Rahimi, Harris & Grote Show - 5 On It & poor Matt Nagy (Hour 2)

Episode Date: January 27, 2026

In the final hour of their shortened show, Leila Rahimi and Marshall Harris discussed a variety of topics in the 5 On It segment. Later, they wondered what's next for former Chiefs offensive coordinator and former Bears head coach Matt Nagy after Kansas City let him go.

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a Terry Boers celebration of life, which will include former co-workers of Terry's, as well as current and former score personalities. The show will be hosted by Matt Spiegel. It will be a true celebration of Terry's life. That's today starting at noon right after this show on The Score and the Odyssey app. Now, here's question number one. Bears' offensive coordinator, Declan Doyle, is a hot name right now last week. Doyle interviewed for the Eagles' OC job this morning.

I'm Mully and Haugh. David Hawre reported this. Declan Doyle will be pursued. This is what I know. Declan Doyle was offered the chance to be the play caller for the Philadelphia Eagles and turned it down to come back to Chicago. David Haw this morning, I'm Mullen Ha.

The Ravens have also requested to interview Declan Doyle on a scale of 1 to 10 on the Hegone meter. Where do you rank the likelihood of Declan Doyle taking a job in this hiring cycle? I think I put it at like a six. I don't know that it's very much higher than that because now it depends on whether or not

Lamar Jackson wants to work with Declan Doyle. And I don't think it's necessarily like, oh, he doesn't want to work with him. If the job isn't the right fit or something. But that given the situation in Baltimore and the discussion surrounding how that went down and the fact that John Harbaugh is no longer there, it sounds like having an offensive coordinator who is in lockstep with Lamar and is somebody who wants to work with him and adjust the offense to what the strengths are of that team is priority number one. Given that, I don't necessarily know if that's the particular job Declan Doyle wants.

If it is, then it's a one or zero and one, he's gone. But in this case, Declan Doyle might just be like Ben Johnson, where you waited out, everybody thinks you've interviewed well, and then different opportunities come up the next year that may better suit you. So I'm looking at this, and I put the Higong meter at a 7.5. Here's why. This does come down to what other jobs can you foresee being open in the coming year, right? Because it's one of two things. Either you don't feel like you're ready for a head coaching job and you want to get one more year under a guy,

like Ben Johnson, whose play calling is so phenomenal, and you feel like you haven't quite absorbed all that you can absorb from him. And you may have just been like, I'll go do these head coaching interviews for the experience of interviewing to be an NFL head coach. I think as an offensive coordinator who doesn't call plays, it's like, do you have enough to go out on your own and call plays? Or do you not? And it's interesting, if he turned down the job for the Eagles, well, what would be the

difference between that and the Ravens. Well, number one, I would say maybe less dysfunction. You've got a clear MVP when healthy in Lamar Jackson. You saw how they started the season when he was unhealthy and how they made a late charge and push and almost got over the mountain, if you will, at the end of the season. I really do feel like Declan Doyle is going to be a head coach in the NFL. It's just a matter of how long is it going to take? And staying with Ben Johnson might be the best route. The 2022 coaching cycle was summarized last week on the social media's. Only two people out of that coaching cycle that had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, ten. Just like this year. Only two were retained. So Matt Eberflus,

number one, Nathaniel Hackett, Lovey Smith with Houston. Doug Peterson was in Jacksonville at the time. The Raiders hired Josh McDaniels. Mike McDaniel was with Miami. Kevin O'Connell with Minnesota. So there's one. Dennis Allen with New Orleans. Brian Dable with the Giants and Todd Bulls with Tampa Bay. Wait, who's...

I missed the second one. Who's the still... Nathaniel Hacking. Yeah. It's worth putting out of your mind entirely. Don't you remember when they had to bring in the helper? This is bad. Because of the fourth quarter situations that were occurring.

