Rates & Barrels - Rapidly Changing Trade Deadline Needs, Rookie of the Year Battles & How to Pitch to Bobby Witt Jr.

Episode Date: July 25, 2024

DVR and Trevor discuss the rapidly-changing Trade Deadline needs of the Brewers and Mariners in the face of recent injuries to Christian Yelich and Julio Rodríguez. Plus, they’ll examine the Trade Deadline opportunities for the Rays and Padres to re-shape their rosters in the final 2024 installment of ‘At the Fork’. Then, they’ll check in on the Rookie of the Year races in both leagues, before featuring this week’s Game Plan segment: How to Pitch to Bobby Witt Jr. Rundown 1:02 Christian Yelich to Visit with Spine Specialist 4:26 Robbie Ray Pitches Well in 2024 Debut 8:17 Julio Rodríguez & J.P. Crawford Injuries Impacting M's Deadline Plans? 15:34 The Clubhouse Impact of the Trade Deadline 20:05 Could the Rays Move Veterans & Remain in the Playoff Picture? 25:53 What Will the Padres Add In Their 2024 Deadline Push 30:32 Paul Skenes is Great, and This NL Rookie Class is Loaded 35:38 A Wide Open Rookie of the Year Race in the AL 44:02 The Game Plan: Pitching to Bobby Witt Jr. Follow Eno on Twitter: @enosarris Follow DVR on Twitter: @DerekVanRiper Follow Trevor on Twitter: @IamTrevorMay Join our Discord: https://discord.gg/FyBa9f3wFe Join us at 1p ET/10a PT on Thursday 8/1 for our next livestream! Subscribe to The Athletic: theathletic.com/ratesandbarrels Host: Derek VanRiper With: Trevor May Producer: Brian Smith Executive Producer: Derek VanRiper Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to Raids and Barrels, it's Thursday July 25th. Derek and Rhyper Trevor May here with you, Enoceros, on summer vacation in Trevor's neck of the woods though, so maybe you guys will get a chance to meet up at some point before Enos back in Northern California. How's it going for you on this Thursday, Trevor? So maybe you guys get a chance to meet up at some point before he knows back in Northern, California How's it going for you on this Thursday Trevor? It's going good Bouncing around talking in a mic a lot today, but I'm excited to be here. You know actually reached out. He had tickets He's like, oh I some people drop out of a game if you want to come to a game

I'm like, well, I'm glad I'm your replacement friend, but no I wasn't able to get out for that then I'm glad I'm your replacement friend, but no, I wasn't able to get out for that. Been a very busy two weeks lately, so I'm trying to spend time at home as much as possible. But other than that though, great. How are you doing? I'm trying to understand why Brewer's fans just can't have nice things, right? It feels like things are going well again this year, and they are, but this Christian Jelic news

has me really bummed out and I guess if you're going to get bad news about your roster you'd rather have it a few days before the deadline than a few days after. The Brewers have had this leading right into the postseason in recent years with Devin Williams punching a wall and breaking his hand, Brandon Woodruff not being available a year ago so this is earlier than, so maybe that means things are different. We're waiting for the news on Yelich because he's going to see a spine specialist on Thursday. Season ending surgery is a possibility

according to Adam McKelvey of MLB.com. And it leaves you wondering, okay, how much can you change your trade deadline plans in the matter of a few days? Yelich has been great around a little bit of lost time this year. A 155 WRC plus, easily their best hitter. You kind of pace him out, he's like a six win player over a full season, even though it's not the same level

of power output we saw during the MVP years, it's that kind of player again that they're trying to replace. So I guess the only thing you could take comfort in is one, we don't know for sure if it's going to be seasoning surgery and two, they've got good enough depth where getting the best available position player is almost an option to them,

regardless of position, if they want to pursue it. Yeah, it's a big blow because he is definitely the, for that team outside of maybe Contreras. The don't let him beat you guy. And if you having two of those guys are in team have we seen with the Yankees all year and the Dodgers have them too. And you want to have a situation where it's hard to pitch around, your biggest producers and he's begun such a big producer that,

the difference between Willie Thomas being your second best hitter and your third best hitter is kind of a big deal. So I'm hoping this he goes and sees a specialist. They have some sort of management plan. He's by all accounts been kind of managing it all year and has found a way to have success. So if there's a way to continue that, then I'm sure they're going to they're going to explore every avenue until everything's exhausted, but going against somebody at the deadline that is gonna be anywhere near able to fill in that hole is probably a pipe dream, but you gotta do something.

So it's gonna be really interesting, but that, yeah, definitely, not news you wanna ever hear, but having a couple days left to kinda make something happen is definitely better than the alternative. And to at least get the diagnosis from the specialist too to understand if it's gonna be a few weeks or an actual season ender. But looking at this roster right now,

yeah, I think you could see a few players playing at slightly higher levels. I mean, Jackson Chorio since June has looked like a young player starting to click. That helps a lot. If he continues the way he's played for the last two months, that makes a pretty big difference. You can see them getting a little more from Reese Hoskins maybe they get William Contreras's April and May form kind of back for the final two months again because he's been in a

bit of a a lull relative to what we've seen from him at his peak so you get a little bit more from a bunch of guys across the board add one or two quality players that could be enough to balance out the lineup but it does change the look of things in Milwaukee quite a bit. Now it wasn't just the Yelich injury news that broke in the last 24 hours we got Mike Trout getting shut down from his rehab assignment which is a huge bummer apparently his knee is bothering him right now so we'll have to see where that goes no updated timetable for him just yet, but we have to have some good news Trevor We have to talk about Robbie Ray after a pretty bumpy first inning against the Dodgers He looked great in his season debut. He's touching 96 even 97 with that fastball

Getting big strikeouts against Otani and Freeman in that matchup and he brought back that knuckle curve to at least or what stat Cast calls the knuckle curve So this seems like a call that you may be a month or so ago saying that the Giants getting Robbie Ray back, that could be a huge lift for them if he's back to his pre-injury form again. And certainly through one turn back in the rotation, it looks like that could happen. Yeah, it looks like it's a possibility. And you know, it's not guaranteed, but definitely seeing that type of outing in your first in the first time back He looks like he never left and that is huge for the Giants team

