RAWTALK - 7x Mr Olympia Phil Heath Vs Ronnie Coleman, The Healthiest Way to do Steroids...

Episode Date: March 27, 2024

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Pretty crazy. But crazy in a good way. I was able to do, you know, a Sunday chat with Arnold himself, along with Ronnie and Jay and legends. So it's still surreal for me, you know, like being a fan of those guys and being able to just. chop it up like yeah like we're all homies so it's just dope man yeah me Lee Haney Arnold I mean dude he's Jay Ronnie right here I'm like how many Olympias combine is that because it's Ronnie has eight you have seven it's around 30 right so around half of the amount of titles yeah between just four or five of us five of us crazy it's it's stupid

He just ran the sport of bodybuilding for like one of the better half of how many decades like three four three so what does that like honestly because like for me obviously I'm in the fitness space as a completely different sort of you know newer addition as far as like influencer and like doing all these videos and you know because I did compete which is funny I was looking back at some of the first um competitions that I did back in 2011 that was a very first time I actually met you at a San Diego show where I did I won first and overall in men's physique obviously not. bodybuilding. And I remember taking a picture with you backstage in the pump-up room. Because you must have been like, I think you were guest posing or something. That was at John Lindsay's show, I think, down there.

I just remember being like, this dude's fucking huge. Right after Olympia, man. Yeah. Were you wearing red? I had, no, wait. I don't even remember kind of shorts. I think I had there were rainbow shorts. Yeah, so I just have a funny thing. Like, I can remember certain colors.

but nah bro like that obviously that was a great time to get into the sport in my opinion for you yeah you know i mean we it was a brand new division yeah that was like that was like the third fourth show or something like that yeah and especially being in cali i mean you guys always tend to have you know really well-run shows and a lot of good competition so i mean yeah 2011 winning the Olympia going to India

a week after that was the hardest thing because I ain't never competed a week after any show like that you know what I'm saying like travel wise and then going to a different country

going against the same dudes that want to get get some get back after you just beat them for sure and then you know everybody's like okay so now that's over

now when I'm like I still got a staying in shape bro because yeah I've always been so curious at that level like what what are you i mean obviously you have your diet you know your your comp prep diet and all this stuff changes the drugs all this kind of like i just at that level um i think a lot of people have a perception of bodybuilding that i don't know is necessarily true and i've always kind of wanted to talk about this with people who've done this

and a lot of people don't like to talk about it but like right the gear stuff because obviously you know we know people who've come and gone as far as like, you know, maybe going a little too hard in the sport, even outside of the sport, in connection to the sport, body. Yeah, there are things that would link to it maybe. Yeah. So what is that like? Because so much of your life after, obviously after you did the college basketball stuff and you stop that and then you're doing bodybuilding and it's involved in this, you know,

the steroids and this. Did you ever run a lot of stuff or was it like? minimal stuff or did you, did you go through a phase of where you did X amount and then you're like, I don't need this. And I just always wondered the process on that. It's almost like a combination of everything you said except extreme amounts of stuff. First of all, I think what happened for me. Because people look at guys like you, they're like, I don't interrupt it. I'm sorry, but they're like, yo, he's got to be on everything under the sun, right? And I think that's speaking on one's insecurity number one, number two, they have to ask themselves, were you ever

an elite athlete growing up yeah and for how long and what could you do what feeds of strength how fast were you were you even all state like these guys are jv yeah these guys are jv doing this you know talking this madness right and were they what athletes were they around when they were growing up i mean for me i was always around athletes growing up just in my neighborhood alone we had Nate burleson yeah we had his brother Kevin we had Nate Robb we had Jamal Crawford Jason Terry. So you're saying in the relationship of like what's possible? We just had like a lot of people.

Absolutely. So you get to see like, wow, this person's fast. This person's strong. Okay. So the competitive nature kept your ass in the gym or on the field. Now, to answer your question, I mean, I was competing naturally against guys that weren't. Yeah. And that wasn't by choice.

My friend, shout out to Josh Crandall and John Bauer out of Colorado. They were just like, hey, you should do this bodybuilding. I ended up doing it. I'm at the show. the day of the show i'm like hey i gotta go take a piss where i go pee at you know to go do the drug test and they're like ain't no drug test yeah i was like word like you there and they're like ah see if we had told you beforehand you would have never done it when i i did two shows yeah i did the northern colorado and then i did the mr colorado my first year um i won the overall i won

every title in my first show the second show i won my weight division but didn't you win the overall lost by like a point or something yeah after that i was like you know if i were to do something now would be the time because i kind of proved myself yeah i kind of seen like what's out there as far as like you know top level physique at least on the local amateur level yeah and i was already beating guys that were taking stuff so i started off with just a little bit of test and um what's a little bit of test when i say a little bit of test that means one cc a week of test like yeah say a little bit that was once he see a deca a week yeah that was a cycle yeah and it worked it's it's interesting because i've seen photos of you playing college basketball i think you had these like crazy calves

you just had crazy there's always genetic outliers just period where people heard i mean like ronnie coleman from what i understood before he ever got on also just looked like a freak bodybuilder already he played football jacked and i know that for a fact because you know he went to grambling right Yeah. So I had family that played there, too, that went there as well. And so background on my family is, we're all from the deep south. My mom's from Zachary, Louisiana. My dad was from Dallas, Fort Worth.

All my family either went to Southern or Grambling. And they would tell me about Ronnie, and I'm like, was he really Jack like? They're like, bro, like he was huge. I just got the lottery on genetics. You too, though. I just got, I mean, we found our calling basically because, you know, Ronnie did, he wouldn't playing on Sundays. He wouldn't play on Sundays in NFL.

But, you know, God had a better purpose for him. And thank God it did happen that way because we would have never seen the feats of strength. Ronnie Coleman is definitely an anomaly because we have never seen someone. I mean, you're strongest. And I got to shout you out on that. Their shit, people have asked me like, you train. I was like, fuck, no, I ain't doing lifting girls in dumb bills. I was like, nah,

nah, but I'll look like it. Yeah, no, yeah. But Ronnie could do both. Yeah, I remember that's, and he was one of the first people I saw. I was like, whoa, I want to be like this. That's when I really got in the bodybuilding. Yeah, he's just,

it's wild what the body can do, right? And the motivation and all that. But as far as the gear stuff, I mean, I always kept it minimal because I was already beating guys that were taking stuff. Like a lot. When I say a lot, we're talking about,

you know a couple grams to test a week and I've a couple grams but let's keep it real like there's a lot of dues man that if they were to be hit with a lie detector they're like oh yeah I run I run that right now I think the problem was was that when people were able to get

all different types of stuff it's like yeah okay you could pick any car you're not going to just pick one you're going to pick 10 yeah so with the gear I think what happened at least for me was did I have access yes but then I was more just like a in a way I wouldn't call myself a savant but I was like well what does winnie do what does Primo do what does this do what is that I don't need all of it at once like I need to understand what's its main purpose yeah because I'm just trying to run this race the fastest time in this race

for the Olympic final I don't need to be running it you know off season yeah you know just to look swole for vanity purposes my whole thing was just for competition and it worked you know i will say the insecurities do set in when you are um i was already winning the olympia and i remember going against kai and i had heard all these different cycles that he was doing right and guys on the east coast i mean they may not like to hear this from me being a west coast guy but they're usually harder for a reason i've heard this you know what i'm saying and i'm like man what's he taking you know what i'm saying because you're just curious

and sometimes you're like i don't want to hear this shit but at some point i was like man i just want to know and i heard i was like man i can't i can't do that i've heard crazy things about about kai as well i obviously i've never spoken in depth to him about it and it's not to shout him out in a negative way but like we all hear things it was more just like the east coast guys taking more grams of this and grandma here 12 i use of growth or insulin and all this other shit I'm just like, man, that just sounds like a lot of pinning. I mean, even as I'm explaining it, it's just a lot.

I can't believe that also this is another caveat. I think people don't understand because we started talking about gear. People get all like, they start listening like, oh, I need to do this and that. This is not for everyone. Like some people just genetically clearly can take a lot more of that what would damage a lot of normal people. Oh, 100%. If it was easy, everybody would be good.

At the end of the day, I mean, we see the barrier of entry going into a gym, bring in their tripod and they can train but then you see the other person do the same thing and now they're running a real stack but they all only get to a certain level right and more most of them they choose not to compete because they realize they're probably still not good enough

because they ain't going to train this hard they're not going to diet as well they don't also understand that it's the nutrient timing with the gear that help you know achieve a certain desire result and the lighting you know all those things like so many different nuances that you you can't control um you have to know how to deal with and

you know for for me I was very fortunate because I got to see man now I think about it I'm glad we're talking about this you know I grew up in Seattle Washington inner city you know late you know in the 80s and early 90s and stuff where you know gang banging was the thing right just same out here you know same out in Cali And you get to see people making wrong decisions.

Well, I got to see people make bad decisions with that. And I get to see bad decisions be made with just regular drugs and steroids. Yeah. So it made me be hesitant on just saying, well, I'm just going to take everything. In fact, I've said it before. Someone want to throw me some money. We do the lie detector. I did the 2007 Arnold Classic.

And then I placed fifth. And I remember looking at my coach and he was like, well if you can get another off season we can try some growth and I was like what's that yeah and this in 2007 okay this is literally what's the year 17 year god I know it's tripping me out too I know I know I know time's crazy old now so my wife's gonna hate it when she hears me say it she's like stop saying how I mean you're not old but yeah but done this for a lot longer yeah you know so you know I said okay that off-season, you know, just a couple I used twice a day. I went from off-season of like

250 to 270 and it was like ripped. You know, I'm already round. So now I just look more cartoonish. Yeah. And it helped. You know, and if you look at the pictures from 2007 Arnold Classic and then 2008 Arnold Classic, it's a clear difference. But the point I'm making is, especially to the young adults that are, you know, listening and watching, is that imagine giving yourself this much time to actually make that jump. This, yeah, we really got to talk about this because I think if we talk about this, it's important, we also say most kids nowadays, because it's, it's like almost like a joke on the internet to joke about like trend and test and all this stuff, it's, it's become this

like, I had a kid come up to me once at my gym and say, yo, I want to get on a cycle. I'm like, oh, of what? He's like, I want to get on trend. These are his words exactly. Am I new gym? His first cycle. Not only his first cycle, I said, okay, how long you've been training for? A little over a year.

Wow. And I'm just like, and so I say, well, why do you want to do it? And his, and this is a crazy thing, but it makes sense of social media. Like, I think that I can get sponsors. And so you have this whole new draw of like why people would do things where they're not actually competing in the sport of body, which you don't, you don't have to, right? Because you could still get a lot out of social media. But the thing that I always found interesting was before I ever did anything, I spent years in the gym. Right.

Years in the gym. Yeah. And like I learn all the details of like, you know, obviously I'm still learning. We continue to learn. But I learn like, okay, am I drinking enough water? Am I getting enough sleep? Am I eating enough? Am I timing my meals around my workouts? Yeah, you're literally more focused on your macros and making sure you're doing that consistently before you start adding in different compounds which if you're this kid you don't know if it's made out of the bathtub yeah or man bro so i waited for a long time again i'm glad i'm out this combo with you i waited for such a long time to talk about this stuff because like i i never felt good speaking about it because there was there was never really a place to kind of share this stuff without

saying like hey there's also these really great companies like transcend i know you work with them and I started recently working with them that you could actually go to and get so much value and do things the right way because that's the scariest thing that I can't tell a kid yo bro don't ever do this

knowing where I've been but like I could say hey like be safe get your blood work done before you ever do it At the very least You gotta know what's going on with your body 100% I mean

going into that look I didn't get blood work done my first cycle it wasn't up until right before I turned pro where I was like you know what I need to I need to know what that's telling me yeah and that was because a friend of mine wasn't well and um I was at least and you know I turned pro without hawny yeah I didn't even have a coach um but when I started working with him he made it mandatory which I was I was like thank God like at least I know this person um cares about my health, right? Yeah. And having those markers are, you know, making sense out of that,

all the endocrinology makes sense. And then, you know, post shows and when working with transcend post-career, I should say, it's made an amazing difference in my overall well-being. But I've told, I've told staff, I've told the owner Ernie, I said, man, where the hell were you 10 years ago? I was going to say. Because, man, if I would have been there, Like, like, you think it would have, you think it would have, uh, lengthen your career? I think it would have, well, for me, though, because a lot of things came into play, right? You know, I had the hernias and all that stuff. So I still would have probably had that. I wanted you to get eight so bad, dude.

Shit, you. Because that's like, well, I appreciate you for saying that. Because that was the, like, that's the number to, you know? Man, that was that. It's a number that haunts me. I bet. It is a number that haunts me in a good way now back then, like, like a few even a year ago it haunted me in bad way yeah just because i felt like i wouldn't say a failure but you're just like it's like first all you can't be a failure you got seven of them but the way i think i get it because yeah you wouldn't you wouldn't be there if you didn't have

that mentality well it's the fact that you know i always felt like as you get better or more famous in something the micro lens increases so like no one if you notice online and man we're jumping around but i hope everybody can keep up because i know you get it everybody nowadays calls oh bradley's the goat he's the goat she's the goat it's like are you serious none of us are the go there's not that many goats there's not that many guys it's not like that and it's because of the participation medal and we're just trying to give out we're just trying to give out terms of endearment but at the same time man like if you're really the goat man you should be able to handle criticism

at the highest level and you know I did I had to handle a lot and it was very difficult getting ready for those contests knowing that I've showed the audience

something that is unbelievable but it's so crazy that that next year if I don't do the same thing it's looked at as trash or something like that I didn't do anything almost you know I think it's almost

synonymous to let's say the slam dunk contest. Let's start there. A person back in the day when we were children dung it from the free throw line, he gets a 50. You do that today. You're getting a 45. Yeah, everyone does it.

