which is pretty annoying it's it's it's very thoughtful of you to know within a few weeks of trying on being Hermione, that it was like, oh, no, this is exhausting.

Yeah, yeah. I actually, I did it years later in eighth grade. This is very, in eighth grade, you know, I came to a point when I was like, you know what? My cousin, who is in high school, everyone loves her, and she's very popular. If I just kind of act like my cousin, who is in high school, everyone loves her and she's very popular. If I just kind of act like my cousin, I bet I'll become popular. And I did it for about two weeks.

And lo and behold, it basically worked. You know, I would laugh at everyone's jokes. I'd always be like, Kristen, you're so funny. Even though I didn't believe it. And it worked. I'd always be like, Kristen, you're so funny. Even though I didn't believe it. And it worked. But again, after two weeks, I was like, damn, it's kind of sad that I was, that's what I changed about myself. And it worked.

And it's not me. So I guess I got to go back to being the me that no one, that not as many people like. Did you? No, go back to no one. No one liked. It's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah? No, go back to no one. No one liked. It's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, we'll stick to that.

Because that rings really true for me. Did you try on different personalities? Because I eventually realized that I'm like a weird person and there's no way out of it and that's just who I'm going to be. But for a while, I did certainly think like, you know what? I woke up this morning and I decided I'm confident today. I'm going to be. But for a while, I did certainly think like, you know what, I woke up this morning and I decided, I'm confident today.

I'm casual guy today. I would try on a different thing, but I was like, this is me now. And then it would wear off in a couple of days. Did you do that too? Was that like a recurring? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Segment in the Maggie Mae Fish's a it's a definite segment

in a way i was always kind of like okay maggie you know this is your young years this is your time to like you figure out who you are so you know just try things on like a jacket. Who is the speaker here? Old Maggie? Old Maggie and tiny Maggie Bonnie. Sucking on her Werther's. Yeah, you know, I feel like feeling just like not a part of like the crowd gives you such

freedom to be like, well, if no one's paying attention to me anyways, I guess I can kind of just try things out a little bit and see what sticks. Yeah. Good morning, everyone. I'm Sports Maggie now.

Yeah. I know yesterday I was a different Maggie, but forget that. Now I'm a jock. And, yeah. I'm curious. Sorin, that doesn't strike me as a thing that you would have done. I feel like you figured yourself out early.

But correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah. No, I think all young kids are like, well, maybe I'm Pugsley from that family. That might be fun for them. But I never really committed to any of it. It was always just going to be an addition to the house as opposed to a complete remodel. Interesting. You didn't hate yourself that much.

You were like, okay, throw the whole thing out. Let's just redo everything and see. What else can I add? Oh, I could learn to ride a unicycle. that might be kind of a cool thing that I could do and so it was never really about reinventing it or like trying to model it on somebody else as much as it was about what's the best way that I can make people like me in the first 15 minutes of knowing me. That's probably really effective that's probably way more effective than than incrementally changing your entire personality no it's super effective he's my best friend in the world um i i speaking of the uh stories that you took or pop culture that you took too seriously i don't

know if i've told this on the podcast before. Did you guys know I used to fight crime? I mean, I did. Wow. When I was in middle school, yeah, I, the first comic book series I ever read was called Nightfall, and it was the story of Bane breaking Batman's back and then this other guy, Asriel,

taking over as Batman. And my friend Brian Lee and Cameron Baisley and I loved this series and decided that the town of Carbondale, a population of 7,000, needed crime fighters. And we didn't like... Hey, Soren, just for some context. Yeah.

What's Asriel look like? Okay, so Asriel, before he dons the Batman outfit, Asriel has what looked like maybe some metal feathers coming off of his back. He wears a mask. He's kind of like got a Crusades knight feel to him, but in the future.

That's the best way I can describe him. But like under the mask, what would you say? Oh, yeah, he's a blonde guy. Ha ha ha! He's just a cool blonde guy. He's a cool blonde guy? And so we were like, we got to fight crime. And we weren't like, well, we need our origin stories. We need to build these characters out.

We were like, fucking Batman's already there. And so Brian Lee was Batman. Cameron Baisley was Robin. And I was Asriel. And we would sneak out. First of all, we made our costumes. We would sneak out at night. How much underwear was involved in the costumes?

