Quick Question with Soren and Daniel - The Artist Formally Known as Daniel and Soren

Episode Date: November 27, 2022

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I've got a quick, quick question for you, alright? I wanna hear your thoughts, I wanna know what's on your mind I've got a quick, quick question for you, alright? The answer's not important, I'm just glad that we could talk tonight So what's your favourite? Who did you get? What do I be? What's it up with? Oh, forget it. Saw a movie, Daniel O'Brien.

Two best friends and comedy writers. If there's an answer, they're gonna find it. I think you'll have a great time here. I think you'll have a great time here. So hello again and welcome to another episode of Quick Question with Soren and Daniel, the podcast where two best friends and comedy writers ask each other questions and give each other answers. I am one half of that podcast, senior writer for Last Week Tonight, author of How to Fight Presidents, and for the second episode in a row sick boy jaylo brian

join us always my co-host mr soren healthy boy buoy soren say health low health low everybody feeling pretty good but you know this is only going to be a short window and then i will be sick again i went dropped my son off at school the other day after his hand, foot and mouth disease cured up. And when I dropped him off at school, I drop him off and there's like lines for each class where they stand out in the play area and then they all go in together. I dropped him off in his line. We were late. So we barely made it on time. There were seven other kids. Ronan has with him, I think maybe eight kids in his class right now because everybody in the world is sick. Everybody was shut away for so long that their immune systems forgot how to act. And now everyone is sick. I'm worried I'm going to get my brother and sister-in-law sick

tonight because they've been wanting to have me over for dinner. And I've been like every day this week too sick and she's like no let's push it a day let's push it a day and so now i'm going over there today i wouldn't describe myself as better i think i'm i'm just i've i i just lost my mind a little bit and it's like yeah i know i'm still on 100 but like fuck it it. I'm sick of being in this house. I want to go to a different house and I guess get your whole family sick. Do you feel, I feel like you can kind of tell when you're contagious

and when you're not, when you're kind of like on the mend from something. Do you feel like you're on the mend or? I feel like I'm on the mend, but the first part, I don't think I understand. When are you supposed to not be contagious anymore? Is it just when you're on the mend? I think generally the rule is when you're producing a ton of mucus, you are still contagious. you are still contagious um or if you if the way the rule of thumb for schools is if your kid has not had a fever for the last 48 hours you're allowed to go to school okay well i definitely

you don't always get a fever i haven't had a fever yeah thanks to neutrophil for supporting quick question neutrophil is physician formulated to be 100% drug-free. They use natural medical grade botanicals and consistently effective dosages. You can grow thicker, healthier hair and support our show by going to Nutrafol.com slash men and entering the promo code QQ to save $15 off your first month subscription. That's sort of where I'm at though. Okay. Well, that's fine. i got a lot going on in my life that's cool do you want to talk about it yeah i went camping oh let's get into it where'd you go well idle wild which is outside of it's kind of like near palm springs but way higher it's probably it's just under 6 000 feet and if you'll remember daniel it's november i do generally what happens generally what happens that when you get to that altitude in november is that you get winter storms

which means snow and uh we were going to go for two days we were planning in november we planned a camping trip in november it's not not like the brightest decision I've ever made, but I was excited. I had new gear. I love that. I love that as a follow-up, not the brightest idea I've ever had, but I wanted to do it. It made me happy. It was originally going to be the whole family. Gilly was still recovering from hand, foot and mouth disease.

And so it was just Ronan and me and then his buddy and their family, his friend from school. And it was fun, but oh man, was it cold at night? It dropped down to about 35 while we were there. And, you know, even when the sun sets, it's immediately the temperature drops by like 20 degrees. It never got super warm there. And I was into it.

I was so into how cold it was in a way where it was like this part of me. I mean, I used to go on a lot of trips. I used to do backpacking trips and it would snow on us occasionally. And we're not even in tents. We have tarps, a ground tarp that we're sleeping on and then a tarp that we tie up over the top of us. And you're just trying to like stay out of the way. You have three of you sleeping underneath one and you're just trying to keep your sleeping bag away from the drips and away from snow. And when, as soon as I got back into this experience, it was like, it all came rushing back. And I was like, yes, I am a woodsman. This is what I was born for. My son didn't feel that as much. He really struggled with the idea of even layering clothes.

