Rates & Barrels - A KO in Cleveland & Another Injury Shuffle

Episode Date: August 7, 2023

Eno and DVR discuss the fisticuffs between José Ramírez and Tim Anderson in Cleveland over the weekend, and a slew of players swapping places on the IL with the return of Brandon Woodruff and Max Fried getting offset by injuries to Shane McClanahan and Carlos Rodón.  Rundown 0:59 José Ramírez and Tim Anderson Throw Hands in Cleveland 7:15 What is Going On with the White Sox? 12:29 Carlos Rodón Undergoing MRI on Hamstring 16:53 Can Rodón Rebound in 2024? 20:10 Shane McClanahan Returns To the IL 26:19 Brandon Woodruff Returns From the IL 31:46 Revisiting the Injury-Risk Pitchers in the Pick 100-200 Range 39:28 Potential Sleepers Post Trade Deadline 47:40 Max Fried's Excellent Return  50:16 Changes for Yonny Chirinos in Atlanta? 54:15 Another Big Slump From Jose Abreu Follow Eno on Twitter: @enosarris Follow DVR on Twitter: @DerekVanRiper e-mail: [e-mail] Subscribe to The Athletic at $2/month for the first year: theathletic.com/ratesandbarrels Get 20% OFF with our code RATES at calderalab.com/rates to unlock your youthful glow with Caldera + Lab! #teamcaldera Give ZBiotics a try for yourself. Go to zbiotics.com/rates to get 15% off your first order when you use RATES at checkout Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to Rates and Barrels, it's Monday, August 7th, Derek Van Ryper here with Eno Saris. On this episode we have a lot of news and notes to get to, tons of injury news, it's like the last wave of pitching injuries hopefully for the season, we've got a lot of news and notes to get to. Tons of injury news. It's like the last wave of pitching injuries, hopefully, for the season. Got a bunch of guys that came back, but a bunch of guys that went on the shelf. So we just traded some previously healthy pitchers for people to see injured ones. I guess that's better than not getting the injured guys back, but it's still disappointing. One really big punch over the weekend landed by Jose Ramirez.

We'll talk about that. Uri Perez is back. We've got Chase Silseth dealing in that Angels rotation, so we'll see if there's something going on there. And then a nice group of mailbag questions on a Mailbag Monday. I think we have to start with the melee between the Guardians and White Sox. Jose Ramirez throwing one of the most effective punches I have ever seen on a baseball field. Dropping Tim Anderson with one punch.

And I was reading a little bit about this. Jose Ramirez would train a little bit or do some boxing training years ago, like a decade ago. And the punch he threw on Tim Anderson was a right. ago like a decade ago and the punch he threw on tim anderson was a right and if jose ramirez hit him with a left which is what he wanted to do he may have been able to do even more damage that's uh yeah it was uh it was a crazy moment i mean the the uh i mean shades of rifneador right like i i couldn't tell right away what uh he was so mad about honestly because uh there's it's there's no like tim anderson is tagging him but when i i mean i tried to slow it down on the like you know whatever i was looking at on on twitter and um yeah i was like maybe he got

him in the face i don't know he stands over him a little bit, Tim Anderson over Jose Ramirez. But it's almost like it's not a bad thing in a way because he's opened his legs. So he hasn't put a leg down that Jose Ramirez is going to slide into. So he kind of stands around the base and tries to tag Jose Ramirez as he slides between his legs. It's not that bad. But I guess maybe he tagged him hard in the face and then I guess there's been long-term bad blood between them. There was something last night, the night before Tim Anderson had pushed Brian Rocchio's hand

off of the bag to get an out. And then apparently he also flicked off the entire Cleveland bench at one point. And then during that game, he was jawing at Arias for some reason. So this was, I think, a little bit less about what happened in the moment and a little bit of culmination of some long-term beef.

And even in the odor case you didn't quite have the same squaring up i mean this was like you know this was like turned into a boxing match i think the most hilarious part of it is how the umpire at first is going to break them up and then seize them square up and just is like nope just like just like a referee i'm not getting knocked out in this one yep you guys go at it this is not going to be good for me if i stand in here so he let it let it happen and i mean the ramirez punch too he was being like partially restrained and sort of pulled away i think my copec was kind of in the way human being and he still got that punch in which was pretty impressive so suspensions are almost certainly coming down.

I saw Jose Ramirez had a couple of steals on Sunday. He's playing really well right now, too. So the suspension would come at a pretty difficult time. And I think Tim Anderson, on top of a suspension, he looked concussed. He fell like he was concussed. He walked off the field like he was concussed. And I don't know if we've seen any updates yet outlining that, but I think that's part of the story here as well. His season, he's hit rock bottom. Tim Anderson has hit this unexpected rock bottom this year

as a result of what just happened in the field Saturday night. But leading up to that, we kept wondering, is he healthy? Is his shoulder still bothering him? He's got one home run this season. That's part of this stretch since the start of July where he's hit 281 with a 325 OBP. That's a little better than where he was, but a 351 slug. So you could look at this as a lost season for Tim Anderson.

I think there are a lot of questions about what's going to happen this winter. Is he going to finish the contract he's got with the White Sox? Is he going to get traded somewhere else? And can he bounce back? Those are all questions we've started to tackle on various episodes over the course of this season. But it doesn't seem like things could get any worse for this guy. He's had a miserable 2023 season.

And now he's probably going to miss more time. Yeah, I wonder. There's weird other news about the White Sox coming in today about Kenyon Middleton making some comments to ESPN. Here's what he said. He said, we came in with no rules. I don't know how you police the culture if there are no rules or guidelines to follow because everyone is doing their own thing.

Like, how do you say anything about it? Because there are no rules. You have rookies sleeping in the bullpen during the game um so there's obviously some sort of long-term white socks culture that somehow feeds into it you know the reason i brought it up is because i just wonder you know how aggressive or how like how by the book how by the rules are they going to be on this concussion thing i'd like do you think he went into concussion protocol you know or uh is that it was just like oh boys we boys they fought you know yeah i took a good one and you know and he's back out there as soon as the suspension's over. So we've just seen with Anthony Rizzo

that it's still possible in today's baseball where there are supposed to be rules about how you deal with a concussion that teams don't necessarily either catch every symptom or players don't report every symptom. People can fall between the tracks. Anthony Rizzo is now on the IL for a concussion he got months ago. Yeah, it happened in May.

