Rahimi, Harris & Grote Show - Anthony Herron reacts to Ravens hiring Bears offensive coordinator Declan Doyle

Episode Date: February 2, 2026

Marshall Harris and Mark Grote were joined by Score football analyst Anthony Herron to discuss Bears offensive coordinator Declan Doyle leaving for the same position with the Ravens. Doyle will call plays for Baltimore, an opportunity he didn’t have in Chicago.

This hour is brought to you by Menards. Save big money at Menards. Anthony Heron, score football analyst. It's been fun watching the fantastic physical specimen that Darnell Wright is. It was on full display last week, and there was some really big moments he had against the Bengals. But he's going to have a unique challenge this week against the leading sack artist in the national football league. But we have heard the term unicorn utilized when describing Darnell Wright. Just look how much time Caleb Williams has its max protection. and Colston Loughlin runs what they call a sail route.

He's wide open. Former NFL defensive lineman and Iowa Huckoff. Anthony Herron received credit for it. Tenacious job by Anthony Heron number 99. Mr. Haddon, I want to compliment you doing a fine job. Big Ann Heron on 1043 The Score. Hey, it's Rahimi Harrison Grody. Hey.

On 1043, the score. And we have In the House, in the studio for the next hour. I think he's here for the full hour. He's Anthony Heron. He joins us the Circa Resort and Casino Hotline in studio, Circa Las Vegas.com. What up, big ants?

What up, Grotes? Your hair's looking good. Marshall's looking like a strapping young lad. We got all the boss man's got the suit and tie going right now, man. FM. We are on the FM dial. Mitch gets to just take deep breaths now because these guys, Mitch and Ryan and Ashley,

Kevin Cassidy. Kevin Cassidy. They've been running around like crazy people. Oh, we got baked goods. Mitch is now passing out donuts. When are you going to, are you going to shuffle? Are you going to shuffle? Now that the work is done, time to shuffle.

I think you're shortchating Mitch's role here. He's looking at me like I'm a crazy person right now. You've been introduced to the Mitchie shuffle. Of course. You know what it is? Anytime at any public appearance with Mitch, I am looking out for the Mitch because I want to catch him in the act.

And I have a couple of times, but it's always fun to watch. Does that make us the shuffling crew? Is that what this is? We are the Mitch. Shuffle. No, I like that. That can work. What I did notice, though, was Mitch sat this tasty looking pastry. That's fresh. That just came in the studio. That's hot off

the lamination. I'm really eager to check it out, but yeah, he's got it on this laminated piece of paperwork. I have no idea whose germs are on this thing. It's Ryan Porth's, but he just held the corners of it. He literally brought this the break before. We could spray it out of your donut. Seems like a guy who's washed his hand, so I'm going to, I don't want to take such things

for granted. He tucks his shirt in, so that that looks to be... That's usually a telltale side, right? That he probably does things like washes. He may even put on a little bit of sanitizer to go along with it, possibly. I mean, this isn't going to stop me from eating it, but if my wife happened to be tuning in right now, she would be very concerned. She calls me the host.

I'm the guy who brings the germs home, and then they impact the rest of the household in a different way. Contamating the whole ecosystem. That's me. Yeah. But I'm definitely going to eat this thing. I don't know if this is, oh, no, okay. I had one earlier.

I was worried it was like a cream filled kind of thing. No, no, no, it's a straight. It's a straight donut. I scraped, they judged me, aunt, because I scraped all the sprinkles off because I'm not a sprinkles guy. I just, just give me the straight donut, yeah. I feel like you're still like this onion where layers are being peeled off of Marshall Harris.

Well, he's letting it loose on FM is what it is. Yeah, FM's different, man. He's all irreverent now. I feel like a different guy. It's a great FM day, you know? That's what it is. You guys sound really good on FM. Like AM, it was like, eh.

But when I switched it, because the whole time I was driving here, I was kind of flipping back and forth between FM and AM. You can hear the difference? AM, I mean, you're suitable. FM. You got sound really good. Well, to be very clear about it, too, because I did, I was talking to my Central Illinois friends and even our Indiana friends as well. Are the Hall of Famers? Well, you know, not everybody could be a Hall of Famer.

