Quick Question with Soren and Daniel - Revisiting After Hours

Episode Date: November 14, 2023

The guys are revisiting some of their old After Hours takes. They get into how the show may have shaped the current state of online film discourse, how it's hard to stop their brains from watching media through that lens, and how Soren's perspectives on Batman (and policing) have evolved.Thanks Raycon! For a limited time, go to https://www.buyraycon.com/qq for 20% off your entire Raycon order and select products up to 50% off.Get 15% off your next gift at uncommongoods.com/QQFollow the show on socials: https://www.linktr.ee/QQPodcastSoren Bowie: https://twitter.com/Soren_LtdDaniel O'Brien: https://twitter.com/DOB_INC

I've got a quick, quick question for you, alright? I wanna hear your thoughts, I wanna know what's on your mind I've got a quick, quick question for you, alright? The answer's not important, I'm just glad that we could talk tonight So what's your favorite? Who did you get? When do I be remembered? What's it all about? Where did all the bad things go? Oh, forget it I'm sorry a movie, Daniel O'Brien

Two best friends and comedy writers If there's an answer, they're gonna find it I think you'll have a great time here I think you'll have a great time here Hey everybody and welcome to another episode of Quick Question with Soren and Daniel, the podcast where two best friends and comedy writers who generally live across the country from one another talk and occasionally get together and do it. We're now together. This is both an audio and a visual version of this podcast where you can watch it on YouTube, where Dan and I are together in the same room. I am one half of

that podcast. I'm Soren Bui, writer for American Dad, and wearing the same pants I wore for the last three episodes. If you're watching this on video, you'll notice same pants haven't changed because it's movie magic. The other half of this podcast is daniel o'brien daniel please say hello and talk about your pants hello i am daniel o'brien uh senior writer for last week tonight with john oliver and author of how to fight presidents and its children's adaptation your presidential fantasy dream team and i am wearing the same pants that i've been wearing for a while and uh it's now occurring to me that they're a darker pant and I'm wearing a black shirt. And I don't like that.

Really? I don't love it. No. It's a little too matchy-matchy for me. And like it's not the, like the black of the top is not the exact black of the pants. I don't think it should be. I think this is good. I think what you've got going on is working.

It's too close. Well, the pants aren't black. The pants are kind of like a gray. And that's a perfect combo for a black. That sets the stage for a real dark black to walk in. Thanks to Raycon for supporting Quick Question. To get everyone in the holiday shopping spirit

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Sure. I've got these Merrell shoes, which are shoes that I bought because I found that I was like, when I go on hikes and things like that with my kids, or we'd find ourselves out in the wilderness, that I was slipping around a lot. So I was like, I need something with some good traction. So I got these Merrell shoes. They're black and gray shoes. Oh, dark black and light gray. Very similar outfit.

But then there's brown on the bottom. And brown, that feels like a huge break of the law, where I'm wearing black and then also brown appears on the bottom and brown that feels like a huge uh break of the law where i'm wearing black and then also brown appears in the same outfit yeah and within the same shoe that's lawless yeah totally it's uh the interesting thing about doing this podcast and and doing it for video specifically is uh it makes me realize that i have not had to really think about my outfits for quite some time yeah not six after hours we we are on strike so i haven't had a job to go to and even before that we were we'd been remote so really it's whatever shirt i felt like putting on for the two minutes a week that i was on a zoom call for work.

And then the rest of that time is just mine to be sleeveless and in swim trunks or whatever I feel most comfortable in. And so the fact that I had to like go through my closet and it was like, what, what shirts do I think I should wear on, on, on camera? I, I just never think about my wardrobe at all anymore, except for like date night or going to see my, my family. But generally that's like, there's two shirts that I wear for those two things that I interchange over and over again.

It was nice to lose that, lose that decision from my life. I really enjoyed that. Um, I'm the same way, but I really felt it from after hours that when I tried to like, when I'm getting ready to come to this, I know we're going to be shooting three of these.

