Rahimi, Harris & Grote Show - Transition: Big Ant gets in on the Caleb Williams Matcha craze

Episode Date: February 27, 2026

Leila Rahimi and Marshall Harris welcomed on Laurence Holmes and Anthony Herron for the daily transition segment.

The score. Before David even knew who Clay Harbor was. I had Clay Harbor on television. True or false clay? That's true. You can't make the child pick between parents, Marshall. That's the number one rule. He's more like a...

David's more like an uncle. We are the parents. I'm even more confused about our familial relation to everybody after hearing that a second time. Clay does what I say. That's all you need to know. Unbelievable. You guys are going to punch each other in the face at Snowball. Nah, no, he knows what's up.

I need a ruling on this. Ray Diaz, our producer, Tyler Bueberball, our producer. Will there be a punching in the face between the two emcees at Snowball? Oh, no, these guys love each other. It's not going to happen. Yeah, that's true love. And it doesn't need to be a punch. You guys are not cousins either if you're not egging somebody on.

You've done, like, Rahimi cousin test, you just failed. We have another wage you're going on for Marshall. With brothers, it's more about yoking than it is punching. Now, I could see Clay, yoking marshal up. type bet. Clay's just like to flex. I can see him yoking you up. You know what he'll do?

I can tell you right now what he's going to do. We're going to be on the stage or whatever, elevated. He's just over here gickling. And Clay is going to be next to me. And at some point he's going to give me that look like, yeah. I know Marshall heard what Tyler said. What did you tell him saying? He said they got a different bet going on for what's going to have with you on Saturday.

Yo! Clay asked us over under if you're going to stay out past midnight or not. I took the over. I took the over. Over. Over. Over. After party. Now, the after party is at Tao, and they give you like a ticket to the after party if you go to the event. Well, that was the hotel lobby. I'm going to go home, though, because I have to.

You have a game the next day. Tell them. Well, not the next day. It's on Monday, but still. Sounds like he has the game on Saturday. There we go. He's definitely going to be out there with his game. game tonight and tomorrow.

I'm basically retired. I'm, I'm, what does basically mean in that sense? It means, how do you throw basically in the middle

of that sentence? Here's what it means. It means when I'm out, I'm there, yes, but I'm not active. You got that? No, I'm at the end of the bench.

I'm the 15th guy. I'm a two-way G-league player. Guess what? I ain't getting in. Can I give a better, a better metaphor here? Marshall's life right now is similar to how the bears are acting about Tyson Bayesian. They aren't actively shopping him.

But if someone were to call them and say, hey, would you like this fourth round pick? And then the bears would go, yes, yes, we would. That's where Marshall's at. Who's Ben Johnson in this scenario? That's probably a more accurate depiction. An ex-girlfriend? Who's Caleb in this scenario? Oh, listen.

You're Caleb, you got the matcha. I do got the matto. You said you were going to get matcha. Here's why what he just said hits. Because Clay is Caleb when we go out. And I'm just Tyson-Bajant chilling. That's right. I'm just chilling.

That's fair. Like people like me, I have fans. But they know I'm not here for the things that Clay's here for. They think you've got a pure bloodline. Not here for the things that Clay is here for. You're not here to. Clay make those incredible plays at the end of games to win

all that stuff. He's the clay maker. He's the claymaker. And when a two-minute warning happens, I'm on the bitch. He's out here leading comebacks. I feel like Clay needs to call in the transition right now. There's a lot being thrown

at Clay Harbor at the moment. What's a certified trio? Clay Clay is here for different stuff than Marshall. Don't you all love transition? Your friends are going to be mad at you. They're not mad at me because also I am also, I'm great in the quarterback room.

That's right. So I'll help you review film. I'm trying to get you better. You're great on the dry race. Guess what? Guess what? You do that, yeah. If he wins and keeps winning and gets a ring,

I'm on the team. I also get a ring. I like it. You're being a good teammate. That's why I'm a wingman of the year, Hall of Famer. No, no waiting period for five years. They're not going to Belichick you?

You're getting in on the first ballot? I'm getting in on the first ballot. So you're not Tyson-Bajun. It's kind of like Chase Daniel? Yes. Hall of Famer at the bank. Clipboard warrior over here. I am a clipboard warrior.

