Rahimi, Harris & Grote Show - Full Show — January 28, 2026

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

Marshall Harris and Mark Grote discussed how Bears quarterback Caleb Williams is already the best player at his position in franchise history. They also discussed the decisions the Bulls need to make as the trade deadline looms.

The views and opinions of Laila Rahimi, Marshall Harris, and Mark Grody should not be taken too seriously. Especially when they give advice. Do not take Marshall's analogies, literally. Especially when it comes to Russell Dorsey. The sports thoughts of Rahimi Harrison Grody may change at any time. It's just sports. Okay, thanks. Bye. Bye.

Rahimi Harrison Grody. 10 to 2 on 670. The quote in the Nate Taylor article that we have on tape from Matt Nagy about his time with the bears and how this is going for him in that coaching cycle. everything that I went through in Chicago was a, it, uh, it, uh, it, it, it, it all happened for a reason. And, and, uh, it's just that time of the year, you know, so be ready for it. So you don't have a quarterback position. So you're not coaching the centerpiece of your team and arguably the NFL. And everything that happened to you here. You know, everything that I went through, uh, in Chicago was a, it, uh, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, he went through

here. Nothing, he didn't do anything wrong. More arrogance. By Matt Nagy. Everything just happened to him as a head coach. Is that what I am to understand? No one's fault other than everybody's. What in the hell are we doing here? We cannot go jumping to conclusions that I aim to play. In a position where you need to have even more accountability

because in theory, you're far enough away from the situation to do some true not only reflection, but some introspection. That seems to be lacking here? Guess what? I have flaws. What are they? Oh, I don't know. I sing in the shower.

Sometimes I spend too much time volunteering. Occasionally I'll hit somebody with my car. So sue me. No, don't sue me. That's the opposite of the point that I'm trying to make. I think part of the problem is Matt Nagy does view himself as coach of the year. That year shouldn't be the focus because that's not the peak. Or at least it shouldn't be.

And if that is the peak, that means everything since then has been downhill. I did not go to business school. Know who else didn't go to business school? LeBron James, Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant. They went right from high school to the NBA. So it's not the same thing at all. Lila Rahimi, Marshall Harris, Mark Grody, Midday's 10 a.m. to 2 on Chicago Sports Radio 670, The Score. Hey, what's happening?

It is Rahimi Harris and Grotie here on the score. Michael Scottness never gets old sometimes I volunteer too much you know what it's not ever not appropriate you can find something usually from Michael Scott to throw on whatever

you're going through in a particular moment in time it's just beautiful he's a beautiful man and I've just I've watched that way like I as I have made pretty clear to people I've been in the midst I guess of watching that show. I think I started like three years ago, and I'll just watch it over and over and over as many times as I possibly can every day if Comedy Central happens to be carrying it. And I know I could seek it out if I want it to do. I hate your method. I hate it. It's so unorganized. It's so you're

missing key moments that they build on for later. Non-linear. It's non-linear in a very linear production. Right. And one in which I could seek out and easily attain the linear just by watching it on Peacock if I wanted to because it's all right there. It's all right there. But I let, I like, it's like listening to the radio. I will let them present to me what they think should be presented on a given day or in a given moment. I don't know how they figure all that stuff out, the rhythms of the episodes.

Well, they just kind of go through the season and they start over. You know exactly how they figure it out. But yeah, it just, it feels good to hear Michael Scott. We're going to get to this because I have a feeling people would be very interested. if you didn't hear the question that we'll be asking the thesis statement, I would even say, from Marshall Harris. And that is, is Caleb Williams the greatest Chicago Bears quarterback ever? Not a question for me. You asked a question. I have a statement. Oh, wow. I am looking forward to you digging into this deeper. We will. We will do that.

And we would definitely encourage you to be a part of it throughout this hour that we're going to talk about, Caleb Williams and the Bears, 312, 640. 64, 67, 67 is the number. Before we get started, I just want to say, I want to give a shout out to this radio station. And just want to say what a great job everybody did yesterday on the score on, of course, the Tom Share, Matt Rodewald Roast. No, no, no, no, it wasn't that. The tribute to Terry Boers yesterday was just fantastic. and I knew Matt Spiegel would do a great job doing it because of the directions in which he is gone in his career, which seemed to connect to just about everybody, obviously everybody that was on yesterday. So he did a superb job of hosting. Obviously, Chris Tannahill was probably, you know, doing a whole heck of a lot of work with that as well.

so great job by those guys. Russ Matera, I know Connor O'Donnell, Max Curtis, Mitch Rosen, Ryan Porth. I just loved listening to everything. And I'm more of when it comes to Terry Boers, I was a listener to Terry through the years. I didn't know Terry well at all. It's just weird the way our paths never physically met up here at the score.

Like I barely worked with Terry, But I listened to Terry a lot, and I just thought it was a stellar performance yesterday by all parts involved here at the score. So shout out to everybody, including you, Marshall, and Lail, I listened to you guys in the tribute that you guys paid and taking all of the calls. It's the one good thing to come out of things like this, and that is to go down memory lane and give everybody a smile and hear voices you hadn't heard for a long time and didn't realize how much you missed those voices. and the score does those sorts of things. Anniversaries, unfortunately, deaths and memorials. We do those things very well here at the score, and it was just a great job by everybody involved.

No, it definitely starts with leadership when you talk about Mitch and Ryan and those guys and then the willingness for people who aren't even on these airwaves anymore, willing to come in and talk about someone who is so important to them, friend, mentor, coworker, and hearing some of those tributes,

And I thought my old partner, Dan Bernstein, put it pretty well when he said, you know, when he thinks about it and you want to be sad, you think about it for a minute and then you end up laughing. Because the good times are what you want to take with you. And when we talk about, you know, when someone that I know has lost someone close to them. Yeah. Something that was said to me many, many, many years ago is something that I will say sincerely. and that is may their memory be a blessing. And I think for all the people who did or did not know Terry Boers but knew of him and were affected by him as even just an audience member as he was putting on a show, his memory is a blessing to them because of what does he vote when you think of the impact that Terry Boers had on the media landscape, on a personal level with so many people.

And I thought that really shined through yesterday on our show and during that memorial as well. Yeah, yeah, it was great. And shout out to Chris Ranji, too. I caught some of his act as well. And he was terrific. And again, like, low-key, like a perfect guy to take the baton from Spiegel. Like, there's a lot of people who could have done that well and would have been qualified to do it. But the two right people did it.

It was perfect because, like, Matt had a deeper relationship with Terry, no doubt about it. obviously, but Chris had sort of the quintessential relationship with him, with the young, the producers had with him, that the update people had with him that they all looked up to him and what really resonated with me from all the things I heard. Everybody wanted to make Terry happy. Everybody wanted to make Terry laugh because of the audience and the critic that we knew he was. So that's all I wanted to say about it. Just a shout out to everybody, to the Boers family and all all of that. Like it was a really well done production on the score.

And quite frankly, really what it gets down to, Marshall, it was really good radio. It was really, really good radio because of how real it was. And that's the essence of what we do. And it's the essence of the score. Super authentic and necessary. From a therapeutic standpoint, from a closure standpoint,

although you're always going to take those memories with you, whether you were someone, as I said, close to him or just knew him from listening to him. The other thing that we do really well here at the score on Rahimi Harrison Grotie is to talk about the Chicago Bears. We do seem to do a lot of that. And it's been mostly favorable talk for the last year or so, really. Yeah, yeah, which is very uplifting.

But let's get into this, man, because the Caleb Williams conversation is never ending. It should never be. never-ending, even if he gets to a point where he is winning Super Bowls. It's always, Caleb is always going to be worth discussing, is what I'm saying here, no matter what. He's the quarterback of the Chicago Bears, and the person who is the quarterback of the Chicago Bears is always going to be talked about, whether it's positive, whether it's negative, when things are going good, when things are going to bad, he will be a focal point. You're the quarterback of the Chicago Bears. What I wanted to know at the start of the season is the same

question I've been asking for the last five years. Do the Bears have a franchise quarterback? I got that answer. I previously stated the Bears have their franchise quarterback. He should be here for a good decade, partnered up with Ben Johnson to do big things for the Bears. And what I came away with after the way the back half of the season went and understanding just how much he had developed in year one under Ben Johnson. And also understanding the history of quarterbacks for the Chicago Bears, the bears finally have a guy who not only can lead them to make them a great offensive unit,

but they also have the best quarterback they've ever had. And when I said it in my head, I was like, this needs to be brought to people's attention. Caleb Williams is the best quarterback this franchise has ever had. And it says two things. One, it says that Caleb Williams is starting to live up to his draft position of one. from two years ago. The other thing it says is the bar is kind of low when you look at the

history of quarterbacks for the Bears. I know the first two words people are going to bring up when I say this are Luckman and Sid and not in that order. And I get it. Sid Luckman was that dude. They didn't give out MVP's back when he played in the 1940s.

But he is a four-time NFL champion. He predates the Super Bowl era. He is a six-time all pro. He led the league in passing yards, passing touchdowns, and pass a rating three times. He is the most accomplished quarterback

in Bears history, no doubt. He was also running the freaking T formation, which has gone the way of the Model T. So let's be honest about what Sid Legman was and when he did it and the fact that he did it pre-integration. That's fair. And there are only

13 teams max when he was winning championships. It is a different landscape now, and I present to you Caleb Williams. And before, I'm going to be like, remember Eminem in 8 Mile, final battle, and he just talks badly about himself before, you know, I hand you the mic and you could say something bad about Caleb. I know his completion percentage isn't where he wants, where you want it to be. But I would argue as a guy who had more drop passes than everybody else, that's not all on him. I would also argue I'm good with him dirting balls as opposed to throwing bad balls that end up getting picked off because his completion percentage is put next to his interception percentage okay with me because you're not throwing the ball to the other team. I would also say, unlike his contemporaries, Super Bowl era quarterbacks, this is a guy who didn't have a super strong defense to rely on.

When you look at the defensive ranks of his team, total yards and points allowed, compared to teams in the past that went to the playoffs, it's like night and day. And I know that defense did create some takeaways, but at the same time, the reason they led the league in Turnover Marger, Margin is because he was not giving it away. So Caleb Williams, for me, he's already there. I think that there are, putting on my glasses, there are two real. challengers for the title of greatest Chicago Bears quarterback in Chicago Bears history. And by the way, I'm a little freaked out just that we're doing this and that you're proclaiming this and we're going there just because of here we are. Caleb Williams puts on a show in the final six, seven games of the season.

And now we have gotten to not only the level of we have a quarterback. And I agree, the Bears have a quarterback. This is you. Got the quarterback for the next 10 years. Have the greatest Bears quarterback in history. It's all happening really fast. You're putting that ring on very quickly. So I am just expressing a little bit of angst, a little bit of discomfort with your decision

to cohabitate already. Like, it's just you're two weeks into the relationship. And you're already moving in. Now you're on one knee at the Bulls game. And I had this happen the other day, by the way. I was the person sitting around the person that proposed at the Bulls Lakers. Right next to you? Right in front of me.

Right in front of me. They were a beautiful couple, and I kind of noticed that about them. I'm like, this is a cool-looking couple in front of us. And next thing, I know the guy's on one knee. Did she hesitate? She didn't, but she laughed at first, the big laugh, and then smiled and cried and did all the stuff. And then the camera guy came over, so it was on the Jumbotron. So it was beautiful.

But that's the analogy that's, like, circulating through my head. It's like you're skipping steps. And it's great. Everything is wonderful. Tell me what I'm skipping. Caleb has been great. But I think you're skipping really, like if the question is, if the statement is, Caleb Williams is the greatest quarterback the Chicago Bears have ever had.

Aren't we skipping steps if we're not giving that a real run for two quarterbacks? Jay Cotler and Jim McMahon. And then there's others in between too. A little bit too one-hit wonderish, like when we start to talk about the Air Kramer's of the world. And he did have a spectacular season. I mean, Caleb Williams broke his single season pass. record this year. Didn't get to that magical 4,000-yard mark, but he was able to break that.

So maybe I'll leave Eric Kramer out. But I do think you have to give some consideration to those two quarterbacks for obvious reasons when it comes to Jim McMahon. The man won a Super Bowl. He was 46, 15, and O as a Bears starter. His issue was, six and four in the playoffs, too, which probably could have been better, in all honesty. The issue with Jim McMahon was, and this is a deficit to him and an applause for Caleb, is durability.

Jim McMahon never once played a full, what was then, a 16-game season. Never. Even in the Super Bowl season, he played in 14 games. So the durability factor does hurt Jim McMahon, but the winning portion of it and the talent of the player, easy to overlook that with Jim McMahon because the defense was elite, and he did have Walter Payton on his side in his prime for at least a couple of the years that Jim McMahon was there. So let me ask you this serious question. Yeah, yeah.

On offense, how many future Hall of Famers does Caleb Williams have at the skill position? How many future Hall of Famers does Caleb Williams have right now? Like Barden on Hall of Famers? Zero. How many MVP's is he playing alongside? How many, is he, wait what? How many MVPs is Caleb Williams playing alongside? Uh, zero.

Okay. Jim McMahon? Can I ask that same question about him? Absolutely. Like, Hall of Famers on offense? Okay, well, I guess... Skill position. Just... This is a very quick question to answer. I was going to skill position would be Walter. Yeah. That would be it, though. Yeah. Last I checked. Ain't nobody going to the Hall of Fame out of the running back position for Caleb Williams. That's true. So you're saying that Jim had it easy because he had Walter Payton. In that gear you're talking about, you mentioned elite defense. I just want to be very clear

about that. The number one defense in both points and total yardage. He wasn't being asked to do the things that Caleb had to do. How many comebacks did he have in the fourth quarter? Six. How do we grade that? Because football was different then. Running the football was more

important. You could make an argument then, at least what was valued, was more important. That's the thing that gets twisted sometimes with Jim McMahon specifically. People who watched those, I watched every game Jim McMahon played in with the Bears. When he had to make throws, when he was allowed to throw the ball, he was very good, and he made big plays. And look, if you want to reduce him

to quarterback manager, that's fine because that was more of what it was during that time. But he threw, and he was good, and he can make big time plays, too. I can't wait to continue this conversation because I have more. All right, Marshall's got more. And you know what, the phone lines are open. 312, 644, 67, 67. Is Caleb Williams the best quarterback in Bay, history. Marshall says yes, I'm just pushing back. I don't know what conclusion I'll make by the end of the hour. And the reason I said best and not greatest is something you used to describe it is because greatest, I think, connotates something different than best. Best just means I turn on the tape, watch this guy play, watch these other guys play. You're going to believe your lying eyes or not?

Right. Right. And I don't want to go back to Sid Luckman. You made good points. I watched the video, both in the black and white and when it got to color. Those were also 11 game seasons. You know what I mean? It keeps advancing. There's a lot of parameters I think we have to keep in mind and try to do a better job of defining. But come on in. 312, 644, 67, 67 is the number. The text lines are open as well.

It's Rahimi, Harris, and Grotie on Chicago Sports Radio 670 to score. Lela Rahimi, Marshall Harris, Mark Grody, Midday's 10 a.m. to 2 on Chicago Sports Radio 670, the score. Fourth down in four, 14 of the Rams. Shotgun snap goes back four, four-man rush. He's chased, he's flushed, he's all the way back to the 40. He's back peddling and throws a pass into the end. Chicago has got a touchdown pass with Cole come in, open in the corner.

If you hadn't seen it, you would not believe it. 18 seconds left. Pandemonium at Soldier Field. That never goes out of style. thanks to a friend of the program. Kevin Harlan right there. It's Rahimi Harris and Grotie on Chicago Sports Radio 670. The score asking you,

are you ready to proclaim to go along with the idea that Caleb Williams is the greatest Chicago Bears quarterback ever? Are we heading into a dangerous territory even asking that question? 312, 644, 67, 67 is the number. We will definitely take some of the number. we will definitely take some of your calls on that. If I may, Marshall, I would like to present the opposing opinion. The one, because I'm listening.

That's what's going on with me. Of course you're listening. I'm listening and I'm pushing back and I'm challenging you on other quarterbacks that were not great, but would challenge Caleb Williams for greatest Chicago Bears quarterback ever. And right now, just to catch people up, I would say, let's say, let's. Let's deep dive Jim McMahon, which we kind of did already before the break. And let's talk about Jake Cutler a little bit before we really jump to conclusions.

Fair. It's fair to do that. You know, the reason why you are listening and you're open is because I've slowly over the course of less than a year, Mark, that we've been working together on this show, worked you out of your PTSD, bears related, on many different things. and I think quarterback is one of them. And I think that's the reason why you and other Caleb, I'm not there yet people, would be reticent, hesitant to just say, yeah, he's the guy. I get that.