That was a foreign idea to him that you would layer up and trying to get his clothes on was confusing and hard. And I started to remember as a child that I went through a very similar thing where like he'd put his gloves on and would really fixate on the fact that he couldn't get with one glove on trying to put the other one on, he couldn't get the elastic part over his jacket or like to fully cover himself. So he was sealed in like a, like he was going to go deal with somebody with a virus. Like he really wanted that done and couldn't get it. It's just like the bunching of clothing was freaking him out. And, uh, I was like, you're fine.

You're fine. It's just, don't worry about it. But at the same time, I'm also remembering as a kid being like, no, this was a, this is a huge deal. This is just, somebody needs to solve this. I can't do it. I have to, my glove solve this i can't do it i have my glove is i can't use it i can't use my own fingers and uh i i just i was like trying to be very patient with him and like solve it for him and eventually like he got very into the idea of of how cold it was

but it took me so long that i was like maybe we shouldn't have gone on this trip, man. Yeah. That's rough. I'm sorry, man. That was all right. No, I mean, we did have a fun, it was a great time and we ended up, we didn't stay the two days because the second day it was supposed to snow and we decided we didn't want to wake up in snow and then have to put it, take the tent down in snow, take down camp in snow. Like all that sounds terrible. But I was really anticipating that we were very close to me being able to take my son back country camping really soon. And then this trip I was like, oh, we should wait a little bit. I think maybe seven is too early.

I think he needs to be a little bit older. I mean, it seems like it's got to be kind of a dream to get your kids excited about camping as early as possible and have that just be like, like a future recurring vacation option to you. It is. Yeah. I, I love the idea of it. Uh, and they are starting to warm to the idea of it. Good. Um, Gilly really likes it at this point because it's so easy for her. There's, it's just's just the fun i mean she doesn't have to do any work but him like i would make him help me with the tent and he hated that and then i made him there's like we had collapsible chairs and at the end of the the day i was or at the end of the trip i was like will you take apart one of these because i knew that was an easy job and he really like begrudgingly did it and

hated it the whole way and as soon as certain things would go wrong he'd go oh oh oh like it was the worst thing in the world that's true i hadn't realized what it would be uh evolutionarily for a kid where it's like you go camping and it's very fun and then you get older and it's like hey remember camping now you get to do some of the hard parts as well now you get to like a lot of work like like now that you've done it a few times now you get to uh carry things right yeah and so there are certainly elements of it that he did not care for yeah but he and his friend we did that one little hike uh and we just kind of let them do whatever they wanted on the hike. So we stopped a lot while they rock climbed and kicked rocks down hills and things like that. And he was way into all of that again. So certainly throughout the trip,

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about pop culture, Soren. You want to get into the show? Yeah. Yeah, let's do the show. Let's do the show. I'm going to ask the question first, and then I'm going to talk for a long time. It's a two-part question for an artist or a band

that you think will be, from your lifetime, that you think will be, from your lifetime, that you think will be undeniable if you present them to one of your kids, I don't know, 25 years from now. If you want to set them down and be like, this person kicked ass and surprised everyone when they came on the scene, and you're gonna be able to listen to it,

and you're gonna understand why, even if the context has changed uh which artists you think will hold up and fill that and which ones that seem transgressive and amazing in our lifetimes will not and here's the context for this question uh jerry lee lewis piano player around elvis and johnny cash times died recently and uh i'm fascinated by him like he is someone who completely missed me uh which is odd for me as someone who is like a big piano head listening to music um i knew who he was i knew he was i knew great balls of fire and i knew that he was like a very very good at what he did but i didn't really know

i couldn't pick out a song of his other than great ball great balls of fire and so i was reading a whole lot about him and like there's no greater disconnect than reading about someone from the past and then like doing your own education on them it was like the vulture headline when he died was jerry lee lewis was an sob right to the end the talented hell raiser of early rock dies at 87. and there are some quotes that i found from Rolling Stone that I liked. One was talking about him. He says, I have the devil in me, he shouted, and I'm dragging the audience to hell with me. His admirers called him affectionately the killer. Live at the Star Club, Hamburg is not an album. It's a crime scene. Jerry Lee Lewis slaughters his rivals in a 13 song set that feels like one long