I think I would rather be Case Keatom in this scenario. Yeah, I think you're, that's a better, yes. I'm not Case Keatim, I'm sorry, Chase Daniel. Wrong quote. Either way. Either way. Chase Daniel was a Hall of Famer at the bank. That's me.

Like I'm just over, if I were just over here, just making money, not caring, that's the best idea. Scratch what I said. I'm not those guys. I'm Joe Flacco. Because if I, if caught upon. Okay. You can put up 400 yards if you got to. Okay, see, now the game is coming back.

It's all coming back to you now. Watch yourself, young fella. I still got it. I still got it. Thank you to Connor O'Donnell, Jacob Stutz, and Max Curtis, and Cody Westerlin for not only your Twitch Manning, but your patience. Thanks to our guests, Chris Emma, Clay Harbor, and Tina Wynn. And at least two of those three guests would be giggling the entire time.

Actually, all three, because I've been out with Emma, we would all be laughing at this conversation. Oh, good. true. Very accurate conversation. I don't think any lies were told. And anyone who's been out with Marshall. Wow. We all know what the business is.

EST 2014 over here for me. I'm on, Marshall. We're going to home, baby. We're ready for you. Out here trying to hide in plain sight. I see what you're doing. He is out here trying to hide in plain sight. Yes.

You are out here trying to hide in plain sight. And you know how you really know he's trying to hide in plain sight? And you know how you really know he's trying to hide in plain sight? The projection. When Russ comes in here, the projection of what the, all the stuff that Russ gets. It's like, oh, Russ, you'd be out in these streets. You're out here spending dollars. And you're the projection.

I do not go on a European tour every year. I just stay my hotel at home. That's true. Okay. You know, I will say this. All of my friends in two different cities that I've lived in and other cities where I also have friends and they've hung out, all love Marshall. I try to get along.

Try to be good in the quarterback. It's very important. And it's not a nefarious thing. It is a complimentary thing because it's not very often that all of my friends are like, yeah, I really like him. I always tell people, if you got a problem with me, you might have a problem with yourself. This is very important to know. Yes, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

And I don't see like a boot on the foot. I don't see any crutches. This is like prime Marshall Harris form right now. I feel good. Ant for the first time along. Prime USDA Cup Marshall Harris right now. Yeah, he's not injured. He's ready to go. Wow.

Wow. That was a little extra in what you put on it. You didn't need to you need to salt bay it like that. Here's what I like about big aunt being here the last couple of days. Go ahead. I like that there's so much gravitas when ant says stuff

and then also who's going to check him. Right? So he gets to say stuff and you're I'm like, I've been dying to say that. And I brought you Reese's eggs. Yes. Thank you. Thank you.

I'm really excited. Thank you. Good. As you should be. Now, there's one left in here, so I made sure there was enough for me to have one. Loho brought me matcha, and I returned the favor with a Reese's egg. Oh, I love this. I love this.

That's a good vibe right there. Also, I like Caleb Lewis, but he doesn't get to be credited for bringing matcha to the world. I was curious about that. Much is been around. popular or not. He is of the age group that likes Macha the best and is on social media and it appears in a lot

of things with them. So he made you aware of the Macha craze? It was a term I'd heard before Caleb if somebody said, hey, eh, what's Macha? I'd have been like, I don't know, like a restaurant. I couldn't have told you what a Macha was. So what was the first time you had Macha then? Um,

what? An hour ago? Yeah. Oh, this is your first ever Masha. Yeah, literally the first Masha. So like the Caleb Williams thing was part of reason that Big Ant was interested and I said well you know I used to drink macha lemonade every day with working with Dan like I would that would be my little slight caffeine fix in the morning when I was doing the shift that you guys do and and I said well I can go get you one and aunt was like all right I'll try it and he seems to like it

I've told him that he doesn't have to drink it if he doesn't like when I was at physical therapy for my shoulders yesterday during the morning and it came up as a topic at the place I do PT at. And frankly, a lot of them were kind of hating on. I was, well, wait, isn't that the Caleb drink thing? And they were, oh, yeah, but it's green. And it kind of tastes like you're drinking your front yard. I said, well, I can't be that bad.