But Caleb, with the comebacks, with having to be the actual engine, with all these other teams you're talking about, they had a defense and a running game, and it was like the quarterback hopefully doesn't screw it up. That's been kind of the method. method of operation for the Chicago Bears. Now we have a guy who's only in year two,

who's only had one year with a new head coach. And he's had how many offensive coordinators in that time? How many guys have been called in place since he became an NFL quarterback? Multiple. More than two. And I think the thing that what you need to see right now is when you turn on the freaking tape and you watch the number of throws that he's made

and the armed talent that he has and the use of said arm talent to win not just games but big games and big spots that's what separates Caleb Williams is because he has to be the guy these other guys that we're talking about didn't have to be the guy necessarily on the teams that they were on

yeah I mean I think you know with Cutler who was here 2009 to 2016 interestingly enough the year before he came to the bear he had 4,526 yards. What did he never do with the Chicago Bears? So for 4,000 yards.

No, it's just funny, like as I went back and, you know, thinking as much as I think I know about bears' history and bears' quarterbacks, you always learn something, or at least your memory is res stimulated as to things that are going on with these players. That did go on with these players. Hey, Grot, you know what he immediately did when he became a Chicago bear? Immediately? With loss to the Packers.

Well, that too. Guess what? Caleb already has more wins over the Packers than that guy. That's a point of your favor, pal. Justin Fields and Mitch Trubisky combined. I want to point that out. He's three and two. And on top of that, the first thing he did was said,

I'm going to lead the league with 26 interceptions. And he said, in another season, I'll also lead the league with 18 interceptions. Counterpoint. Caleb Williams has never come close to leading the league in interceptions. counterpoint. Jay Cutler got the Bears to the title game in the year 2010. And had, and did, while he never did reach 4,000 yards, he had a couple of, I mean, like a 3,700 yard

or 3,800, he was always good. Well, I can't say he was always good at the end. And look, there were moments, so I'm not going to really do this serious deep dive on Jay Cutler. Well, maybe I should, maybe a little bit. And that is, look, Jake Cutler's problem with the bears, never lived up to the expectation, never lived up to the hype, I suppose it was. He did not ultimately win enough, but his bugaboo on the field was thinking he could make every single throw. And he did have an extraordinary arm. And there were throws that he made that others couldn't make.

But too many times he was the guy that said, oh, there's three guys draping that dude. Watch this. And he got more times than not in key moments that felt like he got burned. Hey, Mark, thanks for making my point for me. Because Jay Cutler thinks he can make every throw. Caleb Williams has shown you he can make every throw. Well, that's for sure. Well, no, Jay Cutler couldn't make every throw. But I'm saying that he did in dangerous situations.

And Caleb has done that too, where he's tried to throw into coverage. And you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. And I know the quantity is not large of interceptions for Caleb Williams. But there have been times you're like, how did you think you were going to get that in there? I think it's all situational. The context is important. and I think you're talking about big spots. And Caleb, when he throws an interception on a fourth down that's basically a punt,

I'm not really upset with that. Look at his last throw of the season. We don't even know definitively why it went wrong, but I would argue Caleb should have thrown the check down. That's just my personal opinion. And he's not getting indicted for it, though. No, I've killed him for it. I said, I think that's more on Caleb than it is on DJ Moore.

Really? And I think it's more on Ben Johnson than either one of those guys. Then you've been the voice. that has not been used because I mean to me it's like if you did like a poll it's 85% DJ more. Let's put it this way. 85% not Caleb's fault. Nope.

I didn't hear any outrage. I think that's based on Caleb being the guy who put them a position to even be. And it's justified. Yes. Two things can be true. I think you're right. I think you're right in that case. Nah, I can make any throw.

See? And he's been doing it all season long. The best thing that Tim Jenkins ever told us over a course of us having him on every Tuesday for a whole season, by the way, was Tim Jenkins explaining when he goes to look at like the highlight throws that he wants to, he'll go through some guys and there'll be a whole season, maybe like three throws. He says, Caleb Williams does that. And it's a collection of throws, multiples for each game of amazing throws.

That to me tells you what it is and what it ain't. Well, and that is, like if we're just separating from the argument or whatever this is that's happening right now from my side. He's just the best player to ever play the position for the Chicago Bears. opinion on Caleb, like, was throughout the season, you know, there was some moments early in the season where I was like, I don't know, I'm not sure what's going on here with Caleb. He's going to get it back. Then the last five or six games of the season, he changed my mind, like in terms of the throws that he was making. And to a point where I have, unfortunately, because it's not

cool to be aligned with the bears. It's just not. I am aligned with the bears opinions on Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson and Ryan Polls specifically, as in, oh yeah, we got our quarterback. This guy does spectacular things, but there's a few more things, a few more levels that we have to go here before that guy is an autopilot. And I completely agree with you. And I just want to let everyone who's listening understand this. I'm just saying, get on the train now. Don't get on the train when it's overcrowded four or five stops down the way. You're not going to allow them on the crowded train. Is there room for them? It's a train. Be down on the L. Just be like one of the conductors that nice to says, don't worry. There's another train right behind that you can get on.

Listen, Mark, I'm counting down the days to where you're like, hey, Marshall, you're right. He is the quarterback for the next 10 years. And that day is coming. Sooner than you want to admit. Hey, I got what I wanted out of this season. I know the Bears have a quarterback. Let's take some of these calls before I don't take the calls. 3-1-2-6-44-67.

Bob's been waiting. He's in Libertyville. What's going on? Bob? You're on Rahimi-Harrison Grody on the score. Hey, guys. Hey, Mark. Can we stop with the boomer and unc takes of the 85 bears in comparison to today's modern NFL

offensive? Let me ask you this. How do you go about that when the quarterbacks were asked to do things differently back then? For sure, if Jim McMahon was asked to throw the ball 30 times a game,

25 to 30 times a game, maybe he would have the numbers of some of the elite quarterbacks now. So while I appreciate the boomer attack, I get it? No, I really do. And I'm not a boomer, but I understand where they call.

I really do. But it was different. So you also are not accounting for that. Like you could boom me all you want, but you're not. Mark, you're not accounting for today's defenses play at a speed way faster than those 85 defenses play. They were based off of intimidation, lack of rules that allowed for late hits and intimidation. Today is based on scheme and speed. How about how protected the quarterbacks are today?

You can't touch a quarterback. How about Jim McMahon? Jim McMahon getting demolished and hurt guys having it out. Gilbert Brown, like, well, not Gilbert Brown, who's my guess? Well, how many picks did he throw in the 80s, okay, with the lack of speed

and scheme going on? So how would lack of intimidation and late hits help his stats? If he was playing against slower defenses where guys were having cigarettes at halftime... So you don't... But you obviously don't didn't watch Jim McMahon. You're assuming,

assuming Jim McMahon couldn't keep up with the speed of players today. I guess that's what you're doing, although even though you haven't ever seen the guy play, and I'm guessing you probably haven't even watched highlights. Is he gone? Okay. Honestly, like, it doesn't make me mad when people, like, because I get tired of it,

having to reference the 80s bears. And it was a spectacular time, too, all the same. I'll never take that away from, like, my enjoyment of it. But I hate to have to reference. reference that, but if you don't put Jim McMahon in, and by the way, I haven't even said that Jim McMahon was better. I'm just saying that you have to put Jim McMahon and Jay Cutler into, it's just not as easy of a slam dunk for me to just say that Caleb is the greatest of all time. And you are, you're being ignorant, quite frankly, if you don't put, if you don't

discuss Jim McMahon, even though that caller didn't want anything to do with it. No, no, I understand what you're doing, because you're saying, as soon as I say Caleb Williams is the best to ever play the position for the Chicago Bears. Jarring. The first thing you have to do is be like, well, if it's not Caleb, then who is it? That's the best you came up with. And it's a huge statement, too. And I get it.

I don't think it's that big of a statement. Because the field isn't good, but it's still a huge statement. Like, just the fact that you can make it is huge. Like, it's a revelation that we're having this conversation about a present quarterback. So it is big. It is something that takes processing, and it is something that requires Jim McMahon. and quarterbacks from way back when in boomer time and the prehistoric times, unfortunately have to be part of the conversation.

What up, Sid. No, I've not noticed. I've left Sid behind. Sid is gone now. You're with me. Yeah, yeah. You have to mention him just to give the qualifications and to the process of elimination as well. I think the process of elimination is going to be over very quickly when we get back to these phone calls next time.

Well, we're going to do that. And, and, oh, there is somebody else. who has a distinct opinion about... I'll address that as well. The other side, he happens to be my partner on the Take the North podcast. He's Dan Weeder. I brought this topic up to him at the end of the episode that we recorded yesterday that's out right now if you want to check it out, Take the North.

Take the North. He was way more scared of the topic than I might be coming across to our audience right now. I've coached you out of it. I don't spend enough time with Dan to coax him out of that PTSD. Well, and actually, I do believe Dan is. filling in for Lawrence Holmes today. Oh, we're going to... Oh, transition's going to be great.

Double weedsy is happening today. So we will get Wheaters' opinion. We'll get more of your phone calls in here at 312, 644, 67. It is Rahimi Harrison Grody on the score. We got a boomer. Listen to Rahimi Harrison Grody on the Odyssey and IHard radio apps. I mean, we like Bill Wayne, right? Even though we had the scuffle with him.

Lil Wayne apologized. He showed accountability. Good, good enough. For Heimie Harrison Grotie on the score. Caleb Williams, the greatest quarterback ever in Chicago Bears history. Yes, he's the best quarterback to ever do it. I don't know if I'd call him the greatest, but he's the best quarterback that Chicago Bears have ever had playing that position.

Let's get back to the phones here. It's Patrick in Logan Square. Hi, Patrick. You're on the score. Hey, good morning, guys. My comment is for Marshall, basically. What up? I'm not saying Jay Cutler is better than Caleb or anything like that, but you guys were talking interceptions.

And Jay had a tendency to throw interceptions from time to time. He did. But, you know, in two postseason games, when it's one and done and the pressure's on, Caleb threw five interceptions in those two games. That just, you know, causes me some pause, I guess, basically. I mean, in those pressure-packed games like that, not saying that he hasn't performed in the other games during the regular season, but five interceptions in two postseason games is quite a bit.

No, I completely agree with you, and I think all interceptions are not created equally. You'd agree with that, right? As far as time and place and where you are on the field, and if it's fourth down, an interception is not nearly as bad as, you know, other places in a drive? No, I agree with you. You know, there's tipped balls to consider.

There's all kinds of different things. to play into an interception. It's not just always, you know, a poor throw or a bad judgment, but Caleb does, I mean, Caleb's got the mentality that Jay Cutler had. I mean, Caleb thinks he can make any throw at any time, just like Kotler did. And I don't, again, I'm not trying to say that Jay Cutler is as good as Caleb or that Caleb, you know, is, I think Caleb, the jury's still out for me. I think Caleb has done some amazing things, but I still think that he's got a lot to prove over the course of time. And I'm going to be one that sits back and really enjoys watching him play and to see how

this all turns out. All that being said, who's the best quarterback in Bears history? Well, you know, I had season tickets for a really long time. And that was during, we got him during the Bears run to the Super Bowl. And I love Jim McMahon. He was certainly one that was a gunslinger. out there like a lot of these guys are. I thought he could make all the throws and was really just put it on the line all the time.

And it is a different era. But I mean, up to this point in just the short period of time that we've seen, Caleb, you know, I have to say Caleb. I'm hesitant to do that. But Caleb's probably the best quarterback up to this point in his career that the Bears have. All right. Thanks, man. I understand the other points.

You know, Jim McMahon, different era, great quarterback. One of the gutsiest guys you'd ever want to see out there at the position. I mean, he took a beating out there and still came back for more all the time. I really appreciate the time, guys. But it was, it's good to talk to you. I listen to every day. Thank you. Every single day.

I'm in the car all the time. I'm in sales, and I listen to the score exclusively, and you guys are great. You are awesome, too, Patrick. We appreciate you listening. You see how Patrick said all that? He did. It was a really good call. Yeah.

You too. Like that whole conversation was very healthy. Because I'm respectful. I'm going to listen to what he has to say. But at the end of the day, I just wanted to make sure everybody understood. He knew I was right. And that's the point. Well, I'm helping to people who are uncomfortable.

They're uncomfortable because of the PTSD of lackluster bears quarterback play over the last. You just name the number of years you want. And I'm helping them get comfortable with this idea because it's the truth. It just feels the, and I think it's hitting other Bears fans the similar to the way it's hitting me. Absolutely. I can't sit here and shout you down and say, you're a. crazy for saying that, but it's also weird or maybe awkward is the word to say something with that sort of gusto, that sort of heat to say that he is the greatest Bears quarterback in history.

I mean, you got to pause, you got to discuss it, you got to think about it, and maybe you do like the call it did, like Patrick did. He came to the conclusion that, you got me, it's Caleb, it's Caleb. I know someone who did not come to that conclusion. Let's listen to that right now, as a matter of fact. The person's voice who you will hear from momentarily is Dan Weiderer of the Athletic and, of course, famously, of the Take the North podcast. He and I perform that podcast together. There's an episode up right now if you want to hear the full episode.

But at the very end of the episode that you may or may not want to listen to or here, I tease the topic that we are doing right now here. And this is going to satiate a segment of the listeners right now. here is Dan Wheater's reaction to that. Nope. And I would push back on this strongly. And my pushback would be not yet. Don't do this again, Chicago.

Don't start hanging the mission accomplished banners too early. You can't do it. And I am a little bit worried. I'm a little bit worried about this offseason for the psyche of a city that just can't control itself sometimes. And I'm going to get a lot of pushback on this and a lot of blowback for saying this. but like this is what Ben Johnson is talking about. This is what he's trying to get through to Caleb Williams when he talks about like there is no building off this.

Like that's over. There was some really special things here. We can get very easily intoxicated by the highest of the highs and the flashes that Caleb showed. But my God, man, you got to have more than one playoff victory before we start talking about all time best, right? Like you've got to have the ability to look, like I get it.

He's the single season leader in, passing yards, right? Like he broke that record this year. It's a record that stood the test of time for too long. But man, like, I just, oh, you brought that up and it was a pop quiz. I wasn't ready for this. And you're feeling the raw general reaction

to me of being like, don't do this. Don't go there so fast Chicago. Just take the time. You can't handle the truth. Dan Weeder appalled on the Take the North. He said you hit him with the speed. And he's Keanu Reeves trying to figure out.

out what's going on. It's like, pop quiz. No, but listen, again, I want to go back to my first off statement. The most accomplished quarterback in Bears history is 1943 NFL MVP Sid Luckman. He is the most accomplished. But the best quarterback? Stop. If you, if I, as like, the Bears have to go win a game today. Who do you want a quarterback? And he's going to have to, like, throw the ball and do things, not just hand off to, I don't know, Walter Payton. I think that I've made it very, clear that I'll take Caleb Williams in the fourth, like he has, I'm sold on the fourth quarter, I'm sold on the, on the

game winning throws. You don't have to talk me into that part about Caleb Williams in any way, shape, or form. He's the best quarterback they've ever had, period, point blank. That's, that's, that's, and I understand why you have reservation. I understand why Dan has reservations. I'm so glad he's in today. Yeah. My goodness, transition

it's going to be. To be continued. It's going to be great. Yeah, 2 p.m. is when Dan Weeter will come shuffling in with Speigs and we can reenact this conversation. It's going to be a great time. Are you convinced? Are you convinced yet, Mark? Am I convinced?

I don't know if I'm convinced. I feel like you're on the fence. I'm not convinced with the idea of proclaiming something like that after two years of being a quarterback. Okay, you don't have to proclaim it. Just uncomfortable. What are you observing? I'm still trying to figure out just a little, and this is in a word very late in the game

here. But when you say best quarterback, do you just mean like most? talent, like arm talent, because you said you sort of... Jay Culler had a lot of art talent. Because you did dismiss, and you said it, and I'm not coming at you for it, that you're not including the winning

portion is not big in your quotient, obviously, when you say that he's the best quarterback of all time because we know who the winners were. And Jay Coutler, by the way, one of those. Jay Cudler was a winner when you had two winning seasons out of how many? I'm saying, if we're talking about all the big marbles, getting to the NFC title game. Jay Cutler did do that for a team.