And nobody, but then no one even claps. See, that's the problem. Not everybody can do the free throw line dunk, right? Not everybody. Yeah. Still, not everybody can do it. Otherwise, we've seen it nonstop on social. There's a select group of people

that have decided to try it right but it's the judges the judges will be like that's nothing i'm like whoa so we've in a way that's great because we've advanced but imagine how that may feel if you're the dunker you're like wait a minute last year i just went between the legs behind the back and did this dunk and now i'm i'm going to do it next year and i'm going to get a 48 instead of a 50 yeah and and this guy over here can just do a regular basic dunk and he gets a 48 what the hell it's it's just tough man you know there's so many different ways of looking at it it's like how lebron james can drive through the paint and totally get fouled but they won't call it because they say well he can take it to me it's bullshit it a foul's a foul but with phil heath it's like all right well he showed us this

this and this but we want it more so we're going to kind of like put them on the same level as you know it's like taking your ferrari and putting it down where an amg mercedes is it's like whoa whoa yeah because they No, like you guys are AMG, that's cool. That's a really nice vehicle, but this, you know, SF90. They just expect more, which is interesting because from outside looking in because I was always a fan, massive fan of bodybuilder, and you, you kind of started to become like a villain. 100%.

Do you remember that? What was that like? I loved it. You loved it. At first, well. Why, though? I didn't get why. Why did, why was I claimed as a villain?

Yes. I never really understood that I didn't either I think it was because at some point we well I think at some point people hate to see the same guy win

yeah you know it's because you it's because you're light skin you got light eyes they didn't like that nice skin light eyes you know it's super jack super jack good credit

never been to jail they were mad bro yeah they were pissed they're like college educated got a degree in IT like what the fuck is this this guy's got it all no it's it's

It's because of the fact that I'm whipping their ass and I'm being asked every year. Can you do it? And I'm like, what the fuck you mean can I do it? I just did it last time. Let me show you again. And I'd say it like that. But the way I think, I'm just answering the question. Now, did I add a little spice to it?

I'm still selling a show. It's not like I'm getting paid to sell the show, but I am kind of just trying to hype it up a little bit. Yeah. To make it exciting because to me, when I was on stage, I was winning with perfect scores. That's probably not exciting for a lot of people. Yeah. But I think it was around the time after Generation Iron came out with their documentary, people started to get like very chippy about like everything. Like Kai Green would say, oh, he's the gift.

He's got nothing but gifts. And this is how he is. And I'm struggling and he's not. And a lot of fans fell, they fell for the trick. They fell for the OK-doke. They fell for the fact that they thought he was now once before racks and riches, right? But not in that present time. and they just respected the underdog so instead of me being about it or stay because i bitched about

for a little bit i was like do these guys not understand these fans that get it and i was like Phil like this is people watch wwe and they follow along like this drama so just let them follow the drama and what year was this as well 2013 yes the movie was filmed in 2012 and it was featured the day after i won my third sand out and i watched the film with fans and they didn't know i was there and bob trickerillo was hosting and he said hey everybody phil he's here and people were like clapping and i think they were like oh uh what did he see so i was like hey did you guys like the movie they're like yes i and i just cut to the chase i was like which which one of y'all thought i was a complete yeah i thought i was like damn it's like that i but did they did they paint

you that way on purpose on the in oh for sure they did i think every director and and producer uh has a agenda and an intention yeah um everything couldn't just be jolly go lucky thing it just couldn't be that way i don't think it would have been entertaining i think they probably figured well the easiest uh the lowest hanging fruit is to do this to create strife and yeah that and and let's do that and you know what i'm glad they did in the end like now i'm sitting almost 10 years removed from it i'm glad they did because um it did spark that fire in me it did let me understand that people can have uh different intentions and instead of making a documentary they made a docu drama that made that painted you in a bad light but i was i was willing

to change it up and you know i said well they're going to treat me like now or at least look at me like some villain why don't i just be the villain and see what that happened see how that works i've seen it happen in wrestling yeah let's do it in real life so it's also around the time that social media really started to like just start to pick up yeah so that was that was that was painful because i still was dealing with the bitterness of like the lack of logic i'm like how the do you guys not realize that the person who you think is a like broke is a joke is a joke and he's a bum and this and that. Literally just play second at the Olympia.

Literally just won two Arnold classics. And he's sponsored by Wheater. He's sponsored by muscle meds at the time. He's traveling around the world and you think he's broke? Like, I mean, yeah, it's a good story. There's, there's, so for, like, for me, I was just dealing with that part. Like, how can you guys not see this? Were you getting hate comments?

Like, oh, I get, bro, I was getting that. pretty hard um so again i i took it in stride i was like you know what um let me use it as fuel because it did build my fan base too because some of my fans they did get it they're just like just saw a guy driving a BMW down the street what are you talking about you know yeah he's fine um well we and you know some people are going to ride with the uh with the champ some people are going to ride with the underdog some people just want to ride with both and see what happens yeah um i was very fortunate again to have a nemesis like kai to push me in that regard and i know i pushed him we we i was i was also trying to make money out of it because i saw an opening i was like wait

a minute yeah how about instead of the gift which was my nickname at the time changing into something else like anti-hero whatever i just called myself the the dream killer i was like oh yeah i remember i remember all that stuff you remember that shit yeah and that that put me on an island because I remember being on tour and stuff like that a lot of other athletes weren't just like hanging out you know wanting to like visit with me and stuff they didn't know what to think I think they just saw my serious demeanor yeah as like man don't talk to Phil man he's a dick dude or like whatever and it's more like how even the David Goggins would like present himself it has nothing to do with you it has all to do with me yeah going against myself and my demons and my and still showing up every day at the at the top of the world that what I decided to do and there's nothing you can do about it I can go through any type of hardship and I'm proving to you that I'm willing to be a champion because I prove it to myself all the time but it was that part the the the dream killer part was dope man because even as I talked to you about it bro like you remember when um shit is coming up uh when we were

at body power. Yeah. And you guys are doing that group workout. Yeah. And so that guy got millions. We get me and you in the thumbnail. Yeah. Yeah.

She got like 10, 12 million views. And we were all jacked. I mean, man, see, that was probably the best collab. Because I haven't been a part of many. Yeah.

But I would say that was the best collab because it was around my prime. Yeah, you were huge. Kai's prime as well. Yeah. It was me, you, Kai, Dana. Dana, Rob, Ulysses. Yeah, Ulysses.

And we were all just in each other's space, and it was just good energy. And I remember being at that gym. This in the UK, by the way. Yeah. And I'm thinking, Kai's here. Everybody else is here.

And then I thought, man, I'm cool with Robin Dana. Why wasn't I invited to this group meetup? And I'm thinking, Phil, you probably were years before, but you just didn't respond because of who they were friends with. Yeah. And I'm like, well, you know what I'm going? going to do because I'm the I'm the alpha in this you know I'm the king I'm just going to be cool whatever you know what I mean like easy just make it make everybody calm and realize that I'm I'm the

same we're all the same don't let the beef with Kai and I fuck it all I ain't gonna that up no more so that's when I was like I remember Kai was doing um he was doing chest he was doing like some cable crossovers and I just went over to him and started working in with him yeah and I remember and I have to ask you but I just remember when I did that everybody was like yeah because we thought you guys really did not like each other like genuinely didn't like each other yeah was that like was that real beef i can feel like at some point it got real it was real i think most mostly because of our fans making it more real yeah you know like being in high school you know someone talks shit about you yeah about me now at we're at

lunchtime looking at each other up you know what i yeah yeah yeah by 315 start you know at school we're in the parking lot getting ready to fight and we don't even We don't know why. It's gone by everyone. Yeah. And I felt like that with Kai. But I also knew that I was standing in his way. And I have to acknowledge someone's angst, someone's, you know, anger towards someone who they're saying,

this is the only motherfucker that I have to beat to be the best, the best in the world at something. Do you think he should have won an Olympia? he could have beat me in 2014 if he didn't start that fight i think he would have gotten some points on friday where it would have been even going into saturday yeah um because i wasn't on on um but neither was he and i think that's where you know i think fans always look at like because it's a two-day show so you have friday and you have saturday i always look better on saturday but that friday I just had a feeling that Kai was going to show up

and do something silly because we had that press conference where I gave him the three facts and all that shit and I knew right away that he and I were probably going to get into it and we did

and that made our bodies just completely washed that cortisol shit probably was so bad I remember looking at him and I'm like I know he's looking and damn he looks like shit if he's looking that bad

I know I'm looking bad too so we didn't have another comparison in that Friday. So I'd say the only chance he had was that year. But look, I mean, he beat me at the Arnold Classic in 2010.

I was up by three after prejudging. I lost by seven, which is a 10-point swing. I don't know how the, the judges got that one wrong. That makes no sense, by the way. Yeah.

It's the largest point swing in bodybuilding history just for contacts in a one-day show, six hours apart. So that's what I, this is why I didn't go more into competing, I was like, there's, it's other going on. Like, I don't, because it's such

subjective sport. That is, it became, well, subjective, but then it can be objective. You know, I think it's tough, man. Like, would you say, would you say that, I mean, clearly you've won, it's not like, I'm not taking away anything of, of your winnings and what you've done, but would you say that sometimes they favor

people more than others? Because I felt like that. I could say that they, especially early back then. I could say they could, because if you make it look easy for them to see something right like it let me backtrack all right so on a two day show or even a one day show if you come out there and prejudging you can just knock them dead yeah and you really nail it you're pretty much in the driver's seat unless you're up right or let or unless if your body can't hold it um which is rare i think but we i will say when you give the judges an opportunities with you because you didn't bring it in the first half of the show oh man all

bets are off yeah i think all bets are off i think they get it right majority of the time i feel like now they have to get it right i think they have to now i mean you know i would hate to be a judge right now because of social media i hate i mean they get hate mail they really do get hate mail i was just with some of them this past weekend and i don't envy them it's it's extremely it's actually man because a lot of these guys are like in their 60s and these judges aren't like driving bentleys and shit you know what i'm saying they're just doing it for the love of it right yeah and yeah they've made a business out of it by promoting shows but to judge sit there and judge they're not getting paid what people think you know right right and to take that type of abuse nor nor should they

even if they're getting paid a million bucks you know i mean they get called some really because they've seen it they're like phil check this out i'm like oh this is so awful And, and you know what's crazy with this sport is that people can find you. Yeah. They can show up at your gym. Especially with the fucking internet now. They can really, I mean, you can't really find, you can't just go up to the Lakers facility and wait outside for, you know, you just can't.

Like, they got security and stuff. Like, you get your ass kicked, you know, but like out here, like, no, they'll find you at your gym, your store, whatever. So, you know, but I will say the judges, I tell competitors this. I will never leave it close because if you think that they're going to just because you won something before that they're going to give you grace for please they can't they just can't and I don't feel like I'm throwing anyone under the bus by saying this but with social media you know I've talked to some judges and they say we don't look at the internet I'm like how can

you not yeah I mean I mean I would like I remember doing the Olympia and as soon as I got off stage, and this is like 2015, 2016, I'm in my hotel room looking at photos for like two hours. Shaking my head saying what the fuck, like, because you got like five different photographers.

Yeah. Some use filters, some don't. Some catch, and they're only fragments of a moment. Right. Time. So one person has you not flex. The other one does. And now they don't posted it up and now you got a zillion comments. And then you're hoping that a judge doesn't look at

this because you're like like until the next show the next day right because you they could say well i could see that i could see this fan's point yeah i can see their point you think you think they would i mean that sucks so because then like allow that not it's not necessarily tampering but it's like you're changing the sort of perspective you can change the narrative on anyone if you give them an image like that i i truly believe it we're still humans right yeah you have to be one extremely disciplined person which i do but like i said i believe the judges are very very very very very discipline because you have to sit there if i'm only on stage for like a few minutes they're there for at least three hours staring at bodies yeah you got to have a trained eye to get it right

99.9% of the time sitting there for three hours man like yeah referees don't get it right you know and they're in the game but um yeah i i don't envy them i do think that for me i i feel like things got swayed a little bit because um and it and this happened to rony this happened to jay this happened to dorian they just didn't have it with social media yeah um dorian tore a bicep tricep you know consecutive years and people had to wait three months until to see the photos in the magazine to even bitch about it so different right so different ronnie coleman they would say okay you know he's a little bloated this year blah blah blah but the results were already in you know Jay Culler, they would say, okay, his waist is blocky, he's like a fridge.

But, like, those are things that people said online just because they didn't like them. Yeah. And maybe there was some truth to it, but that's them nitpicking that out of these guys. Yeah. They're not talking about how Jay Culler can't even walk through your fucking house, you know, because he's so damn wide. You know what I'm saying? They're not talking about the quads. Yeah.

They're not talking about Ronnie's back and his chest and his shoulders. It's all negative. It's just the most negative thing. And I think I was talking to somebody about this over the Arnold Classic weekend. It's like, potty building is like seriously one of the most negative in sports of all time. But we sign up for it. I know. It's the only sport where you'll literally sign up to get on, you know.

