Rahimi, Harris & Grote Show - Russ Dorsey talks Cubs' slow start, Noah Schultz's talents (Hour 4)

Episode Date: April 14, 2026

In the final hour, Marshall Harris and Mark Grote were joined by Russ Dorsey of Yahoo Sports to discuss the Cubs' slow start and to preview the MLB debut of 22-year-old White Sox left-hander Noah Schultz, who will start against the Rays on Tuesday evening.

The score. This hour is being brought to you by Cars for Kids. Russell Dorsey, National MLB Insider for Yahoo Sports. If we're going All In, or the Cubs version of All In, and you make the moves they made, you bring Bregman in, and you look at their roster after the 2026 season where they have money freed up, and you're like, okay, we believe in Pete and his talents,

and we believe that he's a guy at a premier position that we can have locked in for a long time, and maybe has some value if we do this now, maybe this is the right time to do it. Host of the Relay with Russ Dorsey podcast. Nico Horner is good at a lot of things. An elite defender, really athletic, great base runner, 160, 175 hits every year, 30 doubles every year. He's proven that you can be a really productive big league player.

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Heck yeah. It's Rahimi, Harris, and Grody. And we are pleased and fortunate to have Russ Dorsey like he does come in studio. I hope you know how appreciated that is. Man, I appreciate you guys wanting me back. Like you could

say, hey, that Russ guy, Let's just Twitch. He can be on Twitch on Zoom, but like, we don't want to see him. Keep walking. Take a walk downtown. Like, it's a lot different when your, your vibe is with everybody, as opposed to like, all right, he's on the screen and we can just say goodbye to him. That's it, man.

There's nothing like in studio guests, and you are an absolute constant. I should also point out that Russ Dorsey, who will be with us for the next couple of segments, talking Cubs and White Sox. Maybe he's excited about Noah Schultz. I hope somebody is other than me. I am excited about Noah Schultz. Sorry, I'm misrepresenting you now. I don't know.

Before the break, I could hear the disdain in your voice. I don't know if you were really excited, White Sox-Marshal. We'll get back to that. We will, and I'll let you have your say so you're not misrepresenting. But I do, I'm not going to lie, I do like to misrepresent you. Ross will be filling in for Matt Spiegel on hit and run on Sunday from 9 a.m. to 1245 before Cubs Mets right here on 104. the score. So that's pretty cool, man. It's official. Streets can know. Yeah, I'm really excited about

that. Oh, you didn't know that this was real? I didn't know that everybody could know, but now that people know, yes, I'm thrilled to be hosting and filling in for Speegs on hit and run on Sunday. It's one of those things that sounds really nerdy, but as a kid, growing up, listening to the score before church, my dad have hit and run on with Rosner, who is one of them. my mentors. Oh, man. And so listening to him hosted for all those years through the years of Joe and speaks and now getting to help fill in on hit and run is awesome. That's cool.

Shout out to the original, do you know who, the little score trivia here? The original pairing for hit and run. Do you remember that? You might have been a little too, too young for this. I'm going to throw out a guess here, but usually it's the right answer to things. Was Grobber one of the hosts? No, Grover was not one of the hosts. But they are one of them is a prominent ESPN member.

I'll just tell you. It was George Hoffman, George Offman, and Jesse Rogers. Ah! We're the original co-hosts of Hit and Run. How about that? So there you have. So it was a co-hosted show, and now it's a solo show. It was a co-hosted show.

And actually, Spiegel used to host it as from a reference point that Russ just brought up with Barry Rosner. Those two used to host. And then Spiegel was like, the hell with it. If I'm going to do this, I want to do it all alone. He got rid of all of his partners and said, I have got to be solo Speigs. Selfish. Yeah, exactly. He's like, I need the mic.

Not to be confused. with shellfish, which I can't have. That's right. So you saw that shellfish tower in Las Vegas, and you're like, sorry. Yeah, it was of no use to me. That's okay. That's unfortunate. But we started the show today, Russ,

talking about what was, I called it an emotional game last night for the Cubs because they lose to the Phillies 13 to 7. Schwaber, Schwaber, Schwab, Hits two home runs in the game, which of course stimulated memories of him being non-tendered in 2020.

emotional because Javier Sade did not look good in the game. No, he did not. Emotional because Craig Counsel seemed to concede the game at a certain point, keeping Javier Assad in the game. But what did you think about that Cubs lost last night? And the Cubs just can't quite get it going yet. Yeah, it's tough when you're in the fifth inning and you already, you're down by a touchdown.