Late May, he had a collision with Fernando Tatis Jr. And he has not played well in the stretch since then. It's really the concussion is at least an explanation for what happened to Anthony Rizzo. Why did he fall off so much? And I think Rizzo came out and said he didn't think this was organizational failure in some combination of words. That was the gist of what I got from his camp. But if you're the Yankees, you're still kind of wondering, wait, why did we miss this? How did we miss this?

This was a pretty big gaffe for their organization. Now, I think the thing about the White Sox that's really interesting is that we know they've got a first-year manager, Pedro Grifo, first-year manager. Keenan Middleton did not play for the White Sox last year but he had heard a lot of the same things were happening under Tony La Russa so there's this organizational sort of problem which probably has something to do with expectations that have been in the clubhouse for a few years like some of the holdover players right Jose Abreu's gone but you think about the core of Abreu and Anderson, Yolan Mankata, Luis Robert, the players

that have been there for a while, they would also have something to do with the internal culture of the club, and it's really surprising. Maybe even more than a first-year manager. Yeah. Yeah, it seems like it's more than that. It seems, this seems

like the kind of story that usually is reported about the Angels. Right. This is JV stuff from the White Sox. That's it's really disappointing. It sort of explains like, well, why is this organization with this talent in that division getting such poor results? What's things like this? It's players sleeping through games in the bullpen.

It's missing missing meetings, all these things that have come out. Is there any corollary here to the Yankees? I mean, the Yankees keep winning and making the postseason, and they're always great teams. Are they underperforming how great they are, though? Should they have won it all by now? Is this team, at least this year underperforming

expectations i mean that has to be a yes that last one i don't know anyway it's he the rizzo is clear that he does not blame the yankees however i am not sure that you know i can't make my own decision just because you know i think communication is key and communication is the biggest thing that a manager can bring to the table. And the best thing that Bob Melvin ever did for all those A's teams was keep open lines of communication with every player about their current role, about their future role, about where they can be and what they have to do to get there. And that's how he managed to do all those A's teams where everybody was in platoons and doing this and doing that and, you you know up and down and veterans that

were coming in there and having to take lesser roles and stuff like that melvin was just a great communicator and i think i think that's true of bocce too like he's a calm person that tells you how it is and you know everybody understands where they stand with bruce bocce so i just wonder if uh you know you hear stuff about like aaron hicks saying i didn't know you know i don't know what my what i'm supposed to do i didn't know what my role was that's weird you know and then you put this rizzo thing in there and you and you just sort of like look at a team that doesn't seem to and then the i mean the herman thing is is crazy too i mean just the fact that it got to this point with domingo herman who must be dealing with something you know in terms of an addiction

issue because there was alcohol involved in his domestic violence case so you have a guy who already had a domestic violence case with alcohol involved i'm sure this wasn't the first time that domingo herman was drunk in the clubhouse you know i mean i don't have reporting on that i'm just saying you know there's like you know you have an ongoing issue and then this thing happens and then the response is like you know sweat it out in the sauna and stuff it's like that seemed really weird as far as what what are the people in the room what are the adults in the room the the health care professionals around this club actually doing if that's the response to that situation a little bit of machismo runs through these things sure you know aaron hicks

just play better domingo just go sweat it out rizzle you got a hair you got a headache whatever i mean that's that's what it certainly seems like from the outside looking in. Yeah, this is not based on a lot of reporting, but I had heard some of those details about the fight before, the Herman stuff before it came out. And I was like, this is crazy that this could happen in a major league clubhouse. The Yankees underperforming expectations. Okay, well, whose expectations, right? The expectations of projection systems or the expectations of fans you know one of those is grounded in more reality than the other and yeah they've underperformed fan expectations for sure that's understandable given what is expected

from the yankees each and every year we've also talked over the years about the limitations of projections with older players how older player projections are more likely to lead us astray they're more likely to be overly optimistic because injuries and massive decline in performance is more likely to occur for players that are older you did not yeah you did not project josh don for this season. Yeah, I think it's... But it was totally possible. It was totally possible. The tricky thing is that you've got a combination of a lot of things that have gone wrong there.

Carlos Rodon was a big free agent addition, and it just has not worked out from a health perspective. How many days during the regular season do you think Carlos Rodon has been 100% healthy this year he's made six starts he's got an era over seven like this isn't close to the guy that we've seen the last two seasons with the Giants and the White Sox I I feel feel awful that he's hurt again he's gonna have an MRI on his hamstring it it's a lost season and it's year one of a long-term deal. I wondered even before this hamstring injury this weekend, if we reached a point where the Yankees were mathematically eliminated

from the postseason with a couple weeks to play, if shutting Rodon down early might have been something on their roadmap just to let him reset and try to go into 2024 with a clean bill of health, because this has just been miserable. So you take something like that, you pair it with judge's toe injury. Those were two massive hits for a team that probably had a thinner margin for error than we're accustomed to. Yeah. And then if you add it all up, you're right that the difference between fan expectation and projection expectation does exist because they're a 518 team in terms of winning percentage. They're only projected to be a 533 team. So if you look at rest of season projections, they're no longer in the top 10.

season projections they're no longer in the top 10 um and so there has been a recalibration of expectations from a numbers standpoint uh just looking at the talent that's on the field and some of that comes i think from in-season adjustments to predictions for rodone and as well as louis severino uh who i have to believe is also a health reason. I look at the VLO for Rodon as that's an easy place for me to find some issues, but end of last season he was 94-96, and this season he's been 94-96. James Paxton told me that I don't know why the VLO on a breaking ball is not back, so now I'm looking at breaking ball Velo as a proxy for health too. And Carlos Rodon's breaking ball this year has been in every start.

The worst start was 84-8. In the last three starts, it's been 86 basically. And that's basically where it was last year. So I don't see a reason for radon in the numbers i don't see it in the round numbers but in the results obviously it's there um severino you know a slightly different story uh because you know i don't think the velo numbers tell the same story uh necessarily his uh sliders is down a little bit this year. But again, actually, somewhat similar.

The Velo's there. He's just not healthy somehow. Is it in the command? Maybe it's showing in poor command. Neither one of these guys is really I would say like a 60 command guy. So, in any case, those two are some of the the biggest pitching busts of the year yeah and you factor in Nestor Cortez missing a lot of time this year with injury he's important to them he's still good when he got back had their third best pitching projection going into the season by war so if you take half a season away from him on top of the Rodon problems and Severino problems. It's easy to see why the pitching's been so bad.

