Rahimi, Harris & Grote Show - Anthony Herron talks Super Bowl, whether Bears should pursue Maxx Crosby (Hour 2)

Episode Date: February 9, 2026

In the second hour, Leila Rahimi, Marshall Harris and Mark Grote were joined by Score football analyst Anthony Herron to share his takeaways from the Seahawks’ 29-13 win over the Patriots on Sunday in Super Bowl 60. Herron also shared his concern with the Bears potentially acquiring Raiders star pass rusher Maxx Crosby in a trade. Later, Rahimi, Harris and Grote conducted the Halftime segment.

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What's up, my good people? Yeah, man. We had the Super Bowl last night, had all the festivities, the festivists that was Super Bowl 60s. That was fun. And then I, we hadn't actually hosted at our spot. This is the second Super Bowl that we've been in the Burbs now. But last night was the first time we actually hosted people over at the house. And my wife is a huge Patriots fan and things weren't going well.

But then I had to leave before the end of the game to go into the city because I had some NBC 5 duties last night with Luke and Ellis after the game and after the Olympics coverage. And then we were part of the newscast there at the end of the night. So I wasn't there to sort of see the tail end of it, just where Patriots fans, even though, as I've said to her and to my in-laws, they've been very spoiled this entire century,

but at a certain point that reality sets in on the direction the game is not taking further squad. I wasn't able to be there at the true end of the game to give her the warm embrace of what that defeat for the Patriots must have felt like. Wait, you had people over, you say. We're trying to figure out if Grotie was at a party or a gathering. So how many people did you have over and what would you call it? Oh, okay.

So I don't think it's accurate to, only base it on the amount of people there for whether or not you would call it a party because we also did order a bunch of food to and, you know, we all gathered within our, you know, our fairly, you know, decent-sized theater space we have in our basement and had to get some things corrected on Friday to make sure that was going to be as pristine as we wanted it to. So I think in the end between family and friends, I have to look at the pictures, probably probably 12 people.

Yeah, that's a party. I mean, family and friends, that's, yeah, that's a party. As opposed to what? When you say that? Gathering. Enemies. Yeah. That's what I'm going to say.

Three of your favorite enemies. I'm just going to make it real simple. I think a gathering is fewer than, less than 10 people. Less than 10 people. Yeah. And you know them pretty well. What if some of those people are kids? Do you need like three kids to count for a full adult?

I'd say two and a half counts as a full adult. Two and a half kids. Kids being at a party is a game changer because they have to be accounted for, right? Like that's a whole thing. At all times. At all times. Depending on the age, yeah. Even though they're probably desirous of going into other rooms and hanging out.

Running around. Going in the basement and whatnot. Yeah. Thank you for answering our survey. Yeah. Was Lou Canellis? Is he a different? Because, boy, he got his picture up there a few times during the Super Bowl.

Those Luke could help, like looking like a badass up there. I mean, I don't know, Lou might be a different person now that he's gotten all that Super Bowl shine. So far so good. I just called him in the direct aftermath. I mean, maybe a week from now, we're going to see Lou with, like, blonde hair or something like that. You know, maybe at least frosted tips.

Frosty tips. You know what you're having a relapse to that guy Fiery commercial. I forget what the product was. Oh, right. Bosh. It was Bosh. Unrecognizable. I had no idea.

I'm like, is that Jimmy Johnson? Have they used, like, CGI to make Jimmy Johnson look younger? Had no clue. It was amazing, right? Yeah. This game was bad. I'm just going to throw it out here. No, no, because look.

He might think differently. You play defense, man. No, no, I'm going to give it to you like this. I like a defensive play. I like a strong defensive performance, but I can also recognize when offense is bad. Is it fair to say the Patriots offense was bad in this game? Yes.

Thank you. I would agree with that. And they throughout the postseason, they've obviously been bad. Now, great defenses will make you, look bad, but the Patriots offense has not consistently been a consistent world beater this year either. There was some boom or bust element to the Patriots offense during the regular season also. Now, Drake May's accuracy, his completion percentage being as consistently excellent as it was, was a huge part of what kept the chains moving for them.