They got to I in my opinion got a win tonight got us with the series to keep themselves in a position to maybe add Something somewhere. I don't still not convinced that they're gonna do anything But I definitely think that selling probably isn't what they should do is because with Robbie Ray being a factor, Blake Snell continuing to improve as well and Webb get maybe a little bit of pressure on him to be off of himself, to be kind of the guy who eats all the innings in the, in the rotation. And he probably continues to get better. That's three really good starting pitchers for a playoff series to sneak it in like they could beat anybody at that time. They are kind of primed if they can sneak in to be that time that gets hot

at the right that team that gets hot at the right time and their offense has been good enough. They got some good pieces. They got some you know guy like Lamont Wade Jr who is you know gets on base and is a tough out. They got enough guys in the lineup that they could be a pesky offense as well. So Robbie Ray's given me some excitement. We still don't know what Cobb's gonna do. And if you get anything out of Cobb at this point, if Cobb and Ray combine to be one very good pitcher,

they're still winning, I think. So I think they're still in a good position. And also Jordan Hicks might have to go out of the bullpen or go out to the bullpen which might bolster that side of things which was mentioned before the season before he was signed that it was possible but these guys come back so this was all part of the plan this was always part of the plan they knew this was gonna happen from opening day and so seeing what seeing this through I think is is their best chance this was kind of their plan

not plan B, but their, if we're not already in it, this is our last push. And if this doesn't work, then maybe we consider just holding Pat, but unfortunately, there's five days left until the break, so you don't really have a lot of time to make decisions, do you? So I would hold steady, though.

I would still hold out hope if I was a San Francisco Giants fan. Yeah, so something we're gonna do, I think, maybe next week on the show, once the deadline is over, we're going to rank rotations and just get a feel for which teams will be the most dangerous if we get healthy guys into the postseason from all these clubs, because I think the Giants would come up really high on that. They'd be the kind of team you wouldn't want to see as that last wild card team in the NL, because they're starting pitching,

and their bullpen could actually shut you down pretty effectively now that they're getting all of their key pieces back. We got a few teams we're gonna talk about at the fork today though. So tons on the rundown today. We've got Mariners, we've got Rays, we've got Padres, probably even make a few matches via trade that might solve that Brewers problem

we talked about up top. We're gonna look at the Rookie of the Year races and we're going to have a game plan segment looking at how to pitch to Bobby Witt Jr. coming up in a little bit here as well. Take some questions from the Live Hive throughout the show too. Trevor, much like the situation in Milwaukee, you have this injury with Julio Rodriguez where it's not looking like it's nearly as serious within the range of outcomes, even though it won't be the 10-day minimum for Julio to come back you pair that with an injury to JP Crawford It's gonna cost him probably four to six weeks the fractured pinky for Crawford

And you think about the recent form of this team. How much does this last week? Possibly reshape what the Mariners are going to do at the Tuesday trade deadline they needed a bat before now they need five bats. And they needed JP Crawford, because he was starting to put together better at bats. He started getting a flow a little bit, then he got, this isn't a useless injury, it's just a getting, like, it's so frustrating,

I'm sure, for him, but they needed him. And then Julio, obviously, is, he was starting to get hot too. And they were their really only hopes in terms of Production of the plate. Let me just hit you with yesterday's lineup going into the game This is I think this tells you everything you need to know Josh Rowe has to lead off Victor Robles is batting second Now just think about if someone told you that in 2023 That Victor Robles would be batting second for the Mariners that you would probably say they're not close to being in first. No shade to Victor but like he was the

fourth outfielder two weeks ago and now he's the two-hitter. Then Calralli, Polanco, Hanegger, Vossler, Locklear, Rayleigh, and Dillon Moore. We're gonna need we're gonna need more and there's only two guys over a 700 OPS Vosar is an 800 But he doesn't have very many at bat. So we're probably not gonna count him. It's just been absolutely abysmal there I'm I'm learning now being a fan of a team again I apologize to all the fans that I gave crap over the years like This is this is hard. This is hard to watch. They got to get an outfielder. They have to get Someone who puts quality at bats together who is a productive type hitter. We're not talking about a homer hitter

who's a strikeout guy we need a solid Complete type of hitter to kind of help make everyone around them better. There's not many options in that category So it's gonna be interesting to see what they do, but they got to do something if you do nothing That's a sell in my opinion. What's surprising to me is that they didn't Accomplish their main objective from the offseason. They wanted to get some of the swing and miss in the lineup down They want to strike out less Unfortunately, no team in the league has struck out more than the Mariners this year

They have a 28% strikeout rate as a team. Two and a half percentage points higher than the next worst team, A's, second worst by the way. But the difference was last year, the Mariners did some damage, right? They were an above average run production unit despite the strikeout rate. This year they got a 93 WRC plus, so they've been below average.

They're not making it work. Like if you have kind of a feast or famine approach within a few core pieces of your lineup But you do enough damage you can live to tell the tale that has not been the story at all I think outlining that that lineup top to bottom they threw out there last night It does point to a team that needs multiple pieces I think if you are thinking about the way Jerry DePoto usually operates, you're probably looking more at players that will be there beyond this season because of the direction they're going right now and the long term needs.

There's not help coming from within the farm system anytime soon either. So you're trying to solve a multi-year problem if you're able to do that. And that means you're looking at players that aren't rentals. You're looking at guys that might be a second year of arbitration or even someone like Randy or Rosa Arena. So, I mean, which bins do you think they should shop in outfield for sure? I think you've mentioned Yandy Diaz as someone that you think could be a good fit, despite the ballpark and a guy that definitely would help reduce

the swing and miss gives you that different type of look in an important part of your lineup. Yeah, Yandy Diaz would be a perfect, I think, addition. But again, we don't know. We're going to talk about the Rays in a second. The Rays are right there. So like they're only a game behind the Mariners, but the Rays are a team that like sells guys high, gets three guys back, and then two of those guys turn to that one guy and they're willing to move forward with that. So if there is a team that would make a trade in this situation, it'd be the race. And I think Yandy is the type of guy, like he, not a ton of swing and miss, he's a, he battles, he's not su- he's got pop, he's a big strong dude. We've all seen him, right? Like that's not what he's

only trying to do. He's not an E-sec parietus who's just pulling the ball over the fence. And they need that type of player. They need a producer, a guy who gets the RBI is a guy who puts together a tough at bat. They just don't have any of that right now. And maybe putting him in front of Cal is, is, is, you know, maybe a stopgap that keeps him in the conversation. I mean, maybe Louie Robert is a way to do it. If you can do some pitching, put some pitching in there, they just hold on their pitching like, you know, tight and, and we'll see.