There's some long underwear in my costume. But not like tighty-whities on the outside. I mean, we looked legit. We were. Citation needed. There was some sewing involved. I mean, we looked legit. We were... Citation needed, but okay. There was some sewing involved. And I wore bullet shells, like rifle bullet shells,

in a clip that went around my shoulder. I mean, around my arm, my upper arm, because that was a big thing in comics at that stage were like pockets on the pants and big pockets across every part of your body. Just like things wrapping around your limbs. pockets across every every part of your body and like just like things wrapping around your limbs and so uh this this bullet casings felt very uh lended me some credibility and then we would wait we'd spend the night at somebody's house right because otherwise you need the

credibility because if like if like some criminal saw you just a child in hand-sewn long underwear they'd be like i don't really take you seriously and then you're like no look at these bullet cases and be like oh shit that's the real asriel my mask was made out of pantyhose that i had to get two uh actually and cut them identically because i needed two layers because you could see my face too easily through the first layer. And like my mashed up nose and lips. How do you, so is that conversation, mom talking to Soren, have you seen my pantyhose?

Or is that conversation, Soren talking to mom, can I have some money to buy some pantyhose for a nighttime thing I'm doing? for a nighttime thing I'm doing. I don't recall asking for money, but that makes me sound like maybe I was just a rich kid. I don't recall asking for money. As a matter of fact, it's never happened. I do remember being at Ben Franklin, which was like the local store,

and buying pantyhose for my face. And we would sneak out at night. We put on our costumes and sneak out a window and we were ready to fuck somebody up. So we had a big plan. There was a guy in my town at the time who apparently had been inside the women's

restroom at the park. And a woman had gone in there. There was a guy in there. She freaked out and left and then it made headlines this is classic maggie's snake oh yeah yeah yeah this is escaped iguana in the ladies room and so uh we were like we're gonna catch this guy and so if you can imagine then three kids dressed with masks on staking out the women's restroom in the middle of the night in the park trying to catch this joker. And never did. But there was one time when we were out on a mission and there was a woman riding her bike who fell off of it and really, I think, hurt herself.

And we all went running to her aid and I think sort of surprised her because she had no context for what was going on and so yeah I remember it being as like deep in the night uh you know when it's darkest just before the dawn but I think it was actually probably yeah I think it was probably like 9 30 she was like just coming back from dinner or something and uh yeah we shocked her. And we didn't last too long in that. I can't remember why we disbanded, but I think it might've been that we didn't catch any criminals and lost interest. So here's my question.

What did your parents think you were doing? They thought we were doing dress up. I think I should check in with my mom again. Cause she took some pictures of us, some very serious pictures of us out on my deck. After we'd had like a training session on the trampoline and we were all like we were feeling it. And so we asked her to take a picture of us out on the deck. And she I don't I don't know what their feeling was on it other than it was just a boy playing cosplay maybe without having that terminology in her head yet.

And I don't think any of them knew we were going out at night. They didn't know that your intention was to stop crime. They didn't know that. You had a very serious job to do. Right. I don't think they did i think if we told them they would say that was too dangerous which i think every crime fighter must go through with their parents except for batman and spider-man too and well you know what actually a lot of them

in middle school there uh i did have a friend i had a best friend named John. And at one point, I found out that I was very good at pratfalls, which, you know, as a kid, you want to capitalize on all the skills that you can market to find more friends. Yes, every kid wants to be Buster Keaton. Yes, naturally, naturally. So we started the John's Pain and Death Academy where we would teach children, you know, just how to like fall and make it, you know,

look like, yeah, you had really been hurt. And luckily no one was ever hurt seriously. That's basically the end of the story. Maggie, what? Yes, yes yes What are you Just a bunch of Harold Lloyd fans trying to teach kids The next generation of pratfall

What So If I'd never met you before And Saw a transcript of this conversation I would spot age guess you at she was born in 1923 back when kids were allowed to be Harry and Pratt Falls were a skill that made people like you I want to live in a world where a young hairy girl can start a pain and death academy

on the playground and just have swarms of people running after her, asking to be her best friend. And that's the future I fight for. Amazing. You are no question

my favorite person to talk to in the world. I do think we need to probably come to the end of this show unless Sorin has any other questions or you have anything that you wanted to discuss? Fuck you.

Jock bully. Jock bully. Jock bully. Well, you know, Daniel's been fishing. Soren, what have you been doing, you know, besides being a wonderful father to your wonderful children? Well, not growing vegetables, I can tell you that much. Daniel's been fishing. I won an Emmy last week.

No, you've only been fishing. I reclaim my time, Daniel. I've been building stuff. I built a bench, Maggie. That's so cool, Lauren. That's way cooler than whatever Daniel's been doing.

It's freaking awesome. I built a garden box. Whoa. Rebuilt. My bed was getting really squeaky, so I rebuilt the bottom of my bed. Whoa. And some painting and some staining. Do you know staining?

Yeah. That's really cool. Maggie, I know you don't listen to the show. Do you know that Sorren had a second baby? I do. I do know, yes. I did say babies. Let the record show.