We talked a lot about how this team has a good supporting cast with Aaron Judge, but not necessarily a great supporting cast with him. I think that's been kind of- They had to find Jake Bowers on the waiver wire heap. So it wasn't, you know, that's not the greatest supporting cast if you're still out there scrounging around the waiver wires. And the other teams deal with their share of injuries. This just seemed like the combination of injuries the Yankees had happened to a group of players that they just did not have the means to replace.

You know, the injury bug bit the exact right group of players for them to fall well short of expectations so far. What does this mean for Rodan long-term? Thinking about his past injuries before these two good seasons and now tacking this on in 2023, where do you think your expectations are going to be for the future with him? Do you think we can get something close to the results of 2022 again over even 150 innings i mean i think he's one of those players you would never project for whatever your full workload number is you're taking 20 or 25 off of that given all the stuff that rodan's had to deal with over the course of his career yeah it's tough because he's been so good when he's been in you know recently at least um and

you could say hey what if he just gave you 2021 this year? You could have said that when you were drafting him and been like, hey, I'm just hoping to get 130 innings of excellent baseball from Carlos Rodon. Even if he's hurt some and he's out some, when he's in, he'll be good, and I don't care. So next year you could say, hey, you know, he's so cheap. You know, if I just get 100 innings from him, the reality of the situation is like, you know, now it's beginning to look like 100 or 130 is a good outcome from him and that the medium outcome might be below 100.

I mean, we have, I know 2020 is a short season, but he basically missed all of that. You got 2019 where he had 34 innings pitched. 2017, 69 innings pitched. I don't know. What's the over-under on innings pitched for Carlos Rodon next season? I think it might be like 99. I was going to go a little higher.

I was going to go more like 140. I was going to shoot for 2021. 140, he's done twice in his career. Yeah. I think that's too aggressive. If you do 120, he's done 120 five times in his career. Alright, so let's go with 120.

You go to 120. There's so many leagues where the shape of that 120 really matters. You know, like... Holding injured players is brutal. Not having guys at the end of the season and head you know like well yeah because holding holding injured players is brutal and yeah not having guys at the end of the season and head to head so that's always part of the problem i i think if you if you begin with draft and hold and nfbc style leagues you're probably going to see carlos rodon fall right around that pick 150 mark every year that's

where the injured talented pitchers go it's where Clayton Kershaw's lived for a few seasons it seems it's where Rodon was I think coming off of his 2021 season so I think he's going right back in that range again where you say hey if this if this works, I'm getting ace ratios and strikeout rate over a partial season. Maybe it's three quarters of a season if it all works well, and it's two thirds of a season is my baseline expectation. Maybe that's fair value. We know you can't have a roster full of guys like that because you'll end up in a situation like the 2023 Yankees where you're chasing the waiver wire. You're chasing replacement level guys.

Okay, so we fortunately will have two more months to see what happens before having to make decisions on this, but I could actually see myself with a clean bill of health through the winter being interested in a bounce back. I can't look at Rodan and say, talent's gone, just like that, because this is part of the package. This has been who he's been for a long time. I think this is even harder to decide on right now when you look at Shane McClanahan, who's down with forearm tightness right now. You think about McClanahan and his recent injury history. Earlier this year this year was back tightness he had a back issue that was similar to that back in 2021 he had that shoulder impingement that put him on the il late last season right well remember him warming up in the bullpen and not going

starting that game and straight off yeah looked real bad and unfortunately it wasn't you go further back in the history he did tommy john all the way back in 2016 but he's seven years removed from that so i don't know if if that's as much of a concern for mclanahan really hard throws a hard breaking ball i think he's just you know in that upper end of of injury risk um due to the his arsenal as much as anything but he also doesn't have the disastrous seasons on his resume as rodone is that why you're thinking it's harder like you you could definitely talk yourself into 150 innings as the over-under for him next year unless it's unless it's tj it's harder for the sake that you're

talking about a guy that might go near the first round yeah there's there's a much higher price what if he doesn't pitch anymore this year though though? Don't you think he'd given you, I don't know if he's given you first round value. Actually, we can figure this out. Shane McClanahan, if he didn't pitch again this year, but went through a normal winter and looked like he was going to be ready for opening day and not have any restrictions to start next season,

I think he'd probably be a third rounder going into next season. Something in that pick 35 to 45 range? Yeah, I just think people love the talent, rightfully so. And it might start lower and creep up with all the reports of good news. Shane McClanahan right now has earned

$12 and is the 17th best pitcher. That number seems low for the 17th best pitcher. But the earned value you mean? Yeah. Doesn't that seem light? Yeah. But I suppose he's already losing innings on the people ahead of him.

Yeah. Cole is at $27. He's 15th on the Roto-Wire calculation, so it's the right ballpark. 15th, 17th. But it's going to get worse if he doesn't pitch anymore. But he still will have returned good value. I mean, there's worse situations for Don Severino. Who are the first rounders, though?

Cole is number one. Strider. Cole and Strider. Your two easy first round pitchers right now are those two. And they made it. Was Woodruff a turn in the second? Woodruff, if I remember correctly, was 2-3 turn. I'll pull it up here in just a second.

And then Corbin Burns, I think, was still a back of the first rounder in some drafts, but not all drafts. He's returning 12th. He's 12th. So those first three picks were okay ones. Garrett Cole just keeps doing Garrett Cole stuff. But Shane, what was Shane? A second rounder? I think he was a second rounder.

I think Shane McClanahan was consistently ahead of Woodruff. Again, this is off memory. I'm pulling up the report here. I've got an ADP here on the auction calculator, but I don't trust those. Love the auction calculator. Don't trust the ADP because I always forget when it takes the

snapshot and how often it actually gets adjusted. Where did you think McClanahan was going? What was your memory on this one? Mid-second. I'm going to look at March drafts only. I should have this saved.

It should be just nailed to the wall. McClanahan, great podcasting, great podcasting. McClanahan had an ADP of 39 in March across all formats. It's a little later than I remembered. I thought he was in the second round. Maybe for some of the main boards that were circulating. Well, so he's not going to go up from there. But how do you feel about a return of $12 and 115 innings on a third-round pitcher?

I don't feel that bad. You're disappointed, but you're not blaming him for failure within the league. Here's how this went down. Shohei Otani being both, you can't use him as both on FBC. He was the first pitcher, Eric quotes, off the board, if you want to count him as that. It was Cole first.