Or we don't even know if the White Sox will be interested in the haul they can get from the Mariners. So, but getting a guy like that, a Brent Rooker, that's in division, I mean, he would be the best hitter on the team by far. He's got some control left and he's a little bit of an older guy. So maybe the haul won't be, won't need to be super crazy, but they got to get somebody, one of these guys that are, that are really doing the thing. And my gut tells me we're gonna get some platoon

utility type of guys play multiple positions, trying to mix and match and move in and out of line up and pinch hit and stuff. I just don't know if that's gonna be enough. Actually I do know, I don't think that's gonna be enough. Yeah, I think the cost on a player, like a Randy Arosa or Yandy Diaz or anybody that's not a Pending free agent could be so high that they just balk at it and say yeah

We like our pitching core, but we don't like the prices for these players right now Let's get a deal like this done in the winter when there are more more willing teams to Link up with on a deal so then you end up in that that other path where you are choosing more from on a deal. So then you end up in that that other path where you are choosing more from the expiring veterans that look a lot like the players you already brought in in some ways, which would probably be frustrating for fans. But I do think they are stuck. The Mariners are stuck in this spot where their pitching is too good for them to give up a season because pitching can change so fast. You lose a couple of guys to injuries. You lose maybe one guy to some skills loss,

and all of a sudden a rotation that's one of the best in the league is average or even worse depending on how bad that outcome really is. So it's a lot like the argument I was making last year with the Marlins. I said, look, this team has flaws, but the pitching is playoff caliber pitching. And when you have playoff caliber pitching and you live anywhere within reach of a playoff spot, you have to go get it. But it's just been a brutal combination of injuries and recent form that have left the Mariners in this bucket

where the arrow is clearly pointing down right now and getting out of that tailspin is going to be really tricky. But you've been a part of teams that have made moves the deadline in both directions, right? So how does it change the vibes when things are not going well and you actually have some new players some Reinforcement showing up to try and help you get back to being the team you thought you were when the season began There is hopeful it's it's helpful like getting someone who comes in clean slate, especially if they're playing really well

It's always interesting because of the difference between whether or not you go get a guy at a deadline, but he's not like a takeover the clubhouse type guy or like a big, and those guys maybe don't handle that as well because they have to come be like the savior. So honestly, for the Marrers, they're gonna feel that immediately when they come over. Now they need the right guy too that'll fit in that thing and not put everything on themselves

and just keep doing what they're doing. But it's hard. It's hard. And I'll be honest, that clubhouse has not been happy the last couple deadlines with the moves. Like they, if anything, they kind of felt like they weren't all on the same page and that does the opposite thing. And so I just can't point any obvious things that they can make happen,

but they're gonna have to do something because the guys in there are searching and possibly getting another maybe perspective and feeling like there's some fresh blood in the clubhouse. Can help alleviate that a little bit, take the pressure off a little bit, make you believe that things will be okay. So I'm hoping that's what happens, but that's

definitely something you look for when you're a buyer and then when you're a seller you just try to play, play every day and then roll with the punches. It's very much a roll the punch especially if you're on that short list right to be one of the guys to go. So that's hard in its own right but there's a flip side because if you get traded to a team and then now there's excitement and you're in it again. So I guess we'll have to wait and see. But they need the positive thing. They need they need the little green arrow pointing up.

They do. They need something good in that clubhouse right now. If you were calling shots, would you be willing to trade one of the young starters, Bryce Miller, Brian Wu? I don't think they would ever trade Kirby. I don't think they'd even trade Gilbert necessarily. Maybe there's a world where they would, but think about a team like the Orioles, which has had this multi-year need for rotation help.

They are linked to almost any starting pitcher available. The Mariners have shown this organizational skill of being very good at developing pitching. Would you consider something like that to go get Mayo or Norby or Kerstad or some combination of those extra position player bats that the Orioles have right now? Yeah, I mean, to be honest, I would say Miller and Wu

would be, I would be a green light of them, probably more Wu than Miller, because Miller's been healthy and he's been consistent. And woo is the type of guy, the way that he is, the way he's put together that these little weird injuries that he gets all the time is not something you train for. It's just something I've seen. It's a pattern I've seen.

But he's got great stuff. And when he's dialed in, he's dialed in. So they could get a pretty big Hall from because he might be the most risky I'm sure Emerson Hancock's just gonna be throw like he's gonna be they're gonna try him first most places He could fit in that fifth role innings eater like they just need somebody they can get a good hall for him I would be willing to part with woof or something Kirby Castillo and Gilbert kind of are your core. And I would stick with those,

because I think we have not even remotely seen the best of Kirby yet. And we're seeing one of Gilbert's best seasons. So you'd have to get a crazy haul for Gilbert. But even if they got rid of Gilbert and they were able to get a bat, maybe a big league bat, and then some prospect or two, I might consider that too, because I don't know if,

I mean, there are only two games over 500. I don't know if it's gonna make that big of a difference losing one of your starters when you can throw Hancock out there. Yeah, looked at the playoff odds before the show, 35.7% chance for the Mariners to make the playoffs according to fan graphs, that feels about right, but like I said before, it feels like it's got that down arrow next to it too, where you expect

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most comprehensive coverage available. Let's talk about the Tampa Bay Rays for a moment. They seem like they've got some flexibility where they could try to play the middle. They're sitting right at 500 entering play on Thursday, only a 17.9% chance of making the playoffs. See you think about that if you're in a front office and say we're not out of it but we're not necessarily playing or making moves to get immediately better for this year. We're thinking more about the big picture. And if thinking about the big picture also helps us in the short run, so be it. Right. They've got Junior, Caminero, who they can call up down the stretch to get a boost in that group of position players.

