Rahimi, Harris & Grote Show - Danny Parkins: Caleb Williams is the most talented quarterback in Bears history (Hour 4)

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

In the final hour, Marshall Harris and Mark Grote were joined by FS1 host Danny Parkins to discuss how Bears quarterback Caleb Williams is already the best at his position in franchise history, the Bulls' outlook as the trade deadline looms and more. After that, Harris and Grote examined Bulls icon Derrick Rose's candidacy for the Hall of Fame.

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They went to the Super Bowl in 06, NFC championship game in 2010. But in terms of you have the coach, you have the quarterback, and they're going to be there for a decade. This was so unbelievably exciting. Bears, plenty of reason to doubt them. Caleb Williams, no. Former host of 670 The Score before he abandoned us. It's a Caleb Williams custom, baby. Jersey number one is going to the Raptors. You guys made it seem like at Chicago Bears fans, we had our guy, Danny Parkins, all these guys.

Danny Parkins on 670 The School. Wait, that's it. That's him. He's Parko. He's such a parko. It's Rahimi Harrison Grotie on Chicago Sports Radio 670 to score. And yeah, Danny P. joining us right now on the Circa Resort and Casino hotline, circa Las Vegas.com. Danny, you sounded great on the score yesterday. That must have been pretty cool to be a part of that tribute to Terry Boers and his life yesterday and what you were able to share, my friend.

Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I was honored when Speeks called me and asked to be a part of it. you know, obviously many people worked with Terry Moore, but Speigs won it. He knew kind of the student of the game that I am and that I grew up as a, as a listener of B&B, and wanted me to speak to his impact on me from a listener and then my relationship with him. And, you know, it was just, I went, like I said, I went down the rabbit hole of old clips and Bores and Bernstein fans are so lucky that there's such a great archive of them available on YouTube and, you know, old emails. Terry and I would correspond.

ahead of radiathons. And so we would talk a little bit about health and nothing crazy. He didn't love talking about it. We traded stories over having back surgeries with each other one time. But, you know, he said one time he was like, you know, just something to the effect at the end of one of his emails, you know, like, you're a tremendous talent. The station is in great hands. Love Terry. And I was like, man, it was just like getting that blessing from someone who he didn't owe that one to me at all.

And I know he was gracious with compliments, so I'm not like stretching to pat myself on the back. But like, you know, when you were hired at such a young age, it's such a lifelong radio guy to work at such a big station. And then you see, you know, Mac go out, how it ended and how Bernsey went out. And like, you know, Terry got to be, go out like in terms of retire. But like he's had many times. Like he didn't really get to, he would have kept going if not for the health stuff. It just makes me more appreciative. I wasn't there for forever seven, eight years, but like being able to go out of my own terms

and get the blessing from guys like Mack and Bernstein and Terry who thought I did a good job with it, it means a lot. Yeah, no doubt, man. And it is. It's heavy when you get a compliment from somebody like Terry Bores. So I totally get to what you're saying. I also don't want to hear about your back surgery. So, yeah, I'm like totally in line with that. Yeah, yeah, I get it.

Yeah, I get it. I just, you know, I've, you know, it's part of your story. Trying to be relatable. Yeah, yeah. Trying to be vulnerable, but, I mean, feel free to stop on it. I'm glad you're back's okay, Danny. You know, you're an old guy with a cat, so you can't handle any emotional. Wow.

Shots fired. I am sorry about your zigzag back, okay? Yeah. Does that make it better? I understand. No, listen, it's just like a traumatic thing that happened to me in my formative years. It's not a big deal. We don't have to talk about it.

If it makes you uncomfortable, bro. Well, well, if this makes you. feel better, better. I was referred to today as a boomer. Because if you're over the 37 years of age, you're a boomer. 37 seems very arbitrary by the way. I don't know, 40. Okay, 41. If you're over the age of 41 and you have a take that's a little old school, and it wasn't really even a take, which I guess could lead us into, I was going to go a different direction. But now here we are. Here we are. What I brought up, Danny, was because, and I'll let Marshall talk here, we did a full hour today, Danny.