Can it into the popular thing? This is actually good. I think Caleb's drink, though, is matcha and espresso. I think that's what he's doing. What is this? This is just matcha. This tastes like lemonade. Macha tea lemonade.

Oh, good. You started him. You started him in. Correct. Yeah, you started them all the sweet first. Yeah. This is my curtain jerker. This version.

We've got to stop saying that. My version of Masha. What did I say? Ant. Ant, look, aunt. Ant. See? Big Ant.

What's up? He gets to say stuff. This is what it is. I was trying to avoid the curtain joker conversation today. This is my introduction into Macha, and I'm enjoying it. So now we just got to get you wired headphones, and then you could have one of them off, and then you have your whole like Caleb starter kit. I thought we went to the wireless.

We did. We did. But I will tell you, are the cell phone's going to get smaller now too? Is that what happens? They want to have the nostalgia of like us growing up. But what they don't understand is us growing up had its own drawbacks. But they want like the 90s in early 2000s vibe.

But it's not going to happen. They want to be us. What would you say was the biggest drawback in the 90s? I mean like. The disc man. The fact that. Information. Information was harder to find, let's be honest.

That's also true. You got to get skip production. Research was hell, you know. It never worked. Skip production was improved. It never worked. But yeah, that technology still didn't get you a whole lot. As of my friend's mom's 1974 world book encyclopedia, this source says this.

You know, like it was hard to find information. Flint noting. I don't know. I think it was not as great as people. It was good. We had it good in the non-social media ways, but. I will say that like often when things come up and we, as Bernie Mac would say, we family.

We're family, right? Things would come up and be like, oh man, I really wish I could go back to blah, blah, blah. And usually with people of color and black people in particular in America, you kind of don't want to go back too far. So for me, I would say there is a period, like 95. If you want to drop me back there, okay. So what's funny about that is I remember the Matrix. obviously set well into the future, but they picked the time period in which they felt

that humans were the happiest. And you notice when they picked, and I was like, they might have been on to something. They might have been on to something. I'm trying to think, what was the time period in the Matrix? The late 90s.

Oh, all right, yeah. Because the movie set well after nuclear wars and everything else. They're like, oh, we're picking where humans can kind of be okay with being where they are. Might have also been the cheapest for the budget because that was when the movie came out.

Yeah, That's what we start me a little bit. Yeah. They could have done the 80s, though. You know what I always wondered about that? It cost extra production, but they spent all in those 3D effects. I imagine there's a Reddit or subreddit about it. It bothered me, like, I wouldn't say it bothered me.

It intrigued me at the time when Neo goes to talk with the architect, and he's like, there are six. In the third one. Predcessors. And I was like, now I'm like, who were the predecessors? Because you could theoretically be like, oh, well, Martin Luther King or Jesus or like, who were all of the predecessors that were there? And I was like, that never got answered. And it always stuck in my head as an offshoot of something that could be why they haven't done prequels with that.

Maybe they will. Maybe. Now, the Wichoskis, right? Yes. Do they still do movies together? Yes. As the Wichoskis, not the Wichoski brothers. They both have transitioned, I believe.

Oh, both have. Okay. I thought maybe one hit. Yeah. So they still do movies, and they did that, like, Matrix reboot. Everyone was kind of like, oh, when they did it. And it's like, everything ended the way that it needed to end. You know, you have the whole full circle as Neo is the Christ-like figure with him literally laying out like on a cross. It's done.

But they didn't need it. They left the door open, though, when they dragged his body out like that. They did leave the door open. I was like, ah, that we'd get more of this? But like if you drop me in a 95. Like you at the stadium? Yes. Big E and Pock are still alive.

Like you're feeling good about like where hip hop is going at the moment? Because Nass said it and I thought he said it so brilliant. He's like after Biggie and Pock died, he's like it felt like people just like there were going to be agents dropping out of the sky and they were just going to arrest hip hop. And so then you go, you know. I argue one did. Facts. There's a lot of snitches.