So if they move a bat, possibly move two bats, they have some reinforcements. They could play Curtis Mead more if they wanna do that down the stretch. They've got a lot of guys they can trade, they don't really have anybody they have to trade right now and they even have some pitching to spare. Zach Eflin could be on the move. I noticed he's got one year at 18 million on the books for 2025 and for a team that spends less than $100 million

on his payroll most years, an $18 million pitcher doesn't really seem like part of the equation for the race. So it looks like me, like Zach Eflin, is their most likely pitcher to be moved before the deadline. I agree wholeheartedly with that. I think a lot of people would be, a lot of teams would be happy to have Eflin. There's a lot of conversations about how like he's had a down year. He's had like a 4-1. Like he's pretty around where he usually is Maybe he's a high three usually but he's you know, he's usually around the four He's he's kind of an innings eater type guy. He throws tons of pitches tons of different kinds of pitches He's different angles and all this kind of stuff

So it's not like he's a dominant guy by any means So a lot of guys can a lot of teams could use a fourth guy a force a four starter or five starter I mean he'd be a great one to add and you can pretty much slot him into any of those rotations that are probably looking for somebody. The Orioles are come to mind but they're in division and if you're a raised team you probably want to avoid if you can. If you're especially if you're doing lateral moves you still want to hang around like bolstering the top of your division but at the same time I think they're under no illusions that they're gonna catch one of those teams either or even the Red

Sox so like they're trying to sneak into the third spot if they're going to sneak in anywhere. So maybe that's not a big deal. So I think Eflin, it's going to be interesting to see how inter-divisional stuff works this time around in the next five days because there's so many teams that need starting pitching and indivision. And like it's weird that there's so many indivision trades that could happen and doesn't usually happen that way. I'm guessing that some of that stuff's gonna get thrown out of the window so

But they're just gonna shuffle. They're gonna they're gonna replace some guys. Maybe we don't know coming off the miners They're gonna get some prospects from somewhere else and bring them straight up And so that's why I think like Andy Diaz going is a possibility That's why I think Randy's a possibility like these guys they rarely have anyone under contract anyway So it's just they're gonna be the same team It's they're so interesting because, they're gonna be the same team. They're so interesting, because they would, this could be the trade deadline, this could be the off season,

this could be just in the middle of May, and they're kind of doing the same thing. They're always looking for the same things, which is a superpower in a situation where you can decide to kind of be a seller and a buyer at the same time. In the climate that is now, you can get pretty, if you're savvy, you could make some sneaky big moves.

Yeah, that's how they operate. I mean, usually you see guys within a year or two of free agency getting moved as their costs go up in arbitration. So that's what I think opens the door for Randy Rosa Arena in particular. They already extended Yandy Diaz, so he's cost control, but he's also getting older. So he's at the point where you don't necessarily bank on him for the same year to year production if you're in the raised position.

And maybe you want to move Esau Parade so over to first base more often so you clear that out by moving Yandy like that's the other way to Look at that and I think you can look at this team and say well They've barely had Josh Lowe this year so having Josh Lowe in the second half kind of gives them something they didn't get have Randy Arroz Arena has been a lot better in the last two months and he was in the first two months But his season as a whole has been a little bit underwhelming too so they could probably talk themselves into being a team that's underperformed in some ways where if they just hit their stride in the final two months of the season with a few guys that could change the way their lineup looks too in

addition to whatever trades that they're able to make. They could trade relievers I mean Pete Fairbanks could be on the move, Jason Adam could be on the move, Colin Poche could be on the move, and they could be among the very best relievers that could trade it by anybody at next week's deadline. We always forget about their reliever haul they could put out there, and anyone would use any of those guys. And if we're gonna talk about them,

I mean, throw Jason Adam out there, he's probably on the ball, if everyone is, probably. And if you can get the right players back for them, then they'll do it. And relievers are another big need for a lot of teams, especially guys who are able to be a seventh, eighth inning guy and then fill in close role, the setup type style and Pete Fairbanks, Jason Adam and Poche are all guys who can do all of those roles for any team and they have their own unique set of skill, like

set of metrics that make them really good against certain types of hitters too. So you can kind of pick your poison there and see what they're thinking. So it'd be interesting to see who is able to grab some of those guys, because I think grabbing one of them

could make a lot of teams much, much better. Again, the Orioles, maybe Kansas City, everyone could use one of them. I think them and the Blue Jays are gonna be the ones with Chad Green and Yumi Garcia, kinda with probably the biggest ticket items in terms of the back end of the bullpen. So it'll be interesting to see what they do there too.

Yeah, and having some of those guys not as expiring contracts too will bring back a better return for the Rays as well, which is why I think they're right in that sweet spot. I think one of the more active teams between now and 6 o'clock Eastern on Tuesday. Let's go to the Padres for a minute Trevor. It's all gas, no breaks with AJ Preller.

Always has been, probably always will be. Four over 500 at 54 and 50. Just over 50% chance of making the playoffs. 51.1% according to Fangraphs entering play on Thursday. They've already been aggressive, right? They added Dylan Cease in the late trade this spring. They added Luis Arias after the season started. What's on the priority list to make this team a more formidable contender? I mean, the wild card right now is that you Darvish is on the restricted list

dealing with a family situation, so there's not really a timetable for his return. You pair that with the Musgrove injury that it could be something that lingers on through even the later weeks of the season, depending on how he recovers. Starting pitching seems like one thing they need, but not necessarily the only thing they need in San Diego right now. Yeah. Starting pitchers is the first thing that I would say. They just need someone consistent and takes the ball every five days

because that's what it's been. They've been missing. I feel like they've been mixing matching a lot this year, moving guys around, trying to, trying to kind of get some continuity going. And they really haven't been able to do that. So getting someone who is solid in that area might be a good pickup. An interesting one for me is like a guy like Eric Fetty possibly because he's been rock solid is hyper consistent. You know, I still think the Cardinals are probably he's got Cardinals written all over him

But you know, I don't know what they have in terms of ability to trade or who they have to trade So going to get a starters big the questions about how quickly Tatis is gonna get back Right is a big one because he's you know He's a stud out there in the outfield and we all know about his bat. So getting something maybe an outfielder there's not a lot there in terms of like superstar potential. Kevin Pilar, Tommy Pham is always an option. He's always getting traded. It's really hard to tell with these guys especially with the way that they mentioned wanting to shed payroll going into the season and so I don't know if AJ Preller is the AJ Preller

we know anymore. I tend to expect them to, if there's a blockbuster trade to be made, they're gonna be in the conversation because that's the way they operate. It's just hard to tell which starter they're gonna try to go get. I think that like a guy like Fetty

is maybe your most safe, but also helpful option. Like a guy like Garrett Crochet, we don't know how many innings he's gonna throw. So there's just so much of this going. I don't know if like a Tyler Anderson's like something that would move the needle for them. I would focus on getting the best starting pitch you can and go from there and then hope

Tatis comes back as soon as possible. I think it would just take a lot of pressure off of two guys that have pitched really well, especially lately, Michael King and Matt Waldron. The King, after the way his season started, was really in a bad spot. I was looking at that and saying, oh, they've really botched the Juan Soto trade, and it looks a lot better now, given that King has pitched like a number two starter overall this year.