I'm like, Oh, I got to pick out the outfits. Yeah. Oh no. And like that, I didn't felt that, that like dull,

like, I don't want to do this since after hours when we would, those were all our own outfits. Those were our clothes. Right. And you'd go through it and you'd be like, what have I already worn? What did they see me in?

There was something that makes sense thematically for the episode. We used to put that thought into it. I don't know if this is like, I hate my wardrobe or I hate myself or what it is, but like, I don't have a problem if I have to get up and get dressed for something. What am I going to wear to go out to dinner or to go to the movies i'll just put something on when tasked with like pick three shirts that are that you like that are good i'm just like i don't know about that well you're also on vacation too so you're like you're really limited yeah um well speaking of after hours um dan i have a quick question to you and this is actually coming to you from gabe harter this is uh our director great and our sound engineer and editor and all around great guy, Gabe Harder. When we would do After Hours, we would come up with essentially these theses around pop culture. Correct.

Now that we've moved on like 10 years or whatever it's been, has it really been 10? I don't know, man. We started in like 2013. Yeah. Are there opinions that you now resent? That you don't think hold up? That your mind has been changed? Yeah.

There's a broader thing about After Hours that I think I talked about on a live stream that we did with the rest of the, with Michael and Katie, the rest of the crew in the middle of COVID where I've, I've seen some ripple effects of after hours, like the way that film discourse on the internet happens now. It's, uh, I don't want to sound like I'm one of those old guys who's railing against cancel culture or anything like that. But it does feel like the way people talk about movies, they are looking for reasons why the movies are bad or they fail a test. Things they should have done. noticed this this plot hole or i noticed this like if you watch this movie through a feminist lens or a queer lens or or any kind of critical lens you want um you can see why the movie is bad and problematic and that's why we shouldn't like it like like the it it's it seems like it's become an amateur sport to find why movies are actually bad and bad for you. And I, uh, I don't want to give us complete

credit or blame, but I, I do think you can trace a dotted line from what we did, uh, to the current state of film discourse online. Um, and I wouldn't change anything really, but I, I, I guess I would just do like companion pieces to every after hours thing that we did or article. Anytime we did anything was secretly terrifying or this is actually horrifying or where this is bad. and affection and attention. And like the stuff that we were doing wasn't new. I was an English major who studied literary theory. And this has like been going on for as long as people have been making things was like, let me look at this poem from, with a feminist lens or, or, or through queer theory or postmodern theory, however you want to deconstruct something you weren't, the goal was not to destroy it was just like here is an interesting way to read this yeah and that's what we were

trying to do with every after hours episode that we did was was just like this is we don't actually think disney movies are bad for people here is an interesting way to reframe your thought process about these disney movies um so your answer is all of them all of them yeah yeah i mean i just think it's it's we we perhaps contributed to a misunderstanding of the way to engage with pop culture yes i think that that's that's absolutely true i think that when you start hearing like politically when you hear an argument from the other side and somebody's making like um they're giving you like their spiel on why what you believe is wrong yeah you're waiting waiting and waiting for that one moment in it where you're like ah that's wrong i don't have to listen to you or like that that there you oh i

caught you there like you were being hyperbolic that's not actually true i don't have to listen to you yeah and now we're treating film that way or or pop culture in general that way where it's like you're just like looking for the hand you're trying to find the hang-ups or like the things where they they're not quite right and then being like ha the whole thing fucking sucks right like let's blow the whole thing up there's there's there's a real it's it's it's interesting and helpful that you mentioned politics too because there is a real in conversation with the this film discourse thing people online love to be like i like ted lasso but i i wouldn't want to know who he voted for in in right the trump hillary election like like people want to find

which fictional characters would have voted, uh, in a way that they, they don't like. And, uh, I, unless you're doing it as like,

like a, just a purely fun hypothetical exercise. I don't know why you're trying to like cancel fictional Ted Lasso for his alleged political views. Well, what are you doing yeah yes um i think that we always especially with after hours is like we tried to come at it from a perspective of we love this thing here's this unique thing we noticed about ghostbusters yeah and like let's figure out this is just like this one moment in ghostbusters like well why is that there as opposed to being like ah that's wrong it's like well let's see what that means instead of that being a plot hole let's

