Rahimi, Harris & Grote Show - Examining the state of the Bulls after their recent trades (Hour 1)

Episode Date: February 4, 2026

Leila Rahimi and Marshall Harris opened their show by reacting to the Bulls acquiring guard Jaden Ivey, veteran point guard Mike Conley Jr. and guard Anfernee Simons in a pair of trades Tuesday. After that, they wondered if the Bulls are about to trade away guard Coby White.

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Okay, thanks. Bye. Rahimi Harrison Grody. 10 to 2 on 1043, The Score. It is our friend Paul Papps, host of the tailgate Saturday mornings. I see you are traversing the entire bay. How is that going for you, Paul? Well, you know what's weird out here?

They have these driverless cars, and they're like, they're not Uber. Yeah, Waymo. Marshall, I had no idea about Waymo. I went to cross the street the other day, and there was a car with no people, and I'm like, I had a staring contest. I didn't know what to do. Hey, what is the deal with the smart car? How smart is that? Those things are tiny.

Can you even drive them in traffic? Yeah, I'm so smart. E equals MCC. squared. I drive a smart car. That's not smart in my bar. Are you going to try a waymo? I have been in a waymo. I was in one in Phoenix. And it's an interesting thing. It's pretty standard for people out there, though. They're used to it. I got to tell you, I'm old school. I'm like a Chevy Nova 3 on the tree. I like old school cars and people. But like I'll try to embrace this this week and get back to you.

You're not driving this. It's a death trap. We have breaking news. Oh, I like this Paul. I can't believe that. Paul's who made a trade. Get ready, Pam. Give it to us. Get ready. Oh, my God. Okay, it's happening. Everybody stay calm. What's the procedure, everyone? What's the procedure?

Stay fucking go! Chicago, Minnesota, and Detroit have agreed to a multi-team deal that since Jaden, Ivy, and Mike Conley Jr. to the Bull? Love Mike Conley Jr. Mike Conley to the Bulls. He's a stud. Kevin Herder and Dario Sarge go to the Pistons. sources tell ESPN.

I know you guys are going to have people on to break this down, but my first reaction is it's step one of a second grade. I don't think that this would be the only thing you did. This might be a round. roster move to get the roster ready to do something else. I want you to put the word out there that we back up. Understand me? We back up.

Lela Rahimi, Marshall Harris, Mark Grody, midday's 10 a.m. to 2 on Chicago Sports Radio 1043, the score. We're back up. Stringer Bell. We're back up because the Bulls are making trades with the rest of the NBA. Stringer Bell has the back at sea level in terms of their order. their standard operating procedure. The declaration has been made.

We back up. A.K. did those things he was supposed to do like three years ago. Oh, man. Oh, my God. It's true, Ray. You're right. You're right. A.K. has seen the lights.

The standard had been lowered and now we're... As we like to say about the dating scene, the bar is in hell. So let me get this straight. Back to average. Listen, I'm all... Ultimately, I'm all for making... moves that further define the direction of your franchise, which I think we just saw the idea. Right now they have like seven guards, the Bulls, but they're making trades.

So we back up. Guards are important. When you run at the pace, the Bulls run, I believe it's the fourth highest pace in the NBA. You need guards to push. I am aware, but like they have so many guards that I feel like they're just going to run a line of full of guards. We got 5-8 running the point. We'll get higher and height from there.

You saw Yuki win that jump ball. I have so much belief in him. Yeah. Yuki did win the jump ball. All 5-8 of him. Listen, AK. And you know what? I'm not 5-8.

I got miles to go before I get to 5-8. Shortest player in Bull's history out here winning jump balls over Casper Yacutonis. I have a message for A.K. Right now. A.K., do not waste. Do not waste Yuki's window. You hear me? Don't waste it.

Is this what backup is? like. I know, I know it's Casperis. I just like to call him ghost because I see Casper and I just stop there. Call him ghost. I like it. It's okay. Like, I, I, on behalf of Alainai, who I adopted, because they're the public school and they disappoint me in various sports ways at times. I felt like I had to say it. Aligni, by the way, looking good. But that's, that's not why we are. We got a freaking Alinai on this show. Yeah, we actually, Kendall Gill, that's right. We could ask him about those align I will talk to kendall later at our show at 125 and in the meantime this is something like you're not you're not wrong in putting that in there tyler that the bulls are