This is just the last week of March. Cole was the first pitcher off the board, kind of end of round one. Corbin Burns was right there with them. I think you're very happy with Cole, especially in the head-to-head, you preferred Cole to Burns. You were right. You've received more value so far.

Strider was the next pitcher off the board, kind of in the middle of round two. DeGrom, which unfortunately was a big injury bust. Sandy Alcantara. How happy are you with Sandy right now? If you took Sandy up there in the late part of round two. Yeah, Sandy, I don't know what he has returned. He's the biggest healthy bust in baseball this year, I feel like.

Yeah, because the ERA, there's two reasons. The ERA has been up above four. The whip's been just around 1.2 cost you money four wins this cost you seven dollars by the auction calculator 99th best pitcher if you'd had clark schmidt who would have done better that's unbelievable to me i didn't there's there's sometimes you're just in the right place at the right time and not having Sandy Alcantara was more about that for me in the snake drafts I was in this year. I wasn't telling people to avoid him.

I just thought, eh, not for me, that spot. I'll take someone else. I'll do something else here. Aaron Nola, Shane McClanahan, Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander. That rounded out the top 10 pitchers. That was, again, counting Shohei Otani as part of that. If you don't count Otani, Brandon Woodruff creeps in. Most of those are good deals. I mean, Woodruff missed a ton of time. He just came back. So, hey, since we're talking about Woodruff,

the line was pretty good for his first start back. 9Ks, just two earned runs, five innings pitched, no walks through 85 pitches. Ended up taking a loss because the Brewers couldn't score any runs. But how did you feel about the arsenal? How did it look compared to typical Woodruff numbers and what we saw at the very beginning of the season before that nearly four-month-long absence? I thought it looked good.

I thought he was near dominant, and. It wasn't a perfect line, but nine strikeouts, zero walks, and five innings. I know it was also Pittsburgh, and two homers is notlo, let's give him one more start. It's also sitting 95.6 is down from where he was but it's also pretty good still. So I don't know I'm not ringing the alarm bells yet. I'm way in on this as being a good first start back, and it's important for the Brewers, but it's very important. If you weighed this out from a fantasy perspective,

that's a long time with no IL spots. If you had IL spots, that wasn't as big of a deal. I think you're pretty excited about what you saw overall. I think the hardest thing is going to be, like, what if he's okay for a little bit, and the Velo thing ends up being a little prescient and it's he's not great it's like i have him in uh auto new uh in the experts league where there's a price attached to him right so you're in this keeper league and brand woodruff is a 31 dollar pitcher for me there right there's going to

be a a tough decision waiting for me at the end of the season where do I want him at a there's an automatic increase in the auto news. Do I want him at $33 given what he's done? And I think if the velo comes up a little bit, I think I might keep him

because I tend towards keeping expensive guys when my team is in contention um and you know hoping that you know i've got gossman glass now woodruff at the top of that rotation with kirby it's like well that this could be an amazing rotation i'm you know right now in third so it's like yeah i think i would keep woodruff for 33 but if it's if he doesn't get the velo back and the answers aren't as good and the results aren't as good uh going forward i may not so i think he's still you know a tough decision in some keeper leagues yeah i think in leagues with salary components especially you're going to see a good number of teams willing to throw brandon woodruff back

as a non-keeper and we'll see what happens with that price once he's back up in drafts here in 2024 but the smoke that's gathering is not great i mean every there's a couple of like near escapes where you're like well you can't feel your fingertips and like oh that's thoracic outlet you're in trouble and then it ends up being Ray Nodes or something and he comes back and he's fine. It's like there's gathering smoke around Brandon Woodruff. There's other people that might be... I know there's people who have a bigger distaste for injury risk and would say

they're already totally out on it. could be because if you play the the workload game with brandon woodruff i mean look back at his career last year 153 and a third 179 and a third the year before that 121 convinced me that he could be a horse you know yeah but if you look back further there there's lower numbers yeah it's just it's not it's not quite what you'd expect to see. When you, in your mind, you're like, oh, there's got to be at least one 200-inning season in there. No, there's not. There's only two above 150.

So that's going to be tough. But I think these next couple months with a lot of these injured guys, that will reveal a ton about our expectations for the future. My one thing that I would say just like you know generally and when it comes to uh pitching strategy and stuff is that you can um you know focus on bulk in the middle innings and you know i think i did that in my main event with uh jordan montgomery uh jameson tyon and i forget who else, but these sort of maybe a Michael Lorenzen type or something where you're like, oh, well, he'll at least give me 120 innings. He's been pretty healthy. He hasn't given up a ton

of innings. He hasn't done a ton of innings in the past, but he's coming off a good season as a starter. I don't know. Take Lorenzen's name out, but you get that sort of Tyon who was the other name I said? Montgomery. Take Lorenzen's name out, but you get that sort of tie-on. What was the other name I said? Montgomery. Montgomery, right? Innings eater, kind of boring. You can still get in trouble there.

I mean, for every Jordan Montgomery, there's a Jameson tie on, you know? So, uh, you know, I would just say that I like to mix in injury risk with other types of risk and have a kind of a diverse approach to risk in my, in my rotations. Yeah. I'm looking through the ADP report, just the late pitchers and thinking about the players I liked and what it hasn't been. It's been a really strange liked. It hasn't been, it's been a really strange year. It hasn't been this group of, oh, these were the obvious late round guys that popped. It didn't really play out that year. I mean, even going back to the injury risk kind of SP3 range,

which in ADP terms is after pick 100 and usually before pick 160 or so. Chris Sale didn't look great at first, started to look better. He got hurt again. So you haven't really been thrilled if you picked him around pick 125, having to deal with the absences and the ups and downs

of having him on your roster. Kershaw was the earliest of that group by the end of March. At least his health was consistent for the first half of the season. Then he got hurt, and we'll see what happens the rest of March. At least his health was consistent for the first half of the season. Then he got hurt, and we'll see what happens the rest of the year. But you're going back from, yeah, I was a genius for being on Kershaw,

to, oh, wait, that's why I got the discount on Kershaw. There it is. There's the other shoe. You're taking your medicine now in that regard. You look at other guys that popped in that range though. Jesus Lizardo, that was a big hit. He was getting the injury discount. Didn't have the old age discount tacked on, of course,

being a younger starter, but there were a lot of questions about whether or not Lizardo could just stay healthy as a big league starter over a full season. He's gone a long way over the past calendar year plus now of of suggesting that he might be able to do that i liked freddie peralta in this range he stayed healthy the velo is good we've talked about him maybe being capable of a big second half it needs to happen for him to really make value in this range dustin may injury discount oops that didn't work out unfortunately so it was was a bit of a minefield in this range

