Rahimi, Harris & Grote Show - BONUS | Honoring an Original: A Terry Boers Celebration of Life

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

We celebrated the life and legacy of legendary Score host Terry Boers, who passed away Friday. Boers was a Score original who joined the station when it launched in 1992, and he shaped the station's voice over the course of his iconic 25-year radio career. To remember Boers, we welcomed on many former Score hosts, producers and colleagues, including George Ofman, Matt Abbatacola, Jason Goff, Mike North, Dan Jiggetts, Mike Greenberg, Brian Hanley and Dan Bernstein.

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We lost a legend. We lost the score original. A Titan in Chicago's Sports Talk Radio. Terry Boers passed away yesterday at 75. His comedic and sports sensibilities defined this station's voice in a way that still resonates and makes it what it is today. People, very nice. You know, condolences. Sorry for your loss.

all of our losses. It's listeners, current people we work with, former people. He was the last original score member who was on the air here. Fitting, because he was the best. The most popular man in the history of this radio station. Terry Boers. I don't know if I'm

in the most likely guy. I met you in the most probably guy in my own house. I was Terry's assignment editor at the Sun Times. I always wanted to be Terry Bors. You and I, being former sports writers, Terry was in Chicago, one of the first to pay the path there. You know, you stand

on the shoulders of giants. When it comes to Boers and Bernstein, I said this before, I'll say it again. They were my inspiration's inspiration. Very pleasant. Good afternoon. We're going to make you several promises for the next four and a half dollars or thereabouts. We're going to do this. We can't keep you informed to entertain. Perhaps I have a lot of

persistent rubbing. Someone's back door. This is Ray Hill's best combination of divisive, outrageous, appellant, objectionable, and occasionally inhospitable. I'm Terry Boards. Every single day, I could wait for this show to start. Every damn day for five hours, for 17 years, no matter what time, and it's because I got to work with you. To listen to all the people who have weighed in since his

passing, and it gives you the indication of how much he meant beyond the station itself. Terry, having been at the score for 25 years, he was a part of everybody's life. Terry's always been my baseball whisperer in a sports station filled with White Sox fans over the years. You always find Terry, and he would understand me, you know. I do. He would sit me down and go, Lynn, it's going to be okay. Not today. Maybe not next year. Maybe not in five years. But it's going to be okay. And it's really been okay knowing you all these years. For all of us in the hallways where if you saw any of us having a bad day or struggling through something or dealing with the day in and day out problems that go on at a radio station, you're always the guy that'll stop us, grab us. Hey, how you doing? Put your arm around us. Walk us down the hall. Sit there. talk to us. That's what I'll remember about what you've done at this radio station. The most pleasing thing that I can leave behind is that people, they listen to the station.

I mean, there is a connectivity to this that I never would have dreamed possible, and it is, it is real, it is lasting, it's going on a long time, kids, and it'll go on for a lot damn longer now. I'm going to say goodbye to my friend. Carrie Bores was the best sports talk show host ever. an original, a Terry Boar's celebration of life, an all-day remembrance of our friend, and a day one-score legend. Here's your host, Matt Spiegel. All right, well, after that, opening montage from Chris Tanahill. Good night, everybody. Thanks so much for listening. Thanks so much for being a part of it.

God, that got me good. Hello, everyone. There's a Small box of tissues right here on the studio console. There's another one in front of the guest spots because we'll have some people in studio. I'm sure folks who are joining us on Zoom and there will be many today and they'll be on Twitch on the scores Twitch stream and the YouTube stream. We'll have tissues as well. Maybe you will too. But if you don't, don't worry about it because grieving is weird.

you know, sometimes you cry, sometimes you laugh, sometimes you don't feel the feelings you're expecting to feel, and then they hit you like a ton of bricks when you least expect it. So however you are grieving the loss of your friend, our friend, our colleague, a true giant of the Chicago broadcasting lineage, Terry Boers, however you are grieving, we invite you to grieve with us over the next seven hours. I am honored and proud and grateful and all of those things to be asked to be in this spot. I was an intern for Terry Bors and Dan McNeil in 1994. I'll get to that in a second because it's

relevant because we all got introduced to Terry at different times, right? But here we are in 26 and I'm grateful to get to be here. Grateful that Chris Tannehill is here with me and that Mitch Rosen asked me to just kind of be a part of it and be a steward for you, a steward for Terry's legacy. That's what this is. So my goodness, the shared Google Doc that we have with the lineup of everybody that's going to be on here is quite something. I, you know, I've been thinking a lot about like, God, how am I supposed to be like super heavy about this? Am I supposed to be, try to be super funny about this? And you go back and forth and you take notes and you think about what you want to do. And then I happen to look on a Facebook post.

I'm not even on Facebook anymore, but I was doing a Google search from looking around, found a Facebook post about Terry's passing. And someone shared the autograph page from where Terry had signed his book for them a few years ago. And it said, I forget who the guy was. Let's call him Mikey. You guys good with that? I don't even know who was. He said, Mikey, I invite you to kiss a sick monkey's wet ass. signed Larry Horse and Edward Dickman.

That was the autograph page. And I thought, wait a minute, what are we doing here? Am I trying to be reverential? Well, so speaking of that, right? So we all got autographed copies of Terry's book when he came in here. What did he write? So, you know, I joked about it with several people around here at the time, how incredibly impersonal it was because I'd worked with Terry for so many years up to that point.

And it said, Chris, who you craft? happened at TV. I was like, okay, that's cool. Only to find out, I was texting with Rachel Stob, a longtime employee of the score. Her autographed and her book, the exact same thing. Rachel, who you're trapped in. That's loving like that. Mine was F you, Larry Horse. F.U. Larry Horst. That is the voice of Jay Zawaski, who has not worked here in quite some time, but was asked to come in and sit next to Chris Tadale today and jumped at the chance. Jay, I love you. I'm so glad you're here. I love you too and I'm very happy to be here and when Tanny asked me the other day, hey, can I call you real quick? I thought, oh God, what's going on? Oh boy. What happened?

And I was just honored to be asked. It was not even on my radar at all. Yeah. That would be part of this in any way, shape, or form. So proud to be back here, especially on a day celebrating. And you're welcome for me paying for your parking. I'm not even going to ask Mitch to be reversed. And we'll talk about my Charlotte Knights podcast at CHGO at another time. That's really why I want to call. Oh man You know as I was looking around and poking around I also listen to stuff

And I listened to Tanny the montage you put together When Terry retired And there were two callers in there Who said stuff that resonated to me One was that A caller said Terry I love you I've never met you

But I love you And that's how so many of you felt And just know that the ones of us who were lucky enough to know him, loved him too. And one caller described Terry this way. He said, I will miss your writer's mind, your empathetic heart, and your deeply human soul. And hot damn, if that didn't just get me. Terry Boers was honest.

It's hard to be honest. In your life. Think about if you're honest in your life. Imagine doing it on the radio. He was honest. He hurt people's feelings. When you're honest, you hurt people's feelings. People get pissy, all of that.

But the truth is the truth. The truth is maddening. Truth just sounds different, by the way, Cameron Crow. But the truth oftentimes is funny as hell. And that's what you heard from Terry. Whether you knew it or accepted it or it resonated or not, you heard the truth. When I met Terry in 1994 as an intern, a 300-pound-plus long-haired. rock and rolling intern for McNeil and Boers, he was the most magnetic person in a building

full of crazy talent. He had an awe-inspiring presence and talent about him. There was an other worldliness, frankly, to his brain and its facility. And as I learned about his humble beginnings, it didn't add up to the worldliness about him. You know, and maybe you know some of the beginnings. and I'm sure you'll hear some along the way. But like, think of how much of that guy's worldliness was his own will, making it happen, learning everything he learned, ravenously, reading and becoming knowledgeable, and then just being that funny. The huge, powerful presence.

It makes sense that he became a star when you consider the personality, because his personality was there first. He didn't create a personality to make a buck or make an impression. he was just that guy. And in a business that's now defined by the personality that people create, he was just a personality that found his way to the business. Man, it was just awe-inspiring to be around his presence, whether it was on the air or off the air. And that's how he ended up on the air, which you'll hear today, is because he was that guy off the air in press boxes and hallways all throughout Chicago's sporting media facilities. so when it came time to give somebody a chance

and like, how about that guy? And he was encouraging. You heard Lawrence Holmes talk about it beautifully in that montage, and Lawrence will be on later towards the end of this show. He's on vacation, but he'll be on. People who are not working here are on.

People on vacation are going to be on. Everybody's going to be on. Trust me. Just about everybody's going to be on. But Terry was encouraging, and it meant something when he did. You know, there were two things that I think about when I remember me being

that giant long-haired weirdo intern who became a producer. I produced McNeil and Boers. One time I was wearing black jeans and I'm wearing black jeans today because I realized they were black jeans then and there was a big rip in the pants on the inner thigh but I thought they were cool.

You know, right? I just thought they were cool. You ever have pants like that? You're like, man, there's a small hole but man these pants. I look good in these pants. I'm making these work. So I kept wearing them. I'm wearing them today, my version of those. Thank you. Thank you.

I'm actually wearing your old pants. It's funny how you got those. I couldn't find any dress bids to honor Terry today, so. I kept wearing the pants, and the hole got bigger and bigger, and I didn't care. And one day, Terry said, hey, buddy, what's going on with those pants? You got a big hunk of meat hanging out of those pants. What are you doing? And McNeil lost his mind and laughed until he wheezed.

And Terry said, that's it, meat pants. That's who he is. He's meat pants. That's how I became meat pants. because I had a big flank of meat hanging out of my pants. But you know what he also told me when I was an intern? Because, like, you know, that could feel maybe to some disrespectful and disgusting. And, oh, boy, you got to live with that.

Does that mean your fat? Is that your nickname? Is people still call me meat pants every once in a while? Who cares? That's what Terry called me. It was funny. I've come to terms of that a long time ago. What he also told me at one point, he said, hey, buddy.

And he said this in front of people. He said, you're going to be a star. He said, I don't know, I don't know what it's going to be. I know you sing. I bet you're great at that. But you're pretty funny on here too, but you're going to be a star. I don't know what it is. But I see something.

I see something. He saw something in me. And he said it to me. And it mattered because he was that guy. He was that good. He was that funny and that strong and that honest and that irreverent. And I don't know if he had the, I don't know if he knew the effect that he had on people. people until the end and grateful, grateful I am, as we all should be, that eventually he knew

the effect that he had on people. But man, he was an all-inspiring talent that made me want to do what he did. And I had no belief that I could ever do it, but it didn't keep me from trying. And he was encouraging to. So look, it's going to be really, really hard at times to, uh, to, uh, to get through this for all of us, but it's going to be freaking wonderful.

Because everybody wants to say nice things about Terry. Everybody has something that has been texted to you or that you've read in the past few days that has made you laugh and you just keep thinking of it. For me, it's this. And I know I told you, Jay, I don't know if I told you. Matt Fishman, his former producer, who was my first essential boss, a producer when I was the intern,

Fishman told me that he and Terry used to go to Cubs games and Terry would walk around and talk to all the old ushers and say, hey, what was it like for Gabby Hartnett's Homer and the Glowman? What was it like? And he'd ask all the old ushers about that, right? And he would also walk around and introduce himself loudly as Tom Cher. And something about that, because he's given Cher the business as he does it, because Cher was stuffy.

You know, like George Hoffman's going to be on later. Like anybody who was seemingly professional. or stuffy was just going to get it from Boers. So him walking around going, hey, how are you? Tom Sherr, nice to meet you. How are you doing? I have not been able to stop laughing at that. Jay, I'm sure there's something.

Tanny, I'm sure there's something. People text to you that you just keep thinking about and makes a giggle. Well, you know, doing some of the production for this show last night, you know, it's one of those things like you have, you know, hours and hours of Terry archival audio, and you just, you drop a marker in at a random place when Terry's talking and you'll hear something that makes you laugh. last night I was texting with Bernstein. It was Terry calling John Howell Captain John Crackpick.

That was his nickname for him. Just Terry's names for people. And Bernstein had said, yeah, like only that is better than Rambling Red Rectum, his partner. So. Oh, God. Jay, is there anything that? I actually had texted Bernstein on Tuesday

trying to remember who Terry said made a rash decision. He said that about a person he saw with a rash. It was just some guy in an airport. Some guy in an airport. That man made a rash decision. Like he chose to have the rash? Yes. And while we're there, it's like he'll be in an airport and that's where they're bringing

out the cart to where that originates from. But it was three days before Terry Passed and I just texted Dan randomly. Who's he saying this about? Was anyone famous? He's in the ether, man. He is in the ether. Mitch Rosen has stepped in our boss, Mitch Rosen. Thank you for making this happen, carving out the time and the scores airspace today.

Speigs, Taney, Jay, our entire staff. This is going to be a special day. Terry was a special person. Terry was a score. You know, he was part of the initial lineup in 1992. I like to say part of the Mount Rushmore, the score along with many others like North and Jigots and Mac and others. but, you know, listen, the listeners are in mourning, the staff is in morning, obviously, his family. We had a production meeting today, and we talked to Carol, his wife.

We've been in touch with his sons, and we're all in mourning, but I think we celebrate the life of Terry Boris today in fun, in laughter, and crying. But, you know, we, I, everybody will remember Terry. is one of the nicest people in the hallways, one of the smartest, one of the real people in our business. 25 years at one radio station and left on his own. Who does that? Not many. Come on. You've been in this business at multiple stations, iconic places in this town.

Who gets to leave on their own? Leave on their own. No trouble. You know, his HR file was empty. You hold it, you shake it. Nothing came out. Well, that's because of the stuff you ripped up through the years. Right. Nothing came out.

And he left on his own. And Carol and I were talking about that before you guys got in the meeting. You know, he got sick, but he wasn't comfortable continuing because he wasn't confident. He could continue to do it. But he was just a great person in sales. I talked to Jeff Fritz, a longtime salesperson here in the Sales Hall of Fame at the score. And people talked about him. It's a really boring Hall of Fame.

I know, but he's a great guy. Remember when Bors and Bernstein kicked everybody out of the Scores Sales Hall of Fame. That was a great show. Go ahead, sir. After they drug tested half of them. But sales performance enhancement drugs. If they weren't on drugs, you kicked them out. Right. No, but Terry was special. And I think today what you're doing Speegs and Tanny and everybody else. But the whole staff, we have

our social media department here, half the guys weren't even born when Terry started, but the passion everybody is putting into it. And I think the great thing, too, is people that may not have listened to Terry or knew him are getting to know him through this. And I like to say Laila and I were talking about this. It's like you go to a funeral, let's say with your spouse or somebody, I've got to go to this, and you hear a rabbi or a priest to a homily or a speech, and you walk away and you go, I didn't know that person, but I know that person now because I learned.

And I think people are going to learn today who Terry Bores was and everything. And you're going to bring that through the speakers and through video and all the platforms. And that's the goal for today. And I just, it's going to be a special day. And we thank you, Matt Tanny, and Russ Matera behind the scenes. And Ryan Porth, and Jay-Z, who hasn't worked here in years. And he was sitting on the couch of my office. I go, you haven't left.

It's special. Ha. That's beautiful. Yeah, no, it's amazing because you're right. There are a lot of people out there, hopefully who will listen along the way today, who didn't know him or didn't hear him even. I'm sure there's a whole generation of score listeners who started after he was there, but you're right. And it's funny because I'm thinking about, you know, my former partner, Danny Parkins, he'll be on later today.

Always used to say, like, he loves to read obits, really well-crafted obits because you learn about somebody. And all of a sudden, it blows your mind. Some of the stuff people are going to learn about Terry, even those of us who've known him for years, will blow you away. Right. I mean, did he give you crap? What did he give you crap about? Not much. Listen, our relationship, I hate the word boss, or, you know, Layla said, you are our supervisor.

I don't know. I mean, at the end of the day, yeah, you have to make tough decisions. But we had a special relationship, you know, long before he retired, we'd go have dinner a couple times a year. He lived out in Mokina. I always bring up Mr. Bennings. You've been there. It's an old school kind of steakhouse. We talk about life.

We talk about my family. We talk about his family. And those were special times. times. I first met him 1988. My first job out of college was at WGN Radio. He was part of the sports writers on the radio. And I was this young

punk out of college and we met and then we didn't talk a lot. I was at WMVP, the competitor. I came here in 205 and we oh yeah, we reconnected and we never got into any arguments. There was not much conflict. I love that you guys went to dinners together.

I didn't realize that you guys, because you ended up bringing us into that. Yeah. Where, you know, I was only, I think, at one of them, but one of the last ones, but you used to bring us, like, annual dinners with Terry. Yeah, a different mix of people, right? It was Russ, Tanny, Lawrence, Jason Gough, Bernstein.

And the one you were at, you know, there would be laughter. Sometimes there'd be a little crying because we'd go around the table, kind of life updates, remember? And it wasn't about radio all the time. It was, you know, about kids, about life, personal stuff. And, again, talking to Carol today, I said, Carol, those dinners were special, and she said, Mitch, those dinners meant more to Terry than you'll ever know. And I won't ever know, because I won't be able to ask them. But I want to

she told you. Yeah. And I want to continue that tradition. And with Carol and the boys. Wow. And all of us. That's lovely. That's lovely. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot about going around the room and just talking about stuff. Never? Yeah. And funny, one of the pictures I saw, I think I said to Tanny, it looks like we got caught in Epcot at Animal Kingdom. The background, Tanny, remember? The most recent one, yes. The photo's up on the wall of my home, even though my face is not really visible in that picture.

Doesn't it look like we're an animal kingdom in Epcot? Yeah, and one of us is like holding our crotch. I'm not going to say who it is, but it's pretty funny. And those are special memories. Yeah, they are. It is wonderful that you put Carol on speakerphone for a moment as we were in the meeting, and she started to tear up, and that got me.

That got me good. Yeah. What advice do you have for the rest of us for this show, for Jay, for Tanny, for myself? What can we do for you? Just be you and all the great guests. I think the listeners are going to be surprised at some of the people that are going to be on throughout the day. I think they're going to be entertained. There's going to be some emotional moments.

Listen, there's nothing planned, but I think what people are going to say along the way, people are going to be emotional. It's real. I think the work that Tanny has done, it's no surprise. He's not one of the best. He is the best at what he does. This is art, what you're going to hear today by Chris Tannahill. And, again, our entire staff.

So I think sit back and put the radio on. If you're watching live, enjoy that. And this is for the listeners. This is for Terry's family. And quite frankly, this is for us, too. This is therapeutic for all of us. I put on a suit jacket today. Yeah.

You're button the top button. Well, I always do that. Top button swag for life. But this is our, we don't know if there's going to be something else that we can gather. Right. We don't know for sure about any other arrangements. This is what we get. And this is lovely.

And this is a way to do it for Terry in a way that resonates for him and for the family. Yeah. And everything we're doing today and starting when Terry passed away on Friday, I've been lockstep with the family. So everybody should know that, that what we're doing today and all the guests and the communication, I've been in touch with Terry Sons and, of course, Carol. So if anybody's saying, wait, are you doing this without the 100%? And we remain close to them throughout. All right, boss.

Thank you. Thank you, Matt. And no better person to do this but you. Well, it's kind of you. It's a crazy synergy for those of us who've been here for a long time and feel a sense of connection to the place. The man defined what this station was going to sound like, along with the other score originals. You're going to hear from a ton of people today on this seven-hour show. Honoring an original, Terry Boers' remembrance of life continues in moments here on the score.

Yes, I've got my Sammy Sosa chubby going. Two to nothing Cubs in the bottom of the fourth. And it's Sosa's home run, a towering line drive in the first inning, a contraband. Versial shop, third base umpire immediately pointed fair, and that's the only run with the game. Wait a minute, hold on to yourself. Was it a towering or wasn't a line drive? Both. I don't get some coffee and a towering line drive. You can't have it both ways. Oh, yes, you can. No, you can. Yes, you can. You can't have a matter with you. Gentlemen, it was a towering line drive.

George, you want to finish. It's either a line drive or it's a towering home. Gentlemen, I'll repeat myself. It was a towering line drive. Don't make me come out there. Come out here. Bank your little hi-dy. I didn't deserve that. I'll give him by Ryan. You ask North and Jiggets, and even Arnie Harris who is on, it was a towering line drive. We're back with more of honoring an original, a Terry Boar's celebration of life on the score.

That's the moment that it happened. George Offman, live at Wrigley Field, doing updates on the score Sports Radio 820. Ah, it was 820. it was 1160. It was 1160 and then it would power down at sundown and power back up at sunset. Go from 50,000 to 5,000. And now here we are on the old we must ask questions. WMAQ signal it is the score.

And George Offman joins us right now on the Circus Sports Illinois Hotline. Join us, George, if you will. It is wonderful to see you and have you. And George, you were the update guy. You were the paragon of professionalism. You stood for the stuffiness in the sports universe. Whether you wanted to or not, that was part of your role at the very beginning, wasn't it? It was, and do you think I was surprised that that wasn't going to be my open?

Of course, you know, that was 32 years ago in May, believe it or not, and people still, still on social media, referred to the towering line drive. So one of my calling cards, and you know, you knew that Terry was going to step in. And it was a great time back then. And you've explained and stood by. You continue to stand by the absurdity. Not today. But it's yours.

And Terry gave that to you. Whether you wanted it or not, that's part of your ID in this town. It's amazing. When did you first encounter Terry? Before the score began, surely. Oh, of course. No, I started here professionally in 1978. So Terry came here, I think it was 1982.

you know, he was on the desk and he was covering the bulls. So I got to know him then. And I think he was on radio. He's on with Chad Koppuk. I think he was doing some other radio before he even started at the score. So I knew him then. I didn't know him as the bombastic Terry Boers until we started. And, you know, I think I mentioned on social media that he would go into a schick.

And then I realized it wasn't a schick. That's Terry. That's who Terry was. He was hilarious. I heard a snippet of your open today, along with listening to what you said yesterday about Terry. I couldn't agree more. You encapsulated it beautifully. He was a brilliant.

He was brilliantly funny, but he was brilliant, period. He was a very, very smart guy. And he was great at challenging listeners. If you recall, you were around. I think you were an intern then. Yep. When the O.J. Simpson saga went through, that was a hallmark moment for me,

because Terry was at his very best. He took on all comers. The people who were supporting O.J. Simpson and screaming at him, well, he gave it right back to them. And it was like, must listen to radio every single day. Wow, that's cool. Yeah, I think I started after June of 94, which is when the car chase happened.

But I remember stuff during the trial, but it's an interesting parallel to put with all the Penn State stuff. I remember learning when we looked at the ratings, the radio ratings after the Penn State situation, that we realized that all the news people had come to the score to get the context of it. And I think that happened similarly for Penn State and for things like that because Terry and his partners at the time, Mack and then Bernstein, were so up to date, we're so well read and smart on it, and they argued with a sense of justice in those times.

Always. That was always the case with both of them. And so what I really appreciated about, Terry, as funny as he was, and believe me, he was hysterical. I'll tell you one story. I don't know if you were there, but this was at the bar called the River Shannon, which is located on Armitage in Lincoln Park,

about five houses from where I first had an apartment. And we were having some kind of event, We weren't on the air, and it was in the evening. And so, you know, Terry's standing near the door. And, of course, I'm standing near Terry because I know something's going to happen. And people are walking in, mind you. And Terry, you know, puts out his hand to shake his hand, and he would introduce himself as, hi, I'm Tom Scher.

And he kept doing that over and over again. And I'm laughing hysterically. He does it with a straight face. Finally, he turned to me and he started to laugh. He loved it. That's what Terry did. He was hysterical. on the air. And on top of that, if you recall what country was Terry from? Do you remember? He would

always say, I'm from this country. Yeah, you're quizzing me. Brazil. Brazil. That's right. I'm from Brazil, he would say. And I mean, where it came from, I don't know, because Terry was from some other planet. And so sometimes during the update, I would say, Terry, I don't know if you saw what's happening in Brazil, your home country. And he immediately would start the conversation about Brazil. It didn't matter. So that was just part of Terry's his aura. He was incredibly funny. All right. I'm keeping a list, George. I'm going to keep a list all show of like different boarsisms like that. Like I invite you all to kiss a sick

monkeys wet ass and Larry Horace and Edward Dickman. I'm from Brazil. Of course, I remember. I'm from Brazil. Now also, Judd Surratt, who is of course the play-by-play voice of the Boston Bruins, but was a producer at the score in those days, he texted me today and he's like, I love the Baron. And I forgot about the Baron. They used to, I believe it was Baron von Muffhausen. Can I say

that? That's correct. Okay. So we're going to add that one. We're going to add that one to the mix. I've got that one down. Yeah, you know, I'm glad it resonated with you about how smart he was. And from the humble beginnings, just like the small

house beginnings, the small town beginnings, it's like he must have worked his ass off to learn everything he did and become as brilliant as he was. You'd hear stories of his, he raced cars. I don't remember why he was racing cars in the pre-radio days. He wrestled women. Do you remember him talking about wrestling women, George?

No, I don't, but I'm sure. I'll have somebody later. I don't know if that was part of Terry or not. I don't realize, did he really do that? I think so. Are you confusing Terry with Andy Kaufman? Terry did wrestle. We're going to try to get to the bottom of the wrestling stuff today.

He wrestled. I think there were women, too. But anyway, yeah, no, he was wrestling. It was part of a wrestling federation of some kind. Do we need to get to the bottom of that? All right. Well, there was something else about Terry that wasn't funny, but very appreciative for me. And that is when I was covering the Cubs during the playoffs of 2003 when they won in Atlanta and then they lost in Miami.

And I don't recall if it was either one of those trips when I came back. He and Dan Bernstein, when I came into the studio, applauded me. and I will never forget that as long as I live. That was such a compliment. And they did the same thing when I was covering the White Sox in 2005 on their way to the World Series. It was a seven city tour for me. And when they won the division title in Detroit,

I was on with them for 25 minutes, and they gave me great plot. It's Terry was particularly effusive in his praise. I will always remember that. So there are many sides of Terry Bores, but the journalistic side of him came right through to me. And I just, I will never forget that. Well, that's awesome because there was that integrity and that credibility from the journalistic perspective that made, it frankly, it mitigated the absurdity of the jokes and the ridiculousness of the humor.