Convulsion and there's like certainly like some of his mythology is like drug stuff and party stuff and he was like very abusive and and and scary and like by all rights seemed like a bad dude Yeah, but it's still all the stuff. I'm reading is like this guy's got the devil in him he's he's so quick when he showed up it was fucking crazy people were scared of this man the killer and I had all the stuff in my head as I've been reading about Jerry Lee Lewis and then I played a song of his off Spotify and like it's not a new observation to be like well the context is so different for me now than it was for anyone who was listening to him for the first time but it's it's such a funny disconnect to read all this stuff about this

hell raiser of rock and roll and then to play ubi doobie to just like hear that as the first thing i hear when i'm looking up jerry lee lewis and like in in some mild defense of his uh his he's a very good piano player his left hand is is monstrous but there was no funnier possible song after reading these rolling stone and vulture obituaries to play as your first jerry lee lewis song then ooby dooby yeah we i mean we lack the context of pioneers right because by the time a pioneer has come and gone you now everything that they've done is well trod by everybody else yeah so like that's the reason like wayne's world sucks is a movie now or like you go back and watch austin powers and it's like borderline unwatchable yeah because at the time

like everyone was quoting these movies and then we all just beat it into the ground but like yeah like these early musicians were probably doing really incredible stuff but without any of that context you're just like what the fuck is this? Yeah. I imagine for a lot of people, this was the first time they'd heard anyone play the piano like this. And so they're so shocked and moved by that, that they... And I don't know, maybe songs were just worse back then that they're like, yeah, this one's

called Ooby Dooby. They're all pretty stupid. I don't know. Good music's not been invented yet when you asked me about jerry lou lewis like i was like i think i know he's great balls of fire guy and so like i went and looked up great balls of fire and like the the video that i chose all immediately all the uh comments are like the chair kick is at this point this is like the time code for the chair kick. And everyone's like, unbelievable.

Like, this is amazing. Like, this is what music should be. And like this moment specifically is what they're calling out. And I was like, what is this? So like, I go look for that moment. And it's, it's, he's like playing live and he's doing the song. He's doing his weird faces. I don't know if that was his thing.

Like he sings out of the side of his mouth for a little bit and then on the other side for a little bit and then at one point he gets up to play really like hit the piano keys and he just scoots back from his chair and stands up what the that was it like no one had ever seen someone play piano standing up before it blew everyone's minds yeah at some point they were like what you can do look at the energy he's putting into it because until that point i guess people were just like nah the song is the energy i don't have to there's no showmanship to it yeah but this whole experience got me thinking about like who future generations will go through this with where they're gonna read an obituary or a story about someone from from my time who was billed as like scary or threatening or musically dangerous in some way and it's just not going to land and also the

opposite of that and my first one I think that a Jerry Lee Lewis of my lifetime is going to be Eminem which is someone whose context is super important to his music because he was like he is emerging after a time when like uh there was like manufactured moral panic about heavy metal bands with their their kiss their their knights in satan service and they do this devil music uh and uh parents were worried that it was going to turn all their kids into satanists or whatever and look how scary it is that man's spitting fire that guitar is so sharp look at all their makeup and all their all their fucking stuff and then eminem came out with none of this pageantry and he was much more terrifying as a guy in a white t-shirt and jeans who uh was talking about

murdering and and fights and doing drugs and he was doing it uh eloquently and clearly and in a way that kids absolutely loved and there was a million news stories about how what what a threat eminem was and a large part of that is is obviously going to be like here is this here is this the the white face of rap who was who was bringing rap to to places where it hadn't been previously in the suburbs and uh he was singing about killing his mom about killing his girlfriend or her fiance or wife or whatever it was and like i was like i was hiding the fact that i was listening to eminem from my parents there were some stuff where i could like yeah they can hear me listening to naughty punk music by Blink-182 and like some of the harder stuff that I was listening to. But Eminem was like, I have to somehow acquire this CD without my parents knowing.