But in the postseason, that hadn't been the case. As the competition is ramped up, that hasn't shown up. And we certainly saw that play out a decent bit with the Bears. throughout much of the regular season, but the Bears, sort of regardless of opponent, regardless of defense, they had that surge, that finishing kick that they could establish. And the pats throughout the postseason haven't necessarily needed that

because their defense has performed so well. But neither quarterback really had a strong game. Sam Darnel between the two of them, to his credit. Because I think I was speaking to you guys about this maybe a little bit last week. You even go back to college, where I called a bunch of Sam Donald's games in college.

reason he was the number three pick instead of the number one overall pick in that draft cycle was not because of the ceiling not being immense by comparison to his counterparts. It was that he was a turnover machine his entire time at USC. It has been that throughout his NFL career also was even that this season led the NFL in turnovers, but this playoff run, he's protected the football at a much higher level. He was the guy who didn't take sacks and didn't turn it over in the Super Bowl. Drake May took sacks and turned it over multiple times. And that was really the main deciding factor when comparing one QB with the other.

Was it just the, I guess this is way too narrow, but how much was the Seattle defense responsible for Drake May being bad for the most part in this game? He was uncomfortable both physically and mentally throughout the entire game. And those are really the two ways that you pressure a quarterback. You either pressure them physically by putting. that pass rush pressure on them, having a QB under physical duress

where they either need to try and extend the play if that's within their bag of tricks or just to be able to get the ball out quickly. And if they feel like they don't have a target to throw it to, then they're going to hold the ball. As Drake May was holding the ball throughout much of the postseason and in the Super Bowl yesterday. You also put mental pressure on them. And that's what really makes the Seahawks defense, I think, unique

by comparison to a number of other defenses throughout the league where they can get home with four with the best of them. They will rush the quarterback without the blitz and still have you feeling that heat. But then they also do have this exceptional blitz package that Michael McDonald will

rush you with. And that's where the mental pressure comes into it because you don't know for sure which it's going to be if they are going to lay back in coverage and just rush with four and get home that way. But you still have to respect the Devin Witherspoon blitz that they are willing to throw at you as well.

They can bring it from all angles, but both are really effective. And some defenses will just lean into either version of themselves, but the Seahawks can do both, and they do both really well. So, you know, Drake may look like a really young QB, and he looked like a young QB against the majority of the defenses they faced in the postseason, but specific to the Super Bowl that they played last night, his inexperience showed up. and to some extent the lack of playmaker as well,

that the Patriots just didn't have someone other kind of electrifying enough to consistently put some fear into that Seahawks defense. We're talking to our football analyst, former Iowa Hawkeye, NFL athlete as well, Anthony Herron, here on Rahimi Harrison Grotie on 1043, the score. And I'm glad you brought up Devin Witherspoon. We had talked about him. I think he had tremendous playoffs. But the stat that he had 21 pass-rush snaps in 14 games,

this season before the Super Bowl and then had six. That was clearly a wrinkle that the Seahawks defense had unveiled specifically for this game. What do you think about that? The idea of just building your game plan throughout the playoffs, especially when you have two weeks, and then also the way that they utilized

him and how disruptive he was in this game. That's a great word for him. Disruptive. That's precisely what he was. He likes to reroute receivers and coverage, but he's shown in kind of limited availability, limited opportunity to do it going back to his college career at Illinois but even to your point throughout his time

in the National Football League, a young career but he hasn't been a consistent part of the Blitz package. But his physical in coverage. He can support the run with physicality also because he's willing to do that. And I was just waiting for, like I described the other day that

I feel like Drake May is kind of what Josh McDaniels hoped Tim Tebow would be for him not only in his day and day out attitude, demeanor, maturity, but the sort of multidimensional ability he could bring to the table because we know he can be remarkably accurate with the deep ball

and he's also an exceptional athlete as a quarterback. This should have been a double digit carry game for Drake May because you had to know going in. You've seen the film. You know what the Seahawks defense presents and you know what you lack on offense. And Drake May legs, they should have gone into this game with the game plan that the running ability of

their quarterback would be a bigger part of how they try to gain some advantage on one of the top defenses in football. I was really shocked that they didn't go in with that as a focal point. You know, 10, 12 carries, maybe not 20 plus carries. If you as Drake made it give you 20 carries, I'm pretty confident he'd give it to you, but at least 10, 12 carries and then just depending on how many snaps of offense, they run throughout the game. That to me could have been a separating factor, but it ended up being a situation

where he's standing in the pocket and they could just bring a very similar blitz with Devon Witherspoon over and over and over again. And even when it didn't completely get home, you could tell. It was just speeding up the timing mechanism of that Patriots passing attack, heating up the pocket

in that way. That was part of the mental pressure that was there. So it was masterful for Michael McDonnell to do that and to continue to throw it at them because they showed that they just didn't have an answer for it. And when we look at this game and the way it went down and really the way this entire season went down, I feel good knowing that the best team in the NFL, at least through

my eyes, won the Super Bowl. That's not always the case. And I also feel a little scared because I feel like because they're not, and this Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson formula where you're paying the quarterback so much money, and they got that defense. Yeah. They could come back and make another. run and be successful doing what they just did.