And it's like, okay, Eagles up 10 to three. No, yeah, you're going to have those games throughout the course of a 162 game schedule. I think the thing that stick out about that game, number one, when you're in a position like the Cubs are where you're not really healthy when it comes to your starting pitching, you need innings. Like, you need guys to give you at least five innings. And last night, like, they made the kid Charlie Barnes take one for the team. and kept them in the game enough for them to score some runs late, even though it was kind of out of hand. You got to get innings.

And I think that's the thing for me with the Cubs for the next month is starters got to get to the fifth inning and give that offense a chance, which we need to talk about too, to scorch some runs and keep you in ball games. But if they're not able to get length out of that starting rotation, you're going to have some problems. Well, that's the issue I have because I know. know that the Cubs are good enough to find ways to win a lot of these games. But when you go up against other teams that are set on making the playoffs, such as the

Philadelphia Phillies, who have elite starting pitching, I think more times and not what you saw last night is going to be the end result. They're going to be giving up runs to teams that can score runs, and they're going to be able to not score as many runs because those teams have, again, not just regular starting pitching, which Javier aside, that's somebody's number five, number four starter on any given team, but on a good team, he might not even be on the rotation as the Cubs had. And so the idea that they're going to be able to outscore teams like the Phillies, the Dodgers, the Padres, that's where you get in trouble. Yeah, it's last night was perfect for that example that you give Marshall because on the other side,

you had a guy that is an NL-Syeung contender, right? Finish second, runner up to Paul Skeen's. as a Cy Young race in the National League last year in Christopher Sanchez. And so when you know you're going up against the guy like that, you know that, one, the offense got to be prepared because it's going to be tough sledding for at least however long he's in the game. But whoever's on the bump for you also has to know, well, the guy on the other side is really tough.

So I got to keep us in this game as long as possible. But Schwabber is going to have some of those games. He's going to have some of those games against the Cubs. And, you know, I was listening early to the show. It's a battle that I've talked to Cubs fans about for a long time since Kyle got non-tendered. I think it's a losing battle because I don't think you'll ever get Cubs fans to be like, hey, that's one that Jed messed up. Like, that's the opinion of a lot of Cubs fans. I've always been of the belief that, and I've asked Kyle about this, even after, I don't.

don't think you get the same version of Kyle Schwerber that he is right now if he's not non-tendered. And he even said after they non-tendered him, they gave me every opportunity. Yeah. Right. So that's why I'm always just like, at some point, you got to let it go. But I know that's a losing battle. So I won't even fight anymore. You're so right, man.

And I even said it, like, I have been, when it comes to Schwerber and the Cubs, I have been a Cubs apologist when it comes to that move because at the time, he was slashing 188, 308, 393, things have been going haywire with the Cubs offense in general. Whatever philosophy they had, which was hit the ball over the wall to oversimplify, was no longer going well. So I've kind of been like inviting, whenever this has come up, I've always invited Cubs fans to really remember what was going on at the time with Kyle Schwabber with that Cubs team, but I came in it today, Russ.

You're like, nah, I don't know, man. Forget all that. You were kind of like that? Like for the first time and just wondering, like, I'm not the GM. I'm a guy giving opinions on the radio here. Should Jed Hoyer have looked at it and projected differently? And I guess this is a long way to ask the question. How do you think Jed Hoyer feels about it?

Do you think he would give the answer that I give the apologist answer that I always used to give? Or do you think he looks back on it now and says, maybe I should have seen something that I didn't at the end of Schwerber's tenure with the Cubs? No, I think the Cubs have always thought highly of Kyle Schwerber, right? Like he was one of those crown jewels like Rizzo and Javi and KB. And he was one of those guys. Like what he did for that team after tearing his ACL early in 2016, coming back for the World Series, playing as well as he did.