I'm sorry? Jay Cutler had one NFC title game appearance in how many seasons, and Caleb Williams has one playoff win in two seasons? But doesn't that by definition say, yeah, you're right. He's right on the cusp of it, but he's not there yet if he hasn't gotten them. No, no, no, I'm saying it's a portion of it. It's a piece of the pie, but I don't think it's as big a piece of pie as you're making it. I'm just saying he's the best.

He's better than Jay Culler, and if you had a game you had to win, you would take him over Jay Culler. We are excited about our Caleb Williams and our FM debut. This Monday on 104-3, the score. That's right. All score shows, Cubs and Bulls games on FM, high fidelity all the time,

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Mike Florio is indeed the creator and editor-in-chief of pro football. Talk. Joining us now on the Circa Resort and Casino hotline is Mike Floreo. Circa Las Vegas.com. Mike, how are you? You know, I am a child because I look forward

to the ability to flash the thumbs and activate the fireworks. And I've learned I've learned you only get one chance to do it. After you do it the first time, the thumbs don't work anymore. Okay, we'll be monitoring you. We'll be monitoring the situation.

sure our friends on Twitch will be monitoring the situation. Things are so good here, by the way, Florio, that we just did an hour of radio on the following question. Is Caleb Williams the greatest quarterback in Bears history? We can do that in Chicago, Mike. Wow. Well, and I'll give you a little nugget that I picked up yesterday from Chris Sims. We do PFT Live three or four times a week. he ran into Michael J. Fox, of all people, last weekend at dinner. And Michael J. Fox is a big Caleb Williams fan. So he has that going for him, which is nice. That is nice.

Anytime one of the Keaton's gets on board, so you know you're doing well in life, at least financially, because I know how Mr. Keaton rolls. Listen. Now I'm running through all the names. We had Alex P. Alex P. We had Mallory. Malory.

Mallory. Yeah. Oh, Mallory. Who's his name? Who was the boyfriend was Nick, right? Remembering Nick? Oh, hey, yo, Mallory. The meathead, yes. See, now I'm acting like a boomer. That's family ties for all of you who are not quite to the boomer stage of your life, like Margrody is.

Which we are not. But if you're over 37, you're a boomer. Yeah, he was called a boomer earlier today. I think it hit him a little hard, Mike. And I said there's nothing wrong with being a boomer. That just means you have lived a good long life. That's all that that means. Speaking of... Hey, if we're lucky, we're all going to get there. That was how I dealt with, I think, turning 40. Mitch Album's book Tuesdays with Mori was a great perspective check.

Like, the idea is we all get one ride from cradle to grave. And the goal is to keep the grave part from happening as long as possible. And to live every moment, every year, get the most out of everything that we do. And so I don't care. 40 bothered me more than 60. The only one that bothered me really was 23 because you spend your whole life getting older and looking forward to something.

I can drive when I'm 16. I can vote when I'm 18. I can drink when I'm 21. You get to 22, you're still 21. You get to 23 and it's like, there's really no other number to aspire to. There's no other good number out there. I would argue 25 just because you can rent a car

without paying the extra surcharge. That be my number. But I agree. I see what you're doing there, Mike. I definitely agree with that. Speaking of waiting a while to get somewhere, you say that at the same time, I saw Mike McCarthy's introductory press conference for the Pittsburgh Steelers, a team that I covered when they hired Mike Tomlin.

And I just thought it to be such a shocking other side of the coin, if you will, from not only what the Steelers have done over the last 60-plus years, but also just Mike McCarthy coming home. Oh, that part of it is such a great story. We rarely see that, a guy coaching or playing for the team that he grew up rooting for. And Mike McCarthy oozes Pittsburgh. You can hear it in every word that comes out of his mouth. But at the same time, they got some work to do to get the Steelers fans on board with it.

And I think at the core, and I've been thinking about this for a few days. And I'm in Steelers country. I'm 100 miles south of Accure Stadium right now. A lot of Steelers fans around. they were all perplexed. And I think that the core is they feel like they should be getting guys who are in demand. And McCarthy hasn't exactly been a hot commodity. John Harbaugh gets fired. They're lining up for a chance to hire him. Teams that haven't fired their head coaches yet are calling John Harbaugh's agent to inquire as to whether or not he'd be interested. McCarthy was fired,

contract not renewed, however you want to apply. When your contract's not renewed, you're fired. By the Cowboys last year, he got one interview last year with the Bears. This year he had two, with the Titans and with the Giants. And then the Steelers had a vacancy and he became one of the candidates and he got the job. And they hired him before they even had a chance to do an in-person interview with the Rams candidates. So it's just so different, so dramatically different from how the Steelers have done it in the past. And to hire someone that it's, it's a feels like he didn't have a plan B. It's not like he's choosing between the Steelers and the Browns, the Steelers and the Ravens, Steelers, and the Titans, Steelers, and this, Steelers, and

that. It was the Steelers or nothing, by all appearances. And I think Steelers fans have a much higher regard for their team than that outcome would suggest. What about the Aaron Rogers part of this? Does Mike McCarthy really want Aaron Rogers to still be there? Would Rogers want to reunite with McCarthy. The reporting from Tyler Dunn, who was with Bleacher Report at the time in 2019, paints a picture that would suggest to a reasonable observer that Rogers doesn't want to play for McCarthy again. And I would assume that after more than a decade with Rogers,

McCarthy isn't interested in a 42-year-old version of Aaron Rogers being his quarterback. Now, it's important for the Steelers to say all the wrong. right things. And McCarthy said yesterday he definitely wants Aaron Rogers back. But that's just a one-year band-aid. And at some point, Father Time is going to win. Father Time is going to kick your ass if you keep playing long enough. We've already seen Aaron Rogers mobility diminished to the point where he's a pocket passer who's got to get rid of the ball quickly. And I suspect that that the Steelers know they need to let Aaron Rogers be the one to say no thank you. Look at what happened last year. I don't think Rogers wanted to stay with the Jets, but the Jets were the ones who told

no thanks, and what occurred? He put the jets on blast when it came out that the jets didn't want him and they made him fly cross country and they didn't want to hear his input after all his years of experience. It was just, we're going in a different direction. We're done here. So I think they just need to be very careful and they need to let him make a decision while they make plans for the future. And it sounds like McCarthy really likes Will Howard. So it seems that if Rogers doesn't come back, Howard's going to have the chance to develop and play, and we'll see where it goes. You know, McCarthy's lucked into some very good quarterback situations in Green Bay and Dallas.

We'll see if they can develop a guy in Will Howard. Mike Floria, the editor-in-chief and the creator of pro football talk, joining us every week here on Rahimi Harrison Grody. Mike, the biggest news concerning the NFL is what did not happen, and that is Bill Belichick, not becoming a first ballot hall of famer by reporting out of ESPN. And I got to ask you, how shocking is this? And what do you think happens because of this? Well, Peter King put it best in words that we can't say,

lest we all be fined and or fired and worse. But it was stunning. And I said something to Tom Curran, who covers the Patriots for NBC Sports Boston on PFT Live, when Belichick made it to the point where he was on the T for consideration. If this guy doesn't get in on the first ballot, It's a travesty to end all travesty. I guess at some level I sensed, given the way that they've operated in the past,

Chris Carter got passed over for a couple of times because they didn't like him. Terrell Owens got passed over once or twice because they didn't like him. And the process is conducive to people acting out on whatever petty grudges they hold with someone. So the process itself is a problem. The way they vote now, I won't belabor the point and go into the details. But it was stunning that he did. didn't make it because if he's not a first ballot Hall of Famer, if he's not a Hall of Famer, there's a lot of busts in Canton that need to be melted down and turned into cufflinks.

Because there are people in there who should not be in there, if Bill Belichick should not be in there. And hopefully it's going to spark an overhaul to the whole process. How they do the voting? Who does the voting? There's a lot of people that have no business voting. And I'm not saying that because I want to vote because I don't. But I think they need to go back to square one and look at this whole process again because it's clearly flawed and it undermines the integrity of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, which indirectly undermines the integrity of the National Football League.

Is the solution transparency? How much more will we get a better process if we just had public ballots? Well, I think that's part of it. And you're going to have some people who don't want their vote to be public. Well, fine, step aside for someone who has no problem with making it public. Why shouldn't people be expected to put their name on their vote. There's a power that comes with the anonymity, especially because of the current process. It used to be each finalist had an up or down vote. You voted for him or against him, and it was an 80% threshold. Now, and I will delve into the details a little bit, just to show you how ridiculous it is. Bill Belichick was in the same bucket with Robert Kraft, Ken Anderson, Roger Craig, and Elsie Greenwood. Five finalists. Of those,

those five, each of the 50 voters voted for three. So nobody voted against Belichick. They voted for someone else. And it's possible of all the reasons that have been articulated, and there are many possible reasons for not putting him on the card, it could be that someone just wanted to help the other guys, and they thought, Belichick surely getting in. There's no reason for me to vote for Belichick. And all it takes is 11 out of 50 to not put him on the card, and he's bounced. Yeah, so it could be just egregious in that he was left off because they thought someone else would do the work that they were there to do. Exactly.

I mean, who knows what the reason is because, number one, we don't know who voted no. And it would be nice if the folks who did would identify themselves and explain their reasoning. I'd love to know. Surely there's a reason why he didn't put him on the list. Why did you put Kraft Greenwood and Anderson or Anderson, Craig, and Kraft, or whoever, whoever? But, you know, the way this thing works now, of the same five, it wasn't the same five people, but it was the same category that resulted in five. Only one guy made it last year in Sterling Shark. I think they need to go back to once you have your list of finalists in every given year, it needs to be, let's take up this person and let's do a yes or no vote and not get caught up in this weird mechanism that can leave people out accidentally. It is a very odd mechanism. And we'll talk more about DeBelichick and the whole thing. here on Rahimi Harrison Grotty a little bit later on. But Mike Florio, for God's sakes, the Cleveland Browns have a head coach.

Somebody finally raised their hand, and it was Todd Munkin. Now the ex-Baltimore Ravens Offensive Coordinator takes that gig, and I think that's a pretty good product that Cleveland just got. The guy that interviewed with the Bears for their head coaching job that I supported and would have, at the very least, liked to have seen be the OC of Chicago. What do you think about that hiring? Well, as of a week ago, Jim Schwartz was gaining momentum in league circles to be the next head coach of the Browns. And as one source put it to me, the Browns have to decide do they want to promote him or do they want to lose him or risk losing him?

And there's been reporting in the moments we've been on the air and I apologize for my dings that have been coming through. But Schwartz is out. He wants out. He's under contract for one more year. He doesn't want to stay. And if I'm Tom Munkin, I don't want the guy who finished second or third in the building because I need to be. to take control of this team. And I don't need an offensive defensive fracture when things start to go south because they surely will for every team at some point. Nobody has a perfect, well,

the dolphins did, but very few teams have a perfect season start to finish without some speed bumps. And if you have two coaches in the locker room, that's not going to be good. So they're going to have to find a new coordinator. And Schwartz has been there three years. In 2023, they finished first in the NFL in total defense based on yards allowed per game. year they finished second just one yard per game behind the Texans that's how good they've been and maybe they're thinking you know what we'll find a coordinator because we've got good defensive players it's more important to find somebody to fix the offense because the offense has not nearly been good enough and we look at the way that this is kind of shaking out I think the biggest

news for me concerning the Browns was this but the second biggest news is Shadour Sanders is a pro bowler and I'm sorry Mike I can't take this serious What are your thoughts on the Pro Bowl existing in its current Pro Bowl games form and the way that they go about naming players and then, of course, alternates? And that's how we get a guy who had 10 touchdown, seven interceptions and not very good stats. Well, Tyler Huntley was a pro bowler as the third string quarterback of the Ravens a few years ago. When you have a system that allows injured guys and the Super Bowl participants to tap out, you're going to dip deeper and deeper, especially because usually the Super Bowl, Bo participants of teams that make it, they've got a bunch of guys that made the Pro Bowl. So you've got a lot of spots that you need to replace.

As long as people watch whatever they put on the air, they're going to keep doing something. You know, even when the Pro Bowl was too hand touch in full pads, it did a good number. Skills competition on the Sunday between the conference championships and the Super Bowl did a good number. This year, it's a Tuesday night, more of a studio-based flag football game, and they're really leaning into the whole flag football thing in advance of the Olympics. Let's see what kind of number it does. If it ever gets to a point where it's not profitable, they'll

get rid of it. But yeah, it's a joke in comparison to what it once was and I'm not suggesting there should be a full contact, full speed, go get them pro bowl like there used to be when I was a kid and it was exciting because there's no reason to get yourself injured. If you're healthy enough to play a football game

in early February, you shouldn't be playing a football game in early February and getting yourself injured for the two months that you have to relax. You don't want to be getting surgery. You don't want to go through rehab. You don't want to hurt your potential free agency value. So I think they just need to get rid of everything but naming the team. And then you don't have to worry about replacements. You don't have to worry about the teams that make it to the Super Bowl and adding more guys to the Pro Bowl roster. Just name the Pro Bowl teams and be done with it. Yep. Yep. And we all know that

being named All-Pro is the much bigger deal. And we talked about it before we even came on. I mean, like, Mitch Trubisky was a pro bowler in the year 2018. Of course, the now famous backup quarterback. Mike, thank you so much for your time. We always appreciate you coming on with us, man. Thanks, Mike. Thanks, guys. Good talking to you. Yep, absolutely. There goes Mike Florio pro football talk. By the way, the reason I have a little bit of affection and affinity, I suppose he could say, for Todd Munkin, the new head coach of the Cleveland Browns is because he is from the area. He is from Wheaton, went to Wheaton North, more than. importantly to me, it's either

as dad or uncle, I should know. Bob Munkin was a famous, famous is the right word, but a great head coach at the high school that I attended, Lake Park High School. Bob Munkin was there for decades and decades. It was an absolutely classic.

And Jeff of the Munkins is the, I believe he's the head coach at Army. So it's a football local football coaching community. Todd Munkin is Bob Munkin's son. He is. Okay, so Todd of Monkens is Bob of the Monkens son. I went to Lake Park with Bob Monken. Never played football for him. I made my choices. I did. When we return here on Rahimi Harris and Grody,

I thought we slide in real nice, like, let's slide in a little baseball talk. I see what you did there with the play on words. Oh, yeah. Just slide right in like your PCA because the Cubs have gotten better, but do they have what it takes to go further than what they did last year. We'll discuss next on Rahimi Harrison Grotie on the score. Rahimi Harrison Grotie, midday's 10 a.m. to two on Chicago Sports Radio 670 the score. 100%. And for me, one of the things that you need first and foremost is the people. And from the Cubs front office to the coaching staff, to the guys in that clubhouse, they're winners. and I'm looking forward to taking the field with them.

The Cubs got Alex Bregman. Why do you say that was such disbelief and shock? Because sometimes stuff just re-hits you. It didn't feel like that was going to happen. It didn't feel like the Cubs were going to spend the money to do that. And they already struck out the first time they tried to get Bregman. So it's really nice to, again, bring that to the center stage here on Rahimi Harris and Grody. the score that Alex Bregman is here, and we all know what an upgrade that is just for the team in general.

You bring in a promising young pitcher in Edward Cabrera. The Cubs are better. The Cubs roster right now is better than the team that won a playoff series last year. And what a nice ride it was. Now, as you look back on it, the Cubs won a playoff series. It didn't work out against the Milwaukee Brewers, but they won a playoff series. So now, in theory, you set the bar higher. I know the Cubs are better right now.

What I don't know, and I am a little bit concerned about, are the Cubs good enough to go beyond winning one playoff series, to get to the National League Championship series, to win multiple series in the playoffs? Are they good enough to do that? And the reason I'm hesitating and maybe even saying no right now is because of the scary upgrades that, have occurred throughout the National League.

We know the Dodgers. That's the usual suspect right there, getting Kyle Tucker just adding on to a team that already won the World Series against the Blue Jays. The Phillies, a 96-win team last year. They re-up with Schwabre and Real Muto. And the Mets, everybody's like, what about the Mets? Yeah, the Mets.

A team that was 83 and 79 last year, Boba Chet is there. Freddie Peralta is there. Your guy, Luis Robert, is now there. Is he my guy? He is your guy. You are the White Sox guy here. So that is therefore henceforth, the way it works here at the score, he is your guy. But we got rid of him.

But he's still your guy. Okay. Play the game with me. I'll play the game. He's your guy. I'll play the freaking game. All right. So you see what I'm cooking up here?

Yes. I'm a little bit concerned about the upgrades and teams sprouting further like the Mets in terms of getting in the way of the Cubs advancing on to the NLCS is where I'm setting the bar right now, and be real nice to see them in the World Series too. I mean, let's just go straight to the team that took one of the best players off of the Cubs and added to their roster, along with a closer, by the way, the Los Angeles Dodgers. If you show me where the Dodgers are in the playoff bracket, I'll show you how far the Cubs can go. Because the Cubs can beat all the other teams.