back up because they had three straight years of no activity then we see and you're starting to see the direction and and rather than pivoting a kayak for this team it does feel like they're turning a barge yeah it's just a slower more deliberate process Like, for example, a lot of NBA GMs, you know that they're good for at least two trades basic at the trade deadline. You don't necessarily know who they're going to trade. You just know it's going to happen. That's not the case with the Bulls. And while they have talked about their direction and they said as much, you know, after the trade deadline last year,

draft picks, as we know, weren't the priority when it came to first rounders, you know, that we've talked about that. However, we didn't necessarily know the exact direction. I go back to when Arturis Karashova said he wanted nine or ten good players, you know, formidable players, higher than role players, but not necessarily your nucleus of stars commanding supermaxes. So how does that look? And for them partially it was last year collecting and gaining control again of their first round pick, who they used on Noah Essenge. See. But they got it back. now it's and then now it was well after the season

Arturis Karas Charnasheva says we're going to have more flexibility financially after the 2026 season. I took that to mean at the time that he was going to therefore get out of the Vouch deal, Nikola Vucovich, who he traded for at the trade deadline his first year here that I thought that that was going to be the indication because he was one of the highest paid players on the team as we know and so if Vouch's contract ended at the end of this coming season that that's where the financial flexibility would be. We have gone through the roller coaster trying to figure out who had what value when.

The Caruso trade is a good example of that. Alex Caruso gets traded to an Oklahoma City team that highly values him. The Bulls get back Josh Giddy. They see Giddy as part of their core. Giddy now getting the $25 million and they feel like that was part of their core. We say that they could have gotten a draft pick in exchange for that. but we start to see the direction again, start to take shape, right? Slowly but surely.

And I think now with trading away Vouch for Anthony Simons, flipping Dario Sarge in a deal who they had traded for, getting Mike Conley, who we expect to see flipped, most likely, right? Even if he's flipped or they just buy him out after the trade deadline. There it is. And then Jane Ivy being a part of this, whose age aligns with Giddy and Modus Buzellas. you're starting to see the direction that they want to go in

in order to put a team together that they think is going to work. See, you say barge, but by the speed in which they did basically three deals to add assets, get rid of expiring contracts, this thing was straight out the banana boat tills, you know? Why did you got to bring up the Jimmy Butler, Dwayway? Because I love it. Because I love it. Your body double, Chris Paul?

My body double. Well, face double. He's probably in much better shape. me. I don't know. I don't think that that's, no, I'm going to push back on that. I like that you mentioned the bar being in Hades, because honestly, that's what those of us following this team are used to.

Our expectations are so low when it comes to the Bulls to see them pull off this flurry of moves. Layla, I got to tell you, I didn't think they could trade Vouch for as much value as they got back for him. And that, to me, was like, okay, this is not only a good move to get. rid of an expiring contract, but this is a move that brings value to your team. That second rounder, they got back in exchange for their second rounder, which was a second rounder from the 2027 draft out of the Denver Nuggets pocket that they now moved on to the Celtics

to get back a 2026 second rounder. That's this year. Very good, deep clash. You might be able to move up in the draft of that pick, package it for something else, and then it's the pick of four different teams that could be at the top of the second round. So basically like a later first round pick. It's, I didn't know A.K. was capable of this. So we think that we've seen the bulls start to develop a direction.

We wanted to keep the phone lines open here on practice it with me now, 1043, but you can still listen to 670. The score, 312, 6444, 67, 67, we will do so for this hour because we know. I think there was a lot of skepticism appropriately when it came to figuring out what the bulls wanted to do. but I look at it as simply as this, Marshall. The money will dictate, A, how teams value players. Giddies the most important to the Bulls. That's why he's getting paid the most.

Nicola Vucovich was the second most important to the Bulls at 21.5 million. And you have to organize it by big rocks in a jar versus little rocks that fill it in. So moving Vouch, which was something that shocked you and I yesterday, because I didn't think it was going to happen, especially for a guy like Anthony Simons, who, by the way, on a side note, probably indicates what I've been thinking all along, which is Tatum is likely back for the Celtics sooner rather than later. I don't think it's as aggressive as the February timeline. I do think perhaps maybe it's late March or April. Like, do they feel like that is reasonable?