Not to mention with the 2015 heroics. And would have hitting the ball up on the top of the board. And then they, it was that was its own like thing. Like the ball was just up there the rest of the postseason. Everything he hit with the Cubs was legendary. Right. And so I think even after non-tendering him, they always thought highly of Kyle and are happy that he has been able to have the career that he's had post-cubs.

That's fair. I think two things here. One, you're spot on because in listening to Schwarber himself described the situation about they gave me all the chances. Like, he doesn't put any blame on the coach. No, he hasn't put any blame on the coach. And I do think he might be a different player if he doesn't go through that experience. We've seen this before with other players and other sports or just baseball players in general.

Sometimes you've got to go through the pain, the setback to have the growth that you need. You got to be uncomfortable in a place of, okay, I've got to get over this. I've got to be like the Phoenix and rise from these ashes that I've created myself. He went to Washington, put up good numbers in a hitter-friendly environment for a left-handed hitter, gets traded to the Red Sox, another hitter-friendly environment for a left-handed hitter, signs a decent deal with the Phillies, and then takes it to another level where he's one of the premier left-handed power hitters in the league, where he's a runner-up for MVP, and then locks in another big-time contract this past off-season. And so I think for Kyle Schwerber, the situations that he's found himself in post-cubs have helped him elevate himself as a player.

And I think what also helps Kyle is people love being around that dude. And I think the Phillies realized very quickly, you might have better players on your roster than Kyle Schwerber. But you don't, that's the emotional leader of whatever team he's on. And that's what he's gotten, or that's what the Phillies have gotten out of him since he signed there. And what really kind of magnified all of it for Cubs fans is the fact that the offense is not clutch right now. No. Another four for 16 with runners in scoring position. Early, early, early, early, get it.

What is your concern level with that fact? And there were many examples last night where they didn't come through. Yeah, we're starting to see that be the trend. And this week on my podcast, I talked about sample size. And the sample size that I usually go with is different from what fans think about. because the thing I love about fans, no matter if it's game one or game 162, you're living and dying with every pitch.

And you understand that, hey, it's a long season and all that, but you're like, nah, I don't like this. But I think in that, it's important to look at trends. So for me,

I say, all right, in this two, three week stretch, what is a trend that's concerning? And that is a trend that's concerning. Now, I don't think I'm full panic button

until, let's say, Memorial Day. If we're on Memorial Day and the Cubs hitting with runners and scored position is bottom third in Major League Baseball and guys that you expect to come through are not coming through. And you're looking up at the standings going into the month of June and you're just like, all right, we're looking at the Brewers and the Reds and the Pirates are on top. That's when you really say, okay, it could get late before, you know, you know it. Because that was one of the things that you looked at with this team and said, okay, they have guys that can do a lot of different things. It's not just the slug.

Like those teams of the past that you talked about. But if you're not able to come through when you have runners on second base, less than two outs, runners on third base, less than two outs, and then you're losing games five to three or three to two, and those runs start to come up and you say, man, that's an area where this team could have won the ball game. That's where you start to get concerned. To your point, Russell, understand this.

When we're talking about high-leveraged situations for batters from a team perspective, only four teams have had more plate appearances where they've had high-leverage situations. That's the men on base doing things in important situations. The Mets lead baseball with 96 plate appearances. The Mariners, 83 plate appearances. The New York Yankees, 81 tied with the Toronto Blue Jays. Right behind them with 80 of those plate appearances, is the Chicago Cubs.

For comparison's sake, the White Sox are way down in 19th place with 53 of those plate appearances. Here's the problem. Waded runs created plus in those situations, the Cubs are 27th. 67, right behind the White Sox is 71. Do you get what I'm saying?

They're getting in the situations. And this goes back to their horrible numbers with runners in scoring position and then taking it to another level when you talk about high leverage in general. they're just not getting it done. But the comforting thing for me and seeing that, back to what you're saying about trends, is they are getting plenty of those situations.