And I have to play it when they're not around because this is like, this is some scary stuff. this is some scary stuff um and hopefully i've i've convinced our audience that it was at the time dangerous and and and transgressive it is something that i don't think i will be able to convince my future hypothetical children when they listen to this man with uh kind of a silly sounding voice if we're gonna be honest and he will be i will play them songs where uh i'm like no trust me this was like this was a big scary guy and it's these like very clowny songs making incredibly dated references comic book references yeah and like really bright and clowny music videos where it's like no kid trust me he he he said he was gonna he said he was gonna kill his girlfriend he he sang about it yeah one time he came on stage in a in a in a j mask. You understand? Yeah, he won an Emmy.

I mean, he won a VMA or whatever the fuck it was. And he came on stage to get his speech out of his pocket. And when he reached his pocket, a bunch of pills came out. Pills fell on the ground. We didn't know what they were.

So there you go. Yeah. Yeah, that feels like a really good one it feels like it's it's it would be very tough to convince kids of that i see that i mean he's he's a little bit dated for me now a couple years ago uh he released i think the m&m double lp whatever that was it was it's the one that has uh rap got on it and it's got a bunch of yeah uh it's it's one of his more modern albums and he hadn't put anything out in a while and even listening to that he was uh one of his lyrics was talking about like uh who should i go after next which jessica alba or beale? Maybe I'll make one at Justin Bieber.

And I was like, I don't know. It's like 2016. Don't leave both of those Jessicas alone. What are you talking about? Ah, yeah. I mean, he really was. And maybe that was part of the popularity too. He was a zeitgeist.

Like he was so good at responding to what was, he had his finger on the pulse of culture so well for that particular time. Yeah. That it, when you try and look back on that and you don't have the context of culture around you, it looks very silly. And for that same reason, I think that a person thatothario and an amazing showman will be Prince. Really?

Yeah. I think it's going to be because obviously the direction that culture is heading is more and more acceptance. And so also more and more people who are in your daily life who are androgynous or their sexuality is a lot more open now. And he was acting in rebellion against the opposite of that. He was acting in rebellion to more of a conservative idea of what sex is, of what a sexual person could be. And now you have this guy who is like 4'11", who frequently dresses kind of like a woman

and plays a guitar that's a mix of a symbol for a man and a symbol for a woman. And I mean, his talent is undeniable, but the songs are all about how great he is and how good he is at sex and stuff. And I think new generations are going to see that and they're going to be like, I don't understand what this is.

Like, why does anyone care about this? Yeah, that's very, very true. I remember this is kind of similar, but I remember thinking like my generation had britney spears and it was like so scandalous she's dressed as like a school girl but hot and then you smash forward a couple years and it's like and i guess the the heir to the britney spears throne is like oh that's miley cyrus she's got her fucking tits out just like out in the world never mind she keeps taking out her vagina during shows what why did we care about brandy spears unbuttoning her pants on the front

of rolling stone yeah i think that for that those same reasons i it's it's gonna be really tough to convince uh and part of like his sex appeal was that he was so comfortable with it and so confident with how sexual he was. It just didn't match his stature. It didn't match his look. And so I think you're going to have more and more people who are like that throughout our future. And people are just much more confident in who they are and understanding their sexuality. And they're going to look back on Prince and be like, yeah, he's just a guy. What was everyone so excited about? I feel kind of that way about David Bowie as well, but he's a little more,

he belongs a little more to history at this point than I think even Prince does, because he was kind of a generation before us. But David Bowie is the same way where people I think are going to be like, okay, so he was an alien for a while? Why? We don't know, man, but it was creepy. It was weird at the time. He made us call him what? Why did he make us call him that?