And that helped to balance back out with the journalism. That's what the score became and what the score still is. Isn't it, George? Absolutely. I mean, listen, those of us who were there on the ground floor didn't really know how this was going to go. You had Mike North and Jiggetts and you had Dan and Terry and you had Murph. But anyhow, that notwithstanding, and Tom Scher in the morning, those guys were, you know, the building blocks of what is the score today. And without them, I don't know where we would be.

But Terry was wonderful. You mean he lasted 25 years of the same radio station. The only sadness that I have is that he had to go through all that pain for many, many years. but it's interesting to note also that Dan Bernstein, and I watched one of his quotes, he said, you know, how do you grieve today? And he started laughing.

And that's one way to grieve. Terry Boris was that kind of guy. Damn right. That you want to think of the funny aspects of his life and how witty he was. He was tremendously witty. And so when I think of Terry, I think of pretty much funny stories.

So George, George Offman is with us. You got to watch Borrude. and Bernstein grow from its early days of awkwardness to its unbelievable peak. How did you know that that show was going to be special? You had the best seat to watch chemistry develop in the radio station's history, frankly. I know, but as it went forward, you had two very intelligent human beings that had great senses of humor and they started to connect, but they were really off the wall.

And so they just meshed perfectly. And, you know, look, who you crap and started with Dan McNeil and Terry. And eventually, you know, it went to those two until they finally said, you know, we've had enough. But, and by the way, that segment was absolutely wonderful because it involved the listeners. The listeners are the ones that made that happen until, you know, it got a little tiresome for them. But as they went along, they were, listen, they were very combative. I mean, when listeners came on that they didn't agree with or, they had some kind of opinion that they thought was off the wall.

I mean, they slapped them pretty good. You recall that. Everybody does. Of course. But I think they worked together well because they both had great senses of humor. They were both very smart, great integrity. And it worked for, gosh, knows what, 17 years? George, you the best.

Thank you so much. My pleasure as always. And by the way, I just want to say, I think Mitch Rosen said it best. Everybody is grieving today in their own right because it's not. just us. It's all the listeners who really love Terry Bores. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's George Offman, Shorty George. As a producer, the fun that I would have watching him and Mac and later him and Bernsey just pepper George with sound bites and non sequiters and drops and just make him completely unable to get through an update. That's one of the most joyful parts of my

radio life just to watch that happen. They used to do it nonverbally, George, just McNeil grabbing like all the different carts and just firing different things, whatever it was, perfect timing. All I know is I could tell you that when Terry started doing his stuff when I was on the air, I knew what was going to come. And I was laughing so hard, I could not breathe. And then when I would try to start again, Terry wouldn't stop.

And I would say, I'm here. And I would say, Terry, please stop. I want to get through this. I can't stop laughing. So, no, I'll always remember that. That's great. Thank you, George. Appreciate it.

Thank you. I should say that there are more than one person who we ask to be on this show today, who cannot be on the show today, because they're getting surgery. And I think that is a great homage to Terry in and of itself. Several people getting surgery of whatever kind, because Terry always had something. He always said, hey, buddy. He'd always tell you about whatever malady it was because he would just tell you about himself,

tell you about his life. John Shaky Centress is a brilliant man. The Word Balloon podcast is something that is ongoing, a brilliant guy when it comes to comic strips, but oh my God, what a production marvel that he is and was and was part of the awe-inspiring array of talent at the score that I was lucky to be among as an intern and a young producer, and Shaky joins us right now.

What's up, Johnny? Maddie, good to talk to you, buddy. Amen. So thanks so much for asking me to come on today. Sad but wonderful day honoring the Baron. You were funny as hell. You are funny as hell. But Boers was the funniest among us, wasn't he?

Oh, God, yeah. Absolutely. You know, I heard George say, I first encountered Boers back in the 80s, really this time of year when he used to be on the sports writers on radio with Ben Bentley and The Velvet Fog, Dave Van Dyke and Tony Janetti. And yeah, Bors was the funniest guy in the room. And I mean, honestly, just zinging Bentley.

Bentley, I don't know what you're talking about, Terry, but that's fine. You know, it was great stuff, man. No, and so it was such a thrill knowing. I had known McNeil because of my days talking boxing with him and Chad Koppik in the day. But I was really excited to be talking to Boers. because I knew how funny he was, and I couldn't wait to join him. I mean, you ended up as a producer for North, but like you were production guy, but you were also a voice guy.

Like, they realized you were funny and you could do voices and you could sing, and you became part of the Arsenal first. Is that correct? Well, yeah, I mean, I was originally hired as an associate producer and really only screening calls on weekends, but ended up working with Terry on that weekend show he would do with Brian Hanley. and you know we're cracking wise in the hallways and stuff and all of a sudden yeah well do that on the air shaky and i'm like all right absolutely man and that's kind of how it started and then before you know i was with north

and before i was production director i was the associate producer on with mcneill and bores and so yeah i was i really followed in greenberg's start of making those opens but i was a radio guy so i was into doing parodies and then doing character voices i did you know jerry rindsword we got a great team I really feel, you know, various things like that. And then Mike Tyson, of course, I did that during his prime, and when he was behind bars. You know, and I don't mean the ones in the tavern. But, yeah, you know, it was fun. I mean, and it was great because the guys were just indulged that way.

The score became a much more comedic station than I think what the owners and even Gleason, Ron Gleason, the original program director, thought it was going to be. Thankfully, they all opened the doors to us. Wow, that's awesome. All right, not Mike Tyson. I remember you're talking about Lennox Lewis. Of course. And Jerry, what else did he do?

Were there others? You remember? Well, of course, I know Jay Hood took my Ron Sato. He called him Ron Randall. But I was doing it before Jonathan was. So that was another one that I did. Yeah, well, of course, Sid Krochnick. And Sid Krochnick, we learned on Terry Borders' show.

He had a child show in the early 60s, Uncle Sticky Pants. and I was taken off the air for controversial reasons. My attorney is asking me not to go in. Did you say Greenberg was cutting opens? Mike Greenberg? Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know, when he wasn't reporting, he and Judd were the two guys on McNeil and Boris when the score started.

Wow. I don't think I realized that. Folks, Mike Greenberg's going to be on later on. Mike Greenberg's going to be on, and I'm thrilled about that. And I was just telling Jay, like, we've got to figure out all the different roles. All right, Shaky, John, you're the best. You know, I love you. I've loved creating stuff with you.

But I was always in awe when a story would break and they would process it and be absurdly funny. And then sometimes you would walk in and say, hey, play this. And I'd be like, what is this? What are you talking about? And you're like, just, just play it. And this was one of those days. The legendary sportscaster Marv Albert got busted. for having a lengthy affair apparently on the road and his mistress like filed a lawsuit and it was embarrassing.

There was like deep physical details in there and Marv was, you know, a legend of the game, of course. And these and McNeil and Boers were hilarious talking about it. And then about an hour and a half later you walked in and you hand me a cart and you said, play this. And I'm like, what is this? You said, just play it. And we played it. And this is what it was. Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away.

I can't concentrate on Tim Hard away. Oh, I believe in yesterday, sodomy. Accusations come allegedly. There's a statute hanging over me. Virginia law could indict me. Why she would prosecute for my loot, she would not say I did something wrong with my shlong on yesterday. From downtown yesterday.

I was happy doing play by play. Now I wonder what Matt Gukas will say. Oh, I believe in yesterday. Oh, God. That's what I knew that all bets were off. You could do freaking anything, and I wanted to do it forever and ever. John Suntress, everybody, let's go.

Well, you know, again, collaborating with you as we did on other novels, these songs like Surfer Luke. I remember we blew Wendy Rice's mind watching us do Beach Boys' harmony while we were singing Surfer Luke about Luke Longley and his body surfing screwing up his back. Again, that was the great thing about

all the hosts, but really McNeiland Boers had started there first, and then Jiggin's a North too. I know. They would let me do my parody. But Terry encouraged you. He saw that you were great and funny and he encouraged you, right, Johnny? 100% man, no, exactly. I mean, he gave me come on, man, I was there to screen phone calls.

That was my job. But he appreciated it. And it was like, no, you're funny. I want you on the air. That meant a lot to me, man. That was really a big step forward in breaking through in Chicago. I knew it. All right.

John Centress, you're the best. Love you, man. Thank you, man. Love you too, Maddie. Thanks a lot. And here's to Terry. All right. You got it.

Here's to Terry Boers. Joe Bartosh has walked into the studio. Joe works down the hall at WBBM. And you kind of, while they, they prepped for messing with the sports updates with George, but they perfected it with you. I think the most fun I ever had in radio. I think about those Boers and Bernstein

shows for those years that I was the update guy. And I think part of it was I would try to impress Dan and Terry, and if I could get a reaction from them, whether it's a smirk, a laugh, or a ugh, that meant a lot

to get that reaction. It was almost like, I was putting on a show for them because I have admired what they had been doing for so long. And in the update studio in the old days, top and bottom. And in between, you listen to the show and you had to listen so closely to Terry because he would slip in so many little

comments and jokes. He was a comedian on the radio. I just thought that show was more like an improv radio comedy show that had sports as the bass. And it was just a joy to be to think. I'm honored. I'm proud

to say I was on that show and work with Terry for those years. That's beautiful. You fit right in, man, because you got it, and I know you still get it. We still talk time and time again about stuff. McNeil and Boers and then Boers and Bernstein, those are the two North Stars of sports radio, aren't they? Like, that's what you want, is the honesty, the smarts, and the comedy. You want all of it. And when you think about it, Terry, between the sports writers, which people have been mentioning,

but then also heavy fuel crew and Boers and Burrne's. Three iconic shows in sports radio that had an impact that went beyond. We're very provincial here and we know our guys and that. But the impact of that show and those shows went out around the country. And I think that's part of the Terry Boers legacy is being one of the first sports writers to come over and do that, which has become a normal, now that's just everybody, you know, does it. But he was really, we've been using words like, original pioneer, and those words are appropriate and even maybe a little bit short in terms of

the impact that he's had, not only, but talk about the impact in the building, just the kind of fun we had. Oh, yeah, yeah, but the impact in the industry and in the business, and there'll be people later on that will bring on active people in the industry who will speak to this in the same way that you are. I'm really glad you're speaking to it. Like, that was, yeah, it's trite to say, well, maybe this sport. sportswriter has a personality.

He had a personality. That's one of them right there. Terry, so smart, so funny, so analytical, but he could be also so with the funniest most juvenile jokes that would just get me every time. Yeah. And some of the phrase, you know, the catch words and

some of the catchphrases that the show developed over the years, it's just, it's an unforgettable guy is what I'd say. And if I can indulge just for one minute and personal one just because I think about it all the time, especially over the last weekend. All the fun we had at the score, and we still have, I'll walk down her all the time, because there's something unique about the score.

The listeners bond with the hosts and the producers, the whole team, but there's something special about the score where I haven't been on, you know, in years where my name will get mentioned. And somebody go, oh, I heard you on the score the other day. I was like, oh, letty hurler, Bone, Lugia. There it is. There it is. Bone Lugan, one of my favorite pictures of all time. I preferred Boone Logan, but you do you.

And I always blame that on golf because I said he distracted me, but that may not actually be the truth. But, oh, of all these memories, no, but this was such a happenstance event, and I get kind of choked up thinking about it now, but it's my favorite memory of Terry Boers, who I tracked with for some, we just had something, but I was at my sons. travel league basketball game when my son was about sixth or seventh grade in Palos Hills.

And I look up and there to see his grandkid play basketball is Terry Boers. And I think it's one of the few times I ever saw him outside of the building. And we sat there for an hour during this horrible game and taught no sports. Just talked about kids and family and life. was just so proud of his kids and his grandkids. And the heart that I felt from Terry on that day, it was just, it's such a great memory for me to think about just, because people, you know, when you're a bombastic, crazy dude,

you get a certain image. And then you talk to somebody in just that odd setting in a gym in Palos, the greater Palos area is because I can never tell the different ones apart. But that people, should just understand how much of a heart Terry had and how much he loved his family and you're hearing the stories from his

co-workers. That's beautiful. Thank you, Joe Bartosh. Much love to you. Matt Batacola is next as we roll on and they'll be a former partner of his and compatriot of his to join us later in the hour as well. Jason Gough will be here. Both of them next hour

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Dan Bernstein unfiltered. Got most of the band back together as we welcome, one of the greats of all time, Terry Boers. Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy. How are you, man? How are you guys doing? How you guys doing?

Well, I thought the show belonged to all of us. I mean, you guys worked as hard as we did on it, so, I mean, I had no... I wouldn't say we worked hard, but we were there. What we did was a team. That had nothing to do with one guy or the other guy or two guys. It was all of us. The guys that worked behind were just as important to me as the guys who worked in front. And I love you to this very day because of how hard you worked.

You know, those were the greatest days of my life. The common thread that went through everything that was good during those years at the score and during the years of Boers and Burnstein, the common thread was you. And that was, you know, when the lights went on for the show to start, the good times, the culture that was built that was good in the hallways, the camaraderie between different departments, You were the common thread of all of that. You really were.

I mean, you were the heart and soul of everything that we did that was good at the score. You should have told Mitch that he paid me more. We're back with more of honoring an original, a Terry Boar's celebration of life on the score. That's what we're doing. We're going to be here until 7 o'clock. And sometimes the Zoom is going to pop up. And if you're watching on Twitch or on the score's YouTube page,

you're going to be like, oh my God, that's that person. And sometimes that person's actually going to be sitting right next to me. Mattabatacola is here. Hi, Maddie. Hey, buddy. It's really good to see you. It's good to see you, too. It's good to be here, despite the circumstance of what it is.

It's good to be here. That was nice. That was a nice little touch there to throw that in there. I appreciate that very much because that was fun. That was Terry on the podcast that you and Dan Bernstein do together unfiltered. Yes, so we do Dan Brinson Un filtered and we do a Bears podcast Forward Progress and we were fortunate enough to have Terry on as our first guest ever on the brand new podcast network and Terry was the first guy we brought through. And it was early September. I didn't expect you to play that.

That was really nice and cool. I appreciate that very much. And I've watched that now a couple times again over the last couple days as I've been going back through Terry's book again and sit in the couch. And we know when I found out Friday, that was, he consumed my whole weekend. You know, my brain was consumed by Terry. And fortunately, it was a busy dad weekend because we had eight basketball games on Saturday and Sunday combined. So, you know, in different spots and watching a lot of basketball.

So my body was physically busy. My mind was just on Terry constantly. For anybody who doesn't know, by the way, I can't imagine they don't, but I should just remind people every once in a while. Maddie, a long, long history here at the score on a ton of different shows as a host. And of course, as a producer, but most famously known as the executive producer of Boers and Bernstein, for how long? So 14 years. 14 years, the executive producer of that show.

Yeah, so I came here to the score in 2001 as an intern and then associate producer from Murph and Fred in the Mornings. You interned for me as a producer, right? I interned for you. I was an intern for Murph and Fred, and then Dan and Terry. Fishman was here as the sports director. Yeah, all of it. Dan Zandpillo was the producer. Jay Hood was the board op and producer for B&B when I was there.

A lot of those names will be on today. If they can, it's either because they're not allowed or they're getting surgery. One of the two. Are those the two options? So it's either available, not allowed or surgery. All right. Yeah. I'm glad I was allowed.

No surgery. planned. No, but I couldn't be happier to be here. I'm glad you were allowed too. Yeah, you know, and it's, again, I say it's a bittersweet thing to be here because, you know, this was home for such a long time, or at least one of the iterations of home. There was three different locations that were home. But to be here to celebrate Terry, you know, it just means that he's gone. And that really, that really sucks. But it's an opportunity for us to all be together and think about them and talk about them. I'm sure your phone's been blowing up on your weekend of Terry. like you said. Like you probably heard from people and you're texting about people. So many people. Right? So many people.

People that maybe came through the show as a guest a couple different times, guys that were, you know, former colleagues and score producers and score host is hearing from everybody and hearing from all the listeners that have reached out to us on our podcast just, you know, with Terry's stories and things that I've forgotten, you know, and hearing how Terry related to people and impacted people. on their own individual level. To hear those stories, it's awesome. And to hear, oh, I remember when Terry said this.

And it's like, oh, my God, I totally forgot, you know, Terry did that. Share one. It was something that's in your mind. Feel free, you know? There was a great email that came through to us to me and me and Bernstein. A guy said to honor Terry the other day, he took some coffee, put in a styrofoam cup, didn't drink it, would microwave it to heat it up, not drink it, reheat it, not drink it, reheat it, because that's what Terry would do.

And it was just like a little thing like that that I just forgotten about. And I'm like, my God, this guy, he would go to the microwave constantly and microwave his Dunkin' Donuts cup, not drink the coffee because it would get cold. He'd have to reheat it. And he would do that over a six, like a five-hour period a dozen times. But let me ask you about that. Because there's a couple things. It was something like that I would just like, yeah, you know, it just those little things.

Yeah. And that's what someone who wasn't around Terry personally every day, remembered about Terry. Well, Maddie, then he would just drink his Diet Coke anyway. Right. And he was drinking Diet Coke. Well, this is the thing. Tanny, this came up yesterday. It did. Two things. One, I think the guy was trying not to drink coffee, knew he shouldn't because he took better care of his body. There was a point where he used to be super heavy than he stopped eating cashews, right? And he stopped drinking coffee and stuff like that. But he still kind of liked the ritual of doing it, and it gave him an excuse to walk around and mess with people. I think that's what it came down to. Was this the opportunity to be in the hallways and see people? That's what I'm saying. Just need to have the social, because it wasn't enough to do it on a radio show. And then you'd get bored with sitting with the partner, so I've got to walk around and mess with everybody. And it wasn't Terry.

style to go up and interact with people without a purpose or a reason. It was like, oh, I was on my way to the microwave, buddy. Hey, how are you, buddy? You know, because Terry didn't like attention, which is bizarre and ironic in the industry that he was in for so long. He didn't like attention. He didn't like being the focus. He didn't like having the spotlight on him.

Yet he was so good at all of it. He was great at communicating. He was great at connecting with people. He was great at interacting with people, making them laugh and feel welcome and part of whatever he was doing. Amazing. But he just didn't like the attention of it. So that's fascinating.

He used it as the tool, as we all do in some ways. And it's part of how we ended up in the business psychologically that you're talking to me about it. He used that tool to make everybody comfortable and that's what he did. Yeah, it was on my way to the microwave, buddy. You know, and hey, buddy, you know, that was his thing. So it was like something like that. And that's what someone remembered about Terry was us making fun of Terry for always

microwaving his coffee and never drinking it. And that's what a guy remembered. And it's just, it's stuff like that that I've heard over the last, you know, several days. It's just, it's been awesome to hear. And to see in reading emails, feeling the emotion through the emails is really cool. You know, feeling emotion through people's words is awesome. And when you're, like, you're a well-published author, that's your fucking, whoop. That happens.

Sorry. Yeah, podcast. I'm used to it now. I can swear all the time. Sometimes I just swear just to swear. Yeah, go ahead. Sorry about a minute and a half. like if you're if you're an author like your

your job is make people remote feelings you know if you're sending an email about a guy you never met and I can feel how you feel about it that's really special you know that's what he did and and to you know talk about scoreheads and bringing listeners together at remotes and it really is true and really seeing that through Terry's passing is just a really special thing about

who Terry was as a person you know I'll share this with you I was talking with Bernsey about it yesterday when we were remembering Terry. Like my experience with Terry is very different and unique than everyone else's. And I say that in regards to the score. Because I've heard from a lot of people that either worked here or knew Terry that way professionally or guys that still work here grew up listening to the score or listened to the score in their adulthood before they worked here.

Okay. I never did. Like I knew the score existed, obviously. So in 1992, it comes out. I'm 19 years old. I'm knee deep in Michael Jordan and the Bulls and all that stuff. I was living and dying by Jordan. I didn't listen to sports talk radio.

And I knew the score existed. If I ever turned it on, it was in the mornings that I would hear, you know, briefly Tom Sher and Jim Memolo. You know, I remember hearing Doug Bofone and Norm Van Lear, the Bull and the Bear. But I didn't listen to monsters of the midday. I didn't listen to the heavy fuel crew. I didn't know there was a guy named Mike Murphy on after, you know, Dan McNeil and Terry Bores.

I didn't listen. So when I was at Illinois Media School and got an internship, I didn't choose the score. I got an assignment. So I'm like, oh, I'm familiar with the score. I can go do sports radio. It's fine. So I come here and not knowing anything or anyone of the history of the score.

So, you know, I meet Murph and Fred. And I'm like, I'm doing their show. And I meet Dan and Terry. Like McNeil to me was a guy on ESPN. Because he did ESPN radio sometimes on the weekends. No, but 2001 when I got here, he wasn't here. Oh, you mean Dan Bernstein and Terry? No, yeah, yeah.

So, Dan and Terry were just two guys that I'm working their radio show. There's a lot of Dan and Terry talk today. Yeah, sorry. So I didn't know, like I wasn't familiar with, you know, Terry from the heavy fuel crew. I just knew him as Dan Bernstein's partner and I'm working their radio show now. You know, that was it. Yeah.

So how did he strike you? So we started off as friends. We just became friends because I wasn't like, oh my God, that's Terry Bors. You didn't have to battle through the public image in that concept. Yeah. And I didn't, like, he wasn't on, and I don't mean this in a negative way or what, or trying to portray what other people think or feel about him, but he wasn't on this pedestal to me of a radio guy because that just wasn't my thing.

And that was like, oh, he was a writer. So I would go back through and pull out, like I've saved full Sun times to commemorate the Bulls championships and other, you know, and I'm like, oh, there's Terry. That's the guy who's a radio show I work on now. He's, oh, he was a writer. Yeah, he was. So I just, that wasn't a thing to me. So I knew Terry first, I just got to know Terry as a person.

That's how that started. It wasn't like Terry of the heavy fuel crew. Terry as a founder of the score. It was just a guy that I worked for, and we just became friends. So what did he mean to you as a person and a friend through the years? Because you and I've talked a lot. We've all been through some stuff. You've been through some stuff, man.

You know, Terry had a warmth about him. Did you feel that warmth? Oh, of course. No. So Terry, Terry eventually, that friendship grew into a family-like relationship. I mean, Terry was a father figure to me. That's what he was, you know. And when, you know, and I explain this to Bernsey the other day, you know,

there had been times throughout our 14-year working relationship that Terry was disappointed in me, like a father would be in a son. You know, and Terry sat me down a few different, like, few different times and expressed his disappointment in behavior or whatever might have might have been. And he was able to do that because we had that kind of relationship. And he was like that father figure to me. But his disappointment was always umbrellaed in in love.

And it was never umbrellaed in like judgment or anger, you know. And usually at the end of those conversations, there was a there was a handful of them. it always ended with like an outstretched hand, like here to help. Like, hey, how can I help you? What can I do to help? You know, I'm seeing this or that or this happened and, you know, let's talk about this. So we have that kind of relationship, you know. So that's where it developed.

It's beautiful that he cared enough to try and have those conversations because a lot of people won't bother to try. Well, you know, and it's interesting when Terry's talked about this and he talked about it on the final show we did on January 5th, of 2017, a toast to Terry. I listened to that the other day, too. My wife and I, Natalie and I, we sat down and listened to it. And Terry talks about the story where he and I went out one night to dinner out in Mokina area. We went out to dinner to his Mexican restaurant.

And Terry opened up to me about a friend he had in his 20s early on in his, starting off in his paper life. And, you know, they became friends. He got really close. And then that guy got sick and fought cancer and died. And it was from there that Terry was like, I'm done investing in people. I'm going to keep people at an arm's length because I'm not going to open up and get hurt again. I'm not going to do that.

And when he told me that story about that relationship, he said it was the first time he ever shared that story with anyone. But he shared it with me because we developed a closeness and he let me in. And it was the first person he led in in a long time. So that's the kind of relationship that we had. It went beyond working together for five hours a day to do. radio. You know, and after he retired and I'd love to score four months after that, we still kept in touch, obviously, and we'd see each other as we could.

He was in Florida a lot, but we'd gotten together for lunches and I would, you know, go down to the south suburbs and we'd get together at his favorite places for lunch. And, you know, we'd see each other that way. But it was a lot of texting or calls because he spent a lot more time in Florida, thank God, which was great for him. And we loved it out there. But, you know, when we would see each other, other when we could. But our relationship, it's, again, it started out as me interning and working

on his radio show and then becoming friends and then it developed a lot closer than that. I wonder if that friendship is why you were so comfortable going after the both of them so often in really wonderful ways that made for compelling radio. Like, were there times where you guys would tussle and stuff? It would be cool, right? He probably, did he ever get upset with you for those kind of times? Harry and I never really tussled, though. We never really had much conflict at all. I think if any conflict developed, it was because he was uncomfortable with the amount of conflict

that Bernstein and I had. Right. And he just, he didn't like it, but he never really even expressed it a lot. You know, he never, he never said, you two need to stop or it's too much. I think it just made him uncomfortable at times, and he just kind of put it away and let the children be the children, you know. So, yeah, we never really, we never had any conflict at all. I was, it was funny, I would always vent to Terry about, about Bernstein.

Would he vent to you about Bernstein? No, no, he never really had much to vent out about, about Dan. But you, but you would vent to him, that's good. Oh, God, yeah. We need that. Oh, yeah, he would, like, if... I never vent to Tanny about Lawrence or anybody. You shouldn't.

There'd be no reason to it. I wouldn't dare. But if, like, Bernstein would leave the studio, I would go wherever, I would walk in here and just, you know, MF him up and down for a few minutes. Right. Terry would laugh. I never vent to Tanny about Danny Parkins. never. There was nothing ever to talk about.

No, the last couple hours you happened anyway. Yeah, that rat bastard. I mean, I've been busy. I've been busy, all right? That guy, that rat bastard. I would get after him if I were you. I never vented to Jay Zawaski about McNeil. Not in the last 10 minutes. Well, you know, none of those guys ever vented about you either. So, you know, they're fine.

They were the problems. They were the problems. Maddie, everyone else is the problem. That's the beauty of being perfect. That's what we learned. Everyone else is the problem. When your name Matt, you got nothing about it. blue skies in your life. All right. So you would vent to burn to Terry about Dan. Yeah. Yeah. But it's just, so

I think it's just it hit me a lot over the weekend seeing a lot of the stories and hearing for a lot of guys how their view and their foundation of Terry, their relationship started. Yeah. It started as a listener or knowing who he was and I didn't have that.