Yeah, like, the thing that I was looking at when some of these numbers started to pop up, it's like, all right, let's see how often they're getting on base. And they were top five in baseball and walks. Right? Like the thing that they're good at getting on base, they have been doing. They just haven't been cashing in those chances. My question for you guys would be, do you trust in that? names in that lineup right now right like can you trust the back of the baseball cart because if you

can i know it's not the sexy thing to say but you at least got to give it an opportunity to turn because as we know baseball is highs and lows and this could just be an offense that is in a rut right now we know we all live in chicago we know what those early games in april are like it's going to warm up here soon you're going to have games where like look at the the angels game from a couple of weeks ago where you have a 75 degree day offense comes through we're going to have have some 70 and 80 degree days coming up here when the Cubs are playing at home. But you want to be able to have, be able to score with runners and scoring positions, whether they're at Wrigley or they're on the road.

I get that. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead, Marshall. No, I was just to say, I think to your question, do I expect Alex Bregman to only have three extra base hits over his next 16 games like he did the first? No, I expect him to do more. Right.

Pete Kerr-Armstrong, two extra base hits over his next 16. No, I expect more. Michael Bush, two doubles. That's all he's got. Like, an 0 for 30 is, like, you would say that has to be wrong if you weren't watching the game and say, wow, Michael Bush was in an 0 for 30. That it's concerning from the production standpoint, but you also know, hey, baseball's funky like that sometimes. And guys go through these stretches. And so you just hope for the Cubs sake and Michael Bush's sake in that example that those things start to turn.

Yeah, and PCA too. I mean, he's kind of freaking me out right now. And I think a lot of Cubs fans just because of the second half. But maybe we could talk more about PCA and the other side. And we must talk about the Chicago White Sox and No Shultz. Yeah, Marshall. Let's go. We're going to get you excited about this yet, man.

The big lefty, come on now. No Shultz. 6-10, Marshall. Come on. He's practically already, Randy Johnson. Touches 99, man. What did you say about Randy Johnson just now? No.

Bring it home, baby. You're ready for you. What did you just say about Randy Johnson? Johnson. He's practically already Randy Johnson. He's practically already Randy Johnson. See, this is why me and Grody, you can't get along sometimes. It's not fun when somebody else does. We'll let Marshall speak for himself when we return

with Russ Dorsey and Rahimi Harrison Grody on the score. You're listening to Rahimi Harrison Grody on Sports Radio 104. The score. It's an exciting day. It's been a huge team effort for everybody at the pitching development department. everybody behind the scenes in R&D, all the scouts that were involved with his process, and just to see him go out there, be healthy, and give us a chance to continue to win in the future is really exciting. That's White Sox pitching advisor, Brian Bannister, talking about the expected debut of Noah Schultz tonight

as the White Sox are home to play Tampa Bay tonight. He is their top pitching prospect, everybody excited to see him. A little bit of Cubs breaking news here. Breaking news on the score is sponsored by IDOT. Speeding in a work zone is a no-win. Mind the signs and avoid the fines. He's back, ladies and gentlemen,

the Cubs are calling up Iowa Cubs left-handed pitcher. Luke Little from AAA. Little has pitched parts of previous three seasons in Chicago. He is big and he is tall, just like Noah Schultz, but he has returned to the Chicago Cubs. Yeah, he's just like Noah Schultz.

Just, stuff and everything. The height, the height, baby, Luke Little. The irony of Luke Little, his name is Little, but he is a tall man. It is Rahimi Harrison Grotie. We've got Russ Dorsey hanging out. Yeah. Are you moved by Luke Little in any way, shape, or form?

No. No, I'm not either. I'm ready to move on. It's less about Luke Little, and no offense to Luke Little and the Little family. It's more because... In their little family. I only have room for excitement for one

It's all left-hander. Yeah. Oh, so who you're excited for? Noah Schultz, like you should be. I am excited. You're more excited about the Luke Little. You're like, Grotie. You get to hit that breaking news sounder, man.

Just doing our jobs. We're just doing our jobs. Listen, I am excited about Noah Schultz. I hope that he is great. I hope that he continues a trend since the calendar switched to April. Do you guys know who's leading all of baseball in ERA? That'd be the Pittsburgh Pirates. Do you know who's leading the American League and is second in all baseball?

ball in ERA? Got to be the White Sox. Is that the Chicago White Sox? Starting pitching. Your. Starting pitching. 2.680RA. It's really good.

