Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov - Trump Gets Booed at MSG as Republicans Push Extreme Immigration Agenda

Episode Date: June 9, 2026

Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov respond to Trump getting loudly booed at the NBA Finals in New York City, before diving into the much bigger political and economic fights shaping the 2026 midterms. A federal judge has blocked Trump’s controversial $100,000 H-1B visa fee, dealing a major blow to one piece of the administration’s broader immigration crackdown. Meanwhile, Democrats are trying to focus voters on affordability heading into the midterms, with House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries promising economic relief as a top priority if Democrats regain power. But will the Democrats have enough of a substantive plan to really address the needs of working people, and shake their party’s reputation as ineffective? Rather than taking on the cost of living crisis,  Republicans appear to be moving in a very different direction. Greg Bovino, Trump’s former commander-at-large of the Border Patrol, is openly considering a 2028 presidential run centered around mass deportations and aggressive nationalist rhetoric.  Plus: a lawsuit seeks to block Trump’s planned UFC event on the White House lawn ahead of his 80th birthday. And a Forbes report has revealed that Silicon Valley elites are paying enormous sums not just for escorts, but for companions to discuss AI, crypto, and biohacking with them. What does that say about loneliness, technology, and the wealthy cohort of socially stunted men aiming to shape our future? For ad-free episodes, exclusive livestreams, and to connect with Scott, Jessica, and the Raging Moderates community, join us at ProfG+ on Substack: https://ragingmoderates.profgmedia.com/ Get The Monday Rage newsletter: https://profgmedia.com/s/monday-rage/ Follow Raging Moderates on IG, Tiktok, and Facebook: https://www.instagram.com/ragingmoderatespod/ https://www.tiktok.com/@ragingmoderates https://www.facebook.com/ragingmoderates Follow Jessica Tarlov on Instagram, Substack, and Bluesky: https://instagram.com/jessicatarlov https://substack.com/@jessietarlov https://bsky.app/profile/jessicatarlov.bsky.social Follow Scott on Instagram, Substack, and Bluesky: https://instagram.com/profgalloway https://substack.com/@profgalloway https://bsky.app/profile/profgalloway.com Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@RagingModerates Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When it comes to home improvement, even the most experienced DIYer has a limit. I'm not going to come in here with the blow torch and get it hot and solder and put the copper pipes to cover. I'm not doing it. I call it very nice man to handle it. When to call the experts and when to do it yourself. That's this week on Explain It to Me. Find new episodes, Sundays, wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Ragey and Moderates. I'm Scott Galloway. And I'm Jessica Tarloff. All right. We just launched a new show called The Week, where we pulled together the biggest stories and best conversations from across all of our pods. It's one 20-minute episode every Friday on the Profji Pod, breaking down what mattered and what didn't and what it all means, narrated by the inimitable, breathy, buttery tones of George Hahn.

So please check it out the week on your Profji Pod feed. All right, let's get into it. The president attended game three of the NBA playoffs at Madison Square Garden on Monday and was greeted with a pretty loud reaction from the crowd. Let's watch. The last clean name whose brush stripes and bright stars through the rocks we want. The most predictable boo. Yeah. Didn't we see this coming a mile away?

We did. flashing red lights and also a lot of changes to protocols that should have indicated to this utter narcissist that maybe he should stay away. I mean, making people wait three hours to be able to get into the building, canceling the watch parties outside of the garden. Like, I get it. And he is a lifelong Knicks fan. He is a New Yorker. He's one of our more famous New Yorkers. I'm not taking that away from him.

But you know that people are going to be pissed off about this. It's people who inherently don't like you. And then on top of it, you're rolling up there. And you're thinking, like, if they lose, which they did, people are going to be saying that it's about you. And you're forcing the players to have to answer questions about you. I think they did a very good job, like, dodging around about it. But newsflash, Donald Trump is selfish. Yeah.