What's the hurry? You literally just need to have Tatum come back soon enough that he can integrate or really just reintegrate because everybody knows who Jason Tatum is. Yeah, for the playoffs. Yeah, for the playoff push. Right. So they've been doing enough to stay in their respective mix. There's no question. But that means that they are going to move some pieces

while they have this flexibility ahead of now tomorrow's trade deadline. So for the Bulls, again, they're faced with, number one, Simons is on an expiring deal. Jaden Ivy is on an expiring deal. But are they going to do what they did like, say, with Josh Giddy, who was also on an expiring deal and try to build what they think is a core? And is that core enough to actually compete and, dare I say, qualify for a actual playoff series in the East?

Not this year. Yeah, I think they're positioning themselves to be able to make a playoff push. Maybe this year still. I know people are going to think I'm crazy after watching the Bulls go down by 25 points at the half and back-to-bad games for just the second time in franchise history. I know they're going to think I'm crazy. But once they get, you know, players over 5-8, players over 6'3, on the roster that are not named Lockland-Obrick, they might have a chance to make a push.

The East is really bad, Laila. It's really bad. But that is the hard part about trying to figure all this out is that you had to let the air out of the balloon. Like you had to rip the Band-Aid off. Say whatever you want. You are going to have to get worse to get better. So trying to do that in a graceful or slow way

is not the way of the league. And we see that you can short a way. that timeline to use an AK phrase. You can shorten the timeline of tanking. The Oklahoma City Thunder showed you. But they did this in a much more deliberate and aggressive process. You know, acquiring so many draft picks,

trying to hold on to other ones. The Paul George trade is really what's what started them on the path to therefore winning the title last year. Yeah. So, you know, it got painful before it got better, but the Bulls haven't really done that. So then therefore it's, it's, it comes down to me, understanding

that I think they think some of these players who aren't fitting on other teams, kind of all on what we saw with the Cubs do with Michael Bush, you know, when you're dealing with the Dodgers, like Gitties with the Thunder, for example, you know, Jane Nivey is with Detroit and we see now Simon's with the Celtics. If there's not room for some of these guys because of the apron issue, which does change all of this, you know, are you picking up some of these other players from other teams and maybe you didn't draft them, but they start to become the core that you think that you can build around with a guy you did draft and modest.

So the issue here is, because the first thing that comes to mind is when you say like the Oklahoma City Thunder, the way they made that deal to give it out of Alex Caruso, but going back to the Paul George deal. Right. They got Shea Gildes Alexander in the Paul George trade along with assets, right? And they let Shea Gilgis Alexander figure it out. The Bulls are unwilling to let a guy like Modis or Giddy figure it out. They're like, we're going to put capable players next to you.

because we're going to make this push for what we believe could be a playoff team, maybe a playing team. I think the biggest thing here is you're watching Cooper Flag right now go off for the Dallas Mavericks in a situation which is bad, right? But it's allowing, as we saw Jason Kidd get fined, I think $30,000 for talking about the criticism he faced for putting Cooper Flag at point guard and letting them lose their last five games while he's putting up games where he scores 49 points. He's letting him make the mistakes through the floor.

Modis-Buzellis hasn't been afforded that opportunity. to the degree that a Cooper flag has. He's just a role player, a lesser player, if you will, alongside Josh Giddy and Kobe White. And at times, Trey Jones and Smith. I think the Bulls are afraid to let Modis be turned loose. Now, he's got work to do with his handle and everything. But in the meantime, they are doing something different than they've done in the past. They're acquiring a bunch of young players who, along with draft capital, will put them in

position to trade for a superstar because every year there's a disgruntled superstar or three. Janice. Janice is going to Minnesota, right? Like, that's pretty much happening? I think so, but there's talk that he may make it to the off season. If that happens, the bull might, they may have a chance to go get Janus because they may have more stuff that they put together if they move Kobe and or I. Oh, and I save Minnesota because, number one, that became the overwhelming discussion yesterday

through the NBA circles. And then number two, Mike Conley is here partially because they needed to create roster space. Now, the question becomes, can the Bulls flip Mike Conley like they did Dario Sorich before the trade deadline at what, three o'clock, two o'clock tomorrow? Yeah, it's two o'clock tomorrow. Yeah, three o'clock Eastern. If they can't, it won't be the worst thing because they still have, you know, taken back expiring contracts and they can get the buyout done.

That's not as big of a deal. I think what's most interesting is just to understand this moment. time. Our church, Carnas Chauvis, to me, is looking very much like he's in his Bulls tenure, what, six years deep, at the same point where we saw Ryan Poles sitting next to Kevin Warren, kind of being at a boyd while being admonished about not doing a good job in his first opportunity with the Bears, but he got a second run with Ben Johnson and company. He got a quarterback in Caleb Williams. Our church, Carnish Chavez, is being afforded that opportunity to figure it out. What I don't like about it is that Michael Rinesdorf has basically said, yeah, take your time.