Not paying the quarterback all this money yet. I will be fascinated to watch how the offseason plays out for Sam Darnold. I think it was a fairly short deal he signed with Seattle. I don't even, I don't know the deal terms off the top of my head. But if you got a guy who's on like a three-year deal or something like that, he just finished the first season and led you to a Super Bowl championship, quarterbacks tend to feel like that's time to come up, you know, to get that full bag. because bags of cats can always be bigger.

Yeah, three years, $105 million, just so you, I'm sorry, $100,500,000 just so you know. That, to me, screams renegotiation from Sam Donald's representatives. Would be my anticipation. That's my assumption going into this. Now, are they going to demand him to be the top paid quarterback in the sport? I think that would be flawed logic. But for him to step in and be a guy who's led them to a Super Bowl championship, I'm confident there's plenty of bonuses, worked into his deal for the postseason success.

that they've experienced. But now that he's shown, I'm a Super Bowl QB, and there's nothing about this team that indicates I might not be able to do this again. So you've got a free agent in K-9, Kenneth Walker III. He's going to be looking to get paid, as he should as well, because he's really one of the main engines of this offense throughout the season. He's the Super Bowl MVP. But I wouldn't anticipate that the amount of the cap that San Brown will be consistent.

And that's where, from the Bears perspective, you know, kind of like I was texting about with you guys a little bit during the game here, the quarterback position and where they're at in that space right now knowing they've got a couple more years. Well, at least another year. We'll see here, you know, how things go after season three. But potential for another couple of years here where Caleb Williams continues to be on that rookie deal. You know going in what percentage of the cap he takes up. So to take advantage of this next couple of seasons here where he will be essentially a rookie deal. cap-controlled piece of your salary cap, then you take advantage of it now because, you know,

Sam Donald's going to be in a stronger position to kind of get more and more money for the success they're having as a squad. And he's earned it, but he hasn't earned it because he is, to your point, that Patrick Mahomes type. He's a key engine, but they're not winning because they have the best quarterback in the sport. They're winning because they have a very talented QB and an exceptional roster of talent around By the way, this gives me an opportunity to slide in a bear's question. That is.

That is. You just mentioned Caleb Williams and the importance of any team winning when they have a good quarterback on a rookie contract. They just hired Press Taylor to be their offensive coordinator, higher from within. Do you seem like that was the right idea? Just to keep it buttoned up, just higher from within. Let's keep whatever you have from the inside going with Ben Johnson because he could just literally take the baton and keep running. There's a lot about it that I like. The main thing that excites me about it is key figures

like in the orbit of teaching and developing Caleb Williams get to maintain their current position. J.T. Barrett continues to be the QB coach in a similar capacity to what he already was. He gets more time on task and more kind of career development as the QB coach that is most directly responsible for hands-on with Caleb Wool. Williams, as Caleb continues to skyrocket, then the perception of J.T. Barrett will continue to skyrocket as well. So you don't have to switch him around, Antoine Randallel as the assistant head coach and receivers

coach. That's a meeting room as well that will need continued development and has the potential to continue to show that. Think about the example from Seattle, where the Seahawks move on from D.K. Metcalfe. They're proven commodity. Their big play-wide receiver whose overall game as a wideout isn't completely as fleshed out as you would like it to be. There's, there's kind of some limitations to the full scope of what D.K. Metcalf is excellent at as a wideout, but he's an excellent player and he makes big plays. They decided to move on from D.K. Metcalf with the ascension that they believed was coming from

J.S.N., from Jackson Smith and Jigba. Do the bears feel like there's that potential from a Luther burden? I don't know. But you could draw some comparisons from that with Seattle and say, all right, they had a big time wide out. Bears have a big time wide out and DJ Moore. But they also have a young, developing, impressionable receiver room beyond DJ Moore as well. So to the press Taylor question, I like the fact that J.T. Bear is in his spot. Antoine Randalel is in his spot. And you elevate a guy who has had the responsibility of implementing a game plan in NFL offenses before.