R-A. Absolutely. They can beat all the other teams, but the Dodgers feel like, and I could be wrong, because injuries happen and things happen, and you can make acquisitions. There's guys out there right now. Frambler Valdez, Zach Gallen. There's guys you can get right now if you wanted to make a stronger push. I think they need that still.

Like, as good as it's been, hey, Jed Hoyer, it's been a really good offseason. But I think if you want to do better than you did last year, even having a better roster right now, There needs to be more done. Now, the safe haven, and I'll put that in air quotes, is the division in which you play. In the National League Central right now, the Cardinals are letting everybody go. Everybody must go.

There goes Nolan Aronado. Oh, we don't need Sony Gray anymore. Wilson Contreras no longer with the Cardinals. So you see what they are doing under new management right there. And I hesitate here. You can just speak on Milwaukee if you want because the Peralta is not there. But it doesn't matter. He was like, someone can naysay them, but it won't be Mark Grody for a third straight year.

Mark Grody keeps doing that, and he wants to do it. Have you learned your lesson? Is the third time the charm? He wants to do it really badly right now. What do you want to say right now? I want to say, you're damn right, Milwaukee can't beat the Cubs next year. What happened the last time you saw the Milwaukee Brewers and the Cubs? Well, right.

Someone was flying the L. They were. They got the best of the Cubs. They won. They beat the Cubs in the playoffs. They did. They were better than the Cubs. Cubs ran out of juice.

They ran out of arms. I don't think this Cubs team, hold on. It's what you're doing? Knocking on the wood. I don't think the Cubs will be as ravaged arms-wise as they were this past postseason. But I got to tell you, the Brewers look like the only true threat. Now, the Reds could come up with something because they've got Tito managing them. They've got some young players.

They've got Hart. They made the playoffs last year. after I told one Ryan Porth, big Cincinnati Reds guy, that they would make it. He didn't believe me, but they made it. And I just think the division is there for the Cubs,

and if not the division, certainly a wild card spot, but if you want to talk about, do they have a good chance to play in the NLCS as opposed to the NLDS and not going beyond that level? Show me where the Dodgers are, and I'll tell you what your chances are. Chances of beating the Dodgers, not high at all.

Chances of beating everyone else, I like their odds. So just at all costs, stay as far as far. far away from the Los Angeles Dodgers as you can. Get away. Drive, run, must go faster. They've got better players. They've got more better players.

They've got future Hall of Famers and MVP's. They've got the biggest payroll. They've got Edwin Diaz now as their closer. When you really look at it, you need the Dodgers to have a very bad year for the Dodgers not to at least get to the World Series. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, I don't even know what word to use to describe the Dodgers. I mean, it's not fair. Inevitable. It's crazy. Inevitable. It is exciting, though, to think about, to your point about the Cubs starting pitching, it does look promising, man. One thing I'll say about Craig Counsel. Yeah.

When he has had healthy arms available to them, he has utilized them very well, with the exception of Imanaga, end of season and playoffs, which I'm well done. documented as to my stance on all of that. We can go back to it, but you understand. Other than that, though, they've made the most out of not much. Now they've got more. Now it feels like they have more than the bare minimum. When we're talking about Justin Steele coming back whenever he does early in the season or even mid-season, they can slow roll it with a six-man rotation if they want to.

The Cubs have options as far as pitching. Offense is where I'm more concerned. Can PCA give us something closer to the first half of the season versus? is the last half of last season. Can say a Suzuki not go away for long spells at a time? Can Bregman simply just be Bregman and be the guy that you're paying him to be? Can Ian Hap have a bounce back and be more consistent? There are questions there.

Can Michael Bush, going up against lefties regularly now, produce and hit 35 to 40 home runs? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, and it is fair. Like somebody said on the text line asked us about Ian Hap, why is he, why we're not circling him? He's got to be circled. Yeah, in terms of you want more consistency for me now. Has to be circled, but at the same time, understand that man has a no trade clause. That's true, too.

That's part of the equation here when you think about it. Yeah, no doubt. And, yeah, let's see if the PCA can get it back on like he was in the beginning of the season and Seya, for that matter, and Bush. Like, there is. There's tons of promise throughout all of this. But, yeah, at this moment, I just don't know. And I don't know.

I'm not sure what the bar is for Cubs fans, like how hungry. I know how hungry Cubs fans are. But did they need it to go to the next level for it to be a successful season? Absolutely. I think they will be very upset if the Cubs don't get past the D.S. And they need to be in a position where they're playing for World Series. I'd say the same expectations of Cubs fans as maybe Bears fans. Bears fans expect to be in the NFC championship game next year.

like that's the place they expect to be. They wanted to go further than it did a year ago. Point blank, period. Like, do you have lower expectations for either of those two teams? No, I don't. I don't. Man, now you're getting me thinking about the Bears thing. Am I thinking too much like Ben Johnson when it comes to that with the idea of

you're not bringing back the same? It's never going to be the same again. No. It's never like this is, we've got to start from scratch. We've got to do this whole thing over. Well, I think that's true because I think there are going to be. some major roster changes for the Bears, but I think several things

will be consistent. Luther Bird and the 3rd, Colston Loveland, Caleb Williams, four-fifths of your offensive line. That by itself should say we should still be a top five, top, let's say top eight offense at minimum. And really, you should be a top five

offense, if not a top three offense in the NFL, given where Caleb has gone from game one to game, whatever. With this Cubs team, similarly, the PCA of it all is PCA, go back to what you were doing a facsimile of the first half of the season and you'll feel much better about where this Cubs team is headed

because he was a problem. C.A of it all. That is, I like the way you put that. I think also, because I understand the in-half concern. He was not as good as he has been in years past. And the inconsistency really sticks out when Craig Counsel refuses to adjust his lineup accordingly for long stretches of a time when you feel like

why is he and Hap still hitting here? You could just shuffle them around. It's not that big of a deal. But I think Craig Counsel wants his players to be as comfortable as possible. I wish she would take a page from Ben Johnson. Get comfortable being uncomfortable. And when you see some of the at-bats that all the players had when they were going through their hard times without Kyle Tucker

in the lineup that first time, that exposed to me that you've got to be. be a little quicker to make adjustments if you're a Craig counsel. Yeah, and I'm not sure what the form of that is. Like if you're just sitting a guy for an extended period of time, you're putting them, because some of that worked. Like, the Danesby Swanson at the beginning of the year, remember they put him down in the lineup.

Then he caught fire for a while when they put him down in the lineup. And then kind of lost the, it was just so dramatic with those players last year. Like, again, the PCAness of it all. With Sayas Suzuki, the way we're like, is this guy in MVP? we probably asked, was this guy an MVP candidate? Same with PCA. Remember, he didn't make the All-Star game. We didn't make the All-Star game.

We would do full hours on PCA and justifiably because he was doing some incredible things. But the rate at which those guys fell off the table is something that you're going to have to make sure as smooth. Like looking back on the season now, when that happened, I was like, oh, man, is this like, is this what it is? Is he somewhere, like PCA, just using him as the example. Is this what he is? Is he somewhere in the middle? between being a star and not being a star? Was he overachieving?

I look back on it now, and I do look at it from the optimistic point of view, that he is still going to be a star and that he will. Maybe he'll never be at that as the pace that he was at in the first half of the season again in his career, because it was extraordinary. But I still tend to think that he is more of what he was in the first half of last season as opposed to the second half of the season. And that's because just of the tools. We saw it.

We watched the majority. the games that PCA played in, he's got it. He's got something. And I think that that will be smoothed out, but it has to be smoothed out. And a career? Yeah, career. For Alex Breggman specifically, he has to be the stabilizing force that the Cubs thought he was when they paid him all the money, right?

When you go back to Alex Breggman's introductory press conference, and he talks about the interest in winning and wanting to win a third title, and that's why he chose the number three, and understanding how a clubhouse of a winner works because he's been in clubhouses of winners. When you look at the Houston Astros, it's funny because he was in that same clubhouse with Kyle Tucker, right? But it's a completely different attitude he's bringing

than the one we heard from Kyle Tucker. Oh, yeah, Kyle Tucker just had really nothing to say about anything ever. But I did enjoy the hell out of the first half of the season and watching him play and do what he did, but I guess he's gone now. But, you know, think about that. How many of those types of guys are on this team? You've got Bregman, who it's all about winning.

Hap is probably about there. I know he's going to make more money in his career still, but I do look at it that way. You know, PCA, Horner, Suzuki, Bush, they probably got a little more hunger for other things, but just to have those guys, those made men on a team, like Bregman, as you brought up, is absolutely invaluable, unless not to forget about Carson Kelly.

I would say this. It's more on Craig Counsel more than ever, because now Craig Counsel has a chance to say, I have enough players on offense. I have to figure out how to get the most out of this lineup every day. And when to rest guys is part of that, whether it's Ian Hap or Alex Bregman, even, who says he wants to play every day. And of course, Dan Svison, we know his dance on playing every day. You got to figure it out.

That's Craig's job. He gets paid handsomely to do it. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens. Swanson is another good example of a guy who at this point, I would assume the most important thing to him is winning. So good to have those guys around. Coming up next year on Rahimi Harris and Grotie, it is halftime. Marshall, you were put in charge of halftime today.

Do you have something you would like to tease? I had different things that I went through, but it's been a long time since I had Taco Bell, but I've never gone to this links to get, you know, inside a time. Taco Bell. Okay. That is coming up next on Halftime. Rahimi, Harris, and Grotty on the score. What time is it? It's Rahimi Harris and Grotty on the score.

Boy, we had quite the hour to begin the show today. From 10 a.m. to 11 a.m. We talked about Caleb Williams and Marshall Harris told us why he believes that Caleb Williams is the greatest Bears quarterback in Bears'

history. We also spoke to Mike Florio today and took some of your calls on that particular quarterback question. Mark, what was less than you had Taco Bell? Maybe about a month ago, I remember doing an Uber Eats to

No, wait, hold on, hold on. Uber Eats for Taco Bell. There's a Taco Bell. I know exactly how far away it is for you. It is one, two, three, four blocks from meal. It's so cold, man. It's four blocks from you. You know the one I'm talking about, right? Oh, it's like

a canteen. Yeah, just that's a nice Taco Bell, the can'tina. How dare you Uber eats, shame me? Look, I gotta tell you're so funny you say that. It's so funny. Honestly, I probably didn't necessarily know that, but I will give this to

you that I am I have threatened to do this a few times. I've got a Jimmy John's basically in my building. I know exactly where it is. You know what I'm talking about. And I've come very close on a couple of occasions to being that. Speaking of Terry Boers, Tales of Laisiness, I believe, was something that they would do on Friday Fung, if I'm not mistaken. Bernstein and Boers and Bernstein, they would do that.

And yeah, I haven't done it yet, but I fear myself. I'm scared that I might get a Billy Club from Jimmy Johns and have it. rushed up in my building. You're saying you're going to have someone deliver a Jimmy John sandwich when it's literally downstairs. I don't want to. I hope it doesn't happen. But you've thought about it already.

It's gone through my head, yeah, a couple times. All right. So I don't have to worry about you doing what this young man did. Here's the headline. Shirtless Florida man sentenced for diving through Taco Bell window and robbing it with a large rock. What? What he's holding up a rock? Here's the lead.

He's not your typical stoner. Because, you know, Taco Bell stoners. You know how that goes. Yeah. Hand in hand. A bean burrito brain bandit broke into a Florida Taco Bell through its drive-thru window and then robbed workers and customers armed with a, quote, large rock, end quote. Authority said.

Homeless man, Cawarren Lee Anderson, 40, was sentenced months after he was captured by an Ocala, police department canine dog who found him cowering behind a dumpster after his run on the border according to reports. Now he broke into the restaurant by climbing through the wind drive-through window and they said he was clenching a large rock in his fist. So it wasn't bigger than his hand because he could hold on to it with one hand. When I hear large rock, I'm thinking you need two hands to hold on the rock. Yeah, he's going to tomahawk it.

He started demanding money from the staff and the sparse patrons. obviously this was not at peak hours, even chasing them all out of the building so he could have free rain. That's according to the Akala news.com of the Taco Bell. He then fled the scene but didn't make it very far thanks to a dutiful canine dog

who tracked him down in minutes. When the pup surrounded the corner and started sniffing Anderson, he started to wail and held up his hands and surrender. This is according to the body camera footage obtained by the outlet. Wow. It's unclear how much

cash Anderson may have absconded during his few minutes of freedom, if any. Unfortunately, Anderson said he was homeless at the time telling police he needed money. And he then got into a physical altercation with another person incarcerated near

him just six hours after his arrest, charged with battery by a person at a detention facility in August on top of the original armed robbery charge. He was just sentenced to four years in prison, minus the 199 days he's already served in the Marion County Jail.

It's going to be breaking rocks? But I'm David Hall. This is such a sad story because obviously this is a homeless man, but like to drive-in through the drive-thru window as opposed to using the front door to do it. It's just a very disturbing story. The app, no, I just want my burrito. That is, of course, Kevin Harlan on with us. A lot of mild sauce because I'm going to squirt it all.

all over the plate. I was really just hoping you were going to say he robbed the place just to get just for his nine hard shell tacos or whatever he was going to order and he moved down. Or he wanted free reign of the kitchen. Can I just tell you I used to house 10 packs of soft tacos? Oh yeah? Back when they were. Oh, so I was always the hard shell still. So like that's really to me the Why are you? The hard shell falls apart so angrily. It's it's like you bite into it and the taste is good on that first bite, but then you're just... I need the crunch, man. I need that flavor, I need that flavor profile.

I need that crunch. The rest of it's soft. Why don't want just the whole thing to be soft? A little crunch in your life, Marshall. After you take the first bite, though, do you not feel like it's dissolved in your hand at that point? Can you keep it together for a second bite? Not really.

I don't really think about that. It doesn't really bother because if you're eating Taco Bell, you've kind of given up as it is. So if it's going to be super messy, No, no. That's okay. If you've Uber-eated Taco Bell, you've given up on a lot of things. I don't know where that Taco Bell is.

Maybe it's really close. Is it that close to me? Maybe I don't know where there is. I'm going to tell you the street. I'm not going to tell people where you live. I'm going to tell you where the Taco Bell is. The Taco Bell is just above Ida B. Wells. Okay.

On Dearborn. Okay. Yeah. Probably could have. Does that answer the question for you? Oh, man. I'd like to share something while we have a moment here, because I don't know that there would be another opportunity.

opportunity for me to share. For this, whatever you're about to share? What I'm about to share here. Go ahead. As most people do, I have a device. I don't want to say the name of the device because I don't want your device to go off. Your AI virtual assistant, if you will. Yes.

That device that sits there that you ask, you say, hey, fill in the blank, what time is it? What set my alarm? And I am a big, huge user of that for just everything. Playing music. I got my music set up on there, alarms, the whole. You're the one killing the energy grid. The whole, is that what I'm doing? So today.

as I normally do, I said, hey, fill in the blank, what's the weather going to be today? And they told me, she told me what the weather was going to be. And I said, bleep you, because I was very discouraged to hear the answer. And she talked back, didn't she? And she talked back to me. And it freaked me out, man. What did she say? She said, wow, this escalated quickly.

Is there another answer or question you might have for me that I might be able to make you happy with? And I'm like, ah, I'm like, sorry. That's when you realized. I felt bad. I was like, oh, man. And, like, that's a woman voice, too. So I'm being rude to a woman here. You misogynist you.

Yeah. Yeah, I just felt really bad. And I didn't know. Maybe that's the next level. Like, because I thought you had to say, I thought it was like Simon says. Like, if I respond to Jenny, like, I thought you had to say, Jenny, bleep, that weather report you just gave me. But you don't, apparently.

We could just have a conversation. Mark, you understand there are a whole adults out here who have committed monogamous relationships with their AI, right? No, that's just a family guy episode, right? No, it's a real thing. You're kidding. You know what? For Valentine's Day, remind me, Ray, and that's what we'll do for halftime

either right before or around Valentine's Day. Are you saying like just like a friendship or are you saying people? In a relationship. In a relationship with your AI device. It's broken up marriages in some cases. What? Yes. There is a movie from 2013. It's a great movie, her. And that is what it's about, basically, is a guy falling in love with an AI assistant, essentially, on your phone. And this is really happening in real life. Like,

this was once a movie, and it is now happening. Wow. Scarlett Johansson plays her in that movie. It's Joaquin Phoenix is the lead out. And it's only her voice. And wait, when was this movie? 2013. Very prescient, if you will. So family guy was probably just spoofing it, because I do believe there is an episode where maybe it's Brian that gets in the relationship. It sounds like something Brian would do. Yeah, yeah, in relationship with

an AI virtual assistant device. That is the truth. All right, that's it, unless there's anything else. Anything else from anybody here that you need to get off your chest? We have one more thing. You groat. The AI assistant coming back at you, Grotie.