But it's the, you know, I have to ask myself, well, why'd you do it? It's because the fact that you can transform your physique into something special. Yeah. You know, and you can inspire a lot of people while doing that. because they want to seek, seek that power from within as well. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think, and this is a theoretical, I've always wanted to ask you this,

you and your prime, I love those shoes, by the way. I just saw those. Oh, you noticed. Those are my favorite Jordans. Really? My favorite Jordans of all time. Did you see I had to bring with the Laker dollars? Those are tough as shit.

I know what I was going to bring. I had some other heat for you, just because, because you know I was a shoe you had, right? Yeah. Yeah. I laid off. I laid off for a while. Wife, you got pissed.

She was like, she was like, enough. Thank you. Yeah, but theoretically speaking, who would win in their prime? You were Ronnie Coleman. I've always, that was like,

yeah, I had to ask this shit. The bodybuilder has to be mad if I didn't ask this one. It's like, we're dealing with this code. I don't want to break it. I feel like,

um, we have to go, who was the best in our era. Of course, I was. Ronnie was. Yeah. But I will say

there has to be so you gotta line up all of the wins and this is how I think about it. So I was talking to Hawny about one day because he was in Ronnie's camp. So I said

when he was working with Chad. Right. So I said, okay. Imagine if we put the pictures of us both and we get to choose our prime. you know we get like let's say five isn't it tough though too because it's like

it's so different in person of course it is this is what's we'll never be able to see it yeah but I mean of course people are going to go with 98 Olympia 99 Olympia 01 Arnold 03 Olympia

I think that's four I think four is enough for Ronnie like those different physiques yeah I got to throw in I got to throw in 2011 Mr. Olympia I got to throw in

shit I got to be honest I'll throw in 2012 I'll throw in 2013 Mr. Olympia I'll throw in 2016 Olympia and I'll even go as far as throwing number 2017 Olympia so you take all of those and we'll give like Ronnie let's say like 04

or maybe 05, 05, because he was, like, ripped. Like, I was there. So you got those five cards. I got these five cards, and we just battle it out. I think I'm going to win one. Yeah. I don't know which one, but you, you know what I'm saying? So I think when people put, and it depends on how we're looking at it.

It's like, you know, they'll tell me like, hey, you were missing this or this but I'm like but the standards back then they didn't even think about that so I would have dominated back then yeah we got this also something we got to talk about is the transition of body building we'll talk about I just want to hear your answer but yeah no it's

trust me it's hard and I'm a fan of Ronnie's yeah you know what I'm saying so I don't feel like the most I ever competed at was um 248 this man competed around 300 so it's just but I've also but then I have to tell me something like Phil but you beat guys like Ram and who are 3002. Yeah. You know, so

don't like shit on yourself just because you love Ronnie so much, but I would never just look Ronnie in the eye and be like, you know, I could fuck you up, right? You know what I'm saying? Like, that's just stupid. Like, that's just messed up. What I will say is that I have created a legacy

that Ronnie respects and that he didn't even say this to me, but I've seen it in interviews when people ask him like what do you think of like today's body bill he's like ah you know he kind of like chuckles a little bit like I'd have been all right I'd have whoop them they say what about Phil he goes oh he would have been right there yeah see so I'm good with that yeah I feel like that's true that that when I've heard out

on multiple occasions hearing that is like getting the nod from your idol you know like that's like you know we all know that the late Kobe Bryant got the nod from MJ yeah has LeBron got the nod yet I don't maybe you know what I'm saying so like you're one You know, but when you know you can get that nod, you know you're like right there as like, if he's the goat, maybe I'm like the Billy goat, like the little goat. You know what I mean? Yeah. Dude, I love it, man. So what's your relationship like with, with Jay? Because I think you guys have a good relationship. We have a really good relationship. It's obviously different now because we're not competing against each other, nor competing at all. So I love Jay, by the way. Jay's the man, dude. Solid is a man. I mean, like, Jay was the guest. are my first show and I've known them gosh I mean a very long time obviously so known them 21 years

coming up what I admire about Jay is his ability to be more than just a bodybuilder yeah I mean he just received a lifetime achievement award at the Arnold Classic and I think as much as we admire him as a bodybuilder

I don't think we all just talk about his competing days because he was losing a Coleman a lot yeah we talk about him just as a as a person who never gave up we talk about a person who has you know

his work ethic and his inner competitive spirit rivals he's second to none like in our sport yeah I mean and just the way he was brought up like he was always working we know him as the working class man not just bodybuilder I mean the guy works

and he works now like he's got his setup he's traveling the world he's doing the appearances you know he makes great money but like he earns nonstop and he's always here trying to give value to other people and i don't think a lot of people know this but jay um jay has helped many of us get guest posings get contracts or at least put us in position to do those things meaning he may not say hey hey bro i got you a deal with such and such he may talk to that company and see where they're at and next year you know you get a call yeah i think that's freaking dope yeah you know and i and it anyone that i aspire to be like like a j is a good dude obviously because i you know i adopted that philosophy as well like once you get to a certain

point where you can help another person earn you do it right and i'm learned that from him firsthand i mean he was the first person to ever tell me like hey this is what you charge this this is these are the people that you got to like make sure you take care of like you grandfathered them in with your fees and stuff these guys over here but like but i mean he was putting me on a lot of game and then just even recently like you know he's always taking care of others and i remember looking at my wife we were at we we had to eat after the freaking finals on Saturday after he was awarded the lifetime achievement award and you know my wife and I look at you I was like so I give it like we have like code and code was find a waitress pay for

the fucking meal before Jay does yeah you know what I'm saying yeah because he'll he'll end up paying and it was like nine of us you know yeah and he's done that and I'm like no so you know we're just hanging out he and I are just talking this and that and the next you know I was like all right ready roll and he's like no we got to pay I was like mm-hmm mm-hmm he was like you mother he was like come on man and I go are you seriously gonna like not accept someone buying you dinner on the night you just received this award from Arnold are you out of your mind but that's the type of guy he is yeah he's that guy you know he just he just is a giver and I can't say enough about him yeah yeah what's your perspective on the way bodybuilding's

changed and it's changing I feel like they moved away from like just being big obviously it was never just being big it was aesthetic it was conditioning all that stuff but i feel like with the the popularity in the rise of classic physique yes bumstead and these people in this category it seems like a lot of i mean the numbers speak for themselves i had pat bev on i was i was talking to him about seabum and you know the kind of following the kind of like engagement with someone like chris yeah um i think it's really starting to change the direction of just bodybuilding as a whole and i remember there was those sort of moments when Arnold was even making sort of seemed like slights at like the bigger stomachs and like the bigger physiques. Yeah. What's your take on that movement?

I think it was a smart move by them including that division. I had seen it already come into fruition in the UK years before we fully adopted it. Yeah. With the height and weight categories and stuff. Yeah. So it was no surprise, right? I find our federation being one of inclusion. So like when you have men's physique with the board shorts, now you got classic. But with classic, especially with Chris, I mean, he's, I mean, we always say, you know, I'm one of one,

you're one of one, everybody else is the same. Chris is definitely one of one. I think it's impressive what he's been able to do, his body of work along with the other you know champions other competitors yeah um the i think also because of them because of it being so new and it not being so based on like your size um it just it's just a different taste you know like you got a taste for men's physique got a taste for this you got a taste for open and in fact you're right open guys you know ended up having disproportionate physiques yeah and

it got out of hand um where do you think that really started uh you know i think it went in waves man i mean it's interesting because ronnie at one point would have been disproportionate but like he just he became that he became he introduced like the mass monster i think dorian yates man i blame him that's so funny i blame dorian dude because no here's a thing okay you had you had um Lee Haney, who phenomenal, right? That seemed like more of a classic physique, too. Right.

Yeah, straight up. But then who could compete with that? Yeah. No one. So he was going to get some shorter guys, right? You know, the rich aspires and Lee LaBradis and stuff. Then the ones that can have like the striated glutes and stuff, you know, a lot easier. Yeah.

You know, a bigger guy to get that. That's pretty hard. And it wasn't a standard, you know, saying they were wearing the posing trunks that were blooms, you know, like underwear. You know, like, you had, then you had Dorian who, he didn't have crazy strided glues, but he had, like, granite type of conditioning. Crazy, yeah. Just gnarly shit. And his glues were strided, no question about it.

But it was, he was beating guys like Flex Rueh, Kevin Lerone, Chris Carmier, Sean Ray. I feel like Flex really should have wanted Olympia too, man. See, that's the hard part for me is like, yes and no. I think maybe, but I think to be Mr. to be Mr. Olympia, you can. can't be close yeah you have to have the ability to knock people out you and you have to do it consistently do we really want one-time champions yeah no i don't say you hold someone back either but i say like if this is where it becomes you know subjective objective is like if someone is like right here i'm like i can't just give it to this dude just because he's right there i got to give

it to him because he's superior yeah and and um you know i think flex like and one of the greatest physiques we've ever seen but it's it's all about the timing yeah too like his timing his timing just didn't show up on the day of the contest whereas dorian and others were more prepared but yeah i blame dorian on the fact that you had to be a certain size you know what i'm saying because that dude was beating the more prettier physiques yeah and he outworked him and that's how he did it and all this other stuff, moving in to Ronnie Coleman. Ronnie Coleman just workhorse, and he had that roundness and he just f*** up everybody.

And then what I loved about Ronnie is that he did not let up. Yeah. He was like, nah, I'm going to outwork all of you. And I think just the evolution of his physique just outworking, outworking, outworking, outworking, he became bigger and bigger. And they rewarded it. Yeah. So you're going to keep getting bigger.

and you know to me unfortunately i think he got maybe too big but they were rewarding it so who cares um i don't know that his protocols or anything like that i can't even speculate i mean i guess i could but it wouldn't do me or him any justice because i could be completely wrong but i will say that you had to be like 300 pounds to even you know match up and that's why jay had to get that size as well yeah which he kind of I wouldn't say he regretted it but he knew that he had to be bigger but then you had the other guys that definitely didn't have the genetics to hold that weight like a marcus rule did not have the overall complete physique to right to be mr. limpid but was 300 pounds you had goon to slur camp who was you know like so what six one six two 300 pounds

um beat ronnie 2002 gnc show of strength but he can only do it then right uh wasn't the most complete dude but then you know i think fans or in the judges they say well the body king only go so far before it becomes distended or something's going to lack and i think that's what happened with ronnie and um yeah you know he got eight and once they decided to put it do a two show format that's the year that he lost that was the year that he uh showed also signs of of um the lat being torn yeah stuff like that um and then jay comes in wins and you know it was a great robbery at that time but you didn't see jay lose weight in fact jay weighed less to my calculations when he after he lost to dexter

because i think jay was like in that 270 range yeah and then he dropped like 10 pounds working with hawny i think he was like 257 258 and he looked bigger so for me it made me realize there's really no point in me ever getting the 300 pounds what was the heaviest you ever got to like 285 so same yeah i got to 283 and i was like like water buffalo like having to drink two gallons of water a day living in denver i didn't like that man dude it was uncomfortable i get uncomfortable thinking that that was smart. I did that one year and

I remember just thinking to myself you're already beating these guys. Why do this? This is very uncomfortable. So I then answered the question just like how I was explaining with Ronnie and Jay like you're just getting bigger

just because it's like you're already beating guys that are bigger. You don't need to get any bigger. or you just need to get better. But I want to look big in the shirt. You know what I'm saying? Walking out season and shit. I want to be big when I walk in a room.

What's big is these money trovees at the house. Yeah, but also it's weird because your perspective of big, especially in bodybuilding, just whether you're competing or not, like once you really start to get into it, it's like you're never good enough, which is one of the craziest things that happens. It's, I wouldn't say it's psychotic,

but yeah, it's insane because you're always critiquing the better yourself. I mean, you take a sure. shirt off and you're still yeah almost like disgusted yeah my legs it's I think as you get to that

that when you have your like peak condition for you like obviously stepping on stage and then seeing everything else you're like this is not I mean like did you ever at any point I felt like this was really interesting to me because I was blown up on social media

and you were Mr. Olympia and I was thinking to myself I was like and I'm and now I barely post just because I do so much other stuff other content and I should start posting more on Instagram. It's something I got to work on. But I remember thinking about you and being like, why does this person not post like all the time? He just fucking, I know he looks insane, even if it's not peak. Right. And I remember, I remember literally wondering that

on social media being like, this dude barely post. And you were like, you were the guy and you were just like, I was like, why does he not do this? Was there a reason? Was it because of the. Oh, man. This is like 2017. Oh, yeah. I mean, throughout my entire career. Yeah. I've always been private with that stuff. And number one, it was because I was, I signed an exclusive deal with the Wheater publications back in 05. And when social media came in, it wasn't that it was looked down upon,

but I was kind of getting a nudge here and there like, hey, save some of this shit. Because if you post this stuff, these folks may not buy tickets. Ah, shit. Because you're really ahead. Like, when we're, off camera I can show you like I have every picture of my freaking phone every one of them and I've

shared like some like just in person I don't send them to anyone I've treated like my holy grail like what it's intended for um I did that because a couple things number one when you're coming up in the sport and you see in these magazines you would see like never before seen pictures of sourcing anger right yeah and I'm like well that means I need to horse some for myself because I was already I was already working with the with weeder so they got ton of me already that they can use and still recirculate and make money off of what do I own so if I go ahead and throw this shit on social media now it's everybody's but you didn't think that you could get

I mean you'd get more traction more followers more fans I was I was making seven figures I didn't give dude like you know what I'm saying yeah I was like they have to do that just to stay relevant like as far as competitors people that that don't compete. You got to do what you got to do. Right. For competitors, you're just like, hey, look at me. Look at me. I'm like, yeah, look at you. Interesting. Get the hype train.