Okay. So I don't think there's a lot to say here. The refereeing was to take. terrible. I know you don't want to talk about this. You just pretend like you're not here. You can go on your phone. I just got to say this. The referee. The refereing was on point when the next one. So here's no, no, no, no, don't do that. This is not about that. I'm now on Nixon six. I'm just saying, take a look at the refereeing. Mike Brown is not a complainer. You know, 24 free throws for the spurs in the second half, only eight for the Knicks. I'm sure you're not following this viral meme thing,

but my new favorite is my mayor Muslim, my bagel Jewish. Donald Trump killed the vibe, but Nixon five. I actually think it's going to be six, but there you go. Wow, there we go. I would think, not to go to conspiracy theory, but I would think every additional game is another few hundred million dollars in ad revenue. Maybe that's unfair. A federal judge has blocked Trump's $100,000 fee for H-1B visas. Trump ramped up that fee back in September to restrict the number of people in the program,

and it had the intended effect, dramatically reducing H-1B visa requests. Jess, this is just one piece of a much larger immigration agenda that is still playing. Yeah. What do you think this means for immigration policy and for the economy? I mean, well, we're going to see this week is going to be big with ramming through another 70 billion in funding for immigration enforcement. That goes way beyond CBP and ICE at this point. But I think something that has been pretty undercovered. And this actually goes into two areas, one of which we touched on a few weeks ago when we were talking about the Mithiphrastone case, is that there are two areas where actually the Republican base feels like Trump hasn't been conservative enough.

And one of them is on abortion with long-term pro-life activists to feel like he's really dropped the ball. And like they got the Dobbs decision, but then he basically was like, I'm done with this. And then the other is in immigration. And a lot of that you can connect to what happened in Minneapolis and sending Tom Holman in and getting someone like Greg Bevino out who is just giving the most frightening interviews about how. Actually, the goal is to deport, I think it was 106 million people. So a third of the country should be deported. But there are hardliners who feel like Trump has let them down, not only in getting, you know, the folks that would be day workers at a Home Depot, but offering too many visas for people to be here. And H1B has always been a big focal point for them on that.

So it'll be interesting to see how it plays out in the next few months. But I feel like they have to kind of duck and cover. if you look at this electorate and how it is definitely, you know, shifting bluer and bluer, at least to center left, that you don't want to be out on the campaign trail talking about how you need more people in Delaney Hall or, you know, the Dilley Correctional Center and that you're restricting all of these visas. So I'm watching the tension, I would say. Yeah, this is yet another own goal, and that is over the last 80 years, America has built the most extraordinary, valuable talent magnet in history. And now we're charging admission like it's Disneyland.

This debate, or the H-1B debate, isn't really about immigration. The way I would frame it is it's about whether America wants to import ambition or export opportunity. Germany's raised the number of visas they're granting to Indian workers from 20,000 to 90,000. China is rolling out the welcome that, and we're putting up a toll booth. And just one quick example, 20% of the NASDAQ by market cap is run by not immigrants, Indian immigrants. I mean, I keep getting, I'm so impressed by this president's ability to find elegant ways to reduce our prosperity, whether it's tariffs, whether it's overextending ourselves abroad, whether it's deficit spending, and saying, okay, we're the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

And for some reason this year, we get all first-round draft choices. Every one of them we get. That's America every year. We get the best and brightest from basically every Western country. My father's from Scotland, and he always used to say, Scotland has a history of some of the most talented minds and academics and economists, and he said, the best and brightest in Scotland all have one thing in common. They left for America.

And we've decided, as the Buccaneers, no, we don't want. these first round draft choices. It's just insane, except Trump's company applied for 184 foreign workers last year, the highest number ever. Apparently, immigration is a crisis right up until somebody needs a fucking groundskeeper at Mar-a-Lago. I mean, it's just another, okay, own-goal tariff, own-goal Iran, I know own goal around an immigration policy that's totally reductive. This doesn't mean you should be able to get into the country. We should let in a quarter of a million people who just put up the right arm and say asylum. And by the way, the thing we found out about asylum seekers in where people granted asylum in Germany, 70% of them have vacation had gone home. They were supposedly

under physical threat, but they've gone home since then on vacation. So there are absolutely holes in our immigration system that need to be coterized. But to not allow the best and brightest to come here. You know, I see these kids every day. I call them a kid. Are PhD students at business schools? I'm droning on here, but at business schools basically, the foreign students of business schools means daddy is rich. I always say on the first day of class, just to set the tone for how politically incorrect it's going to be. All the foreign students here, I say get to know them because they're the funnest to party with and their dad is the rich dude in whatever country they came from. He owns the brewery, owns the newspaper. The PhD students you're going to meet from foreign nations