They've needed that in a big way. And then Matt Waldron, just a ridiculous story. Like the quality of the innings they're getting from Matt Waldron right now has gone a long way to really stabilize that group. So you have three quality starters right now. I think you've got that question of like, who's the five right now?

Is Randy Vasquez really good enough to be in a number four spot for a playoff caliber team? I don't think you want to get to October and have him starting games in the post season at this juncture of his career. So I think the Eric Fetty call would make a lot of sense. The crochet thing is what we all would wanna dream up because Garrett Crochet being on a better team sooner

is a lot of fun, but that's gonna tap into some of the better prospects the Padres have. It's amazing their system's not completely gutted after all the moves they've made. They still have a handful of guys that are on most top 100 prospect lists which says a lot about their ability to find and develop players consistently in San Diego. But yeah, I think it's pitching first, maybe one position player, Taylor Ward maybe if they were to go that route would help them a little bit too. Just a nice veteran outfielder that gives them a little more balance across that group of bats.

The good news is Tatis is slowly ramping up baseball activities so his return may be just a few weeks away as opposed to like a very late season thing based on what we know right now. Let's get to the National League Rookie of the Year race for a moment. Part of the reason the Padres have stayed afloat to Jackson Merrill has been excellent and he is one of many rookies in the NL putting together a great season. There are four rookies in the NL among position players with two or more. Michael Bush, Mason Wynn, Joey Ortiz and Jackson Merrill.

And given the way this class has come together with Paul Skeens being ridiculous and probably being the easy favorite to win the actual National League Rookie of the Year award show at the Monaco. Yoshinobu Yamamoto. It's to me a little weird and unfair to count players who played professionally in other countries, rookies. It's just the way baseball has always done it here. So be it. You get those guys plus Jared Jones and Gavin Stone

and you have Jackson Churio I mentioned earlier playing better the last couple of months. You've got like 10 very good impact rookies right there all just battling for some kind of recognition even if Skeens is going to end up being the runaway in terms of winning the NL Rugby of the year award this year. Yeah, it's definitely Paul Skeens and then a big gap and then everyone else with Shota maybe a little closer, but you know again like Shota would have to

greatly outperform him like it would it would have to be very obvious to dethrone Skeens or Skeens would would just have to stop pitching at some point, which would know what he wants. So if he stays healthy and he pitches the rest of the year, it's him, easy. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't give the props to a guy like Gavin Stone, who pitches beyond his years. And then Jared Jones is just a pure stuff show.

He's great to watch. But the big ones, I think that I'm glad we're talking about all these guys, but like the Michael Bush and Mason Wynn, like they've been huge for their teams, huge impacts for the success of each team and where they're at. And they're not necessarily talked about as much, maybe Mason Wynn a little bit more, but Michael Bush has been really impressive. And then Joey Ortiz, though he is banged up right now, has been a great story. And he was in the, I believe, Joey Ortiz was in the the Corbin Burns trade, correct?

Did they get him for Corbin Burns? Yeah, so that's paying off so far. And then we got all the Jacksons. Now they're all kind of, with the exception of, you know, Jackson Holliday, who we'll give him a pass 20 years old. But the other two Jacksons are coming on too. I just think that Skeens is, the top of the mountain and no one can really see him

at this point, especially with how he's come out, thrown really strong on the second half, starting the All-Star game. He's the guy we're talking about and he deserves it at this point. Skeens looks like someone who's going to get MVP votes someday. That's what he has shown us already through a dozen big league starts which is just absurd but a loaded class of rookies in the NL and you're right about Mason Wynn. I mean I think his defense too I saw a nice tweet from Mike Petriello has just improved month over month made a lot more impact on that side much more

consistent with the bat than I thought he'd be right away. I thought it was gonna take some more time. 332 OBP will absolutely take that. I think the big question in Mason Wynn's profile for me is how much power will he develop over time? Right now he doesn't have a ton, but he's so young, right? He's 22 years old. He could change a lot these next couple of seasons. Will at least be a 15 homer guy at his peak that steals bases, plays great defense and maybe ends up being a table setter in the long run for the cards. I could see that kind of being a really good outcome for Mason Wynn in the next few seasons.

The other guy on that group though is Jackson Merrill doing this in a new position, moving from the dirt to center field, learning on the job this spring this season i can't even imagine how difficult that is on top of making the leap from double a to big league pitching and jackson merrill didn't even spend a full season at double a last year he was there for 46 games so to see him more than hold his own as a hitter while learning to play a new position defensively, I don't think he'll get full recognition for it in part because of skeins,

but he's been really important to this Padres team all season. He's been impressive and moving from the infield to the outfield, doing it in the big leagues, and then also producing at the level you are. With the amount of hype that is around you as a prospect, it's just impressive top to bottom. So we could probably be talking about him even more,

you know, but any other year I'd say he's up there and this is a big big conversation about who could win this thing but the mustachioed monster from, I just called him a mustachioed monster, we're gonna go with that from Pittsburgh, probably number one. You put that on a t-shirt? I mean maybe he'll put it on a t-shirt, I want to steal his likeness, you know, I mean It's probably the right way to go. Let's look at the ale side for a minute This is one where I think if we rewind back to March expectations were Jackson Holliday or Wyatt Langford, who do you like better? And that was a fair question to ask at the time now holiday had that quick 10-game promotion

Got sent back down, has not had the opportunity to make the impact we had thought. Maybe he'll get a chance in the final two months. Maybe there's even enough time for him to make up ground because this is a pretty open group right now. The leader by war is Colton Couser just over two wins. Luis Heal on the pitching side not far behind. And Heal's been pretty important for the Yankees too. You think about their rotation, the absence of Cole, the struggles of Rodin, the inconsistency of Stroman. So to get what they're getting from Louis Heal, I can see him kind of sneaking in and actually being the ultimate winner of this award. But it could be Mason Miller, Trevor.