Stardust? Yeah, Ziggy Stardust. Was that supposed to be scary? I don't know. I think people would do the same thing. So then briefly, he was the artist formerly known as prince and then i think we could overjoin it to that would be like no yeah we also thought it was stupid at the time no one was on board with that we were all really unhappy

um yeah when he died there were a lot of really cool videos that surfaced of him, of him kicking ass at that George Harrison concert where the context was that he was barely invited. And then it's a bunch of great musicians all playing Still My Guitar, Gently Weeps together. It sounds amazing. They're all doing their own solos and stuff and then prince comes out at the end and appears out of nowhere and does this the most like face melting solo that's still perfect for the song in such a way that like it's it blows everybody else out of the water and then he just takes off his guitar and throws it into the ether like that's right. It never lands. We never saw it again. He just takes out his guitar, throws it and then walks off stage. And in terms of him as a performer and him as a musician, undeniable. But in terms of him as a human that we were all so fascinated with, I think kids, they won't understand why we would... Why did you give this guy so much attention? Yeah. that's pretty fascinating i do another one i think of is yeah and maybe he's already a little he's already been

on the shelf a little too long machine gun kelly i think we'll look back on machine gun kelly as being somebody who's very very silly yeah i don't i don mean to, to, I think every generation deserves their own Angelina Jolie, Billy Bob Thornton, crazy sexual horned up energy. And they are delivering on that front. I don't know. Here's where

I saw Machine Gun Kelly. I saw him in the most recent Jackass movie eating shit and getting knocked into a pool and I had a very intense reaction when I heard him speak and realized that he wasn't British because he just looks

so British but he's not he's just like a dude and I don't know, I can't name a single one of his songs I believe culturally, I understand that he did rap and pop punk. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. He did a song with Willow Smith. Okay.

Willa. Willa. I just called her Willow. Willa Smith. And that's a very pop punky song. And it's kind of some dog shit. And then he also did, he had like a beef with Eminem for a while where they were going back and forth. And I don't know why Eminem was even giving him the time of day. I guess because he just goes after, if he's willing to go after Jessica Alba, like nobody is safe. Yeah. But he's going after Machine Gun Kelly, Machine Gun Kelly is responding.

And like listening to his lyrics and listening to him rap, it's kind of embarrassing now a little bit. Yeah. He looks the part. He looks like he could be a sex pistol. Like he's got tattoos all across his body. His hair's a punk length. Yeah.

He looks so much more like someone who should be famous right now than Jack Harlow, someone else whose music I've never listened to but just like he came on my radar for hosting last week's saturday night live and was like this is this is someone we are excited to see move about and well and just it all feels very performative from here from him in a way where you think you feel like you're taking crazy pills where you're like does no one else see how performative this is that this is not who this guy is colson baker is his name machine gun kelly yeah yeah he is someone that just without any

context the same way that i first saw russell brand i was like well this man's clearly famous right otherwise yeah he wouldn't be able to do any of this he couldn't walk around the world looking like this yes but yeah he's I think maybe even within the next year it will be thought of that way I think Prince it'll take a lot longer, but yeah, I think with Prince, everybody will, it will seem so common at that point that everyone will look back and be like, well, who cares? What was he doing that was so special? I think on the opposite end of this, an artist in my lifetime that I would be supremely confident that I could just sit my future kid down and be like,

when this artist showed up, she was very cool and she sounded different. And you don't need it. Like, you will agree. She will be, she is timeless and will always be cool. And that's Alanis Morissette. I feel like I could put on Jagged Little Pill for anyone in the world at any time in human history, past or present or future. And they'd be like, I understand why this was cool.

I understand why this was an exciting thing in music. I think you can even take it a step further and say... Fucking much. Go ahead. No, I just said I love Alanis Morissette so much. Oh, you love her so much. So fucking much, yeah. So I think you can even take a step further

and say the people who, because there are musicians who, they came out, everyone was very excited about them at the beginning and they were so excited that it flooded the market with excitement and everyone turned. Everyone turned on them.