On the following question is... It wasn't a question. It wasn't a question. It was a statement. You give your statement. The statement is very simple, Danny. Caleb Williams is the best quarterback

the Bears have ever had. Point blank period. Sid Lugman, of course, is the most accomplished quarterback that the Bears have ever had. But much like the T offense, the Model T, gone out of style,

those things are old and decrepit. And we're talking about the current NFL. And certainly, in my opinion, Caleb Williams has shown himself to be the best player to play the position. And I brought up, Danny, just to bring it full circle and the Boomer reference, I said, of course, I'm not necessarily saying Marshall is wrong, but you have to bring up guys like Jim McMahon. You have to bring up guys like Jake Cutler just to do a little cross-checking and a little bit of debating. But where do you stand on Marshall's definitive statement?

I mean, he's obviously objectively correct. I predicted. By the way, I predicted that. That's the only prediction I've gotten right this year that Danny would agree with Marshall. Well, hold on. Like, listen, when people have these conversations and they're great, sports radio, barbershop, whatever. Like, I do think it is relatively instructive to talk about what we're talking about here. Like, Tom Brady is considered the greatest quarterback of all time. People don't really dispute that. I don't find that conversation to be quite as interesting because it is just a measurement of a, accomplishments. It's just like I'm looking at your trophy case. Now, if you were saying, who is the most talented quarterback of all time? I find that a little bit more interesting,

because it brings in like skill set and some nuance. So like, Jim McMahon, yeah, he, he has a Super Bowl and Caleb Williams doesn't. So is that, but is that the only art? Because he obviously is not more talented than Caleb Williams. And like, we can't put Sid Luckman into perspective, because none of us were alive to know anyone who was alive to watch the guy playbys. Right, exactly. Like, you know, obviously that's hyperbolic. But you don't understand. I'm saying, like, modern era football as we understand it,

Caleb Williams is clearly the most talented player the Bears have ever had to play the position. And how about this? Just like, touchdown the interception ratio to start a career. First 34 games of a career. First, basically, two seasons of playing. since 1970. Lamar Jackson, 47 touchdowns against nine picks. Patrick Mahomes, now he sat out most of his first year, but first 34 games, so basically year two and

three of Mahomes, pretty good, 85 touchdowns against 18 interceptions, and Caleb Williams, 47 touchdowns against 13 interceptions. He's behind Lamar and Mahomes for best touchdown interception ratio, first 34 games of his career. Like, he is, without a doubt, objectively, talented quarterback in the history of the Bears organization. And if you guys need to be like, well, he needs to win, he has to pass Eric Kramer with wins, like, fine. But I'm just not terribly interested in that. No, no, I completely agree. And that's kind of the point that I was laying out. Because when Grotie went hard to do his cross-checking, if you will,

he found two guys, and neither of those guys were very inspiring to me in terms of I watched the tape. If you watch, if you have eyes, it's like believe what your lying eyes tell you, or no, you listen to what somebody says? about a guy who, as you said, has a trophy in his case. It's pretty simple and cut and dry to me. I think this is more about working through not only Mark Grody, but the city of Chicago's PTSD and the low bar of what quarterback play has been for the Chicago Bears in recent memory. Yeah, but I mean, listen, I'm not doing radio on the score every day.

I like to think that I have a pretty decent poll still of Bears fans. Are you getting pushback for this opinion, Marshall? minimal pushback. We had one caller. It was hilarious. He called in. How did he start the call, Grody? Patrick.

Patrick called us. Yeah, he came around. He was like, ah, did you know, I have it. He's had interceptions in big games. And I was like, but look at the context of the interception. Like if you throw a pick on fourth down and it's just a punt, who cares? Also, he at the end of the call said, but tell me, who is the best quarterback in Bears' history? He said, it's Caleb Williams.

So, like, even the pushback has been minimal. I just want everyone to be comfortable saying it out loud, you know? I feel like people know it. I can't imagine why you wouldn't be. And it would be a really weird, fatalistic, almost like White Sox fan mentality to be like to bitch and moan for our entire lives that we've never had a good quarterback in Chicago, then get a good quarterback in Chicago, say that he's the best quarterback we've ever had in Chicago, and then want to defend the guys that we used to bitch you a month.

Hey, you know, he might not actually be better than color. Well, then the disclaimer... That'd be a weird pivot. No, no, you're right, but the disclaimer part of this is incredibly important. Marshall's been very careful to point it out, to his credit, that the field ain't great. The bar is low. That's my point. And so the problem is that it's still a big statement, though.