This is bad. Although I think with the Ravens, like the Ravens is more of a sure job than the Eagle. The Eagles job, you go, you be the offensive coordinator. Either a head coaching job out of that or you get fired at the end of the year. Quarterback is the difference maker here. Like quarterback makes everything makes sense. And it's interesting because one is a Super Bowl MVP. The other one has never been to the Super Bowl, but he is a regular season MVP.

Right. So that's quite the mess. Number two. The Browns announced on Monday night that they completed a second. head coach interview with Rams past game coordinator, Nate Shieldhaus. Not House. No, it's not.

No, don't do it. Wanted it to be Shieldhaus. It is Schillhaus. It is. Don't be singing the House song. Sheal House. Okay. You know what you're also singing?

No, you can sing the Schill House. No, you know what you're also singing. Scorehouse. Hashtag Scorehouse. That's right. Mitch in every single tweet about Scorehouse. Every single one. It was Scorehouse.

Then hashtag scorehouse. Just in case you didn't know about scorehouse. Well, the real thing I was trying to workshop in my head was Ramstein, like, do Haast and working that, but that's too much. Shield. Sheal. Yes, exactly, exactly. But I was like, you know what, Tyler, that's going to be too much.

I think it's perfect. Back to the question about Shield Haas. Later that night, the bills announced that they also completed an interview with Shield Haas. According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Buffalo job has now been filled by their own offensive coordinator Joe Brady. With all that being said. said, do you expect Nate

Shield Haas to withdraw his name from the Browns Head Coaching Search anyway, because it's the Browns? Man, this Browns situation's getting hilarious. So just to be nosy, I went over to our sister station in Cleveland, Ken

Carmen and Anthony Lima. You got that quick, too. And Ken Carmen was like, I have a feeling the Browns are going to make a hire today. They did not. And I was just wondering, like when you're in it you're talking about it completely differently as we know you're trying to see where the team is coming from you're giving some people the benefit of the doubt you understand the

intricacies of the process not us i just get swooping and be like what the hell's going on over here oh you think you're making a hire today today of all days so i think it'll happen okay uh this goes back to what we were just talking about. You got to put your, you got to put your chips in the right pile, right? You got to put your, if you're rolling the dice, the Browns is not somewhere I would want to be.

I love that they on the team website are keeping an interview tracker. Yeah, that's pretty common. But it's, is it long, the list? Yes. With Shohas, I would just stay with the Rams. It's a very insulated situation,

continue to learn. and wait until a better opportunity comes up. Todd Munkin's going to coach that team, I think. I like that idea. But if he doesn't, he has a job. I like that even more. If you like a coach, do you like the idea of them having to coach the Browns? No.

Yeah, that's really what it comes down to. You know who should coach the Browns? Matt Nagy. There it is. There it is. There it is. More on him in a minute. Number three.

Five on it on six. 70's score with Layla Rahimi and Marshall Harris at noon. Huge show honoring the legendary Boers. But here's question number three. On Monday, Cubs left-hander Justin Steele tweeted the following. Quote, was just brought to my attention that Nico Horner wasn't on the top 100 list. I wouldn't take that list very seriously, if that's the case. Whoever made it was obviously not trying to be locked in or take it too serious.

The numbers speak for themselves. end of Justin Steele tweet. Do you agree with Steele that Horner was snubbed from MLB's top 100 list? I like that Justin Steele took the role of Cubs commenter, you know, whenever he got injured and then he would tweet here and there. And I appreciate a little bit of commentary out of Justin Steele. I think he got pretty good out of toward the end of the season. You know, one of us, so to speak, but different because he works for the team.

So he's on to something here. Why wasn't Nico Horner mentioned? Nico Horner is third in world leaders among NL position players last year. It was Geraldo Perdomo with seven. A guy named Shohei Otani, who I hear might be pretty good, was 6.6. Then it was Nico Porter. Then it was Juan Soto, Matt Olson, and then PCA. Who is in that list, correct?

He is. So therefore, I think based on that alone, not to mention the I test, to mention that he was second in the National League and batting average, which still matters to me. That Justin Steele is correct. He should be in the list. Well, the man's 27th in total war period. So like, there's that.