He's closing in on two war out of the pen which is really hard to do in Two-thirds of the season if that were to happen Mason Miller would be the first reliever to win a rookie of the year award since Devin Williams did it in 2020 and it'd be the first time it happened in a full season since 2016 when Michael Fuller did it So who do you like to win the AL rookie of the year award? Based on what we've seen so far and based on what could happen in the final two months? It's interesting because I think Colton Couser accumulated a lot of that war earlier in the year and he has come down to Earth quite a bit. As recently, he's pretty easy. He's fallen back towards the more average side of things, though he is still having a very good year. I would say he also was absolutely stellar and has come down to earth a little bit more.

And Miller's kind of maintained his dominance. I think that's where the things get a little bit different. If we're gonna judge this by war, the reliever's always gonna lose. Good luck getting near a three. You gotta be the greatest. You gotta be Brad Lidge in, you know, oh five or whatever it was.

So to get a four war. So mine is Mason Miller because I think he's gonna keep going. I think that war number is gonna keep jumping up. And but I think that most likely, I think Heels probably slight has the slight edge with what he's meant to the team and how good they've been. I just think maybe he's getting a little tarnished because of how the Yankees have played the last 25 or 30 days.

He hasn't been terrible, but he hasn't been dominant like it was either. And so he's kind of just leveled out. And Miller's got that wow factor. I think people just like, you just go watching, watching through 103. Like that's the rookie of the year. That's not how it's always done. So I think those three guys are definitely probably being interchangeable at this point. I think Wyatt Langer would have been up there if he wasn't hurt. But I think those three guys are the big ones. But if I were to pick, I would have been up there if he wasn't hurt, but I think those three guys are the big ones. But if I were to pick, I would say Mason Miller is going to end up with it because I think he's going to end up with like 130 strikeouts or some crazy number.

Yeah, he's at least getting to 100. He's probably going to do it with an ERA either at or below two, a whip below one. And if they could just find a way to get him close to 30 saves, I think that would make him basically a shoe in for it. Because the dominance has been there start to finish this year. We actually had a question in Discord that came in this week about the long term role of Mason Miller. Do you see a world where Mason Miller moves back into the rotation again, even though he's been phenomenal in the pen, but he wasn't bad as a starter, it was just a matter of how do we try to keep him healthy for as many innings as possible?

I think that was a big part of the the process for the A's doing what they did this year But 2025 and beyond could Mason Miller make that switch back to starting again He could but the the nature of the starting is a couple things health is a big factor And he not only was he struggled with health last year. He struggled with health His whole life like ever since he even before he was drafted this has been something that he's dealt with. He got to the big leagues after 31 innings in three years. Like he was hurt pretty much his whole minor league career but he's so nasty that we had to get him to the big leagues as quickly as possible which I agree with and I think that's makes a lot of

sense. So I think that just prioritizing him being healthy, having him on the field if that means he's closing, then that means he's closing. He's also a two breaking ball, forcing fastball guy. So we'd have to like, he would need to learn a splinker or a sinker or a hard change up or something. So there's another pitch that eventually will have to come and play.

Unfortunately, I think it might be a little bit one of the, like one of these are all just Chapman situations and just pull the bandaid off and and do the thing that's that makes him successful because there's a lot that needs to happen for him to find success consistently as a starter does he have the stuff for it thousand percent he's got great stuff and he throws that hard as a starter but he also was unable to stay healthy he's not gonna throw 200 innings you're just never gonna get 200 innings out of him. And if you want the premium, you always need closers

and he's controllable. So something tells me that come spring trading 2025, we're going to see them try to stretch out Mason Miller. I think that's what's going to happen. I think they're at least going to try it. And I think if you need inspiration, you look at what the White Sox did this year with Garrett Crochet and how well that's gone.

And I think you could probably say Crochet and Mason Miller have similarly scary injury histories where you just don't have those those previous workloads as a starter to fall back on. It's a lot of uncertainty as to just how well he'll hold up physically trying to take the ball 30 times as a starter. But the upside is so tantalizing that if you feel after an offseason that he's gone through and he's found that splinker that could be the magic pitch for Miller to have a fourth option, I think you try it. I think he probably would want to try it. There's a

big fork in the road career wise, the big difference that you could become a nine figure salary, a big nine figure contract guy going down the road. You could actually do that as a reliever too. That's how good he is as a reliever. But the difference longterm is massive if they can find a way to make it work. So, okay, so you're probably. Trust me, I know.

Yeah, so you're in the camp of saying they're gonna at least try this one more time to see if they can get them stretched out and make it work as a starter for Mason Miller. If he finishes this year healthy. So if he finishes and throws 58 to 65, you know, appearances and was healthy the whole year, then I say try him as a starter because he showed that he can be healthy all

year. Um, and he had a workload that was more than he's had in the past but you know and then allow you to work into 140 innings next year and see what's there and if it doesn't work you can put him back in the pen but just do it once just do I had it happen to me two and a half ish times just try it once and if it doesn't work it doesn't work just let him go do what he does let him go kick up dust but yeah I think you would be remiss if you didn't work, it doesn't work. Just let him go do what he does. Let him go kick up dust. But yeah, I think you would be remiss if you didn't give him a shot one more time

and see what he can do. The other footnote here I have for the rookie of the year race for Mason Miller, if he were to achieve that, he'd be the third Oakland reliever since 2005 to do it. Houston Street did it in 05. Andrew Bailey did it in 09. You reminded me during our production meeting of that one.