It still is something that one has to digest it and think about it. Maybe he is. For two minutes. But it's also two years. Okay, I used the analogy earlier. Like, Marshall meets a girl. He wants to move in with her in the second week. he's engaged to her in six months.

I mean, are we moving too fast just having this topic right now? That's the question. If I meet the right girl, guess what? Yeah. The two things you just said will happen in that in short order. Same. We're too old to be messing around, man. What are you talking about?

If I meet a girl, Danny, who is smart, accomplished, beautiful, and who doesn't live in a bubble and realizes the world is bigger than what she sees, I'm in. I'm good. I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean, listen. I agree with that. If you know, you know, don't be afraid to dive into the deep end with your quarterbacks or with your living situation. You can always get divorced. That's always there for you.

It's a good thing these days. Yeah. Louis C.K. says the best part about marriage is the divorce. He has an incredible bet. He's like, because my divorce just keeps getting better. Every day is better. Every day is better than the last. So, yeah, that is a great Louis bit.

But yeah, listen, I just, again, I can't imagine there's much pushback against that notion because we've been waiting a long time for this. And now, how good Caleb is to the rest of the NFL, like, the goal guys is to no longer ever have to mention the name Jay Cutler or Eric Kramer or Jim McMahon again. And that's so true. Be comparing Caleb Williams to Drake May. Compare Caleb Williams to Aaron Roger. compare Caleb Williams to Patrick Mahomes. Like that's the goal. Like compare him to the greats of the game, the greats of his era, the greats of his draft class, things like that.

Like hopefully this is a – maybe it's not extinct yet, but this is like an endangered species, sports talk radio topic. It is. That is the voice of Danny Parkins. He's on Zoom right now. You can follow him on X, Twitter, if you'd like, at Danny Parkins, nice and easy. and check out Danny on the newly expanded First Things, first OT from 4 to 5 p.m. on FS1. That's Fox Sports 1. Danny, I think that a lot I was thinking about you, and I think a lot of our score listeners had to have been thinking about you when Mike McCarthy was introduced

as the new head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers, and just to whiteboard that a little bit for the folks who don't know, Danny was highly critical of Mike McCarthy in his time here at the score, and I would imagine even in your other radio lifetime. So how did that hit you? As objectively hilarious, as the Spider-Man meme

coming to life in the form of going from Mike Tomlin to Mike McCarthy, like Mike McCarthy managed to win one Super Bowl with Prime Aaron Rogers, the most talented quarterback, arguably in the history of the sport.

He coached and managed the worst football game I've ever seen to this day, the 2014 NFC championship game against Seattle, where he repeatedly kicked field goals from the one-yard line with Aaron Rogers as his quarterback and squandered a 16-point lead with five minutes to go in the game, just an astonishing level of game management and competence in that spot, took the Cowboys job, said that he watched every Cowboys game, in the off season when in his year off was asked about at his introductory press conference, said he was lying about that just to get the job.

And everyone chuckled. I'm like, I don't know. That feels like plagiarism to me. Like, I feel like that should have avoided the contract. Then he gets to go from Aaron Rogers to the Dallas Cowboys. Hmm, what's the other most historic organization in the NFL? Charmed. And this guy gets the coach, the Pittsburgh Steelers.

It's absurd. Here's some numbers for you. Mike McCarthy playoff win-loss record since winning his Super Bowl in 2010. He's six and nine. Second worst of any coach with 10-plus games behind Tomlin. You'd say, well, it's something to get to 10-plus playoff games, and it is. But who's the worst coach since their Super Bowl win with 10 or more playoff appearances? It's Mike Tomlin at 5 and 11.

Mike Tomlin would be just good enough to get you to the playoffs and then lose. Mike McCarthy is just good enough to get you to the playoffs and then lose. me old-fashioned, but I think that there's value in being bad for a year strategically so you can step forward. The last time the Steelers had a losing record, they were six and ten. The next year, they drafted Ben Rothlisberger. The year after that, they won 15 games. The year after that, they won a Super Bowl. There was a pretty famous losing season for the Steelers way back in 1969. They won a coin flip for the number one overall pick. Took a guy by the name of Terry Bradshaw. Five years later, they won four of the next six.