And I'm really glad I didn't because it just, we were just two guys. Yeah. You know, and the other aspect that hit me over the weekend, lot was, so I just turned 53 a couple weeks ago. When I met Terry, he was 51. You know, so we're relatively the same age now. And, you know, obviously, you know, he was 75 when he passed a couple days back.

But it seems like that, you know, like it seemed like yesterday. You know, and that's, you know, that's a 24-year period. And it seems like yesterday, but it's also a long time. how quickly that goes. And shoot, I was 28 when I started interning here. I was old for an intern. And now that I'm 51, I look back and it's gone so fast. And so it kind of put me face to face once again with my own mortality over the weekend

as I thought about it. I'm like, Terry was just 51. And we were just doing shows together. And I was interning for him, you know. And now, you know, he deals with all these different illnesses and all the struggles they have to go through physically. And now he's gone. And it's like, all right, I'm 50.

75 could come up like that for me. It is. It's going to. God willing. There's a lot of life that's going to happen and will happen there. And, you know, my goal, man, I don't know about you. I want to make it to 100. I got to get to 100.

I got 47 more years of me. I want to see my kids grow and I want to see them have families. You know, my daughter's having her first baby in March. Come on. Come on. You know, I want to be that grandpa that goes to kids, you know, sporting events. You know, and I see, I'm at my kids' games, and I see, you know, their teammates, grandparents are there supporting them for the T-ball and then travel baseball and then travel. Now basketball and tackle football.

I want to do that for my grandkids. And you will. And I know you're an unbelievable dad for your sons in their athletic life right now. Tell people, how old are your boys? So, Hank's 13, Jackie's 11 and a half. Amazing. So Hank and Jack, 13, 11.5. Seventh grade, sixth grade.

I've coached the last four years of tackle football. Two of those four years, they run the same team. so I got the coaching together, which is always a lot of fun. I did, I've coached. Man, since Hanks was five, I've been involved in about 30 teams, like 32 teams. I mean, Bartosh told us the story of Terry getting to his grandson's basketball game and sitting there with him. It's like that's the stuff that mattered to him. He gave time to the family and focused on them.

He would love to know that you're doing that. Right. And that's the thing about Terry that stands out the most of me. I mean, exceptional writer, exceptional communicator, great. in radio, a founding father of sports talk radio. And those aren't even his best attributes and characteristics in life. I mean, him and Pete's been married over 50 years. You know, and he raised four great boys who went on to have their own great families,

you know, and doing their own things. So Terry, the best part about Terry is his human side. The person that he was, the husband that he was, the father that he was, the grandfather that he was, those are Terry's greatest attributes. That's beautiful. You know, and yet we just know him for the public personality that he was and, you know, the writer that he was and the sports talk broadcaster that he was. But we're doing this.

Yeah, I know. We're doing this so you can tell people that. That's why we're doing that. Right. But the amazing thing about Terry is his ability to blend all those together because the stories that we're hearing from people are the Cuban side of Terry, you know. It wasn't like, oh, my God, Terry had this take on the Bulls and I'll never forget it. No, it was when Terry made you laugh when you were going through a hard time.

When your life wasn't at its peak and you use the Boers and Bernstein show as your medicine to get through those dark times, those tough times, that laughter that they brought you. You know, and that's the human part of Terry, which is the greatest part of what Terry was. Of all the great things there was, it was the human side of Terry, which is why people felt so comfortable around Terry. because like I said this to Dan Terry is the guy that could take a stranger meet him at a two who needs two tavern tour sit face to face with the guy roast the guy verbally

in front of other people and that guy would walk away laughing having the best time of his life even though he just got made fun of for five minutes by a guy he doesn't know and loved every stinking second of it that's the way it was in the hallways people would line up to get abused that's what he did yes but it was because he connected with people on a human level

and he listened and he loved people and despite what he might have said about that and that was the greatest strength that Terry had. He could make anyone feel comfortable at any time. Maddie, great to see you, man. It's good to see you too. Thank for doing this. That's Matt about a cola. Thanks for having me here in the igloo. Geez, what is it? Fifty degrees in here?

I know. They're working on it. Theoretically. Is there a thermostat that turned the heat up? I mean, it's the way Zawaski wants it. I'm sweating profusely still. Yeah, I was the same. I mean, does the air from here blend into there? Because take your flannel off. It's really not cold in here at all.

Oh, it's so cold in here. My hands are frozen. Thank you, Maddie, for wearing a suit jacket like an adult. Oh, I thought we were on camera. We are. Are we on TV somewhere? Yeah, of course we are. Yeah.

But it's a meaningful day. We should dress up. We both put on cologne today. I put a clone on. I put a coat on a jacket on. I wore my nice Air Force ones. Exactly right. I used the whole bottle.

Is that the way it's supposed to go? Oh, look. Jason Gough has a jacket on too. He's coming in here next. Well, that's a handsome grown up there. I know. Look at all of us. I don't know how we got this old.

Keep it right here on the score. So if you are just joining us, the news is that our very own Jason Gawf, we used to call the station many, many years ago as young Jason from Evanston, has accepted a job with the CBS Sports Radio Station, the FM startup in Atlanta, Georgia. He was to go to Atlanta. And he is going to be the evening, full-time evening co-host for The Game. And we couldn't be more happy about it.

Couldn't have been more excited. I've heard the news and it's just extending the Boers and Bernstein tree. Oh, that tree isn't worth it. You know, the tree is actually, when you think about it, and I know we can make, we should be pretty proud of the tree. It's pretty good. Yeah, I, you know what, though. The only thing is, though, is that you two have nothing to do with the success of that tree.

Didn't say it, well, that's what I think. Seven and a half years, eight years later, I will never, ever go on a more adventurous and a more, more heart-warm than I've had with you guys. I appreciate you. I truly do. Well, you know, for sure, for sure. I say this about a few people in my life, but I think that I can safely say that you and Matt,

I love you both. Believe me, Jay, the world wants you and will love you even more. We're Bors and Bernstein. I'm going to break. You're going to break. Jerk. You have WSCR the score. We're back with more of honoring an original,

a Terry Boar's celebration of life on the score. That was amazing. Of all the moments he could go back and pick out when Jason Gough was either coming or going or coming or going. Man. That's the one he picked. The day that it was announced that you, Jason Gough, were going to Atlanta to be a full-time talk show host,

and they were so damn excited for you. Terry was a beautiful, encouraging soul. Was he not? Yeah, for sure. The next day I hosted with you. Oh, wow. Yeah, the next day I hosted. That was the last show that I did before I came back.

Yeah, yeah, yes. And I think Doug and I had a Kevin White and Amari Cooper conversation in the hallway, and I think that was one of the last times that I had a chance to, you know, hang out with Doug. Hang out with Doug Bufone. Yeah, because you were, there was a while, at that point, you were my first choice as Phil in on Mac and Spee. There we go. But you were also, Max. You were Max first choice.

Yeah, for sure. So you were all of our first choice. So this is the thing. You know, when I was a kid and I first got wind of the station, my uncle, shout out to Wayne Patton, shout out to everybody over there in the 14th District. My uncle driving around all the time, and he told me, hey, it's a sports station

starting up. He knew my, the attraction, like what radio did to me. And he knew that I always listened to, like, WLS, and Don Way and Roma in the morning, and Catherine Johns and Rush Limbaugh. And I listened to WBBM. Like, my mom, my mom, when she first

came to this country, All she did was taking news and consume news. And I got a chance to, on a half day in 92, check it out for the first time. And I was hooked because I knew I wanted to do radio when I was like 9 to 10 years old. And I just didn't know what, you know, jamming Dave Michaels on GCI and everybody dug Banks in the morning. So that attraction, that magnetism, when I heard Terry Boers, when I heard Dan McNeil, when I heard Mike North, when I heard Dan Jiggins, I said to myself, this is it. There's nothing that's going to stop me. There's nothing.

There's no no, no that I'm going to take. There's no, you know, internships are a little bit different. I don't even know if they happen these days, but there was nothing that I was not willing to do. three was it two buses two trains three times a week for free for nine months hell yeah and it was only because i heard terry boars laugh and talk the way he did and i always knew that like there's certain certain figures that speak to you and you feel like they're talking to you know terry wasn't as polished as some of the other radio voices that i had heard because he wasn't of it that was that was part of the charm he always made me feel like i could not only do this

but I could do it well because someone had joy from the outside and brought it to themselves. They brought themselves to the medium, right? And then I started calling. I remember you started calling, but what you just said about what you heard is beautiful because people didn't realize necessarily what it was. Somebody said this earlier in a montage and I clipped it. Terry had a writer's mind, an empathetic heart and a deeply human soul. For sure.

Man, do I love that? Because you heard all of that coming through. Yeah, it was funny and everything, but you heard the humanity, and it was unpolished humanity. And then young Jason from Evanston started calling. I was a producer at times punching up the button that said, Jason from Evanston is on the score. The biggest thrill I ever got was, you know, I didn't realize that hosts would be in

the control room. So anytime I called, I called and talked to guys like yourself. And one day, Terry was in the room. while I was getting put on, right? So I'm 13 years old, 12 years old. And Terry grabs the phone and starts cursing at me. Because, you know, I called a few times by that time. And he, what the hell are you doing?

Why aren't you at school? What's going on with you? You were his entertainment during the break. And man, in that moment, I was like, I'm one of the guys. I'm one of the guys. Like this thing for all these years has been a club for guys and girls who may not have been the coolest, may not have been the smartest, damn sure wasn't the most handsome or well-dressed people, right?

How dare you? Right? I mean, you know what I mean? But it was always like a family. It was always like a cool vibe and an understanding of this is where we come to get our differences out. It's okay for you to feel that way. It's okay for me to feel this way.

But this is where it was. And I didn't have that outlet anywhere else in my life. So for Terry to embrace me and take me in, I. knew that there was a good man. Then I had the chance. Like, you know, you, you hear Modisuzell is talking about playing against LeBron last night and his dad hanging up a poster of LeBron in his, in his room, and Adam and Stacey put it up on the broadcast, and you see Modis playing the Xbox. Like, I got a chance to ball with one of the greatest to ever do this coast to coast. When sports radio was simply, you know, we could throw it on the sports huddle on M-A-Q, or we could

throw on three or four hours here and there. We could do this on this radio. When sports radio became a thing. What was the score? Was like the sixth one in the country? Something like that? I didn't know and I didn't care. But there were so few out there and we had one.

You got a chance eventually to ball with a stud. With the legend. And, you know, getting the chance to not only intern, but also work with him and next to him. Terry was the first person to ever let me really feel like or make me believe that no matter what, just be yourself. If you fail doing you, then it's an honest day. If you succeed being somebody else that at some point somebody's going to catch up with the lie.

Hell will come to breakfast. Yeah, yeah. Terry, Terry was a good man. Friday when I got the call, I had already been in a tough place. and have been for a little while now with, you know, losing my mom not too long ago. And just thinking of how he interacted with my mother, you know, on these remotes and when my mom would come out and how he would interact with my sister and how he treated me and everybody that I loved like family. And he didn't have to, right? We, we're in these atmospheres with each other where sometimes you have relationships, right? And in that cut where I leave, and that's my last

show with Boris and Bernstein, he talked about the jobs are the jobs. You know, you leave a job, you go and give new bread somewhere else, you go on and get signed a new contract somewhere. You do whatever you got to do to keep the lights on or you go on to further, you know, your career. But it's always the people. And he said that in that cut. And I listened to that probably once a year. And I listened to it again. And the genuine kindness of that man, all the things that people heard was because Terry was the same. soft as a marshmallow. And Matt and I got a chance. I remember when Dan Zand Pillow told me, hey, you know, you're going to be working the Boys and Bernstein show. I was like, okay,

I don't know what the hell happened here. I thought it was like the time where they filled out the schedule and I was hosting, I was hosting overnight to like 21, 22 years old. And then Eric Beverly came on after him, like, all right, somebody got high filling out the schedule again. At some point, they're going to realize that this is not for me. And Matt and I went out. the first time I ever, you know, kicked it during the day. Matt and I went out and Terry called me that night and he said, hey man, make this thing your own. Like we've had so many producers before you. There's been a lot of people who have come to this station. He goes, make this thing your own. And I told him, you know, are you sure? He said, yeah. So the drops and the music,

like Terry, Terry understanding what this truly is. And now you got to bring your whole person to it and giving you that freedom from the get-go. Yeah. He was, I can't, it sucks for me to even, like, think of it in past tense, but he was as important to not only this station, but to this city's fabric and conversation as anybody who's done this. And this station has produced the greatest who have ever done this, right? Like, Mike North and Dan Jay. By the way, they're both coming up next hour. Just so people know North and Jigots are on this show honoring Terry next hour.

Mike North and Dan, I would race home to hear the heavy fuel crew and the monsters and to understand and be around these men. And then to work as closely as I did. I worked, you know, I produced for Dan, you know, Jigs and Buffon. I produced a couple of times for North. But to have the relationship that I got a chance and I was so blessed. to have for seven years before I went to Atlanta with Dan Bernstein, Matt about a cola, and Terry Boers. It's, it's, um, nothing was the same for me after that. The business became the business. Life becomes life. You start creating a family. You go through whatever. But that,

that moment in time for me as a, as a young man, you know, I got a chance to, on the side of a road in Bourbonnet, look, Dan and Terry in the face and say, you know, I'm going to start covering these Bulls games because I feel like I'm hitting a little bit of a glass ceiling at this place. and Derek Rose was drafted. And, you know, them looking at me, knowing that it was going to take away from the show some way somehow, you know, I was going to be doing two to six with them and then rushing over to the United Center to do games and then coming back here to do, you know, opens. But Terry was the one who was like, yo, don't worry about the other stuff. Like, go go do what you have to do. Terry, Terry is a special dude who, who touched so many lives. and I've, you know, there are very few people that you feel like you're honored to have known.

And he had, you know, he had the nerve to say it in that clip about me. If Terry is listening and I know he is, because like I mentioned, legends never die. It was an honor, an absolute honor to know that man. And he's the reason why I've never been afraid of being like vulnerable on the air because of his bravery. He's the 9-11 show. You know, I was working that day. And to see a guy who was seen and pin through everything be touched in that way and affected in that way and try to get through it. Because that's all we're doing, you know.

Like people listen to the radio and they try to get through their day. There's a lot of days where people are behind these mics and they're just trying to get through it. And for him to show himself in a way that I respect as a man. man and still do. You know, and on top of it, like, he was the cool, he was the cool dude. Like, Terry and I shared a love of, like, nice things and fast cars. And he always, he always helped me understand that it was okay to be whatever the hell it was you were. And I truly appreciate his mentorship, his leadership, his leadership, his words when I went down to Atlanta and life was hell.

Terry would hit me. Yeah. Yeah. Jason Goff is who you're listening to. I'm so glad you're here, man. It's wonderful. I'm so glad that people are getting a chance to hear how you felt about that man and all of that.

And I agree so wholeheartedly about the willingness to be yourself and his encouraging. You know what you got me thinking about, though, just to make a sports point for a second? the best organizations have strong people at the top who hire strong people and tell them to be strong and support them. And then when they get opportunities

like covering Bulls games, say absolutely. And they want that for you because it's going to make you better and that makes them better. It's like when we see these football coaches and their assistants might have opportunities and they're like, go!

We want you to go. Like he just genuinely wanted the best for you and that made you better every single day while working with them. I mean, because, you know, people don't understand that if you don't get fired in this business, then you probably haven't been around long enough or you're probably not saying anything that anybody gives a damn about. I'm still waiting for a second name on the list for him. He didn't get fired, 25 years, left on his own.

But I'm talking about the paper. You got two? I'm talking about the paper. You know, his life as a columnist. He quit that? But these are the things. Jack in a box. You know what I mean?

There's a lot of things. where Terry... They're not saying anything. Anybody gets a crap. Yeah, I mean, but this is the thing. Terry made it okay to feel however you're going to feel. Just back it up. And also, don't waver.

Don't waver. You know, if you feel some kind of way about something, be authentically you. And he was that. I mean, I remember days talking to Terry down the line when he was doing the show from home. And we'd be two hours into the show. I'm screaming into the microphone so he can hear me like, come on back, Terry. You know, he had his headphones up super loud. So he can hear him throughout the house or whatever.

And I'm listening to him, teach Ty how to curse on his knee. Like, you know, listening to his grandbabies talking into the mic. Like, you grow not only an affinity and an affection for a man and a family. And I think that's what's most, that's what stands out to me the most. as a great a broadcaster as he was, as great a writer as he was, as great a conversationalist as he was, he was an even better husband

and he was an even better father, right? I mean, he blessed the family with Boers face, obviously. You know what I mean? Shout out to the Boers face, the undeniable Boers face, right? You see a boar's walking down the street these days. You know who the hell. You know who the hell the patriarch was, right? But he, you know, he showed me

how not to run from things. He showed me, you know, I'm mostly non-confrontational. And Terry instilled a lot of things in me that he never knew that he did just by watching how he got down. You know, watching him question people who he took the task and then have him sit right there in the tent in Bourbonnet, stare you down, or in a, you know, a media room or in a press room. He was unafraid to be accountable and just, just, just, Give it right to you. And when he was wrong, he'd let you know in his own Terry way. And anybody who ever listened understood that as well.

Terry wasn't just, Terry wasn't just some sports talker. Terry, Terry is and was a phenomenal dude. And I know a lot of people who, when I was on that show, you know, caught a lot of grief, right? I mean, you're the only brother on this show. It's a lot of things that get said that's off the wall sometimes. Hey, I take my guys to task and they understood where I was coming from and I understood where they were coming from. They heard you though.

They listened to you. It's a bunch of experiences clashing and smashing into each other for four or five hours a day. You need that. And it's the best time that I've ever had doing radio, listening to radio, being a part of radio. The segments were effortless, you know. They see me and Maddie come in and know when we were locked in and they'd also see if we We spent a night out in Lyle and we're pulling up 35, 45 minutes before the show.

And they'd look at us and be like, we're going to make fun of those two all. Now, hold on. So here's what I've heard that, oh, they didn't do meetings. Bors and Bernstein didn't do meetings. They just let it fly. How much is that? How much of that is because you guys were showing up late? No, no, no.

You know what? No, it wasn't that. It wasn't. No, it was shout out. Shout out to B. Shout out to Brian. No, it wasn't that at all. You know, it's the thing that I run into now, the issues that I run.

running to now in his business is. By the way, Jason Gough does a tremendous podcast on the ringer, the full go on Spotify. Shout out to that. With the athletic. No, no, Spotify. Spotify and the ringer for the pod and the athletic show on Amazon, fire TV on Saturdays. Thank you. No, you good. It wasn't that. It was the, the responsibility that all four of is carried to, no matter what, have something. You know, I've talked to people who've been in those space jam runs with Michael back in the day, like the Juan Howard's of the world, the Grand Hills of the world. The one in L.A. before they made the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they just all show up and they knew what it was, right?

You showed up every single Monday through Friday. You knew what it was. We didn't have to have this grand hour and a half meeting where people do the show before the show. I didn't have to say, talk about this next. I look dudes in the eye and know if you don't have anything, you better be funny as hell for the next four and a half hours, right? And if my opens weren't on it, I would take it to heart. And next day, I would come up that much colder, right? If Maddie didn't want to hear these dudes talk, guess what?

Seven guests are about to be booked, right? If Matt wanted to hear these dudes talk or if Matt wanted to hold these. These are too many trade secrets here, Jay. No, but you know what? People need to understand what good can be and what you get sold as like, all right, this is the, a lot of stuff sounds the same because we all following the same formulas. It's like, all right, you get here two hours before the show and you look, your host in the eye and you say, hey, did you see the game last night? And then you all talk and do the show back there. And then nobody does what they're supposed to do on these airways.

I had the opportunity because of Terry, because of Terry, because Dan's a meticulous dude. but he was on that vibe as well. Because of Terry, we're like, no, no, no, no, we're not doing that. If you don't have what it takes, it's going to show. If you're not funny, it's going to show. Your jokes aren't going to land. Then we're going to make fun of you.

If you didn't watch the game, you know what I mean championship games? I came in here and me and Matt were like, what the hell is going on? And then by the end of the show, we'd be like, these bastards did it again. They fooled everybody. They did it again. you know why? You know, it couldn't be, it wouldn't be possible unless you had a six-foot-six, you know, boars-faced individual making weird noises. And the only man who I know could sit

with his legs crossed and both his feet touched the ground. Like the man was a Martian, right? He was a different kind of animal. And yeah, I, I truly appreciate the experience, man. And, yeah, there'll never be another like that, cat, man. Never, ever, ever. Love you, Terry. As Jason Gough, look at you guys, Chris Tannahill and Jay Zawaski over there. We're late. We got a break, but I want to say a little now. I got the heavy fuel crew coming up here, man. I mean, not the heavy fuel crew.

I'm still cutting the open. The monsters. The monsters coming up. Dude, the monsters of the midday are next. Jason, much love to you, man. I appreciate you guys having me up here and respect and continue blessings to everybody out there. And to Peach and the family, love you, always. and I'm so, so, so sorry for your loss.

So sorry for our loss. And Terry, we will love you forever, my brother. That is the truth. North and Jigots are next on the screen. I'm Dana Carvey. I'm David Spade. Flying the Wall's back for another season now on audio and video every Monday and Thursday.

So many incredible guests will be joining us. Follow and listen to Fly on the Wall everywhere you get your podcast. Too good. And I think everybody in this room knows exactly who's come up and said next to me here. He is Pappy. He was the heart and soul

the station. We started way back on Belmont Avenue because he's out of his mind. And the transitions we did with him were just something else. And I remember he said to me, I want to say you said it to me on the air, Mike North. You said, just because I've never seen Dion Thomas naked doesn't mean I don't know Illinois basketball. How are you, buddy? I'm good, man. How are you? Happy 25 years. How are you doing, everybody? It's great to be back at home. I'll tell you what, Terry, you're one of the, you were the funniest guy of, I think, our whole crew, the whole group. To be witty, quick, you said an example for me, I did borrow some of the stuff from you. Because you made me, see, when you hear other people do it first, maybe you could jack the game up a little bit.

You don't worry about the ramifications. There were at times, but it was off for the station, and I think everything worked out according to plan. Look at this, huh? Beyonce don't have a stage like this, like Terry Borge does. I am so glad you step by today, my friend. Love you, Terry. It was good to see you. Five years at the score, this guy.

How great is he? The best. Thanks, Terry. We're back with more of honoring an original, a Terry Boar's celebration of life on the score. We're a couple hours into this thing. Got a lot more hours to go. A lot of people coming up who you're going to hear from. In an hour, Mike Greenberg is going to be on the show.

Greenie, because he started at the score, and he tweeted the other day about, he said Terry was the funniest guy he's ever been around. So that's in an hour. But man, I've been so excited for this to bring on Mike North. And Dan Jigots will be here shortly as well. Unbelievable. When I got, that's Matt Spiegel, by the way. When I got to the score as an intern and then a producer,

I could not believe the awe-inspiring array of talent and powerful personalities. It was just absolutely insane. and we've talked a lot about Terry and we'll talk about Terry, but you just heard Terry Boers call Mike North the heart and soul of the station. And that is some powerful stuff. From a guy we're lionizing,

deservedly so today, Mike North, welcome in. Thank you for being here. The heart and soul of the score is what he called you. How does that feel to have a guy like Terry Boers refer to you that way, buddy? Well, considering we hardly talked the first three months, Matt, because I came from a different land.

most of the station, good to talk to you and good to be on the score again. The station was made up of a lot of journalists, a lot of great ones, a lot of great talent. Terry crossed many roads. He was a radio guy. He did some radio. He did TV on Chevrolet Sports Fire and the sports writers in the 80s. I read his columns. So I believe I said it on a show that I do, and I honored Terry last night with

that was on the bar room was, you know, the first guy I saw when we had our first meeting was him. But I was in a room, and you've got to remember this. I came from the hot dog stand, and I was in a room with the likes of Boers, McNeil. I didn't know Mike Greenberg yet, but George Offman. I mean, all established guys. And I was the guy that basically had to go out and prove himself. And I think the first couple of months, in fact, we were on for three months

and I remember we got a zero in the Nielsen ratings. I don't know if I'm even now to say that, but... Sure you are. We got a zero. Hey, Pappy, you can say whatever you want. Mike North is a score original. He's an ESPN-1000 contributor. He is part of the Barroom Network, as

he just mentioned. And yeah, you can say whatever the hell. I know the ratings were bad. I remember Chet Coppix voicemail said, enjoy working out of deathbed. You know, for McNeil, you guys always used to play but yeah go ahead yeah well i'll give you the i'll give you an example uh check topic you said that was a 10th rate hot dog standowner a george went impersonator and that uh i basically said well wait i was here before george went before anybody knew he was we all have a

chicago accent and that's when i knew that we had something maybe good going uh but when i saw terry boers in the meeting i said wow you know but then after the first three months, we got a zero in the ratings, and everybody was baffled, and Terry comes up to me, goes, you believe we got a zero in the ratings? He asked me, do I believe it?

And I said, no way. He goes, what do you mean? I'm out four nights a week. I can't buy a drink. I mean, there's people telling me they're listening in their cars all day, and so it doesn't make any sense. And then they went down to Nielsen,

Harvey Wells, I remember in a couple of the score management guys went down to Baltimore. And the Nielsen, as we found out, they messed up. They had us rated for a 24-hour station. So I never believed in the Nielsen book. Anyway, we made a ton of money. I had my dream job. I got to work with some great people, including Terry Boers, who, you know, everybody always says, you know, your show was great or that show was great.

All three shows did something. I tell Mark Chernoff from WFAN back in the day, the fan was a one-trick pony. He had Mike and the Mad Dog. You had Imus in the morning. I said, we had Tom Scher. We started with sports. We ended with sports. But nobody predicted that, and most people wanted us to die, including a lot of the newspapers,

which I held against them my whole career, because I didn't care what happened to them after they didn't care what happened to us. I always cared about the station first, and I took Umbrage to people. thinking I couldn't make it or Terry couldn't make it or McNeil couldn't make it and you guys couldn't make you guys were united in that right see that that that's the thing like I remember the very clearly the three different mindsets of three different shows but you guys had to be together in those transitions I mean like there was nothing nothing like it you and jigs would have been working all day already and then you got a deal with McNeil and Boers coming in there just

raring to go and coming at you with full energy and you had to rise up and meet Terry's energy and Terry's comedy, didn't you? Well, there's no doubt. A lot of it would be that they'd be listening to the show, and the transition would transpire with something that pissed one of them off, but not Terry too much, Danny. But Terry was in the room, and we'd go back and forth, but the thing about us was there was no hard feelings afterwards.