are legitimately the brightest people you're ever going to meet. Because they were elevated about 45 times by scoring 102% on every test in Mumbai and then getting, we pay them. We pay the PhD students and we get the best and brightest. We don't charge them $200,000 to take ethics and sustainability on leadership courses, which are a fucking waste of money. Anyways, that's my thought on immigration. I feel like we haven't had an update lately on the PhD students. And, the kind of the people who work in our labs, right, that are developing our most important drugs, et cetera, because we saw, obviously, this huge push from other countries to take them from us when Trump first came into office and was arresting PhD students for writing op-eds

that he didn't like, et cetera. Has that kind of slowed down? Because I know, like, China, for instance, was making bids for entire labs, right? Saying to people at Harvard, we'll take everybody. Like, we'll take your janitor to the guy who's in charge of this because we know that the next development in robotics or medicine or whatever it is is coming out of this place and we'll pay anything for it. But I feel like that's gone away as a plot line. Is that still happening or are people staying more? The honest answer is I don't know.

I haven't been on campus much since COVID. I know that it's not only China being aggressive, it's France and the UK. They've both passed bills to allocate funding to try and recruit the budget. best and brightest academics from the U.S. They see an opportunity. And there was a lot of chatter. My understanding is amongst academics thinking NYU is a little bit different, or at least the business school is a little bit different. It's kind of the last stop where people become very unproductive. You know, they're like 65, and they were the bomb and gap to accounting in 1988 and that they decide once their kids are out of the house, they'll move from whatever, the hot school or from Flagler

or from Darden, they'll go, you know, they'll go be empty nesters in. Soho. So I don't know if we're the right. I'm long-winded way of saying, I don't know. I know there was a lot of chatter about, like you said, entire labs being lifted, but I don't know if it's actually happened. Okay. Well, I hope that they stay. And then all that gets reversed. Yes, I like to be on top. That's like academically. Whatever. Please move on now. I'm not going to touch that. Support for the show comes from Zbiotics. Let's face it, none of us bounce back like we used to. especially after a great night out. One solution, pre-alcohol by Z-biotics. Z-biotics, pre-alcohol probiotic drink

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So I'm upset about this because when I saw the headline, I was like, we're going to get a bill, right? Or we're going to get a bumper sticker and it's going to be great. And it's going to be like left-leaning, no tax on tips or whatever. That is not what we got. I don't want to be too negative. but I don't find this to be a satisfactory answer. I have read the release from Jeffries's office. We will convene five working groups on the affordability issue

so we can dive deeper with member-driven engagement on policy and legislative proposals. These working groups fall into the following categories, housing, gas and utilities, groceries and goods, caregiving, and health care. Duh, right? Like, oh, okay, those are things that cost a lot. We should fix them. What is the solution? I know everyone is super busy and navigating the Trump era is impossible, right? Like, we're just sitting here podcasting and we feel overwhelmed for it, let alone if you actually have to be the legislative backstop to try to keep these criminals at bay, essentially. But hire more people, if that's what you need to do, hire consultants, whoever, to just get us something tangible that doesn't just say we're going to go into a room with other very smart. people and bat around ideas on how to deal with, you know, the sandwich generation or what a cost

for caregiving. You just say, everyone who's caring for someone, you get $1,000. There. I mean, maybe that's not $12,000. You have $1,000 a month, right? If you are a full-time care. I don't know if that would actually work. You need to check that with someone smarter than me. But you get my point, right? Like on health care, I think it has to be, we want to move towards Medicare for all. The Obamacare subsidies, it's not. enough, you shouldn't have to live like this, right? We shouldn't be negotiating for something that's actually not satisfactory. So this is our goal. These are the steps that we're going to take to get there. You'll be able to like negotiate across state lines. It's going to approve

Obamacare. Like, give me that. I want it. Yeah, it's it's typical Democrats, cosplaying Obama and just thinking they can run on anti-Trump and being indignant without any fucking ideas. And there are several proposals they could lay out that we get, I think, America excited. Tax credits for housing developers in concert with YIMB federal legislation, similar to what they've done in Austin and Minneapolis that dramatically increases. Housing stock such that prices come down. Rents have gone down 30 or 40 percent. Housing prices down 20 percent in Austin. A billion GLP 1 doses to try and take medical costs from 13,5, down to 12, down to 11, down to 9, as the nodal, you know, health.