Super Bowls. Like, there's value in losing. And in Pittsburgh, they just celebrate, we went nine and eight. We went 10 and 7 and lost in the wild card round. Mike McCarthy's good enough to go 10 and 7 and losing the Wildcard round. But if you actually want to win big and modern football, it's a ridiculous hire. Everybody knows that. But I tell you, Marshall. Well, all I heard was him talking about the Bulls. Oh, wait, no, you're talking about football. My bad. Yeah. Yeah. It is a boomer take, but it's right. You know what the difference, though, in the NFL, if you have an awful pick, you're guaranteed, an awful record, you're guaranteed a top pick.

In the NBA, you have an awful record. You still have to play ping pong balls with lottery and have a 14% chance, and there may or may not be a guy in that. Like, there is no value in the middle in the NFL. There's none. It is completely, like, it's why I argued correctly against the Chicago football brain trust Illuminaughty that Grotty works with all the time at House Hall about there was absolutely no value in that Bears team learning how to win.

Oh, yeah. And they should lose out so they could get the highest draft pick possible. They got that draft pick. They traded it to Carolina. They got a draft pick back who turned into Kayla Williams, who Marshall will tell you is the best quarterback in the history of the bear. Well done. Well done.

Danny is excellent. I feel uncomfortable, Danny, because we've been agreeing a lot lately, like a lot. It's been a little much. It's been a little bit. Like I say what I'm saying. But you were around, Marshall. You were not around. This was a, this was a, I mean, I was so unpopular among Bears media.

Probably still am. But like, they would write about like, no, no, no, no. I think, I think it'd be a good idea for the Justin Fields Bears to go, you know, five and 12 instead of three and 14. And there's real value in winning these games down the stretch. Oh, really? Oh, really? Oh, really?

Yeah. All that would have done was cost you the rights to Caleb Williams. Congratulations. You'd have a different left tackle right now, but you'd have no quarterback. Like, it's just, it was just nonsense. It was a whole motif here, man. Danny is on point here. I would, if I was on these airwaves back then, I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly.

Oh, there's value in learning how to win for a coaching staff and roster of players who won't be here anymore when they're good. I don't know if Fluce learned anything while he was here. Yeah. Danny, before we get you out of here, because Janice is out here. apparently available right now in the Bulls because like what you said, they don't do what they need to do and have, I don't know, that unprotected pick from the New Orleans Pelicans

which would really come in handy right about now. What should the Bulls do between now and Thursday's trade deadline because they should just sell, sell, sell, and get picks, picks, picks, but I'm afraid they're going to sell, sell, sell, and get young players in return. I mean, listen, Josh Giddy

has looked good, you know what I mean? So it's not always a bad idea if you get a young player who has a side. But to be honest with you, they are still where they've been, which is in a really tough spot. Obviously, I'm all for any unprotected or minimally protected first round draft picks for the future you can get. Those are incredibly valuable lottery tickets. But there's no chance the Bulls can win a bidding war for Janus. The only way they can win the bidding war for Janus is if Janus demands to play for the Bulls. And there's no reasonable reason

to believe that that is going to happen. I said, listen, the Bulls have players that if they traded them away for Janus, would leave Janus with no one to play with. Yeah, that's true. Danny, we got to go. Right. And Janus has power. Like, Janus has, Janus, he's going to want to go where he wants to go,

and then he's going to want to go somewhere. The whole point is to have enough left for him to be able to win when he gets there. So, you know, he would have to demand to play for the Bulls, and the bucks are not going to, that's not going to happen. There's no way. Bill Belichick's not a first ballot Hall of Famer. You think that it's an injustice, or do you think it's the right way to go? Yeah, you know, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the coach with the most Super Bowls

and the most playoff wins and the second most wins of all time. If he's eligible for a Hall of Fame that cares about those things and doesn't have a morality clause, he should be a Hall of Famer. Like if this was the baseball Hall of Fame and there was a morality clause, then it would be a reasonable debate. But since there is no morality clause, clause, and it's just supposed to be on your merits. I find it very hard to make a merit-based argument for Bill Belichick not to make it

into the Hall of Fame. He didn't see the fine print of the Petty Clause. That's what he missed. Yeah, yeah. Which, by the way, by the way, I respect. I don't agree. I don't agree with it. But like, these guys should come out and say, yeah, I don't like them.

and so I'm making them wait. Like, if you want to stand on your pettiness, I have no problem with that. It's the like, I don't remember who I voted for. Well, then, well, then you don't get a vote. Like, if you can't remember who you voted for, you should no longer be allowed to vote. Oh, absolutely. Right.