Yeah. The next day we'd see each other, and the next day we'd see. I mean, I worked with Terry for 16 years, and I'd see him after, after our... I'd get off the air and they'd walk into the kitchen after one of our transitions. And there were some brutal ones. That's why people loved them. It was real.

It wasn't scripted. We didn't know what they were going to talk about. We had to think in our feet. So the transitions were absolutely marvelous. They still are. I'm proud of them. A lot of stations do them now. Did you guys fight?

Did any of those scars linger or no? Inside, maybe. Inside, I think, with all of us at times. But then you just moved on. but there's no doubt there were zingers thrown at everybody. Jigs threw them, I threw him, Matt threw him. Terry, not so much.

Terry and I always had our own lanes. We never had a problem, ever, ever had a problem. But yeah, there was fights at the score. I judge Sarad and Jesse Rogers over guess, nose to nose. Gleason, you know, we fought with him. I heard you. Go ahead.

Go ahead, Pap. I heard you talking about the show meetings. Yeah. And they tried to do the show meetings, and we absolutely did not want those. We said, no, we're on the street corner. Nobody is a script when they get to the street corner or to the bar. So I got to know if your partner was always okay with that. And I want to hear Dan Jiggets talk about Terry Boys.

Jiggs is with us. Man, I got so much love for. the both you guys. It is unbelievable. As a young intern, I didn't, I needed money sometimes, I needed help sometimes. I didn't know I needed pants sometimes and a belt. Jiggs,

I still have a belt that you gave me one day. But like you both were so loving and helpful to me and to a lot of others in ways that people have talked about Terry. Like, there was a kindness and a generosity underneath Terry that

was there. You knew it, right? Jigs? I'm sure you could have felt that with Terry at the time. Oh, yeah. Terry had that gruff exterior, but underneath, you know, there was a very caring soul. And I tell you, the one thing about him was that when you just, you know, kind of had your separate conversations and whatnot, we thought about a lot of different things. We talked about a lot of different things. And I think that people will be stunned to understand the sensitivity that he had to a lot of different issues.

He will be dearly missed, man. he's he was a great you know a great compatriot in our battle to test the score wars tell me more about that sensitivity jakes because like you know like terry Terry was wise and well-read and he fought against injustice so you felt some of that oh absolutely and i mean part of time you're having conversations with people and you can understand you get a great feel for where they're coming from and uh with terry you always had that feeling that uh that he he understood the struggles that, you know, that people go through in a day and day out lives.

But he suffered no fools, too. That was the other thing about Terry was, you know, if you were a knucklehead, he was going to let you know about it. And sometimes people didn't like that very much, but that's the way it goes, as the coach would say. Yeah, Jigs, it's good to talk to you, my friend. And we had a great, great run.

I still think about it. I said the other day, I look at the picture when they brought us down to, I don't know if it was Logan Square uptown. They said, we're going to have you guys all take a picture together. And then they passed out some judge's robes. And you know, and every one of us said, you've taken 100 pictures, you know? Yeah.

Can we get out of here? But you're right. And the transitions, like I said, Dan, we used to get pissed at them and they would get pissed at us. Oh, yeah. But then afterwards, the next day we come back to work. Because I think what you brought up earlier, Matt, is Jigs and I, Dan, I think, was disrespected. I always said that with TV.

I thought he should have been given promotions. Dan had been working at banks. Dan was raising the family. Okay, I was the hot dog guy. So there were people taking shots at both of us for whatever reason you want to talk to. And maybe not given, maybe we were the reason they wanted to give us a chance.

But I always said this, Dan, no matter what, we were brothers, dysfunctional as it may seem, because we didn't want to lose. That's right. You know, it was always the kind of thing where, you know, particularly, I guess you saw it a lot when we went on remotes like, you know, be at the Super Bowl or something like that. Everybody was competitive. Everybody wanted to get the best guest and all the rest of that. But the objective was, you know, to work as a team. And I think a large part of that came from the fact that nobody gave us a chance when we first started out. And everybody kind of doubted whether or not this experiment would work. Well, here we are 37 years later. And it's still ongoing and it's still prospering. But I think that that sense of teamwork was something that really brought us all together. And goodness, those were a lot of good times. Yeah, those transitions were sometimes brutal. And sometimes I can remember to run, Gleason coming in it.

It's time to shut it down. Yeah. We're going to keep rolling on this one. Yeah. I got to. Amen. Afterwards, we got to get a kick out of it. There were a lot of days when, first, I mean, like, anybody who ever cut the open,

and I as a producer used to cut the open for McNeill and Bull. and tried to make it great. Chris Tannahill makes it better than any of us could have ever dreamed. But I love that you guys went long. You were supposed to be out at 210, and you were usually out about 221, 222. And there'd be times I wasn't finished until 17. I'm like, I know that it'll be fine. Those guys will be fine.

And I'd come running in, and one of you would say, coach. And I still want to end transition like that. We were just talking about it the other day. But like Dan Jiggetts and Mike North both here with us, we're talking about Terry Boers. Jigs, you played. You were a Harvard-educated, former Chicago bear, classy professional individual with TV pedigree. You didn't, like, you were, in a lot of ways,

you were the one that didn't belong, but like Boers was the one as a writer, like, did you guys mesh? Did you guys have some respect for each other, even though you played, and he was just an ink-stained wretch in his terms? Oh, sure. You know, it was never about, you know, or you played and you did play that kind of thing.

It was about your thoughts. And that's what, you know, I think we should always kind of zero back on. And the other thing was, too, and let us not forget in all of this, the fact that, you know, the other group that we don't often talk about were the listeners and the people that will call in and really kind of help make the shows. And I don't know, you know, again, in this day and age, whether or not that's still a, you know, a piece of the puzzle. but it was that's what made it so much fun I think for us Mike and I'm not going to speak for you but I know for me you know every now then you get you know somebody go a little off the rails but that's

okay that was part of what we did well you know it's funny is that when Matt said who between you two guys who didn't belong believe me when I walked and go how you doing everybody I was one of them that didn't belong I think we had here I could put it this way we became first of all I said this throughout my career, Dan Jiggis is the best straight man and the best information man you'll ever see. We all had our different talents, Terry, who was as funny as anybody at the station. None of us would have made it without the other shows. I mean, just think about it.

You go from Cher to the Monsters to two other great shows, then to the heavy fuel crew. We were, think about this, a 10-anchor lumberyard across the street from Home Depot, and we won. That's what we did. We took on, we were 12, 8, we were 12, 8, 10-hour station. I mean, Murph would come on for 10 minutes. Hi, everybody. Bye, everybody.

He did. He always had his roll of tapes that he'd bring with him. The bag was bursting. He said the bag was bursting, and he had, like, sometimes a 10-minute show, literally a 15-minute show. Oh, I got an hour in 10 minutes today. Yeah.

Yeah, and I just want to say it's good to see Dan again. And Dan, I talked to Dan after the draft, and I know that we still like to stick to our guns, but just for instance, I said, Dan, how did we pass up Tyler Warren? And then, you know, Tyler Warren has 77 catches, but then you get Colston Loveland now, who looks like the real deal. Okay, so I'd like to say, I hope everything works out, because this would have been one of the years, and would have been one of our happier years because there was a lot of down years. back when we were on the era. And I always say this, Dan, I don't know if you agree.

In the 90s, the Bulls were the best franchise in Chicago, and the score was the second best, and we laid a great foundation where you got all these wonderful guys who still are there from when they were producers and everything else like Lawrence Holmes. I just talked to Jason Gough. I just talk, I'm talking to Speeagues, who was outstanding. So I think that's what And let's not forget about little Jesse Rogers. Well, him and him and Judge Surat. I mean, I was going to talk about Judd. Go ahead. You bring it up because you know, Speak said, well, what's their fights in the hallway? Right? You know, with Jed, though, I would always walk into the studio after our show was over and

we had the transition and all the rest of that. And each day we'd walk in and I'd always give him a shot and he'd give me a shot. And that was our little routine. Yeah. Well, you know, it's great. The hirings that were made. To go out and get a Terry Boers. To go out and get a Dan Jiggetz. To find this goofy hot dog stand guy. Dan McNeil. But to me, the producers that we had,

I look at work ethic and I see, I mean, back in the day, you know, producers want to get on the year right away. Jesse Rogers, who's on the air now, thinking on for seven years. Yeah. And he does a great job now. I tell you, it was the kind of thing where, you know,

were so relying on those guys. You give them some numbers and whatnot, give them some ideas, but they go out and make the run and make it happen. And then I think that so often, you know, those guys got kind of forgotten about, but, you know, you're exactly right, Nick. And, boy, you know, you look at Judd and the success that he's had to, as well as Jesse.

Judd, uh, it makes me so proud to see them now, you know? I was watching the Bruins the other night. I'm watching the Boston Bruins because I'm sick, and I had a bet on the game. You had to be sick to be watching that. Yeah, yeah. Intermission.

Judd Surrat, TV. Mike, look. Here's the best part, Mike. You didn't need a microphone. You didn't need a headphone to hear them. You can hear them all the way from Boston, right? Well, let me. Yeah, the rugs a little thin, Jake.

The rugs a little thin for Judd now. Mike Greenberg. Yeah, Mike Greenberg's coming up. You're exactly right. Mm-hmm. Unbelievable. You go back to Danny and Seth and the difference those guys made Harvey. We had a great group of people, you know, leading us, if you will.

and they put together one hell of a program. Yeah, they did. Hey, guys, you know, this is amazing stuff because Terry's the first of the score originals to pass in terms of on the air, which is really sad but kind of amazing to think about and as you're talking about, and the whole mix is what we've always credited.

So I'm glad you guys are having a chance people to hear you and hear your chemistry and think about it because it was really the whole mix. But there was so many of us who had a chance to listen or maybe a chance to work there if you're lucky. But either way, we all wanted to aspire to that. But to bring it back to Terry, did you guys see him grow? You see him grow?

And the host that he became is just remarkable. Isn't it? Talk about him. Right, Jigs? Night and game. Oh, absolutely. It started. Night and day.

And, you know, and I think that what, see, when Mike said, you know, each one has brought something different to the table, I think that one of the things that Terry Broad was that, you know, that press pocket experience of being a sports writer and understanding that there's a deeper story behind, you know, what you see right on the face of something. And that, I think, it's something that sometimes maybe we don't appreciate as much as we should, but, you know, those guys spent a ton of time in locker rooms and club houses, listening to the stories, listening to the players respond, and really delving into what they're, what's really behind what they're saying.

and I think that was a large part of what he brought to the table as well, as well as the Terry Boers Hollywood stories, the true olivor stories. I used to do that to Terry all the time. You know, I really respect what Terry did because the thing I think impressed me the most about Terry is so many times now, you'll hear journalists now get talk radio jobs, and they talk like they wrote. Okay, Perry Boers did not talk.

talk like he wrote. He was a witty guy. It's hard to make people laugh, right in the column. We and Dan wrote him for the Sun Times and the Daily Herald. But then he'd make the transition. I think he is one of the guys responsible for opening it up for the Marriotties of the world, the Woody Pages, the Wilbans, the Cornheisers. Because Terry proved you can be a journalist, you know, not the degree, but you can also get in. the muck, hang on the street corner and get it done. That's beautiful guys. I think you're absolutely right.

And I love that. Jiggs is talking about the journalistic mindset and how it underpinned everything. And Pappy immediately goes, he, he, he, ye, that's it. That's it. That's the whole package right there. Yeah. We made, listen, we made fun of

each other. They talked about my accent, my clothes. You know what I said, Mike? Huh? Yeah. Well, I didn't even know. it. You know what I'm saying, Dan's got, listen, Dan's got grandkids now cute as buttons, for God's sake. The family's still doing good. But talking about the original to go, I just saw something on X. I think you guys, if you take a look, the four surviving members of MASH got

together. Alan Alder's 90. Gary Bergoff is in that age. Jamie Farr. Jamie Farr. Yeah. And And then L, oldest partner Mike Farrell. They all got together. One's 86, two or 90. I think that Terry Boers, I was told at a party.

I was at a party, a family party. And Mitch Rosen texted me. And I don't care. He was a, I don't care if you see the guy once he or not. Dan may not see a lot of his old teammates

that he played with. But when you see somebody you started with pass away who was a teammate of yours, it hit me different, man. It really did. Yeah, it's very tough, you know, but I think that, you know, looking back and knowing Terry and, you know, as much as I could, you know, throughout all those years, I think he would want us to,

number one, have a good laugh. Oh, yeah. Talk about him. Have a great cigar and sit back and a cup of coffee. And a cup of coffee and talk about the good guy. That's right. Jig, when we go afterwards, when we go afterwards into the, after our show and go into the kitchen, Julie Swiker would be there

Jesse would be there maybe Judd would run in Danny Lee is there you know just like eight nine people and then Terry would come in every 15 minutes circle for

if we would have coffee oh my guys guys so much love for the both you the listeners love hearing you I love getting a chance to see you and talk to you and it's it's wonderful

that you guys took some time out to talk about Terry. And also, you know, let us remember, too, you know, to say to his family. Yeah, Carol. How much we miss him. Yeah, Carol, the four kids and the whole family, man. God bless you, Terry.

All right. Take it easy, Jan. Be good, Mike. All right, buddy. Take it, speak. All right, we'll see you guys. As Jigots and North, unbelievable. On Terry Boers, remembering Terry Boers.

Terry had a massive collection of sports writer buddies from a million different markets and every single one of them was hilarious and thoughtful and great radio guests. And I always wanted to know them more. We'll talk to one of them next about Terry's beginnings and Terry as a radio guy. Mike Greenberg at the top of the hour. Keep it here on the score. Our friend from up north that way in Minneapolis and the Minneapolis Star Tribune and other media modalities, he is Patrick Royce. I got to ask you guys a question.

You guys do four hours? five five oh my i do three and want to stab myself in the heart with a pencil for you guys what's wrong with you guys well they how long you've been doing this you're going to 15 years up in a home drooling on each other you know we're going to be in different homes terry's homes restricted i i have to put me in a different home yeah i'm the old one he's not that old i'm the old but i will be drilling on him within another year if i last that long i'm 68 and still working. God almighty, what's wrong with us? We're back with more of honoring an original, a Terry Boar's celebration of life on the score.

So there's a collection of writers that Terry seemed to know, I think, from just being on the beat. And every time I heard one of them, I wished I had been in the hotel bars where I assume those relationships were forged. Let's find out. Patrick Royce, Minneapolis Star Tribune, radio personality in Minneapolis. And one of the greatest guests that the Boers and Bernstein show would ever have joins us right now. Patrick, hello, I'm sorry for your loss of your friend. Yes, it was sad to hear about it.

And I always kind of, I wouldn't say I patterned myself after Boers because I was older than him, but I think I kind of had the same approach was, you know, at my heart, I'm really a good guy, but I don't want the public to know it. You know, that's what I, I, I want to agitate them and have some fun. And the team, I wouldn't say the team is the enemy, but they're, you know, if you got your choice between, uh, you know, kissing up to them or going right down the middle or maybe ripping them a little bit, I'll always go for ripping them a little bit. So, And I think Moore's had a little of that in him, too. I saw the great lead somebody said out about, you know,

he'd rather get eaten by rattlesnakes than watch another Mark Trussman game. And so that would have been a great. I wish I'd had that angle. That would have been fun, you know. You know, once Mike Lynn called me up and said, you know, the general man who was really fun, by the way, but everybody hated him. But he called me up and said, what is your theory? when you cover the Vikings, and I said, my theory is when you win, I rip the other team,

and when you lose, I rip you. That's what my theory is. I'm certainly not going to praise you, Lynn, for goodness sakes. And I think Boers and the Bears probably got along the same way, too. So I don't know. But he was a wonderful crank, I thought. Oh, man, that's you. That's a wonderful crank, Colin, somebody. a wonderful crank. No wonder you guys

got along. That's amazing. We got along great. We got along great. Yes. And it's you know, but I mean I did radio I guess full time for eight, nine years maybe. And as I said, three hours a day.

I don't know how the hell you did five. It was amazing. No, in Chicago you had a little more to talk about. A little bit more maybe. But Patrick, do you remember bores in press boxes or on the beat? Like, did those bar nights I'm talking about take place where I assumed you guys laughed like at hell? Well, yeah, I did, but here's my problem.

I quit drinking an 81. So I would go to the bar, but... He didn't drink that much either, though. Really? I wouldn't stay until, you know, like the old days when they used to... I remember once at 4 a.m. in the executive house, we were upstairs drinking with Blue Moon Autumn. I mean, how many people have had that experience?

You know, that's it. You know, the alcohol did give you a lot of experiences and being in the bar, but oh, yeah, those conversations always, you know, it would have been fun to have a tape recorder back then when you get eight cranky sports writers going on. And we all thought every time a game went extra headings or, you know, overtime or there was a big delay or something, we all took it as a personal insult.

You know, that they were doing it only to us. Kind of like, you know, because now newspapers are basically dead. Our deadline, you know, our paper is now being printed in Des Moines. So you got like for the print edition, it's like five in the afternoon or something. Oh, no. Patrick, I knew the jig was up when the Sun Times was renting space in the Tribune building. You know what I mean? That's true.

That's when we knew things had changed. But like the legend goes that when they were forming the score, they wanted to find the funniest guy in the press box, and they went and asked everybody, and everybody in Chicago said, go talk to that guy. And it was bores. Does that make sense?

And it was not a constant litany either. It was just a one-liner every once in a while. Now, there were other candidates there, too. You know, Bertie in his own kind of way, I remember once Pearson and Bertie were sitting in front of me in the press box at Soldier Field, and Pearson asked Bertie what he was going to write, and Bertie said a finger bleep, and Pearson said, oh, good, I'll stay away from that. So anyway, Chicago had a great irreverent collection of writers.

You know, Holstman was a, I loved Holstman, you know, he was just, disheveled genius and but Boers was a, Boers was, you know, certainly a unique character too because he was, he was, you know, he wasn't like a constant chattering guy in the press box.

It was just, but when it came out, it was every three minutes he'd say something hilarious. I can't remember. Generally, an insult aimed at the home team. Understood. Understood. Patrick Roecy, it's wonderful to hear you. You sound great. Listeners love you and thanks for taking some time today. All right, gentlemen.

My sympathies to Chicago, you're missing a character. And anyway, we got our ice problems up here after you had yours, so we're kind of worried about that, too. Thoughts are with you in a big, big way. Genuinely speaking, thank you, Patrick. Thoughts are with them. That's for damn sure. I love that.

He called Borsa, a legendary crank. That's what Patrick. was. That's what we thought Patrick was. Texts have been coming in all along the way. Here's one. Terry Boers is the reason I like sports radio. Started listening in 2000 was hooked by cracky.

Favorite memory when B&B interviewed somebody from the Mustache Institute. And they tried to kill Terry. Do you remember that, Teddy? I'm trying to kill Terry by interviewing somebody from the Mustache Institute. Yeah, John Axford, I think, was it. You know, remember the former clothing? Who am I talking to here? Mr. Baseball.

Come on. Yeah. And he He was promoting some, you know, facial hair product or something, and he had the handma bar mustache going. Yeah, so Maddie booked him to come on. And it was like, they just asked him only about his mustache. Oh, of course they did. That's a hell of an interview right there. Textor, boy, oh, boy, if you have stock in Kleenex, you're going to make it killing today. I don't know if you realize you, the impact you have on us, regular folks, get us through bad times and walk together through the good times.

Today, we do this together. This one hurts. That's from Tony and Milwaukee. It does hurt. It is 670 the score. It's me, Spegg's hanging out with you as we honor and celebrate the life of Terry Boers. Every intern that B&B would have, they would nickname Johnny something. Johnny Carmelow joins us right now on the Circus Sports Illinois Hotline.

You might know him as Jason Benetti. Hello, Jason. Hi, Spegg. How you doing? Oh, man. It's an honor to get to sit here and just try to get people to talk about Terry Boers. What a brilliant, bizarre, funny, wonderful man. Man, it's like your favorite restaurant closing.

Like, the community just isn't going to be right. Like, and you're going to have these recipes that just go away. And it's the coolest part about it, about what Terry's legacy was, is like, we really, in this day and age, after listening to a bunch of clips the past couple days, I just went down a rabbit hole and was remembering, but his sense of justice within 10 seconds could be fervent and fiery and, like, craze that he just called somebody a dope. You know, like, and you felt it. And you felt it.

It was real. And then suddenly, like, 10 seconds later, he'd be, like, self-deprecating or by cracking his way into a break. And I just, the range that he had for, like, a, you know, a newspaper. man, right? Like, he just was such an unbelievable entertainer and could so quickly go from a very real sense of what was right and who was a dope to just laughing that's sort of like wheezing, herniated, hilarious, my knee hurts laugh. And I can, I can hear all of it in my head right now. That's amazing. And coming from you, um, It's impactful to notice that range because I, I mean, like you, I find that particular ability to have that wide range to be what it is all about.

Like, get as much of life into your communication as you possibly can. And Terry did that. I don't know where he learned some of that stuff. Like, it must have been an incredible force of will to educate himself culturally and intellectually as well, don't you think? I do. He was the most understated powerhouse you could imagine because he had opinions on everything. And I think you feel this way. Like in an era where sometimes people feel like they're forcing a take to have a take or whatever, I think Terry to the core, every time he called somebody out for being a boob or something like that, he meant it. I think he meant it morally. Like his moral compass had no off switch, and we need more of that, not less of that. Oh, 100% agree. And I think what's become evident is that while a lot of personalities in sports media are either manufactured or tailored, Terry had the personality first, and then the sports media found him, you know? Like,

that was just that guy. Yeah. I think that's right. There was a comedians in cars getting coffee where Jerry was with John Oliver, and John Oliver said, like, sometimes I just say things because I think the sounds together are funny, and I don't even mean the word. And Terry had that kind of radar. Oh, yes. I still, you know, those asides when I said the word dope early, like I still talk like Terry. I interned for one summer. I didn't show up nearly as much as I should have, and I still talk like him. Like, there are times where I'd say asides and I talk like him, but he has. had this sense of what was funny and what was interesting just tonally. I mean, I was, I was talking to Jay Zawalski about it, but there was a segment where they tried to get the,

he and Dan tried to get the really nice lady at the front desk of the NBC Tower to say something Tuesday. It's, it's a word that starts with a D and ends with a G Tuesday, because they were just talking about the idiots that called in on Tuesday, whatever it was. But she missed it. Yes. And she said, good morning. It's Gush, bag Tuesday. And I got to tell you, I can still hear both of them laughing hysterically over it. But it was a sonic experience talking to Terry because he knew how to milk the best stuff out of how he talked. And it, like, understated, not like a lively performer-y performer, but man, was he good? It was like comedy surgery.

Oh, God. It's so right. Somebody told me earlier that he nicknamed somebody Captain Crack Pick. And I don't even know that, like that, I don't even know what that means, you know? I guess I suppose it's a pick to use on your crack. Thank God. I could have used one at different times in my life. But the way that he said it and put the syllables together was funny. Like he just had that. Like he was, you know, he just had that thing without a doubt. I love that he said there are still as sides that you make. I was talking to somebody who does sports radio in Columbus, Ohio, and he said his afternoon guy will sometimes say, and be careful, on your pay pay. Like, you just talk about his papay.

And it's clearly Borzian, because he grew up here, and he's got Borzian instincts in there. It's amazing. I, like, you know, as an intern, I was, like, I was, like, cutting out newspaper clippings and whatnot. And, like, not really at all important in any way, but there was one day, I've never, I've never said this publicly, but there was one day, like, the White Sox signed Carl Everett, and they had signed Robbie Alamar, and it was like, Dan and Terry were talking about, like, these miscreans joining up with the White Sox. And I had this idea.

I had just rewatched Blazing Saddles. And you know when Headley Lamar is like, muggers and thugs and thieves and, like, he's listing all of these? And I was like, why don't you just play that clip? And they did. And I was like, almost 24 years later, I still remember on that show. I know people would probably roll their eyes like, oh, yeah, Dan and Terry had seen. No, there was.

There was. But there was haste on that show. Everything was with a purpose and with a guiding light of, is it interesting? What can we do with this today? And I swear to you, I have carried that throughout my life. And I have Terry and Dan to thank for that. Man, Jason. Bugglerus.

Buggerus Yeah, that. Yeah, VAT. But even the way I just said VAT sounds like you. Yeah, yes. Amen, it is still a part of every afternoon show that we do. And even shows who are one generation or one iteration apart still do it and they don't even know that they're doing it.

That's how inbred it has become these boarsisms, you know? And just think of what he would have said to you. if he heard you say the word inbred right there. I know, I'm in trouble. I'm in trouble. 100%. Jason Benetti, you're the best. Thank you for making time today, man.

We appreciate it. Thank you for letting me yap for a little while. I hope you all have a lot of laughs today. Yes, I think we will. And I think we have. And you helped. Think about that. Borzian sensibilities impacting Jason Benetti,

who has brought his sensibilities, to Tigers games, Fox Sports, Westwood One, and I think another big network coming soon. Listen, Boers the Young Sports Writer, before the radio days, before the score days, interacted with our next guest quite a bit. It's a Chicago sports media legend in his own right. Mike Lederman is with us here on 670 The Score. Hello, Mike. Hello, scoreheads.

Oh, it is so nice to hear my voice. I know you love that. I know, and we love that. Nobody knows who the hell I am, but I am so thrilled to be a part of this. I really, I really, really am. Thank you for thinking of you. Somebody already brought up Chevrolet Sportsfire. Sports fire on hiatus.

Yeah, on hiatus. This was the joke. I knew the joke way longer than the show existed. The joke went for 25 years. You would have you on or Brian Hewitt or somebody, and they would talk about how sports fire is on hiatus. What was sports fire? What was sports fires? This is what I'm talking about. We used to call it sports writers with a pulse.

You know, they had that big show with Ben Bentley and Rick Tandler and Billy Jouse, and they made cookies and stuff. So we put together probably the cheapest set in the history of television, and it was, we were on every week, and we were the young guns. Chevrolet Sports Fire brought to you by Guess Who, and Terry was not, it was me, Brian Hewitt, and then there was a guy there whose name I forget, but whose initials are Jay Marriotti. He was on there at the beginning. And then he left to do whatever the hell he was going to do. And then it was me, Hewitt, and who do we want? Well, we want Terry.