He knows how to do that. And so now you can elevate him into that role. and then you've still got one of the best play callers in the sport as your head coach slash offensive play caller and Ben Johnson. So it allows a degree of continuity to the Bears' offense that shifting someone else around into that role would have kind of been a little bit more disruptive. That's not the only Bears adjacent question I think we have for Anthony Aaron. We have more coming up. Bears Adjacist. I love it.

Maybe we just bring back Tony Gill and Russ Dorsey and College of Day. You're a real one later. Yeah. They did do the real one test. You're right. Yeah, I'd say you'd qualify. Well, thank. Yeah.

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Bring a lot of mild sauce because I'm going to squirt it all over the place. Put some hot sauce off on my burrito, baby. Rahimi Harrison Grody, midday's 10 a.m. to 2 on the score. This is Rahimi Harrison Grotie on 1043, the score. We continue our conversation with Anthony Heron.

Anthony Herron is, of course, a score co-host with us, former NFL defensive player. He also works for Big Ten Network. Fox 32 was on NBC5 last night. We're happy to have him on here. We were talking about some of the defensive strategy that was used as well. Ernest Jones had a lot of really good information

that he said after the game. I thought one of the biggest takeaways I had was him saying, we weren't going to devote an extra man to Drake May's running threat. That is part of the Seahawks plan. They were just going to go with what they usually do when it comes to their defensive plan.

We know it changed a little because of Devin Witherspoon, for example, blitzing more. But what do you think about that aspect of it? That they were like, all right, Drake, May, run on us if you want, but it's not going to go very far. And that's the thing that surprised me. And I wonder, as Josh McDaniels looks back at it, as Mike Vrable looks back at it, if they say, yeah,

we could have allowed that to take pressure off of Drake May. He doesn't have to run for 120 yards for that to be an effective way to now be a counterbalance to that Seahawks defense because Seattle dictated terms that entire game aside from one chunk play

a big 35-yard touchdown pass that Drake May completed aside from that, that one Mack Hollins play, the entire game was Seattle's defense dictating terms to New England's offense. Now, conversely, New England's defense played at really well, but there were still drives where Seattle, Sam Donald, Kenneth Walker III, were able to move the football.

They're settling for field goals. So you could tell just the way the game was still in the balance, there was going to need to be some sort of a schematic counterpunch that New England could come up with. And it just really shocks me that the legs of Drake May weren't attempted more consistently to become that for them. It was all right. We're going to let them drop back and another predictable down and distance. Oh, well, too bad.

Bad pass rush got home again or too bad another errant pass from Drake. But when his legs are part of the formula for them, not only does it infuse some additional life and confidence in New England's offense because they have the ability to move the chains more consistently, but it can take the starch out of that pass rush. Because there's one thing to say schematically, we weren't going to over adjust, we weren't going to have an extra defender occupied for the legs of Drake May. But when you're talking about rushing the edge, all right, DeMarcus is. Lawrence, you can go ahead and keep flying up the field if you want to, but you're creating

a running lane for the QB now. And if Drake May begins to gash them with QB power, QB draw, QB lead, QB sweep, even, he's fast enough for that, but just some sort of consistent wrinkle in the run game using him as a runner, that to me would have been a, I'll say this, you know, Lamar Jackson, playoff games that he's lost as he's advanced into the NFL postseason. the main issue that's been for him has been when they haven't allowed, when Baltimore hasn't made a concerted effort

to keep his legs as a part of what keeps that opposing defense off balance. If that can be your superpower, especially if you're still young enough to feature it, let that be your superpower against a fast and aggressive and quickly flowing defense like Seattle presents. Aunt Haren joining us here on Rahimi Harrison Grody and speaking of pass rush,

the latest from Mike Floreo of Pro Football. talk. Apparently, Max Crosby says he's done with the Las Vegas Raiders. He's referring to a report by Jason Lockhamforah of Sportsboom.com in which an unnamed GM told Lockenforra, quote, he told Tom Brady he will never play for the Raiders again. That's a fact. He told them he'll retire before he ever plays for them again, but I'm not sure they're actually going to trade him. Miles Garrett said the same thing last year, and we know how that ended up, end quote. And what's your reaction to this idea that Max Crosby's done with the Raiders? And should that have the bears poking around and trying to really get a plan together

to make a trade for Max Crosby? I'm impressed that Max Crosby was able to look into Tom Brady's wee, be little eyes and telling me what going to play for him anymore. A lot of folks might find that imposing or intimidating. Might be a text. Yes, maybe it was that. Dreaming. Maybe that's exactly what it did.