Do the slow development of your own players. No, no, no, no. Develop your own players, yes, always, but also be ready, be nimble, be able to pivot more like a banana boat than a barge when the next crop of disgruntled stars become available. Yeah, I want to get into, I know we don't have a ton of time left in this segment. And what you're referring to is the scene where after the Bears fired Matt Eberfluse, Ryan Poles is sitting in a quarter zip next to Kevin Ward, who's in a suit, and there's been a lot made about that discussion and what's happened since.

But the difference, I think partially, too, is that AK was the assistant GM in Denver. You know, he had a higher title than Ryan Poles had in Kansas City. And AK had, I mean, the perennial MVP candidate, you know, as his resident, and his scouting when it came to Yokic. So I feel like he had a more established resume. They had a defined direction. They traded for Nikola Vucovich and they added with DeMar de Rosen with a very defined direction when they decided to go that route.

Lonzo Balls, well. Yeah, I mean, and Lonzo Ball, as we saw, was the guy to put all of that together for them. And then we saw, unfortunately, it was tenuous because they didn't have enough two-way players. Lonzo Ball goes down as part of that discussion. and then we saw how it fell apart because DeMar plays a slower pace of play than what the rest of the league does. It was a formula that made sense at the time,

but unfortunately it was at the very end of a time and a salary structure in the league where that would have made sense. So now you have to pivot and you see how Oklahoma City did it and they're the standard. You know, that's it. They're the standard, a team full of young players.

They got five picks back, including SGA in that Paul George trade. The clippers still have Paul George. So, you know, I say that to say, it's a different situation here because the NBA changed, the CBA changed everything. And then teams were left trying to figure out how to put the pieces back together.

And, you know, that trade was a fleece when you look back at it now. You know, it was a fleece. There's no other way of putting it. You don't get to fleece teams like that outside of maybe the Kings in the NBA anymore. So that's why I feel you when it comes to the sea change moment, you know, that was the sea change moment for,

polls and for Warren. But I don't necessarily know. I think we're seeing, we're still seeing every team in the league try to figure out how to tread water knowing that it's much different salary-wise for them. The NBA trade deadline isn't the same anymore because of it. Yeah, no, I think you're absolutely correct in the way that you're looking at Archer's role in this current NBA compared to what it was back then. My issue is back then, he definitely was operating on a barge. Very slow to pivot when something went wrong, aka Alonzo Ball's injury. Now, though, I think he has learned, or I'm sorry, let me not ascribe that to him. I hope he has learned to be able to pivot quicker in a fast-moving landscape as we've seen over

the last, what, three days with the James Harden trade and now not knowing what's going to happen to Janus. All I want for him to do right now is to be a facilitator on some of these deals, get more assets if he can, move I.O. slash Kobe, if he can, to get a first rounder maybe somewhere out there, even if it's protected. And the other thing is, you want to get an A plus from me on this trade deadline? Find a way to get rid of Patrick Williams. He's in the second year of that deal. Find a way to give rid of Patrick Williams.

Second year of a five year. If you want to A, that's what you've got to do. Marshall has issued the challenge. This is Rahibi Harrison Grotie on 104.3, The Score. You can join us via Twitch. We are at The Score Chicago now. Twitch.TV slash The ScoreChicago. Thanks to our Twitch mob for hanging out and having a conversation with us and with them.

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It is Connor O'Donnell, Jacob Stutz, Max Curtis, and Cody Westerland. And now we have to ask the question about one of the longest tenured athletes in Chicago. Did we see Kobe White play his last game? The friend of the show will discuss next. Rahimi Harrison Grody. The great Kevin Harlan. I just pulled through the Taco Bell drive-thru,

and I've got a couple of big, nasty, supreme burritos right here waiting to beat. You know, the first thing they ask you now, are you using the app? The app, no, I just want my burrito. I don't want to use an app. bring a lot of mild sauce because I'm going to squirt it all over the place. Put some hot sauce on my burrito, baby. Rahimi Harris and Grody, midday's 10 a.m. to 2 on the score. Nance turned it over down the floor.

Kobe White on Nance. Got it, count it. Fowling Bulls Nation comes to life here in Milwaukee. That is the voice of Chuck Swirsky. This is Rahimi Harris and Grody on 1043 the score. And the Bulls did on. They did play a game last night. Is that what we're calling it?