And Alanis Morissette sort of is that a little bit. Like everyone, that kind of like, I don't even know what to call her genre, but Fiona Apple lives in it. Tori Amos to a certain extent lives in it. And as soon as like she came out and it was revolutionary at the time, there was like a, the audience sort of turned at a certain point and like stopped liking Alanis Morissette. They started calling her shrill or like, you know, things like that.

I think that then the, when you remove that, that like dip in the historical context and new people discover them immediately, they're like, this is great again. And that's how I growing up. That's how the cars were for me.

I didn't understand that the cars at a certain point were very silly. And I was like, every single one of these songs rules. You do now though, right? No. I think the cars are awesome. I think the cars rule. I think my best friend's girl is so much

fun. That's pretty sweet. That's a band that if i'm just listening to whatever random serious xm station yeah you can tell within seconds oh it's the cars even if you've never heard that song before they they have an immediate uh corniness to them oh i don't know i wouldn't it's i think're just, they nail what they're doing really, really well. And that's why, I'm just prefacing it with the cars, because my choice for this

is somebody who is so good at knowing exactly what her genre is, knowing exactly what her lane is, and being just the best at it. Is this going to be fucking taylor swift no okay carly ray jepsen okay that's great yeah that's fine she knows how to make a fucking pop

song better than anybody she's so good at it and like and and i think that you know we want to hate pop like there's like this instinct in people to for around music, you just want to be niche. I don't know why. But the idea of pop is so scary to people. The idea of liking the same thing as a 12-year-old girl is not cool. But it's undeniable. You can't listen to, what was that first one that she had uh call me maybe yeah you can't listen to that song and i'll be like oh this is a really good song

i'm really enjoying this song my exposure to to carly ray jefferson was that song that song was everywhere when it came out and i didn't i didn't love it it's like undeniably catchy but i thought like it's not about uh feeling like i'm i'm embarrassed to like a song that was written for a 12 year old girl i just felt like oh this was not written for me i'm not the audience for this for this music and that's okay and then months or years later carly ray was performing at la pride festival and my friend uh my friend actually is an incredibly gifted singer who would tour with carly ray for years as one of her backup singers and so i went to go see my friend actually sing backup uh and as a consequence of that saw an entire carly raye Jepsen concert live

and it fucking rules. It rules and it rocks. And I really go from starting out thinking like, oh, I hope I get to see Ashley for a little bit to now it's 20 minutes in. I'm like, I hope she plays Call Me Maybe. I hope she fucking closes with it. I hope she plays it twice.

I'm having the best time. When that song starts showing up on like classic rock or whatever the classic stations are in the future i think people will listen to it and like they're gonna be like this is great you had this was like the music that this i can get behind this is fun yeah this isn't that rage against the machine you tried to play for me i didn't't understand that. Who were they so mad about? So, Alanis Morissette. Yeah.

I gotta think about that for a second. Why did you choose her over Fiona Apple? You love Fiona Apple. I do love Fiona Apple. I think there's room for both of them, certainly. I feel like Jagged Little Pill as a start-to-finish album is close, if not exactly perfect, of an album. That is just like, I can put that on for myself anytime. But also, I feel like I just, I could, uh, I would

love to meet someone who's never listened to a Landis Morissette. So I'd be like, oh my God, here's sit down and, and listen to this album and like go on its, its journey with it. And there's not a Fiona album that is in my head that does that same thing as jagged little pill does okay yeah jagged little pill was a super angry album yeah it has like a real theme of emotion throughout the whole thing yeah um but then like the later albums i feel like are a little silly like that song thank you i think is a it's a it's catchy but it's a little preachy. And that is, Jackie Little Pill would run us into the one difficult contextual moment if I'm showing that album to someone and they're like, and now...