So it was Terry, myself, Brian, and a mystery guest. Usually Brian Hanley, Lester Munson, Greenie sometimes. and we would sit around and discuss, I mean, it was a really novel concept, four guys talking sports for half an hour on television in front of a set that was filled like with orange, some kind of background that melded with our faces, and it was, it was a lot of fun. We had a great time. And it was, and I do remember watching, and Terry loved it.

Did you, Mike Leederman, see the talent and genius in Terry Boers that would lead to the career that he had? Well, I had known it well before. I mean, Terry and I started about the same time in different media. Terry came. I remember he was doing a column. First time I'd ever really come across Terry Boers. It was a column on wrestling. And there was a picture of Terry, not a headshot, but it was a body shot with him shirtless. And I swear to God, he had more hair than a camel. And he was talking about pro wrestling and the whole thing. And I'm saying, I love this guy. I love this guy.

So, you know, so we got to know each other a little bit on the beat. And he would tell stories about, you know, working at the Sun Times. And when I talk about who he remembers, he took on the same, being on the same floor as Irv Cupsonet. If you don't know who a cup was, Google it. Yes. But Cupp, the legendary columnist. The cup was a little bit bizarre. One day, Terry is in the urinal doing what he does, and there's Cup looking over the side,

and he said, hmm, not bad. Now, I don't know where you go after that. Well, I guess you just put that up on the wall. That's one to be, Irv Cupson it was impressed by me. I guess so, but, you know, I mean, Terry. I mean, it was always so much fun because these guys were the guys who were really deep into sports. By then, I was in, like, my fourth career, and I was happy to be able to do the time and temperature for sports fire. But Terry and Brian and Brian and Greeney and Lester Munson, it was just a lot of fun.

It was just a hoot. Terry drove the show. And he didn't suffer fools. He just did not. I mean, he was loyal to his friends like crazy. but boy if you you pissed him off or if you were on the wrong side of history he just was so far up your butt that you couldn't you know that you couldn't swallow Terry Terry as a man Mike I wanted to let you talk about your affection for him as a man

because I know you have it as he would say as only one man can love another man Terry was was a prince I mean I would bring him into these events that we would would do. We'd do a March of Dimes thing with all the athletes, and we'd have media stars introduce them. And they would be like the anchors in Allison Rosetti and this one and that one. And I bring Terry in, and nobody knew who he was, you know, as a presenter. But he just warned the audience. He was just so sweet, so lovely. And before I forget, condolences to Carol and the boys, who were also, you know, terrific people. But Terry was the kind of guy who, Here's an example.

I'm out in L.A. with my daughter, and a bunch of us decided we're going to get together for lunch in L.A. And somehow, Terry was in town, Ron Rappaport, Ned Colletti, Mike Downey, John Shulian, and we're all sitting around this table. And, I mean, it was like sports fire. I was just there to listen. And, you know, the way these guys would tell stories and the way Terry would own the room and laugh and just, and Mike Downey, God bless. I'm, you know, a blessed memory. Mike, we lost him a year or so ago, too. These two guys from Northern Illinois were two of the funniest and most astute and most real people you'd ever want to meet in your life.

Mike Lederman, thank you, man. Much respect and love for you from this entire sports town. Thanks for making time. Appreciate you. Thank you. And please give my best to everybody. And it's great to be great to be with, he speaks. All right.

Thanks. It's Mike Lederman right there. What a crazy and wonderful odd day. This is. Coming up one hour from now at 4 o'clock, Mike Mulligan, our morning man, who covered the Bulls with Terry for the Sun-Times and part of the newspaper to radio crossover guys in the score's early days. He will join us. But coming up next, it is Mike Greenberg. And in between Mike Greenberg and Mike Mulligan will be Brian Hanley. What a day. And much, much more to come. Don't go anywhere. It's the score. The score. Hey, y'all, I'm Maddie. And I'm Poodle. And together, we host the podcast, Reality Gays. We are two ridiculous homosexuals who love nothing more than talking about reality television and tearing in a new one. So whether it's 90-day fiancé, love is blind, love after lockup, or any other trash TV show about lonely hearts looking for love.

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Right here on the score. Broadcasting live from the Hyundai Studios, presented by your local Hyundai dealers. WSCR Chicago, WBMH Chicago, WBMX-HD2 Chicago, in Odyssey Sports Station. Terry Boers passed away yesterday at 75. Before he retired, 2017, he was making noises. Terry always made noises. Ooh, ha, ha. I go take tons of nectar.

He get in the air and didn't remember. Oh, what? What? You're, you're, you're, D. D. D. Pony Park,

D. D. D. And the, Nia, D. Also, it's like, B.

D. They think, I think it's like four. Dumbass. Dumbass. D-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-hhhhhh. The cardinals. Ah, good-hah!

Mbh-bh-l-h-h-h-h-h-l-h-h. Let me take my pants off. What? What? Rock for Joe. Oh, please let's go my balls. Okay.

I and don't. I and don't. Oh, oh, ho. Oh. Oh. All right. We're done now. I can go home.

We're back with more of our. honoring an original, a Terry Boar's celebration of life on the score. Most remarkable part of that, unedited. Unedited. That was one segment, one day. No, it wasn't. Tanny, how many hours and shows did you have to go through for that? Unbelievable.

You'd get about one a day, so you just filed it away for a day like today. Maddie said it was very good, very disrespectful, but very good. I don't know how that's disrespectful. that dominated the ratings for years and years and years. Oh, man, this is an amazing thing to get to be a part of as we honor Terry Boers honoring an original. A Terry Boar's celebration of life is what is underway and proud and pleased to bring in our morning man, the big dog,

as we call him around these parts. Mike Mulligan, who covered the Bulls with Terry for the Sun-Times, part of the newspaper to radio crossover guys in the score's early days. But my goodness, now obviously our morning man. Mully, what's up, man? Thanks for doing this. Speeks, you guys are doing a fantastic job. Tanny, I don't know how a human can follow those noises.

That was fall down hilarious. Just listening to that. Absolutely fantastic. Great stuff. Did he make noises like that in the press box? in the newsroom? He did. I think that was just something he did. I don't think that was an act for radio. That was just Terry. He would say different things. He would make those. Terry was such a good newspaper guy. I mean, that's one of the things that I was hoping to talk about because I don't think we get enough of that.

He was excellent. I remember I started working at the Sun times when I was a freshman in college. So I remember Terry when he first became a beat writer on the Bulls. It was like in the early 80s. And he was fantastic at it. He really was an excellent beat guy, newspaper guy, became a columnist. And then obviously, as you say, he went to radio. So he kind of forged this path that, you know, obviously Brian Hanley, took, that I took, that David Hawth has taken.

It's just kind of extraordinary to, you feel very fortunate to have had a place to go when the newspapers were really running into trouble. Mully, when he would talk about newspaper life before, like, especially before Jordan, like covering the bulls before Jordan, the stuff, the weird beginnings carried a mythology about it for us as listeners. And like the Bulls used to practice at Angel Guardian orphanage. Like I mean, he would tell these stories. Jim.

Tell us. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they did. They were, it was on Devon Avenue. And I was in college at the time. Believe it or not, I played soccer in college. And we played our first year at Angel Guardian.

So you would be out there, like warming up with getting ready for practice. and you see a sports car pull in, and artist Gilmore would literally get out of the back seat. He removed the front seat. And this guy would like unfold himself and go into practice. It was one of the weirdest things I've ever seen in my life. It seemed like the laws of physics didn't work. And Terry would go there to cover the team.

That's how they covered the bulls in those days such a long time ago. Yeah. But I remember, you know, Terry was a really extraordinary guy and a great beat guy, as they said, a great writer. When I first got a professional beat, when I first was given a beat, you know, it's the newspaper guys. We never saw each other. We were all kind of satellite. She would work out of the office. He would be at Angel Guardian.

And I'd be up at the Burdo Center by the time I was covering them up in Deerfield. And you would like be away from the office. You'd be covering games. You'd be calling in. You didn't really interact. But you got to know, you knew all the big names. And, you know, I was like a young guy starting out. And I remember having a conversation with Terry where everybody was standing around.

They were basically just telling me that, oh, great, you got the bulls. You know, people are going to lie to you. And they talked about one guy in particular who was going to tell you lies and say all this stuff here. And I was just kind of, I think I must have looked a little shell-shocked. And Terry came up to me, like everybody kind of dissipated. Like everybody's giving you a hard time. You know, it's just part of the game. And Terry comes up to me and he said, he said, you know, all those people, they don't know anybody.

They've never met this guy. They're going on reputation. Whatever you do, you give people a chance. and you make sure that you take them as you find them. And if a guy lies to you, you've got to confront them about it and here's how you do. Like, he just took me aside and kind of explained a really crucial part to me of doing that job, which is taking people as you find them, not having, you know, preordained feelings towards someone until they give you a reason to feel that way.

And I also really learned that you have to take that on head first. You can't let it go. You can't pretend something. You go and you confront the person to talk. I did basically the advice he gave me, which I have used in many parts of my life, quite frankly. And I thought it was great advice. I have used it with young writers when I would go speak at classes and stuff when I was still in the newspaper stuff.

I just think it's great advice. It really is. And there's a beautiful humanity to it, which is, you know, build your own relationships and learn to trust yourself and give people a chance. That's amazing because you're making me realize, like, Terry always used to say,

well, I got a guy in that organization. I got somebody. And it became a joke eventually. And when Bernsey's here, you know, we can talk about it because, you know, eventually it seemed like, are these guys just inventing the fact that they have guys? Are they just pretending that they have guys? But the truth is, because of the relationship building that you're talking about,

Terry did have guys in organizations, didn't it? And, you know, again, he was a beat writer who then became a columnist, so he was covering all these sports. And, you know, you seek out guys. We all want to have a guy. But people will seek you out. And you will be surprised at some of the people that you will meet along. the way. And I think what Terry said was so true to me because there were guys that other people

didn't have a relationship or didn't really like. For whatever reason, you hit it off with them. You know, you end up having some kind of shared moment with a guy and you become friends with them and it's like a very unlikely source, let's say. Yeah. And that's a wonderful thing to have as you're a beat guy. Mully, as a radio colleague, I'm sure you can relate. He just made. He just made a very unlikely. He just made this thing look easy some days. Pists me off really sometimes. Right? Like he just, it seemed like he could just roll out of bed and be

terrific. It's not that easy, but he made it sound easy, didn't he? You know, it's extraordinary, Matt. Like, when I first met you, you were a producer. And when I first met Lawrence, he was a producer. When I first met so many people, they started out. Like, that's

how you went through the game. And it was the same thing in the newspaper business where you would start out. You know, I worked preps. I started answering phones on the prep desk working for Taylor Bell and then eventually you get a job and you're moving into other beats and moving up in the world. But when I would be in, when you were producing and I would work with Dan, I worked with Terry a few times, just filling in. The vibe, like the feel good, like the producers loved him. Everybody, you know, Matt Batticola, yourself, Jason Goff.

It was like there was always like a really good crew and a real kind of brotherhood to the thing that when you got a chance to peek behind the screen a little bit, it stood out the vibe of the show. You know what I mean? It was always like a very feel good type of thing. I forget, man. What were we doing where you played that James Brown funky people? Yeah, man.

I was producing you one afternoon and the signal went out. And we had like 30 minutes just sitting around waiting, so I just played some music just to pass the time. And we bonded over it. Oh, I bought all those albums. Yeah, it was awesome. That was great stuff. But you're right. He bred that kind of atmosphere because he was so humane with the relationships in the same way that you're talking about.

Mike Mulligan, wonderful to talk to you. Thanks for doing this. Appreciate you. Thank you, Matt. Great stuff. You're doing a wonderful job. This is a real tribute to him. I'm glad.

That's what it's about. That's Molly right there. Chad Feldman, our sales boss, has entered the fray and entered the studio. Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy. You see you. Got to hit a button to turn your microphone on. We'll take care of that.

You're not a radio guy. He didn't tell me. Is it working now? Yeah, you're good. All right. Your money. Hi, buddy. Thank you.

Yeah, I'm not a radio guy. I just have to say, echo what Molly just said. The job that you're doing today, it's incredible. And it's been so special to me. I've been here almost 20 years. And it's so special to see Maddie. Jason, Adam Hogue. It's been like a memory lane and Terry would love this.

And he's smiling on everybody on this. And, you know, I've had the pleasure working with a lot of different people in this business and sports. And from a sales perspective and a person perspective. And, you know, the one thing I'll say about Terry beyond the sales stuff, and I'll get to that in a second, Terry would walk the pit as a host and he would walk around. The pit is where all the salespeople are in the cubicles. Correct. Yeah.

And, you know, Rod Zimmerman, who, by the way, also had a great relationship with Terry. Rodzilla had a great, I know. You know, and was one of his champions. Rod would call the score salespeople a collection of misfit toys or the island of misfit toys. And Terry loved that. He would walk around and visit with all the toys. And it was really fun seeing it.

He was so good to every salesperson, whether you were there for 20 plus years, like Jeff Fritz, legend of score sales. Or you were a newcomer who had only been there for six months. He would treat everybody with such grace. And that wasn't just salespeople. That was sales assistants. And I think the coolest thing that I observed out on remotes, because who needs to? I'll get to that incredible. thing that we did. Terry would go out of his way with marketing and promotions. He would go up to

all of the marketing people, Jackie Spencer, Ashley Fields, Lisa Gervasio, all these wonderful marketing people we had and all of the various support staff that they would bring to these remotes. And he would be so gracious, he would buy them food, he would buy them drinks, he would spend time talking with them and learning about them. And that is so incredible. And that is a culture that he set that you follow and everybody else follows today. And he led that culture of treating not just, you know, the programming brotherhood like a brotherhood, but the whole score family like a brotherhood. And he was the lynchman.

He was the champion of that. That's lovely. You mentioned the Who Needs Two Tavern tour. That was, I mean, I wish we still did that. We're available. Fridays on the road, every Friday for a long. time. 10 plus years, 40 remotes, and he was at, I would say, almost all of them, if not all of them.

He was at more of them than I was. He was at more than Jeff Fritz, who was the commissioned salesperson. Yeah. He was incredible. And, you know, he was out there doing that, and he loved it. He loved being amongst the people. Go ahead. Go ahead, Judge.

Oh, sorry. I forgot. I used a radio button. That's my mistake. The other thing I would just. have a sales button over here? The other thing is he done yet? I'm almost,

one more thing I will just say is one of the best things that Terry and Dan did for years were the David Hockberg reads. And he, this is the thing that he did for clients. He made their, he made them feel special. He made their, uh,

uh, partnerships with the station and specifically his shows special. And he did so much for them. And the loyalty that they showed. like David did all those years like Anheuser-Busch did with Who Needs 2. That's because of Terry. And there's just

one of a kind and he's on the Mount Everest of Legends of Sports Radio. Thank you, Chad. Thanks for having me. All right, of course. It's good to see you. I think you meant Mount Rushmore, but I totally know what you mean. Oh, I did. Mount Rushmore. He's on...

Not so easy, huh? That's great. Turn off his mic. You know. But could we go and do his job? Yes, yes, we could. As a matter of fact, we sure could. Let's go to the phone lines now and welcome another one of my interns.

Unbelievable. But this guy has gone on to do amazing, amazing and wonderful things. And a man who produced Boers and Bernstein, among many other roles in the radio business. Our guy, Dan Zam Pillow, is here. And Dan Zampillow is on the Circus Sports Illinois Hotline. up, Dan? Am I on your Mount Everest of interns? You are. I love to be there.

You are. Truthfully, I had three in a row of one point. It was you, Jeff Dickerson, and Mattabatacola. That's pretty good. That's a good list. I'm definitely three on that list, for sure. That's a good list. Tell people about your time with Terry Boers, please.

Oh, I mean, Terry is literally the reason why I got in the radio. Like, him and I were from the same town, Mochina and when I filled out an application to be an intern at the score, I didn't tell Terry this that I was doing that. And somebody saw I was from Mochina and they went to Terry and they're like, Terry, do you know this kid? He's intern. He wants to be an intern. He's like, yeah, put him on my show. And then that was it. I mean, that's how I literally got the internship. So he really got me into

the business. I don't know if I would have gotten an internship without him. And so that's kind of what started our relationship. And obviously I knew him growing up and just knew what kind of guy he was. But then to get to work with him was just so amazing. I mean, I think that he made it okay to be weird. And that's what I loved about Terry. Like he just was the weirdest. And it was so great.

It's so funny. But, you know, most of these sports radio guys, and you know this, Steve. It's like really angry. white guys yelling into a microphone. And that was not Terry. And it never was from the very beginning. You can look at guys on F-A-N and all due respect.

They're WIP in Philly. But Terry was so unique because he wasn't that guy. He was something so different. And that is to me what really, and still to this day stands apart. I use him as an example when I work with other talent as far as being a dynamic personality. be funny, be smart, be weird, be keep people off balance. Like, you know, you never knew what Terry was going to say or do. No matter how much you tried to produce the show,

sometimes the show would just go in a completely opposite direction. And that was the beauty of it. Well, we had Jason Benetti on earlier who spoke to the sensibilities that Terry brought and how it influenced him and a whole generation of content creators. You tell people, you're a radio executive, Dan, So tell people about that and how you use Terry. That's fascinating. Yeah, I mean, I use Terry as that example of like you cannot be a one-trick pony, right?

Like a lot of guys come into it and they're like, I'm going to be this way. And, you know, whatever that might be. Maybe I'm an angry guy. I'm super opinionated. And that's fine. But you can't just be that to be successful. And I would use Terry as that example. I'm like, you know, Terry could have very strong opinions.

about people, of course. And, but he could also make you laugh and bring up something that was so outrageous and ridiculous and, again, weird at that it just kind of like, as you're driving in your car, you never knew how you're going to feel with Terry, right? You're going to laugh, but sometimes you're going to feel excited. Sometimes you may not agree with what he's saying, but he kind of always had your emotions kind of in a bunch. And I love that about him.

And as a producer, it was great because he allowed you the opportunity to kind of pounce on that, right? When he would go a certain direction and you're like, uh-oh, we got to follow Terry down this rabbit hole. Let's all go, right? Everybody goes with him, right? We define sound bites. We need to do all these different things that, like, accentuated what Terry was. And I use that for producers, right? I'm like, here's a guy who you never know what was coming, so you better be ready to react.

and, you know, that's how you get all these funny opens, you know, the things like Tannahill does and stuff like a badacola has done in the past that made it so hilarious. Dan Zam Pillow, a pleasure. Nice to hear you. Thanks for being a part of this. Speaks. Thanks so much for me for let me be a part of it. And I just, one more thing I just want to say, my condolences to the family, his wife, the kids, especially Joe, who I've known for a long time, really thinking about them. Thanks, Dan. It's Dan Zamp Pillow. Thank you, Matt.

You got it. We move to Rick Camp. Campi, co-host of the I'm Fat podcast and an on-site producer for many who needs to Tavern Tour. Hello, Campi. Hey, Speaks. How are you? I'm good, man. Tell us about Terry Boers in your life.

Terry was a blast and made me look forward to all those Fridays of having to drive to God knows where and just figure out what was going to happen on a given day, whether the wife. if I was going to be stable or not and how that affected certain other people, damn that were going to be on the show that day. You know, it was just like a few of those that stick out to me because I was there for probably like two to three years, basically, of almost straight of all those Fridays. When for some reason we went to Kankakee Key,

and there was a group of like four to six women that sat at a table that ended up being right in front of where we were broadcasting from, they hear the show start they hear terry do his intro and they immediately get up and leave with waters still at their table and just had zero interest and making that a bit for a segment or two was like just awesome that type of thing just never knowing what's going to happen and knowing that that terry and dan are going to have great uh they're going to have great reactions to it and it's going to be something fun like with that or even some of the stuff that never makes it on the air. I think we were broadcasting from a hairy carries when there was a fire drill at the furry convention.

And I think we didn't really get the clearance necessarily to do everything they wanted to on the air. Wait, you said furry. Do I do one for that? Off the year had some unreal moments about that. Campy, you're the best. Thank you, man. And I will forever remember you when I think of Terry as the man who's camping out

overnight for real urban barbecue. Thank you, Rick. that's Rick Camp right there. The man laughing is Joe Estrowski, our score guy through and through. Joe O from the Chicken Dinner podcast. And Joe, you're part of this generation. You and Campi both who grew up on B&B, essentially. For sure.

And, you know, it's funny. I was just thinking about it. Actually, Terry has impacted my life for, I wanted to say 34, but it's probably closer to 40 years. Because we were a Sun-Times household. And I would see him on TV before the score ever happened. And I was one of those day one guys. I still remember January 2nd, 92. My dad comes home.

That all sports station started. And I was about the age that my son is now. That's when I knew speaks, what I wanted to do with my life. That was that moment. And, you know, working there after the internship, I entered for the Mike Norse show, is still loosely associated with the score all these years later. And it's funny because he still am impacting me today, not only because this is what We do. But I, like Zampillo, I live in the Mokina area. And last year, my son Jack had Miss Boers as a teacher.

Wow. And my daughter Emma, the other day, they, you know, switched their classes midway through. And she has Ms. Boers. And I asked both of them, like, how do you like it? Love Miss Boers. And we, we know that impact is there from Terry. So it's, it's a beautiful thing, man. Wow. That, that, that is amazing. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't realize. that that's his daughter-in-law who's a teacher out there? Correct. Yes. Wow. Exactly. And I asked the kids on the baseball team that I coach, like, who is Ms. Boers? Raise her hand. What do you think? Love her. Love her. Yes. So, you know how that is. I'm sure Rue doesn't love every teacher that he has, but that sort of impact that Terry's made on our lives. And we still remember some of our

favorite teachers, you know, and so impacting my kids now. Thank you so much, Joe. It's great to hear from you, man. We appreciate it very much. Thanks, speak. Talk soon. You got it. That is Joe Estrowski, Joe O, right there. There he is.

You can see him on Twitch and on the YouTube. He is Baldy McGrindy. He is Brendan McCaffrey. I love that it says Baldy McGrindy, which is a Borzian nickname on your screen. Has it always, or is that just for today? No, I mean, that's ever since I was an intern in 2008, that was my moniker.

that they um well i was johnny eager and then ronji chris ronjie helped come up with uh with baldy mcgrindy i really appreciate getting the opportunity to to join you it's been great so far i've listened to as much as possible with a two-year-old and a two-and-a-half week old son that i'm chasing around here but uh um yeah just just sad day but but also i've laughed more today than i have in a long time and and like everybody after i heard the news i rushed to YouTube for all the clips and the old, you know, the old stuff and, and been texting a lot of my former co-workers and colleagues. So, yeah. What did you think, what kind of impact did Terry have on your life when you think about it, Brendan? He's just the ultimate, to me, the ultimate

entertainer, the ultimate, just the ultimate ballbreaker, basically, like could bust your stones. And I think of a couple things quickly. He once said of, me that I couldn't get laid in a whorehouse with a fistful of 50s. I've thought about that for almost 20 years. I was losing my hair at the time, and now my hair is completely gone. I'm lucky that I'm married with a couple of kids. So he was wrong. He was wrong, is what you're saying.

Not necessarily, because I don't not have a high body count, as the kids say. And other people have mentioned the Who Needs 2 Tavern Tour. I was also on site for a lot of those Fridays. from like 08 until 2011. And at the time, I was living at home, and I had a green conversion van that I would take to each remote. And when Terry saw it, he started coming up with this thing on the air

that I would kidnap people in the green van. I would tie them up. I would roll them out the back of the van and set them on fire. They could be women, they could be men, they could be children. That's what I was doing in the green van. So he just could break everybody's stones, like bust stones all day. And I know, I'm thinking about him. And quickly, all I can think about this lineup, we got Chad Feldman, Dan Zampillar, Rick Camp, Joe Estrowski, and Brendan McCaffrey.

I can just hear Terry being like, well, I guess I could go take a nap during this. I mean, who's next to MRF? No, he's not for the record. But thank you, Brendan. Appreciate you, buddy. That lineup rolls on. You know what I love about that? Roll them out of the back of the van and set them on fire.

That's a completely unnecessary detail, but makes it better. Nick Shepkowski, my former producer, longtime score guy, another in the generation of Terry Disciples and a B&B-Fillin producer. What do you say, Shep? How are you, buddy? Oh, my God, BMAC's so right on that one. Continue your murderer's row right here. He hasn't been to me.

I mean, it's just one right after the other. That they line up to hear that. Zawoski was so right earlier as well. when he mentioned the part of every score fan has a favorite score memory, and that memory has nothing to do with sports whatsoever. I mean, Terry Bors, I guess this might be if someone just, you know, you try to explain him to the general public, like what's Terry like? Chances are, you know, nobody that doesn't like a Twix bar, right?

Like everyone likes the Twix bar. Terry Bores, the one person, the one memory I have that first popped into my head, was him going off on air one of the early times listening to him of how he doesn't like Twix and Twix are disgusting and how if you know there's Twix to give out to kids on Halloween. That is the first one

to go because he does not want that anywhere near him and I'm like that's the epitome of Terry. I regret this tribute. That is a terrible opinion. That is completely wrong. Shep, he was warm. I know you felt the warmth too, didn't you? Underneath the humor?

Well, no doubt about it. I mean, my favorite part probably of working with Terry was where we were in the midday slot, there speaks, and as everyone knows, I mean, it's not exactly, you know, hidden anymore. Terry would work from home. He was kind of the first work from home guy before that became a thing. And he'd work from home a few days a week. And so once we were wrapping up and we'd finish our show before transition, I'd always have to make sure check down the line that Terry was there.

Hey, buddy, how you doing? and Terry every time. By the way I said, hey, buddy, are you there, buddy? He knew exactly how my day was going. And it would be five minutes of getting to talk to Terry, usually uninterrupted of sometimes it was sports, sometimes it was life, sometimes God knows what it was. And it was just, it was great because then you'd see him on Monday when he would come in or Tuesdays when he would come in. And it's like the conversation never stopped. And I just remember the first time working with that show with Bors and Bernstein.

I was sent out on remote to a who needs two tavern to her. And checking in with Maddie, being like, Maddie, what do I need to know? What do I need to do? It's like, you'll be fine, you'll be fine. Don't worry about it. Just don't let Terry out of your sight during a break. I'm like, okay, he's exaggerating.