health care crisis or cause for 200 other chronic diseases is obesity. Trying to give every kid $7,000 when they're born, compounds to their 65, and in 20 or 30 years we're going to announce we're doing away with Social Security, interest rates start to dive and people's credit card bills, auto loans and mortgages go down. A massive increase in minimum wage that gives consumers more power again. I mean, there's just so many, so many policies that they can. outline that would lower Medicare by two years a year for 20 years until effectively we have Medicare for everyone. There are so many things they could propose. Yeah. I also love the ones,

you know, when people say, like, for every new regulation, we're going to cut 10. Yeah. Perfect. Just say it. And like, we're going to start with housing and make sure that we never have a disaster, like what happened in the Palisades, where people can't rebuild their homes because we have so much red tape. And antitrust, if you go from three major chicken producers to 11, the cost of chicken is going to go down, folks. If you break up the farm, if you break up big pharma, if you break up big energy, if you break up big tech, the rents are going to go down. But all this shit is boring. Tax policy is boring. Do away with the estate tax exemption such that you can actually fund the government. get fiscal sanity, such as interest rates go way down,

tax universities that have endowments over a billion dollars that aren't growing their freshman class faster than population size, such that we have more affordable on-ramps to the middle-class lifestyle that is still higher ed. I mean, there are so many common-sense programs that have been tried elsewhere that actually work. Raise compensation for congressmen and senators to $1 and $3 million a year and have absolutely zero tolerance for taking any money,

basically neuter citizens united from the top down, such that we stop this overrun of government that has transferred wealth and power from consumers and earners to the owners to shareholders. There's a series of policies that we could enact, but unfortunately they take longer than any election cycle, and they're not that interesting, and they're not that dramatic, and they're not that romantic.

But the American people don't want to have an adult conversation. I don't even think it's the fault of our leader, I think Americans, their eyes glaze over when we start talking about antitrust or interest rates, because the only way you address affordability is with really boring mechanical long-term shit. And no one appears to want to have these conversations. I think you could do both. I really do. I don't want to be too much of the, like, just tell the people what they want to hear. But that is how you win an election. So I'm pretty cool with like a surface level nod to the fact that people want to hear. that you've really heard them, right, and that you understand what their experience is. And then get the boring guys in, like, the back door and have them sitting in the rooms figuring out

all the stuff that you were just talking about. But you've got to have, like, we're Hollywood, right? Like, liberals make the most compelling content that exists on this earth. So put a bunch of them in the room and say, like the guys who just came up with office romance, the J-Lo Brett Goldstein movie, like, get them on there and have some headlines, right? Or whatever you're going to do, you know, tell Ted Garandos.

I had not thought of that. I had not thought of that. Or pitch competitions. People love that, right? Like, there are so many concerned liberals. This is everything from moderate Republicans to people who have always been part of the Democratic Party. You know, concerned about the future of this country, want, at the very least, to have divided government, right? That we need some sort of backstop.

and ask them for their suggestions. I mean, I'm on all of these email lists from people who work in a wide variety of fields and what they send out on their substack or their, you know, Beehive newsletter or whatever it is, it's all about how to push democracy forward, right? Like, how can we get better outcomes? How can we fix life from, you know, the people who are doing okay, that kind of mid-rich to the working class people who can't afford to live anywhere near. where they go to work. I mean, the average commuter, I'm sitting in Midtown, Manhattan,

there's spent 90 minutes getting here from wherever they live so that they can serve us coffee, right? Like, why are we not talking about that stuff? Why do we have, like, working groups? I don't know. Now, look, one of the, one of the many existential crises facing Western democracies right now is the population rates, birth rates are absolutely crashing. They're below replacement rates. Do you see the data on the phone that they're tying it now to the phone? Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. We used to think it was tied to economics, but they've done all these economic experience in Northern Europe and Japan, and those don't seem to be working. They think it's about status, and then where I was headed is housing. And that is expensive housing is essentially birth control. For every 10% increase in housing prices, birth rates go down a percent, because getting a house is sort of a bridge to, all right, we're going to practice family and we have a spare bedroom. Okay, it's time to fill the spare bedroom. And medium home price, is now roughly six to seven times median income nationally. Historically, it's been between three and four X.

I mean, instead of drill baby drill, I think a Democrat could run on one thing. Here's a very detailed plan for building 10 million homes in the next 10 years. We can do it, adopt the Minneapolis and Austin model, but it's not only appeals to younger people, it appeals to parents who want to get their kids out of their house, And also realize that what it costs them to buy their house, what it used to cost to buy a mansion. I bought my first home in Pretero Hill, San Francisco, for $285,000 when I was a year out of business school.