Also that. That seems like it's pretty high when you're talking about top 100 guys. I think it's interesting that, you know, you've got to go down to 35, I believe it is, before you find the first cub, which is Alex Bregman. and then the next cub on the list at number 40 is Pete Crow Armstrong. Then after that, it's Michael Bush at 67. After that, Sayas Suzuki at 77.

Just within the Cubs, like I think Nico Horner's better than Sayas Suzuki. Yeah. Just on the Cubs. I don't think that's even a question. Some of the other guys on this list, and I'm, I'm, very curious because there's a lot of catchers at the end, like middle infilters, like short stops, like the Willie Adomas, Zach Nito. Colson Montgomery is on the list of 88.

Well, well, well, how the turntables. And it's just like you go down the list and you're like, are they better than Nico Horner? And it depends, I guess, on how you're looking at it, but I think Nico Horner should be in this top 100. No, he should be in the top 100 for sure. This is a Jalen Johnson situation. Ooh.

I don't think that Nico cusses on the mic like Jalen, though. Nobody reacts to not being in the top 100 like Jalen did. I wish you would do it though, but that's not Nico's personality. Oh, that would be entertaining. The best part was when I was tossing to that sound, you know, as we like to say, when I was throwing to it, it was like, here's Jailin Johnson. As I go through these rankings, I do notice something. A premium seems to be put on power.

because you got guys like Carrie Carpenter and his 26 home runs making the top 100. And that would make sense for Colson Loveland why he's on there. But also Colston Colson has done it how many times? Like how many seasons is he played in Major League Baseball?

But that would make it make sense. It's kind of like with Zips, you know that positional value weights the algorithm. Like shortstop inherently is going to be worth more short than third. So I don't know. I think he should definitely be in there. Number four.

The NBA announced Monday that Bulls Forward, Matas Buzales, has earned his third rising stars selection. I think like when you make the rising stars, by the way, you got to have like a flute, like the Power Rangers, like, do, do, do, do, do. Like, that has to be. You have made the rising stars. So is he the Red Ranger? Yeah, we'll give him the Red Ranger. That makes the most sense. Shout out to all the Rangers, man.

We're just making up colors for Rangers. I love this. I don't even know. No. That was a little bit. Oh, is that before your time? After my time. Power Rangers after time? I never watched Power Rangers.

Oh, you know what I have younger siblings? So I just like, by osmosis, pick up on all this stuff. That's why people are like, oh, you're old? I just didn't watch it. I don't know. Like, I had other stuff going on after school. Well, yeah. You missed out.

You missed out, Leila. But enough of the Power Rangers for now. My brother loved it. It's a great show, in my opinion. Back in the day, that's what I thought. But anyway, back to Matas Buzellis. The Rising Star three times over. What does that tell you about the way the league is viewing the development of,

as CHSN's Stacey King would call him, Little Boozy Vert? Number one, Little Boosy Wirt is a great nickname. That is my favorite. You know, Stacey's the best at the nicknames. Also, Vucci Maine, come on. Yeah, Vucci Maine is also tremendous. Little Boosy Verde is, there's something about the contrast with modest and Little UyMud.

verse that just makes it perfect. If nothing else. I actually think that this is a good sign because for a long time, the Bulls didn't have anybody on either All-Star or Rising Stars list. And that was kind of an indication of how the league felt about the team. So in that alone, to get the nod outright for a Rising Star for Modus, that is an excellent indication because they're typically not wrong on these lists. It's who you will see in the league.

you know, and that's the beauty of having the second year players on there too, I think. So I thought it was a great sign. I texted you guys that I was encouraged by this. I remain encouraged by this. I think Modis Bezellis is a step away from really taking off as an NBA player. And I love this because how many three-time rising stars guys do you know? That means you have to do it in the G-League. You have to do it as a rookie and you have to do it as a second-year player.