What is he talking about? Sure enough, the first break comes, Terry goes. He starts talking to some listener. And the entire day, it's like I was trying to reel in a fish with him. I mean, it was like that's what he wanted to do. He was putting on a show and he was putting on an extra show during commercial breaks. And I think that that's, I think listeners need to know how much they meant to him because that didn't come out of like, that came out of a place of love from him and won't.

That's awesome, Shep. Thank you so much. That's Nick Shepkowski. We roll forward with Matt Rodew, the update anchor antagonist, just trying to get through an update. Weren't you, Rody? My God. It's me on a borrow line for Barry Rosner. Why are you calling me?

I can't believe they would call me for this. Can I just say real quickly, it's an honor to be even talking about Terry Boers. And the update thing was awesome and terrifying at the same time. Because when you do these updates, you don't know where it's going to go. It's like Bull Durham. I wouldn't dig in if I are you because you just simply didn't know where the update was going to go. And I was trying to do it seriously. And at first it was uneasy.

And after a while you build your confidence. And in my eight years of doing updates, it took a long time to do that. But I always appreciated the fact that Terry was Terry every single time. And he called me a sputtering bitch on the air. And I'm so thankful that nickname never really stuck. But I took it personally at first because I didn't know any better. But then after the years went on, I understood that's great radio.

It's just making, you know, fun out of my lack of confidence and horrible update delivery. And that's okay. After a while, I got better at it. And he received it as well, too. And then in the 83 days, I was just playing along for the ride. And it was just a small part of the, there it is. To be a small part of the show, Tanny is always ready for that. And it was just amazing to see how that show succeeded.

I started listening in college like everybody else, 2000, jumping in 670, going back and fourth in southern indiana i could barely pick it up but i could pick it up wow and i listened to it all the time and just to be on the show as a as an update guy was just a dream come true i'm not kidding and uh i always appreciated just being around terry i wasn't around him a lot because the chef said he he was at home a lot yeah in those own days but when i did get to see him and i got to do a couple of remotes like to do updates on site he was a rock star and it was just so cool to see everybody interact with him all the time thanks matt it's really nice Take it from me. Take it from meat pants.

If it's good radio, maybe the name will stick. That's Matt Rodewald. Hell of a lineup right there. Coming up later this half hour, Chris Ranji and Julie Swika, Dan Bernstein at the top of the hour. Keep it here on the score as we honor Terry Boers. We're back with more of honoring an original, a Terry Boers celebration of life on the score. You know it's special when it's 445 and Mitch Rosen is still in the building. This is impressive. Hi, buddy.

Hi, boss. Hey, Maddie, Tanny, Jay, everybody. What a great tribute to Terry all day today. The feedback from the audience, from Terry's family, coworkers. It's just a special day. Everybody's been asking about two people. Two people. Bernsey, who will be here live in studio at 5,

which we're super excited to hear great Terry stories. And Danny Mack. Danny Mack won't be on today. but I can tell you Danny will be on in the very near future with you. So we're excited for both of those, and I just want to say, great job by you, the entire staff, but it's just great to hear all these amazing stories. And like I said, the feedback from the audience has been tremendous.

But we're excited to hear from Bernsey, great stories and Danny Mack in the very near future. So thank you for everything. Thanks for everything. And thanks again to our friends at Porter, Kitchen and Deck. And thank you, Mitch, for facilitating that lunch for everybody. as we're paying tribute to the great Terry Boers. When we are done at 7 o'clock, Chris Rangy will be on these airwaves right here on the score for two hours of his own brand of Rockham Sockham Grief.

Whatever your brand of grief is, Ranger, you get to show it tonight, buddy. Dude, I love Rockham Sockham grief. Right? And I love being back on the station, but, uh, This bastard had to go and die in order for that to happen. That's just not very nice of him if he asked me. No, it really isn't. You know, boy, he gave you the business as much as anybody's ever been on the air with,

but there was clearly some love there between Terry and you. You know, I think more than anybody else in my life, maybe I had this weirdo I went to college with who was kind of a, you know, he loved to make fun of everybody. and you kind of had to learn to take it. But aside from that guy, I would say that Terry and Dan are probably the other two that taught me more than anything that you got to have a thick skin and take a joke and it's fine. And in fact, when you're the butt of the joke,

it is endearing and it's actually a lot of fun to be there. You know, if you're not completely sensitive about it. Yeah, no, you're right. And Terry made himself the butt of the joke. So often he made himself the butt of the joke. And he would laugh at himself as hard as he would laugh at you. And that made it honest, didn't it? So, I mean, as you know, we would do these updates or I would do them or I'd try to get through them.

And it always seemed about 430. It was always the 430 update where Bernstein or Terry would start laughing in the middle of it or breaking in with something and they would give me a hard time. and those ended up being some of my most fun moments on the station ever, you know, with Tanna Hill and adding the sound and a Batacola who's in the studio there too. I think working with those four guys, that's about as much fun as I've ever had in broadcasting ever. And Terry is, see, here's the thing, and I'm going to talk about this a little bit tonight, and I heard a Batacola talking about this. I don't know if it was on his podcast or earlier today.

I can't remember. But, you know, he did not grow up listening to the score. Well, I didn't either. You know, I grew up in St. Louis. And I've got friends from college who were from Chicago who used to talk about this place, 670 the score all the time. And I remember the first time I ever heard it was Mike North. You know, it was that Chicago accent.

You know, it was that. And I'm like, this guy is great. If that's what Chicago Sports Radio is, I want in. And then I had a friend from high school who moved up there. And he had moved up there years before I did. And he said, you ever heard of this show, Borsen Bernstein? And I was still in college and I said no. And he's like, you've got to listen to it.

It's amazing. Like these guys are so funny. They have this segment called Who You Crap and you got to listen to it. It's the best thing. And when I did, it was, that was the talk show. And I had listened to a lot of sports talk before that. but it was Terry and Dan that taught me it doesn't have to be the same old sports talk. And you know what I, it's hard to describe, but Spiege, you know what I'm talking about, just the same old, just, you know, sports talk.

And they did it differently. They were smart. They were funny. They were ridiculous. But they could go back to being smart in an instant. And they made you think differently about sports. and anybody who read Terry's, you know, his columns in the Sun Times, you knew that you were talking about a really brilliant guy who was very good with words,

even if the words you are most famously associated with him are by cracky, you know, just to be able to write the way he did, we're talking about somebody who was exceptionally intelligent. And I think those guys really taught me what sports radio is supposed to be. And I think everybody should not strive to do their show because you can't be that. And I tell people all the time, you know, people who are not from Chicago or never heard it, I would say, look, it's as good of a sports talk show that I've ever heard and ever will be done. And it can't be replicated.

So you can't try to do it. And Terry's personality can't be replicated. There was not really anybody like him. and knowing how much everybody else admired him, and before I even started at that station, before I really, really knew who he was and got to hear him talk, I was already in, you know? And then when I heard their show for the first time,

I thought, okay, this is exceptional. And that guy, that guy I know could fill a room all by himself. And Terry did that. And I think everybody today, and I've listened to a lot of today, and you've been great, and all the guests and Pappy and Maddie and everybody who've jumped in today have basically said that that Terry Boers could fill a room, you know, not in space, but, you know, just in personality.

And there are very few people in my life ever who've been able to do that. Yeah, it's the magnitude of the personality that was evident before he became a radio guy and eventually translated on the radio. Ronji, you're the best. You're on 7 to 9 right here on the score. Going to take some calls tonight as well? Yeah, we're going to do Terry has died post game show. So 314-4-3-4-3. Never mind.

I better get the phone number right. I'm thinking of the wrong station. I'm thinking about the one I work at now. 3-1-2. How about that? Yep. 644-67-67. All right. We'll look forward.

I'll be listening on the way home. And I'll be angry at the post-game show. as you are want to get and you know it. You know, can I tell you something real quick before we say goodbye? Yes, and I'll probably bring this up again, different audience later. But I don't know what it is when I hear Terry's voice in my head, other than the clips that are on YouTube and the stuff that we've heard today, I just, maybe Maddie remembers this, but I just hear Terry,

and I don't know who he was talking to. I just know it wasn't me. But I remember hearing him say to somebody, spit it out you, sputtering bitch. I don't know who it was, but it was definitely on the other radio, and I think it was one of our update anchors. Rodewald. It's Matt Rodewa. 100%. Thank you, Chris Ranji. You're the best. He'll be on at 7 o'clock tonight. We are now going to get a chance to talk to the scores own in a moment, we will, one of the scores very, very own. Coming up in just a few minutes, Dan Bernstein will be here in studio with me. And that's going to be kind of surreal. And during

that hour, by the way, Danny Parkins is going to join us and talk about the effect of Terry Boers on his young ears and on the radio business writ large. That's for sure. And here now joining us on the score is the score's own Julie Swica. Hello, Julie. How are you? Hi, Spigs. How are you, honey? I am good. Thank you. What do you think of, Julie, when you think of Terry Boers? So the one thing I was thinking as I was listening to people's stories, when I was first hired, Ron Gleason held a meeting with the people who are already on staff. And Greenie, Mike Greenberg, was one of the people in there. And he's like, what's her name, Zweich? And so Greenie was bengling my name. and then Terry started saying,

Shvika. And, you know, it was endearing. It was, hey, you know, these guys don't know how to pronounce my name, but I'm part of the club here. And I had people reaching out to me the last few days saying, when they think about me and my interactions with Terry, they all think of how he pronounced my name. And anytime I would come on the air, he would do it.

And then Dan McNeil started doing it. And to me, that was just, like, that comes to mind right away that, you know, beyond everything else, beyond the fact that Terry was a great mentor and listening board, a sounding board, and just somebody I could talk to when I was, you know, feeling overwhelmed at, you know, finding my way at the score. Terry was always there with a hug and some advice. And I'm absolutely heartbroken, but I'm loving everyone's stories today. what I've been able to listen to has been amazing.

And I can't wait to go back and listen to it all later tonight. Thank you, Julie. Nice to have you a part of this. Thanks so much for being a part of it and making it time. Can I show you one quick picture on Twitch? Sure. All right. So I put this on my Twitter account.

I still call it Twitter. It's not X. It's Twitter. But I put this on there. People can go check it out on there. But this, here see if I can get you a better shot of it. This is me and Terry and Doug Bofone and Jimmy Pearsall at the score 10th anniversary bash.

And I came across it the other day because I was looking for a different picture of me and Terry. And I saw that of me and these three legends. And I was blown away by like how lucky I was to get to work with those guys who made me smile and made me feel like, you know, their niece, their granddaughter, their little sister, whatever. But people can go check out that picture. It makes me smile. And like I said, that's been the best part of today is just everything I've heard just makes me smile and Terry has to be listening and loving every minute of it. And I hope when he heard me, come on with you, he went, Shvika, and grab a cigar or something. I bet he did.

Thank you, Julie. Appreciate you. Anytime Spigs. Love you guys. Julie Swika right there. Jimmy Piersall getting a mention. Who the hell are you? It is quite something.

This is how we grieve. This is how the score grieves. Thank you for being with. this. Dan Bernstein is next in studio right here on the score. It's Draymond Green kicking off my 14th NBA season and the new season in my podcast. Trust me, I'm not holding back. Listen to the Draymond Green show wherever you get your podcast. Dan Bernstein unfiltered.

Got most of the band back together as we welcome one of the greats of all time, Terry Boers. Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy. How are you, man? How you guys doing? How you guys doing? state of the world. I mean, especially thinking about your grandkids and thinking about the kind of world in which they are going to grow up. You know, I don't really worry about that too much. I think

there's a, there's always going to be a certain part of people that are, that I met over the years, that you'd never want to see again. But there's another part of it that couldn't be nicer to you. They couldn't be better. How much can I trust that my grandkids and their kid, where? whatever, are going to be okay in 10 years or 15 years or 20 years from now. I can't. I don't know. I think so. This thing is a mess, but I've never seen a mess yet. There was a right people. You can't clear up. At least start to. I'm happy to hear you say that. The appealing to the better angels of our nature is still something we can do. Yeah, I think our nature is still decent. I really do.

We're back with more of honoring an original. a Terry Boar's celebration of life on the score. Well, this is not how I wanted to see Dan Bernstein again. But I guess it's, I guess what's really true is I'm not sure I wanted to see Dan Bernstein again. Actually, that's not true. That's the correct answer. That's the right sentiment, particularly on this day. Oh, no, you, you.

Dan Bernstein is in studio here at 670 the score. That's nice to say. see you. Good to see you too. You look good. Thanks, buddy. So do you. Thank you. Thank you. And this is quite a thing today. It's the, well, you know, you know what it is to have

an effect on a populace. And Terry Boers has had a massive effect on a populace, be it Chicago, but it's even bigger than that. It is vast. He's had an effect on a medium. And he's had an effect on a fan base

and there's just so much to discuss in regards to the legacy of the man that frankly, I'm not sure seven hours is enough. No, he'd be miserable about all this talking about him. He would, ah, you know, buddy. Shut up, buddy. Yeah, that's enough. We've got better stuff to talk about. This would make him all incredibly uncomfortable.

I know that. But it has been... I mean, you've been going through it over at 312 with unfiltered and all that feedback. We've been going through it. here with all our feedback. And then, I mean, Rosie did, Steve Rosenblum did an amazing job on Saturday

with a live radio show. Every show since has taken calls. We're doing this today. Chris Rangy's going to take two hours, probably a calls tonight. The outpouring is just unbelievable. And I've said this multiple times. I apologize if I'm repeating myself,

but everything sort of remains true. I don't listen to anything you do. Nor should you. Thank you. The idea of, mourning and grief is obviously nonlinear. And I always am making sure I feel like I'm doing it the right way. And you're supposed to be sad.

We are supposed to, this is sad. And the problem is that that bastard makes it impossible to be sad in the moment. Because every time you think of the damn guy, you're laughing or you're smiling about something. every single time. And every time you think, well, what can we do? We can remember him. That we always say, may his memory be a blessing. May his memory be a blessing.

And with Terry, his memory is more than just a blessing. That said generally as something that soaks in over time. That said where one has moments where one realizes, wow, I'm having a time for memory, and this really is a blessing. I can think back and share or remember something and pay something forward that he would do or he would think. With him, the blessing is that you can't stay sad because you immediately start laughing about something stupid. Yeah. About, or giggling about something stupid.

For the past couple of nights, I have spent so much time going through so much of your, when I say I'm talking to you, the score listener, the Terry Bores fan, and just going through so much heartfelt, how many stories and how many connections, and how many moments of the most mundane details, the tiniest details. So many on the Who Needs Two Tavern tour, so many were like, you're in my town, you're at my bar. And I remember when I went up to Terry and I said this and Terry told me this. And I don't remember these things. These are a lot of it is a blur. It's been a long, long time. And I laugh all over again.

And I'm there in the room. And they're talking about what Terry was saying to Dave Miska, Nick Hepner. And he was ordering his Jack and Coke and his iPad didn't work. And the smallest things. And I'm giggling there and just laughing. Someone said, I actually sent this to Tanna Hill. I took a screenshot of this. I want to make sure I get this exactly right.

I don't even know. I've missed you looking at your phone while we're live on the air. I'll paraphrase. This guy says something. It was this beautiful note. Beautiful, emotional note about what Terry meant to him and getting him through difficult times. And then he says something.

He says, I know it was tough for Terry near the end, but I'm glad that at least Dr. Rasmussen was there to provide relief and solace. A Dr. Rasmussen reference, out of nowhere, under a drive. Terry would always say, well, don't go to Dr. Rasmussen, because he only had one treatment. That was Dr. Rasmussen's hot beef injection. And if you didn't need the treatment, it didn't matter because that's all the good doctor was going to give to you anyway.

I hadn't thought of that in forever. I mean, it's been at least 10 years since we've heard it. It's a B-side deep-cut reference. Exactly. And so I'm laughing. It's the middle of the night. Beth is trying to sleep. Would you stop giggling? If you're going to remember Terry, do it in a different room because you're being loud. Oh, you have no choice. But it's been, and that's just one example. Over and over, over, the smallest things, the little things that he said and just making people happy or smile or something to forget something else. And, you know, and there were important things too.

There were things that people really remember about him. But to me, not surprisingly, it's the throwaway goofy stuff that hits hardest. That has been the joy for me is all of these people in this community sending stuff to each other and remembering things. Matt Fishman, who is honoring Terry today by having surgery. Having all of his bodily fluids replaced by synthetic equivalence. He's one of two people who couldn't be on the show. because they're having surgery, which is an amazing homage in itself. That's kind of BS, I think, though. That's no excuse.

I don't buy it. I think he should be here. Fishman told me that he and Terry used to go to Wrigley in the early days, and Terry would walk around going, hi, I'm Tom Scher. Hi, I'm Tom Scher. That's why I keep thinking. I keep thinking no matter what, it'll be five years from now, and you'll be somewhere, and you'll hear somebody in the background you think say, I'm Edward Dickman. And you were like, wait, I say, did I hear that? Judd Surrott reminded me of Baron von Muffhausen.

I forgot that one completely. You know, there's a million of them. Honestly, 70% of it would get anybody canceled. The thing is that a lot of it was just a walking scandal waiting to happen as far as what you can and can't say on the air. And that's okay. Because times change and times change for good reason. I want to say that when you're describing the Who Needs to Tab. Iverentor memories, and it's 14 years of Friday remotes, right?

We counted them up. Yeah, the total number of days we were out of the studio doing the show. I know you at a live event, and you are different than Terry Boers at a live event. And that, because that guy, all he wanted to do was walk around and talk to people during the breaks and create more moments. He wouldn't even know we were back on the air. We'd have to drag him back over. What are you?

I'm busy. I'm talking to people. I don't have time for you. I'm talking to my guy over here. I mean, was there anybody ever built for that job more? Well, that's a great question,

because I know that you sort of asked that rhetorically, but he helped define the job. I think in a lot of ways, Terry's arc helped for a time. It's different now. But I think for a certain kind of writer, beat writer, journalist, columnist, radio guy.

We can talk about Terry the comedian. And Terry was a brilliant comic soul. Had a stand-up comics sensibility for callback. And an insult comics ability to be able to cut you to ribbons and make you like it. He was our Don Rickles. And it was warm, and you knew it came from a good place, and he wouldn't make funny if he didn't love you. And it went for everybody, he had a bad word for wherever it was.

However, that's only part of it. That's part of his hard wiring that made him great once the red light went on. But the other part was well steeped in news judgment, in understanding the sports zeitgeist of a city, of really knowing today here's what's important. here's what's worth really having something strong to have an opinion about and really understanding the inner workings of media and knowing, God, the off-the-air conversation, you know, why did so-and-so write that? He's like, well, I'll tell you why he wrote it because he's the one who said this and they're going to own this story. So they're going to downplay it.

And you wait, when the Sun Times publishes, it's going to be a completely different angle on it. So we might want to think about, well, how, if you said that, I don't know if you're going to like being the guy with that opinion. You know, so he had a real sense that belied a lot of the goofy, oh, you know, I'm just, mine like a trap and a tremendous, it's a trap, and a tremendous understanding of all of that, then the comic timing, then the goofiness. So the rhetorical question is exactly what we should be thinking about from the professional perspective. I don't know if anybody was ever built for it. Like the way that they got lucky in choosing his.

him and the way that he got lucky in being chosen for this particular profession as it was opening up to the world. There was a generation, though, that shared that, I think. When you talk about guys, they all came out of the NBA. A lot of these guys were NBA beatwriters. Cornheiser and NBA beatwriters? Well, guys like Dan Barrero and they're Bob Ryan. There were other big city NBA guys that also became newspaper columnists that then became

very successful. talk show host, if not full-time talk show hosts. We had Pat Roycy on earlier today, right? I mean, like, and he's part of my company. He's part of Score North. There you go. So, like, yeah, and Terry, he knew all those guys. And I remember when I was producing them, producing him, and you were a Bears reporter and Bulls reporter and part-time host of the score in the 90s.

He had a cavalcade of those guys. Of those dudes. And that's why when I had just come off, when we started in 99, I had just finished up that run with the Bulls and covering those teams. And I was really sort of steeped in some of that NBA stuff. That's Borsen-Bernstein. He's saying started in 99. Terry had a whole career before that. Yeah.

But that's what our show started. And we really bonded on sort of that understanding of basketball. A lot of it came in around basketball and around it. You know, this is not the greatest basketball city in the world. Oh, no. But at that time, at that time, we just lived through, like, excellence that has never been matched. We didn't even understand how we were living. We're still sorting through it.

But I laughed because you guys would share an arrogance at times, especially about basketball, the basketball re-education camp to which you would send people. Thank you. Give me as much as you can. That's my favorite of the creation. Please. Tell me as much as you remember about the basketball re-education camp. Because a caller would be an idiot in basketball terms, and you would send them there with a lot of different details.

Well, we still joke about it. Why do you hate Luwold Dang? Bernstein? Well, maybe because you said, or someone said that they wouldn't trade Lou All Dang for LeBron James. And at that point, I said, well, I don't know if that's when we established the charter for our basketball reeducation facility. And we never quite figured out if it was a pleasant learning environment or if it was a medieval dungeon where you were simply forced to adopt our beliefs about basketball. It was more a coercion facility that it was necessarily an educational one. But, yeah, this is a smart baseball town.

It's a smart football town. Basketball's taken a while. And you still have people saying a lot of stupid basketball things in this town. So that fight's never over. I will tell you that. But it was a lot of the, and it wasn't necessarily shared opinions, but that, I will say. No, just in that moment, that's why I think I enjoyed it so much, you know? But it's funny that when you talk about the,

You used to call it the freight train of hate and indignation. Yes. Where the great thing was that you had Terry, and it was Terry. A lot of the stuff that we'd have fun with and making fun of people. Well, part of the reason that I called it that was because me and Mack would come here and do middays and lollygag and giggle our way through middays and be like, ha, ha, ha, and then we'd get you guys. At the end of our day, it was so miserable. And we were just arriving. Oh, you were just starting.

and you were a freight train of hate and indignation and somebody was going to get it, and we were in your way. We were just in your way, and it sucked. But we loved it, too. Terri would say something like, well, yeah, buddy, I think the feelings show is done. Let's go in there and light somebody's ass on fire.

All right, let's get it. But it wasn't... But that's perfect. Terry will also say that at various times, it was everyone. It was Maddie and Jason and Scott Schia. and Jay Hood and Sam Pillow and any number of people that we would say, you know, what do you have?

There's microphones in front of you for a reason. Use them. If you can contribute to the whatever we were doing, whatever, we didn't call it improv, but there was definitely an improv sensibility in letting me, if you got something good, roll with it, you know, feed it. So there definitely was. And you and I've talked a lot about improv, and this is an incredible improv city, and it should not be a surprise that the score developed so quickly as that kind of sensibility. It was well managed, too, that, I mean, you had, it might have been accidentally well managed under certain regimes, but there were times where they just knew to get out of the way.

Well, we'll go back. Let it be. Because I have a lot of respect for what you guys became as a partnership. But before that, he had an incredible partnership. with Dan McNeil. That's why I fell in love with the score. It was because of him. And I really learned how to drive a show because of McNeil.

Well, that's the thing. Mike Greenberg was on today and talked about that show. And I worked on that show and heard that show. And I'm sure there's a lot of our listeners who grew up and loved B&B, but speak to Terry's facility to be a partner in that show and then be a partner with you. That's a remarkable level of professionalism. You're talking about being the most partnered in the history of the station. But I was born for it.

I'm the youngest of five. I get along with all my siblings. This is just me in terms of getting along with people. Maybe that was just him. But I wonder if, like, how did it feel in those early years? What, Hood and Fishman are producing you and you guys are finding your way? I'll tell you why it is. Because what I learned about Terry is Terry has his natural sense, conversationalally and comedically,

is almost like, it's funny that I heard John Paul Jones of Led Zeppelin talking about this in the documentary that was actually approved by Led Zeppelin, which is good in its own right. But when they talk about when the wives show, they always talk about their wives, I'm like, you realize you're Led Zeppelin, right? I was watching at an airplane and I literally went, are you? Oh, my God, are you kidding me with this? So John Paul Jones said, he said,

I realized all I had to do was find the spaces. He said, we've got a drummer there who's an absolute powerhouse. We've got a frontman who is an absolute powerhouse. He said, there's a way to find the spaces and still be more than present. Terry's got this incredible. He doesn't have to say much. He can make a couple of silly noises and be what you remember. He can be what you take away.

I'm not saying background. I'm saying his understanding of where the spaces are. The spaces around McNeil were a certain shape. The spaces around me would be a certain shape. And he just had a natural ability to feel in those areas in a conversation, in an interview, particularly in an interview. And when it really came out to me was how often we couldn't see each other. Nobody even knew. It is astonishing the kind of chemistry that you two were able to create not seeing each other.

He was at home most days. It is astonishing. Believe me, I've worked so much, and in the pandemic we all had to, but so much with partners on Zoom or we would FaceTime or do anything we could to see each other. You guys didn't have that. Yeah, and a lot of that was him. And after a while, you know a person's breathing, and you just know exactly where somebody is in a thought or in an interview when it's time.

We didn't need to see each other. that it just became, it was his skill and his lack of ego. Yeah, you're being modest, because the two of you having figured that out, that comfort of that chemistry and that rhythm where you don't step on each other is a big part of your appeal, whether listeners understood it or not. It's nothing that you work on. I think it just comes over time. It's amazing.

But he's, I just think that his lack of an ego and his understanding, of partnership and how things can always be better the more you share. And I think I knew when it was time to get out of his way when he'd be on one. But he wanted to be the butt of the joke, too. He wanted to be made fun of. I was thinking about, and I mentioned this, I talked about it with friends in the business, the way that he would self-deprecate in a question, it became rote to hear like, well, you know, some people say, maybe sometimes I say it, but who the hell am I?

I wouldn't say. Nobody would hear when I think. Nobody would listen to me say it. And the interviewee would be laughing, but it would also be eliciting a much more vulnerable and real level of answer, whether they wanted to or not. One of the things, Mike, that's been pointed out over the course of today and last night after the game

is that you seem resigned to the fate after the game, that there wasn't much fire in you, and you sort of stood up before the media and said, well, you know, this is the way it is? Are you resigned to this fate? You're the same guy that wrote about me when I did have the fire. That was the wrong thing to do. So who you crapp?

Well, I'm just asking. Don't crap me. No, no, no, no, no. I heard through a little birdie, whose name rhymes with Jonathan Hood, that you guys didn't necessarily want to do that. Or that there was a conversation about whether it carried that over or not. True. So because it was their bit. It's an old different shows.