Make everything. That's when I would do the video. Y'all my, I don't think I'm in this gym kicking my own ass. You guys are going to have hell to pay. Because I feel like you would just disappear. It was funny. Yeah, I'd go zero dark 30, bro, four weeks out, wouldn't do shit. And just train. And I always imagined it. And I've said it on a few videos.

I'd be like, I'm the guy that you're my child. And you just acted like a complete idiot. And wife would be like, wait till your dad get home. And that's how I thought about shit, bro. That was your mentality. I was like, I'm about the whoop all day. What'd you do? Like, oh, you were running your mouth?

Yeah. I used to just say this crazy to myself because I'm like, because they are. Everybody in their camp is saying, like, because you see it, come on, bro. You see how some of these guys operate. They will, the guys that walk in the gym with a full-on entourage, you got all these people that are followers telling them how great they are. And I'm thinking, but they're losing. So you're just trying to be with the click.

You're just trying to like hang out with somebody. You really think he looks that good? Well, I'm going to prove to you that he only looks. that good and they just hated it so I and I enjoyed it I enjoyed kicking a show I enjoyed crushing their dreams I enjoyed all of it but at the same time I enjoyed you know being able to keep some of that will keep all of it to myself in fact I had I was sitting down with Danny Garcia yeah and she and she said because I was asking so many questions about Duane I was like like how do you guys methodically

like you guys are just so incredible like with your storytelling and how you everything is with great intention and stuff she was like yeah everything that we post has to mean something just like everything you post has to mean something but the difference is is that see people would see and love duane because they would see him three nights a week people can only see feel he two times a year two days out of the year so you have to learn to give them something throughout just like a little bit of something yeah be a little bit of something i was like what you were managing me back then I would have handled things a lot different it may not have been me lifting it would just been me just chilling or something like that and then people would say oh do you see

he he he you can see like his veins and his fingers you know what I'm trying to try so it looks smaller bigger or whatever but I just was like no I'm not showing you anything and what she had shared with me she was like my observation is is that you probably piss people off because you weren't sharing and everybody else is see everybody else is sharing their stuff, but they really want to see you. You're coming off. Not that you are, but you're doing this like, well, you ain't good enough to see this.

It's like, I'm like, no. Like, I want you guys to see it, but I don't, maybe it's my insecurity. Maybe it's the fact that I've been kind of put under contract. Maybe it's because of the fact that, ah, if I show you a picture of me three weeks out and I don't look the same, if not a little bit better on stage, it's going to fuck me.

I see. And that has happened because I see the comments even this past weekend. People were like, why didn't he look like that, you know, the day of the show? And I'm thinking, because you guys, he just got done training. And he's got the pre-workouts. He's got the gear. He's got everything else in him. And he ain't going to hold that for more than three more minutes.

You know what I'm saying? That pump, yeah. That pump and that perfect lighting, that perfect everything. That's not how it is on stage. and if the casual observer even if they bench 500 pounds and they look big on their YouTube if they would just throw some of that bronzer on

and go up on a bodybuilding stage they would shut the fuck up right away because they'd realize like how much goes into it yeah it's very very difficult so I just didn't want to give people that opportunity and I thought like okay well when I'm ready I'll really be relevant

because I have thousands of pictures of pictures that no one's ever seen i have every basically i have every week of every prep i've done that's pretty cool on hard drive i want to see that shit yeah it's sick dude i want to get like you know like a wall that has like all of the pictures oh sorry all of the pictures into it that create an image like a mosaic yeah mosaic exactly so it's exciting man i mean i'll i have to show you my first bodybuilding selfie. So I'm a geek with this shit. I'm like, man, I should make like a freaking

NFT or some shit on stuff like this because it is like no one's ever seen this. But if I would have just posted out of insecurity or if I just posted it thinking like, oh yeah, this would be good, you know, because I'm just sitting around. I'm just trying to create some more traction on my algorithm.

Now everybody has it. Yeah. Now I can't make anything from it. But there's a benefit to that too, though. Like I feel like you could have garnered. balance of it yeah no I'm in mid I'm raising both hands saying yeah if there would have and that's probably where I could have had friends like you yeah you know social media manager that says hey Phil like show me what you have oh yeah this you realize what we could

do on the data I mean you could still start doing it correct so true that speaking about Danny Garcia and the rock do you think the rock takes steroids I have no idea because if I look at him. It's a good answer. I have no idea. It's got to be no, dude, here he's, I love the wrong. I'm just saying. I don't want to slam DJ on this, but like he's not as big as people, like

I've seen, you get what I'm saying? I get it, I get it. Six, five, like six, five, bro, like six five, how much you think he weigh? I think he's, well, I think that's his biggest what he was like 260. That's achievable. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

It's like, people make it seem like this guy's like 300 pounds like even 300 pounds and ripped i'd be like come on man yeah he's not super round you know he's lean he's now i don't now i feel like there was times where he was bigger when he was younger but he wasn't cut though and he's par simoan dude have you hung out with simoans yeah man i grew up in seattle i grew up with smolans tongans and the motherfuckers are but but also at his age now to like even maintain that sort of weight is a little you don't think so no because I'm going to keep it real. No, because he's been an athlete his whole life.

You're going to carry something. You're not just going to wither away. Now, if he... You don't think he's on a little TRT? Maybe. Yeah. I could say maybe, you know, like, if he said, hey, Phil, I'm on some TRT, I'd be like, oh, okay, that makes sense.

Yeah. Well, this is also, this conversation is important when we're having it. I think people think of steroids and they just think of bodybuilders at their week. When there's like, also there is like a level of health, maintenance that comes with testosterone and TRT. So, you know. I think this is a very interesting time we live in because the growing topics kind of like what we're discussing now are biohacking.

Yeah. We got some data and we're getting more ingredients, more of this, more than, I mean, hell, I was just at a freaking Arnold Classic where I'm learning about different ingredients of supplements, you know, that can help with testosterone and stuff like that. And I'm like, huh, you know, different, you know, like, Ashriganda and shit like that. That's just been around forever, though. Yeah, but like they haven't tested it to a point where, like, I was just getting some literature that I was saying, like, if you took like grams of this per day, like five grams

to six grams, which is like 10 times of what they're putting in their product. Right. You would have like an increase. But a person's not going to spend maybe X amount of dollars to go do that because they're like, I'll just go buy a bottle of test. Yeah. you know, for instant gratification with definitely some side effects. Yeah.

But we definitely live in an amazing time. I mean, what I will say is with the peptide sciences, with the science, I can do TRT and take, you know, just repairing, you know, peptides for like gut, ligaments, tendons and stuff. and now it's like my body is like primed to train so that when I do train I get big as hell let me go to the bathroom real girl

I want to continue this we're gonna talk about the peptide all right guys so check this out obviously I'm staying here talking with Phil Heath right now about transcend about testosterone about blood work about the importance of it all if you guys have ever thought or if you just like want to know what's going on with your body

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back in this podcast. It's a long one with Phil, but it's a good one. I love you guys. Let's do the peptide stuff. Yeah. Because I recently, shout out to transcend, I recently started, because I've heard about BBC 157. Yep. I've heard about this for some time. And I actually tried it from like, you know, random, but he was like, oh, I can get you this peptide. And I was like, okay, cool, let me try it. I tried it. And I didn't notice much from it. Right. Now, it would transcend. And this is, it's, I mean, obviously I work with them, but I've tried it from them. And I've done it for the last, I want to say, like five weeks. And I've noticed like crazy results as far as pain. Like reduce inflammation. Yeah, because I've, I've dealt

with like a up shoulder issue for like nine years. Okay. And like not, I mean, I would have moments where it would feel better because I'm doing like a little more like rehab stuff. I'm working soft tissue stuff. Yep. But it would always kind of just revert back when I just started training hard again. Yeah. And I would say in the last like week or so, or two weeks even I've just been like well I actually start to feel better again like you said like your body being prime

now and it's interesting because like you're not quote unquote in your prime the peptides what's your take on the effectiveness of it have you obviously you've tried oh yeah that was the first that was the first peptide I was taking because I was short

you know thank you I had you know I had those two hernia surgeries yeah and I was dealing with a lot of inflammation dude and I was like well what do I do and they hooked me up and I'm like

first month inflammation gone second month I started noticing like less pain like when I was doing like core exercises and stuff yeah third month you know you're like wet surgery that's so crazy so it's just

replacing stuff that your body already has right So I loved it. I still take it. I actually brought it with me. That's a cool thing with Transcend is that, you know, all that is prescribed. So I've traveled all over the world with my, you know, medications. But yeah, the BBC 157, Thymocin, Beta, 4, they have TB 500. I take another one.

It's called pentosin polysulfate sodium. And yeah, you got to get that, like, that one i was having like some knee issues so there's not this left one man like like like kind of like what you're saying like i want to train heavy and then i do that and it but i would go like right into the muscle and it kind of burn a little bit but like you do it twice a week and after that third week i'm like kind of quad yeah like tendon i was having like tendonitis stuff like that i've torn this mcel so i'm trying to preserve like whatever i have you know so i don't you know tear acil one day so um

yeah i felt a lot better but then also they have t a one now have you had the thymus and alpha one no i for immunity so like if you look at the track record of t a one oh my gosh this was something the government decided to kind of take away oh god during a certain period of time great and then they put it back on the market after they did what they wanted to do with their own, you know, medication. And I take that religiously. I take that twice a week, especially when I'm traveling. What is it good for?

Oh, it, when you talk about keeping your immunity, like, optimal, that for sure. Like, if you, let's say you had a cold and you went to an expo, you know, so this was during the vid when they took it away. Oh, God. It was strategic as on their part, you know. Let's not give them something that they can heal themselves with. Yeah. also let's not let's not let them go to the gyms which was insane i i really hope at some point

like we can all collectively acknowledge the tyranny that occurred i just i'm just saying i don't give a i wish i don't give who you voted for yeah see this is the working on another topic but this is the problem i have with that see they don't want to point their finger at the right person because of their distaste for a hundred percent Yeah. If anything, they should look at government for telling you all this other and holding their feet to the fire. So they give you an honest answer, which are not.

Yeah. You know, WHO, all the other. Like, you literally now have, like, CCP, you know, if you, you know, basically saying, we're going to shred every piece of documentation that talks about our fuckery. Oh, yeah, it does just research stuff. So anyway, you know, I really hope that people can kind of realize. it wasn't really as much conspiracy as you thought

Joe Rogan's talked about a zillion times and he was right, you know, you got you know, Robert Kennedy talking about it, he was right. I'm gonna have him on, by the way, I can't wait. Was that? I'm gonna have him on. I can't wait.

No shit. Yeah. Works out. Yeah, he's jacked. He's jacked. He was at Gold's Venice. Yeah. So I feel like

that would be a great way of bringing people together. Be like, you know what? I thought I was right. I was wrong. And here's the best part. But no one likes to be wrong. That's part of this whole thing.

See, that's the ego and the narcissism that I can't stand. All you have to do is say, you know what, man, I took it. I took the jab, this and that. I was just falling orders or I, look, I had a job. I got kids. Man, I just put my trust in the, you know, people that know. Yeah. And you know what?

I found out that even though I wasn't affected in a certain way, maybe 10 years, 20 years down the road, maybe I am. I don't know. But the reason why I did it was wrong. And I made other people feel bad because of my. Oh, man. I could raise my hand. Like for me, I can say I was wrong. And then I'll say, you know what?

I'll think twice next time. Problem is that even when people will want to admit that they were wrong, which is already hard to do, the people on the receiving end need to show more love and grace to that person. You want to still stay mad at them and you present that type of energy. see I told you so stupid you know what I'm saying like this is because I read the comments online yeah and that's how people talk if people would just be cool and be like man you didn't know yeah you know that's a doctor you know what I'm saying like you didn't know it feeds itself so

that's why people are afraid of yeah they know why would you want to admit that you were wrong when people are just going to point their fingers at you and make fun of you so I think if you could just be like man I was wrong man and I wish I would have known better because I really or you know what hey Bradley like I treated you really bad during COVID because, you know... I kept my gym open. Yeah, right. Or whatever, right?

I said something about you, you know, because you didn't wear a mask and I just thought you were a piece of shit. That's on me, man. I really am an effort, you know, not inviting you to places when the mandates were lifted, you know, because I just thought

I was better than you. See, that would be like a move in the right direction. I think that would be people coming together and, you know, living in a much people don't want that I just don't understand how like people at this point

I hate to be this guy but like think the government has our best interests with the track record that it's existing it's just like it's about control right it's so interesting when I think about it that people just kind of like parrot

sort of ideas and topics that they've heard from someone else and or they like you said they want to blame a president or whatever it is and it's just like it's the government it's not necessarily these figureheads and then people ride for these certain figureheads at the certain side. And it's just like, we're just all going in circles.

Everybody wants to be a part of a gang, bro. Right. The biggest gang in the world, do the government. No, I'm just saying like with citizens too. You know, I get it. I mean, who likes a free thinker? Well, that's... If I were to just call a spade of spade, being black, I get called all kind of stuff, right?