That's hard to do. Also, did I see Matt McClung scored 40 last night? Did you see Matt McClung, much like Modis Buzels, also turned down an invite to the NBA dunk contest? So he will not be out here for the four-peat? What are we doing here? Why did he turn it down? And yeah, why did Modis turn it down?

Why are all you turning it down? Do you remember Modis's appearance in the dunk contest? Oh, yeah, that didn't go. But that's, hey, hey, well, Brian shows you that even at 41 you can redeem yourself from your previous year. You know who was never in the dunk contest, but promised to be in the dunk contest? LeBron. Exactly.

I wasn't talking about the dunk contest. I was talking about the loss to the bulls here. I was talking about dunks. Listen, not hyper dunks, not dunks, just dunks. You and I needed basketball season to come back for real. We needed this. Some people are just now waking up to basketball season.

As you guys know, I've been on it since training camp. I know, but I love it. You know how the sports talk calendar works? I'm telling y'all today, once modest Boozellis takes this, off season to tighten up his handle, put a little more strength on it. He's going to be playing, wait for the comp, like Jalen Brown. Write that down.

What? He's having an MVP season. MVP like season. He's also a finals MVP, so there's that. He's having an amazing thing. That's what modest is going to look like. Also, real quick, I forgot to mention this. Johnny Barks on Twitter accidentally answered a spam call today.

And it was the Cleveland Browns wanting to intervene. interview me for their head coaching job. I said no. L.O.L. Wow. Number five. For question number five, let's go to Marshall Heather.

Marshall, Heather. Marshall Harris for a score of winter weather update. Were you going to say Mathers? I was. Is that where we're going? Let's do it again. Let's go to Marshall Harris for a score winter weather update. Marshall WTF.

Listen, I get it. You guys want. You want to know that it's going to get better. That just because the high today is 17, things are looking up. Oh, 17 is better, actually. I noticed the warmth on the street. Let me tell you something.

On Saturday, according to ACUweather, the temperature gets up to 23 degrees. Let's go. Let's get outside. Next week. Now, this depends on your weather service. According to the weather channel, it doesn't get to freezing. But according to ACUweather, on both Wednesday and Thursday of next week, week, we will be above freezing at 34 degrees.

Here's the bad news. We don't get above 34 degrees on this calendar, according to ACUweather, until the 16th of February, where it's supposed to be 41 degrees for two days. Are we just, are we wearing shorts? Is that when people wear shorts outside? You know that happens. 41 degrees? I wouldn't do that because there's precipitation, aka snow in the forecast.

I saw, I saw a man, get on. the blue line yesterday in shorts outside. Just ridiculous. Inevitable. There's always one dude who's like, oh, it's above 20 in December. I'm wearing shorts. Well, maybe not December. But it's usually somebody who gets tired about this time of year of the cold.

And the second it's like slightly warmer, they're in shorts. I salute you guys. I'm pretty impressed by the flex. But it's an amazing skill. I don't have it. I'm telling y'all it's all relative. A day like today is a great day. not because it's super warm outside,

but as long as the sun is shining, I'm good. It's when it's overcast for days at a time, and I don't remember what the sun looks like. That's when I struggle. I know. The sun is a real game changer. We should all revolve around it and everything. I think it's that important. I think you're right.

One day in April, it was like 54 degrees. This is like probably five or six years ago, and I was like, this is warm. Take top. Live on it. Yeah, that's, a good place to cut it off. And that's, that's really what happened. I had suns out guns out because I was so excited about the relativity of 54 degrees. Coming up next here on Rahimi Harris and Rody,

we continue with our shorter show because at noon, we are seating to Matt Spiegel, who is going to emce the Terry Boar's Celebration of Life show. That's coming up at noon. In the meantime, we have a couple more segments left, and a former Bears head coach is saying some things that Don't add up to the actual situation. So we'll do that next. Listen to Rahimi Harrison Grotie on the Odyssey and IHeart radio apps. I had listened to Mark Grody say that so much in his impression of Wayne Larravee's voice that I had forgotten what the real version sounded like.