take it a step further and think why would that intentionally be there and what are the ramifications for that universe that's there and like then that's fun because then you're playing again like then you're like actually like playing a game like figuring that out and trying to think of it through and i think that a lot of cinematic discourse now stops at that first part which is that's a weird thing get it out of here yeah they shouldn't have done that it's like no let's now think it all the way through and be like okay well why is it there or like what are even if it is a mistake what does it mean like what does it mean for all this this universe that that's there and that's a way more fun i just think it's a more fun way to think about things um i have one yeah all that said i

have specific ones too like episodes that i don't agree with anymore i i i wrote an episode about the police in movies and television and how we are by nature the police have to be bad at their jobs in movies yeah um generally if it's not a movie about police it's still like the police aren't solving the crime like whatever's going on like the police are not helpful and that's why your hero has to deal with it um or if there's a movie about police then it's generally like the rest of the police department is not getting it and like they're not doing a very good job and this one person this one detective is the only one who's like seeing the light yeah it's like it's hard to go through and like figure out any sort of movie where the

police are actually good at their jobs right and and more often than not a plot hinges on like if there is a cop who does who is our hero that we're following it's the cop is only successful because they behave like not a cop they do vigilante stuff like john mcclain is a cop who is so frustrated with the incompetent other cops in either la new york washington dc or russia oh that was like gonna be like dayton ohio no he he has to do it himself he has to like he realizes all right all these cops are dumb so i'm gonna do this uh by not following the book by not doing procedure i'm gonna i'm gonna save the day by being essentially batman right and i think well that point stands that uh police inevitably have to be bad at policing within these movies for them to like make sense uh i came at it from the perspective of this is only happening in movies and i think that i've

since come around to the fact like no that's a pretty accurate description of policing that policing like the police are not as good at their jobs as, as we would tend, we'd want to believe that they are like these, the, the open murder cases that remain open are like 90% of them. And that you, we now are getting a lot more footage and stuff of police, like doing a really bad job at their jobs. And this isn't just abuse and like them,

like abusing their power and stuff. This is also just like them at traffic stops and stuff where they just don't know what they're fucking doing. Yeah. And, and so I think it was like, just shooting out of slides faster than anyone has ever traveled through a slide i don't know how dated that reference is going to be by the time this episode comes out but at the time of recording completely divorced of context we've all watched it uh

boston police department fucking cop fire out of a slide well not not fire out a cop had gone down a tunnel slide you hear like rattling in there A cop had gone down a tunnel slide. You hear like rattling in there. Like a child has dropped a race car down a slide. There's rattling of hard shit in there. And then all of a sudden a cop comes out face down. Yeah.

Out of a slide. No one pushed him. It's super embarrassing for the cop. And there's like lines of people in Boston because Boston is always going to Boston. There's lines of people going down that slide and filming themselves being super normal and not exiting it face down at high speed

with a head injury. 70 miles an hour. And as far as I know, we don't actually know what happened. And like Boston PD is just like, we are investigating this. Everyone turn around. Yeah.

This guy comes out so mad at the slide. And then somebody did another video where all they did was they reversed it. And so like this cop like gets sucked into a slide. And I sat for an entire morning just laughing at this. Like watched it maybe three times and that like the rest of the morning that was i was good like i was just like getting tea and stuff just like cackling at the thought of this cop getting sucked into a slide anyway um i'd come around the soren in the in after hours was like very on the side of police yeah and this was a hard thing for him to take and i've now and at the time i think i genuinely believed it like no the police and movies are way

more incompetent than actual police departments. And I just, I don't know that I believe that anymore. You did, you were given a tough beat that in retrospect is probably difficult for you to swallow. Like you are, the character of Soren in the show is super law and order. super law and order. Yeah. Like, that is a through line for every episode

that, again, if people, if, if film Twitter wanted to go out and be like, which one of the

After Hours characters voted for Trump? Oh, it's 100% Soren. 100% the Soren character. Yeah. Oh, absolutely.