I felt weird. I bet. I used to tune in to listen to it. I used to make sure that I ran out of the Rockford Lightning offices. in time to not miss who you crap it. Yeah. So you felt weird to take it. It was to carry it forward.

Yeah, but then Ron Gleason kind of was the deciding factor, and he said, it was Terry who asked the question. It's Terry's voice. It should be Terry's segment. And McNeil was not happy about it. He wasn't. Made it clear. The time that wasn't his choice was to have that live on with him.

But, I mean, everything's cool. but it was Gleason who said that who was like, well, it should be, it was Terry and that's his bit. We've never really figured out the intellectual property with a lot of our bits. Oh, no, no, no. Of course not. I get, but like the genius of that

bit, I mean, obviously, it beget bum of the week, and for that you suck, and what's your beef, and all of that. And every radio station, everywhere, everywhere across the country. But it had an intellectual defining, it had to be something

someone said. That nobody understood. That was the problem. You do the same bit for 20 years and you're at the end of it. People still didn't understand it. And that actually became perversely, that became

really fun. Oh, I know. When Terry would get angry because we'd have some regular caller who still didn't get it. And it's like, well, no, that's not what we're doing here, buddy. But that was part of the charm. though, because you also knew that

at some level it was your own fault. Of course it was. Or was it just the idiot listeners' fault? No, it's a symbiotic relationship. One begets the other. It's idiot hosts create idiot listeners. That's it. All right, we are looking for a big finish on who you crappin.

He's done reading. It is up. He's done reading. Because the good ones were all coming in via email. I'm like, Terry, look, you can talk to these idiots or we can actually read the ones that came for the smart people. This from Stonecutter. So here's the thing.

So he must have, he's done reading. That's about as close as he got to. He didn't criticize you on the air very much. Sure he did. Did he? Oh, yeah. I feel like I don't remember it. Sure he did.

I don't remember him coming at you very much on the air. No, well, it just wasn't really the nature of the, it wasn't sort of like a fire and ice hot take. You say this, I say this partnership. But, Dan, there's things about you that are very desirable to come after. They're completely miserable. They deserve lampooning. Not even that. But it's like how you could sit next to you and not come after you.

That's part of his egosiness in a lot of ways. Like he didn't or he didn't enjoy that part of it, I guess. No, like he would come after if it was funny. He'd make a joke about something. He wouldn't do it to be mean. Or to prove something about himself. No. He would absolutely do it if it were funny.

In service of the bit, if other. if other people would find it funny, he'd do it. Let's talk about what Terry Boers' North Star was in that way. If I'm going on, Dr. Radio. Dr. Radio himself, Dan Bernstein, is in the building. Danny Parkins is going to join us in the next half hour as well to talk about the legacy of Terry Boers. We're here until 7 on the score.

Baseball home run champ Barry Bonds indicted on perjury and obstruction of justice charges. Yes! God, you made my day, King. We're back with more of honoring an original, a Terry Boar's celebration of life on the score. Ah, Terry thrilled at Barry Bonds being indicted. I forgot that was Brian Perruke. I see him every morning. You do? Sure.

We were talking about life as a broadcaster and a podcaster for Dan Bernstein, the latter. You're enjoying it. Yes, this isn't about me. No, it's not. That's not talking about me. It's been about me. And I've really enjoyed it. No, it's not been about me.

It's been a wonderful thing to just listen about Terry. I wanted to ask you, because I assume you know more. But his weird beginnings pre-radio carried a mythology because they didn't seem possible to me. You read his book. I mean, it's all there. So say more about that. He wrestled. He wrestled a bear.

Is that correct? Well, Victor the Bear was a, a, a, little one-off thing, but he did get involved in like low-level minor league professional wrestling. Okay. More as a manager than as a wrestler, but he kind of played a character at these things. And that was part of Terry's lore as well as horse racing. Yeah, the horse racing. I thought about him today because Hawthor and Racecourse is not doing well.

It hasn't been doing well ever. I know, but there was another level of not doing well. Eventually it'll be dead, but then it's mostly just sort of not doing well for a while. I'll learn race courses. I got to think. I can't be there because she made the appointment and they canceled the appointment. I don't know. I tried.

Maybe you can try, but I don't know. They put me in this thing. They're calling it a portal. I don't know how to use it. The only portal I know is on a boat. You're right. They canceled another week of stuff. there's another lawsuit.

But anyway, he loved the horse racing and it was steeped in that stuff. So anyway, those weird and humble beginnings, I remember, do we have do you remember when, when Bernsey saw the house on the front? Oh, that amazingly tiny little, I couldn't, I still can't believe

how the entire family could live in there. It was like the Monty Python bit with a shoebox. Right. Right. He's like, we lived in a shoebox on the side of the road. You had a whole shoebox? We ain't nothing but gravel. Yes, exactly. I couldn't. believe how small a house you could believe. Father, coming down from Deerfield. Look at it. Look at that. There was entire family in there. Yeah, no, it's true. So how did he become so freaking brilliant

and worldly? By the time you heard him on the radio, it's some, you know why? It's remarkable. There is a lot of self-made genius to that man. Well, it's something that isn't done all that that often anymore, alas. It's called reading. He was a great and voluminous, voracious reader, and he worked at knowing stuff. He was curious.

This intellectual curiosity where, I mean, today we've got the entire collective intelligence of the world in our hand. And if you're curious about something, you can find out more. And he did. He did. And when you couple that with his journal,

understanding of get the facts right, really know stuff. It's also part of what you were talking about before, about his desire to talk to me. I know he would always say, I don't like people, I don't like people, but he did. Of course he loved people. And all of his travel for work, everything that he did, whether it was flying around with the bulls or he always took advantage of being where he was and enjoying where he was, and enjoying the friendships he made and experiencing things. Terry was a really good experiencer of stuff.

And even as he got older, he impeach when they wanted to go travel. There's stuff. He wanted to go see things and get on a, take a cruise and bother everybody at the bar on the cruise and play this room and play that room. And it was ultimately just his intellect, his curiosity. And then he was able to take in the same information everybody else does. And then it would come out differently because his problem. processor was so unique. Terry did put it all in the book. You're right. And the book is a, is a great read. And I know a lot of people have gone. I went back. Yeah. The last couple of

nights, I went back and just glanced at some things again, because it gives you a little bit of warmth when you hear him in his words, because it's, the way it's written sounds like Terry. It was not overly polished or scrubbed or made to sound like something that wasn't in his voice. So it really is his voice. A friend of mine, one of my poker buddies, had texted a while back because he found the book. And then he was remembering how he, my friend, was on Fox 32 after the Cubs Blue Game 7 of the NLCS holding a giant Larry Horse sign. he made a giant Larry Horse sign and was on the Fox broadcast

behind Dane Placco who was recording a live thing and he went the next day you guys were on remote and he went and delivered the sign to you and he said that's your buddy that's my buddy and he has a videotape that says Larry Horse on it

in his collection of videotapes because he has a shot of that but yes this is the level of devotion and absurdity that that show fostered. Here's Larry Horse. Yeah, a lot of what happened was sort of, it was before we called things memes,

there was a memetic aspect to the world that Terry helped build. I have people, one of the reasons I'm laughing. Again, the number of condolence notes or people just wanting to reach out and share

memories that reference one or more of Terry's monkeys. everybody has a thought of like, individual of these mythical made-up monkeys. How many did he have? Well, that's debatable. I think at one point we had the sick monkey, because that is, you know, kiss a sick monkey's wet ass.

Yes. So that was... You can kiss a sick monkey's wet ass. Yeah. I'll put it right now, John. You're St. Louis bitch. You silly St. Louis bastard. First of all, I hate everybody from St. Louis.

Everybody. From the oldest to the youngest on down from there. I hate them all. all, including you. And you can just my ass and don't spare the crack. Is that Chris Ranji coming up at 7 o'clock? Is that who he's talking about? There was the sick monkey, and then one time he accidentally said,

you can kiss a wet monkey's sick ass. So that's what we created the wet monkey. And then these are all based on malaprops. There was the sick monkey, the wet monkey. The sink monkey was just the monkey that lived in the sink. Then there was the Sikh monkey that he was. a religious? He was a Sikh.

Yes. Yeah, that was the Sikh monkey. Terry was very inclusive in that way. Oh, of course. Yeah, they lived in his basement. There was the filthy minky. There was the Iranian space monkey that was on assignment. He could not be used.

They couldn't send him for anything. He's always on assignment. And then I know I'm missing. The eaten monkey because there was a monkey that got eaten by lions. Taddy is nodding and proving. He's rolling. Yeah. I was going to help him with the Iranian space monkey.

No, no, no. No. one? Yeah, yeah. I know that there's one that maybe didn't get full-fledged monkey status that was like the featured players on SNL.

Jay Zawaski, do you remember any of Terry's monkeys that you'd like to offer it? I think they've covered all of them. I think, yeah. How about Jay Zawoski coming back to be a part of this? Just because he wanted to. I just want to see Danny. I mean, and you guys.

Okay, fine. Well, like, to the reach of Terry, like, you know, I'm watching the movie Sunset Boulevard from 1950. And if you remember that movie... I'm ready for my close-up. Yeah, Gloria Swanson, there's a dead dead monkey in the first

few minutes. And I'm like, oh, now that's a sick monkey right there. It was a sick monkey. Not anymore. It never stops. And even the bits that I'm still doing, even and members of was... It originally was Terry, I want to say

sticks and members of sticks that started that years ago. and we just sort of grew, we planted that seed and watered it and that became a thing. It's part of the lexicon now. It's almost like Terry is like the Simpsons

where it's just overly quoted. I texted you three days before Terry passed. Like, who did he say? Made a rash decision? That was travel. Travel with Terry. And that was just in the airport because he couldn't do it.

Quick story. I don't know if this story has been told yet. And if you really want to know the essence of of the creation of Terry Boers, the on-air guy. Yeah. And what wasn't taught him, what just was natural to him. I ran into, years ago, I ran into a guy who I think was working for, I think was working for Duke at the time.

He was a, like the associate S-I-D at Duke. And he recognized me from when I was a student. He comes looking at me, look, and I introduced myself. And he said, oh, you're on the radio. Who you work with? I said, yeah, I work with a former Sun-Times columnist, a guy named Terry Boers, and his eyes got big. And he goes, you work with Terry Boers? And I said, yeah, how do you know Terry Boers?

I only know you from being down in Durham. You're not from Chicago. He's no. He said, I went to Indiana. And he said, I was a student, S-I-D assistant at Indiana. And he said, once a year when Illinois would play in Bloomington, he said, I learned over time. All the student assistants used to talk and say, that's the night you want to be in the press room,

that you want to be the guy putting the game notes out and putting the stacks of paper and the game notes. If you can be in the press room when Terry Bores arrives, don't miss it. Because he said that, first of all, it was Terry driving down to Bloomington to cover Bobby Knight. Yeah, so he was. He's already going, right?

So this is his opportunity to see Bobby Knight. And stick it to Bobby. You know, Lou was his guy. Sure. And Lou hated Bobby and the whole thing. But Bobby took stuff so seriously. Terry would want to bust that balloon. I got to remember I'm on terrestrial radio at the moment.

But it's also that Bobby Knight was a piece of crap. And Terry knew that. Yes. Worse. But he said that Terry would arrive. The doors would fly open. And Terry would walk in and have an unkind thought for everybody in that room. all people he knew.

Oh, it was over here. I'd see you, the old fart in a rain barrel. What are you doing? Oh, this guy, oh, you better watch the farm animals when he's around. And he just said it was like the greatest show on earth

when Terry would come in and do that. That is amazing. That is Dan Bernstein. It has been a wonderful day paying homage to our friend Terry Boers. And from Terry at the beginning of the radio station all the way down through us and through to Danny Parkins,

our good friend, who joins us now on the Circus Sports Illinois hotline. The legacy and the impact of Terry Boers is obvious. Danny, thanks for making time after a day over at FS1. You're on with Speegs and Bernstein talking about Terry Boers. Huh? Crazy. Well, listen, that is an honor.

It's great to be included. I've been listening as much as I can all day. And yes, Dan, it is fantastic to hear you on the score. I know it's not about you. Greenie was great. The producers were great. It's just, it's been really,

really powerful stuff. And yeah, Terry, of course, it's a legacy of a giant. You know, he, it seems like he was made to do this job,

but it wasn't the job that he first started out to do. Like, he was remarkably naturally great at it. And that's not to suggest that he didn't work at it. But like the combination of, credentials and journalistic credibility and the ability to be

scathing and go after Titans like you guys are just talking about with Bob Knight or Penn State or Steve Alfred or like I was to do it a clip the other day just absolutely eviscerating Al Michaels for how he like the soap that he wanted and how he wanted to fly

on a private plane. And what do you say? I remember he said something like put him on a private plane and send him somewhere where he cares about the game in front of him or something like that. Something like that. It was just incredible. And it was just like going down to, like your guys' show, it's so, you guys are so lucky that there are a hundred B&B clips on YouTube that will live forever.

It's just such a, it's such a glorious, like, you know, Tanny probably has every hour ever done of the show, but like not everyone has that access. It's just been such a gift to all of us, Bors fans. that we've been able to do this in the last couple of days. And I don't want to make it too much about me at all, but there was a lot of pressure, not that I was replacing Boers, but when I got hired at the score,

you know, the story was like Terry Boers is retiring. They hired this kid, Danny Parkins, and then Jason Goff is going to be working with Dan Bernstein. So obviously, golf was like more moving into the chair. But just like seeing my name as a footnote in a story

with Boers was, wildly intimidating for someone who at 30 had gotten his dream job. And, you know, my relationship with him was not nearly as close as your guys is, but I went back through old emails that him and I had corresponded with, and I listened back to Radiothon segments that we did together, or the 30-minute speaks we did with him for score stories for the 30th anniversary, and to get his, his, like, validation, or blessing. And I know he was complimentary and he was very generous with a compliment. But,

you know, him writing to me, you know, 2019, hey Danny, no wonder Danny Mack referred to you as the franchise when we worked together last July. You are a remarkable talent. Keep it going. Like getting a blessing from Terry Boers when I never actually worked with him, it just, it meant a ton. And Steegs, you'll like this one, 2021. An email out of the blue from Taylor. Hey, Danny, do me a favor. Give Matt a big hand for me for getting back to the station as your partner. He's a wonderful guy who's so deserved the chance again. He was just, he was so generous and he was the best, and his legacy is spectacular.

Thanks for sharing that. You know, it's, it's, his encouragement did mean a lot. Like, he was so encouraging to me as he was calling me meat pants and making fun of my, my largesse. But all of it. But he was so clearly... I think there was an N in large-ass. Yeah. But so clearly built for the job.

Danny, I mean, I'm just curious from your perspective. I mean, you grew up hearing it and then seeing all of your friends who also have become talk show hosts out there in the world and following the business as you do. People dream of being the personality composite that that guy naturally was, don't they? There's no question. I mean, look, he, you know, him and Mac doing heavy fuel crew, like, together, and then Harry staying at the score and Mac eventually going up to dial, but bringing a lot of those sensibilities to, you know, Mac, Jerko and Harry and B&B. Yep, that's important.

Yeah. Like, being on the air in afternoons competing against each other at the same time and having, like, that shows origin, but as, like, sensible driving full. of the two shows of a decade and longer in your guys' case. But, like, you know, I would listen to Howard Stern in the morning and then listen to both shows in the afternoon, flip for commercial breaks. You know, I would, if there was drama and, like, Mac was punching Harry, I'd be listen to them.

But, like, if there was, like, a big news story, I was a B&B guy first because, like, you guys playing sound drops over press conferences was absolutely, like, it was, like, it was my favorite thing about the show. I just, I, like, you know, all the stupid things that, like, now I feel silly because, like, I'm people, buy cracky, ass hat. He told someone to burn your phone. I was like, who would burn a phone? Dick Trickle. Dick Trickle, it's a name, not a condition.

If they were playing in my backyard, I would close my blinds. Do you know how many times I've thought of that in my 15 years? Do you know what somebody, Danny? You know somebody brought up to me that I had completely forgotten? Somebody mentioned the. the coach Landon Cox. And Terry said that's a name not a profession. Landon Cox.

You remember Landon Sonny Cox was on the old score. It was. And one time he said about John Shire, I don't care of that kid is black, a brown, a green, a yellow. He can shoot the ball. If it wasn't Chris Collins? I'm pretty sure it was Shire. Okay.

I thought it was way before Shire. It might have been. Collins, you think? I think it was. I think it was way before. But Landon College. He also said it too when there was a major being played a crooked stick. And he said

it's a golf course, not a condition. It did pull. Like everybody. Oh, man. It was so great. But to the industry, Influid speaks like, your favorite segment can't do it. Yes.

A Bears legend, Mike Singletary says, can't do it. I had in my notes app in my phone for years, that's how big of a nerd I was hosting in Kansas City. I had a note app of Bips I would do if I ever got a Chicago radio show. And Can't Do It was out of because I thought about it in like the image of who you crap in. And just like that it would work because Bears fans would have a connection to Singletary like Dick and the whole thing. it was so like you know you could argue that like if not for guys like Terry and I heard you mentioned cornheiser earlier like like does the show around the horn exist like was there was which lasted for

20 years on ESPN and the idea of like putting sports writers on TV and I know the sports reporters was the thing and I was certainly one of the inspirations of it but the idea that you could bring the journalistic credibility and then mix the columnist chops and the humor and then do it for five hours a day. Like most writers couldn't do it, but Terry was born with that gift. And it wasn't just doing it. It was making people not want to miss it.

It was making sure that you can get a bunch of old sports writers sitting in a room smoking cigars and all. But to make it compelling and funny in a way that was also accessible, that was also more than just swapping stories and more than just them as they would be in the press room, that there was an understanding of your broadcasting, that there was more that was going on. Yeah, he was a performer, and he was so self-deprecating,

and I know you guys have talked about it, but it was just he couldn't, sometimes it felt like he wouldn't take a compliment, or you'd say, like, you were the soul of the radio station, or in that score stories interview speaks, I said, you know, you're the most popular host in the history of this radio station, and I think that that's just, that is just empirically true, because the other people who would be in that conversation had a lot of haters. Like, no one, no listener hated Boers.

Like, he was, he was a beloved figure. Yeah. And so it was just a, it was a remarkable ability to do what he did for so long and have that impact on people. And I know everyone is talking about his writing as a newspaper man and then his career as a broadcaster. But I rewent down the rabbit hole and read his father's day columns. they are so, they are so good. And like being a dad clearly meant so much to him, his relationship with his father who passed away,

far too young, clearly had an input on him. The 2015 one about like the value of work ethic and like the silent lesson that his dad was teaching him on cleaning milk trucks, which he wrote about obviously. It's in the book also, but it was beautiful,

a beautiful column. And then I thought this one from 2013, because he was talking about things that he wished he had said with his dad, don't let your own anything get in the way of your relationship with your dad today or for that matter any other day. You know how they say that life's too short, right? It really is. And it was just, it was beautiful. And, you know, we had 75 years with Terry and we know it was painful for him at the end. But it's, but it was just, it was beautiful. And, you know, we had 75 years with Terry. And we know it was painful for him at the end. But it. But it's, still life was too short because one more conversation, you know you were going to get 10 more laughs with that guy. Thank you, Danny Parkins. Appreciate you very much. Yeah, you guys have been doing an amazing job, and it's an honor to be with you guys. Thanks. That's Danny Parkins right there.

It is the score. We've got an hour more to go. Russ Matera, who was very close with Terry and especially, you know, towards the end as well. Ron Gleason and a family member from the Boers family will be with us in the 6 o'clock. You got anywhere to be? Do you mind sticking around with me? I don't mind if you want me here. I'd like, yeah, I think we'd all like that.

Yeah, sure. Don't speak for all of us. I'm just going to say, don't present. It's funny that you said that because when you said Terry didn't have any haters. Yeah. I remember him saying to me once. He's like, you know, this is great. He goes, you and I can say the same things, whenever he's got a crap all over you,

and nobody says anything about me. 100%. I think that's why you liked it. You took those arrows lovely. It speaks with you and Bernstein here. on the score. The podcast campus files is back with more stories of scandal, crime, and intrigue on college campuses. It is not hard to destroy a college.

It's almost like a university on a siege. Listen to and follow campus files. Available now wherever you get your podcasts. Boers and Bernstein middays from 10 to 2. Biggest left field butcher I've ever seen since the butcher in the... The biggest... You ever seen? I mean, he makes Carlos Lee look like jazz.

But you've got Moises-A-Lu on that list. I've watched this guy like four or five times in every game. You've got Manny on that list. But even Manny's not a complete retard. Jason Du Bois. He's a very high-paid athlete with a powerful, stroking bat. But boy, is he a suckfest? I believe he's a natural right fielder.

He would be my natural D.H is what I would do with him. I can't put a glove on him because he apparently doesn't really want to use it. Ooh, but suey. Oh, he suck! Boers and Bernstein middays 10 to 2 on WSCR, The Score. And thanks for listening to a stream at 670 TheScore.com. We're back with more of honoring an original, a Terry Boar's celebration of life on the score.

That's pretty awesome that we can go from Russ Matisse. to Russ Matera to Russ Matera. Different iterations of Russ Matera. As Russ Matera joins us right now on the Circus Sports Illinois hotline, and he's on the Zoom, which means he's on the Twitch, and he's on the YouTube. And Russ, you're on with Speegs and Dan Bernstein, as we are honoring an original,

a Terry Boers celebration of life. You've been working on this show for several days here, as you've been working on everything here at the score. For how long now, Russ? Good God. I would say this August, it'll be 34 years. Holy Jesus. That's amazing.

That's your Walter Payton number of years. It makes it extra special. After a Matsui reference in the last clip. Ah. Hey. Hello, fishing friend. How are you? Yes.

Yes, my fishing buddy speaks. If I was you right now, I'd be so emotionally drained. Thank you so much. for doing this and it's been awesome and it's been such a great remembrance. So, great job. I loved the man. You know, it's real easy when it's not about you. This isn't about me. You know, it's like it's just, all I'm doing is helping facilitate stories and recollections of that guy. And he deserves it. And I think a lot of us didn't put, you know, have it kind of dialed in. You know, maybe you did Bernsey, like have it.

dialed in because you add the retirement right next to you. But like for me, to listen to everybody and talk to everybody is just, it's just been really, really wonderful. And it continues, Russ, you knew him really well. Tell people about your relationship with Terry Boers. Russ is our production director and has been for a long time. Yeah. I started, you know, in August of 92 and I was an intern. And back then, I think most of you would agree that that was a little bit of the wild west of radio. And you could get away with being, like, extra creative, if you will. And we could push the envelope.

And I was allowed to do whatever I wanted to back then. And nobody said anything. And I would just, if I thought something would be funny, I would do it. And wouldn't ask anyone. And we'd just put it on a cart and we'd hand it to a producer and they'd put it on the air. And one thing I did early on was I kind of took the whole self-deprecating humor thing. Like I thought that was the route to go. And I was making fun of our show hosts in a lot of the promos.

And I remember doing making fun of the heavy fuel crew with something. and Terry comes back to the studio one day, and he's like, hey, you know that promo you did? He's like, keep doing that. That's the direction we need to go in. And that was like my carte blanche to keep doing it. Not everybody agreed, but Terry did. Well, you know, also too, Russ,

and I think this is something good I understand more now that I'm working with another production director where I am on the other building, Kevin Kosky, who's just a sweetheart of a guy. And I met... He was a pretty good Minnesota twin as well. When I first was introduced to him, and I was like, oh, this is the Russ Matera over here. And when I started out of quiet woman,

I'm like, oh, so you're the guy that really knows people. I said, because Russ Matera is the guy who, because people spend time in a soundproofed room, usually one-on-one with Russ. Russ is part therapist He's everybody's therapist People say stuff to Russ Because it's usually the

The end of the day Some of you're done work You go in there and you talk to him And one thing Cause was saying it's like Oh yeah Because people always tell me stuff And that's why you never know

When there's something's being recorded in here You know you always got to It's all on tape Yeah because you got to understand that But you and there's also an opportunity For gentle humanity But see but Russ and Terry Like Russ I think you

Met a lot to Terry in a lot of those quiet time. You always had your one-on-one time with him. Would he be in there recording stuff for being silly and all that? I just know that you get an opportunity to know him where that door was closed and it's just the two of you.

And that's, sometimes you just got him in different moments or with his settings a little bit different sometimes. You didn't always get Terry when he was setting at a 10. Sometimes it was at a 6. and he could be he could certainly be a little different in those times yeah you know we it's funny because him and i never talked shop right you know even when he comes in to record um you know we would we would never talk about work it did you know him and i are both southwest suburb guys so we had

that in common and we talk about that he he loved cars um you know we talk about that kind of stuff I was thinking back to old Belmont moments. You know how we had that little goofy parking lot that fit three cars? And it was where everybody would go to where there's Zubas and smoke cigars. And I remember at one point, Terry kind of, he was so excited because he finally had this moment where he bought a Corvette. and it was like a cool thing for him. And I remember him telling me that he went down to the factory to pick this up. And there it was.

And geez, I think it was pewter-colored from what I remember. I might be totally wrong on this. But maybe it was a completely different show host. But from what I remember, what's Terry? No, Terry's vet. That was a big deal. Yeah. Yes, that was a big day.

When we got to Camero, it was a big deal too. But nothing was like that Dodge Char. He was, he was always, always chasing the relationship he had with that, with that Dodge Charger. I, yeah, I remember that. It's, that and, Russ, the, you know, did Terry struggle at all recording stuff along the way? Because that's an opportunity for you to be helpful and supportive as that health got worse, you know? No, no, you know, I mean, he, he was, he was, he had no troubles. He knew what he had to do

And if, you know, if something needed a little Reworking wheat, you know, hey, you know, just give me this one line. I'll pop it in there and, you know, I'll splice it in or whatever. But yeah, no, he was a pro and did not struggle too much. And, you know, it was easy for him. He understood. And him and I had been doing it so long. Yeah.

It was, you know, he knew what we were looking for and he'd come in. And he, like, kind of wouldn't pre-read scripts, you know, and just kind of go with it. Halfway through the script, he might stop and laugh and, you know, start over again. And when he realized what he was actually reading. Yeah, understood. So we would get a chance sometimes to go to these dinners that Mitch put together. And it was lovely to be there. I was only at one or two of them, maybe just one of them.