They've had two great turns through the starting rotation. And I think hopefully Noah Schultz adds to that. And Grant Taylor goes back to his actual role, which is Mason Miller like in stature, pitching multiple innings in high leverage, get you through that heart of the order, top of the order late in a game. six, seven, eighth inning, somewhere along there. That's my goal here for the White Sox. Yeah, I think it was the biggest concern for the White Sox coming in the season is how can

they get through six months with their starting pitching? I still think it's going to be a concern at some point, but it has to be nice for the White Sox to see their starters that they put out there, although you don't have your opening day starter right now, another story for another day. The fact that they've been able to get quality innings. now, to the point you talked about before I came on the show, it's tough sledding when you only have one guy hitting 200.

Like not just tough letting. It's not like he's in like 20, no, he's hitting 200. And so, yeah, you're not going to win a lot of ball games when your highest qualified hitter is hitting 200. Well, the reason that I jumped out of my seat anyway when Noah Schultz was officially called up is because this is all waiting to see what the future is for the White Sox. And yeah, I can't wait for, hey, Braden Montgomery.

I want to see the hitter. You're going to be waiting a while. I know, I know. But we knew that it was Noah Schultz, Hagen Smith, and Tanner McDougal. Those are the three that we keep hearing about, the future of the White Sox, the future starting rotation. So it's a blast for me to hear that he's come out. And yeah, for people who don't know much about him, he is left-handed.

He is 6-10. Oswego East. kid, 22, first round pick. He's considered the Sox's number two prospect, number 46 overall, and at least from MLB pipeline. He is the Sox top pitching prospect. What do you've been hearing about him, Russ? And like, how are you looking forward to the start? Yeah, I think the biggest thing over the years has been getting Noah Schultz healthy and pitching consistently. And when he's done that, it was what you've been seeing at AAA, right? The big time. fastball, nasty breaking stuff.

And with that frame, you always get excited about, oh, 6-10. You know what that could be, Marshall Harris. What could that turn into? And it's unfair. We do that to guys. It is unfair. It's very unfair. I was going to lead that up to say, it's unfair that we do that to guys.

There was also Garrett Crochet, Tall Lefty, Chris Sale, Tall, Tall, Lefty. It's a white Sox way. Yeah, it is. The big left-handers, Carlos Rodon. There you go. And so you see Noah Schultz and what that could be as he continues to fill out, continues to acclimate to big league hitters. And I think for me, the biggest thing with the White Sox and Noah Schultz, Hagen Smith, Tanner McDougal, developing young starting pitching is a great thing. Look at what some of these teams around the big league.

Look at what Seattle has been able to do because they develop their own starting pitching. Look at what the Miami Marlins for all they have done over the last decade or so. Like, they develop a lot of young talented starting pitching. The Chicago Cubs were able to benefit because of that. And so young controllable starting pitching is the most valued asset in Major League Baseball right now. Because pitching can be very expensive once you're talking about free agency. If you have young guys that you can develop into quality starters, everybody doesn't have to be an ace. Everybody doesn't have to be Paul Skeen's Cy Young Award winner.

But if you have four, five, six guys that you could say, hey, at some, point all of these guys are going to help our big league club you're doing something right no no i completely agree with that and i love positioning yourself to have forget about five or six but like eight nine ten guys like that because then when you need to go out and get yeah yeah the bats or you have injuries you have options and that's the whole thing with baseball now is the optionality i know we live in this world now where it's you either win the world series or you stink i know that's the general thought process. But one thing I love about the White Sox and their mediocrity

to save the least is the expectations are so low that you're just having a good season and making the playoffs, we can actually celebrate that. A lot of teams can't celebrate. The Cubs are not going to celebrate making the playoffs this year. And that's the difference between my mindset watching baseball

and your mindset watching baseball. Mark Grady is who I'm pointing to when I say that by the way. And I do get excited about Noah Schultz to see number one, can he just have have the command. And I just checked the forecast, guys. I didn't think the Ray's lineup was his biggest obstacle tonight. I thought it was Mother Nature, but now it looks like it's not going to rain until after eight. So that gives him a chance to get out here and throw four or five

innings without worrying about the rain. That was my biggest worry about tonight. Textor actually brings up a good question or a good point. I'm just going to read word for word. Maybe it's not in my best interest, but I'm going to. It says from the 773. MFers, the White Sox. What a way to start. The White Sox has developed young pitching in the last decade. They just keep trading them instead of building around them. And it's a good point. No lies were told.