I know where you're going. She's going down on some guy in a theater and who's that about? Like, listen, this part won't make any sense. We all dealt with this. We're pretty sure we know who it is and it's... Your opinion of Atlantis is only going to drop, so I'm not going to tell you. The information's on the internet, but like spare yourself. Pretend it was someone cool. Pretend it was Wayne Gretzky or something. Tony Hawk.

He kind of looks like Wayne Gretzky. Yeah. He kind of looks like Wayne Gretzky. Yeah. She has a type. Yeah, it is. It was like a... We all found that out pre-internet. Yeah. And like it made the rounds.

Like the rippling effect that that had through culture was so funny. Everyone was like, what? Uncle Joey? Like, what? Uncle Joey? And there was no way around it at the time. It was just like, no, you have to understand. This was the present.

Yeah, it does feel like you could put a Machine Gun Kelly type of silhouette in that position for like the person that she's mad at and be like, yes, I get it. But when you find out that that whole album is about Dave Klee, it's so embarrassing for her. Oh yeah. That would be actually, I'm actually going to look forward to telling my kids about that now. I'm going to make a note for them.

Yeah, I do. I mean, I can remember being on a field trip. We were taking the bus and we listened to Alanis that whole trip, like going there and coming back to this place called Mesa Verde, which is like these ancestral Pueblo ruins in Southern Colorado. Green table. Yeah, exactly. And we, the whole way there and the whole way back,

we just listened to Alanis Morissette. And like, we were, we were so fucking into it. It was, it, it was, it preceded punk for me. So it was like the most emotional music that I had heard. And I was like,

yes, this makes me want to, this makes me want to be mad. Yeah. I do think that there's, there's still not a, a ton of, uh,

angry singing women. I mean, because the, the culture we have, I think we have, we have, uh, yeah, yeah. a ton of angry singing women. I mean, because the culture we have, I think we have a- Yeah. Yeah, we used to drown women as witches if they did math. So I understand why nobody wants to be labeled an angry woman possibly.

I'm talking out of my ass here. But one of the reasons I think she would be so undeniable in the present or future is is because there's there you know not a ton of imitators have followed her the way that a lot of other archetypes have been followed that i could still surprise someone with like look how look how confident and and and mad and right she is yeah i'm trying to think of other artists that are doing this regina specter i guess is still kind of doing that she's allowed to be really upset and angry in her music but you're i mean you're right it's it doesn't it doesn't do well on like the broad spectrum for you to just make like a exclusively angry album, especially if you're a woman.

We're learning a lot today, buddy. I'm not so happy about that. Or maybe I'm just out of touch with music and now there's lots of people doing it and I just don't know it. Maybe Billie Eilish is doing this and I have no idea. Absolutely. The other elephant in the room right now is as i'm saying this i'm just like like making a writing down in my notepad investigate lana del rey let's see if she's doing these things that i've been talking about for 40 minutes do a do a loop loop leaper oh is she doing it I'm getting that name right

yeah yeah I don't know I'm really enjoying Doja Cat Dan do you listen to Doja Cat at all I've never listened to Doja Cat but one of my favorite activities after Halloween

is going through all of the celebrity costumes. It's a very basic-ass quality of mine, but they're almost all always great. And there are a lot of things that I don't think celebrities are good at, and I think there are plenty of things that they've ruined. Halloween is for them. We should give Halloween to celebrities. They're hot, and they're really creative, and they spend a lot of money on their costumes and it's always a blast and uh just going through one of the roundups of celebrity costumes and it was this is doja cat she went as doja bat and it's just like her but dressed as a bat i'm like great i like her i don't know a thing about

her but if i'm a celebrity and my name is doja cat and i go as doja bat for halloween that's fun that's the right thing to do good job is her music good yeah it is it is really good um she's got a song called best friend that you should listen to it's wonderful and then she's also got another song called go to town which i found it to be very catchy so catchy in fact that i was like oh this is going on one of my mixes. So it started showing up on my Spotify a lot. And then I'm listening to it in the car with my kids and realizing that the entire song is just about like go down on me. Like just eat my vagina is basically the theme of the song. And I was like, oh, maybe I'll save this for when they're a little older. Just don't want to deal with the questions about it right now.