It happened. They cut it to single digits, even though they were down by over 20 to a Milwaukee team that had, well, everybody sitting. Bulls end up losing by a final of 131 to 115. But one of the guys who did play in that game, and we were kind of surprised to hear, was indeed Kobe White. Kobe White drafted by the Bulls ahead of the 2019 season. He ended up playing 30 minutes in that game. He had 21 points, 10 rebounds, three assists. So we are still trying to figure out,

since the Bulls do seem to now be in the business of getting rid of players on expiring contracts or trying to get something for them, which Kobe White is on an expiring deal, as is Ayodosumu. Do we watch Kobe White, one of the longest tenured players in the city? Play his last game as a bowl.

I would hope so because everything that has happened up to this point, this season has led to this moment where you realize Kobe White is not part of the team's future long term. And the deals, the one that specifically brought back Anthony Simons, who is a walking bucket, who is a better and more efficient offensive player than Kobe, I think that seals it up for me. And so Kobe has given a lot. He has developed a lot. He has gotten a much better, become a much better player. And really, he's earned kind of this distinction as being synonymous with the Bulls for a period of time. And that's it. He has been.

He's also the last player left who wasn't an Arturis, Karnas Chavez, Mark Eversley, acquisition. That was under Gar-Pax, if you'll recall. Kobe was the Eastern Conference player the month in March. I love talking to him whenever we had him on. I feel like I've been talking to Kobe for years because he was still here when I was sideline reporting for the Bulls games. So it is something where I do, yeah, you have somebody around for a long time.

You get used to who they are. You watch them more. That's just how it goes. You have a strong relationship watching him as a member of the team you cover or the team you watch than others. And so there is an attachment to Kobe White. There's also a confusion because we were wondering this time, last year if Kobe was going to get traded.

We didn't necessarily know what his fate was going to be in the off season if there was going to be some sort of trade. This has been like this for a while, just trying to figure out again the direction of the Bulls. And then also who fits in and how. So Kobe White, thanks to our friend Joelle Lorenzi over at the Athletic for giving us this audio because he was in Milwaukee last night, was asked about the Vukovic trade, sending him to Boston, and also what he meant to him.

a teammate. Overall, I know there's something not official, official, but you spent a lot of time with Nicole Buccivic over the years. Just kind of wondering what your thoughts of him as a teammate. Obviously, I've been with him for, what, four years? We've formed a really good relationship, just from off the court to own the court. And he's, he's, he's, he's, I've been a guy that was a believer in me since day one since he got here. So, um, obviously going to miss him a lot. Like I said, the relationship that we built on North Court, you know, meeting his family, his kids, his wife. So tough day.

But, you know, like everybody else, I guess it's part of the business. So we're supposed to be robots about it, I guess. How do you handle your own individual well-being on the day like this? I mean, are you talking to an agent? Are you just focusing on the game and not worrying about it? I'm trying to focus on the game, but obviously, you know, with a lot of stuff going on like this. You know, it's hard not to think about.

But it's tough. I mean, like I said, I've been with Voo's for a long time. So it's tough to see them go. You know, it's tough to see Kev go to the last year that we do. But, you know, you try to focus on the game and be there for my teammates. Is your mindset you want to stay here still? Yeah, I mean, obviously I want to be here. Like I said, I love my teammates.

But like I said at the end of the day, like, I've been saying this since, you know, I've been asking me, you know, the front office is going to do what they think is best for the team. And like I said, I want this team to do nothing but succeed. So whatever they feel is best for the team, you know what I'm saying? I just want to see everybody here win. You know what I love about the way he spoke, seeing this teammate go and understanding that his end is probably near is the same tone and the same sentiment in which he spoke about both Zach Levine and DeMarta Rosen, players that were honestly blocking some of his ability

to get his shots up and shot creation and everything else. And if you remember before Zach Levine got traded, he was kind of in and out of the lineup leading up to his trade at the deadline. And I just, I admire his professionalism and the growth of a guy who was so young when he was drafted by the Bulls and what he has become a young man. Yeah, he was 19 when he was drafted. People forget how young he absolutely was because he was a true one and done. And so he's grown with this team.

We've seen it. we've talked to him about it. You know, I've talked to him about it and how his good wasn't good enough for him. You know, there was an issue when it came to trying to figure out who got the ball and when when DeMar and Zach were on the team. And I don't think it was out of fear.