I don't think we were saying that they didn't. Yeah. Right, right. I'm just saying in the recent couple of years, they, like, the biggest question for them this year was like they didn't have starting pitching. And so we're saying, yeah, like Chris Selle and Carl Sordaun. Garrett Crochet. Garrett Crochet. They were all guys they were able to.

develop, sure, but like this current iteration of the Chicago White Sox did not have that at the big league level. That's all we're saying. No, that's fair. And like, like to bring you up Garrett Crochet, like you had to. Yes. You had to. Because you were going nowhere with your current major league roster. What would the sense be having a Bugatti? You know that you know the mean. You know what you know the mean in your garage. It would and everything else was a trailer park. Right? Like, it made sense, it didn't make sense to have a valued asset like

Garrett Crochet on a roster that lost 121 games. Here's what I can say. Ryan's Dwarf-led organizations are all about the timeline right now, whether it's the Bulls or the White Sox, get on board with a certain timeline because otherwise you got mismatched. Oh, we got great pitching. Oh, we got this exciting process. No, no, you got to have all that stuff together and hopefully line it up for the

White Sox's sake when Justin Isfee is ready to start writing. checks. Put a pin in that, because I want to talk about that. When the White Sox hired Chris Gets, they also... The first time or when they promoted him? When they made him the general manager. Okay. The promotion.

They also did something that the Bulls seemed like they want to do, where they had to, he kept his manager instead of getting to hire his own guy that year. I don't like that. I didn't like that then. I don't like that now. That was he was one, well, half a season with Pedro Gryford. Yes. Yeah.

And the Bulls want to do the same thing. I just, I don't, from a sports standpoint, I just never understand why people think that's a good idea. Well, I know why. If you're going to start fresh, start fresh. Oh, yeah. I know why it's a good idea in their minds as far as the Bulls because they've been surrounded by people who weren't good at their jobs. And the one guy who is good at his job because he's a hall of face.

They're saying, that's the guy we need to make sure we hold on to him because he knows what he's doing. I like Billy Donovan a lot, man. I know we go from baseball to basketball. It's okay. I like Billy Donovan a lot, but it's not like... I remember the Western Conference Finals in which the Oklahoma City Thunder, led by Billy Donovan, had a three games to one lead. Well, that hasn't happened in Chicago. No, no, no.

I'm talking about what happened next. And they lost the next three years. Right. Right. So he is agreeing with you. And I agree, too. and the pushback is always like crazy. But hey, he did have talent. And I even heard Billy Donovan lamenting the fact to some degree that maybe, hey, maybe I should have told Demardo Rosen to take more threes,

even though like the mid-range game is what's going to put him in the Hall of Fame someday, if you believe that DeMarter Rosen is going to go in the Hall of Fame. But there was talent with Vouch and Alex Caruso and Zach Levine. There was no ISO defense and there was no rim protection. And those are the main issues with that iteration of the Chicago Bulls. But back to the White Sox, the difference is that Bulls team had a lot more talent than this White Sox team has right now. Yes. That is true.

Yes. Mr. Dorsey, I don't want us to get out of here without talking about the relay with Russ Dorsey. That is your podcast. What's been cooking on it? What is coming up on it? Yeah, a new episode out today. Yeah. Episode four.

What are we talking about today? We talked about sample size. So I gave people three different dates that they should consider in the baseball calendar. So it's one of them my birthday weekend, Memorial Day? Yes, it is. That's date number one. That's my date number one. And so for the other two dates, you have to listen to the relay with us.

I think I know all three, but I know I'm definitely here for number one. I'll give you a shot to guess. Okay. Save the listener right now. Okay, so first is Memorial Day weekend. Second is All-Star Break. Technically around there. It's July 1.

Okay. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. Also breaks slightly after. So it's two for two? It's two for two. Yeah. And then the third is the lead up to the trade deadline, because that's when you have to buy, sell, or a hold.

It is the actual date. Yeah. August 3rd this year. Because it changes. Again, I know the 3, because that's how I measure it out, too. Great minds, Russell Dorsey. I think the point for me laying out those dates is I've heard all the conversations around when you should hit the panic button.