That would have really freaked me out. I may not be here today. if that had happened to me. Guys, I just, I got some mental issues today, man. I got a fight with my AI device today. Screw you growth. Yeah. Good point by 815.

Should have gone for the Taco Bell in Devante Adams' house because, you know, he's got a Taco Bell in his house. He does. That's the commercials. Like, he's just at. And he's had to move. And he's had to move that Taco Bell. You know, he's moved to a different house. The greatest conversation I ever had with John Lackey of the Chicago Cubs was the, I said,

hey, you guys should have a Starbucks in this beautiful clubhouse here. He's like, oh, yeah, man. It's a great idea. Every time you see. Where's that Starbucks coming along? All right, we got a break. Five on it. Let's get this train back on the road.

Let's get linear, y'all. With five on it. Next, on Rahimi Harrison Grotie on the score. And you get a couple of those in you, and you're set for the day. And then you just kind of wonder where the wind's going to blow. This hour is brought to you by Vasectomy Clinics of Chicago. On Laila Rahimi and Marshall Harris with more Grote, bring you five topics on their mind today.

On Chicago Sports Radio 670, the score. Number one. This week, Bleacher Report floated the following trade scenario. The Bears send Colquomet to the tight-end, needy Panthers in exchange for a 2026 fifth round pick. A move that would save General Manager Ryan Poles & Company $8.4 million if they trade him before March 15th. What are your thoughts on the idea of trading Cole Commet? I mean, there is some temptation to that when I, I hear it, or to put it another way, it would be a cap hit of 11.6 million for next year.

If the Bears can get out of it, they can get out of it with $3.2 million of dead money as well. My overall, what I'm feeling on the overall, though, is you kind of need that guy still. You need a Cole Komet on your team because of what he does as far as blocking. Lord knows he made some massive catches this season for the Bears. a veteran player who has been paid. We know what he is worth to a locker room. We know that there's heavy, heavy duty value in that as it pertains to Cole Komet. But I will keep it more on the field in terms of what he is doing for the offense, blocking and making plays.

And we know how important that is for Ben Johnson's offense. So if I got to hit the yes-no button right now, I am a, I'm a no. I'm a know on letting go Cole Commet. It's interesting because if you go back to the end of the season after the loss of the Rams, Cole Commet was one of the biggest voices in that locker room talking about how this season was good. We are starting from scratch, echoing the sentiment of his head coach,

Ben Johnson. And I think that's why he becomes more valuable than if you look at a spreadsheet and just say he had this many catches for this many yards. knowing how much Ben Johnson likes to use 13 personnel and the importance of not just having a second titan but a good second tight in I would like to think they could figure something out

with Colquemette's contract I understand if they do move him it's tempting that's why I said like my first thought is it's tempting but no because it's it's not as high as some of the other things on their priority list when you're talking about who to bring back. Like if you had to choose between Kevin Byard or Colquemette, who you're choosing.

Yeah. So, yes, in that same vein. That's the answer, right? These are the tough questions. For me, it is. I didn't hesitate. These are the tough questions that have to get answered over at Hall's Hall in the next month or so.

Well, then the other part, too, in the not in Colquemette's corner, would be the fact that eventually, I'd like to think, that the bear is going to be in a whole lot of money he to Colston Lovelland. Now you have the luxury of a rookie contract right now. We got a long ways from that. That's true. I don't know that Cole Commet will be a bear by the time. His rookie contract ends.

Colston's, I'm saying. That probably is jumping the gun a little bit. But yeah, I just think that there's because the bears are winning, I mean, that's another thing. They won in that offense with Colquette. That's something that you have in your power to keep, and I would say it's good to keep Colcomette. Number two. You know, only two teams can reach the Super Bowl that means there's a lot of football. fans that are left disappointed.

But here's question number two. Which fan base is more down bad this week? The Vikings for watching Seahawks quarterback Sam Darnel get to the Super Bowl or Titans fans for watching Patriots head coach Mike Vrable go to the Super Bowl. It's got to be the Vikings. It's got to be Vikings because I don't know with the way their season ended last year in the playoffs that most of us didn't agree that Sam Darnel was good but not good enough to get you where you wanted to go.

And yet here they are, Sam Darnel, one season being removed from winning 14 games to winning another 14 games. Do you understand only one other quarterback has done as much winning in two seasons and back-to-back seasons as Sam Darnold? Do you know who that quarterback is? That would be Tom Brady. And so to see him do it not only under the. guys of the quarterback whisper, Kevin O'Connell.

But to go and do it now with Mike McDonald's company and to be on the doorstep of winning a Super Bowl in which you could argue he's the better quarterback in the Super Bowl, that's outstanding. So it's got to be the Vikings. And the other reason is the Titans are a dumpster fire until proven otherwise. And I agree with you that it's the Vikings. And I would say a little bit differently on my reasoning for Vrable, gone with Tennessee and now obviously back in with New England once as a player, now as a head coach, just from being around here and following the Bears since I was sports conscious, like sometimes your time just runs out as a head coach in the NFL with the team

and the fan base, even if you know that there's still value there, that you know, like Tennessee could look at Mike Vrable and say, yeah, let's say more, there was success. while Mike Vrable was here. He was a good coach while he was good enough to have gotten one of the prime gigs in the NFL to be with New England. But sometimes it's a perfect separation. Time runs out.

So in other words, and we'd have to ask our guy, Ryan Porth. Maybe Ryan Porth will text us and let us know how he feels about that as a Tennessee Titans fan. My guess is that they were ready for a change. Now, it might hurt a little bit to see Vrable doing what he's doing but I don't think there's the angst of, God, I wish we didn't, I wish we still had that guy. It's sort of like Lovey Smith. Like the time, you definitely make an argument that after a 10 and 6 season, a coach shouldn't be fired.

But if you were following the Bears, you kind of knew time was up with Lovey Smith. And that style was, there was fatigue there. It's hard to explain. But I think that might be what's going on with Tennessee. But the darn old stuff, my God. And it's because of J.J. McCarthy's last. of success. If McCarthy had been more successful this year

and I know he finished strong, then that would have tempered the hurt because at least you know, yeah, Sam Darnel's out here doing great things, but at least you would know that your young quarterback was promising as well. I think that that would be digestible. This can't be very digestible

for the Vikings nor their fans. I will add something here to take a phrase from Mark Grotie, take you backstage. This question, was submitted by our program director Ryan Porth himself. Oh. He didn't tell me how he's feeling if he feels like Titans fans are more down bad than

Vikings fans, but I get the picture. Maybe he's feeling that way. All right, Ryan Porth. Bye-bye, sir. Number three. Pardth. Where's Ryan Pardth? He's not here. Where is he? Where's Pardt?

I love Harry. Harry wanting to know. It does feel like a hangover here today just because of the extraordinary events of yesterday. 100% in the salute. Like, it's a weird feel. Absolutely. I get it. I get it.

God bless everybody. Pardth. This is five on it on 670. The score, that man, Harry Carey is actually Mark Grody. That man's Marshall Harris. Here's question number three. The Steelers held their introductory press conference for new head coach Mike McCarthy on Monday. Check out McCarthy's response to this.

question. In your best case scenario, do you want Aaron Rogers back as your quarterback next year? That's nice way he asked that, right? That was slick. I mean, definitely. I mean, obviously, while you wouldn't, but, you know, I think just like anything, you know, knowing Aaron long enough going through seasons, you know, I think when players, you know, to see Mel Blunt here, when guys are up at that stage of their career, they need to step away and decompress it. That's, I think that's very important. The game is. so emotional, you know, what these men commit to and what they put into it. I think that time away is important. And, you know, and I have spoken to Aaron. And so that's really where,

you know, that's really where we are there. But I was able to sit back and watch the games. I watched most of the Pittsburgh games on TV. And I thought he was a great asset for the team. It's a new Steelers head coach, Mike McCarthy at his introductory press conference yesterday. Here's the question. Do you believe quarterback Aaron Rogers? will return to the Steelers in 2026. No. No. I don't think he will. And I don't think, like Mike McCarthy, I think answered that question perfectly. But the truth is he knows that he doesn't have to be alone.

You're not alone, Mike. Mike does not have to make that decision. He can blame somebody else. Like if Aaron Rogers is even desirous of playing football again, let alone with the Pittsburgh Steelers, let alone for Mike McCarthy, and it all makes sense that he would want to get, back to working with Mike McCarthy and not getting to Super Bowls and underachieving in the playoffs. I'm sure that that's something that he would be desirous of doing.

But yeah, I don't think it's going to happen. And I don't know that either of the parties necessarily wants it to happen either. I know Grody is waiting this answer because he thinks I'm in love with Aaron Rogers. I'm not. You're not? No. What? I just recognize how good he is.

Whoa, hold on. You know he's a big Aaron Rodgers. Wait, wait, right. You think I'm in love with Aaron Rogers? I thought you were wearing a I love Aaron Rogers T-shirt today. I think you are in love with Aaron Rogers the way apparently many people are in love with their AI devices. There's a bromance there. There's no romance here. I understand his talent.

I was very sure that he and the Steelers were not about to miss the playoffs. They love him. And they didn't. That's not what I'm saying. Blinded by love him. Just say it. You don't have to use all these extra words. I will be surprised if Aaron Rogers is back with the Pittsburgh Steelers next season.

That's what I will say. Now, you're talking sense over there, kid. I've always talked since. I wasn't the one saying the Steelers are going to win six games. That was you. You're right. I had a bad year with predictions. Yeah, let's be honest.

Is that going to curb your predictions? Like there could be a year in review with Mark Grody's bad predictions from the season. Will that curb future Mark Grody predictions? No, never. You think I'm going to be shy around these microphones? Are the Cups going to win the division? I'm not ready to put myself out there yet. Well, Mr. Number 1, Aaron Rogers fan, I do have a follow-up question.

What's your follow-up question? So will Aaron Rogers play at all in 2026? That's an even better question. Is that an addendum to the question? I think he will. Wow. I don't. And he may not start the season on somebody's roster, but somebody might get hurt.

And then Aaron Rogers comes and saves the day. Do love him, don't you? I don't. I don't. Baby, come back. I'm glad that the landlord sold, and he's no longer, you know, reporting to Chicago. Like, last I checked, here's how much I don't love Aaron Rogers. Last I checked, he was too scared to play against the Bears last season.

That's true. Isn't that what you remember it? Yeah, yeah. Isn't that how you remember it? He's like, I'm not, I don't want to do this again, man. I want to push my luck. I might lose and lose my kingdom. Number four.

According to the athletics, Diana Rossini, the Cardinals interviewed former Panthers and Commander's head coach Ron Rivera and Bears Super Bowl champion. Chico. In person for their head coaching vacancy. Rivera currently serves as the general manager for Cal Football. Will Ron Rivera get an NFL head coaching job before Matt Negi? Will Ron Rivera get an NFL head coaching job before former Bears head coach Matt Negi? To that I say, does a redhead name?

named Wendy Eat Square Burgers? Oh, yeah. Does a one-legged duck swim in a circle? Bring it. Does Mark Grody Uber eats things that are very much accessible by just going downstairs and walking a couple of blocks? He does. Yeah, the answer is yes.

The answer is yes, yes, and yes. Wow, yeah. I mean, it certainly is trending in that direction, isn't it? I mean, honestly, though, I'll be real impressed with Ron Rivera if he gets another head coaching gig, man, he just keeps going. He does. Like, that guy is ambitious and motivated. I'm with you, yeah.

Because I'm just not crazy about that even Ron Rivera coaching again. Like, it doesn't move the, God bless Ron Rivera. We all love Ron Rivera. But that doesn't move the meter for me. Still, he's going to have a job before Matt Nagy. Matt Nagy, I try to support him. I do. I really do.

because I liked Mad Nagy. I covered Mad Nagy and I, look, I was very critical of the things that he did. But on the overall, I always thought he was and still think I think this seemed like a really nice, organized, inspiring, extroverted, good, coachy coach type of guy who could command a room. So it's disappointing for me to have heard some of the things that I have heard and just the way he has gone about business in terms of trying to get a head coaching job. So I still root for the guy, but yeah, Jiko. Number five. Coming to number five, Brown's backup quarterback Shadur Sanders was named as Patriots quarterback Drake May's replacement on the Pro Bowl game's roster. So I'm asking, how are you guys feeling about Sanders getting a Pro Bowl nod? It's ridiculous.

It's just, it's ridiculous, it's hilarious, it's maybe, it's a bleep you. I'm not sure what it is. I guess it's a little poetic justice for Shadur himself, considering what he went through on draft day and the blockbuster story he was. I mean, that's getting your get back right there if you're Shador Sanders in some way. But in the name of time, I will keep it at it is ridiculous and hilarious that he's going to the Pro Bowl. I'm trying to understand exactly how this happened, right?

because you look at the Pro Bowl selections in the AFC. Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Drake May. Got that? Alan, Herbert, May. That makes sense, correct? Yeah. And then you start thinking about, okay, well, the playoffs happen when a Super Bowl quarterback gets there,

that player has to be replaced. Makes all the sense in the world. What I'm confused about is how, we got to Shador Sanders over, start, let me just start naming guys. Yeah, and I'm going to say hilarious after everyone. Lamar Jackson? hilarious.

Joe Burrow? There is. Trevor Lawrence. Ridiculous. And hilarious. I guess that's it? Because like you look at some of the other teams. You're not going to have someone from the Raiders,

Geno Smith. You're not going to have someone from the Titans. Although the argument I guess could be made if he's doing it, why couldn't Cam Ward do it? Like, he's a higher pick. The Browns won five games. Cam Ward and the Titans won three games. There's a lot of quarter.

There's probably some backup quarterbacks that were more productive. I'm almost like, couldn't Philip Rivers have been the backup? Couldn't you have been the guy? That's where we are. That would have been fun. If Philip Rivers had been named to the flag football game, that would be hilarious.

And fun. You get what I'm saying? So, I just, Lamar Jackson and Trevor Lawrence must have said no. I think, I think you would have asked Joe Burrow before you asked Shador Sanders? So I just want to know, I want a more thorough accounting of how we got here. Okay. That's it.

That was five? Yeah, that was five. We nailed it. I thought we were like, okay, I thought we were a little bit backed up there. We never backed up. That makes me happy. You know what else makes me happy? You stay regular over here.

A lot of fiber in the diet. A lot. Oh, yeah. Taco Bell. Taco Bell. Look, if you're backed up, eat the Taco Bell. I was at the Bulls-Lakers game the other night, and I want to share a little bit of what I was feeling out there,

watching the Bulls and the Lakers at the UC, unfortunately. Not a particularly good performance for the Chicago Bulls. And there is a lot going on, including news surrounding Janice, Atentecoupo. There is a trade deadline coming up in the NBA. The Bulls have a game tonight at, Indiana, 6 o'clock right here on the score. Actually, 545.

That's the stew we're cooking up for our next segment here. Rahimi Harrison Grotie on the score. Rahimi Harrison Grotie. Midday's 10 a.m. to 2 on Chicago Sports Radio 670. We'll stay present in a moment and we're going to, you know, look at this year, at this team, how we're going to start, how we're going to go through the season. And, you know, again, you know, all those very specific. specific goals and how we want to play and how the guys have to respond.

We're probably going to have to play, you know, long rotations because, you know, we wanted to play fast and high pace. So we'll see, you know, during the year and that information collected is going to help us, you know, to make those decisions. That's the president of basketball operations for the Bulls are tourists Karnasovas back in September as we welcome you back into Rahimi Harrison Grotie on the score. The Bulls have a game tonight. Bulls at the Pacers tonight. Early one, 545 pregame, 6 p.m. jumper in Indy. The pretty bad Indiana Pacers, my goodness. They could have won a title last year. And Halliburton is not there.

They are 11 and 36. And as a matter of fact, the Bulls are 0.2. So two of the 11 wins for the Pacers have come at the expense of the Chicago Bulls. and Marshall, what is still continued to be really important. I mean, as we monitor and track the Bulls' progress on the court, what they're doing, right? 23 and 23 had been on a little bit of a roll until the Lakers game where they lost 129 to 118. But with the trade deadline bearing down, bears on February 5th. And it just happens.