That seems like a fairly straightforward, like, cognitive line that we should be able to hold these guys to. Like, if Bill Polly, honestly, on the record said, I don't remember with 100% percent. certainty if I voted for Bill Belichick or not. Well, and I'm sorry, you no longer get to vote on these things. He's a seniler clown. That's what it comes down to him.

And, Danny, I think you were here, if I'm not mistaken, when the whole Terrell Owens thing happened, where he didn't get first ballot Hall of Fame. I yelled at everybody. Yeah. Yeah. I yelled at it. Well, yeah, same thing. But, and worse, by the way, because T.O. was only the third best receiver in the

history of the NFL. I don't wait three years. Bill Belichick is first. Like, you know, it's just a, and I understand

the like, hey, it's a slap on the wrist for cheating. Yeah, yeah, you know. I get that argument,

but then you have to be able to come out and stand on that argument, and you have to explain where in the bylaws of the Hall of Fame, they are asking you to weigh that. Like,

that's not. Shouldn't that be implied, though? No, no, I'm with him on this. You shouldn't cheat. Like, cheating is... Because baseball does have the morality clause. I get exactly what Danny's seen.

If baseball did not have the morality clause, you think bonds would be in, right? Yeah. Right. Right. And so he's out because of the morality clause. Okay. All right. I guess I think of morality clause.

I don't know. Like, there's like, is that, is that a, is cheating a moral issue? Yes. Absolutely. But isn't it borderline illegal, too? And I get it. We're parsing words here. Isn't cheating?

Cheating is illegal, right? But they punished him. Yeah. They punished him. Yeah. They didn't say in their punishment and this should be considered. And again, if a voter, if 11 voters want to come out and say, I didn't vote for Bill Belichick because the spy gate, fine. Okay.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, fine. But just, but like, come out and come out and say it. Don't, don't hide behind it or not answer for it or claim that. that you forgot, like, just like, make your case. Make your case to the public. Danny, you are a great Parkins like you always are. Thank you for coming on the show.

Thank you for being on the right side of history, by the way. And I'm thinking about your back. I will be. I will be thinking about your back. And if you think about my cat, you know, if we can have that understanding between us, I think you and I'll get along swimmingly. Thanks, Danny. I'm not going to ever think about your cat.

Bye, Danny. That is the great Danny. Parkins, former afternoon show host here at the score, and midday show host here at the score. He does his work right now. And the newly expanded First Things First OT from 4 to 5 on FS1, Danny Parkins. Let's talk more about another Hall of Fame, shall we? Let's talk about the Pro Basketball Hall of Fame. It's not even a Pro Basketball Hall of Fame. It's just the Basketball Hall of Fame.

Yes, yep. Oh, yeah, you're right, of course. That's why I'm going to explain. Billy Donovan is in because of a football Hall of Fame. work in college, of course. But let's talk about that as it pertains to Derek Rose, and Reggie Miller was talking about it, weighing in on Chicago athletes. Let's talk about all of it next here.

Rahimi Harrison Grody on the score. Rahimi Harrison Grody, midday's 10 a.m. to 2 on Chicago Sports Radio 670, the score. His leadership was also about trust, accountability, and them for informants. He showed everyone what it takes to be a great Chicago Bull and a great man. Congratulations to Derek and his entire family for this well-deserved honor. The next stop, in my opinion, is the Hall of Fame, and there is no doubt about that. And he's Tom Thibito, the former Bulls head coach, part of the ceremony, for the retiring of Derek Rose's jersey at the United Center the other day.

Rahimi Harrison Grotie on the score. As a matter of fact, Marshall, I told you I was at the Bulls-Lakers game a couple of nights ago. They were still there. It was like they showed the skybox. There's Tibbs. I'm still here! It looked hilarious. It was almost defiant looking.