And we had to borrow the money from my girlfriend's parents for the down payment, but we could buy a house in San Francisco at 28. First-time homebuyers are now over 40. 60% of them are all cash buyers. And I think part of the reason you see people spending $5 and $10,000 to go to Coachella or to Abiza and see Black coffee is I think young people have just given up on saving for a house. They've just given up. They started looking and like, okay, this shitty home is $1.4 million. I've saved $22,000. I'm going to need $400,000 for, fuck it, I'm going to Thailand or I'm going to, you know, I'm going to Mikanos. And that doesn't, that's not great for the economy, nor is it great for birth rates in just

taking it forward. If we don't have enough young people supporting an increasingly unproductive, unproductive and expensive senior population, the economy literally collapses on itself. We've had a complete rewiring of the core attendance of the American dream for younger millennials and Gen Zs, and it will be the same for alphas coming up. Like your boomer parent or grandparent in some cases, you know, version of what it means to succeed here looks wildly different because of how let down these generations have been in terms of what they can access, right? With a hard day's work. This is not about being a lazy grifter, right? This is like, no, I'm actually busting my butt, right? And I still can't own a home anywhere near where I have to go to work. And opportunity is

different with remote working this way, right? You're seeing resurgence of, you know, towns and cities that weren't necessarily high on people's lists to live in because they can work remotely for some of these great companies from there. And I think there's some good to that. But people are definitely leaning into experiences versus owning things. And I think there's some degree of magic to that. But at the end of the day, if you're going to have a couple of kids, they need somewhere to sleep. And that's why people are like, oh, well, what am I supposed to do? I'm going to go to Coachella instead of, you know, just state a baby. There is some nuance here, and it's generational. And that is if you own assets, it's not just inflation. The real conversation is around asset

inflation. And what do I mean by that? If you own a home in stocks, as people, most people in my generation do, you see a restaurant bills up 30%. It's sort of a novelty. You're like, oh, my God, can you get over the inflation? But meanwhile, my stock portfolio was tripled in the last 10 years. My home is worth four times what it used to be worth. But if you're younger and you don't own assets yet, you feel as if you've just been kicked in the nuts after being mugged. I mean, you just, your future has just evaporated. It's just like, okay, the on-ramp into an upper-middle-class lifestyle has been shut down and blown up. So I do think this is a generational issue. Let's talk a little bit about Speaker Mike Johnson has a very different vision for what they prioritize if they kept a majority.

Let's listen to a clip. And then we're going to lead up to what we have to do and address the largest spending items. The thing, the reason we're in trouble is because over 74% of federal spending is on autopilot, mandatory spending. That's your entitlement programs like Medicare, Medicaid, and then things like Social Security. They have to be adjusted and fixed. We have a plan to do that next year. And it's critical because we're at $40 trillion plus. Well, first of all, the idea that he cares about the debtor of the deficit when they ram through that big, beautiful bill, is ludicrous.

I mean, this is the kind of gold stuff, right, that you want for an election because voters on both sides of the aisle do not want to hear about cuts to entitlements. It's just like you said, those are the grown-up conversations that no one is interested in come election time. So we get lucky, right? Like, we're going to go have a working group. But we have Mike Johnson is saying out loud that they're going to cut these programs that people depend on. And that Donald Trump, by the way, has over and over and over again promise would not get cut. So, you know, yay, I guess. Well, there, I mean, the reality is Democrats want more social spending and higher taxes, and Republicans want lower taxes and more defense spending and lower social spending. And the only thing that passes for bipartisanship is they get together and say, okay, let's cut taxes and increase social spending. And the result is George Washington to George Bush, 30 or seven trillion in deficits, George Bush to Donald Trump, another 30 trillion.