But, like, but you were there a lot, Russ. that you were one of the last of us to see, Terry. Is that true? Yeah. I had lunch with him before he was off to Florida. And we would always do lunch at

Fox's pub and Molkina because, as he would say, it's a home game. So we'd go over there and he was telling me that he had some kind of new health problem and his, you know, his His leg was swollen and, you know, and it sounded horrible.

And I was a little concerned because I could tell he was concerned. And, you know, yeah, something felt a little different about that one. It was a little more concerning. And we parted ways and that was it. And a couple months later, I emailed him, just say, hey, how's it going? And he's like, I'm concerned. And that was the last communication I had. with him, you know, and I'm trying to like lift them up a little bit, be uplifting and say,

you know, you'll be fine. You know, we'll see you next in the summer when you're back home here. And that was it. So we never did make it to that. But yeah, he will be sorely, sorely missed. Thank you, Russ. Appreciate you very much. Thanks, Russ. You bet. Thanks, guys. Much love to Russ Matera. It's heavy, man. You know, it's, 75 is a pretty good. It's too young. It's a good life, but it's, in this day and age, it's too young. My dad passed away in June at 92, and I really loved the last 17 years of his life.

I'm very fortunate. He loved the last 17 years of his life. But it's, you know, I've been thinking a lot about grief these past six months and how it comes and goes, and sometimes you laugh, sometimes you cry, and it's just, you don't know exactly how or when it's going to hit you. And sometimes I find myself, being hard on myself, am I doing it right? Am I, why aren't I more sad? Why should, this is unfair. I'm not entitled to be laughing or having all of these good memories. There needs to be some actual grief. There needs to be some reconciliation with the loss.

And then you catch yourself, you know, why am I holding myself to the standard? And then you talk to older, wiser people who've been through it and who know better, who say, you have your moments and they're yours. And it's okay. And it's okay. And it's been a lot. You know, I had, I rarely talk to my therapist when it's not a scheduled time to talk. but you know yesterday it was just it was a lot and I was compelled I said look I need a half hour from you because we got to I got there's some stuff we got to go through here and it's hard it's

hard because Terry's families in Florida you know they're not here it's it's hard because there's just I've been trying and trying to do right by everybody who's sending condolence everybody's emailing or reaching out on Instagram or wherever it's been because I don't you know there's several other places I don't even look anymore for obvious reasons but some of the DMs from people I know and going through that and getting back to people. And it's, it, it takes a lot out of you to, to do it. But it's, but when it's, when it's for Terry and all this stuff is so real, so genuine. And everybody's memories are personal and different and so special, so special that,

that I don't, I have to take a break and say, look, I feel like I'm going through my God, there's another 10, another 15 coming in, of everybody having their, but each one to them is so significant, so personal, so important and so indelible. I'm inspired by hearing about the listeners' relationships with him. I really am, you know, it's, uh, there's, you know, what, what I've always aspired to and dreamed of is building a community like he built with two different shows, which is insane, that he was able to do. that. Let's talk to a man who put these guys together on the air.

Bors and Bernstein put them together back in August of 99. And before that, he was in charge of Boers and McNeil and everybody else among the score originals. He is the goose. Your listeners change every 15 minutes. Ron Gleason is with us. He's

in retirement. Are you out west? Somewhere warm, I'm told. Hello, Ron. Yeah, 72 degrees. Sunshine. It's beautiful. I don't miss the cold. I don't miss the snow. I miss the score. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, here you are on the score. Ron, did you know that Terry Boers was capable of becoming the talent that he became?

Yes, 100%. So it's interesting how this all kind of began, the genius of the station at the beginning, really back to the spring of 91, Seth Mason, Vice President Diamond Broadcasting. They wanted a station to sell in tandem with. WXRT, and he really started by hiring Tom Scher and Dan McNeil. And then after that, we had conversations. He was talking to people. We talked in the summer.

I agreed to join the station as the first program director, and I'd never been a program director before. I was an on-air guy, but I had agreed to join, but not until they got their license. And because of all kinds of legal ramifications, et cetera, they didn't. get their license until December. But Seth would reach out to me and say, what do you think of this guy? You know, listen to this tape.

What do you think about this? And, you know, he asked me about Terry Boers one day, and I said, fantastic. I mean, I would listen to him. Back when he was on the sports writer's show and WGN Radio, and he was absolutely terrific. And I loved his sound,

his energy, his enthusiasm, his, said clearly his sense of humor and everything else. What I didn't know as much about Terry was his serious side and how he could take an awful thing that was happening in the world and crafted in a way that every single person could relate to. I give you an example. Literally, you know, by the way, my wife also was a big Terry fan, even though she's not a sports fan and the glass we have from his retirement, like a drinking cup, that's her favorite glass. And she actually said something to me today when we were talking briefly. She said,

you know, my favorite Terry moment I was listening. And Mike Tyson had been accused of sexual misconduct with a woman in a hotel room. No, it was rape. Yeah. Well, that was the accusation. Right, right. And so a caller calls in and said, this was her fault. She put herself in that hotel room. She put herself in that situation. She opened up to the guy. And Terry just put a halt on it, put his hand up basically and said, hey, I don't care if she was stark naked sitting on the bed. If she said no, no means no. And then hung up on the guy. And, you know, that's seriousness. or the OJ situation when the whole thing was going on and murder accusations. And Terry had a serious side, and he could take that and run with it. And he sounded like an incredible human being. And that to me is my strongest memory of terror. He was hysterical.

He was smart. But he was a tremendous human being. And when you're working with a bunch of lunatics and a funny farm, like the score was, you know, in the 90s, when the play started with all these type A's, and you get arguments and disagreements and everything else, Terry wasn't that guy. No. Terry was the guy you could talk to, say, hey, I'd like to do something this way, and he would go along and do it. I loved him.

He was terrific. Especially as, I would say, I'm trying to think of a kind word as volatile as McNeil could be back then. And it was part of why that show worked. worked, but some of the off-the-air stuff where you had rivalries between shows and between personalities that Terry was able to transcend some of that stuff. And especially a lot of this stuff where I was before I got there, which felt like an eternity, the two years or three years, whatever it was before I got there. It was a little, about two and a half years.

And it was already lore already, some of the things that happened. But it just sounded like that everybody knew that he was kind of above. some of that silliness. He wasn't going to be punching anybody in the hallways. He wasn't going to be worried about, did you take this idea or that was mine or this guest or that guest? His whole thing was, I'll let him

that, they'll deal with it. Look at, look at, damn that deal. He's looking at him. He's all angry. And he would make fun of people because he didn't have time for that because it was silly. Yes. So much of the stuff that went on in the early going

was competition between shows. We were competing against other stations that weren't doing sports at the time, but they were doing male talk, if you will, trying to reach the same demographic we were trying to get to. But the infighting sometimes was crazy. All the guy, look, we hired type A personalities, and we did it for a reason,

because they're entertaining, they're emotional, and you wanted people to be effusive in praise as well as they would, you know, ripped the crap out of individual sports athletes, teams, et cetera. You wanted all of that. You wanted the emotional end of it. And that was important. But I was a type B manager.

And so I would have to deal with all that. It was kind of entertaining sometimes. There would be screaming matches, right? I mean, I would be screaming at guys after they'd be screaming at me. But Terry was never part of that. Terry was much more down to earth, even though he wasn't really down to earth, right? He was above earth, if you will. He was better than Earth, but a really interesting guy.

And, you know, somebody who was a consummate newspaper guy, and I did get a chance to listen a little bit earlier when Greenie and Hanley were on. And Brian really struck a chord because there was a point. where Terry was going to quit. He didn't want to stay. He was going to stick with newspapers because newspapers were everything.

I mean, you know, they're the future. Newspapers are always going to be here. But radio is this station? I don't know what's going to happen. And it was a scary time. And I remember even Brian said to me at one point, he said, you know, you don't have Terry, you don't have a radio station.

And I don't know that I agree with that 100%, but we knew that Terry was a star. and we really wanted him around. It took a while, but he finally came around, and eventually worked full-time. But as a part-timer, it was fun because he and Brian did what we called the young sports writers on the weekend to make fun of the old sports writer's show, and they were fantastic. You know, you could pair Terry with almost anybody, and he'd be great. Even with the Dan Bernstein.

It's amazing. He was able to overcome that. Yeah, well, you know, that's why he's a great, because he's survived. somehow all those years. Real quick, I always tell the story about how when we were standing outside in the back and the alley back there around when you basically gave us the news that we were going to be doing

a show together. And it was you were going to make it Bores and Bernsey. And I remember that. You said, well, it's going to make you more accessible to the listener and all that. And it was Terry. It was Terry who said, no, no, no, no, no. It's Bernstein. That if if he's going to do this show, the name is on it.

And I never, ever, ever, ever, ever forgot that. It was immensely important. And I understand not that you were not coming from a good place. But, you know, years later, I tried to pay that forward when it was going to be, we want to make it Dan and Layla because, and I remembered what Terry did for me. And I remember having some of those conversations and thinking, no, no, no. If it's, if it's, if your name is on that show, your name's on that show. Ron, you're the best.

Go ahead. Sorry, Ron. I was just going to say the only thought process behind it was the sound of the name of the show. It wasn't about the individual per se. But, yeah, no, I remember that. And good conversations, you know, really the memories with both of you guys and where you came from, Dan, originally from Rockford, and Terry coming from newspaper. Well, yes. But, I mean, you know, think about it.

You know, guys come in, it's like Grody. Grotie, you know, we brought in from Springfield. I mean, people came from all different walks of life in different areas. And you guys hit, I knew you guys would do a great show. I didn't know it was going to last forever. How would you? How would you? How would you?

But you guys were terrific together too, and Terry is one of a kind. So, congratulations on a great day on the score. Thank you, Ron Gleason. A pleasure and an honor to talk to you. That's the guy who was the boss when I got there. Dan Bernstein, thank you for sticking around. Of course. Thank you for being here.

My pleasure. This has been wonderful to have you in studio and to have you on the station. You're doing me a favor with my grief. And in the absence, you know, Terry was not a religious guy. He grew up, he nominally went to church, but he wasn't important to him. Didn't mean a whole lot for a long time. So in the absence of some of these religious rituals, that we, for terror, there's no wake or, and those, those rituals while ancient and, and people can, you know, have different relationships with their own religions, they serve a function and they give us tent poles, they give us things where people come together to say things together, and it gives us a structure to mourning and to grief. And I've been, it's been hard for me in part because we haven't had that. And I know you and I have, you know, unfortunately, all too well worn, understores.

of some of these these rituals. This is the ritual. This is. This is what the score and what Mitch are doing today is providing something here that is giving us these ways to work through some things in our own individual ways. And it's appreciated. Even though we can say it's just radio, it's just radio. It's meaningful.

It is meaningful, particularly in the absence of other structures to make this the shared ritual. And it's really, really good. Here, here. We are here until 7 o'clock. It is the score. And a member of the Boers family will join me before the top of the hour. Chris Ranji afterwards, Lawrence Holmes will be on with Chris Ranji.

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and it stripes, and we plan to do just that. We're back with more of honoring an original, a Terry Boers celebration of life on the score. I, I, man, it's been a long time since I heard that full version right there. From Tom Scher, the first voice in the history of the radio station, and a dear friend of mine. We will get to that in a matter of moments. To get to Tom in a matter of moments, and we'll hear from a member of the Boers family. before the top of the hour. It speaks here with you. Been helped all day by Chris Tannahill, of course, and by Jay Zawaski, who needs to get going.

So we want to say goodbye to Jay, because you've got to go to your day job now. My day night job, yes. Puck drops at seven. Puck drops at seven. Jay Zawaski covers the Blackhawks beautifully for CHGO. Thank you for being here, man. I've said it a couple times, and I am just honored to be asked to be part of this thing. And Terry was so special to all of us, and I think you're hearing that. the airwaves today and if everyone has seen it on social media, we're seeing it from texters,

hearing it from callers throughout the week. Terry was just, I don't know, I said it on Twitter. The word beloved is used a lot and kind of freely and kind of flippantly now, but Terry was truly beloved. Everybody here loved Terry Bores. You did.

Yes, of course. And more than just, oh, fun coworker or funny guy in the hallway, I always said that Terry was the heart of the station. and he was. He was. And it just, whatever the mood was,

whatever tension there was, he could break it. As Shep said earlier, he had an ability to sense your mood and sort of check in with you on things. And Speggs, I would say, now you sort of carry the mantle as the heart here.

So wear that with pride, man. Like, for real. I know you could take crap for it. I know when Krutz has talked about your Spiegel's feelings corner, but hold on to that. I knew we were getting to speak. those feelings corner at some point. Here we are.

It's not a bad thing. It's not a bad thing. In an industry like this, heart is needed and it is wanted and it is desired. So don't run from it. Embrace it. You're never going to be as good as Terry. I know.

We all know. Yep. Thanks for. I would say, not even like close. Okay. Because I can't be. Do you want to give me?

I can't be completely sentimental. You want to give me a detailed PowerPoint? Do you have something ready? I'm working on it. I'm on my fifth draft. But no, continue that. Do not hide. from your feelings.

The station needs a heart and you are the one providing it right now and it's wonderful. But just awesome to be part of today and to hear all the stories and, man, Russ really got to me. I did not expect to hear the story Russ told about his last conversation with Terry and just how concerned he was. And as someone, I lost my dad in July. And I've always sort of thought Terry and my dad sort of in a similar situation of just ailment after ailment and just the suffering that they've. both gone through for so long.

And I think I would imagine Terry's family feels some bit of relief along with the sadness for everything he's been through because I know I did with my dad too. I'm just glad you're not suffering anymore. So rest and peace of Terry and all my best to the Boris family. And again, thanks to you guys and Tanny and Spigs and Mitch and everybody for welcoming me back. It's like I knew exactly what to do when I sat down here. It's like I ride a bike. I know.

And I think it's the same chair. Yeah. And you look good on a bike. It's totally natural. Thank you. Thank you, Jay. Love you, too. Thanks, man.

It's Jay Zawaski right there. We will talk right now to Tom Share, the first voice ever heard on the score, and a dear friend and a man who knew Terry very, very well. Hi, Tom. Matt, hello, and thank you so much for finding time for me here. I'm glad we coordinated. I'm coming to you from the airport in Hong Kong. My wife and I are on a trip to Asia. I love that you wanted to make time to make sure to be here and talk about, Terry.

I know that he was kind to you, beyond giving you crap and introducing himself as you when he would go to ballparks. And all of those things, I know that you knew his heart, right? Oh, absolutely. And look, we were two totally different people. You know, he would get on the air and say things and use language and things that I just wouldn't do. But I didn't think he was wrong. had a different way. And sometimes we would clash because of that. But at the end of the day, as I told Rosenblum, Steve, the other day, you knew Terry had your back. And he was a very good guy.

He would ask how my kids were doing. When I left the score, he called me at least three times. As we went to all these reunion things over the years, the pictures I sent Mitch Rosen recently were from the 20th anniversary and the 30th, two different pictures. We would just have great conversations. And, you know, I would reach out to him, and I would never ask specifically about his health. He didn't want to talk about it, and I wouldn't do it. How you doing? I'm just sent in. I picked up from you, Matt, your favorite phrase, good vibes, babe. So I would text Harry or call him and say, I'm just setting some positive vibes your way. And the last time, our most recent exchange, he always would come back with something nice, but this time he said,

you'll always be in my heart. And I thought, all right, he's facing some new things, I can just tell. But he wouldn't burden you with that. He just wanted to say something nice to you. Yeah, he was a kind guy, a good guy, funny guy. And I'll tell you, the one thing nobody, I don't know who, I've been in the air flying over the Pacific Ocean. So I don't know who said what on your show today. I'm looking forward to hearing it later.

I'm sure everybody was wonderful. But I haven't heard this said about Terry. Terry was a pioneer. A lot of TV, a lot of sports writers went to TV, Will McDonough, Jackie McMullen, Mitch Albom, Bob Ryan, people like that. But none of them became Monday through Friday talk show hosts until Terry and Randy Galloway in Dallas

and Angelo Cotaldi in Philadelphia. The three of them became very successful, 25 years or more, talk show hosts, and they all retired on their own terms. Terry embraced the medium. he was one of the pioneers. I think he should get a lot of credit for that from among the, you know, the Legion of Sportswriters who wanted to get into broadcasting as the years went on. That's really good context, Tom.

Appreciate you. And I'm really glad we got a chance to talk. And safe travels. Enjoy yourself over there. And thanks for being such a good steward of the origins of the station, the way that you have been for so many years. Appreciate you. Well, it's my pleasure.

it's one of the great achievements that we all share. And I'm glad that Mitch Rosen continues to uphold the tradition, as do you. I think Jay Zawaski hit the nail in the head. And it continues, and I'll do anything I can, because Terry did everything he could do. God bless him. Thank you. Thanks, Tom. Appreciate you.

That's Tom, Cher, right there here on the score. I want to say a few thank yous before we talk to a member of the Boers family. Thank you to Mitch Rosen for immediately realizing we needed to do something. at the family's request and finding a way to do it with the usual care and grace with which he has. Thank you to Ryan Porth for helping to facilitate everything that he helps facilitate, and it's a lot. Russ Matera for the wonderful production work and his heart of gold, which is felt in everything. Alex Coon has been here all day helping doing anything, and even just now has stepped in for Jay Zawaski as Jay has had to take off.

Ray Diaz has been here and working behind the scenes helping. Tyler Buterbaugh is a terrific part of the score team. And thank you to all the guests on the show today. You can go back and listen to all of it on the Odyssey app. George Offman, John Suntris, Mattabatacola, Jason Gough, Mike North, Dan Jiggets, Patrick Roissy, Mike Leaterman, Jason Benetti, Mike Greenberg, Brian Hanley, Judd Sarat, Paul Zerang, Dave Miska, Adam Hogue, Mike Mulligan, Chad Ocho Feldman. He's the one who gets a nickname?

That was what Terry's nickname for him? Dan Zampillo. What was Terry's nickname for him? Just move on. Just move on in the next name. Rick Camp. Joe Estrowski. Brendan McCaffrey. Nick Shepkowski. Matt Rodewald, Chris Ranji, Julie Swike Gannon, Dan Bernstein, Danny Parkins,

Russ Matera, Ron Gleason, and Tom Scher. Chris Tadahill, I know how much you loved Terry Boers and how much you have been thinking about doing him right. And I know how hard you work. And believe me, you have done his legacy proud today. I hope so. It's been a world win the past few days. You know, it's grieving publicly is not an easy thing I'm learning. I was certainly doing plenty of it privately.

And it's been very helpful to see a lot of my guys here because I love. A lot of people that were here today. I love all the people that chose to spend a few minutes of their day today. And I just adored Terry so much. And I wrote a column for the score. I decided to copy Speegs and just sort of purge my brain of these thoughts. Because Saturday morning, Rosenblum asked me to come on and share about Terry. And I was not quite ready at that point.

And boy, I'm glad I made that decision and didn't go on because I really truly wasn't ready. I still don't think I am really. So I decided to get those thoughts out there. So if anyone wants to read those, it's more of my story through the lens of how Terry influenced me over the years and how I'm here today because of him. But this is in a lot of ways the show I hope to never be a part of, to be honest with you. I was privileged enough to be a part of his retirement broadcast and, you know, several years leading up to that.

And it's just I can't believe that we're already at the end of the show today. but I want to thank Rosenblum for helping me on Saturday, helping a lot of us and put them in the score Hall of Fame for that performance on Saturday, man. The Score of Sales Hall of Fame, where Jeff Fritz resides? Exactly. Shout out to Fritzie, by the way. And just shout out to Rosenblum because I was able to listen to that show on Saturday,

process my thoughts, still doing a little bit of crying along the way. I wouldn't think, you know, seeing the back page of the Sun Times with Terry. Some things make it really real. and final, and that's very sad. But there is something that really made me laugh out of Rosenblum show, and we'll lead us into our next guest here. And let's just hear it. Let's go to the phone.

Josh, welcome to the score. How are you? Hi, I'm doing good. How are you doing? I'm doing okay. I'm getting through. I'm laughing at things Terry Bors said, so I won't cry about his loss. I'm his grandson, Josh, Boris.

I got a good story for you. We're talking about how he just seemed person on and off the air. So back when me and my brother were, like, really young, he used to drive around Dodge Durango with the racistrate on it. And he didn't, he didn't like idiots, right? No. He said about the air and stuff. No, he suffered no fools.

He used to swear these people on the road, he called bags and ass hats in front of me and my brother when we were young. And then we'd go repeat that to my parents, and they would not be too happy. happy with him or else. Isn't that great to have that kind of grandpa? He teaches the language of the street as only Terry can. Yeah.

Josh, thank you for the call. Proud father of Josh Boers. One can only imagine Joe Boers joins us right now. One of Terry Boers' four sons. Did your son, Josh, learn cursing well? Is he good at cursing these days? He learned, you know, meat pants. from the best. So it was, he was texting me during that, and Rosenblum, he did such a wonderful

job and Saturday was emotional. But he texted me and he said, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to call. And I said, go for it. I didn't think I had to have the talk with him about swearing on the radio. And so, you know, he hangs up and he says, hey, I think they cut me off. I'm like, well, you can't swear. I know exactly what you were going to say, but you can't swear, you know. Joe, go ahead. Yeah. Go ahead.

Well, that was one of the things that we affectionately call them pops, and everybody calls him Terry or whatever, but we call them pops here in the family. And that was definitely one of the things that he instilled in his four boys, and it got passed on to the grandkids, is that aggressive driving. It wasn't, it wasn't anger. It was just, get out of my way.

I'm going somewhere. with more words than what he said. God, it's nice to hear you. It's nice to think about Terry as a dad and a grandpa. What kind of dad and grandpa was Terry? You know, and it goes back to him, like maybe even second-guessing his time to go to the score when he left the Sun-Times. And, you know, they're getting zero ratings. And he's like, did I do the right thing?

and, you know, am I leaving at the right time? Well, he kind of did the same thing with us. Was I a good enough father that I, did I provide, did I do all that? And, of course, he did because, you know, growing up, we had experiences. And, you know, I was talking to my brother about this. When he covered the bowls, and I doubt this happens today, those beatwriters, I don't know if they get to take their kids to the practices like we went. And you guys had talked about the old church.

There was, they practiced at some dingy church, you know, back in the 80s. and we were there running around, probably annoying everybody. And we didn't know, and honestly, we didn't care, and I don't think he cared either. But, you know, we were there several times, and me and my brother had snowball fights with Dave Gorsene, and, you know, 1988 when the Bulls host, the NBA All-Star game, we're in the tunnel.

And those teams must have taken a bus, or I'm not sure how they got there, but we're talking to Warner Sanders, and Jordan walks up and talks to him, and me and my brother is just standing there in awe. and then in comes all the NBA All-Stars walking right past us. So, you know, magic and Larry Bird and Worthy and Dominique Wilkins. And it's like, holy cow, I'm in another world as like a 10 or 12-year-old, you know.

Wow. So we grew up with experiences, and I think he must have forgotten that because we remember it. It was, we were privileged enough to do all that. And he was a great father. I mean, you know, he taught us everything we know. He raised four successful boys. He's got six grandkids, and he was excellent. I'm glad to know that.

And, you know, people say it, but I have an opportunity to ask you. Have you felt over these last few days, and hopefully you felt today what he has meant to so many people, Joe? I can't stop thinking about the line that one of the callers in Tanny's montage that he made when your pops retired, he said, quote, I love you. I've never met you, but I love you. I mean, that's the effect that he had on thousands and thousands of people. Yeah, so I must be an imbecile because I never realized the impact. I did a little bit, especially when he was getting closer retirement.

I never realized the impact that he actually had and the friends that he made and kept. But I realize that now At the beginning of this I'm like, there's no way they could fill a show for seven hours Talking about my dad There's no way You know Talk about this boob for seven hours

But I'll be damned It got done You know We could do a few more I gotta tell you man Chris Ranji is doing a couple more In fact Chris Ranji is doing a couple more How about nine

Plus Rosenblooms three Yeah Oh boy Maybe that's where all the haters call up I don't know I haven't heard any of those You know, it's funny, they disappear. They always disappear.

But your dad didn't have many, man. I don't think he did. You know why, Joe, he was honest. Like, an honesty and the truth, it's hard to be honest. You hurt people's feelings, and people get pissy when you hurt their feelings sometimes when you're telling them the truth. But the truth is maddening. The truth is funny. as hell.

And your dad was funny because he told the truth. He made it, he made you laugh with the truth. You know what I mean? He did. Yeah. And the detractors and the haters and, you know, there was,

there was very few. It's true. And it's undeniable. And his truth was undeniable. You couldn't really hate on it because it was just him. That's very true. It's a good way of putting it.

Yeah. I agree. Amen. Thank you, Joe. Thank you for loaning your pops to us all those years. and thank your kids and your nephews and nieces for loaning their grandpa to them. We loved them. Yeah, absolutely.

And you did such a wonderful job at running the train today and sitting in that driver's seat. I mean, I know it's not easy. It's probably a long day for you, but how wonderful was it? Our family thanks you. Tana Hill putting those pieces together. I'm not even sure how you can find some of those pieces that were on tapes, probably sitting in the dusty room, but you did it. Probably took a long time, and we appreciate it.

My mom, Peach, is so happy with everything that, that just in the last couple days with Rosenblum, and yesterday we were listening, and today, I mean, as a family, we really couldn't ask for more. Joe, please give your mom Carol or Peach, as you called her, as Terry would call her, please give her our love and our condolences, all right? Right, absolutely. And Mitch, we thank him from the bottom of our heart. He has been absolutely fantastic during this whole thing. All right. Thank you, Joe. We appreciate it. Thank you.

Appreciate it. Man. What a wonderful opportunity this has been for all of us to pay homage to Terry Boers. A great, great man, great radio man, but a great man above it all. I'm going to try and carry some stuff that I heard today forward through the rest of my life and my career. Folks, don't take everything so damn seriously. He didn't. And it worked out pretty damn well for him.

Good night, everybody. Chris Ranji is next here on the score. The most pleasing thing that I could leave behind is that people, they listen to the station. I mean, there is a connectivity to this that I never would have dreamed possible. And it is, it is real. It is lasting. It's going on a long time, kids, and it'll go on for a lot damn longer now. I'm Jenna Fisher.

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