There's Jo Keebnoa, who of course is an ambassador for the Bulls. But for some reason, and when I was at the Bulls game, Bulls Lakers, and I saw the, I cracked up. I'm like, he's still here. Like, Tibbs couldn't wait to get out of town. Well, I think it was more of the other side. The Bulls couldn't wait to get Tibbs out of town when he was dismissed from the Chicago Bulls. So it does make me happy, though, to see it. That everybody's in their places, everybody's happy, all that kind of stuff. Well, really, why wouldn't you stick around and watch the Lakers if they were coming into town? I guess so. Luca, LeBron, not knowing if this is LeBron's last year. And he loved Chicago. Like, Tom Thibode loved being about town,

getting himself a steak at a good steakhouse. So long as you got a good coat, good pair of gloves and a hat. You're good. Like, Tibbs is tough, man. He's Midwest tough. Is that what we are? Midwest tough? I'd like to think so. But he said it. Tom, Tibbs said it at the end there. There's no doubt in his mind that Derek Rose should be a hall of famer. As you said correctly, a basketball hall of famer. What do you say about that? Is Derek Rose, there's no doubt about it. He's going into the basketball Hall of

fame absolutely when he's eligible. Derek Rose is going to be a Hall of Famer because Derek Rose is not just contributed at the NBA level, the professional level, but he's also contributed, if you look at what he did in his one year in college, leading a team to the national championship game, if you look at how dynamic of a player

he was even in high school, Simian, those things are all factors because unlike other Hall of Fames, they call it the what football Hall of Fame? The pro football Hall of Fame. So you're measured on your professional accomplishments. In the Basketball Hall of Fame, you're measured on a variety of things. Think about all the foreign players who are also

in the Hall of Fame. Vlady Devach, you could look at a whole bunch of players. Droving Petrovich. Tony Koochooch. Tony Kooch is a great example. Who's the guy in the Lakers? Besides Vladity Dvats? No, no, not Gasol. Well, yeah, Gasol, though. But I'm saying the... The bar is so much lower for the Basketball Hall of Fame, the Naismiths Basketball Hall of Fame, than the other halls of fame. It just is.

It's lower. So Derek Rose getting in there. I can see him definitely being there. He should be there. You're right. Based on the, boy, this has been a low expectations show here today. Like our Bears conversation because the field of Bears quarterbacks is not great. Caleb Williams could be considered the greatest quarterback of all time.

Because the field of the basketball Hall of Fame is, I don't even know, suspects the right word, because nobody, I don't think anybody's ever apologized. at the basketball Hall of Fame. It is what it is. The criterion to get in are not as stringent as the other sports. Criteria there is much lower than any of the other halls of fame.

Yeah. So he wins an MVP. It's just a matter of time. It might take 10, 15 years, but he's going to get in. Let's listen to what Reggie Miller had to say about this. I would be surprised if he doesn't.

He would be the only MVP not to be in the Hall of Fame. Man, if he didn't get a heard... If he's not first ballot, I doubt he'll be first ballot, but he'll get in at some point. But for a six to eight year stretch, he was, him and LeBron were battling for who was the best player in the game. And the young as MVP, I would be surprised. At some point, he's going to get in.

All MVP's get in. I've said this on numerous occasions when I first started on this side of the aisle on calling games. I would pay. I would have paid to watch him play. He was so electrifying and his demeanor because he wasn't one of those cocky kind of guys, but he exuded confidence. And it just permeated because he, you know, he lit the other guys because Joachim Noah was the guy who was like cocky and flashy doing all the talking. And Lual Deng was, you know, quiet, kind of like D. Rose.

Coach Thibs just had those guys, oh, man, I would have paid money to watch Derek Rose. He was that electrified. It's pretty amazing when a 6'2 or 6'3-3 guy can get you to the Eastern Conference Finals and give you all those wins and dominate in a rookie year in which he got MVP and all of the awards. Again, that's Reggie Miller on the Dan Patrick show making the case. He said he did say, not right away, though. even this Hall of Fame will make you think a little bit, not first ballot for Derek Rose.

And I get it, it's duration. It really is because he was unbelievable. He was a blast of a player, but it didn't last long. It's like the best comp I could give you here is like Gail Sayers, who played for what, six years in the NFL? And he was a slam dunk first ballot Hall of Famer because of the work that he did within those time frames. So there's a little bit of that, though, with Derek Rose

where people might make him wait. Yeah, if Derek Rose had never played again after he got hurt, I don't even know if we're having this conversation in the same way, but you had a lot of years of Derek Rose off the bench, Derek Rose in a secondary and a role where he wasn't one of the best two or three players on his team. And that shapes how you remember him because that's the last way of remembering him if you're not, say, from the city of Chicago. But ultimately, it's the Basketball Hall of Fame.