And that's just nothing but a tax on young people, because eventually they have to pay it back, and everything is going to be more expensive because of interest rates because, you know, now the second largest line item behind our entitlements is interest rate on the debt. I actually agree with him here, but the problem is it's not, it's a cynical, it's incredibly cynical for him to say that because he doesn't propose or doesn't actually have the stones to say this is what we're going to do. They're talking about taking the military budget from a trillion to $1.4 trillion, and just as we're We have tons of evidence that the future of warfare is asymmetric, and it's not about expensive platforms. It's about your ability to develop cheap and cheerful communications and drone warfare. We could absolutely take our military budget probably down to $600 billion, save $800 billion a year, if we did it thoughtfully and focused on asymmetric warfare. And also just a general bipartisan agreement that says, okay, you can't take $7 trillion in spending to $5 trillion, which is our receipts without putting the economy into a coma. But if you took it down to $6 trillion, say, the Democrats say, all right, you raise taxes by $500 billion, we'll find cuts of $500 billion.

You take the deficit down to $1 trillion, hope the economy continues to grow at 2 to 3%. And then in six to 10 years, you have something resembling a fiscally responsible budget. And by the way, that begins to pay for itself because interest rates start to come down. But again, no fucking adults in the room. Just we need to cut Medicaid. You know, we need to cut entitlements. All right, boss, you're talking about increasing the military budget by $400 billion while you're cutting taxes and now you're saying you want to cut entitlements. At least say what you think we should do.

I think he's right, but he's cynical. It's not serious about it. It's not an adult conversation. It's just a weapon of mass distraction. Any thoughts before we move on to the next topic here? Well, just that, you know, your budget and the legislation that you put forward a reflection of your values and your morals. right? Those what they're telling. It was what you're telegraphing to the public that you care about. And when you hear Mike Johnson, whether you think that the math or the mechanics of this is actually important because we're going to, you know, these programs are going to go insolvent, right? And not too long from now is one thing. But you do hear him almost in the same breath saying things like, well, we need private jet deductions, right? Like that's a core part of how we're going to keep these people who are. are big earners for the country and they pay a lot in taxes and they employ a ton of people and they

really need this thing. And then you turn around and you say things like, well, we can make cuts to Medicaid and that won't make it any difference. That's actually the right thing to do because there are a bunch of mooters, right? And there are a bunch of people who are, you know, using the system unfairly. And I think that we really need to continue to amplify that kind of thinking or that kind of framing, I guess I should say, about these policy positions because they are a reflection of your morals and your morality and their morals are bankrupt. Yeah, I think every election comes down to one decision. Are people more angry about their grocery bill or culture wars? And when things are good, they're more worried about a culture war. And when things are bad, they're more worried about their grocery bill. And it definitely feels as if people are much more worried about their grocery bill here. Anyways, moving on, Trump's former head of border control, Greg Bevino, says he's considering a potential run in 2028. Oh, God, I would love this with an apparent slogan, men fight back. Right on, Tarzan. He also posted on acts that his priority would be deporting 106 million illegals who are here. Just doing some quick math.

The current youth population is about 340 million to reference before. That would mean removing nearly a third of the country. Oh, gosh, this is – It's so messy. I'm going to give you the first and the last comment on this one. No, I've gone first and last a lot. I just – I think the longer that he is in the spotlight, because I think a lot of people, they knew that they didn't. like what was going on

the immigration enforcement, but they couldn't attach a face to it besides Stephen Miller's. And this is like an equally ugly mug, right, that you could be staring at for the next several months. I mean, someone coming out there saying, I want to get rid of 106 million people.

Like, I don't, I don't even think in Stephen Miller and his wildest squirrel murdering dreams thinks that you're getting 106 million out of this country. Also, there aren't 106 million people here who are illegally. So that's everybody who has a visa of some kind.

It's like green card holders as well. Insane. So moving from campaigns to courts, the public integrity project has filed a lawsuit trying to block Trump's planned 80th birthday UFC celebration on the White House South Lawn. The lawsuit contends that Trump's approval of the June 14th event was unlawful. Do you think this has any chance of succeeding, Jess? I think that thing's happening. Like, I think they're having the UFC fight.

I mean, we should get a legal expert on here to talk about the intricacies of it. Nothing that I've seen suggests that we are not going to be having the fight. I guess the big question will be about, you know, taking it down since Trump is floating or floated that he'd like to keep it up. But even Dana White, who has expressed some concern about having this event in general, he paid for it. And he's paying to take it down too. So I think it's going to happen. and then I think it's going to go away. I think Trump is going to be extremely disappointed.