Just sent him like a voice text or something like that. All right, time, here's a deal, man. I'm not going to come see you, but here's exactly what's going on. But Max Crosby is 28 years old. So from a health perspective, the menisical repair that he's going through, when you remove meniscus, you recover more quickly, but the long-term health of the joint, in this case of the knee, isn't viewed as something that's going to be sustained itself as well.

You get it repaired. The recovery is longer. That's the good thing where you're getting this done over the off season. Now the few months it'll take. He'll still be Max Crosby again. And at the age he's at right now. So he'll step into whatever locker room he steps into of the offseason or next training camp

or whatever that takes place. And he'll be one of the top pass rushers, one of the top defensive ends in the sport. From a bear's perspective, do they have the capital available? Do they have the not only cap space, but personnel available? Just almost similar to a Bulls conversation. Oh, no.

What do they have to go get Janus? Is it available to them? them, what do the bears have to go get Max Crosby? They do have the second round picks me more in the NFL, just to point that out. John Greiber doesn't understand that, though, by the way. But the issue is what they've already invested into the defensive front. That's a huge factor within this, because you've gone really big into Montez's sweat. You've gone fairly heavy, integrated Jared, in the Diol Deng Bowl.

You've got a position group, and you, yeah, you should continue to put, draft capital into it as well because that's a continued investment. But they have also done that pretty consistently also. They just haven't had any of these draft picks hit at a really high level. So that to me is my concern, is how much of your cap space by percentage can you continue to invest in the defensive front to go get someone like Max Crosby who will come in here and will he be looking for a new deal? Maybe not a new deal.

But he is going to be a guy who comes in and the amount of financial wherewithal that you would now have invested into the D-line, to me, seems like it negates that potential. Whether you're talking Max Crosby or even when Miles Garrett was demanding a trade, there's certain names that have a dollar value that, to me, is likely beyond where the Bears can go with their current D-line situation. Yeah, I mean, you're probably right. And yeah, he's like 28 years old as Max Crosby. He's like, that's what, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven years.

There's like, okay, that's it. Now I got to get out of here because he did put up with it. Yes. For a while. He put up with a lot of foolishness. He really did. And then he got soap. See what sobriety does, folks?

You get sober and you're like, oh my God, there's so many things that can be so much better. That's right. That's right. That's right. You can be better. And I think that that's part of what's going. Am I missing something? Like, I don't know.

I'd be excited for Max Criesby to show up here and be a member of the bands. You're not missing any. You're not willing to do the accounting is what it sounds like. It's really tough. I mean, but it seemed inconceivable when Khalil Mac came here as well. So anything is possible, but you're right. You'd have to make some pretty tough decisions, Anthony. They didn't already have one of the highest paid defensive linemen in the

league on their roster in that meeting room when they went and got Khalil Mack. That's the difference. They already have Montez Sweat as one of the highest paid defensive linemen in the sport. Dio Dangbo isn't too, like he's off that pace, but he's also a really highly compensated defensive lineman they have in here. It's one thing to have a bunch of first round picks and not be able to keep them all when it's time to pay. They got guys in that D-line meeting room already that have gotten that bag that have gotten to that second or third contract already

at this stage in their career. There's a sizable chunk of the Bears' salary cap and draft capital that's already invested into the D-line. So it's not just about this season's cap number. It's about that one position group. How much of it can you allow the

defensive line to take up to add one more player? And how big of a difference does Max Crowley make to that defensive front? He will certainly make a difference anywhere he goes, but I'd be curious to see. I don't know if it's Greenberg or Biggs or fishy business, somebody put that number together, and I would love to kind of read

how that shapes up. How much of the Bears cap and draft capital already is eaten up by this D-line that has definitely underperformed, but now they're in this tricky spot. Because you can't just go out and get anybody else that you want to because the money's available, because then what do you do

at additional depth at running back? What do you do if the wide receiver room looks different because maybe you move on from DJ Moore and you got something else that's happening there. What do you do with all these defensive backs that you have to either sign or let walk? What's happening at lineback? There's a lot that the bears have to figure out with the roster to continue to bolster it. And oh, by the way, you don't have a left tackle.