That's true. You know, not just anybody gets in. Only one Hall of Famer in my house and it ain't me. We know that. We know that that is your wife for sure. But some people like, so, oh, well, I'm not getting 104 here in Granger, Indiana. The way, here's the thing. When I was talking about 670, maybe I misrepresented, that's where you get the distance

on the AM dial. You get the clarity and the bigger sound, if you want, on the FM. So it is the AM that we were bragging about, the distance to which you can hear the score. So that's the way the world works. But it is a grand day here at the score. You've been around here forever. Ant, you know that we went from the score did, started as

820 back on Belmont, became 1160 a.m. Quite the jump from 8.5. I don't know that they wanted that necessarily. I think it made the radio down heavier. It went all the way to 1160. That was like too heavy. So let's cut this in a half. But we did get to move into that building that we could see from our building, and that's the

NBC Tower. That's where the score was for years and years and years. And BC. Yeah, that's right. And then we're like, okay, we got back into the 670 era, which was here at Prudential. And now here we are, 104-3 FM. The big just keeps on getting bigger. So I see cookies.

I see what I assume are glasses of champagne or some sort. I feel free to have some champagne. I mean, I got to drive home later, so I probably won't. But I mean, I just like the fact that it's there and available. It makes it look very classy as we've gone over to the other. FM dial, a number of boxes of all kinds of pastries and baked goods, all kinds of balloons, like Danny Parkins would be really happy. There's balloons everywhere so we could act like we, you know, there was some kind of QB1 party going on. So there's a lot that's happening here

at the station today, which is why I felt it need to come in person. We appreciate you being here in person. Not because I just enjoy your presence, but, you know, score history being made today. So I can be here in person, got my, you know, celebration shirt on, let's all celebrate, have a good time. Everybody on Twitch can check that out. Like I, I think I mentioned this last week, Marshall's the only person I interact with consistently, who I think has a better collection of T-shirts than I do, but I really felt like the celebration T-shirt was one that really suited the day. That is absolutely appropriate for today and really kind of carries a thing.

I like the color of the shirt as well, because that could be like a black and white. It's got celebratory type tones to it with the orange and the yellow and the white. Yeah, it feels funny. I want to ask you, because I don't know that anybody's celebrating. I mean, I guess they are celebrating because the sign of a good NFL program, a good organization is when people move on to bigger and better other places. We've now seen Ian Cummingsham become a general manager in Atlanta. We've seen Eric Biennamy go back to being the offensive coordinator,

which is a promotion and title change for him back in Kansas City with Andy Reed. And now, Declan Doyle, I thought they were going to get through unscathed because he turned down that job, call and plays for what I feel like has got to be a very dysfunctional organization in Philadelphia, based on how this went down. And then the next thing I know he's being targeted and now is going to be the offensive coordinator for the Ravens with a multiple time MVP and Lamar Jackson. What's a little bit fascinating about it too is because Declan Doyle has had a really quick rise in the coaching ranks and then to pull his name out of that situation with the Eagles, one of the most consistent franchises in the National Football League. We've seen various coaches come in, competing for Super Bowls, winning Super Bowls, various quarterbacks for years now, leading the team to playoff runs and division titles. If you want to say who's winning more in the NFL than any other franchise in football, you want to go towards the top of that list.

You look at this century, the Philadelphia Eagles are towards the top of the list of winning its franchises in the sport. Regardless of the folks operating at the coach and quarterback positions, the two most important sports. bots to fill on the team. So for Declan Doyle to pull his name out of the Eagle search, but then be willing to go with the Baltimore Ravens also one of these franchises. That is remarkably consistent. And there's been less turnover at quarterback, I would say. But still, with multiple quarterbacks since they won the Super Bowl right at the turn of

the century, they've had a few different quarterbacks in, but they've still been able to win consistently, you know, in the midst of multiple head coaches. So, yes, he got a job and got this opportunity with another consistent franchise. But as those discussions, those interviews take place, for a young guy like that to essentially stiff arm the Eagles, kind of mush him in the face, like, no, I'm good. You may want to offer me to get the job. You got to go out and find someone else. But then very quickly to about face and go with the Baltimore Ravens, that's where you would hope everyone's an adult in these situations where, oh, you didn't want us. That's fine.

You're a professional. You made your choice. But there was no bridge there to be burned. but I do wonder a little bit just Eagles ownership, coaches and executives in place who say, oh, you think they're a better situation than us. And it is a little dicey when coaches do turn down some of these opportunities. You know what I like in it too, guys? It's like when you ask that girl out and she's like, yeah, I think I'm just going to stay in on Friday.