Yeah, but she might be one as well. She might be one that I was like, early on, I was like, who is this? Only I'd found out about her, and this is embarrassing. I threw the Hulu show, Dave. Like she had existed for so long before that point. And then saw her in that, and I was like, well, who is this? And I started listening to her music and I was like, ah, yeah, she's, she's undeniable.

She's great. Yeah. Love her. You're, you're better at listening to new music than I am. I think generally, if that wasn't, if that's not clear on this podcast, opened with Ooby Dooby. if that wasn't, if that's not clear on this podcast. Opened with Ooby Dooby. You do kind of steer clear of it.

You don't like really seek it out, I found. I do like Billie Eilish. A lot of the, I think it's similar to you where like, I'm not listening to a current top 40 radio station i'm not listening to like what is happening in music uh so the things that come on my radar happen because of like the spotify algorithm or a youtube algorithm or um or there's a bass player on YouTube I like a whole lot called Julia. She is under the handle Julia Grooves, and she does a lot of bass covers. She posts like a new bass cover once a month

where she puts her own spin on something, and that's the first time I heard Billie Eilish was through her channel doing a cover of Therefore I Am. I was like, this bass line is great. And also this song's kind of good, you guys. Yeah, I did find a number of songs early on through Puddles Bitty Party. Do you remember that clown that would sing covers of songs? Or I was like, oh, this is nice. What is this song? And then go actually seek it out. So that's embarrassing.

But yeah. That's Billie Eilish. I wonder if she's like a new discovery of mine. Oh, she's singing the next Bond theme? Okay, yeah, nevermind. I don't think I can tell anyone about this person. There's a humiliating moment. I listen to music at the gym.

That's not my music because whatever they're playing over the loudspeakers is what I hear. And then at the, at like Target and stuff and stuff occasionally i'll find hear a song at target and i'll be like this rules what is this it's like i'll ask siri and like she'll listen to it and then she'll find it for me and then i'm like ah i'll go find it on spotify and as soon as i do that it's got 14 billion yeah listens oh this is this has been out for a while people know about this that's smart of you to ask siri i would just think like how humiliating it would be to ask a Target employee. Excuse me.

Excuse me. You there, sir. Who is this? Doja Cat? Thank you. Doja. Okay. Yeah.

I frequently do that. If I ever hear a song, because so regularly I just want something new. I just need new music. Yeah. I'm making dinner or whatever, and I'm regularly, I just want something new. I just need new music in my, doing making dinner or whatever. And I'm like, I don't, I'm sick of everything. I want something new. And so I will have these songs kind of like stored up that I heard somewhere and I liked in the moment and then completely forgot about it. And so it's brand new again, but I know that I'm going to enjoy it. Oh, that's the best feeling in the world. I know that I'm going to enjoy it.

Oh, that's the best feeling in the world. Yeah, man. Someone reached out to me with a song recommendation based on, uh, astute listening to this podcast. And I have to also imagine every time I've ever, without explanation,

tweeted a song that I liked as just like the music i'm listening to this morning uh someone with like the the accuracy of of a finely tuned spotify algorithm reached out to me a stranger to be like hey i think you will like this song uh by a band called Bug Hunter. I forget exactly. Hey, McCracken. The name is McCracken. That song, Bug Hunter. And it was like dead on target for a song that I would like because it's a song I already found and did like.

So like you blew it, but you're not getting any credit for this, but like you are correct. Yeah. Just too getting any credit for this but like you were you were correct yeah just too slow did you did you mention ben rector earlier as a piano artist who you don't listen to maybe oh he's that's a guy that like he feels like he's right up your alley he's modern but he's also a heavy like very keyboard forward songs yeah uh Rector he's got a song called old friends that I think you would like all right I will check it out

and if even one other person says that to Daniel by the way he will never listen to the song so just shut the fuck up everybody else we're so close second it so we're just taking advantage of the fact that I'm sick and my head's not thinking straight we're in very dangerous territory here.

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