I think it was out of deference and respect. That was always my impression with it. And, you know, I felt differently about Zach's role on this team because I didn't think it was as simple as, oh, he was bullhawk. No, no. Watch the game.

and then you'll know why I think that. So getting back to that was he tried to do things to improve his own game and worked with Bull's staff in Peter Patton and Mr. Drivel too much, who's famous on Instagram, he worked on his handle one year.

You know, he then worked on his shot because he thought his three was too flat. And just because it was good enough in North Carolina, it was good enough to get him a lottery pick in the NBA, he wanted to be better. So I'm not surprised at all. And when he says, I guess they want us to be roper.

about it. This is such a hard time for players. In every sport, the trade deadline is a hard time for athletes because you don't necessarily know who to trust. You have an agent. You can't necessarily even trust them because they're moving people too are trying to help. The biggest example is Rich Paul and Clutch. You know, that's a lot, a big reason why a lot of players get him. So I say that to say, of course this is going to make him feel a certain way. It's hard to play the game when you don't know if you're even going to be. be playing for the same team after that's the only one you've known. And you remember how they talked about him when he first got here. Jim Boylan would call him an athlete. You know, they didn't,

that's a way of saying you, you don't necessarily know where you were supposed to put him. So then he worked on his skills to try to help that be defined. Well, yeah, he's clearly now defined as a combo guard who is deadly from three, although I think the mental side of this has taken its toll on Kobe White. Just in the last week plus, right? Lela, every time I watch him. He looks like a guy who's pressing. Understand this. As much as he's grown as far as skill efficiency over the last couple of seasons specifically. This year, his averaging points is down 18.6. His turnover's up to a career high, three turnovers a game. And she had last night. Listen, it's been bad. He's five for his last 27 from three, right? You could see the threes he

was taken. They weren't just like barely off. There were some bad misses out there. And he's shooting a Career low, 34.6% from three. I think he needs that fresh. Let this be over this saga. Let me get my fresh start and get on with my career. I think that's where he is right now. Well, and that is part of this is when you have the feeling that you didn't fit in the team's direction for, oh, I don't know, at least a year. How would that not weigh on anybody?

I mean, the public comments from Arturz-Karnas-Sov, talking about fitting a certain window, and we're going to have way more flexibility. You look at your own contract. Oh, my contract will be up in that time period that AK is talking about. Well, and then positionally, look what happened. Who did they acquire more of? Guards. So that would make it make sense.

Now, here's the thing, though. Here's the rub. Is that number one? I think his numbers are partially down because of the calf issue that he's had. And we've seen how calves and Achilles are very much a problem in the NBA injury-wise. It's why we're talking about Boston Trainingway Anthony Simons, right? it's why the Indiana Pacers aren't the same without Tyres Halberton. So the numbers may be a bit affected by the fact that he's still not 100% yet,

which would make it make sense. And we know he's not because he's had to sit for this twice now. So I take that into consideration. But altogether, the Bulls have also had situations where I think, like, for example, last year, I thought that they were going to flip Kevin Herder and Zach Collins. They did not. So they may think that they can flip other people. But I don't necessarily know that they'll be able to as quickly as they would like.

Well, they certainly had their chance to flip Zach Collins in the offseason. They won't have a chance to flip his expiring contract now because he might not even play this season. So that's one like miss from AK. But you could see why that happened. I mean, he was a very valuable piece of the Bulls when he was playing before he hurt his toe. I liked his defensive profile to compliment what Vouch did. Out of the gate, it made sense. Definitely.

I love the double bigs line when they were playing that. That's when they were the most effective as a team. And looking at I-O-now, it's just I hope that his calf holds up for whoever he ends up playing for next. Yeah, Kobe, I mean, but when Kobe's on, the Bulls are a remarkably better team. And we saw that last March. The reason they were winning games is because Kobe was healthy and he was making all the shots. Like that went together for a reason. He would also pace the offense well.

Io paces the offense well. We don't know if I are to Sumu. There's a chance he might be traded away at this time as well. Although I think the likelihood is lower for him. I think Kobe White is the one who most likely gets dealt while we've still got a day plus here, a day in a few hours. Based on what happened yesterday, I wouldn't be surprised if both those guys get moved before Thursday's 2 p.m. deadline.

But the difference is the Bulls are going to have to understand that what they value players at is not necessarily what. the league does. And I think we're starting to see that happen now in some of these deals. Yeah. If you even get for Kobe, let's say a second round pick and then a younger player that maybe isn't as developed, someone who's, you know, better than Daly and Terry, but not as good as Kobe White or Trey Jones even, I understand it. We've gotten a couple of really good texts. 312, 644, 67, we'll let you keep the phones open as well. You leave yourself little time to figure out the future, says 7-7-3.