But now it's like maybe more socially accepted. I don't know, but all I know is is that ask people should just ask more questions like when they were five six seven eight years old why why why why why yeah why not don't be asking why do the cops they may drag your out of the car we're saying why do i need to wear this why did you close down the schools right why did you make it seem like the kids were the most effective when they really weren't with the data and stuff why is it that like when we hit now we have some data it's now

literally, I saw an article on Forbes. It literally says something where they're talking about like, yeah, COVID-19 is like the common cold, the flu now. Yeah. But the other side, the other side will say, well, because it's been this many years and people have this many vaccines and that's why it's this way. Okay, but I think we were going to get there anyway. Yeah, I believe that.

So that means that enough people were going to say, I don't want to get sick. So I'm going to take a freaking flu shot or whatever vaccine. There is. There are going to be people. And I don't want to call them hyperchondriacs or anything like that. But there are people that will, I mean, we did have some hyperchondriot. We had some people that were taking like their fourth, fifth, six one that didn't need it. But it was their choice.

Of course. And I think when you take choice out of it, that's where I get. That's when it became a problem. That's when I think it's or when they do that and then look, man, I had to get ready for the Olympia in 2020 using my iPhone. Just the light on my iPhone. And I was the only motherfucker in the gym. at 11 o'clock at night. I'm the best in the world at what I do,

and I can't even, in the sheriff's apartment, banging on the, tapping on a glass thing, and I can't be in there. So I got to park my car three blocks down, not letting a soul. I can't post on social. Yeah, can't post on social. I post every day, I don't give a fuck.

I know, but see, though, and to me, you're a hero, like, in a way, like, you know, but that, actually, that was a reason, one of the many reasons why Sheree and I moved. You know, we were like, oh, it's like that Denver? Oh, okay. What's also like the weirdest thing to like completely police like the gym?

I just I guess what I would love is to have all of those people in office like local government. Local government have real fireside chat and say and pull the receipts and be like this is what you went for. This is what, come on.

And just and just be real about maybe get some cocktails on them or something. I'm saying hit a joint you know like something right but not make it comical yeah not the people that died and shit like that I'm saying like tell me tell me you had to been sitting at home sand like which one of you realize this was a bad idea I went too far this person is now losing their business I remember driving through Denver and Denver west that area Arvada, Wheatridge, Jefferson County, like, it's all small business.

Yeah. So to see those windows boarded up with notes that said, thank you for the 45 years, 30 years. It's insane, dude. I mean, that hits me in a spot where I'm like almost emotional because I'm thinking, you guys realize you just f***ed up their whole life. Their family's legacy was tarned.

It would be worse than that. like having it get set on fire by some asshole you know what I mean because they could always rebuild yeah even though they would have to rebuild this they weren't getting those loans yeah they didn't get anything and they're already struggling to begin with you know they maybe they're just saving all their pennies to put their kids through school you know to give them a better education you know we do have people in this world America that or even in the world where those parents are willing to sacrifice everything just not for their sons or daughters but for the next generation yeah their grandkids to to thrive so that's where i'm like man that's just cold-blooded man so

you got to you got to be awakened of what can happen when you just say yeah sure i trust you and that goes on both sides of the aisle you know you and you know now we're dealing with what the the biggest election in history over 40 different elections throughout the world. These are the conversations I believe, like, more people should be having than the bullshit that we see majority of the time on social media that gets attention. Like, I could care less what certain celebrities are doing. You know, I want to know, like, how we can actually make real difference. That's the crazy part. When I look at it all, I was like, I don't know if, like, there's that many people truly invested in making a real difference and just, like, filling their

pockets, man. That's, that's where. When I looked at it all, I was like, when I was, you dealing with it, I was like, like you said, all these companies, businesses, private businesses, like mom and pops businesses were all closed down. And I was like, so I get it. We're trying to protect people, right? Right. But all these people who worked their whole life to have something, we're just saying that's not worth protecting as well. And then there's all these other layers where it's like, but Costco's good. But the mom and pop's like store here is not good. Dude, you're you're not essential. Exactly. That was the craziest thing. Bro, like you're essential. You're not essential. This is some hunger games.

Like this is like very, very weird. And they got people to attack each other over it. Right. And then, all right. So then how do I make money? Everything just got pushed to the internet, which is for me was crazy to see because when I fought it and I went against everything and I was like, no, I'm going to keep this open.

I saw how much I was attacked and like there's gyms doing the same thing that weren't on social media as much. You know, it wasn't a social media influencer gym. Down the street, getting X amount of like citations call it six. I think it was seven. I had like 88. citations. I went through the whole thing and they basically at the end of the day were like

all right bye and but so I'm like okay that's it like but I was able to fight because I had excess income from other businesses that weren't that business but what if you didn't? My business would have been gone. Gone and maybe forgotten maybe we wouldn't hear from you for a while

and that's sad that's not okay like that's that's really messed up man like you want to talk about mental health let's talk about like how people that you know they their whole livelihood got eviscerated overnight

and we were just told that it would be two weeks they overreached and they're not getting loans yeah it was brother we're making money and throwing it to other countries right now still to this day like we should be really like people should people should really dude it drives me insane right now people should really be and this is probably the first time

I've ever really spoken about this. Publicly, it's like, people should be rioting in a good, or I shouldn't say rioting. People should be protesting because people don't rioting and more shit up than doing good things. They haven't planted one damn seed in the earth to make anything grow. But you should protest.

You should be outside of your congressman's, you know, like home on the sidewalks with signs saying, like, you voted for this, for me, you represent me no you don't represent me like shame on you like if could you imagine okay let me ask you

so let's say one of these politicians walked in your gym today how would you treat them would you kick them out I mean the ones that backed you over that signed these documents

I probably wouldn't want them there see I think maybe like let up like I don't know I don't know how exactly I'd react I'd be like why I would want to ask them why did you think this was okay because I think the the pressure needs to come back from the entrepreneur

that owns a business that owns the cleaners that owns the you know what I'm saying I'm being straight up like owns that restaurant and be like hey you know the problem is these people kind of are faceless in a sense and then the other problem is that all this stuff happened and then

people feel sort of hopeless to to fight back like to change it because I think a lot of people just go like well it's just going to happen regardless you know which and then then it just keeps the cycle just keeps going But maybe there's that one person, and obviously I'm being highly optimistic.

But sometimes it just takes one person, right, that sees things, you know, go on that are bad, that they're like, you know, I did just meet with a thousand. I know how it feels to meet with a thousand people. You've met people at Expos the same way. 100%. So you understand that you've given your time and your energy to these people.

It kind of makes you think twice, is doing something stupid because you'd be disappointing them. Yeah. I feel like if more of us participated maybe in like, you know, local government showing up to maybe

an event here and there. I don't know. Maybe that person would think twice. So it is a two-way street. You know, if you don't participate in your students, in your children's education, how are you going to get mad at the superintendent

for having some books that you don't like? You weren't even there. Yeah. So you got to like, you know, the government is there and we can say disobey all we want but you got to like participate so

I'm raising my hand on that too like I don't participate I don't know who my representatives are I haven't written one letter oh it's just going to get thrown in the trash but that but you're willing to go vote for somebody and you don't really know what they're doing either just because of the president people vote for the president first

before they go vote for anyone locally anyone they won't even know that the department of agriculture they don't even think about that you know how many farms are getting decimated right now yeah like decimated bro that's what we really we need more farmers how we go and keep our swole on like bro you know like even even even that stuff is like it's just it's weird what's going on with all with everything man they would want control and they would want us on ubi they would really want us eating bugs and um they would want us helpless if they could have it and I mean bro like we know people you and I both know people that benefited off

of a crisis in the most worst way yeah and then also would do it again and not care about us not eating like it's it's that bad bro like I still remember going to store waiting in line to get paper towels crazy okay and I look I don't have to wait for anything

and I remember a guy being like he was embarrassed for me but I had to go take care of shit so I go to the store and I'm just like because there was like crowds of people I couldn't have my wife just go there by herself yeah because people were jacking people

in the parking line. It was crazy. He was in Denver. So I go and the dude recognized me and he was just like, so I went to the back. He was like, man, a huge fan, bro. Like, what you need?

And I'm like, it's like the weed man. Like, you know what I mean? Such a weird time. It's so weird. So it wasn't that long ago and I think now it's something where I know for myself, I have the conversations

that we have in our house along with our friends is, are you prepared? um where are you prepared financially what do you know and what you don't know like do you understand what trade finances do you understand crypto do you understand you know what i'm saying this whole defy like what do you what do you know about that what do you know about commodities like what do you follow online um do you have any religion like do you have any faith like what is that about do you are you experienced at all in marksmanship like have you ever held a handgun like you know

Do you know how to plant something? Did your grandma ever teach you this thing called canning? No? You don't know how to make a meal on your own? Okay. Because once people can't have DoorDash and Uber eats and shit like that. Basic stuff that we all use and you don't know how to make a meal for yourself and your family just off of scraps. Man, like you're going to be running to your local representative saying, hey, man,

I'll do whatever just for that UBI. Do you think, where do you think we're going? I guess just as a country, do you think it's going to go to some point like that? They already presented it. People accepted the free lunch. Yeah. Robert Green said that in 40 Laws of Power, man. Don't accept that free lunch.

Always comes with strings attached. Now, if you do accept that, that money, I hope you know how to invest it in something else instead of buying bulls. Yeah. Um, I feel like we're in a, in a space right now where we, a lot of people need to learn how to save money. And that's not fearmongering. That's just real, being real. I need, I'm, I'm old enough to, to have acquired certain things or at least tasted certain things, right? So I don't need to buy five more cars right now. Yeah. I, I would rather have five more houses. That could be rented out. You know, I would rather.

but actually I'd rather buy more freaking land because you definitely ain't building any more of that. But all those things, right? I would want to know how to, that's another reason why I'm glad I'm with transcend too is because I want my body to be optimal going into my later years so I can, if I have to like use these hands

and do something, I don't want to be at the mercy of a health care system that I may not trust. You know what I'm saying? So if I can be at optimal, that way oh i'm choosing that i mean could you imagine like different countries of health care like how you have to wait to go get seen and they may not care i don't want so where i see it i'm no nostridamus but what i see is um you know inflation is going to go into hyperinflation i think

uh you don't cause this you know printing of money i mean something's got to give i mean i went to school long enough to know that you just can't keep doing that nothing ever burst whether it be the housing or just or then oh bro what about AI fuck now we're going to have you know what I'm saying how many jobs are going to get destroyed yeah so then like our grandparents if they're alive if your grandparents are alive they'll be okay right but maybe not for your older parents yeah because certain jobs are going to get it's done bro like yeah automation like we can there was like a there's a McDonald's I believe over in Denver where there's only like one employee in that

everything else can be just like automatic automatic yeah that's crazy you got cars I was just out here in LA cars driving itself yeah that's crazy that means I don't need a tax taxi driver. I don't need a real driver. Just, I get in the car, and it'll take me where I need to go until I probably do something. I just wonder what's going to happen. Social credit scores is what's going to happen. Social credit. Bro, I was in China. Have you been to China? No, I've been to China. Bro, I was in China 2017 after I had my first hernia surgery, and I was doing training demos. And I got a taste of that. Not in a bad way. You know what I'm saying? I was just, it's like,

huh this is interesting like love the people the people were dope i've always been well received was treated nice fancy dinners all that cool but i was like wait a minute cameras everywhere what's going on and i was like oh well you know they they watch everything i was like okay that's like it's just like any major metropolitan you know city in america they have mission control if anyone ever wants to ask you know just go ask like some of your cop friends they'll tell you like yeah they can see yeah but over the there was just different man like they couldn't say certain things and i started asking questions i was like so you can't like they're like nah and i say well why and they're like well you don't want to know

why so i'm like digging now i get home and now i'm like research and stuff and i'm like okay i find this book by this guy he's basically a one-star general in the united states air force his name is robert spalding he has a book called Stealth War Brother He literally wrote the playbook Like he's sharing the playbook Of how like like Just like how

Corrupt things are And how you can actually like What you could do about it So like for instance Have you noticed that like You don't see very many people Talk about people over there That are Americans

Because they have business with them and they'll get shut down. Talk about... Like, you can't... What was the dude's name? Mori for the Houston Rockets. He said something. It was pretty stupid.

He said something about China or something like that. He just says something. People say stupid shit all the time, but he just said something the NBA came down on his ass real quick. And I started thinking, I was like, I wonder why.

I was like, oh, because NBA and China have a deal. Yeah. So, you know, like I said, I don't look at them as bad people. I think, you know, the people itself is... but I don't think people understand that there's strings attached for everything. There's other countries too.

You know, we have to be very careful. Do you think, do you think this country would go in that direction? Dude, because that's communism. There was, right, but there was people that, the answer to it, no, because there's plenty of people from Cuba, from other places that live in America that are like, hell no. But then there, you got some, you got some kids that are like, Like, yeah, I could see how that could work because, you know, I could get certain things and certain benefits and certain.

Do you think there's a certain, obviously, percentage of the population that would kind of lay down to that sort of? Oh, the minute, I mean, I mean, we both know, the minute you give up your firearms, you're done. Yeah, which is crazy because the minute you, the minute you do it, like, let's just be real, like, just keep it a buck. Like, whether you want to own one or not, like, you always found that conversation so interesting. the people would argue like it's so bad it's like the people who buy these guns like legally and have the gun i own a bunch of guns right they i'm not going out doing crime with them like the people who are doing crime with them they don't they don't register them exactly so it's like the people who are getting the guns and doing the crime have we not watched the film i don't i don't

understand how like how are how are they trying to convince people that like the we're going to take away all these things but it's like these are not the the people who are doing the crime like they're You know what I'm saying? It just doesn't make sense. If it was that big of a deal, they would be sending more police to make sure certain areas of our country are safe. They have every,

every resource available. I mean, look, in San Francisco, when a president, she came into town, they cleaned all of San Francisco. I know. That should bother every California.