Out here. A whole lot. Yep. But that's where I would feel, I don't know if I want to go too much further back than that. 95. What year did a Machiavelli come out? 96? Okay.

Was 96 or 95? No, I think it was later than that. 97? Because that was when, that was when Pac did. did the the disc track of all disc tracks again like he'd just gotten out and 96

okay no oh wait let me check wait not 96 come with me yeah hell Mary da da yeah

yeah yeah like hit him up came out and yeah we hit him up my goodness I remember the first time I heard hit him up

I was like I mean there's a there's a pretty good war words going on right now on the interwebs. Like, it is happening right now between T.I. and 50 cents. Yeah, what? I didn't know the beef of the... TIA has got existing issues

legally that he's dealing with. And I imagine that those are going to be re-revealed over the next couple days. But as it stands, 50 has been fairly quiet after King got after him. So far so good. It'll be interesting to see how he responds, but we know the 50 always responds. He always responds. He may take his time responding, but let me tell you something, when he does respond, well, no.

It won't be a secret. Resounding usually. Yeah, 96 was hit him up. And I remember I was, what, a junior in high school and just driving along. And we might have stood in line, me and my guy, we probably stood in line to go get the CD, got the CD, immediately got into my car and put it in and lost our flipping minds listening to hit him. up for the first time. Because it... And so we're what, 30 year anniversary of hit him up this year.

And that song... It was so potent. It took us to another plane for what we thought disrespect could be on a rap album. Yeah, because you're used to the Kumo D. L.L.Kool-J stuff, which by the way was pretty significant. It just had fewer curse words. But I mean, Mama said knock you out is a whole thing. It was like, there was fighting words.

Yeah. But they just level upon level that Pock took it to with Biggie and everybody associated with them. Then everyone going after Hammer, even third base like going after Hammer and all that stuff. By the way, the realest gangster of them all. Hammer. Yeah. Folks front. Hammer was a real dude.

Real dude. And people that will tell you about like Tupac gets shot and he's in the hospital. Hammer is driving around the hospital to make sure that people don't come and kill pot because Hammer had juice a lot of it and still does. We still got a lot of juice.

Y'all been messing with the wrong person sometimes. You know what I'm saying? A lot of folks find God that doesn't mean they still won't get you. I mean true words. True words have not been spoken. I don't believe in that one right there because that's the truth.

Yeah. It's like you can do like yes, It's the difference between being nice and being kind. Those are two very different things. No mistake it for weakness. Yes. Facts. These are facts.

Here's what we're going to do on the show today. We're going to talk with Jeremy Werner. The line to have a huge game against Michigan. We are going to discuss that huge game. Kaelin Kailer is going to be on the show because, as we predicted on the Spiego at home show, she would be the person that would end up with the report cards from the NFL. And the memo. And the memo.

The memo is better. So we're going to talk with her. Kenny Albert is going to be on the show. We will talk about the gold medal winning game and his call of the gold medal winning game. We also, unfortunately, have to stay in White Sox business because sometimes people don't know stuff. Like the crew that I'm with today didn't know that

I was in the room for that and that I used to cover the white socks. He was there. Oh, it is the anniversary yesterday, right? Yeah. I was there. I was. And so maybe now there's some context or some other Frank Thomas and White Sox stuff that is gone on.

Maybe you can now understand some of the feelings that Frank may have been harboring for a really long time. And apparently the socks harboring some feelings too. I am not going to put that evil on them, Rick. Bobby. Yeah, we need a white socks to be better. But we can discuss that part of it too. And it ends up in some very weird places on my own personal journey in this business and

working for this radio station. We'll go through all of that. But when we come back, since we have a lineman here, let's talk about lineman stuff. The Dan Rochard interview was really, really good with our buddy Taran Armstead. And so we're going to walk through it and we're going to get Ant's thoughts on it. That is coming up. Did you do the open today, Alex? All tanny left it for us?

Great. Tandy's got an open for us, which you'll hear, which is must listen to radio next here on the score. And Lawrence, this segment is brought to by Metro. Traffic and parking can really put a damper on a day. Enjoy your next family outing, stress-free with Metra. With reliable service and weekend passes, Metro is here to get you to the fun without wasting time or money.

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