Or like, he's one of those people who's just like, I don't get involved in politics. They're all the same. They're bad on both sides. Yeah.

Yeah. That would be one that I who's just like, I don't get involved in politics. They're all the same. They're bad on both sides. Yeah, that would be one that I would, that I've since been like, you know what? Even I was too kind on real world police. It may be too early to start decorating for the holidays, but it's never too early to start your holiday shopping. Why not take care of it now, before the crowds and packed calendars make shopping a total nightmare?

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wanted to wear something nice and like we're all like stylized later after hours episodes t-shirt all the way the laziest things i could possibly do and like we wrote uh opportunities for michael and i to exit in that episode because you and Katie, your characters are getting into a fight and we decide we're going to leave. So like that's additional coverage of us standing up and exiting. We also wrote a beat where you and Katie are standing. That's more coverage. That's all this shit that looking at it is like this is I'm glad we did this. It looks good.

looking at it, it's like, I'm glad we did this. It looks good. I also know that we didn't do anything like that in later episodes of the show because we were just thinking if we have the characters stand up, that's gonna be like a whole new setup with camera and lighting. That's gonna make our day longer. So no one ever stands

up. No one ever changes. You and Katie turn into Batman and Catwoman and there's like dramatic lighting and like full costumes and you make out in it. And it's like, it looks so cool. Never again. I want to get home. Yeah.

And there's also a lot of really fun post stuff that happens in that one, which is like little animation things that are happening just in the real world, as opposed to just our brains. Like it's happening in the real world. And it's's we gave up on a lot of that shit yeah well the behind the scenes on that episode is i think it was the first episode that cody started doing animations for it and he is he's really auditioning for the for the job he really wants yeah everyone to see how much bells and whistles he put into it so busy yeah um but in a. Um, but in a, I think in a good way, I mean, it helps the episode and it's fun to, it's compelling to look at while you're getting basically a dissertation on

Batman. Right. Um, but yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's a lot.

That's all those things I just observed are like for you and I to notice being part of it. Yeah. Uh, for the purposes of our episode though, um, I don't super agree with the arguments. I mean, it is still true that Bruce Wayne can do a lot of good by donating.

I do think within the universe of all Batman fiction, he does do. Yeah, he's got a Wayne Foundation. He is very philanthropic and does a whole lot of stuff. and and does a whole lot of stuff and uh the central conceit of the argument against batman is uh he shouldn't be batman he's just a rich asshole who likes to dress up like a bat and beat people up and that's bad uh i think the art the counter argument that i would make to that argument now is yeah that's the point of batman like i don't we're not pointing out anything new like he is not supposed to be uh 100 correct like it's it is an ongoing threat in batman that like yeah he is a little bit crazy

that's kind of the point of batman yeah the point is is he's a little bit nuts and you don't you shouldn't get any like gold stars for pointing that out yeah yeah i it also feels like an argument that after when we did it i remember being in the room when we were like deciding like we're just like coming up with like uh elements of pop culture we're like well let's just talk about them like we were doing what would be an later be an after hours episode but like a very unpolished version of it we'll be like let's talk about batman and like we started talking about like wait that man has a lot of money like what at the time it felt like a very fresh pioneering yeah argument and now it's like the argument's been made so many times that it feels really dead and in a way where i'm like

it's not fun like it's a we we like batman it. Yeah. And I think a lot of people are coming at it from this perspective of like, they don't like Batman and here's why I don't like Batman. He can be doing way more. And it's like, no, no, no, no. That was just like a fun hypothetical. I don't want to watch a movie where, where Bruce Wayne sets up a charity foundation. That sucks. Also, I mean, and maybe we're not getting it from all the movies. We certainly got in the last Batman, the Batman, but he's like the world's greatest detective too. That's like a really fun aspect of him. Yeah.