Simons is UFA and Ivy is RFA. FAA meaning free agent, unrestricted and restricted. And I think they know that, but you're right. And that's how they felt about, you know, they had to make a decision quick about giddy. But I feel like some of these players, they've had their eyes on for a while as well. You know, and that may be part of it too. But again, do the Bulls value players a little bit differently than the rest of the league?

And that becomes the concern at the end of the day, Do you feel like the Bulls can scout? Do you feel like the Noah, a Senge pick, makes sense knowing Derek Queen exists? Like, do you trust their scouting? Well, or the double down on Patrick Williams. And I don't like picking on Patrick Williams in a way. But it comes back to kind of a similar thread that we've seen being woven with this Bulls team. I actually kind of want to get into it next if you're okay with it.

Sure. Because we're trying to figure out what's next. and those two actually play a part that's bigger than it probably should be. So we'll do that next year on Rahimi Harrison Grotie on 1043, The Score. Rahimi Harrison Grody, Midday's 10 to 2 on 1043, the score. They remain active. I would say it takes two, sometimes three teams to make a trade. So they've got to find partners.

But yeah, they've got a crowded guard room. And, you know, Kobe White and I would assume they have been out there. For months. I mean, we've been talking about their futures dating back to last off season, given that they're headed to unrestricted free agency. But yeah, our tourists and Mark and their staff have been busy this week. And I think it's been pretty well documented. They've been active for a while. And they've obviously been able to find a couple moves to this point already. That is Casey Johnson. He was on this morning with Mully and Haw. This is Rahimi Harrison-Rodie on 670, the score.

104 3, the score. You guys are supposed to yell at me every time I do it. I need like a taser or something. Maybe not a taser. Before anyone yells at you, you're yelling at yourself. There's no need. Actually, you just described my entire life. I mean...

Before people yell at me, I'm usually yelling at myself. Exactly. All we have to do is like add on, Leila. If you do say 670 the score, because we are on 670 still, we just jump in and say, and 1043. I know. And I do like the fact that people are doing their own. science experiments and seeing if 670 or 1043 works better.

It seems like, and this is how we understand it, you know, farther out you go, 670 is better. But like when you're next to our building, you couldn't get 670. So 1043 is a plus. Shout out to everybody on lower whack or listening to 104.3, the score right now. You can, or behind a building that's tall. You know, you can do that now too. Welcome to 1978. I hear things get interesting.

in a couple years. Why are you invoking my birth year? I didn't, I didn't appreciate that. It's F-M. So, so yes, please fake tase me or something or, I don't know. I need some sort of like Pavlov's dog. I like fake tase. Well, real tase is a little too

much. So like, what do you do? I was just on Amazon shopping for when you said it, Lela. You put a tongue on a nine-volt. Is that the move? It's like, but not like, Z. Okay, I've lost the plot. So looking at, I think Casey John is right. What's next for the Bulls? We've got 24 hours plus a few more when it comes to the

trade deadline. We have 27 hours, 10 minutes and 35 seconds. Yeah, I was going to say like 20, yeah, it was like four extra hours at least. So I got you. So I'm also looking at the Bulls like new spot rack with everybody. Oh, the new multi-table. Yeah. So Anthony Simons immediately becomes the highest paid player, 27.7 million. Then it's Josh Giddy. then it's Zach Collins. Then it's Zach Collins. Wait, how does that work? Explain that to me. Zach Collins at 18.

Really like 18.1. And then it's Patrick Williams at 18. Then it's Kobe at 12.9. Isaac Okoro at 11. Mike Conley, Jake. Mike Conley's only making 10.7. That's because Mike Conley made his millions earlier in his career. Yeah, he knows what kind of deal he's going to get signed to. and he doesn't believe he's done playing too.

Did you hear him say that? I love Mike Conley. And like I'm with Grotie. If this sticks me back to the Zibo Memphis team, I'm cool with it. Oh my goodness, grit and grind. I love it. So Jaden Ivy, Jalen Smith, next, Trey Jones, I.O. Modis, Noah, Dail and Terry, Julian Phillips, Lachlan Ulbrick on the two-way, and then Yuki Kawamura on the two-way.