I know. And I'm from San Francisco. Francisco okay so I saw that so to me that should bother everybody like there was no homeless all of a sudden right so like what's happening maybe they put on five-star hotels I don't know but what I'm saying is I'm sure our tax always paid for that right so I'm just saying like there's so many solutions man there's so many people that are very very intelligent that can figure out our problems but I don't think that they want to do that I think that they would rather disarm you and then control you

and who but there are some people man that They'll be okay with it. And I've had friends that were like, well, why do you have a gun, Phil? Like, I go, I don't know, but I'd rather be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in the war. Yeah. Well, they could just come in with the, you know, with the heavy, you know, artillery. Well, I guess we're going to figure it out. I mean, I don't know what to tell you.

But what I do know is that the minute you give up certain rights that were already got given to you being an American with the Constitution. I mean, that's what the Second Amendment was all based around was like, the tyranny of like they couldn't. Well, you have to, yeah, you have to ask yourself, has there been any tyranny ever? And I think it starts there. Like you have to ask someone on the opposite side.

Yeah. And say, okay, so you don't want to have guns. Okay, that's fine. That's you're right. Like, you don't have to do anything. But do you believe in tyranny ever in our country? Has it ever existed? And if they say, well, absolutely not.

I'm like, dude, you're not paying attention. Yeah. Then you got to throw some receipts. seats at them and then you got to ask them like has there ever been to overreach a government to where you know this that and the other or why is it that the same people that talk about these things taking away them taking away your rights they use armed security you know they but man you know we can stay on that all damn not i mean it's like people got 3d printers man they'll do all kind of crazy shit people will figure out bombs man like it's it's a scary

ass world man like yeah i and you know i would not want oh here's a better one my parents are old as hell they're old right they're old i would still want them to have one yeah you know what i'm saying yeah if my mom was ever alone like if she was a widow and she had to live by herself and she had nothing i'd be very upset if someone came into her house and whipped her up you know i mean it could get i don't want to of course, graphically. But you know what I'm saying?

Like, last line of defense, man, like something, dude. Like, I'm just saying, like,

it's, it's, that's what it's for. Like, it's not for, like, but, or is it for,

that videos? Like, let's go there. You know what I mean? Like, oh, but, but,

but, but I can, but, right? We just, it's such a, so this don't make no sense. Like,

that doesn't make any sense. And, don't have them on rap videos then don't you listen to rap lures that fucking knock your head off your shit and that don't even bother you yeah but all of a sudden it bothers you so it's it's um it's very weird it's very wicked i mean you know shout out to our united states military i love you guys yeah i i've worked with the u s o for many many years plan on getting back on that tour do the handshakes and stuff because freedom does it comes at a heavy cost, every price,

and are we perfect? Is America perfect? No? Yeah. You know, you got people that are doing some bad, you know, through us. But, you know, I don't know, man. I don't, I'm not privy to all that stuff, you know?

I don't have that delta nine clearance. You know what I don't say? I don't have that. I don't know what that is. All I know is that, like, we have certain rights. I want my free speech. You know, and I want, you know, people to be able to do what they want with their body.

I want people to be able to be able to, to do what they want with their firearms legally. And I want people to leave each other alone. That is one of the biggest things. I want people to just leave each other alone. Like if you have something really effed up to say to somebody, don't do it.

Keep it to yourself. Well, the internet has made it like just exacerbated the whole thing. Yeah. It's just like I say just two sides of things just arguing. And you can't make jokes out of it. It's not like you and I being in a chat room playing call of duty in the lobby talk yeah like which is amazing those are amazing

those are great times yeah but I'm with you I didn't mean to cut you off but I'm thinking it's a lot more serious yeah man like we should be I would rather laugh about our differences yeah I love I love the comedians I think what happened what the past four years is that comedians can't be funny they have that's a whole nother it's just that's what I'm saying like What's happening? Like, what are we doing? Like, I thought sometimes laughing at each other is funny. You know, someone saying, oh, Phil, you got a big nose.

I do. Like, fuck. You know what I mean? And if you throw some adjectives to it, or you make, dude, bro, growing up, that was just, you know, ranking on each other, bagging on each other. Those are my best friends doing that. I wish some of them were getting paid doing it now. I mean, but they were funny.

Did I go home like, damn, he got me? Yes. Yeah. Why do you think people are so. sensitive nowadays. I don't know, man. Blame their parents, I guess. I don't know. But I feel like the internet, too, because you got these, like, groups of people who, who, like,

want to protect everyone. It's like, you want to protect everyone and everything. It's like, dude. They got savior complex, but the problem is, dude, is that... We don't see how they are behind closed doors. Yeah, bro. They're probably the most prejudiced, racist people

you ever imagine. There's a lot of, man. There's a lot of false bravado on online right now there's a lot of fake yeah let me ask you how much fake do you see in the fitness community just to work the algorithm to their favor just so they can get paid i feel like that's all of it nowadays yeah it's all of it which is crazy because it's changed changed a lot i think the last four to five years it's just got just snowballed into just yeah like let me go ahead and regurgitate some shit this person's too ignorant to figure out because i that that

here's how I look at it like a person could have read like let's say 10 pages of oh 10 flex magazine covers you know they could have really got some information yeah now they're doing a course now they're a coach there are all these things but yet have all they did was I'm just gonna take a bunch of gear for two years and then just freaking look the part and these guys ain't gonna know no better and now they're an expert how many experts do we have online? Apparently everyone. Everyone. Which it's it also comes back to the thing that we said earlier in relationship to like, you know, just the world in general, but is the critical thinking aspect. The most important thing that people keep undermining or not teaching or

not encouraging is like, you know, if you hear something, if you believe something, great. Just take a step back and go like, okay, why? Like you said earlier, like those are the kids. Like, we need to encourage that more in just the world. Because everyone, just takes everything at face value because they know a group of people who said it and they find themselves in the same position over and over yeah crazy echo chambers and stuff you know i mean you get like you know i was at the i think last time i saw you was at the la fit expo yeah yeah yeah it was a while ago you know it wasn't this year but it was last year or yeah it was the one that was later in the year i think that was the was the year died no no no no no because i was the year after no no

there's like a couple years after because i know exactly where i was on cobi died i was in denver I was at the Fit Expo and it was so sad. I was in Denver getting ready to walk into a Nuggets game and my phone's blowing up and I'm like... Damn, did you stay in that? Because I was in the Expo and told me, you know how it is. You go to the Expo and you set up and there's like, I just big line, all these people.

Every single person was like, yo, did you hear? And I was like, dude, I got to get out here. This is depressing. Yeah, I would have had a hard time shaking anyone's hand and taking pictures that day. I had a hard enough time going to the game. and they did a moment of silence and all that but I was just like

it was weird like how do I it felt stale like it just the world did stand still for a moment you know but yeah but yeah when I was at that expo yeah just a year ago I like to ask questions from people under a certain age right so and then I get blown away by some of the answers but also just how some of people just approach me so i'm just standing there i was talking to some i remember he was like 21 22 years old and he was telling me how he had these aspirations competing in mpc he was all natural he was just like yeah you know i just want to take my time and this and that you know i heard that that's what you did and i just want to follow on those steps i'm like oh yeah this is what you do boom boom all right all right o g love you later

one guy comes up and he goes yeah you know i'll be right up there just got a you know i just came for the picture, you know, didn't really have any questions. I was like, okay, no problem. You know, I get it. And he was like, yeah, you know, I'll see you up there someday. And I was like, oh, yeah, he goes, yeah, that's some training and a lot of steroids to take. So he said it to your face. Just straight up, just went right in, bro.

Like, I was like, stop. I said, come on back. And, of course, when I do that, everybody's like, ooh, what's going on, you know? So I didn't, I didn't, you know, this was my. big bro moment you know right so i'm like why well you know because i'm trying to get big and i said you're already big right now how do you know he's like 24 have you done a show yet no how long you've been training a couple years and this is what you want to do what do you want to take i'm just asking what do you want to take why you want to do this have you thought about just doing this this

and this like all these other things do you know how much your cycles and stuff are going to cost and all that no i was like you know so you don't even know these numbers. So what do you want to do with this? Why I want to turn pro? Well, what is that going to do? And he's like all over the place now. I said, how can someone respect anything you're

saying right now if you haven't thought about these things? This is what a child does. An adult will know exactly why they're doing it, why they're doing it. You know, this is what I'm doing. I'm going to do this. I'm going to get this big and then I'm going to have this channel. I'm going to own, not just, and I had to break it down

to when I said, so basically you don't have a website so you have no ability to track like any SEO anything you're just stuck on a freaking you know the box you know

with IG and Facebook that if they shut that shit down and we've all seen when they do people lose their damn mind I say you have no email capture you don't understand any of this stuff I said okay so you do realize

that there's a lot of guys that look like you so what's going to make you different because everybody's thinking the same way as you. Especially nowadays, yeah. I said, so the level of competitiveness is very, very high. I said, but also the insecurity. And one thing I'm noticing is that you're talking about abuse. And that's the reason why I'll talk to you.

It's because I hear it in your voice that that's all you care about. You're not saying I'll train until my knuckles bleed or I'll train until I pass out and throw up. You're talking about that's the first thing. And you just said it so casually. I said, do you understand for you to even get that would be illegal? And he just does one of these. I said, do you realize that you're good enough already without it?

Do you realize that you could be just getting a regular job or a better job, saving up your money and just doing this as a hobby? And if God says that, yes, this is what you do. And then he fires back. He's like, you turn pro at 25 and you did this. I said, man, I was a Division 1 athlete, bro. been an athlete my whole life and I look better than you as a high school senior than you do now I'm just saying like you can't don't compare me like don't do that yeah I said but so I told him I said

with loving hands I said bro I'm just telling you there's a better way of doing this and I really think you're not giving yourself this opportunity to just see who you are as a human being but you're showing me right now who you are and you're you're you're you're a person that's dealing with a lot of issues dude and the last thing we need is more people like you taking these substances because it's just going to make it worse. You're going to do something very stupid and

you may get swollen big and all this other stuff but you you may not be here. So I said I do wish you well you know how to reach me I answer all my shit he's like you do I say yeah man

I said I do answer it eventually you know I do answer it especially when it's like this. I said, why do you think I come to these expos? I say, you really, I lose money coming to some of these expos. I come because I want to meet people like you. It gives me more understanding of where our climate really is. Yeah.

So his ego kicks in and now he's like, so I'm like, all right, he's not listening. He can barely do this. So he takes off. Best part about this whole story. there's three other guys in line tears in their eyes i was like you know and they both and they all three them said we trained together and we were all thinking about getting on stuff but after hearing what you said we won't touch it for at least you know until we're like older because we were just

doing it for all the wrong reasons and we don't want to hurt ourselves and i said well I'm glad that you at least listened. I think that you all can collectively push each other, you know, train hard. Yeah. I say, you can still gain weight, gain muscle without it. And guess what? You may not even like this sport anymore. You may just say, fuck it, I want to run marathons for the rest of my life and be slim.

But at least you can be like, man, I didn't have to do that. And if I do it, I'll have more wise behind it. It's a crazy world. You know, we're dealing with the instant gratification instead of the delayed gratification. We're dealing with, like you said, the frauds online that will, but I want to have a million subs and I can get paid.

And it's like, the tradeoff is you're going to do something illegal. And that's the craziest part. These kids don't realize the guy on TikTok injecting Tren on a plane. What? Bro. I haven't seen that. I was like, first of all, how did you get through security with no you know with no script but you know things things happen

but i feel like it's almost been more lenient yeah because 10 years ago 15 years 20 years ago there's no way we could be having this conversation yeah and i just feel like now we're in a position you know especially working with a company like transcend to to that people know like hey i did do things a different way before transcend don't get me wrong but I also knew that like for me I wasn't really able to get prescribed anything until I was like 28 29 and because no doc was going to be like here's a script for this yeah um so I get that part but I respect it because I'm at a point in time of my life where I can really see the fruits of my labor because I didn't abuse myself and I know right now I feel like there's people out there

are frauds online that would literally be like oh yeah you want to get swole to take some of this and you don't know where it's made yeah just like fentanyl and also you do not know where that d ball's made yeah you do not know and and you don't even need it and it's just it's just it's just wild that the parents i think the parents are probably so beat down that look the parents are trying to be hip themselves and or they're stressed out of their mom mind and they don't know what their kids are doing and if they want to you know hey what are you doing the kids will yell at him yeah i i it's it's tough like it's hard blaming parents i i mean they're i feel like that's a whole another conversation but it's people it's up to their own

ability to like really structure and like care about why they're doing because the core issue is like when we talk about this and people like well i want to do this because i want to you know build a social media thing or whatever it is it's it's just done based off of seeing someone else do it and have success in it and like not necessarily not that they don't want to do it but I feel like people don't have like a genuine intention behind why they're doing it other than like I want to get popular and I want to make money and it's like I can look back on my whole career in this space like I was doing this stuff before it was like money there there wasn't money there and I was doing it just because that's who I was at in my life and I think

a lot of people now do things just because other people have done them which which makes sense But if you're going to do it, like you need structure in why you're doing it, like what your goal actually is. Like, especially if we talk about the steroids and all this stuff. It's like you, you, the worst thing I've always heard is like people would be like, oh, this is my first cycle. I've done this, this, this and this. And I'm like, you don't even know what this one does to you or this, these two together

do or these, you know, so it's like, how are you deciding? It's like making a suit, putting a bunch of shit in and being like, why does it taste like this? You don't know which one caused what. So then you find yourself in the situation where if you're getting side effects, now you're backtracking trying to figure out like why is this happening and you're just in a shitty situation because you didn't put enough thought into the whole the whole purpose in general I can tell you right now for these kids that want to do trend bro stop with the trend these kids are brave yeah just stop with Irish people come on first of all first of all

what color is it like orange burnt orange yeah if that does not bring us of, like, but I only people think that. Hello. This is what you're putting. Okay. So there's plenty of literature out there that have, like, medical journals attached to it. But, man, like, it is liver toxic.