So there's a lot to bears have to figure out with the roster, and there's already so much tied up in the D-Line room. And also, one of the questions that we had that was Bears adjacent for this, is with everybody comparing Caleb Williams to Drake May, because they're in the same rookie class. and now that Drake May made it to the Super Bowl, I asked the question, and I think we're going to do this later in our show

at about 1225 or so. But I don't think Caleb Williams would have fared as poorly as Drake May did last night. I agree. I do. And, you know, it's obviously kind of gauging it off of just what we saw late in the regular season and in the postseason because for the majority of the regular season,

Drake May was a more consistent quarterback than Caleb. The splash plays, the wild moments were advantage, Caleb, virtually the entire year. But as far as just the consistency of moving the offense and completing the chunk pass play, Drake May was better than Caleb at those things throughout the majority of the year. But that finishing kick that we saw from Caleb, not only in the fourth quarters of games, but really the month of December leading into the postseason, at one point late in the year when Marshall posed me the quest, I've had some friends like circling back on this with me even since then. It was like I think one of the last games of November,

maybe even the first game of December when I was on with you guys here in middays. And Marshall asked me the question about Caleb's accuracy and whether or not Caleb's accuracy would really make much of an improvement throughout the rest of the year. And my answer to that was probably not. You probably got to get into the offseason. I don't see a regular season formula that likely leads to Caleb becoming a more consistently accurate quarterback.

Lo and behold, it actually been when the weather got awful. That's really where Caleb's accuracy was most consistent and at its most impressive. I don't completely understand why, aside from the fact that we got to a point in the year where Caleb had full mastery of what Ben Johnson was presenting within the offensive playbook at that point, so he began playing ahead of the snap, ahead of the opposing defense, and delivered the ball with more comfort, more composure, more control and more consistency. So that comparison with Drake May and Caleb Williams in December and January.

And what we saw from this Bears offense as a whole, now if you're putting Caleb on that Patriots offense, that might be a different story. But the Bears' offense led by Caleb Williams in the Super Bowl against Seattle against that New England offense led by Drake May and Josh McDaniels calling plays, then, yeah, I'd take Caleb in the Bears' offense. I think they would have done more against Seattle. And what's great about that, Ant, is that I looked at the

weather as the restrictor plate. You had a much better answer than when I was like, oh, well, the weather's tamping him down. That's why now he's more accurate because he can't, he's got the weather, the wind, you know, putting a little on those rockets that he tends to throw. But really, when you think about it, the catchable passes, the runners balls, they were a lot more consistent examples of those when they, when it was 30 below and 40 mile an hour winds. That was honestly when Caleb looked at his most composed pass. passing the football. That was really where his game and the comfort and control he showed on his game as a quarterback in the traditional sense. He looked at his best and his most consistent in those moments.

Even the interceptions in those last couple of playoff games, you know, you're talking fourth down passes. You're talking situations where he's delivering it with anticipation, anticipating the route to break in a certain way. So, you know, those are sort of explanations that will feel to me less acceptable next season because, yeah, Turnover is a turnover, and you should be on the same page and everything else. But in this first season in Ben Johnson's offense, watching the growth, the trajectory that Caleb presented as a passer of the football, an anticipatory passer of the football, when the weather was at its worst, is really when we saw him make the biggest leaps for how consistently he just got the rock out of his hands on time, in rhythm with comfort, and just throwing a very comfy ball to catch. So I was really encouraged by that at the end of the season. And it's why it never made sense, Marshall, that you were Caleb over everything. Because, yes, Caleb got good.

It got really good by the end of the season. But the Bears as a team is why they advanced through a couple of playoff rounds. But without Caleb's play, they don't get that far. Okay, we'll revisit this down the road, as we always do it. Yes, we'll have a great time when we do it. And thanks for joining us. This has been a lot of fun this football season. Yeah, no doubt. I appreciate y'all. We'll talk to you soon.

Thanks so much, Ann. That's Anthony Heron. You can hear him with us on 670, the score often, and he's out and about in the football streets doing a lot of work. You never know a TV station. He's going to pop up on either. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, what did I do? Everybody wants him. He's a hot commodity. He knows it, too. He's like, yeah, darn right.

It was on with Luke Canellis last night. He's like, wherever the action is, that's where you can find me. Right, right. I mean, rather than speaking for him, we could have just had to answer the question. No, I think he did. He talked about the fact he went and visited Lou after the show. Yeah, he's been on a couple times. Yeah.