where you could make a lot of mistakes. Tyler Glasnow also went in this range. Are you happy with Tyler Glasnow in leagues where you didn't have an IL spot around pick 150? I've been thinking about this a lot because I did buy a fair amount of Glasnow shares. In fact, I do want to point out there's basically two months left still so you know if he is healthy for the next two months and you know gets up to 120 125 innings that's kind of where i had the over under if i get 125 innings of a three ERA this in this offensive environment with that 35% strikeout rate, then, uh, I'm going to be a hundred percent fine with it. Um, so there is a little bit of TBD on

this, but you know, another way I look at it is I think that, you know, I think that the offensive environment has taken guys that might have, you know, had okay seasons and been productive and maybe stratified it to where the guys who are struggling have six and seven year raise. You know what I mean? There's something about the pitch clock and when things are going downhill, I feel like pitchers can't stop it anymore. And I feel like also with the health issues continuing,

teams sometimes are just leaving people out there to die on the mound. I mean, you know, that Ben Lively situation was awful, you know, where they just let him give up like 18 runs or something and then put him on the IL at the end of the game because they didn't want to, you know,'s been this weird stratification where the deep sleepers and i'm going deeper than what you're talking about even um it's been harder to hit on them so for example i have uh my deep i have 10 deep sleeper pitchers right and i did if i was more embarrassed about this i wouldn't uh i wouldn't bring it up but uh i did i did okay i think i'm this is 400 plus adp so these are deep ones braxton gar, I would call that a hit so far. Ken Waldachuk, that's a swing and a miss. Mitch Keller, it hasn't been as great recently, but in some, I think you'd still take it.

Tyler Magel, that's a miss. Kyle Gibson, I think, I don't know actually where to put him. He's been useful in deeper leagues, I guess I'd say. Probably a slight hit because 11 wins is a big deal. Ratios aren't great, but bulk with Ks, 117 Ks and 11 wins in a deeper league is all right. Yeah. Then when 500 plus, Matt Brash. I mean, not as a starter, but if you have him on your team, you're probably getting some actual value out of him.

DL Hall. That's been an injury thing brian abreu didn't become a starter so there's a lot of misses shintaro funjami big big big miss and then i end with tyler wells who i think even with uh what's happening right now i think you have to call a hit at 500 ap you have to have a very deep league to even go to 500 you know so um i would say that's a that's a what my point is that's about you know i i still am proud of it because i think you know that's like a 40 hit rate uh on on uh pitching prospects that you could take 400 plus so i'll take that i think that's it maybe it's a little bit worse than average for me but it's it's okay but i also have a hitter sleepers uh from that same time uh done in the same format 10 guys and uh they're all hits i mean max kepler at 400 plus adp i don't think you hate it but

maybe it's not the best but condolario is on that list jd davis is on this list jp crawford is having the season of his career michael massey might be a miss but he's turning around adam frazier was a hit like have you looked at his numbers uh nolan jones is it took a while to get going but i think he's a hit and then a miss here with stone garrett and maybe trevor larnac and josh smith but that's already you're talking 680p when you're talking about those guys. I would say that my hitter list actually did better relative to my pitching list

and I wonder if that is because of the pro offense rule changes. The pitch clock, stealing the bases, everything. The ball's even flying a little better. Yeah, I mean, it definitely could be a part of that.

And thinking about where the top-end pitchers came from this year, seeing that many of those starters were drafted early or reasonably early. I guess the biggest exceptions were Nathan Evaldi at a discount just outside the top 200. He's been hurt. That was a big tout of mine, yeah. Big hit, though, because you got $23 worth of value so far. He's been like a top five starter up to this point.

He'll thaw if he's not healthy enough to pitch. Zach Eflin was one of the big late hits. If you were in on Eflin and your reason was, the Rays signed him to a multi-year deal, the reason doesn't matter. If you were in, you were right. He's a pretty good multiple pitches on command guy. Right.

And so on the waiver episode on Friday, we were talking about Zach Littell a little bit, and he has some of those characteristics, right? Multiple breaking balls. The Rays have a clear type. Decent command. Sometimes it takes a little time for it to all come together, but sometimes it's also just an opportunity.

A starter pitcher is 100%. There's definitely value in a guy that's been struggling but has pitches and can put them together. That's definitely something that I look for in pitching sleepers. I was trying to make a point on the Friday show to say that it's not just the rays that do this, that the rays get a lot of credit for doing it, but plenty of other teams find a picture that some other team was using in a

different role. And they changed some things. They bring back pitches. They add something. Do you think, do you think there's anyone from this deadline that people are not really talking about that could actually, with a fresh start

emerge to be a little more interesting than we thought i mean like bailey falter was sort of interesting in philadelphia and getting more runway getting a chance in pittsburgh i'm sort of curious to see what adjustments he can make he's going to get more chances to start there at least in the short term, than he would have without the trade. He was stuck at AAA. He wasn't going to get another chance anytime soon for the Phillies. He's the guy that stuck out to me.

Weathers may have a chance, but I actually think that Weathers' future, Ryan Weathers, in Miami may be in the pen because we can see him maxing out at 97 and he doesn't have great shape on his fastball so one way to you know outstuff a bad shape on your fastball is to just throw it harder and harder you know so if he's at 107 what if you just keep him to one inning you can get him up to 108

109 you know like does he have that in there um and uh that could be a way to you know make him a sweeper guy give him a 90 mile an hour cutter and have a 97 mile an hour fastball and who cares if it's not the best shape i mean this has this has worked for them with Jesus Lizardo. And maybe that even works as a starter. If they can just get the velo out of him like they did with Lizardo. Who else was traded at the deadline that we should be thinking about? Bailey Falter. We'll start with him.

I'll pull up a couple more names. Do you think there's anything interesting with him that the Pirates can tweak? Yeah. more names do you think there's anything interesting with him the pirates can can tweak yeah i mean uh he's got a really interesting um release and you know i think he's uh not someone that is uh he's super obvious in terms of um you know being able to pick him up i think he at least works uh you know when you haven't seen him very often um the model always like kind of liked his change up but he told me that the model was wrong and then his change up sucks so sourced picture himself yeah exactly so um i don't know uh i don't know what the plan is with him.