And the Bulls having seven potential free agents, they're in the news. And there is a gentleman by the name of Janice Anten-Dacompo, who is continuing to make waves in Milwaukee. So, Shams Tarania, with this, this happened just an hour ago or so. Two-time MVP, Janice Antecoompo, ready for a new home ahead of the February 5th trade deadline. That's next week. As several teams have made aggressive offers to the Milwaukee Bucks who are starting to listen, league sources told ESPN on Wednesday. So what this signals is that the bucks are listening and that Janus is okay with the idea of being traded.

Now, something you got to point out is Janus is hurt right now. And Janus is supposed to be out four to six weeks. And he becomes eligible to sign a four-year, $275 million super max on October 1st of this year. If you're not doing the math at home, it's about $70 million a year. those and comes with a couple of aprons, right? Yeah. Throwing a couple of aprons? Probably, depending on what your cap space situation looks like.

Yeah, it's a definite apron situation. You're going to be in trouble. But if he already have him, you know, that's different rules apply if you're signing somebody that's already within your organization as opposed to him becoming a free agent. So he's been there 12 years. And in an ideal world, the Bulls who fans will tell you, are starving for a super-exam. star of Janus's magnitude. That's all they need. That's what everybody says.

That's what they say. Would be in perfect position to make a trade to get Janus on their roster at this deadline if they had pulled off that deal to trade away the first round pick to New Orleans Pelicans for this year's unprotected lottery pick. That should anger all Bulls fans. It really should. Because you talked about it at the time. I talked about it immediately.

As soon as Joe Dumas, the president of basketball operations for the Pelicans, said he offered it to everyone ahead of, you know, the hawks who ended up taking the deal right behind the Bulls. This has nothing to do with Noah Asengay, their first round pick. this has everything to do with understanding that in this climate you need to be nimble as an organization and be able to quickly make moves when players become available and now they are missing the window

they could make a trade for Janice they could trade future first round picks but the problem is what they would have to trade away to match salaries and everything else those would be the players that Janice would need to play with to be good it would be the equivalent of him coming to Chicago

and being on a roster that looks like the roster he's playing on right now with the bucks. That's not the goal. The goal is to have him play with other good players that can elevate him back. So the Bulls fall to the bottom of the heap, namely because they don't have the draft capital to make the trade, but also the players

they would have to give up in that deal are the players he would need to play with to be good. He's past, what is it, 12 years? 12 years in the name. That hit me a little bit. Yonis has been in the league for 12 years. Yeah, 12 and a half. That's crazy.

He seems like he's been, just the way he plays, he's still, like his athleticism and all? Like it feels like he's been in the league for five or six years. I mean, Yonnas started young, too. Let's not throw that out of the window. He what? He started young. It wasn't like he came out of college.

No college, right? Yes. So I think... That's a good thing to add in, though. But the important thing here is, if you're the Bulls and you have all these players, Nikola Vutrovich, Kobe White, Ayodosumu, the list goes on and on. no, Giddy's under locking key. Oh, right, right.

You're seven. You're going through the potential free agents. Got you. Got you. Got you. Got you. Then what are you going to do ahead of the deadline? Who should you move?

And what should the return price be? They need first rounders. Get first rounders. And if you can't get a first rounder, at least send Patrick Williams out with that deal. Like you get this great value of Ayodosumu who's $7.5 million in his final year of a contract. Attach Patrick Williams. you don't have that $18 million per season also on your roster. You either get draft picks or you get rid of Patrick Williams in one of these deals.

The thing that I want people to understand before this trade deadline happens is no matter what they do, they will not be tanking. They're just not built to tank. They would get worse, though, obviously, if they were to make a move. And it might be shrewd to do. I think it would be okay to take your foot off the gas. I'm not saying tank. I really, like, if you can get assets, as you said, you can, you know, maybe at the expense of the rest of this season, but build it right back up in the offseason with the assets that you attain.

But that's my point. There's no really rest of this season. Even if they get rid of some of these really good players, like their leading score on Kobe White, Billy Donovan is going to coach them to play hard and they're going to win more games than they should because the East is that bad. Of course, and I don't think that Arturists nor Mark Eversley getting to know them a little bit, have it in them. to be guys that are going to be like, yeah, let's, let's, hey, Billy, wink, wink, you know, that does not seem like what this organization would do for better or for worse. They refuse to pull the plug. Right.

That's the issue. They're going to try to put a product out there like the one you saw. Yeah. The other night with the Lakers in town. It's not like the Bulls got blown out. The Bulls lost the game because they had a horrible second quarter and they turned it over ten times. They lost the game because they let a bench player in Ruey Hotchamira look like. like a star hitting 9 of 11 shots. That's what I like about. You go deep, man. You're not

looking at the bright, shiny Luca Donchitz and his 46 points or LeBron did with his 23 points at his age. I know what those guys are capable of. We talked about it yesterday. Grotie, the Bulls played the Lakers twice last year. How many games do the Lakers win? And both Embed and Luca played in those games. Serro. Exactly. Yeah, no, it's a great point. It was so, God, It was one of my favorite Bulls experiences in a while out at the United Center because it had been a long time. It's going to sound weird. It's been a long time since it was really hard to park out at the United Center. Like it was, there were lots closing out at the UC.

I was meeting some friends that didn't get in until the middle of the first quarter because they underestimated the traffic around the United Center. Wow. Was that buzz? Because it was buzz, buzz, buzz, but like for many reasons because the lovers and the haters of LeBron James are going to show up. up because you never know when it's going to be the last time. It was the anniversary of Kobe Bryant's death. Luca, that brings in a whole lot of people from Chicago that love Luca. Love a little European basketball stardom. Absolutely. Absolutely. And the beauty of our city, the diversity of our city brings in those fans that are just there to watch Luca. And Luca put on a show. And he put on a show.

And it was just, it was great. To look up and see where I used to stand in the standing room only portion of the United Center. But you're big time now. Right, right. I mean, I used to have to fight to get in during the Jordan years and stand wherever. I'd be looking through people. I didn't care. Like, the whole thing.

But it had that feel to it. Like, it's not like that on given night. So it made me remember what it was like when, for instance, Derek Rose was there or the Jordan years and what it can be if that is to arise again. But it was cool, man. And LeBron, like, breakaway dunk in the first quarter of that game, brought the house down at the United Center.

He had three dunks in the first half. He did. And I think he's kind of like, like, obviously the Lakers are pretty good. But there was also, there's a showman factor when LeBron comes to Chicago, too. Not only that, but I told Lila this, they definitely remember what happened last year. First of all, they got beat down. They give them 145 or 146 points in L.A. In the first meeting.

And then less than a week later, they come to Chicago and Josh Giddy says, watch this from half course. Yeah, yeah. That's right. You think Luca and LeBron don't remember that? They came out with that type of avenging energy. It's a good point. Yeah, like that had to be on their mind. The entertainment factor a little bit.

But yeah, you're right. Did it feel like LeBron's last game in Chicago? Not necessarily. It just felt like another LeBron game to me, just watching him like I've watched him a hundred times at the United Center in multiple uniforms. It just looked like LeBron, man. It's not the same. I get it.

I'm not going to go crazy. You say not the same, but that did not look any bit of 41. He doesn't. He doesn't. And look, I am all day, every day, every second. M.J. over LeBron in that debate. And I don't even want to do the debate. That's not what I'm trying to do right now. So just understand where I'm coming from. I am a complete Michael Jordan loyalist. But I can certainly appreciate a superstar like LeBron James who comes out there. And even the people who hate LeBron or say they hate LeBron probably couldn't help but jumping out of their seats when he had his first break. takeaway jam. What's interesting is, as you know, it's the Pacers on the schedule tonight. They've already lost twice to a Pacer's team with 11 wins. I know. They've lost twice to a Pacer's team with 11 wins.

They've also lost to the Brooklyn Nets. They've also lost to the Utah Jazz. And in the same breath, I say all of that because you look at some of the teams that they've been able to beat this season. And it's like, who are you guys? You know, they're perfectly 23 and 23. They're 23 and 23. A lot of that has to do with the injuries.

Like, they won't have Trey Jones tonight. I expect them to win tonight, and I think they're going to be the ones remembering what happened in those first two weeks. Now they have Josh Kitty. Still unclear. Y'all would have single-digit wins if it wasn't for us. They'd have nine wins that wasn't for the Bulls. That's a real statement. Yeah.

That's a real statement. I speak in truth. And so what's interesting about this stretch of their season is they now play four games in the next five nights. And the first game is the one straight ahead of us, but how can you not, after witnessing what we witnessed last year? Last year, Grody, how can you not think back to the play-in and feel like this three games coming up? Home against Miami, day off, back-to-back away games at Miami is not somewhat of an in-season tournament play-in style that will determine perhaps what Archers, what Archerschaun, famously dubbed Acme, decide to do. And whatever it is, I hope it's better than what happens to Wiley Coyote

every time he uses an Acme product. The one thing I worry about, that is the Bulls get a week in Miami. Isn't that nice? Right? Because that's what essentially it would be. Yeah. After that, if they're doing the players and the wives and the families, any justice, because I used to see this with the Cubs.

You think they'd take them on the trip? Probably. I don't know how it works in the NBA, but I do remember when I was doing pre-and-posts with the Cubs and lucky enough to be on their charter that when they went on the West Coast trips, big friends and family, wives, kids, for those trips to Arizona, to Los Angeles, like San Francisco, all of a sudden, we're going to need a bigger plane is the way it would work. I love that for them. And I love the opportunity that the Bulls have.

I lament the fact that they are not in a position to make a trade for Yon. Ante Dacompo, who's recovering from a calf strain. But whenever he's healthy, he's going to help someone in a major way. Bill Belichick has been on our minds today in the wildlife that he has been living and something that has been pulled out from under him pertaining to the Hall of Fame. We'll go a little bit deeper on it next here on Rahimi Harrison Grotie on the score. The Rahimi Harrison Grody Show, Middays 10 to 2 on Chicago Sports Radio 670 the score. It is Rahimi Harrison Grody on the score.

It's crazy. When you just listen to what I'm about to read to you, and that is that ESPN reported yesterday that Bill Belichick will not be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Crazy. He reportedly failed to get 40 votes from the 50-person committee. That decides who is. worthy of enshrinement, and now we'll have to wait at least one more year before donning a gold jacket. Marshall, when you hear that Bill Belichick, who at some point in time, it has come out of

everybody's mouths, I think, maybe in the United States of America, that Bill Belichick is the greatest head coach of all time because of his work with Tom Brady and the New England Patriots. And now he is not a first ballot hall of famer. Your reaction. This feels like one of those moments where several factors get involved and way more than they should. And when I say the factors, I think the things that we look at when we think of Bill Belichick is, of course, we remember deflategate and SpyGate and the times where they lost picks and were fined heavily for cheating. Let's call it what it is. They catch you with a camera spying on other people's practices.

You're not allowed to do that. That's cheating. And I know the argument will be, well, he paid for those crimes, you know, because they did dock them. You probably fines, graphics. Yeah, so it shouldn't have an effect. And I would say, yes, but also there are humans involved in this process. and anyone who is affected and feels like he robbed us of our window to win championships because that's when he got caught cheating.

Who knows how much other cheating was going on? You know, that's kind of the element. It's like when someone steals from you and you find out they stole from someone else, don't you just assume they're just a thief? Yeah. I think a lot of that came into play. Now, I do think... It's a quick little slap on the wrist on the way to the Hall of Fame for Bill.

Yeah. Just like you're not going to get away with that. I think there's also some petty involved and some ego involved where it may be certain writers didn't like the way he interacted or didn't interact with the media. We've all seen famous quotes from Bill Belichick at the podium. He was a pain in the ass with the media. He was not easy to deal with. But that's not his main job is not to be easy to deal with.

It's to win games. Right, right. You're right. Petty. If that is part of it, then that's petty. And then you take into account. this idea that it's a vote

and you have the five guys you're voting for and you only get so many votes and you're like well I'm going to vote for this guy because certainly everybody else is going to vote for Bill Belichick and I think that's the final piece which I don't know how much it has in a factor but I guarantee you if he didn't get a if there were 11 people

out of 50 at the minimum who left Bill Belichick off the ballot it's because some of them thought he'd be on other ballots and they wanted to make sure their guy that they had been trying to champion. And I think this is part of what's wrong with the process. Yeah, like they didn't have to do it because other people would do it. You can't leave it to other people in a position like this. And also for the petty people out there,

the anonymous ballot thing has got to stop. The anonymous ballot has to stop. I think Mike Flores was aligned closely with where I stand on this process being anonymous. It's dumb. Let's see if we can get a little bit of insight from Dan Pompeii on this. Dan, Pompey, Hall of Fame football writer. He writes for the athletic. Longtime guy in this town, longtime guy on the score, longtime guy with Mully and Haw. Here's what Dan Pompei had to say about the process. We are not privy to how other voters vote. When we vote, it's all done secret ballot. And we're also not supposed to talk about what happened in the meeting. But here's what I can tell you. They change the process of the

how we vote in coaching candidates last year. They are now lumped in with senior candidates and contributor candidates. So we had five of them we were discussing this year. It was Belichick, Robert Kraft, Roger Craig, Elsie Greenwood, and Kenny Anderson. And of those five, we were told to vote for three, our top three. And each one had to get at least 40 votes and there are 50 of us on the board. And then there could be no more than three candidates who get in and not necessarily going to be three. So he was pitted against those other candidates. Now, the way I see it, I don't know how you could not put them in your top three.

But obviously, other people have different opinions. I don't, you know, obviously his body of work, look, if he's not the greatest coach in the history of the NFL based on his accomplishments, you know, he's certainly in the top two or three, whatever it may be, you know, allowing for how different errors affect results and outcomes and achievements and all that. So the way I look at it, guys, is the only way that anyone could justify keeping him out is by saying he was a cheater. You know, he had a spy gate incident, and they're punishing him a second time. And I tend to get that part of it, actually, because be jaded, right? And I don't know if he's ever used those words, but that's what happened, right? And they paid the price no matter what the language was. like we do with baseball.

And I get it, that's a bigger, different issue. Like, we keep superstars out of the Hall of Fame in baseball because of cheating. So I do understand some of that part, like, as we go through this segment. Like, maybe he does deserve to wait. So I don't really have as big a problem with him waiting as other people do. They're just, I can't believe. It's not, yeah, he's got to get in. He's got to get in.

He's going to get in. But, yeah, cheating's a big deal. But me being the math guy. I look at the game theory in all of this, because I do think there were certain people who were like, all right, I can only put three on here. I want to make sure this other guy gets in. And if I can only have three votes, somebody else will vote for, everybody else will vote for Belichick for all I know. And you don't know, whereas you should just be saying, who are the three most deserving people go? That should be it.

And you could have a disagreement on some of the other people, but you shouldn't be disagreeing with Bill Belichick. Either you're a Hall of Famer or you're not. And that's my thing with baseball, too, when they're like, oh, but you're not a first ballot Hall of Famer. No, no, no, no. Either you're a Hall of Famer or you're not. And the person that comes out looking the worst in all of this is not Bill Belichick and not the voters enlarge. It's Bill Pollian, a specific voter. Because he came out and was the one arguing, according to an ESPN story, of why that

cheating should affect him getting in. And then he said, oh, but I voted for him. Then in another interview with ESPN, he said he was pretty sure he voted for him. He's like a 95% chance. And to that, you just heard Dan Pompeii lay out how it happens. If you can't remember the three out of five people you voted for for the Hall of Fame, take that man's Hall of Fame vote away from him. Ray, let's get that done.

He should never vote again. He should never vote. It's inexcusable that you would get on national television or with a national outlet and explain that you can't quite remember, but you're 95% sure who you voted for. Shame on you, Bill Polly and also who you're crapping. Yeah. All of it. Yeah.

Because come on, man. Oh, and come on, man. You know, that's the most inexcusable thing. About this whole thing. Since, no, no, since there's another one. And this will get you going, I think. If I know you like I know you, because it got me indignant. Okay, go ahead.

Terrell Owens not getting in. Oh, that was dumb. That was because he wasn't a great guy. And he was a pain in the ass. Like, we all watched Terrell Owens. He was a. First ballot vote for that man because of the way he played football Hall of Famer. Who are you crappin?

You should not have an anonymous vote for a matter such as this. And if you are scared to put your name on it, recuse your vote, pass it on in the next person who can stand by who they vote into the pro football Hall of Fame. I know who's got more hot takes. We're getting pretty heated here. Danny Parkins. He's always loaded with hot takes. He'll probably agree with my not even a take, just the. the facts from earlier.