This is Rahimi Harrison Grotie on 670 to score. And the nice part about not being involved in these coaching searches for one, is that you just need to kind of like sit back and sip or tea and watch everything unfold chaotically ahead of you knowing that you've been a part of the process but this isn't your problem this year it's a very interesting feeling it's very Wilson from home alone

just looking over the hedges into your neighbor's yard I think he was in home improvement and we never knew who Wilson was home improvement yes I keep saying by Neggie's name over and over again when I mean Mattie Ruffluse recently because I always revert back to the previous person I covered if there's a similarity. Whenever I think about Wilson, it also takes me back to Mr. Wilson and Dennis the Menace.

And so, yes, you're right. The links are strong and real. Yeah, the original link is the one your brain will default too many times. Unfortunately, the original link for me and the mats was Matt Nagy. And he has been a focal point, but that's because we had to live it. And I remember the, oh, he's so transparent time. And then the, oh, these plays are fun. and then the, oh, how neat a trick play.

And then somewhere along the way in the 2018 season, about December is where I started to think, oh, you sure have to use a lot of trick plays to get into the end zone. You're giving me a little PTSD because now I'm thinking about Ben Johnson, because every time you describe something, it's something Ben Johnson's doing currently. So, yeah. Well, the difference is, and how many times do we get text on the score text line? Oh, he's just Matt Nagy 2.0. No, he wasn't.

The two, just like what we talked about with the Declan Doyle discussion. And frankly, some of the candidates for the Brown's job. Shee Haas being one of them. There's a difference between interviewing for head coaching jobs as an offensive mind, but not calling your own place, which was the difference for Matt Nagy here. The Bears had had a different head coach in John Fox. They rebounded, and it felt like very much a rebound type of hire, getting a younger coach with an offensive mind, which all of that was the right thing to do.

They just settled on the wrong individual. They didn't do that this time. That's the difference. Ben Johnson knows how to build a playbook. He didn't rely on all this trickery to get into the end zone by the end of it because the NFL had figured out what a lot of the plays were. And that's my issue with this. So when the alarm bells started to sound,

when the chiefs wanted to hire Eric B. Enamee, was then we realized, unlike, say, Todd Munkin, who has a job with John Harbaugh, even if he doesn't get a head coaching job, they put up the Matnaggy thank you graphic yesterday. and then you hear Andy re talk about how direct Eric B. Enemy is and how much he likes having somebody direct who communicates. There were stories about how this fell apart here.

Go back to the athletic. Go back to the Adam Johns and Kevin Fishbane story talking about how Mitch Trubisky and wanted to meet with Matt Negi after the season and brought his playbook. And Negi didn't show according to that story. And that's where things really turned for me. in that moment I thought we owed Mitch an apology because he was at least trying. So we talked about this in our pre-show meeting. And Ray, you and I feel like are a little bit on the same page when it comes to the,

hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, you can revise history to an extent. But you can't do it to this extent. Yeah, you know, Matt Naggie is walking around basically like, woe is me when he reflects on the time in Chicago, in my opinion. And it's just, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it, it's, this is unfair maybe to him, but I just think the guy's a jerk. Look, Mitch Trubisky was overdrafted.

Mitch Trubisky was never, never amounted to what he was drafted to be, but it was kind of an impossible position for the guy that he was put in. But Matt Nagy, the reports of what happened at the end of his tenure and the way he kind of, at the end of Trubisky's tenure with the Bears, it included like a meeting,

a postseason meeting in which Mitch Trubisky showed up and waited for his head coach Matt Nagy, and he never showed up. So that for me has kind of colored how I feel about Matt Nagy. Like, look, am I, I wasn't a fan of Mitch Trubisky, the football player, but he seemed like a nice guy. I mean, that's it. Yeah, he did not draft himself. And nobody deserves that kind of treatment. And Matt Nagy just, ever since then, you know, that and between his attitude, like, where he was getting questioned about not running the football enough, and he was telling reporters, I'm not an idiot.