But again, two at least league average breaking balls. And there's always role change and stuff like that that can make him more useful or coke something out of him. But good command. And that's step one of the Eflin process. The other guy that I think was popular from the weekend in some more competitive leagues was Cole Reagans, getting a chance in Kansas City.

So what do you see in that arsenal? Kansas City's track record getting pitching to reach its full potential in recent years has been poor, but do they have something to work with the Reagans? Yeah, I think so um because uh you know we've seen as a velo boost for reagan's uh and that happened even before the trade so they don't have to they don't have to coax that out of him you know uh then a little bit it's a little bit um related to uh some role change like you. He throws harder in shorter stints. It's kind of hard to tell.

But even in his last game, because in his last game he pitched five innings or six innings, 94-9. And last year he was 91-92. So the velo is sticking around I think that's good news and I think there's enough there in fact Cole Reagans was one of my favorite pickups

this past pickup period I know that I'm going to be nervous throwing him against Boston get a twice this week I see a league average fastball I know that I'm going to be nervous throwing him against Boston. Get a twice this week. I see a league average fastball, an above league average cutter,

above league average curve, and maybe a good enough change that you're like, hey, this is four pitches, and you can just mix it up and decent command. I like Ruggins. I picked him up in a bunch of leagues. Yeah, he kind of made the rundown on Friday for having the two starts. And Chase Silseth was not discussed on Friday. And he was picked up in a few places where available because he had 12 Ks against the Mariners on Sunday. Only four earned runs allowed over his last three starts since rejoining that rotation in Anaheim after the All-Star break.

A 26-3 strikeout-to-walk ratio during that span. That was just 17 and two-thirds innings. That was against the Mariners, Atlanta on the road, and I think the Yankees without Judge. But not an easy stretch of schedule whatsoever. And certainly there's opportunity for Stilson if he continues to pitch well.

It seems like he's made some adjustments having spent some time in the bullpen, going to the AAA. It just doesn't look like the exact same guy that we saw debut a season ago. No, he has an entirely new breaking ball, I believe. And I'm trying to see what Stuff break than it did in the early season. And it also doesn't go as hard in terms of the average slider velo. He's down to 81, 82, where he was more 83 83 85 early in the season uh that's a that's a definite trade-off uh because

you know velo on breaking balls is super important um and so you know it's actually kind of funny stuff plus liked the slider a little bit before and it likes a little bit now so it actually hasn't uh changed that much in some because what he gave up in velo he gained in movement um you know this model has never really liked his splitter but i think that uh that's something that it just may be missing something because uh you've got good grades on the splitter in terms of scouting grades and in terms of what people think of chase siltha siltha you know right isn't? And that's his pitch. Yeah, the slider's getting the best results right now.

Opposing hitters are hitting 097 against it and slugging 161. But between the slider and the splitter, he's got two pitches that get a good number of whiffs, and he gets some whiffs with pretty much everything he throws, but he's become a guy that uses a deeper arsenal. It's five pitches that he's using at least 10 of the time right now between the four seamer the sinker the cutter the splitter

and the slider that's a lot of ways to attack hitters and a splitter you know with a 182 average or 364 slugging i mean that's not great um but yeah put in the context of other pitches, I feel like this is a useful one. I would say that I just... I might like raggins just a little bit more. Just an 80-mile-an-hour breaking ball just smells more like a curve to me, not necessarily a slider. And I kind of feel... I don't know why I like Dragons a little bit better.

I like Dragons a little bit better, but I think they're both on the cusp, especially if you're talking about a 12-team league. They are definitely match-ups plays, and neither of them, I think, is you have to pick them up. I don't think they're in a 12-team, but in a 15-team league, they're match-ups plus in a 12-team, but in a 15-team league, they're matchups plus. Maybe matchups plus put on your bench type thing. Yeah, I think that's the right way to look at them right now, but I would not be discouraged by what we saw upon arrival last year

from Silseth for all the reasons we talked about. This is a different look and good velo on top of all that, too. We had another player return. We talked about Brandon Woodruff a little bit earlier. Max Fried came back on Friday. Six scoreless, eight Ks, no walks, got the win. It was really, really good. You think about the things that could go wrong for Atlanta come postseason.

For me, it would be starting pitching doesn't hold up or the bullpens running on fumes. They've done a good job adding depth and having plenty of quality guys in that group. But a healthy Max Freed is sort of a big part of them being probably the most dangerous team in the league come playoff time. I think they were probably that without him. But getting Freed back is just huge for them

because you got Spencer Strider and Max Freed, one of the better one-twos you could have in a series. Yeah, and I wonder, there was a big sort of discussion. We had the Bryce Elder is blue on Savant discussion, and I don't know when that was, but I'm just going to take July 1 as a marker here and 660 ERA He's got 13 strikeouts in his last 30 innings

and 12 walks Yeah So I guess in the battle over StatCast Blue wins on this one i think it's also just uh i mean in terms of scouting pedigree and you know what people expected i think you know elder was uh just a person that people liked based off of uh minor league numbers you know i don't even think the scouts liked him as much so um yeah that was a an interesting uh moment in time and i think that means that the yeah like i agree with you

braves need freed and uh i don't know what's the rotation now i think people are worried about morton i see morton as a guy with still has the elite breaking ball but never had elite command and the fastballs kind of sloughing off he kind of drops in my rankings a little bit every time but he still throws 95, he still has that curveball I'm still going to go to

battle with Charlie Morton and Censor Strider obviously first or second best pitcher in the big leagues now you got Freed I second best pitcher in the big leagues. Now you've got Freed. I guess Elder stays in the rotation. But Chirinos and Elder are the back end right now. I think Soroka has another chance to take that back. None of these guys are going to be in the playoff rotation, I guess.

Probably not. We had a question from OJ about Yanni trino so he goes to atlanta he's a blue stack ass guy i'll tell you that yeah the so oj did some splits on the pitching pitch modeling leaderboard over at fangraphs and saw yanni had a much better stuff number just in the brief time he was with atlanta so is there anything going on there any adjustments he's made or just a a small sample blip oh that's interesting let me see the first the first place i look always is uh usage and yes look at that 100 that's amazing that really you just gotta look at usage because with Atlanta he has thrown the splitter 40% of the time. I guess that actually started with

Tampa. I was a little surprised given their need for innings that they were willing to let him go. He's had enough success there. I know it's a lot of lost time due to injuries. Between the shortened season in 2020, injuries knocked him out for all of 2021. Seven innings last year trying to get back. He threw

18 in the third innings over three seasons. I get it, but 374 ERA, 117 whip for his career. Not a bad resume. There's also a weird thing going on. So, you know, there's disagreements on thinkers.