The bar is very low. One more cut I want to play from Reggie Miller on The Dan Patrick Show, and that is talking about Derek Rose's legacy. And it's weird to say this, that he may mean more to Chicago because he was local than Michael Jordan. Like Jordan gave you the titles, gave you all of that,

but Derek Rose local, one of your own and becoming a league MVP and, you know, a Hall of Famer. Born and bred. At some point, that's why LeBron was so loved and then became so hated

because he was born and born in, bred in Ohio, played high school and was obviously drafted by them. And then they felt betrayal when, you know, he left and took his talents to South Beach, but made up for it by coming back and winning them, you know, their only championship. So you're right. When in terms of pecking order, yes, Michael Jordan, he has all the accolades, fantastic. But to me, the two people I will always think about in Chicago, number one, Derek Rose, Isaiah Thomas, too. I mean, when you think of Chicago basketball, a lot of times his name doesn't get mentioned. Isaiah needs to be mentioned as one of the great Chicago athletes of all time. I think that's very respectful and knowledgeable of Reggie Miller

to say something like that, to understand how much Derek Rose means to Chicago, and he means a ton to Chicago. He has gotten the benefit of the doubt in every way, shape, or form because he is from Chicago and celebrated like a Chicago in. Michael Jordan is the person you should always think of when you think of Chicago baseball or basketball, not Isaiah Thomas. You can go through the litany of high school players who came through Chicago and became stars, but it's like, and I know he wasn't like going full hot take here, but it always just kind of bothers me when people are like, don't put Jordan at the top, like the top with space in between in terms of who the biggest impact ever on the city of Chicago was and probably always will be is Michael

Jordan. He's at the top of every list in Chicago by a mile. It's not close. It's not close. He won six titles. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that we have the video to support that at the time he was playing when games on television became very much normalized and everything else. So even if you're a great school kid in the day.

Derek Rose era, right? In your 7, 8, 9, 10 years old watching Derek Rose become MVP, you can always go look at the tape at Michael Jordan be like, it's very different than looking at the tape of, I don't know, Sid Luckman comparing him to Caleb Williams. Here's who you think of when you think of Chicago basketball. Not that guy, as fun as it is to think of the guys that are actually from here, it's Jordan by a mile on every list. On every list, there is, there probably shouldn't even be a number two on all the Michael Jordan lists. But let us take one more break. I think I'm being told. Do we have new Tom Brady audio?

It's so fresh, Grody. It's hot. Wow. It's fresh. It's Tom Brady, and he's sharing his thoughts on Bill Velichick's First Ballot Hall of Fame snubbing. Oh, let's take the break down. Rahimi Harris and Grody will be hearing from Tom Brady next on the score. Harrison Grody, midday's 10 a.m. to 2 on Chicago Sports Radio 670 the score.

Surprise to see me here? Oh, I am too. Bill Belichick right there. He's not a first ballot Hall of Famer. Man, still sounds weird coming out of my mouth when I say that. ESPN reported yesterday that Bill Belichick will not be a first ballot hall of famer. He reportedly failed to get 40 votes from the 50-person committee. 80%.

Yeah, that's what you have to have. It's crazy to consider that. And we're going to hear momentarily some fresh office. audio from Tom Brady, the quarterback who was linked and won so much with Bill Belichick. But first, tonight, the Bulls are on the road to take on the Pacers. Pre-game coverage begins at 545. Tip-off is at 6 o'clock, perfect for Marshall, right here on the score. And the Fitzgerald Equipment Bowles Radio Network, powered by Heli forklifts.

Let's hear what Tom Brady had to say. I don't understand it. I mean, I was with them every day. if he's not a first bout hall famer, there's really no coach that should ever be a first bout hallfamer, which is completely ridiculous because people deserve it.

He's incredible. There's no coach I'd ever want to play I'd rather play for it. If I'm picking one coach to go out there to win a Super Bowl, give me one season, I'm taking Bill Belichick. So that's enough said. There's nothing outside of that.