Coming up next year, I'm Rahimi Harris and Grody. We want to devote halftime to talking about halftime. A novel concept. But I think we should try it for once. I'm all for it. I'm pro. Super Bowl halftime thoughts next. Have you ever felt like you were living just a bee or bee or

B plus life, it's so dangerous to live that. More dangerous than a B minus or a C plus life, because when you're living a B or B plus life, you don't change it. You think it's good enough. Is it? I'm Susie Welch. I host a podcast called Becoming You. People think, okay, an A plus life is not available to me, but there is a way. We are all in the process of becoming ourselves. Listen to Becoming You wherever you get your podcasts. That it is. It is at his half time here in Rahimi Harris and Grotie. We spent our first hour talking about some of the observations and lessons that we saw after watching the Super Bowl, the superb Owl 60. And thank you to the 815 texter who agrees with me that Josh McDaniels, the assistant of the year, because he's Josh McDaniels. Did Drake make no favors?

I agree with you. In the meantime, we also talked to Anne Heron about what he observed in the Super Bowl and asked the question. ask you in our next hour, since Caleb Williams and Drake may are always compared because they were drafted at the same time, if Caleb Williams would have done a better job, and I say yes. It's halftime. So we thought we talked about the Super Bowl halftime show during halftime. A novel concept. It's a new thing. I don't know that we should ever try it again. It's a newer type of thing. But visually, it was absolutely stunning. I didn't know, I don't know,

80% of the lyrics in Bad Buddy's performance last night, but I knew enough to get by, and I thought visually it was one of the best halftime shows I'd ever seen. Music that makes you move. That's how it would classify what Bad Bunny did in that show. I enjoyed it, and I also know a bit of Spanish, so I just went with it. Actually, what I was thinking throughout it,

like, I was thinking, how does Bad Bunch? They must have rehearsed the hell out of this thing. It looked very difficult. from a just choreography stand. Oh my God. I was impressed. He knew where to be at all times because he had a lot of different. And he is an actor.

Like, I mean, he's hosted Saturday Night Live and, like, he does have those kind of ambitions. But I was sort of like the overall breadth of the talent and the performance that that was what I didn't really know about bad money. Well, and what's funny is I think the ball that he had, the football that said, you know, that promoted America being all. of us. We are all together. We are all America. This is from Benjamin Solac. Her next-gen stats, Bad Bunny traveled 124.4 yards

with the football. The most by any halftime performer and the most by any player over the NGS era. But it was from every song had a vignette and the medley of your greatest hits during a halftime show at the Super Bowl is not new. But the

concept of using the vignettes the way they did, it was clearly produced more for the TV audience than those watching at the Super Bowl. That made sense. But one of the aspects that I don't think a lot of people know is the frame for all of these performances and what you saw on TV, the way they were able to cordon off the space was with these tall grass bushes. What we didn't realize was the bushes were people.

When I saw on social media that the bushes were people and they showed like video of them walking onto the field, I was like, this is amazing because I was. like, man, that was a pretty impressive job to get all that stuff out there. Oh, well, it helps when the actual, what you think are inanimate objects are people. Well, and it's funny because there's a guy called the Reese's guy, and he lives in Philly.

I don't know if you know who it is Marshall. His name is Andrew Atheus, or Atheus. I'm just reading it off of Twitter, but he has a picture of him in the costume, and he's like pulling away the bush so he can smile at the camera. It's hilarious. And he goes,

you might be wondering how I got here. And he said he flew all the way from Philly to be grass in the Bad Bunny Halftime Show. It's a hell of a offer. You want to come to the halftime show? You want to be on the field during the Bad Bunny halftime show? Here's the bad news. We need you to be a bush.

Yeah, he said that the requirement was be between 5 foot 7 and 6 feet tall, have an athletic build, and be able to wear 50 pound costume for more than five hours. And then he said we were told not to move. because, quote, there's no wind in Puerto Rico, end quote. There were a lot of really cool vignettes, too. Like, it wasn't just the fact that, for example, to get all these sets together, you had to wonder how they were able to strike the set, take it away. So quickly we find out well, the bushes, for example, are people.

But then, you know, there were other vignettes that I thought were really neat. Just all the dancing, Lady Gaga performs. Pedro Pascal is one of the extras in one of the scenes. Cardi B is a backup dancer. Ricky Martin. Jessica Alba. Yeah, everybody speculated whether or not Ricky Martin was going to be a part of this. Ultimately, he was. There were also like cute jokes, like the kids sleeping on three chairs at the wedding. The wedding was real, by the way. The fact that the wedding was real. Because even watching it was like, oh, those are pretty good actors. And I was like, oh, that makes all the sense in the world because it seemed very genuine. Well, and then apparently that couple had invited Bad Bunny to their wedding. And he's like, I got you. Super Bowl. That's crazy.