I think Sam Moll, you know, is an example of this where I think driveline has a thinker as average or maybe a little bit above average. And my model has a below. So thinkers is a place where models disagree and then there's also uh very interestingly this year the sinkers are uh doing better relative to other pitch types than they have in the past and i don't know if that's just because uh like players are all in on focusing on on hitting the high fastball the high four seam. And they've been training on that for a while, and they've let some of their sinker training go. Maybe they don't see sinkers as much,

so they're not being trained by in-game play. And also, the sinkers they do see are probably better ones than they were in the past. So, you know, Yanni Ternos, Bryce Elder, Sam Mull, these guys are all guys that are, that are sinker, uh, primarily. I don't see anything in the movement or velo numbers that changes other than I would say, you know, uh, only capturing a period of time, uh, where he threw the splitter 40% of the time, uh, and has become kind of a a two-pitch pitcher with a the splitter and the

sinker that's uh probably what's showing up in uh when you when you check them out and i think that the uh the braves are fine with that uh because they're gonna barely get five innings they got 3.2 innings from him one time and five in the next time um i don't know how useful that makes him in fantasy i mean that's eight and two-thirds innings with seven earned runs for Atlanta. Yeah, and OJ's situation was a four-by-four NL-only league, so an old-school NL-only league.

I think that's kind of like the best use case. It means no strikeouts. That's good for Yanni. That takes away a category where he's a slight negative, even when he's good. I wonder if he's going for the strikeouts with all these splitters. Well, it'll make him more effective if he can get the K rate up from the 13% it's been so far this year. So I think there's at least a chance that Yanni can keep a spot over Bryce Elder

if the Braves reach a point where they have to choose between the two because Elder has really, really struggled. And the why would the Rays give up on him question, not the first player we've seen this season. I believe this is the last year Yanni Torino has minor league options left. So after the season, can't send them down without passing them through waivers, getting ahead of that,

having a pretty crowded roster. That's probably a big part of why Tampa Bay decided they were okay with moving on. Thanks for that question. OJ got one here from Archer. Archer had a question about Jose Abreu. He's in a 12 teamteam AL-only Roto League. I've been stuck with Abreu, and he's slumping again.

You guys talk about playing time being important, but at what point is it more important to just take the better player? I think this is a related question. Also, how do you see Mike Moustakas' at-bats playing out in the future? It might be an alternative available in the case of Mike Moustakas. But to the first question, Abreu for a little while looked like he was going to turn it around. It seemed like there was a window in late May, June where he started to hit a

little bit. The numbers are still bad for the season. The K rate's still up. The barrel rate's still at a low, really an all-time low for him at 7%. It's not a case where he's pounding the ball on the ground and hitting it hard. He's not doing that. 39.5% is the second lowest hard hit rate he's ever posted as a big leaguer. In a mono league, this still is probably okay because a lot of the alternatives will play less than a Breyou, so your runs, your RBIs are still going to be better from a guy struggling than from someone who plays well in a part-time role but using moustakas as a comparison i don't think moustakas is playing time share in a crowded

angels infield is necessarily as large as what a bray is going to get but can he make up the difference by being a better per plate appearance player? If they're using him mostly against righties and sitting against lefties. I mean, if, if he has a full-time lefty role, I'm putting that in, in, in air quotes,

you know, like, uh, it's not full-time, but if he's like basically in two thirds of platoon, um, I think I could give a Moustakas the stamp of approval here. Cause you know, they're definitely the supporting numbers

for his offensive output are pretty good. But does he have that when Trout comes back? So you've got Trout, Grichik Moniak is one platoon probably. Renfro is, you throw him in all the time. Otani is the starter DH. Whoever, Rendifo or Neto, that's short. If Rendon is back, maybe there's a chance here. So, Moustakas

Drury? Neto's hurt again right now, too. So, Rendifo's playing short. So Ranjifo's playing. So maybe between all those injuries, Moustakas is just going to have a full-time lefty role going forward, right? Because even if Netto comes back, Ranjifo is a righty, so it would be Ranjifo or Drury. Oh, no, Ranjifo is a switch hitter. Yeah, Moustakas is only set four times.

I think it's all on Rendon. And he's shut down for at least two weeks after a bone bruise on July 22nd. So we should be getting new news soon. So my advice would be, if this was my team that I was running, I would be waiting for that update on Rendon. Because I think if Rendon comes back

it gets a little hairy for Moustakas I think I'd be tempted to just take Moustakas at this point if that was a choice that I had I mean I think Jose Abreu has not I mean hard hit rate on Fangraffs is um is baseball info solution so it's a stringer but he Jose Abreu has zero hard hits in August and had 26% in July, and he peaked at 35% in June. He had like a 400 slugging in July, 420, and a 105 in August. It's not good. In fact, the first and second half numbers line up almost exactly, except for a difference in walk rate. Are you buying a 267,

335, 431 rest of season line from Abreu with a half dozen homers? His projections are better than Moustakas' by kind of a lot. I'm just not sure I buy it. The power numbers are projected to be very similar.

If you think Moustakas plays as much, he has to exceed the projection he has anyway to earn that playing time, which he's been doing. I don't know. Actually, I think this could actually work out just fine. And I'm at the point now, maybe it's because I believed in Anthony Rendon for so long, I've gone the other way.

I've gone full heel. I lean a Breu. I lean a Breu. Especially in only leagues, I lean towards the boring guy that'll get in there and just get me, you know, chip away at RBI and runs in RBI. And, you know, whatever I get, I get. I would lean towards Abreu.

All right. We've got a few more mailbag questions we'll get to. Thanks for sending that one in, Archer. Zach on Twitter wanted to know, what is our take on Miguel Vargas going forward for Dynasty Leagues? Simple answer for me is he had a thumb injury going all the way back to spring training. I'm not convinced that that ever quite got right. They didn't really give him that much time off.

He's down in the minors right now. Did you see anything from Vargas during this season, Eno, that would lead you to be less optimistic about him in the future. I mean, it's just such a low swing rate that I feel like it puts so much pressure on when he does swing. I do wonder how that feeds into his thumb injury because there was this iconic moment where he wasn't allowed to swing and they had all these people at the WBC, so they had to play him in spring and he just wasn't allowed to swing and he still got a bunch of walks i wonder how that affected his uh his uh approach when she got to the big leagues um a 109 max db and a six percent bail rate the uh i just the name that uh that gives me the willies when I look at stats like this is Abraham Toro.