I don't, I just think I'm going to stay in. You know, the weather's a little too cold or whatever. And you're like, all right, cool. And then you go somewhere. and you see her there with a dude that's harsh man or you go somewhere else to see on social media

that she actually was out that night kicking it with a dude and I'm like you just wouldn't it I thought you were just going to keep it at I thought you were going to keep it there that was bad enough to me I'm not interested in hanging out with you tonight

I prefer my couch over you but that's what he said I'm withdrawing when he said I'm withdrawing my name right the thought was oh he wants to spend another year with Ben Johnson at the house.

Developing. Oh, no. He's like immediately. I mean, was it three days? Maybe four? I mean, definitely less than a week. And he was back out in them streets and found someone else to hang out with. Who are you, Declan Doyle?

Who are you? What are you ultimately? I mean, good for him too, like this job specifically because obviously he gets to work with a future Hall of Fame already having been an MVP quarterback. who ain't done by a long stretch, I don't think. You just call Lamar Jackson a future Hall of Famer? I think so. Okay. I'm pretty comfortable with that.

Is that a bold statement? I had to think about it. I was like, I did, it didn't, when he said it, I didn't say he's a surefire Hall of Fame, but now I'll think about it. I'll probably come up to this. The whole Bill Belichick thing, this is obviously a really sort of subjective. It's got in your head, I'm saying. But through my lens, being a two-time MVP,

solidifies his Hall of Fame status. Even beyond if he led a team to two Super Bowls. Like, Eli Manning is not a surefire Hall of Famer in my mind. No. Because in the regular season, Eli Manning was never one of the top quarterbacks in the sport. I got Matt Linerd a few weeks ago started talking about Matthew Stafford as a top five quarterback of all time. That was a preposterous statement to make.

He has rarely, he has just entered the space of being consistently viewed as one of the top five quarterbacks. in football, let alone an all-time top-five great. He's always been productive. Matt Stafford has rarely been viewed as one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL at any one given time. So that statement, to me, I'm like, well, yeah, I think he's probably going to be a Hall of Famer. Top five all-time is skipping several steps for Matthew Stafford.

Your guy, Stafford has played 17 years. He's been all-pro one time, and it was this year. Yeah. Let's really, when you really think about it, that's why when you say the Lamar Jackson I'm sorry, when Grotty said it, I had to really think about it, but you're probably right. Well, that's where to me, because, to your point, Grohl's, he's been a two-time MVP. He's been viewed as the best quarterback and the best player in the league multiple times in his career. So that, that to me is where the Hall of Fame status of a player is solidified even more so than being a part of the collective,

because you guys know how much the collective, those 53 bodies and beyond that, the 90-some bodies, and then coaches and personnel, it takes to actually have a team win it all to go to the Super Bowl and make that happen. So the quarterback is the most important cog in that, but there's so much that goes into a Super Bowl championship that's different than just saying, oh, that was the best player in the entire sport. That individual season, you do that a couple of times. Yeah, you're 100% right. Lamar Jackson's a Hall of Famer. Stafford has only got two more Pro Bowl appearances than Shador Sanders. Right.

And he's like, it's a great boy. That's a great point. That's just amazing, that whole story in itself. I am a little worried about the mix there, though. Really? Okay, because that's what I was going to say. The reason I like it, and I want to hear what you have to say, is because of Lamar Jackson, because of that offense and some of the talent on it,

and because it's a good situation for him, because the head coach Jesse Minter is a defensive guy. He's not going to have that guy poking around. It's his show. For better, for worse, it's Declan Doyle's show. Not only is he getting his first play calling, Jesse Minter probably, again, as a defensive guy with the Chargers, it's probably going to say, it's yours, man, make something out of it.

Why don't you think it's a great fit? So when you think of the brief time, frankly, that Declan Doyle has been a coach in the National Football League. He's been greatly influenced by Sean Payton and Ben Johnson as the two offensive minds and the schematic minds that have presumably influenced what he is right now as a coach and what he will become as a play caller being able to implement his own system. So the volume of verbiage and personnel groupings and the things that are on the plate of the quarterback are really expansive.