Like, I don't know, I've just, this guy, I haven't liked him for a while, and I still don't like him. I mean, that's it, right? There's a famous quote by Buddy Ryan saying, like, Chicago and Philadelphia doesn't suffer fools. I don't know the direct quote, but basically, you might be able to pull this off elsewhere, but you can't do it here. Like people will see through it.

And I think that that's what happened. So we were talking about this and just the way Andy Reid was talking about Eric B&Me. And then Ray was telling us about this article that had come out by, he's a fabulous reporter, Nate Taylor. He's covered the chiefs for a long time. He's now with ESPN. And then there was the quote in the Nate Taylor article that we have on tape from Matt Nagy about his time with the Bears and how this is going for him in that coaching cycle. Listen to how he addresses it. The last three years for me have been a little bit more unique where I don't have the quarterback position.

It's more of an organizational standpoint structure-wise. Being there from a former head coach helping coach readout. You know, anytime you look at what went on this year as an offense, you're frustrated, you're disappointed because in the end, it's your job as a coordinator to make sure that everything's done the right way and that you succeed and that you win. And that didn't happen. So that drives me, though. That motivates me.

from that. I think it's very important. I've been through a lot in my life in coaching, and so this kind of stuff is when you do it with good people like we are right now, it makes it easier, but it doesn't make it fun. And it's an emotional sport that we all play and coach. And for me, it's motivation. I can just say that. Ideally, this question to come next week, but we won't get you. I just want to gauge your desire and readiness to become a head coach for a second time. Sure. I really feel good about where I'm at, and again, here we are at the end of the season. So this is the time where this stuff comes up.

I've prepared for several years since I went through it at the right time. And everything that I went through in Chicago was a, it all happened for a reason. And be able to come back here in Kansas City and be here with Coach Reed and all these players is special. So, you know, we'll just continue to work through all that and, you know, see whatever happens. But, you know, it's fun. and it's just that time of the year, you know, so be ready for it. So you don't have a quarterback position. So you're not coaching the centerpiece of your team and arguably the NFL?

And everything that happened to you here? Everything that I went through in Chicago was a, it all happened for a reason. Oh, poor Matt Nagy, everything he went through here. He didn't do anything wrong. Everything just happened to him as a head coach. Is that what I am to understand? It's no one's fault other than everybody's. What in the hell are we doing here?

So when I... Like you're in charge of what, what would you say you do here if you weren't the head coach here? And you weren't in charge of a lot of the decisions that were made. Because I remember when you gave the play calling duties away and then the offense started to work and then you took them back. Was that everything that happened to you? He clearly made decisions that were bad in the long term. Well, really the short term to the long term.

even contradicted his general manager's decision and quarterbacks. Yes. I think the biggest thing is in a position where you need to have even more accountability because in theory you're far enough away from the situation to do some true not only reflection but some introspection. That seems to be lacking here? Very much so. And that's the thing.

I would have so much more respect for Matt Negi in 2026 if he, And maybe it exists out there at some point. Maybe he said something like this and I haven't seen it, but I just haven't seen it. There was the potash article, right? That's true. Where he went into the things that he would do differently, like delegate. But you need something to do if you're delegating. Well, my thing is it doesn't strike me at any point since his exit.

And really during his time here, because I was only here for the tail end of his time here. It didn't seem like he was a leader of men at any year. point. That was the direct quote that they wanted in a coach. Now, granted, that was more said, you know, after Iber flus. But that's what players want. I just, it's a lot of, like, it's all the right things, but they're just not in order. Like, he says the right stuff.

But the responsibility has to be taken. If you're a head coach, you have to take some responsibility. I think he tried with the initial article that came out. but this is in being transparent you're telling people what actually happened.

The idea, though, that he was powerless here could not be farther from the truth. This was a man who won't head coach of the year. And they tried to replicate that 2018 season success.

And thank God for Antoine Randall L. earlier today to tell you that simply getting to the playoffs isn't enough. Like your job is to get in. And then, once it is, then we cook. And this man's still trying to get into the end zone.