You know, Tyler, what the heck? Like, we got to revisit this because Tyler famously invited George McCasky to his wedding. I know. Well, George could have stepped up. I know. You could at least brought me along with.

But you know what's funny about the grass people? I thought for a second when we saw, like, the real marriage going on, I was like, what if they're like the wedding party? Like, that's just like groomsmen and bridesmaids dressed up as the grass. Like, that's how they come together of like, all right, you can get married here. But your, you're, uh,

bridesmaids have to beat grass. And at the very end, he gave the Grammy to the child who was an actor that depicted him. I know there was some discussion surrounding that, too. Here's the thing. Your bridesmaids have to be. Can you imagine how that would go over? Here's the twist. With bridesmaids, you know?

Your dresses are all going to match. However, you won't be seen. Yeah. With the way I've heard bridesmaids talk about how the bride puts them in ugly dresses, I think they'd be okay with it. I've had Brise made dresses that Grass would have been

a fair compliment My friends know me well enough to know that their gift to me is usually to not have me stand in their wedding Wow No I really had more to do with the fact that like I was always living in another place Like it was hard for me to make bridesmae commitments When we worked nights weekends and live in another city See now that's different with men

I know like what women go through with and it always does seem stressed. I loved standing up in weddings because you're like part of it. Yeah. To do anything. If you're the best man, of course, that is a, there's a lot that goes into that. But if you're a groomsman, you get to be one of the stars of the show. Like, but you don't really do anything.

Looking good. It's like, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, there was a time where, like, decorating the church was sprung on me the day before. They're like, oh, great, you're here. You can decorate the church. And I'm like, I have to work. Like, nobody told me I needed to do this today.

that's crazy. So yeah, I think grass in the wedding would be a better call at times. We do what we can for our friends. But what did I, I thought it was pretty cool. One of my buddies texted me and said, did you notice that he gave J.J. Berea a shout-out, Puerto Rican basketball player. I did not notice that. Yeah, my buddy, my buddy Hector, who we asked about if whether or not Pibble was at the game in San Antonio.

And he said when he was in the telephone booth, he said something along the lines of Berea who became a champion before LeBron. I was like, amazing. Who's next year? Taylor Swift? Is it? Is it time? Has Swift done it?

She's not done it, has she? She's not famously. Swift, what about, has Cardi B done it? What about Cardi B? Cardi was in the show? Cardi was dancing is part of the show. She's in my head. So what about like Pedro Pescal?

You had, well, first of all, Ricky Martin. Who I first learned to be Enrique Martin. Yeah, Lady Gaga was fantastic. She was, always. And then you had like Jessica Alba was. the show. Yeah, that's what I was saying earlier. It was like Jessica Alba, it was, there were a ton of people were leaving out, I feel. I'm just glad they didn't. Did they put John Bon Jovi? Because there's way too much Bon Jovi throughout all of that. John Bon Jovi from New Jersey,

who's a noted Giants fan and had a Philadelphia XFL team. Why is he announcing the Patriots? So he is a Giants fan? He's, it's been said that he was a Giants fan. Okay, then what was he doing there? He also had a Philadelphia XFL team. Why, why, why did that? Why would they, and I get it, there's a certain segment of the population. I would say middle-aged women that love them some John Bon Jovi. So maybe that's what it is. He needed the Rob Loe NFL hat on. That's what he knew.

Remember that? I heard him talking about that on the pregame show, actually. But yeah, it was an incredible performance. It was visually one of the best I had seen. It reminded me of the weekends performance where he had a little bit of that, you know, the wandering through the hallway. Yeah, I thought that was a little too much. I didn't really get the weekends.

Maybe it's my bias against the weekend. His was a bit of performance art, but I was, I enjoyed it. I'm sorry if people didn't, I don't really know what to say. I don't see many people pushing back, do we? Well, not in our office. But yeah, I thought it turned out to be one of the visually most entertaining performances I had seen in a long time. So, kudos to a wonderful vignette and series of vignettes that were performed by

Bad bunny. He was one bad bunny, I tell you. Benito. Nicely done. Coming out next on Rahimi Harris and Grady, it's time for five on it, and we have a new edition question. We did a little bit of a remix for you. It involves somebody who gets everybody going.

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