It's really voluminous what both Sean Payton and Ben Johnson task their quarterbacks with. Now, we've seen Sean Payton in this second go-around as a head coach in Denver. He's been able to tweak things to kind of help Bone Knicks along a little bit, to not have his egg scrambled so frequently with everything he's tasking him with. And Ben Johnson, that development of Caleb Williams, that development arc, it took some time throughout the season to get to that point where Caleb was the true field general, where he was able to consume, to diagnose, and to display everything Ben Johnson wanted him to within the Bears' offense. So if that's where Declan Doyle is going to be with his offensive system as a play caller, it's a different circumstance now, where he has Lamar Jackson, who has already won two MVP's probably should have. a third MVP doing it his way, doing it in the way, yeah, multiple offensive play callers, but not within any offensive system that would rival what the quarterback is tasked with

verbally and mentally post-snap within a Sean Payton offense or the Ben Johnson offense, as we know it here. So my impression is either Lamar Jackson will need to sort of, I guess, continue to evolve as a quarterback at this point in his career, or Declan Doyle will have to. And he's a very smart young man and a really accomplished coach for someone who's been doing it for such a short period of time. So I would imagine you don't go into coaching Lamar Jackson thinking that I'm going to do exactly what was done before with quarterbacks who don't rival the skills of Lamar Jackson. But I don't see this exact Bears offense or that exact Broncos offense being something Declan Doyle just brings to Lamar Jackson and says, here's the playbook, learn it.

They're probably going to need to meet in the middle somewhere, but it's not this automatic square peg in a square hole situation. No, no, I agree with your assessment of it. And I would say that's a healthy thing because I think that's what works is you meet the quarterback that you're coaching. But we would have to assume he'll meet him there because we haven't seen him run that sort of system is my point. Does Lamar want to change? And maybe Declan Doyle is a godsend for Lamar because maybe he unlocked something that will extend him beyond his athletic years. That's my point, though, is I think they need to meet each other,

and I think they both will be willing to because there's a reason a head coach just got fired, right? There's a reason why you have not gotten as far as you want to go in your career in terms of making it to the Super Bowl from Lamarra Jackson. So I'm interested to see that. The other thing I do like is the tight ends thing. Baltimore has tight ends. They like to use tight ends. Declan Doyle, obviously very familiar with 12 and even 13 personnel. I like the fit for the evolution for both guys, the offensive coordinator, the play caller.

in a first-time role and also the quarterback who is trying to keep his career going at a certain level. Okay, good. Because I thought I heard you say that you hated defensive head coaches when I was driving here, so maybe I misunderstood. So it was good. He said that, right? Oh, okay. No, that's me. Point stands, once he does a good job, if that happens, he will be gone. You know both coaches in the Super Bowl are defensive coaches. I sure do. Okay. And the guy who's not Andy Reid that has won more games since he entered the league that just got fired in Buffalo is the guy who is second in win since he's. into the NFL. And he's never been

to the Super Bowl. I know that. And there's a lot of offensive coaches who've never been to the Super Bowl. And there's a reason Andy Reid fired him when he was his defensive coordinator, Sean McDermott. Remember, if it's bills, I'm going to tell you about it. If it's Eagles, I'm going to tell you about it. And Sean McDermott fits both those in the Venn diagram. But the point is he's won a bunch.

It's my point. He's won a bunch. There's defensive coaches in this sport. Even John Harbaugh in this sport was not an offensive coach. I am with you. And that's why I said, Mike Tomlin, was not an offensive coach. as big a Tomlin as anyone. What I'm saying is in the modern NFL,

you have a better chance of sustained success if you've got that offensive guy because he's not leaving you. Your defensive guy, look at Philadelphia right now. How many offensive coordinators have they been through in the last decade? And they keep winning. They do keep winning.

I don't want to break time. I want to yell at Marshall. Can we handle more Anthony Heron? You know what's so funny, Marshall? They win next year. I'll tell you that right now. I used to. suddenly going to stop winning. I used to leave a segment for Anthony Haram when I have him on as a guest just for him to tell us what we've gotten wrong.

While he's riding around, listening to the score. Normally I like to just text when you get something wrong and I'm able to tune in. Yeah, yeah. He's like, oh, that guy shouldn't have his jersey. You're tired. This guy's crazy, man. You've got to be kidding me. Marshall's nuts.

I am nuts. It's fine. It's not the topics he wants to tell us where we're wrong. Not even the stuff we want to talk about. Yeah, not necessarily. And it's beautiful. It is. Where Marshall was wrong.

I've been wrong plenty, so if you want to bring us more of those after the break, we will do it. We'll also dig into more on the Bears and their offseason and Ian Cunningham and Eric Bienemy and all the different moving parts for the Bears.

More with Anthony Heron is next on Rahimi and Harris on 1043 the score. Angrody. Did I say my name? Oh, and Grotie.