It's like the worst thing. It's like the worst thing. And it's only for people. And it literally says it. This is for advanced. But see, here we go again. Lower barrier of entry. People go in the gym.

They want to get jagged, this and that. You know, they see the reward, but they don't see, like, I take this. And you know why they cough, right? It's because they have to put so much benzol alcohol in that shit to keep it stable. They have to put that much in there that you are going to cough. Yeah. Some guy is going to be like, Phil doesn't know he's talking about. Whatever.

All I know is that it's the risk versus reward. Like, I don't know, man. Like, I'm not going to sit here and say that. take it. What I'm going to stay here and say is that I am now on the other side and I realize like, man, there's peptides out there that I could have just in conjunction with a little bit of anabolic and the things I know with diet, I wouldn't never need that again. Yeah. Ever, like, ever. But hey, you know, people always like, they'll bastardize anything. And I'm just sad because, like, I don't even want to call people out on this channel.

It's just, but why make it a thing? Why make that of conversation? It's not funny. It's, it's just, to me, it's, that's when I look down upon it. That's when I look, like, that's when I get in, I'm not embarrassed, but I look at them like, damn, you're the reason why like, like, if you were only born 20 years ago, you would, you, you would not be living today. like you would like you're taking like that these are the guys that will probably take like halitess

and then throw them all in their mouth and think that they're you know like but but put it out there they'll take it that's just how stupid they are and I don't want to call people stupid but you're doing stupid things and you're and you're being impatient and you got look if you got certain kids doing you know even shows and they look a certain way and they're 19 that means that they're probably doing something at 16, 17, 18. I can't justify that. I won't justify that. I haven't seen those type of competitors

at my own bodybuilding show. If I did, I probably would say something privately. I would never out them. This is not an outing session. It's just more like I'm just interested because I think we both can agree. We're kind of touching on drug abuse and drug addiction.

Yeah. Just a different drug. Yeah. It's like. It's also like, yeah, the addiction to like the effect. Yeah. Like I'm going to, oh, I'm going to look this way. Because of social media.

Yes. Yeah. It's like, oh, well, easiest way to get popular. Take steroids. Have a person follow you around with a camera. Get jacked. Even if you had gyno and all this other shit. You can still talk about that.

Yeah. You can go on. But it says it's interesting because it says a lot about the audience. as well that's the thing right so they watch train wrecks bro they're okay with it they're okay with watching people have zero standards we watch people look i took a media detox like uh two weeks ago three no three weeks ago i went two weeks like without really posting anything and i said when i was talking about really posting my wife helped me out posting because i created a bunch of other stuff and i said i'm going to go off off the grid i just want to you know and um it was one of the best

things I ever did because when I came back I didn't revert back to the same patterns watching the same television shows scrolling yeah you know I put limitations on the scrolling as far as like how many hours in a day I get two hours I was like okay um how do I feel well I don't listen to much I definitely don't listen to some of the conversations from friends like i i kind of distance myself from certain people that are i find very toxic um and then i objectively look at social media material like that doesn't make any damn sense well they're getting paid but that doesn't make sense because eventually that money's going to run out and that's i was like this doesn't serve me this this doesn't serve me reading this

book serves me having this conversation about life serves me writing in a journal serves me being in this whole reflective state um serves me like the spider man me right now we just got the the journal thing because i always talk about the journal thing oh do you yeah you got to do it yeah people make fun of you for writing in the journal yeah some of my buddies they talk shit i mean i don't care at this point wait a minute they make fun of you for what getting up in the morning having a routine and you decide to write your thoughts on paper? I'm just, listen,

I'm just saying what it is. Dude. Well, here's the deal. Here's the deal. This is the thing we're working with, right? You're working with now Asian wisdom

because you've been there and you've gone through it all. Uh-huh. So the thing that, it's like, how do you fix? Because obviously you can't go, hey, kid,

who's 18, 19, do what I'm doing now. Because I know what I know now. You should know. The crazy part about this all is like, you have to expect the younger audience to just make these mistakes. Because, dude,

I've made tons of mistakes. But, bro, like you would, but if you were writing down your daily thoughts, you probably wouldn't make them. No, and I'm saying you're absolutely right. You know what I mean? I'm just saying, you're 100% right. I'm just saying, like, we have to give some sort of grace.

And our goal should be like to get these younger people and the people who are considering this or considering that, whatever it is, to think harder about just their actions. And it's hard because I can look back on when I've made decisions. And like, for example, like, I, like, I, like, for a very long time I refused to get my blood work done because I was like oh I'm afraid I'm gonna fuck it

I don't want to do this like I know something's gonna be wrong and I'm like what the fuck was I doing you know it's what's called like blue coat syndrome or white coat syndrome where you're like you're afraid of seeing what could be wrong but like you know that you should be seen

what could be wrong so that you could fix it right makes no sense but we do it yeah yeah and so it's hard like I totally agree like they should be doing better but we also have to just encourage

like the thought of like hey, you should be thinking about these things because I've already made all these mistakes. Not that that person's probably just going to make their own mistakes regardless, but yeah, man, it's just a weird, it's a weird circumstance and I think with the internet now, it's just, there's so much more push, like you said,

and like we were saying, just on just the negative side of thing or the train wreck side of things that, you know, when we sit here and talk about something that's super fruitful and good, it's not going to go viral. It's not going to be what everyone sees. They're going to see the shit about maybe you talking about steroids or something that you said about that guy or and it's just like there's so much more that I think people they're not I don't know if it's like algorithm based or just that's what they're

looking for I think that's what they're looking for I think we've trained people to look for those things someone could easily do a reaction video of anything we talked about just to hijack our message and that's what's unfortunate as well people actually can get paid off of that type of tabloid and it proves that people are willing to sell their soul. That's a person who's willing to sell their soul. While they're saying that someone else is doing something wrong, which I always find really funny.

So you're echoing something, but yet you're twisting it to serve a certain narrative. Man, they sound like some people that we see on, never mind. Who are you referencing? I want to know. Because I know you. I'm thinking of like certain late night talk show hosts

and stuff like that. I'm thinking of like government. I'm sorry. But it's just, no, I just think that people just create their own narrative. and it's always to hurt someone. He's never to say, hey, let's bring awareness to this

and let's then have a conversation. I can be right, I can be wrong. I think more people should debate. I think it's natural. I think it's imperative. But I don't think of taking something and twisting your words into making you look like a fool

to make me feel good and to profit off of that is a good thing. I think it's complete bull. I think they're cowards. And, you know, they're lucky that they probably don't get caught up in the streets. You know what I'm saying? Because it's just really bad.

I feel like on the other hand, we do have this social media platform where we can invite various opinions. And even if someone sounded completely ignorant, we can talk about it. Yeah. And my whole thing is I don't have to convince you. like you're talking about the kids like oh well you know they're still going to make mistakes and we should show grace to them i get it i think the reason why we share our perspectives is so that they can realize number one they're not alone in their thoughts you know like we've been there so then quit acting like you're the only that's ever been there see that's my problem yeah it's like

i've already been there son i already knew like before technology come on man like we've been there yeah so you don't think i understand the patterns this that and the other when you're hiding something or whatever i mean i don't have kids but i'm just saying like i could see it in teenage boys and girls right now like i already know what they're thinking i could check out the body language i remember when i was the stage i'm not that far removed so when we're trying to give out you know some some nuggets man like i want those kids to take them because they don't have to go through those pain um painful moments that we had to um But yeah, if they messed up, I mean, yeah, you want to give them grace because, you know, you were probably hoping that someone are giving you grace at that point in time.

You know, people talk about you when you got, when you made a bad decision. So I'm with that. I just want as, I just want as much, I want an expedited process of the fuckery, right? I wish, bro. You know what I mean? Like, if I could, like, hey, I have a son one day, daughter one day. I'm like, listen, they turn 10. 13, I'll be like, listen, I already know what's going on.

Don't, I don't want you hiding from me. Yeah. You're not an adult, though. So, just understand that part. So I think parents maybe get that up because they think, they want to establish open communication, but at some point in time, the kid doesn't cross the line and the parent allowed them to do it

because they're laughing at the same television shows and the same jokes and stuff. Yeah. And they're sharing memes. It's like, nah, I was married once, and she had a child. and I remember you used to tell him and be like

we may laugh at the same things but you are not my friend in what sense where like the respect part like got it got it like you could disrespect me call me out my name like one of my friends you know what I'm saying like talk like where that's something

the friendship has to be earned from father to son yeah that's how I was raised you know we may laugh at the same things we may you know really laugh at some like Dave Chappelle, you know what I mean? Yeah. But we are not friends like that. As you get older and you become an adult, you will then get a handshake and a hug and

then you will be my friend. We can work on that. But for right now, I'm your protector. I'm the provider. I'm the one that's supposed to give you, you know, some high, high level stuff. And I feel like that's where as men, we have to lead with that. So then the younger adults realize like, okay, we're. we are laughing at the same stuff,

but these are the people who we need to respect because I see kids not respecting any adult figure right now. They think they know everything. But that's also because the parents don't leave with certain levels of standards. People ain't going to come up to you at no ex-bo and act a complete fool because you're going to tell them like, man, you're an idiot. That'd be like someone going up to CT and acting the fool.

He let them know about themselves. They're not going to do that. Actually, they wouldn't even go up to him doing that because they know this is a man of standards. no one will go up to j color because of man the standards even for myself i usually don't have those type of interactions because they're like man like he ain't about that and i think that that's a that's a way of defeating you know all of the the negative you know problems that we see existing online you know you

got to be the change i mean it's not easy i don't know how i was it's crazy because everything you just said though is it's also like a you know i don't want to say it's a mainstream thought of like this not that it's toxic whatever but like this whole conversation could be looked at from outside point of view and perspective that's like oh that's like toxic sort of masculinity and it's like that's a whole other thing that's like I don't I don't agree with that by the way I'm just saying that's a whole other thing that's under like a sort of attack at don't you find it weird that like people can easily instead of just sit with so someone's opinion just sit with it and shut the fuck up just sit with it

but no they want to deflect because it hit something it struck something yeah oh that's toxic what is toxic about me being a man that wants if i were to have a child or when i was raising another woman's the son to be strong to be smart to be courteous to be kind to be loving to not be a coward what's wrong with this i was i was born in 1979 therefore i was born in the 80s You know who our heroes were? Freaking Carl Lewis, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rambo, freaking Stallone. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Hulk Hogan. Like Wayne Gretzky but this guy by the name of Michael Jeffrey Jordan. We had real athletes like we were watching on Wheaties boxes on television. Yeah. Everything was about competition. You know, everything was about competition and just strength.

It wasn't like be a man. It was just like strength, just lift weights, work out, do shit. Yeah, try and be better every day. Just try to be better. I didn't see people cutting each other down and stuff like that. It wasn't any of that. I think what probably happened at some point in time, some guys abused that.