Andrew Bailey was incredible at the start of his career. I think that one's a little lost outside of Oakland. I'm pretty sure he was on the cover of 09, the show, either the show or like MVB baseball 09. I remember the commercial he had for the game. It was pretty funny. So that's the only reason I remember that I forgot Houston Street though Want it with the with the ace to that something about closers there, huh? Something about it. They find him Gotta give a shout out to Kate Smith having a great year in the Cleveland bullpen, too

It's overshadowed by what Mason Miller's doing as far as AL rookie relievers go but both Smith and Hunter Gaddis have been great for the Guardians so far this year. I think for me I'm just wondering is Wyatt Langford gonna be healthy and just go bonkers for two months and gonna play his way back into the conversation because the way Colton Couser has slumped frequently since that great April that's left the door open, I think, for just about anybody to still take a shot at the AL Rookie of the Year award. Let's get to our game plan segment, Trevor. I thought playing the role of Enosaris would be fun. I thought it would be acting like Ferris Bueller for a day.

And it's not that fun. It's actually very hard to try and find weaknesses in elite hitters in particular. And just so people know how the sausage is made, we do this segment every other week or so we choose a great player. Eno tries to use public facing information, come up with a good scouting report, throws it out there. Trevor breaks it down, adds to it. We kind of go from there, like, will this work? Could this work?

And I find Bobby Witt Jr. to be incredibly frustrating to build a game plan for. So here's what I did. I took a slightly different approach than Eno. I started out by looking at where in the zone is Bobby Witt crushing the ball? Where does he crush? So barrel rate or barrel balls, heat map,

looked at that first, okay, typical spots, kind of like middle in a little bit, places you wouldn't normally pitch anyway. Then I looked where all the swinging strikes are. Where can you get them to swing and miss? Away, there's a pretty nice little red spot there. There's kind of a funny red spot in the middle part of the

zone, outer half, that I don't know if I'd want to live there necessarily. And when I was looking into it in more detail, there were some particular matchups. Like Joe Ryan's fastball beats him in there. And I couldn't quite figure out if that's anything you could reasonably exploit with consistency. It just seemed like a bit of a blip. And then I looked over at sliders in particular. That seems like the picture you can really get them and not surprisingly swing strikes on sliders in that down and away sort of bucket.

That's like the thing you're trying to set up, the down and away slider, looking at all the heat maps. So then I said, well, what else can you do? Where could you possibly throw fastballs against Bobby with? Cause that seems like a bad idea in general. He crushes fastballs. Started off by looking at the ISO,

something Eno does pretty frequently. You can get them down and away. You can get them up and in. So if you've got that two seamer, that Chris Bassett two seamer that you can throw at the top of the zone and get that up on his hands, great, that seems like something that would work pretty well against Bobby Witt Jr. And I started looking at some of the contact rates on even count fastballs.

Like, all right, is there a spot where you can throw a fastball early in the count and get away with it? Or if you're even down and away, maybe you could try that. And I looked at changeups in particular because I thought, all right, maybe you need something else to just kind of mix it up. Can't necessarily go fastball slider. It's going to be a little bit too predictable. What can you do with changeups against them?

There's a little bit of a spot like changeups down. I don't know if you throw a changeup really high in the zone against them frequently, but you could try that as well. There's some blue spots in the zone there. So I didn't really like what I saw when I looked. I mean, he's a complete player. There's not much there to work with other than you can try to put him away

with sliders down and away. But I found it challenging to find how you'd get to the point where you could put him away with that pitch. Everything up to that point seems very challenging. He's very good at hitting a lot of different spots. So there's first thing I do when I check is Looking into a guy is is there is there a glaring spot that no matter what the count is no matter You know what the situation is no matter where whether or not you're ahead or behind

That they struggle with all the time. That's it. That's a swing That's a swing issue, right? There's guys like Hunter Renfro Adam Duvall, they have these like single swings, they have a hole that if you just throw it at the same spot over and over again, they know they can't hit it hard,

and they're gonna just try to foul it off until you make a mistake and they hit the one that they can't hit hard. He's not one of those guys. He's a middle lineup superstar that is blossoming in front of our eyes. So, couple big things. So it's about when you throw,

what you're throwing and when. And we were talking about this the other night on Sunday Night Baseball about Shohei Otani, because every single one of his overlays was bright red the whole box, right? But there are times where a little blue, in terms of middle counts or late counts or early counts, starts to show up because he's obviously looking

for some type of pitch. You gotta exploit those things. Make him feel like he's getting something that he can hit that he can't by what's the same way. So up and in is a spot that you can get him to overall. That's where I have some blue, this up and in spot. Here's another term that pitchers use sometimes, the up and in, down and away options.

It's called rocking chair. Up, down, up and down. That's a Jeremy Hefner word he calls him a rocking chair guy because a lot of guys that can be opposite of that too especially right-handers so a lot of right-handers are right hand or rocking chair guys and he managed and he hits the middle of the plate all the way up and down from all pitches fairly well so it's like got to be the corners like just elevating and going below the zone isn't a great solution for him. It's about going in and about going out and there's a lot of guys that function in that way too. JD

Martinez is a prime example of that. You want to just stay to the edges you're okay but if you leave it in the middle he kills it. So I was like okay fast balls in. To be honest the pitch he hits the hardest the most often is the right on right changeup. It's the one he hits those mistakes, he hits them the hardest. Slider he's actually pretty dang good at overall, just in terms of damage. So I wanna know like in a damage situation,

if I'm determining what type of risk I'm gonna take, I wanna know which pitch performs better. He hits the fastball a little harder, but it's pretty close with the slider and that's not always the case, but he has a much higher average. So I'm's pretty close with the slider. And that's not always the case, but he's a much higher average. So I'm gonna be careful with my slider. And by the way, this is for sliders that move like mine,

which mine wasn't a crazy good whiff rate slider too. So keep that in mind. This is the interesting thing. So he hits them in all counts, but especially poorly when you're ahead. So this is right here is the, when the pitcher's ahead situation, slider is open. The time he's hitting the slider the hardest

is when the pitcher's behind, which is weird. That's usually not it. So like three one counts, two one counts, one oh counts, he hits sliders the hardest in those counts because I think he sees them the most. He hits the down and away,

he gets to that spot down and away better. You see the miss down here in the bottom, that goes away with when he is ahead in the count, which is interesting because usually it's the opposite. They're trying to fight it off because they're getting it later. When you're trying to get back on the count and you're a slider guy,

that's the one he takes advantage on as guys feel comfortable doing that and you shouldn't with him. Change-ups are a better pitch in that situation. So I'm trying to get ahead with fast balls up and in. I'm going to try to dot down and away with the fast ball. He tends to take that a lot lot doesn't like to swing at it He's got very little swing early in counts