And the fact that he openly admitted that quarterback is not part of his purview, when quarterback is Patrick Mahomes, when arguably that's how you got this particular job here to begin with. It's rich. It goes beyond that, though. And here's why.

I think part of the problem is Matt Nagy does view himself as coach of the year. And so if that's the lens through which he's looking, like I was at the top of the, you've got to throw that away, be like, I had a good season. We can argue about why I had a good season. But the ultimate thing is I was it not able to maintain,

grow it, evolve on that. And so that year shouldn't be the focus, because that's not the peak. or at least it shouldn't be. And if that is the peak, that means everything since then has been downhill and not in a good way. I just don't know who he is.

Well, I know who he isn't. He's not a good head coach. And so when this all started, you'll remember a couple months ago, I was like, why would you hire Matt Nagy to be your coach? What is he proven to you? I was like, maybe he should just go somewhere being an offensive coordinator where he actually calls plays.

And if he does well in that job, then you get the right to maybe, considered for a lot of these head coaching. So when he came out of the gate, when the offseason started and people were like, Matt Negi, well, what? I can find better candidates. Well, I do appreciate him putting himself out there. And I did think he needed to talk. And I would have liked to have heard what he thought he learned. But I'm not sure I heard anything of the like there. This is a man who told us he wanted to find the whys. Where was the why in there? Where it made sense.

The wise. And to that end, Nate Taylor has written articles about why the chiefs wanted to hire Eric the enemy. And in there was a discussion about the lack of a counter, which has always been a concern

of this station in particular on this head coach, that Matt Nagy didn't have a counter punch when in-game or during the season in the league would make adjustments to him. I do not feel that way about Ben Johnson. I think they will

just in play because he knows how to design a playbook. But the idea that everything happened to him, you don't want to hear a head coach say that. You want to hear a head coach take responsibility. For Andy Reed to tell you all the reasons why Eric Biennamy is now the offensive coordinator and not to pretend like it's not an indictment of why Matt Nagy is no longer the offensive coordinator. Come on.

574 makes a good point here in our text line. Look at the difference between the two coaches. Negi never held himself. accountable. Johnson owns his mistakes after every game, which one shows actual leadership? Do you think Matt Nagy would ever say that it's on me when that final play that we were talking about with DJ Moore and Kayla Williams is discussed? No. And frankly, neither with the previous head coach. They'd tell you how it was supposed to go or some other stuff. Didn't execute. The difference in between getting to a playoff game and then winning one

was monumental for this team in this franchise. And therein lies the difference. Coming up next here on Rahimi Harrison Grotie, we have an interesting paragraph that has been published by her friend to Seth Wickersham. Don't worry, the bears aren't involved. Until they are. Reader's theater is next.

It's just that time of the year, you know, so be ready for it. Midday's 10 a.m. to 2 on Chicago Sports Radio 670. Safeties are high, but these guys are tight. Gonna be hard to run in the middle. I've got to throw it. Oh, that's coming after him, and he is intercepted. That incomplete they'll call it. It would only made a difference of a yard or two because they stop them anyway.

So the Patriots take over on downs. Ah, yes. Unfortunately for Sean Payton, going forward on fourth and two from the Rams 20 or the, that's the bears, going forward on fourth down was not the right call. And yet, if only he had known, if only there had been some sort of indication that he might be in the same position as say the bears before him.

It's interesting how things play out. And you say, if only that, and I say, if only we knew what he was thinking when the bears were going forward. Luckily for us, there's an author by the name of, of Seth Wickersham, who writes for ESPN, who happened to be with Sean Payton when that happened, and now I present to you a reading from ESPN.com from an article titled Inside Sean Payton's Fourth Down Patriots Broncos call. It begins. Last Sunday night, Sean Payton sat in his office at the Denver Broncos facility,

watching film of his opponent in the upcoming AFC championship game, the New England Patriots. He wanted to have the Los Angeles Rams Chicago Bears' divisional round game on in the background. He turned on one of the flat screens in his office. He flipped around, somehow ending up on Nickelodeon,

Endor the Explorer. He finally found the right channel just in time for the Bears to make a critical decision on their first drive. On 4th and 2, from the Rams 21, they elected to skip a gimmie field goal and go for it. The exact type of call that has dominated playoff professional and college football this season and can end up winning a tight game or be one of the main reasons for a loss. Peyton saw the Bears line up on offense, and he squinted. Kick it, he said.