That we ignored for that after hours episode, which is, yeah, he's a guy who puts on costumes and goes a bunch of punches criminals, but he's also like the only person in the world who can solve this scarecrow problem. Like he's the, and he has to do it by punching guys.

It just so happens. Um, yeah, I agree with you. Going back and revisiting that one, I like the performances in it. I like the choices that get made. I do like that we wear the costumes. I like that there's a

behind-the-scenes fun thing that happens where the food is getting delivered to the set and this guy walks past the window and happens to see Katie and I dressed as Catwoman and Batman kissing and stops and comes back and looks. Yeah, that's not an actor. That's like a real person who is delivering food. Yeah.

That's all really fun. But I agree with you. The argument itself, at this point, I'm like, no, no, it's not. We're not doing that now. That was another Soren is pro cops episode. Yes. Yeah. I think you specifically say you wouldn't blame cops if prisons failed i'm like oh boy didn't hold up so well um somebody the reason i thought of that police one was because somebody had made a tiktok of it being uh my

argument is in it is very pro cops and katie in the episode for the fun of the episode it hates cops and hates them but like in a very confusing way like she has like this whole vernacular for them that no one's ever heard of before um and uh and somebody had done where we were arguing about police forces and like how useful they are in the episode and somebody had put on over me put like a boomer position and like a young maybe millennial position on the other one i think at the time it may even be gen z i can't remember but like hearing the two arguments i'm like yeah i mean that checks out like the arguments that i'm giving are pretty dated um but yeah that would be the one i think i would change i think batman is a good one to revisit and be like, well, let's all stop doing this.

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for the purposes of this episode. And if this one does well, then we'll rewatch and talk about more after hours. It's not a show that I rewatched, not because I'm not proud of it or that I don't like it. It's just, it's a lot of me talking.

And how would you find it if you wanted to watch it? But it was... So yeah, so I don't rewatch any of them and we would do them in batches and also there were

different writers for different episodes and it was so long ago. I remember very little of it. Yeah. There are episodes that I've seen. So when you're talking about

like a... I don't know what episode you're talking about when you say we had a cops in movies episode oh you don't i know i remember the running bit of katie being anti-cop and and like that was a fun thing to find and and play with but i don't i have no memory of that episode whatsoever yeah uh there's also i occasionally they'll show up in my right rail just just like when I'm watching YouTube. Yeah. And there was one that I saw and I was like, that sounds really interesting. And I was watching, I was like, this is very interesting.

I wrote this one. And I was like, they're gone. I mean, they're completely, I think you and I ended up writing most of the majority of the episodes, I think. Yeah. Where he ended up being you and me. Yeah. But there are episodes now that i guess i just wrote and then like i had no memory of there was a quentin tarantino one about like how food is used in quentin tarantino movies and i was like watching it and i was like very

interested in like what it means the characters that are allowed to eat in the movies are always like the characters of power and i was like looking back and i was like this is great like this is a really interesting thesis and then i was was like, oh shit, that's my joke. Oh, I wrote this episode. I do like how much fun we had with it. I'm happy that the Batman episode opened with Diner Russian Roulette, a game that I played with my brothers growing up where you have four or however many people are at the table,

sugar packets, empty one of them out, fill it with salt, shuffle them around, and then someone has to eat a bunch of salt yeah everybody puts sugar in their mouth except one person yeah who has a bunch of salt and they pay and i i when i when i watched that bit in this episode i was like oh yeah i used to just like there there was a a an era of of after hours before we dialed it in so tightly of just like, this is an essay show with a series of arguments. There was a period before that

where it was like, we'll get some fun business to do up front. And like, even Soren and Katie hooking up was like a needless character thing that I thought,

yeah, this would be fun. And like, we had like backstory for all the characters who dated whom at any point. And we just like, we used to pepper those things in until we just got all old and tired and was like all right lights up action someone says I think Sonic the Hedgehog is bad someone says I actually think he's good that's an episode we're done now yeah we we spent a lot of time with Jack early on thinking about like the characters' backstories and like who they were and stuff.