And then I am gonna try to use the change up in mid counts or when I'm ahead or sorry change up when I'm behind Or in an even count and go to the slider late So like pitching kind of traditionally and if you really really really want to miss fastball up and is the only your only real chance He doesn't really change really chase sliders. And so you gotta try to get him out in his zone. He's not, he's handling him, especially this year, really, really well, he's battling late. So you want soft contact, that's when you typically have

when you're like, got him to roll over to shortstop. That's considered a win with Bobby Witt. So it makes me sad about the change up. I would like to use my change up a lot to righties. Usually that's a good way to go, but he absolutely kills them and they have to be really, really well placed. But if you're behind 3-1 or whatever, you want to throw a change-up in a fastball count, that's the pitch. That's the time to throw it. But any other count, stick with slider fastball.

Yeah. It didn't seem like there were a lot of easy openings to work against Witt. It makes sense because he's hitting 344, the 390 OBP and a 593 slug this year. It's just crazy, he's got to this next level so quickly. I thought what we saw last year was probably closer to a peak, and nope, not even close. This has been a whole level beyond that. But the thing that's also interesting about Witt,

I was looking at the baseball savant page. If he played in any other ballpark other than Kansas City, he'd have more home runs. He's been cheated out of probably a half dozen homers, his expected homers versus his actual homers, that's a minus five. Like just- Oh wow.

It's wild, right? So you look at like the expected home runs by Park across the board. He actually has 18. I think if all of his games were in Kansas City, he'd have 17. Everywhere else, he'd have at least 20. If he played in Cincinnati, he'd have 31. If he played in Milwaukee, he'd have 29. If he played in Anaheim, he'd have 26.

Played in Yankee Stadium, he had 25. So the numbers that Witts put in together are probably just being suppressed by that ballpark. This is an MVP caliber player for sure. You said something in our meeting that I kind of made my ears perk up. Do you think he could maybe catch judge? You think he might be the the best bet to win the AL MVP given importance to the team and just the way he does it? Yeah, that's the interesting thing is how the Royals pan out

for the rest of the season. They finish really strong and they get into the playoffs and maybe surprise some people and they're who we're talking about going into the playoffs. I think that might get him in the situation. Now, if Aaron Judge keeps doing exactly at the pace he's doing, I just don't think he is catchable because he's not just a DH either. He's out there playing the outfield, plays very good outfield. But Bobby Witt is like, he's doing. I just don't think he is catchable, because he's not just a DH either,

he's out there playing the outfield, plays very good outfield. But Bobby Witt is like, he's doing everything at such a high level, and he's so important to his team. Like we were mentioning how Gunnar Henderson's a little bit on the outside looking in. I think even though he started in the All-Star game,

he's probably farther away, because his big thing is the pop, and he's just not gonna catch Aaron. So if we're comparing their home run totals, he's just not gonna get to judge's home run totals, the judge's gonna have the edge. But Bobby's doing things that a judge isn't doing. He's got 50 points of average on him.

He's like the defensive wizard on their team. He runs the bases. He's got pop and he's producing, he's scoring runs and hitting runs. And he's doing everything for that team. So that's how he sneaks in, but just Aaron judge is doing something like, he's on pace for that team. So that's how he sneaks in. But just Aaron Judge is doing something like, he's on pace for like 65 homers and like a historic season,

like a Barry Bond season. And I don't see the only way he catches him is gonna be through a little bit of momentum and hype with his team. Yeah, and I know a lot of times we see teams that are very top heavy as the Yankees are where you have two of the three best players by war in the same lineup in the American League, that is.

They split votes sometimes. That works against you having a teammate that good. So maybe Soto pulls a few votes away from Judge and that's part of how Witt could get there as well. And I think the supporting cast in Kansas City, while it's better than people expected, it's not on the same level as what Gunnar Henderson has with the Orioles not on the same level of what Soto and Judge even have With the Yankees despite all the complaints recently about the lack of production around those guys. So just a Remarkable season so far from Bobby Witt jr. And I thought we saw a finished product last year. That is not the case

By the way, I was looking to see if there's any other updates before we go. I'm just waiting And I thought we saw a finished product last year. That is not the case. By the way, I was looking to see if there's any other updates before we go. Cause I'm just waiting. I wanna know more about this Christian Yeller situation. We don't have anything like that going down right now. But I just saw coming through from the Live Hive, Skeens is getting down to like a plus 350

for the NL Cy Young, which is remarkable for a rookie to just make that much of a movement this fast. I don't think he'll be able to do it this year, but a couple pitching injuries, I guess, could leave the door open, as Frederick points out in the stream here. I mean, sub two ERA, sub one whip, well over a K per inning.

He's laying the groundwork for sure. Not a bet I would make, but interesting to see nonetheless. No other questions from the live hive today, Trevor. So I think we can actually wrap this one up here. Got anything? On time. On time, we're never on time. We're never on time.

Eno never shuts up, guys. And now we finally got to a point where we could finish the show on time. Eno never shuts up, guys. And now we finally got to a point where we could finish the show on time. Yeah, for me. We saved nine minutes. You got anything you're looking at this weekend though? Big series for you leading to the deadline? I am looking really heavily at the Yankees Red Sox series.

I'm doing the Nerdcast this Sunday as well for them. So that's LinkedIn, but I want some trades to start happening so I can start predicting some dominoes. I know this trade line's a little bit harder than maybe the more recent ones in the past, but man, predicting trades is hard. I don't know, anyone does this.

Feels like you're just throwing Scrabble tiles against the wall and seeing what sticks. But big part of me, I know it's become my job to talk about a lot, but big part of me is like, I just want to sit back and just enjoy the whirlwind that's about to happen and then start talking about where people landed and then what that means moving forward.

So I'm excited for that. I'm tired of projecting and I want to know where they're going so I can move on, but gotta be patient for that. So just gonna enjoy some baseball for the rest of this week. We'll be going live Tuesday night, 6.30 Eastern, I believe is when we're, 5.30 Eastern. We're gonna go live 30 minutes before the deadline.

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