Oh, about Caleb Williams? Well, you can bring that up to him if you want. I'll bring it up to him. I think there's many things to talk about with Mr. Danny Parkins, which we will do next here on Rahimi Harrison Grotie on The Score. The score! I could do Stephen A's job, guys. It's not that hard.

Danny Parkins. QB1 party. All are invited. Host of Fox Sports Ones, first thing first. It's a heartbreaking ending to the most enjoyable Bears season of my life. I'm born in 86, so I'm not there for 85. They went to the Super Bowl in 06, NFC championship came in 2010,

but in terms of you have the coach, you have the quarterback, and they're going to be there for a decade. Like, this was so unbelievably exciting. The Bears, plenty of reason to doubt them. Caleb Williams, no. Former host of 670 the score before he abandoned us.

That's the Caleb Williams custom, baby. Jersey number one is going to the Raptors. You guys made it seem like a Chicago Bears fans, We had our guy, Danny Parkins, all these guys. Danny Parkins on 670 the school. Wait, that's it. That's him. He's Parko. He's such a parko. It's Rahimi Harrison Grotie on Chicago Sports Radio 670 to score.

And yeah, Danny Pee, joining us right now on the Circa Resort and Casino hotline, circa Las Vegas.com. Danny, you sounded great on the score yesterday. That must have been pretty cool to be a part of that tribute to Terry Boers and his life yesterday and what you were able to share, my friend. Yeah, thank you. I was honored when Speigs called me and asked to be a part of it. You know, obviously, many people worked with Terry Moore, but Speigs won it.

He knew kind of the student of the game that I am and that I grew up as a listener of B&B and wanted me to speak to his impact on me. from a listener and then my relationship with him. And, you know, it was just, I went, like I said, I went down the rabbit hole of old clips and Bors and Bernstein fans are so lucky that there's such a great archive of them available on YouTube. And, you know, the old emails, Terry and I would correspond

ahead of radiotons. And so we would talk a little bit about health. And nothing crazy. He didn't love talking about it. We traded stories over having back surgeries with each other one time. But, you know, he said one time he was like, you know, just something to the effect at the end of one of his emails, you know, like, you're a tremendous talent. The station is in great

hands. Love Terry. And I was like, man, it was just like getting that blessing from someone who he didn't owed that one to me at all. And I know he was gracious with compliments. So I'm not like stretching to pat myself on the back. But like, you know, when you were hired at such a young age, as such a lifelong radio guy to work at such a big station. And then you see, you know, Mac go out how it ended and how Burnsy went out and like, you know, Terry got to go out, like in terms of retire, but like he's said many times, like he didn't really get to, he would have kept going if not for the health stuff. Like it just makes me like more appreciative.

I wasn't there for forever, seven, eight years, but like being able to go out of my own terms and like get the blessing from guys like Mack and Bernstein and Terry who, you know, thought I did a good job with it. It, uh, it means a lot. Yeah, no doubt, man, and it is. It's heavy when you get a compliment from somebody like Terry Boar, so I totally get what you're saying. I also don't want to hear about your back surgery.

So, yeah, I'm like totally in line with that. Yeah, yeah, I get it. Yeah, I get it. I just, you know, I've, you know, it's part of your story. Trying to be relatable. Yeah, yeah. Trying to be vulnerable, but, I mean, feel free to stop on it. I'm glad your back's okay, Danny.

You're an old guy with a cat, so you can't handle the money about it. Wow. Shots fired. I am sorry about your zigzag back, okay? Yeah. Does that make it better? I understand. Listen, it's just like a traumatic thing that happened to me in my formative years.

It's not a big deal. We don't have to talk about it if it makes you uncomfortable. Well, if this makes you feel better, better, I was referred to today as a boomer. Because if you're over the 37 years of age, you're a boomer. 37 seems very arbitrary, by the way. I don't know, 40. Okay, 41. If you're over the age of 41 and you have a take that's a little old school,

And it wasn't really even a take, which I guess could lead us into, I was going to go a different direction. But now here we are. Here we are. What I brought up, Danny, was because, and I'll let Marshall talk here, Mark, we did a full hour today, Danny, on the following question. It wasn't a question. It wasn't a question.

It was a statement. Okay. You give your statement. The statement is very simple, Danny. Caleb Williams is the best quarterback the bears have ever had. Point blank period. Sid Lugman, of course, is the most accomplished. quarterback that the Bears have ever had. But much like the T

offense, the Model T gone out of style, those things are old and decrepit. And we're talking about the current NFL. And certainly, in my opinion, Caleb Williams has shown himself to be the best player to play the position. And I brought up, Danny, just to bring it full circle and the Boomer reference, I said, of course, I'm not necessarily saying Marshall is wrong, but you have to bring up guys like Jim McMahon. You have to bring up guys. You have to bring up guys like Jake Cutler just to do a little cross-checking and a little bit of debating. But where do you stand on Marshall's definitive statement?

I mean, he's obviously objectively correct. I predicted that. By the way, I predicted that. That's the only prediction I've gotten right this year that Danny would agree with Marshall. Well, hold on. Like, listen, when people have these conversations and they're great, sports radio, barbershop, whatever. I do think it is relatively instructive to talk about what we're talking about here. Tom Brady is considered the greatest quarterback of all time. People don't really dispute that. I don't find that conversation to be quite as interesting because it is just a measurement of accomplishments. It's just like, I'm looking at your trophy case.

Now, if you were saying, who is the most talented quarterback of all time, I find that a little bit more interesting because it brings in like skill set and some nuance. So like the Jim McMahon, yeah, he he has a Super Bowl and Caleb Williams doesn't. So is that, but is that the only art? Because he obviously is not more talented than Caleb Williams. And like we can't put Sid Luckman into perspective because none of us were alive to know anyone who was alive to watch the guy play basically. Like, like, you know, obviously that's hyperbolic. But you don't understand. and say like modern era football as we understand it. Caleb Williams is clearly the most talented player

the Bears have ever had to play the position. And how about this? Just like touchdown to interception ratio to start a career. First 34 games of a career. First basically two seasons of playing since 1970. Lamar Jackson, 47 touchdowns against nine picks. Patrick Mahomes.

Now he sat out most of his. first year, but first 34 games. So basically year two and three of Mahomes, pretty good, 85 touchdowns against 18 interceptions. And Caleb Williams, 47 touchdowns against 13 interceptions. He's behind Lamar and Mahomes for best touchdown interception ratio, first 34 games of his career. Like, he is, without a doubt, objectively, the most talented quarterback in the history of the Bears organization. And if you guys need to be like, well, he needs to win, he has to pass Eric Kramer with wins, like, fine.

But I'm just not terribly interested in that. No, no, I completely agree. And that's kind of the point that I was laying out, because when Grotie went hard to do his cross-checking, if you will, that's all I'm doing. He found two guys, and neither of those guys were very inspiring to me in terms of I watched the tape. If you watch,

if you have eyes, it's like believe what your lying eyes tell you, or no, you listen to what somebody says about a guy, who, as you said, has a trophy in his case. It's pretty simple and cut and dry to me. I think this is more about working through not only Mark Grody, but the city of Chicago's PTSD

and the low bar of what quarterback play has been for the Chicago Bears in recent memory. Yeah, but I mean, listen, I'm not doing radio on the score every day. I like to think that I have a pretty decent pulse still of Bears fans. Are you getting

pushback for this opinion, Marshall? Minimal pushback. We had one caller. It was hilarious. He called in. And what was, how did he start the call, Grody? Patrick. Patrick called us. Oh, yeah, he came around. He was like, ah, did you know, I haven't, he's had interceptions in big games.

And I was like, but look at the context of the interception. Like, if you throw a pick on fourth down and it's just a punt, who cares? Also, he, at the end of the call said, but tell me, who is the best quarterback in Bears history? He said, it's Caleb Williams. So, like, even the pushback has been minimal because I just want everyone to be comfortable saying it out loud, you know? I feel like people know it. I can't imagine why you want. wouldn't be. And it would be a really like weird, fatalistic, almost like white socks

fan mentality to be like, to bitch and moan for our entire lives that we've never had a good quarterback in Chicago, then get a good quarterback in Chicago, say that he's the best quarterback we've ever had in Chicago, and then want to defend the guys that we used to bitch him out. Hey, you might not actually be better than color. Well, then the disclaimer, that'd be a weird pivot. No, no, you're right. But the disclaimer part of this is incredibly important. Marshall's been very careful to point it out to his credit that the field ain't great. That's my point. And so the problem is that it's still a big statement, though. It's still is something that one has to digest and think about it. Like, hmm, maybe he is. But it's also

two years. Okay. I used the analogy earlier. Like Marshall meets a girl. He wants to move in with her in the second week. He's engaged to her in six months. I mean, are we moving too fast just having this topic right now? Let me tell you something. If I meet the right girl, guess what? The two things you just said will happen in that in short order. Same. We're too old to be messing around, man. What are you talking about? If I meet a girl, Danny, who is smart, accomplished, beautiful, and who doesn't live in a bubble and realizes the world is bigger than what she sees, I'm in.

I'm good. I mean, yeah, I mean, listen, I agree with that. You know, if you know, don't be afraid to dive into the deep end with your, with your, with your, with your, you. your quarterbacks or with your living situation. You can always get divorced. That's always there for you. It's a good thing these days. Louis C.K. says the best part about marriage is the divorce. He has an incredible bet. He's like, because my divorce just keeps getting better. Every day is better. Every day is better than the last.

So yeah, that is a great Louis bit. But yeah, I just, again, I can't imagine there's much pushback against that notion because we've been waiting a long time for this. And now, how good Caleb is to the rest of the NFL, like, the goal guys is to no longer ever have to mention the name Jay Cutler or Eric Kramer or Jim McMahon again. And that's so true. Be comparing Caleb Williams to Drake May. Compare Caleb Williams to Aaron Rogers. Compare Caleb Williams to Patrick Mahomes. Like that's the goal.

like compare him to the greats of the game, the greats of his era, the greats of his draft class, things like that. Like hopefully this is a, maybe it's not extinct yet, but this is like an endangered species, sports talk radio topic. It is. That is the voice of Danny Parkins. He's on Zoom right now. You can follow him on X, Twitter, if you'd like, at Danny Parkins, nice and easy. Check out Danny on the newly expanded First thing's first OT from 4 to 5 p.m. on FS1. That's Fox Sports 1. Danny, I think that a lot I was thinking about you, and I think a lot of our score listeners had to have been thinking about you when Mike McCarthy was introduced as the new head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. And just to whiteboard that a little bit for the folks who don't know, Danny was highly critical of Mike McCarthy in his time here at the score. And I would imagine even in your other radio lifetime. So how did that hit you?

as objectively hilarious, as the Spider-Man meme coming to life in the form of going from Mike Tomlin to Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy managed to win one Super Bowl with Prime Aaron Rogers, the most talented quarterback, arguably in the history of the sport. He coached and managed the worst football game I've ever seen to this day, the 2014 NFC Championship game against Seattle, where he repeatedly kicked field goals from the one-yard line with Aaron Rogers as his quarterback and squandered a 16-point lead with five minutes to go in the game. Just an astonishing level of game management and competence in that spot.

Took the Cowboys job, said that he watched every Cowboys game in the offseason when in his year off, was asked about at his introductory press conference, said he was lying about that just to get the job. And everyone chuckled. I'm like, I don't know, that feels like plagiarism to me. Like, I feel like that should have avoided the contract. Then he gets to go from Aaron Rogers to the Dallas Cowboys. Hmm, what's the other most historic organization in the NFL?

Charmed. And this guy gets the coach, the Pittsburgh Steelers. It's absurd. Here's some numbers for you. Mike McCarthy playoff win-loss record since winning his Super Bowl in 2010. He's six and nine. Second worst of any coach with 10-plus games behind Tomlin. You'd say, well, it's something to get to 10-plus playoff games, and it is.

But who's the worst coach since their Super Bowl win with 10 or more playoff appearances? It's Mike Tomlin at 5 and 11. Mike Tomlin would be just good enough to get you to the playoffs and then lose. Mike McCarthy is just good enough to get you to the playoffs and then lose. And call me old-fashioned, but I think that there's value in being bad for a year strategically so you could step forward. The last time the Steelers had a losing record, they were six and ten. The next year, they drafted Ben Rothlisberger.

The year after that, they won 15 games. The year after that, they won a Super Bowl. There was a pretty famous losing season for the Steelers way back in 1969. They won a coin flip for the number one overall pick. Took a guy by the name of Terry Bradshaw. Five years later, they won four of the next six Super Bowls. There's value in losing, and in Pittsburgh, they just celebrate we went 9 and 8.

We went 10 and 7 and lost in the wild card round. Mike McCarthy is good enough to go 10 and 7 and losing the wild card round. But if you actually want to win big and modern football, it's a ridiculous hire. Everybody knows. What I tell you, Marshall? Well, all I heard was him talking about the Bulls. Oh, wait, no, you're talking about football. My bad.

Yeah. Yeah. It is a boomer take, but it's right. You know what the difference, though, in the NFL, if you have an awful pick, you're guaranteed, an awful record, you're guaranteed a top pick. In the NBA, you have an awful record. You still have to play ping pong balls with lottery and have a 14% chance, and there may or may not be a guy in that.

There is no value in the middle in the NFL. There's none. It is completely, like, it's why I argued correctly against the Chicago football brain trust Illuminati that Grody works with all the time at House Hall, about there was absolutely no value in that Bears team learning how. to win. Oh, yeah. And they should lose out so they could get the highest draft pick possible. They got that draft pick. They traded it to Carolina. They got a draft pick back who turned into Kayla Williams, who Marshall will tell you is the best quarterback in the history of the

best quarterback. Well done. Well done. Danny's is excellent. I feel uncomfortable, Danny, because we've been agreeing a lot lately, like a lot. Yeah. It's been a little much. It's been a little a little much. But you were around, Marshall. You were not around. This was a, this was a, I mean, I was so unpopular among Bears media, probably still I am, but like they would write about like, no, no, no, no, no. I think, I think it would be a good idea for the Justin Fields Bears to go, you know, five and 12 instead of three and 14. And there's real value in winning these games now. Oh, really? Oh, really?

Just all that would have done was cost you the rights to Caleb. Williams. Congratulations. You'd have a different left tackle right now, but you'd have no quarterback. It's just, it was just nonsense. It was a whole motif here, man. Danny is on point here. I would, if I was on these airwaves back then, I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly. Oh, there's value in learning how to win for a coaching staff and roster of players who won't be here anymore when they're good. I don't know if Fluce learned anything while he was here. Yeah. Danny, before we get you out of here, because Janus is out here and apparently available right now in the Bulls because like what you said, they don't do what they need to do and have,

I don't know, that unprotected pick from the New Orleans Pelicans, which would really come in handy right about now. What should the Bulls do between now and Thursday's trade deadline? Because they should just sell, sell, sell, sell, and get picks, picks, picks. But I'm afraid they're going to sell, sell, sell, and get young players in return. I mean, listen, Josh Giddy has looked good, you know what I mean? So it's not always a bad idea if you get a young player who has upside. But to be honest with you, they are still where they've been, which is in a really tough spot.

Obviously, I'm all for any unprotected or minimally protected first round draft picks for the future you can get. Those are incredibly valuable lottery tickets. But there's no chance the Bulls can win a bidding war for Janus. The only way they can win the bidding war for Janus is if Janus demands to play for the Bulls. And there's no reasonable reason to believe that that is going to happen. I told Grotty, I said, listen, the Bulls have players that if they traded them away for Janus, would leave Janus with no one to play with. Yeah, that's true.

Danny, we got a goal. Right. And Janus has power. Like, Janus has, Janus, he's going to want to go where he wants to go, and then he's going to want to go somewhere. The whole point is to have enough left for him to be able to win when he gets there. So, you know, he would have to demand to play for the Bulls, and the bucks are not going to, that's not going to happen. There's no way. Bell check is not a first ballot hall of famer. You think that it's an injustice or do you think

it's the right way to go? Yeah, you know, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the coach with the most Super Bowls and the most playoff wins and the second most wins of all time. If he's eligible for a Hall of Fame that cares about those things and doesn't have a morality clause, he should be a Hall of Famer. Like if this was the baseball Hall of Fame and there was a morality clause, then it would be a reasonable debate. But since there is no morality clause, and it's just supposed to be on your merits. I find it very hard to make a merit-based argument for Bill Belichick not to make it into the Hall of Fame.