It turned out none of that shit mattered. And like, it's fun to watch that stuff kind of just fall away through the seasons where it's like, nobody cares about that. Yeah. What people care about is that these are four people that feels like it could be you and your friends. Yeah. And they're arguing about Ghostbusters. Yeah. Yeah.

Ghostbusters. Yeah. We also found like all the early work that we did where it was like well Katie's character and Michael's character

used to date. Yeah. And they broke up and Soren is like the cool kid who

like we had so many such a convoluted reason for why you would hang out with these nerds. It felt really important

at the time. Yeah. Like Jack was just like I don't know why is soren there what what is he getting out of this relationship with these goblins yeah and all that ever that we put in the beginning didn't account for the fact that you and i were just gonna have really fun chemistry on set that we liked. And the audience liked that nobody planned for. It was just like that. The, the show gradually became big brother, little brother.

Yeah. And then whatever Michael and Katie were doing. It is really interesting. Like just because of the choreography of it, like where everybody happened to be sitting at the table, it really changed the dynamic of like real friendships in the world. Like, um, and it was like, we, to be sitting at the table, it really changed the dynamic of like real friendships in the world.

Um, and it was like, we, we just had like fun business to be doing when we're in a two shot together and it just became like, oh, this is great. Um, and I, and I think that it probably would have, it probably would happen with anybody else at the table. It's just like, it happened to be like, we were both on the same side and that was very fun. And then Katie and Michael had the same situation where like, they were were doing really fun fun bit stuff on their side of the table and like uh i i don't know i i wonder if we'd ever like shuffled it around if it would have changed if i'd be doing this podcast with somebody i do occasionally i my brain doesn't stop working that way like it did for after hours which was

watching everything with the lens of, of critical theory. And because that's, that's what you're taught your entire, that's what you learned in college. That's like all you studied. Right. It was all I did in college was, was,

was apply different critical lenses to different pieces of literature. And then I was so excited to move on to crack and like, let me put this on back to the future. Yeah. Please. All this time that I felt like I was wasting when I was young, when I was watching TV and my parents were like, you should be outside. I'm like, no, that was valuable. Now it all matters. That felt really nice. I still can't turn it off though. Now I watch shows and things will come up

and I'll be like, oh, that would have been a really good after hours. And I don't know if that happens for you. It happened for me recently with succession oh um and brendan who worked on this show with us uh he was what was he's a b is it uh the pa no what is it sure well brandon worked on after hours and i think he was occasionally like an assistant director and stuff but he uh was on a lot of you you've actually seen him probably in episodes and stuff not episodes of the show, but, um, different sketches and stuff. Anyway,

he clued me to this as well, which is in succession. Um, the, everybody's relationship to food in succession is also very fascinating where they don't touch the food. Um, and in fact, if you eat, it's a weakness in that show where everybody that you watch them,

they'll show up at restaurants and it'll just be like food on the tables or like those places where there are platters of stuff. And the kids and also Brian Cox, like they don't touch any of the food. The idea is that like you will always have food available to you. You don't take it when you can get it. Yeah. And that's a sign of power. And then you've got people who are eating there and like it's always their look down upon when they're eating right it's like what the

fuck you're actually eating here fisher stevens takes a big plate of food when they're in uh sweden or norway or something and it's like a big joke yeah it's like that like look at this idiot who took the free food it was bait yeah it was like the the other people show up and they see who ate who's actually eating yeah like oh yeah you're nothing you're eating a croissant fog that's interesting um i don't watch much with that that same after hours lens anymore oh really and even like uh i recently did michael and abe's podcast frame right where we talked about men in black and i started watching that movie thinking, all right, let me put on the After Hours hat when I watch this and see what doesn't work and what's problematic. And like five minutes