On the play, Caleb Williams was intercepted, costing Chicago three points. The difference in the final score, Peyton responded, quote, why are coaches not kicking field goals, end quote, turning back to game preparation? I don't know, Sean. why aren't they? Fourth and one, maybe you want to go for it. And then

you don't get the points. You did the same thing. It's almost as though you forgot. You forgot who you were and as observer in that moment. It's easy to armchair quarterback, armchair coach, even if you are an NFL head coach.

That's what I learned from reading this, Lila. you have to child-proof yourself sometimes from going back to like the inner, the inner want to, the inner child, if you will. The inner Madden player, if you will. That too, where you're the risk taker and you also have faith in your team to an extent that might make your decisions a little more diluted than before. I'm looking at you, Dan Campbell. And you want to go for the throat and your competitive. and you want to do all the things. And even Sean Payton,

who I consider one of the most measured and experienced coaches in the league, says to himself watching the Bears, which is a team he grew up watching, kick it. No. Nobody did. Seen.

So on the one hand, there's the play itself, the decision to go for it on fourth and one from the 14-yard line of the New England Patriots. On the other hand is, if you are going to go for it, maybe with your backup quarterback, you just run the football. Not the bootleg. Yeah, not the bootleg with Jared Stittam. I think of like that video.

I'm still going to send it. He sent it. He went whole hog. He decided to, he went his true self. Listen, I get it, and then I don't get it. And ultimately, I get it. Well, and what's even more symmetrical about that was Denver lost the game by the difference of a field goal.

When you leave points on the board, you're leaving points on the board. And it's unlike the Bears game, it's not like, you know, the margin of victory was the field goal. It's this understanding. They didn't score a single point after that moment. Well, and that's it, is that not necessarily accounting for the weather, but you had enough confidence in your offense, and I did too, watching that first half the way they were moving the ball. I understand why he thought he was going to get there again, especially with the way his

defense was playing. Maybe field position gets you close enough, but they didn't get close enough to the end zone for the rest of the game. I wonder how much Sean Payton regrets that decision and ultimately sees this as how the NFL playoffs go, because you might get to the Super Bowl and you might not ever get back again. So every step of the way, you got to do what you can in that one moment to make the most of it. That's that heartbreak. And then it's not letting that dilute how you viewed the rest of the season. And that is a challenge.

I can't tell you how many times people thought, well, if Cody Parky had just made that field goal, the bears would go to the Super Bowl. No, they wouldn't. In fact, Sean Payton's at the time, Saints were a juggernaut then. And so were the ramps. and that was an incredible game that those two teams played. Bears wouldn't have beaten either one of those teams, not that 2018 team. I just, man, Sean Payton's not new to this, and on this day he was not true to this.

It just goes to show how hard it is to still go with what the data may say or go with what your experience was removed from it, as opposed to being in it with your own team. Like, that's what that tells me. that you have to build in a process. And when I say childproof yourself, that means hire an extra staff member if you need to help with that type of thing. I love 847 on the text line.

Better yet, did Bond Ben Johnson learn from his mistake? Learn is in all caps, by the way. Guess we'll find out next season. Does Ben Johnson think it was a mistake, though? That's the question. Like, Sean Payton is out here saying it was a mistake. Like, he said he regretted that call, that he should have gone with his initial call.

And not everybody does that. Like, Ben Johnson may not regret it. 7.04 appropriately. Sean Payton. Who you crappin. Thanks to everybody who was a part of our show. Friendly reminder. Our Twitch address is now.

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