He didn't see the fine print of the petty clause. That's what he missed. Yeah, yeah. Which, by the way, by the way, I respect. Of course you do. I don't agree. I don't agree with it. But like, these guys should come out and say, yeah, I don't like them.

and so I'm making him wait. Like, if you want to stand on your pettiness, I have no problem with that. It's the like, I don't remember who I voted for. Well, then, well, then you don't get a vote. Like, if you can't remember who you voted for, you should no longer be allowed to vote. Absolutely. Right.

That seems like a fairly straightforward, like, cognitive line that we should be able to hold these guys to. Like, if Bill Polly, honestly, on the record said, I don't remember with 100% certainty if I voted for Bill Belichick or not. Well, and I'm sorry, you no longer get to vote on these things. He's a senile or clown. That's what it comes down to him. And, Danny, I think you were here, if I'm not mistaken, when the whole Terrell Owens thing happened, where he didn't get first ballot Hall of Fame.

I yelled at everybody. Yeah. Yeah. I yelled at it. Well, yeah, same thing. But, and worse, by the way, because T.O. was only the third best receiver in the history of the NFL. Bill Belichick is first. Like, you know, it's just a...

And I understand the like, hey, it's a slap on the wrist for cheating. Yeah, yeah, you know. I get that argument, but then you have to be able to come out and stand on that argument, and you have to explain where in the bylaws of the Hall of Fame they are asking you to weigh that. Like, that's not... Shouldn't that be implied, though? No, no, I'm with them. You shouldn't cheat, like cheating and cheating is...

Because baseball does have the morality clause. I get exactly what Danny's seen. If baseball did not have the morality clause, you think bonds would be in, right? Yeah. Right. Right. And so he's out because of the morality cause. Okay.

All right. I guess I think of morality clause. I don't know. Like, there's like, is that, is cheating a moral issue? Absolutely. But isn't it borderline illegal too? And I get it. We're parsing words here.

Isn't cheating? They find them. Cheating is illegal, right? But they punished him. They punished him. They didn't say in their punishment, and this should be considered. And again, if a voter, if 11 voters want to come out and say, I didn't vote for Bill Belichick because the Spygate, fine. Okay.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, fine. But just, but, like, come out and come out and say it. Don't hide behind it or not answer for it or claim that you forgot. Like, just like, make your case. Make your case to the public. Danny, you are a great Parkinson's like you always are. Thank you for coming on the show.

Thank you for being on the right side of history, by the way. And I'm thinking about your back. I will be. I will be thinking about your back. And if you think about my cat, you know, if we can have that understanding between us, I think you and I'll get along swimmingly. Thanks, Danny. I'm not going to ever think about your cat.

Bye, Danny. That is the great Danny. Parkins, former afternoon show host here at the score and midday show host here at the score. He does his work right now. And the newly expanded first thing's first OT from four to five on FS1, Danny Parkins. Let's talk more about another Hall of Fame, shall we? Let's talk about the Pro Basketball Hall of Fame. It's not even a Pro Basketball Hall of Fame.

It's just the Basketball Hall of Fame. Yep. Oh, yeah, you're right. Of course. That's why I'm going to explain. Billy Donovan is in because of a football. work in college, of course. But let's talk about that as it pertains to Derek Rose, and Reggie Miller was talking about it,

weighing in on Chicago athletes. Let's talk about all of it next year. Rahimi Harrison Grody on the score. Rahimi Harrison Grody, midday's 10 a.m. to 2 on Chicago Sports Radio 670 the score. His leadership was also about trust, accountability, and them. performance. He showed everyone what it takes to be a great Chicago Bowl and a great man. Congratulations to Derek and his entire family for this well-deserved honor. The next stop, in my opinion, is the Hall of Fame, and there is no doubt about that.

And he's Tom Thibito. The former Bulls head coach, part of the ceremony. for the retiring of Derek Rose's jersey at the United Center the other day. Trajimi Harrison Grotie on the score. As a matter of fact, Marshall, told you I was at the Bulls-Lakers game a couple of nights ago. They were still there.

It was like they showed the skybox. There's Tibbs. I'm still here! It looked hilarious. It was almost defiant looking. There's Joaquinaoa, who of course is an ambassador for the Bulls. But for some reason,

and when I was at the Bulls game, Bulls Lakers, I cracked up. I'm like, he's still here. Like, Tibbs couldn't wait to get out of town. Well, I think it was more of the other side. The Bulls couldn't wait to get Tibbs out of town when he was dismissed from the Chicago Bulls. So it does make me happy, though, to see it.

That everybody's in their places, everybody's happy, all that guys. Well, really, why wouldn't you stick around and watch the Lakers if they were coming into town? I guess so. Luca, LeBron, not knowing if this was LeBron's last year. He loved Chicago. Like, Tom Thibodeau loved being about town, getting himself a steak at a good steakhouse. As long as you've got a good coat, good pair of gloves and a hat. You're good.

Like Tibbs is tough, man. He's Midwest tough. Is that what we are? Midwest tough? I'd like to think so. But he said it. Tim said it at the end there. There's no doubt in his mind that Derek Rose should be a Hall of Famer.

As you said correctly, a basketball Hall of Famer. What do you say about that? Is Derek Rose, there's no doubt about it. He's going into the Basketball Hall of Fame. absolutely when he's eligible. Derek Rose is going to be a Hall of Famer because Derek Rose is not just contributed at the NBA level, the professional level, but he's also contributed, if you look at what he did in his one year in college, leading a team to the national championship game, if you look at how

dynamic of a player he was even in high school, Simeon, those things are all factors because unlike other Hall of Fames, they call it the what football Hall of Fame? The pro football Hall of Fame. So you're measured on your professional accomplishments. in the basketball Hall of Fame, you're measured on a variety of things. Think about all the foreign players who are also in the Hall of Fame.

Vlady Devach, you could look at a whole bunch of players. Dropping Petrovich. Tony Kooch. Tony Kooch, is a great example. Was he got in the Lakers? Besides Vladita Dvats? No, no, not Gassol. Well, yeah, Gassal, though.

But I'm saying... But Vlade is a great... The bar is so much lower for the Basketball Hall of Fame, the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame, than the other halls of fame. It just is. It's lower.

So Derek Rose getting in there. I can see him definitely being there. He should be there. You're right. Based on the, boy, this has been a low expectations show here today. Like our Bears conversation, because the field of Bears' quarterbacks is not great, Caleb Williams could be considered the greatest quarterback of all time,

because the field of the Basketball Hall of Fame is, I don't even know suspects the right word because nobody, I don't think anybody's ever apologized at the basketball Hall of Fame. It is what it is. The criterion to get in are not as stringent as the other sports. Criteria there is much lower than any of the other halls of fame. Yeah. Right.

So it wins an MVP. So no MVP. Just a matter of time. It might take 10, 15 years, but he's going to get in. Let's listen to what Reggie Miller had to say about this. I would be surprised if he doesn't. He would be the only MVP not to be in the Hall of Fame.

Man, if he didn't get a heard of... If he's not he'll be first ballot, but he'll get in at some point. But... For a six to eight year stretch, he was... Him and LeBron were battling for who was the best player in the game. And the youngest MVP, I would be surprised. At some point, he's going to get in. All MVP's get in.

I've said this on numerous occasions when I first started on this side of the aisle, I'm calling games. I would pay. I would have paid to watch him play. He was so electrifying and his demeanor because he wasn't one of those cocky kind of guys, but he exuded confidence. And it just permeated because he, you know, he lit the other guys because Joaquinoa was the guy who was like cocky and flashy doing all the talking. And Lual Deng was, you know, quiet, kind of like.

D. Rose, Coach Thibs just had those guys, oh, man, I would have paid money to watch Derek Rose. He was that electrified. It's pretty amazing when a 6'2 or 6'3-3 guy can get you to the Eastern Conference finals and give you all those wins and dominate in a rookie year in which he got MVP and all of the awards. Again, that's Reggie Miller on the Dan Patrick show making the case. He said he did say, not right away, though. Even this Hall of Fame will make you think a little bit, not first ballot for Derek Rose. And I get it, it's duration.

It really is because he was unbelievable. He was a blast of a player, but it didn't last long. It's like the best comp I could give you here is like Gail Sayers, who played for what, six years in the NFL? And he was a slam dunk first ballot Hall of Famer because of the work that he did within those time frames. So there's a little bit of that, though, with Derek Rose where people might make him wait. Yeah, if Derek Rose had never played again after he got hurt, I don't even know if we're having this conversation in the same way,

but you had a lot of years of Derek Rose off the bench, Derek Rose in a secondary and a role where he wasn't one of the best two or three players on his team. And that shapes how you remember him because that's the last way of remembering him if you're not, say, from the city of Chicago. But ultimately, it's the basketball Hall of Fame. The bar is very low. One more cut I want to play from Reggie Miller on The Dan Patrick Show, and that is talking about Derek Rose's love.

legacy. And it's weird to say this, that he may mean more to Chicago because he was local than Michael Jordan. Like Jordan gave you the titles, gave you all of that, but Derek Rose local one of your own and becoming a league MVP and, you know, a Hall of Famer. Born and bred. And at some point, that's why LeBron was so loved and then became so hated because he was born and bred in Ohio, played high school and was obviously drafted by them. And then they felt betrayal when, you know, he left and took his talents to South Beach, but made up for it by coming back and winning them, you know, their only championship. So you're right. When in terms of pecking order, yes, Michael Jordan, he has all the accolades, fantastic. But to me, the two people I will

always think about in Chicago, number one, Derek Rose, Isaiah Thomas, too. I mean, when you think of Chicago basketball, a lot of times his name doesn't get mentioned. Isaiah needs to be mentioned as one of the great Chicago athletes of all time. I think that's very respectful and knowledgeable of Reggie Miller to say something like that, to understand how much Derek Rose means to Chicago and he means a ton to Chicago. He has gotten the benefit of the doubt in every way, shape, or form because he is from Chicago and celebrated like a Chicago in. Michael Jordan is the person you should always think of when you think of Chicago baseball or basketball, not Isaiah Thomas. You can go through the litany of high school players who came through

Chicago and became stars, but it's like, and I know he wasn't like going full hot take here, But it always just kind of bothers me when people are like, don't put Jordan at the top, like the top with space in between in terms of who the biggest impact ever on the city of Chicago was and probably always will be is Michael Jordan. He's at the top of every list in Chicago by a mile. It's not close. It's not close. He won six titles. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that we have the video to support that at the time he was playing when games on television became very much normal. normalized and everything else. So even if you're a

grade school kid in the Derek Rose era, right? And you're 7, 8, 9, 10 years old watching Derek Rose become MVP, you can always go look at the tape at Michael Jordan be like, it's very different than looking at the tape of, I don't know, Sid Luckman comparing him to Caleb Williams. Here's who you think of when you

think of Chicago basketball. Not that guy. As fun as it is to think of the guys that are actually from here, it's Jordan by a mile on every list. On every list, there probably shouldn't even be a number two on the Michael Jordan list. But let us take one more break.

I think I'm being told. Do we have new Tom Brady audio? It's so fresh, Grody. It's hot. It's fresh. It's Tom Brady, and he's sharing his thoughts on Bill Velichick's

First Ballot-of-Fame, snubbing. Oh, let's take the breakdown. Rahimi Harris and Grotie. We'll be hearing from Tom Brady next on the score. Harrison Grody, Midday's 10 a.m. to 2. On Chicago Sports Radio 670 to score.

All right. me here? Oh, I am too. Bill Belichick right there. He's not a first ballot Hall of Famer. Man, still sounds weird coming out of my mouth when I say that. ESPN reported yesterday that Bill Belichick will not be a first ballot hall of famer. He reportedly failed to get 40 votes from the 50-person committee.

80%. Yeah, that's what you have to have. It's crazy to consider that, and we are going to hear momentarily some fresh audio from Tom Brady, the quarterback, who was linked and won so much with Bill Belichick. But first, tonight's, the Bulls are on the road to take on the Pacers. Pre-game coverage begins at 545. Tip-off is at 6 o'clock, perfect for Marshall, right here on the score, and the Fitzgerald Equipment Bowles Radio Network, powered by Heli Forklifts. Let's hear what Tom Brady had to say. I don't understand it. I mean, I was with them every day. If he's not a first bout hallfamer, there's really no coach that should ever be a first bout

hallfamer, which is completely ridiculous because people deserve it. And he's, he's incredible. There's no coach I'd ever want to play, I'd rather play for it. If I'm picking one coach to go out there to win a Super Bowl, give me one season, I'm taking Bill Belichick. So that's enough said. There's nothing outside of that. You know, again, when he comes down to votes and, you know,

popularity and all that, like, you know, then welcome to the world of voting. And you may as well go, you know, try out for the Oscars or whatever and, you know, get a big panel to tell you if you're good or not. So it's the way it works. And unfortunately, you know, he's going to get into the Hall of Fame. In the end, I'm not worried about that. You know, and a lot of times in life, you know, for all of us, you know, things don't happen exactly how you want to run your timeline.

But we'll all be there to celebrate him when it does happen. And he's going to have a huge turn. out from so many players, coaches that appreciated everything that he did and the commitment that he made to winning and the impact that he had on all our lives. And that'll be a great celebration when it happens. Tom Brady right there on Seattle Sports. Is that it is? That's the station. Seattle Sports. Seattle Sports. Seattle's sports. Seattle's home for everything. Seahawks Mariners. Seattle Sports. Tom Brady. Yeah. I mean, he's probably right. if Bill Belichick's not going to get in as a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Who exactly is? But I will say this. The downfall of Bill Belichick really started with Tom Brady leaving, right? And Bill Belichick having no success without him and Tom Brady going on to big time success without Bill. And then Bill, ending up where he is now in North Carolina, like it's just been a wild path for Bill since the exit of Tom Brady. So he could say all those nice things, but he's part of this.

Don Chula, Chuck Knoll, Tom Landry. No one's arguing that those are first ballot Hall of Fame coaches, correct? I would not argue with any of those. Those are the only three head coaches who have been first ballot Hall of Fame. So now there's a degree of separation between them and Bill Belichick. And again, if it's the petty they were after, have found the petty either that or the game theory of it all, thinking someone else was going to vote them in because I got to make sure some of these other guys get in.

How big of a slap in the face and how idiotic would these voters look if Robert Kraft gets in in the same class where they denied? Like the coach that actually did something to get them to all those titles? It's different when you have a salary. cap versus a sport with no salary cap because the owner maybe comes into play a little bit more. Yeah. Because you got to be shrewd when you decide to pay people and not pay people in a bigger manner because you can just outspend.

Hello, Los Angeles Dodgers. But I think this is more about the Bill Pollians of the world and just they're either, like I said, either he's senile or he's a clown. It's one of the other. It could be both, but it's one or the other. Either way, somebody's got to be. be his friend. Right.

And tell him. And say this is over and that friend should be whoever is in charge of the NFL voting committee, right? Who should say, love you, man, your body, what you've done for the NFL all your years. If you want to blah-bitty, blah-de-blah him before you do it, that's fine, whatever it takes. But yeah, kindly, sir. Dear sir, this is an untenable situation. Do you know how it usually goes when you tell older people that? not good?

It does not go well. They try to hang on for dear life to what they feel like they still have value. Oh, right, because they don't have as many beliefs to give at that point either. You're trying to give advice to a guy

who's a consultant for how long and telling people who to hire and not to hire for their head coaching jobs? Including here. Including here. I just want to put it all out there in perspective. But Bill Polian, with this news that he can't remember

100% who he voted for when it was only three people. Like, I'm shocked that we have haven't heard yet. Like, yes, he's out. Bill Pulling will know, he can't hurt you anymore. He's not voting anymore. He'll not be punching a ballot for NFL Hall of Fame anymore.

It's okay. Bill Polling in is item number one. Item number two, make the ballots public. Yeah. Just that will solve a lot of the problems if you make the ballots public because anyone who is too cowardly to come forward with their ballot will no longer be a part of the voting process because someone who is willing to come forward will be a part of. part of the voting process. That's true. As I'm making my way through the hallways here at the

score intermittently, I have seen two people that want to take over the mics next. One of those is Matt Spiegel. Yes. The other, and I know you just saw him as well, Dan Weir. He looked very nice. I felt very underdress saying hello to Dan Weir. He does look very professional. He's got the sports coat on. I don't know who he's trying to impress exactly. The jacket. Yeah, what do you think? Maybe he's getting ready for his Hall of Fame speech. Yeah, wait a minute. Wait a minute. So yeah, Weezie is in today from the athletic and from Take the North. He is in for Lawrence Holmes. So when we return, we will talk to Spiegel and Holmes with Matt Spiegel and Dan

Weider next on the score.