into the movie, I was like, this rules. This is cool. I like it. This is fun. Shoot the aliens. I don't care. I want to get there. I really liked that. I mean, even just watching Vampire's Kiss, I was like watching the beginning and I'm like, ah, but why are we watching so much of the city? I guess I wonder what if you if you do that when you're watching like programming with your your kids, if you're if you're thinking about like because if all of my worst nightmares came true and we were still doing After Hours today, then they would inevitably be like a Paw Patrol episode. And what does Paw Patrol mean? the this fascist dog squad right so i wonder if you like as you're watching bluey or whatever the hell else you're watching with the kids if they're if you're thinking about if it would hold up to a critical lens i do and my son it's clear that my son enjoys playing the game yeah yeah that's good um he's there are

certain shows that he feels like he's aged out of and he really likes doing it with those shows like paw patrol is one of them where like as soon as he's like we can we talk about paw patrol because he knows that i'll do this and i'll be like sure and uh i'll be like so who's like who's funding the paw patrol like what is anybody funding that are they doing the good nature of their heart also they can't just be doing that because where all the vehicles coming from and Ryder doesn't have a job. Like where, where is all this coming from? And what does it mean?

And it's like, is, is the mayor and Chickaletta, like, are they the ones who are, who are doing this? Because then this is a really well run city. I mean, the fact that it's working and like this, these are the ones, these are the, the, they just a couple of puppies and a little kid save everybody. Maybe we should look into that system that seems to be working pretty well um but he really enjoys doing it or we do it with books all the time where um we're looking through where's waldo and i encourage anyone to just go

back through what where's waldo and look at all the scenes that are going on and try to figure out the relationship that the illustrator has with women because it's very complex um he draws them as so horny like all the women are into just these big muscle guys and it becomes a real problem in the dynamics of the script i mean the dynamics of the comic a couple times we're like guys are getting left behind because a woman just happens to see a guy in a speedo or whatever but these women are like jumping into rivers and stuff trying to get to strong guys yeah it's crazy when i was in this was like like the the coup of a lifetime the easter egg of a century when i was in second grade uh there was a big where's waldo uh poster and it was a one of the times that that

you couldn't find them at the beach and one of the scenes has like someone running through the beach and startling people, maybe a dog, maybe a person and a woman who was sunbathing gets up in shock and like she is topless. It's cartoon topless. But second grade, Daniel was like

I can't tell anyone about this because if I tell the teacher she's going to take it down. And I would just like make it a point to look at that poster every once in a while because you can't still try to find Waldo over here.

Really looking for him. Pretty sure he's in this corner. He's in this sweaty corner down here. Yeah, that's oh, what a gift that is to a second grader. Thinking about it now that there was some adult

who was like i'm just gonna like give her some her fucking titties are out too that's just for me this is just for that that little kid who wants to see this i mean we did the same when we go to the school library as kids i knew where the art section was because i'd be like i really want to look at some old sculptures there's booze all over these sculptures. I can see everything. I can see her. Look, she's not even wearing pants.

That's her butt. Yeah. I know that feeling when you're a kid and you're just like, whatever you can get. But then I, I don't know. I have a son who's now going into second grade and he's not in him. And I'm like, well, where did it come from in me? Where he just couldn't give it he couldn't give less of a shit like he does not care about sexuality or like nudity or

anything like that and and or even like the differences of the sexes and i think back on my childhood and i've i have memories of being seven or eight years old and having memories about like caring yeah and i was like where the fuck did that come from um i'm glad he doesn't by the way yeah it's really nice it's really nice to know that he's just a kid right it's it's important for some people to to to actually find waldo like that's that's what most people are doing because most people aren't perverts who's like yeah forget about waldo that's that's that's old news i'm looking for the real prize what's he there was there was a moment, I mean, I talked about it on the podcast. There was a moment where you're driving in the car when he was a little younger and we

happened to see somebody flashing their breasts in a car nearby. I don't think it was at us, but it was like, we happened to see it and he happened to see it. And I was like, that's a weird moment. I wonder if I just blame that. And he's like, dad, she wasn't wearing her seatbelt. Yeah. Attabelt. Yeah. Attaboy.

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