No, come on. Don't Abraham Toro him. No? I thought you were going to say Jose Miranda. I thought you were going to say it was like that. No, he has a better walk rate. He has better plate skills than Miranda. Definitely.

Definitely better plate skills. And I think better defensive value. Yeah, probably. I think. Yeah. Vargas is going to get another chance. I love the 239 ISO in AAA. I don't love the fact that his max EV in AAA has been 106.1.

So he's still not hitting the ball hard. However, I also know this. I don't know if he went already uh but if he hasn't uh you know they did send a bunch of players to driveline for uh weighted bat like sort of bat speed training and if he hasn't done that uh he could really take off with this because he has all the skills in terms of plate recognition contact ability uh really good foundational skills if you could just boost that max ev to like 111 and the barrel rate to like 9 10 he could really explode so i think there's like still a lot of reason to be excited about him um and uh i would buy him

cheap if i could yeah love trying to trade for Miguel Vargas right now if I'm playing for the future playing for now I mean sure playing for now you could stash him if you've got enough spots but I think he's a great buy low right now coming off of this disappointing season there's a reason why the Mariners traded for Toro and I think that's and they trade for players like him which is you start with a foundation of a good plate discipline and contact, and you hope they will grow into the power. And I feel like you can talk about that intuitively, anecdotally, about how many people in the past have had good plate skills and grew into the power. And I bet you there's research that suggests that those guys are good, like Jake Cronenworth types,

you know, is we we're establishing a little bit of a maybe a dave cameron type here but uh you know if they do all these things well other than the power then you know could you coach them into the power can you can you be more selective at the plate even uh you know like target high fastballs and so on so forth like there are different strategies strategies or bat speed training. J.P. Crawford is having the season of his career due to bat speed training. It's not like he suddenly became

a 30 homer hitter. Him with 12 to 15 homers is a lot better than him before. Yeah, just maxing out with what you have. I think that's always worth doing. I think with Vargas, we're seeing better results in his brief time with AAA than we've seen from

Abraham Toro during his time at that level. Vargas being a lot younger too gives him some time to get right. I think so much of what we've failed to see on the power side from Vargas this year goes back to that thumb injury. They just didn't give him time off. I think if they give him some time off to heal, gets back at it this

offseason, he'll get there. One more question here. This one's from Kelly on Twitter. What's going on with my guy Mason Miller? And the A's, I think, are playing him real slow through that rehab because in reality, he may need to be carefully handled for two more seasons given all the time he's lost due to injury throughout his career

i mean he threw a bullpen session this weekend and uh live hitters next week and i think part of that process of carefully managing him is getting him to any sort of number this year that you can get him to healthy you know like any sort of number because for 2022 the innings number was 14 so for 2023 the innings number is 28 29 so if they could just get it to 30 or 40 then maybe they can get it to 60 or 70 next year it's just it's uh it's as exciting stuff as it is unexciting bulk. Right. And I think the plan, I think you have to try, if you can get him back through a rehab assignment,

it's going to take a few weeks. Like three starts in September. If he somehow by September 1st is ready to come back and just pitch five innings every time out for the rest of the season. That's about six starts, 30 innings there. Count the rehab innings along the way. If you could just get to 70 or 80 innings, then at least you're talking about 110, 120 being possible next year. Someone who's more draftable

next season. Yeah, but it's going to be really tough to rely on Mason Miller in 2024. What is that number for you? I mean, he's at 29 right now. What if he gets to 50, he's at 29 right now. Like, what if he gets to 50? He's not draftable for you next year? Probably not. I mean, maybe for...

Do you like players like this more in leagues where you can get them off the roster when they are inevitably unavailable, either because they're hurt or because they're shut down for workload management? Yeah, it seems like a poor bet in draft and hold where you're like, okay, I'm drafting him in draft and hold because I know those 50 innings are going to be awesome. Well, when are those 50 innings going to come?

Do you get all those 50 innings? Because sometimes they like, you know, they activate him or, you know, send him down at the wrong times and you're like, ah, you know, I don't know. Like I was thinking it's a little bit counterintuitive. In my head, I'm like, you know, I kind of like him more in a 50-round format because I look at my rosters and say, I just want 50 innings from this guy at some point. A bunch of guys break and you can't replace them. So it comes back to a version of the conversation we had about Rodan earlier,

where it's like, you don't want four or five guys that have really limited innings. But if he's super cheap, Mason Miller, where i just get him whenever he's around i don't have to worry about playing the game of oh do i wait two weeks for him to come back like that's the hard part of leagues where you can cut him you get in trouble still because there are going to be so many guys who have this injury discount and then you know the only way you can do mason miller is if you only took one other injury discount or two other injury discounts. Because if Mason Miller is like the fifth injury discount guy

that you're going to put on your drafted and old rotation, like, I've done this before. It doesn't end well. No, no. You get one guy like that with a really tight innings cap. You have to believe a lot in the talent. I think in Mason Miller's case, those lines actually intersect where they need to to justify the gamble. But what price are we talking about? He's got to go outside the top

300 overall before you're thinking about it, right? You can't commit a pick in the first 20 rounds to a guy that may only throw 80 innings next year. I think it has to be after 25 even because there's just no way that I could slot him in in a starter's role. He'd have to be in the bench picks. And even then, I think maybe past 30 because my strategy in drafting holes is a lot of six starters when I get to 30 and 35th round because there aren't that many pitchers around anymore. But six starters are going to give you like 100 innings. So I took a lot of six starters in there and you

know mason miller versus a six starter we're like this other guy i kind of you know i've talked myself into i like this guy a little bit you know and he's a six starter and i think i can get 120 innings out of him might take him over mason miller so i mean that's that's where he the discussion comes in i think around six starters six starters. Expectations are already higher for a guy who's not even projected to have a starting job because he's at least a bulk reliever until he gets that opportunity in a lot of cases depending on how

advanced that pitcher is. Sometimes that six starter is someone you're waiting for at AAA, but it doesn't matter as much in draft and hold. Thanks a lot for that question, Kelly. We are going to sign off on our way out the door. A quick reminder, you can get a subscription to The Athletic for just $2 a month for the first year at theathletic.com slash ratesandbarrels. You can find Eno on Twitter at Eno Saris. You can find me at Derek Van Ryper. That's going to do it for this episode of Rates and Barrels. We're back with you on Tuesday. Thanks for listening.