I'm pretty sure I might have said babies, plural. You said I was just being a wonderful father, which should not be plural. That's perfectly normal. She's great. She's an adorable little baby who like who smiles very easy which is um you don't feel like you earned it but it's actually really just sort of nice every single time and has taken to sleeping with a blanket over her face which is terrifying

that's oh yeah she will we have these little things called loveys, which are like a 12-inch by 12-inch square that has a head on one side of like a fox or a raccoon. And we keep that in her crib with her, and she will find it no matter where it is and drag it over her face and leave it there. Whoa. That's going to be a kid that's going to have a goth phase. Which is healthy and normal and just great.

It's fine. It's fine. She looks just like me. It's crazy. My son looks like my wife and my daughter looks like me. I look like my dad and my brother looks like my mom. There you go. There you go.

Daniel looks like no one. You look like an eagle an animal eagle i don't know if you know how um hurtful the end of this podcast has been because you're we're friends though right but we're having a camera follow us and uh you're so engaged with Soren's stuff and you're like legitimately excited for him and then you said I look like no one as an afterthought. This is like

so you're in California. I'm in New York. It's almost 930. This is going to be the last thing I do tonight is Maggie negging me relentlessly. More like megging. That soccer star is great.

But I'm chipping. I mean, I was a jock for like a hot second in high school. This sucks so bad. Daniel, do something to impress me. No. I can congratulate you, but until then. I tried do something to impress me. No. Next time I come on here, I can congratulate you.

But until then. I tried so hard to impress you already and it didn't work. And now I'm sliding into some fisherwoman's DMs like a fucking creep. She might respond, Daniel. You don't know that she won't. She won't. You never know. You never know.

All right. Well, I have You never know. All right. Well, I have to track down the social accounts. Maggie, a thing you don't know about the show is that it takes a very long time for us to track down our social accounts to promote the show and everything like that. That's great. And it usually requires, like, physical travel and distance away from the microphone so uh we ask our guests to fill that time while we're traveling great so while i go get those gonna be gone yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna be i'm gonna be gone um and i'm gonna get those accounts but in the meantime i wanted you to have an opportunity to have a conversation

with Soren, where you're both using your Australian accents. So, go ahead. G'day, mate. Oh, what part of Australia are you from? I'm from Le Melbourne, haven't ya? Yeah. Crikey, I'm from Perth.

Perth? Yeah, Perth. I think they're on opposite sides of the continent and country. It's weird they were a continent and a country isn't it? That's all I can talk about because it's always on my mind being an Australian person. Crikey I just got bit by a spider of some sort. Well, if it's big, you're going to have to suck that out of your wound. How big is it? It's a big one. I think it ate a bird before it got to me.

Yeah, that's bad. That's bad. Do you have any Australian listeners? This could not have gone better. Yeah, we do. We've got like, we're big in Queensland. Dang.

Yeah, Maggie. Sorry, I still, I still can't find these accounts. Talk about Queensland, Australia. Say something special to our Queensland listeners. Hey, all you Queensland Australians. You know, just thank you guys for, you know, for listening. These two crikes, you know, and they're jib-jabbering on their little podcast. I'm sure they enjoy it very much.

You turn in, whoa. You can find Maggie at Maggie May Fish on Twitter. That's Maggie spelled the way you assume, M-A-E, Fish spelled like the thing. You can find Soren at Soren underscore LTD. You can find our CFO, Michael, last name not included, at MakeMeBaconPlease, PLS. You can find and hire our engineer, producer, editor,

very nice man, Gabe, at GabeHarder.com. We have a Patreon that you can find if you do just the base amount of Googling that a person could do if this is the kind of thing they wanted. Other than that, I don't have much more to say. Maggie, is there anything that I... Maggie, that was excellent. You actually had some real Australian in there, it felt like. Did I?

Oh, thank you. You slipped in and out of some really good Australian. As they would say, that was fair dinkum. I think one of the things that I love about Maggie's Australian accent is that almost everything she said started with ow! I feel like you need that running ramp

to really finish it off. Is there anything that you would like to plug that we did not plug? Oh, no. That's about all of the things you can find. You can also find me on YouTube, all you Queensland loyals,

with my same name. And, no, that's it. Thank you very much for having me. That was pretty good. That was pretty good. That was pretty solid. Oh, my God, this was so much fun. Thanks, Maggie.

Thanks for coming on the show. What a treat this was. This was so fun, much fun. Thanks, Maggie. Thanks for coming on the show. What a treat this was. This was so fun, you guys. Oh, man. What a delight. Okay, bye. Bye. Bye-bye.