You know, there's been reporting about all of the celebrities that Dana White asked to come, you know, people who are fans of UFC. And, you know, shocker, Jared Leto doesn't want to come and, like, sit in the front row at Trump's weird UFC-th-themed birthday party, something that you couldn't even really tie to America at 250, right, since it's on June 14th, which is his birthday, when he becomes, really, really old turns 80. So do you think, I mean, I guess you don't really know about the lawsuit aspect of it, but you presume it's going to happen, right? Oh, yeah, it's going to happen. And, you know, I have direct evidence that are reaching really deep into the barrel in terms of who they're inviting. I think in some ways it's an interesting political move. I think owning, quote unquote, I don't want to say owning masculinity, but owning this performative toxic version that cosplays masculinity is a good idea politically, as evidenced by. As evidenced

the fact that Tucker Carlson is trying to shore up the far right and the Gropers. So I think it's a good idea. Have you ever been to an M.M.A. fight? No, I'm not. I'm squeamish about that kind of stuff. Yeah, I agree. I'm the same way. I remember meeting one of the great fighters, M.M.A. fighters in Vegas, a guy named Chuck Lidel or Liddell. And he just couldn't admit. First off, the guy was a physical specimen, obviously.

He looked like literally a warrior. and he was such a gentleman, such a nice man. And I saw an interview recently, and he's having trouble speaking. I mean, it's just, anyways, I guess the same is true of boxing, but I'm with you. I find the whole thing a little bit disturbing. Okay, so before we wrap up, we have to talk about a story that sounds like it came from a dystopian novel. The new Silicon Valley status symbol isn't a yacht or a private jet. A new Forbes report is highlighting a bizarre new luxury.

tech workers paying as much as $23,000 a day for escorts, not just for sex, but for companionship from people who can talk AI, biohacking, and crypto at their level. Okay, I'm not sure I buy this. I think this is one weirdo they interviewed. I don't, I'm not buying this. Just any thoughts on getting, I'm paying $23,000 a day for someone, for a friend, it sounds. like a smart friend? I mean, I think this is why the DSA left is doing well, right? Like, you shouldn't be paying $500,000 for a next ticket and you shouldn't be paying $23,000 for a blowjob and a conversation about Open AI. So I think that it is just depraved enough that I feel like it is going on

in some niche sector of society at this point. But these people, I feel really bad for this. them. I mean, I think it's, I guess, it moves with inflation that sex work. And I have read other articles about how much more people pay for sex workers than they have in the past. But think about what these guys' lives are like if you're considering spending, you know, $20,000 plus for someone to hang with you. And also what you must think about your own brain, right? And like how arrogant you have to be. And I get it. I mean, I'm not, I don't use prostitutes. Like, I, I'm not someone who's like, oh, I can completely compartmentalize this. And I just want, you know, that event. Like, I like having sex with people that I also am in love with predominantly my husband. Not predominantly

all the time, just my husband. But, like, this is just. I just love watching you squirm here. You're literally talking yourself up. Let me take that. Let me take this one. So, okay. So, I've heard getting sex is less than $23,000. What you have here is that what's expensive for these guys is to buy someone who finds you interesting. That's what costs the other $22,000. Despite building rockets, conquering markets, they're still struggling with the same thing as a sophomore at Ohio State, loneliness. And, you know, this is what happens when a society, I find a... It's fascinating. I think this is what happens when the society optimizes for achievement and

underinvest in community. And eventually the market creates a substitute. The reason Jay Shetty just sold his podcast for $100 million is the same reason these guys have to pay $23,000. And that is they're lonely and they never developed real social skills. And Jay Shetty is basically tapped into the biggest market in podcasting. And that is people are desperate for a friend. And he's kind of there, he's kind of cosplaying their friend for 60 minutes. The real story here isn't about escorts. That's what, that's clickbait. It's about people who are building the future

increasingly can't form relationships without intermediaries and without some sort of market dynamic here. And, you know, the Valley keeps promising this brave new world of AI companions. And that's because they've already proven there's enormous demand for human ones. And so I find the whole thing,

again, a thousand dollars for sex, $22,000 for someone to pretend you're interesting. Should we leave it there, Jess? I'm out. God knows what I would say if we kept going on, and I'm done. Love my husband. Let's go. Bye.

All right. Jess, have a great rest of the week. Nixon 5, I guess. Is that right? Is that what you're saying now? Realistically 6, but we'll go to Nixon 5. Tomorrow night. It'll be interesting.

And then we can talk about it on Thursday. Get excited. I can't wait.