Again, when he comes down to votes and, you know, popularity and all that, like, you know, then welcome to the world of voting. And you may as well go, you know, try out for the Oscars or whatever and, you know, get a big panel to tell you if you're good or not. So it's the way it works. And unfortunately, you know, he's going to get into the Hall of Fame. In the end, I'm not worried about that.

You know, and a lot of times in life, you know, for all of us, you know, things don't happen exactly how you want to run your timeline. But we'll all be there to celebrate him when it does happen. And he's going to have a huge turnout for, from so many players, coaches that appreciated everything that he did and the commitment that he made to winning and the impact that he had on all our lives. And that'll be a great celebration when it happens.

Tom Brady right there on Seattle Sports. Is that it is? That's the station. Seattle Sports. Not Seattle Sutton. Seattle's home for everything. Seahawks Mariners. Seattle Sports.

Tom Brady. Yeah. I mean, he's probably right. if Bill Belichick's not going to get in as a first ballot Hall of Famer, who exactly is? But I will say this. The downfall of Bill Belichick really started with Tom Brady leaving, right? And Bill Belichick having no success without him and Tom Brady going on to big time success without Bill.

And then Bill, ending up where he is now in North Carolina, like it's just been a wild path for Bill since the exit of Tom Brady. so he could say all those nice things, but he's part of this. Don Chula, Chuck Knoll, Tom Landry. No one's arguing that those are first ballot Hall of Fame coaches, correct? I would not argue with any of those. Those are the only three head coaches who have been first ballot Hall of Fame. So now there's a degree of separation between them and Bill Belichick.

And again, if it's the petty they were after, they have found the petty either that, or the game theory of it all, thinking someone else was going to vote them in because I got to make sure some of these other guys get in. How big of a slap in the face and how idiotic would these voters look if Robert Kraft gets in in the same class where they denied.

Like the coach that actually did something to get them to all those titles? It's different when you have a salary cap versus a sport with no salary. cap because the owner maybe comes into play a little bit more. Yeah. Because you got to be shrewd when you decide to pay people and not pay people in a bigger manner because you can just outspend. Hello, Los Angeles Dodgers.

But I think this is more about the Bill Polians of the world and just they're either, like I said, either he's senile or he's a clown. It's one of the others. It could be both, but it's one of the other. Either way, somebody's got to be his friend, right? And tell him. and say this is over and that friend should be whoever is in charge of the NFL

voting committee, right? Who should say, love you, man, your body, what you've done for the NFL all your years. If you want to blah-b-de-blah-de-blah him before you do it, that's fine, whatever it takes. But yeah, kindly, sir. Dear sir, this is an untenable situation.

Do you know how it usually goes when you tell older people that? Not good? It does not go well. Yeah. They try to hang on for dear life to what they feel like they still have value. Oh, right, because they don't have as many beliefs to give at that point either. You're trying to give advice to a guy who's a consultant for how long and telling people who to hire and not to hire for their head coaching jobs?

Including here. Including here. I just want to put it all out there in perspective. But Bill Pollian, with this news that he can't remember 100% who he voted for when it was only three people. Like, I'm shocked that we haven't heard yet. Like, yes, he's out. Bill Pullian will know. He can't.

hurt you anymore. He's not voting anymore. He'll not be punching a ballot for NFL Hall of Fame anymore. It's okay. Bill polling in is item number one. Item number two, make the ballots public. Yeah. That will solve a lot of the problems if you make the ballots public because anyone who is too cowardly to come forward with their ballot will no longer be a part of the voting process because someone who is willing to come forward will be a part of the voting process. That's true. as I'm making my way through the hallways here at the score intermittently. I have seen two people that want to take over the mics next. One of those is Matt Spiegel.

The other, and I know you just saw him as well, Dan Weir. He looked very nice. I felt very underdress saying hello to Dan Weir. Yeah, he does look very professional. He's got the sports coat on. I don't know who he's trying to impress exactly. The jacket. Yeah, what do you think? Maybe he's getting ready for his Hall of Fame speech.

Yeah, wait a minute. Wait a minute. So, yeah, Weezy is in today from the Athletic and from Take the North. He is in for Lawrence Holmes. So when we return, we will talk to Spiegel and Holmes with Matt Spiegel and Dan Weeder next on the score.