Now, Casey did drop this nugget. Then he thinks that likely because of Zach Collins's injury, you end up getting a center on a two-way. That would make it make sense, right? They have to pick up another body, like somebody who can be a backup center on a two-way. Because right now, their centers are Zach Collins and Lachlan Ulbrick. And Zach Collins may not play. And they have seven guards. So I think here's what's next to them. I think they really should, if they can find a way to get Tar-Eason, which will not be easy because he's that good, they should get Tar-Eason. They should maybe even give up a little draft capital to get Tari Isson. Tell us why

Tari Isan, who's currently with the Rockets, I love this idea, but I want to hear why you think that this is such a, such a possibility and a no-brainer. So even if he didn't fit, and he does, let me explain that. Our Church, Carnasovic's vision for what a team should look like in the modern apron heavy NBA,

where you have, you know, what do you say, nine to 10 players that are really, really good? Yeah. He can be that guy. He fits the timeline because he's 24 years old. He was drafted in 2022 out of LSU. Yes, out of LSU. He was the 17th overall pick. So just outside of a lottery status, who did the Bulls take that year? Hold on. Hold, please. Oh, the 2022 draft. Was that Daly and Terry? I just want to take a looksy here. That was Daly and Terry. He was taking one pick before Daly and Terry. Which I actually think plays into the idea that the Bulls would want

Tari Isson even more. Because the Rockets take him one pick ahead of him and I wonder if they were like, ah, that's who he wanted. They already have Jaden Ivy right now, who was the number five pick in that draft class. Don't forget that they back in the day wanted Isaac Akoro and

lo and behold. Oh, so this is kind of like when AK got the pick back when the Zach Levine trade. So, oh, he's just working backwards. Okay, okay. Well, the real comp, and this is the hell on earth comp, and it doesn't matter anymore. You're really bringing this up, is the 2017 MLV prospect list in the White Sox.

But that's not even a thing anymore. So, you know, but that's the extreme of the cop. It's very scar. And how on earth is not the right term. Are you sure? It might be. It just felt like it became inception. You know, where it's like, oh, why are they signing this guy?

Is he on the list? The talisman? The key. The list is very ominous nowadays. It makes sense. Let me tell you about Tar Heeson. Six foot eight listed at 215 pounds. He's long.

Here's what you need to know. He can play defense. In fact, he's a better defensive player than he is an offensive player. I'm letting you know that. I'm letting you know that to also in my next breath tell you this. He's a career 38% shooter from three, including this year, he's hitting 48% of his threes on a career high four and a half attempts per contest. A three and D guy, you tell me. Okay.

So when you talk about Josh Giddy, when you talk about Anthony Simons, when you talk about Jaden, I. when you talk about Trey Jones. Giddy hasn't had a lob threat yet in a Bulls uniform. No, and it's been real sad. You're right about that. There are not enough lobs on this team. Also, because they're in a good situation in this standing, Lela, some of the guys that you mentioned that will be back next year,

whether it's Buzellis and Asengay, who are both making $5.7 million next year, that's not a lot. Trey Jones and Jalen Smith, who have been highly productive role players, Smith is making $9.4 million next year. Jones is only making $8 million. That might be the best deal that AKs made,

the deal to get Trey Jones back in house for that cheap of a deal. They just have a lot of opportunities here to go big game hunting in a different way than what we've heard about. What about Chet Holmgren as a restrictive free agent? Oh, I don't hate that idea. Offer him the biggest offer sheet you can offer him, and you'll have the room to do it. Well, and that's it.

They've got two offer sheets that they likely have to get with a, with who's on the books right now. So, Jaden Ivy, and then, well, it depends on the rights, but, you know, Anthony Simons, they're going to have to do something with those two. So then what happens next? But yeah, now that Zach Collins is your third highest paid player on the team, slightly ahead of Patrick Williams, that lets you know how quickly things change. And again, the Collins thing, that would have been another contract that you could have

moved. Couldn't do it, though, because he's hurt. But that's fine because $18 million still comes off the book. It's not the $18 million I'm pointing at to come off the books, but it's still $18 million coming off the books. You got three more years of that deal. Thanks for reminding me. Thanks for reminding me. Just to let you know.

Coming up next year on Rahimi Harrison Grotie on 670, the score, let's shift gears and talk football because it is Super Bowl week. And usually there's some interesting interview regarding the bears that will come out of Radio Roe. This year is no different. Ryan Poles talked to Sirius XM about his relationship with Benjj Johnson and how it's evolved this season. That's next.