And while it's not always satisfying to say, ah, right now this team is going to be guard. Like it doesn't really work that way. And teams don't look at themselves that way. Like from an executive standpoint, usually at Memorial Day, you're saying, okay, this is what we're good at. This is what we're not good at. And you start to put in your mind, all right, these are the things that we need to look for in terms of player acquisition.

So I talked about that, talked about some guys getting off to hot starch, Jordan Walker, Jose Soriano of the LA Angels having a really hot start the year and some other things. So we're cooking on the relay with Russ Dorsey. Make sure you subscribe. YouTube channel is cooking. Apple, Spotify, wherever you find your podcast. So we hitting and running. We hitting and running.

Oh, yeah, hit and run with Russ Dorsey. 9 a.m. to 1245, Russell will be filling in for Matt Spie on that day. I do believe Spiegel's doing some play-by-play or pre-game. Yeah, so he's doing the normal job of Zach Zayman because Zach Zayman's doing the normal role of Pat Hew's. I see how it's all coming together. Domino effect. That's our guy, Russ Dorsey. Russ, always a pleasure to have you in the studio.

Thank you, Russ, the MLB Insider for Yahoo Sports, MLB Network, and Friday night baseball on Apple TV. And as we said, go listen to it right now. Click on it right now. No, listen to us right now. You can listen. listen to the score on the Odyssey app and subscribe to Russ's YouTube channel and the other platforms. But don't listen right now. We're a podcast too.

Can I suggest something? I can also suggest that if you follow Russ Dorsey on Apple Podcasts as I do and hit that automatic downloads, when you get, when you hit the plane ride like we did, go into and from Circus or not even connect to the Wi-Fi and listen to my relay with Russ doorsy episodes. Oh, the automatic download. See, that's why. We did have free Wi-Fi on the plane, though, just to point that out.

There was. There was. Yeah, there was. Ray and I were in a weird spot for some reason. I don't know what was going on. But we'll solve that another day. When we return, we lost a head coach, Dave McGuinness. As people may know, died the former Arizona coach. He also spent some time with the Bears,

and oh, did he leave an interesting legacy here in Chicago that we will refresh people's memories on. and if you are a younger listener, you'll want to hear this story of debacle of the past with the Chicago Bears. It's next on Rahimi Harris and Grotie of the score. Rahimi Harris and Grody. We are family here.

Midday's 10 to 2 on 1043, The Score. Welcome back to Rahimi Harris and Grotie right here on 1043, The Score. Hanging out with my guy, Marshall Harris. What's up? It's been a good hang. It has been. I love it. Yeah.

No, it's been a very enjoyable Tuesdays. Tuesdays can be tricky, but because we were talking about this. Like Mondays you come in with a full head of steam because of all the stuff that went down over the weekend. And you've got to figure it out the rest of the week. But this has been a very good and fun show for which we thank all of our listeners and viewers, however you may be taking in Rahimi Harris and Grody. There was some sad news that hit yesterday that Dave, McGinnis died yesterday at the age of 74. Honestly, most people listening or a lot of people listening right now probably

remembered him as the Arizona head coach, that he had that job from 2000 until 2003. But famously, he was the Bears linebackers coach from 1986 to 1995. Now, typically, you're not going to hear a lot about a bear's linebackers coach and the impact that they may have made, but there was a, there was a situation, a very interesting situation. An incident? An incident with Dave McGinnis, a story that probably should be told, you know, and I think it probably has been told over the years, about every three or four years,

somehow, some way the Dave McGinnis debacle comes up. Let me ask you this, Grotene. What happens every three or four years? hopefully this changes with the Ben Johnson era. The Bears go to the Super Bowl? Unfortunately, no. Every three or four years, the Bears are looking for a coach, and maybe this is why every three or four years this story comes up.

Oh, that's a perfect lead in, Ray. That is a perfect lead in. It's so funny because you look at his Wikipedia page, and usually, like, with NFL guys, there's like a million different categories. For him, it's biography, head coaching record, Chicago Bears controversy, which is the following. for people who have no idea what we're talking about. This is what went down.

And quite frankly, I was not in the business at this time either. I was just a Bears fan who was like, what the hell is going on with my franchise? In 1999, while McGinnis was coaching for the Cardinals, not the head coach, obviously, he interviewed for the head coaching position with the Chicago Bears. On Friday, January 22nd, Bears team president, Michael of the McCaskies,

prematurely organized a news conference to announce McGuinness as the 12th head coach of the Chicago Bears. The news came as a surprise to McGinnis who had not reached terms on the contract. The Bears postponed the news conference and Bears' chairman Ed McCasky issued an apology to McGinnis, upset that the news had reached his family and friends,

Cardinals team owner Bill Bedwell, and head coach Vince Tobin. McGinnis declined the position with the bears and removed his name from consideration. Marshall, you have been around Chicago long enough to know how hard this hits. And the punchline that was the McCaskies at the time, the legend just grew even more deep. Can you imagine, first of all, if this happened during the social media era?

Oh, my God. That's exactly where my thought process goes. because look, every organization has moments of dysfunction, right, in which you question what they're doing. Like you said, you as a young fan, just like, what is going on? What? What? And it doesn't make sense, right?

But for an organization to call a press conference, announcing the hiring of a head coach, only for that head coach to be so just disgusted with what took place to say, I am actually withdrawing my name from consideration, for your head coaching job that we never actually came to terms with. You've got to have a contract and sign a contract before you can announce a head coach. That speaks to where this franchise was and hopefully where we'll never go again. Yeah, no, no, you're right.

And Ray said it right too. The man who ended up becoming the coach of the Bears then after that was one, Dick Duran ends up getting the job. And nobody knew who Dick Dioran was. Everybody was like fumbling trying to figure out who in a time when you couldn't get information. as quickly. There was no Wikipedia. There was no Wikipedia.

There was no social media. Who is Dick Geron? Now, Dick Geron did give us, by the way, Dick Geron, unfortunately, dead as well. Dick Geron did give us, did give us the year 2001. Wait, say the word dead again. Dead. B, D. I mean, it is what it is, right?

Let's just. I don't know that you need to say it quite the way that you said it. Oh, I'm sorry. That sounds heartless. I'm sorry. Sound a little. Okay. I know.

I didn't mean to, like, Dick Geron was a very. very like a gentleman thought of as very nice just not a successful head coach for the bears but he did give me and a lot of us one of the great bears regular seasons because that's all we have in a lot of cases was regular seasons one of the great regular seasons ever for the chicago bears was a 13 win season in 2001 um where you had the the back-to-back mike brown walk-offs you had keith trailer and ted washington and then guess what marshes the bears got manhandled by Hugh Douglas and the Philadelphia Eagles along the lakefront. And then it was like, oh, the bear, oh, you mean this isn't the return of the 85 bears? Was that the point where you said, I don't know if this is sustainable. Yes. And that's where the cynicism hit my, the jadedness that you have tried to get out of me. That is where it comes from a real place. To be clear, I'm not trying to take away your jaded.

feeling. I'm trying to help you let the Bears and Ben Johnson take away your jaded feeling, but your heart has to be open. It is. And I think you saw my heart open. Didn't you? Didn't I get better? It's, it's, it's, listen. It's better to give than to receive it. But either way, if you have a closed hand and you're not willing to give, you also, you can't receive. That's true. I've been hurt. I've been hurt before. Show us on the doll. We all have. Where you've been hurt. We'd be hurt tonight by the Philadelphia Phillies and Kalshwerber? I don't know, but I can't wait to sit down and watch baseball tonight because it's going to be fun on both

sides of town. Well, obviously the Cubs in Philly, but the socks will be right here in our beautiful city, and Noah Schultz will be out there. The one issue I have is because I have the Marquis app, I have the Citchesson app, and I can't do what I can do on my YouTube TV, which is what I did last night, by the way, because

it was on FS1, and put up the multi-view. So with FS1, I put the multi-view up here, I had the WMBA draft here. I was living large. Now tonight it's back to somebody's got to go on this laptop and somebody's got to go on the big screen. No doubt about it. Okay, well we'll all figure it out and

we'll all talk during the game which will be a blast as it usually is. When we return, I've seen both of them. I've seen them both. I've seen a man named Lawrence and a man named Matt they go by Spiegel and Holmes. Let's transition with them next on Rahimi Harrison Grotie on the score.