Yeah. You know, and then it became toxic. Maybe, like, toxic with certain women that wanted to be independent or maybe they were forced to because there was no man at home and they had kids. You know, list goes on and on. I mean, but, you know, I don't really understand, like, that whole genre because I don't exhibit any,

toxic behavior in my opinion I just to me I try to live by a code of just pouring into myself so I can help out other people yeah that's it if you don't like it fine you know but I really come from a place of love and I just want people to be better I know I ain't perfect I many times and I probably still will like at least I can raise my hand and that's the other part that we're talking about is accountability yeah the fact that the youngster can't even raise their hand and say you know I messed up. See, that's gonna piss me off because I'm like,

if you aren't willing to do that, you're never going to learn from it. And at some point, you're gonna learn that lesson very, very expensively. Yeah. The minute you think that you, no one's watching,

it's just so we'll still do it. You keep doing it, you develop a nasty pattern. Yeah. And that can be alleviated. So I, you know, I think it's, we live in a great time though

you know like you know we can we can do these conversations have it all you know but I feel like people that are watching even our conversation have to realize that you and I both have experienced

tons of different scenarios where we had to do with our own pain our own demons yeah our own disappointments and decided to wake up the next day and do better surround ourselves with people that allow us to be her yeah you know that that that

that won't judge us that won't make and if they make fun it's just a little bit you know what I mean but it's not to it's not to cripple your thought it's not to cripple your spirit and I think and that's why I came here you know to just wrap with you

because we've never had this long of a combo no um what what do you want for the remainder of this year out of my life or out of like

just out of whatever like what are you what is like because like I said we don't talk so I'm like I mean business aside I mean like is there something because I just feel like 2024 is a big year yeah you know we got the got elections coming we got economy yeah we got kids taking trend yeah you know we got but we got a lot of upside you know you know I want I mean bro I I I think we kind of briefly spoke about this on a call but I I I I I I think we kind of briefly spoke about this on a call but I I I I I I I I really want a family, dude. I want kids, you know? And it's a little bit, it's a little bit interesting because as much as I want that, I'm also like, damn, it's going to be a challenge. Like, like, I'm just imagining the next, let's say,

let's say I can the next two years or three years, and then 10 years from that, I just wonder what the world's going to look like with the way that it's going now. I just, I always wonder like, damn. That it's, yeah, when you mentioned it like that, that's, yeah, that is a damn. Because you could only, you know,

as a father, as a teacher, as a parent, you can only do so much. And then it's kind of like we were talking earlier, the kid's got to make their mistakes. They're going to listen to that person, this person who's not you or not their family, just because of sort of outside influences or the internet. And it's like, I wonder what that's going to look like. Like are we, because we just seem to be going down this path of like, I don't even know how to call it, but it just seems like dissolution. It's like people fight, argue, don't have standards on this or don't,

if you have a standard, but then you're bad. But if you have too much of standard, then you're bad. And it's like, it's just a weird, it's just a weird time. And so I have a little bit of a fear, I think, um, because I've always, you know, I grew up without a father and I always want to be a great father because I didn't have one. Right. And I think I have a fear built up around that in general, which is probably exacerbated my relationship issues and problems I've had in the past with like, you know, really settling down

with someone and, and, uh, yeah, I just find myself at a point where I'm like, okay, regardless of that, this is what I want to do, but also just being afraid, you know. I appreciate you sharing that. mean my wife and I we talked about family planning just this year and I was like taking these deep breaths I was like kind of like like what you're describing but then I thought well what's the point of having this legacy feel if you can't share it with the child of your own no yeah I was married once before I helped raise him but having my own and be able to look at him or her in the eyes and seeing their movement, their mannerisms, you know, all their little nuances, right? And I can say, oh, that's totally me, you know, or that's, hey, that's you girl, you know,

or that's the both of us. And I've been fortunate to have, you know, a few close friends that I play ball in college with, they have kids. So I get to see them, interact with them. And like my best friend, he, uh, I,

I, I, come i go how's your day and he goes it doesn't matter dude have a great job i make a ton of money i do really well but what is really cool is to even though it hurts sometimes is to have your son like run up on you or tug at your leg when you have to leave but when you come home you realize that this is what what it's all about yeah he's like he's like he's like feeling you're successful this and that but isn't that what you want i was like yeah you know but then i had the fears and all that stuff and You know, and then also realizing that I sacrificed, you know, potentially not having them because of my career.

Yeah. So, and my wife as well. But we realize now, like, you know, with, you know, doctors and stuff like that, we have that. And we even, not to, you know, always say transcend, but like we do have doctors that have helped, you know, competitive bodybuilders have children. Yeah. in very quick time so i'm like okay that's cool um but then also i think that's why i've been more focused on like getting my together you know just the emotions and stuff and and not carrying any baggage because i feel like that is in your sales right for sure so if those sales get with

my wife stuff at least can i just put them like that in the best environment Can I create the best environment so that we can both look at each other and say we've done the best that we can because we're going to expire at some point. I would love to be able to give everything to the children. But also, let's think about this. We're not going through war. Kind of, right? We're in a weird way. Kind of.

Yeah. But imagine 50, 60 years. ago yeah imagine 60 years ago you got race riots you got civil rights movement you got all kind of think people wanted to have kids then some people yes some people know I want to have kids right now segregation is this you know white versus black it's people getting you know real that I don't like that's something like my stepfather who's still alive he'll be 91 this year he was he was born and in a place called Huntsville, Alabama's.

So he's seen, yeah, right? My real dad, he's no longer here. But yeah, I mean, but my mom, she's still alive. She, yeah, I mentioned before she's born in Zachary, Louisiana. They've seen racism. They've seen some hardship. They still had kids. So I think, like, they had kids.

They had the riots. They had all that stuff. They had bombings. And then they had, they had. had war too and then they had the that was dealing with the first and second war war that their parents had to deal with you know they had all

this other stuff and they still decided they still have children so I think like before I get too scared this is just me I have to say well man like my whole ancestry has gone through stuff our ancestry regardless of ethnicity

has gone through stuff I think we'll be okay yeah I just think We have to be alert and be extremely formidable. Like you can't not participate in school board meetings. Yeah. Like you can't. And if you can make a ton of money legally, you do it because what will that provide?

Private school, homeschool with tutors, you know what I'm saying? Stuff like that. You want your kids to be highly intelligent. For sure. You, but you also want them to understand how to communicate, not just through the iPad like this. Yeah, that's a crazy shit. So how do you do that? Well, you got to work on yourself, parent.

Like, you got to know how to sit across from the dinner table and not look at the phone. Yeah. You got to know how to communicate when you're actually upset at the other person. And I'm not just saying this as if I hadn't done it at one point in time. That's what I'm looking at camera. Like, I've fucked up. I've been that dude for sure. where I would be so, like, out of my body where, yeah,

I was just a complete pull, I'm sure. So I'm hyper-focused on a bodybuilding show, which I get it. But if I could do it over, I'd be like, all right, well, right now I don't have to do that. I'm sitting across with my girl. Like, I should just be talking about normal. Such a hard thing sometimes, man. But the moment of mindfulness, it should be like that. Because then when it's time for me to get after it, it's like, it's time for me to get after it.

Yeah. You know, like if otherwise I should be single. I should never have kids but I think a lot of people that are not having kids they're not getting a lot of things done either they're not they're not really building a legacy

like if you're building a legacy and like you ain't got no kids you'd be like yeah man I don't have time I don't want I don't have the time that I want to personally give yeah okay fine because there's plenty of people that probably shouldn't

because they're being the CEO the major companies that are making the big numbers and then the kids get raised by the nanny yeah that's I don't want that I couldn't do that but I would love to make the money

to where I could have a nanny would be like hey we're going on a date because that's what we do on Thursday you know what I'm saying a little time yeah yeah yeah got to

you know gotta do my thing with the misses too so it's just trying to create as much balance balance as possible which fuck man there is not

I think that's my biggest issue in my life one of my biggest issues of my entire life is just balance there's no such thing though yeah that's what what do you think balance is

because I hear because I'm with you I hear it on social media like oh yeah you got to have balance it's like I think I think when you're chasing something like I mean you know this of all people

for sure when you're chasing something of you know something that's never been done or something that's only been done a few times or something that's new or different like it's really hard to have balance and I don't think balance is super realistic but yeah of course at some point

when you're ready to like slow down I think that's when you do want to create a circumstance you could have a family because if I couldn't be there for my family. And at this point in my life, I know that I could be there. Right. I know sometimes it would be more difficult, but I also know that I could do it where I'm at now.

Yeah, when I was doing all this, like, social media shit over the last 12 years, I think there'd be impossible. Like, I applaud people who I know who have kids when they're young, and they, they, you know, you even hear about kids or people who have kids when they're like 19 and then they still do crazy. Like, yo, how the, did you? you do this because it's like I couldn't imagine that

because you know I mean the body building shit man like it is so selfish it's such a selfish thing oh extremely selfish this is a reason why I was divorced

yeah you know because like it's like food it's like I remember just at one point it's like I only thought of my next meal my next workout am I getting enough sleep and nothing else matter I ruined so many relationships

the level of self-setting is extreme. Yeah, I think it has to be. But that's what that sport is. It is. I don't know if there's a true way to balance that. I think you just, if you have a relationship with the finds me

that understands, like that's, yeah, you got to have someone that you could build a life with. I mean, and you got to, you have to be able to explain

those roles to one another. And there's a lot of, there's a lot that goes into it. I mean, I don't think it's for everybody. I've been very fortunate because my wife, Cherie, we've been together nine years.

But when we got together, I remember telling her, I said, so you have a passport, she goes, yeah, I said, how many, when does it expire? Because, you know, we need to know. I said, look, if you move in with me, you're going to be on a plane with me. You're not going to be left behind because there's no point. Yeah. We don't have kids. We don't have dog or anything.

You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. So she went everywhere. I also wanted her to see what this world was like because if she couldn't handle it then I'd be like well then you can't handle it yeah then we can't be together she can handle it and I thank her all the time because I'm like you just come from different stock man like you're you're what was your parents like so I've you know obviously I meet her parents and I'm like who's your grandparents like hardworking people man yeah I'm like this is why we're to

together because they all had solid work ethic. Entrepreneurs, like, worked tirelessly, getting done. I couldn't have that with someone that didn't have that upbringing or that desire, right? Yeah. To build, I think in, in 2024, I think you can't just, you can't, we play with words so much on social media. We all know, we all have a better vocabulary, but we really don't know the deep meaning within it we can't say oh i want i want to build i want to build with this woman oh you don't you want

her to be your punching bag you want her to be you know you want to cheat on her you want to do all this other shit you you know or these girls like i want a king in my life he's like yeah but you're not willing to be a queen to him either oh god i saw a funny ass tweet that it must have just got like crazy engagement i don't know if people do this stuff just to cause drama but this girl was like I want a guy who I'm at like everything to him and like nothing else matters but me and I was like and all the responses are exactly what you think is like well what about the guy's like purpose like he's got to have something he's working on right so and what and also what is he getting and everyone her her response is like nothing so she just wants a guy that ooze and ahs over her I don't work

that's it's it I think it was a troll honestly I saw a tweet I was like it has to be a troll yeah these are I feel like people do that just to get people to be like oh you you know what i'm saying deep fakes and bullshit yeah it's just like very and then we have to deal with that noise i really feel like any any any man that is single you i'm so sorry good luck yeah good luck brother like i i will say that you your your best bet is to you know establish establish your career oh move oh go to go to passport bro oh good i don't i don't bro it's crazy i'm okay we can say this real quick i would say earn become the best you can be in anything you do right but earn and to invest have your own together like you're like you're like

you're not renting anymore like you're actually own this up before you go ahead and buy a rolex go put that same amount of money in a rolex into a home or something like that yeah but try try you can buy like a five thousand dollar watch you don't have to buy the 15 yeah you know what I'm saying like you don't have to do that fucking house but just buy it just just buy it right and as much as I'm saying this to people I'm saying it to myself like I did certain things that helped me and then at one point in time I was like I'm just spending this money but at least I had a house you know yeah too you know then I got the cars and all this other I was trying to do it as systematic as possible but um but nowadays oh man you better get your money right

You better have that plus another stream of income. But you need to see the world. You need to travel for multiple reasons. You don't need to go holler out a bunch of chicks and then, you know, and probably, I mean, guys are probably being very reckless. And before they know it, they're really going to see some weird shit online because they have some kids that look just like them, you know, in other places. So they've got to be very careful about that.

But I really think that there's an opportunity to see the world. and have better perspective when they come back home to the states. Yeah. I think they understand that their freedom comes at a heavy price. I think that they'll understand, you know, why certain laws are the way they are because each country is different. And then just find something majestic to stare at sometimes. And, you know, like, I can tell my wife right now, like,

like we were at. Magestine is hilarious. Bro, we were watching, you know, bro, we were at a restaurant. And they had, like, sports, sports chat. was on and they had like um you know those demos on like LG screens and stuff like that and I was like we've been there and her dad was like where I said there he was like you guys been there I said yeah he's like what about that one I said in there too it's good don't to be able to say that yeah that's a blessing and it feels great to be able to build that so I feel like that

even if I had to do this life all over again I would I would do it in that regard like make the money so I can see the world so I can have a better perspective on, you know, America, how great it is, you know, even things that I don't like. Yeah, for sure. And then know how to communicate with people. I think when you do travel to other countries, because of language barrier, you can't communicate the same way. So you have to look at each other in the eye. Now with AI is probably going to be a lot easier, but then it's going to be, but it's still going to be difficult. Crazy.

But I think even with all this new technology, people are going to have to be. highly intentional as to why they do what they do to connect yeah otherwise i could just use my phone and have it talk and we could just sit there and just i guess stare at each weird dude you know like it's it's very weird so yeah password bros all that bro it's pretty pathetic though living in florida and you get on a flight to medijine and you see all these dudes and you see him like talking really yeah my wife and i we were just like i was like babe they're all going we're all all go to the same place but just like how they were talking and that's like a real thing bro like like i said we went to medicine for i can't remember we went there twice last year and um this is funny

but then i got kind of like this is weird you know what i'm saying like this is weird because then it becomes to the point where you're not willing to do any work either oh i see you know what i mean like you just think that these people are you want like a servant right yeah I see what like you you refuse to go communicate with the perfectly well-established human being yeah and you just think oh well she's subservant but you're treating me you're still but you're still cheating on this girl yeah so you're still so it's almost like you're kidding yourself by saying that this is what you want but you don't want I think we all just have to admit like call us pay this page just keep it a buck man like you

you want to build or not do you want to have a life or not do you want to build with one person or not and if you can say no i don't then do what you got to do but if you say yeah i want to i want to build i want to do this i want to do then that's what you stay committed to because that's the the the r oi on that i'm experiencing right now and i can tell you it's freaking awesome it's awesome to know that my wife can hold me down she works she's a beast and She has my back, man. Because all you want in the end is that. But you don't want to get it like in the last days.

I think it would be dope to have it in, you know, to like 40 years, like 50 years. It's like you go to someone's wedding and they're like, who's been married 10 years, 15 years? I would love to be like, live long enough to say we were married, you know, 40, 50 years. Yeah. And be happy, though, like not like sleep in separate rooms. Like, because that's weird, you know, and that was, my bad, dude. I got to, I'm so bad.

Damn, you're just pissing all the time. I don't know what the fuck's going on. He broke the seal. Oh, I'm so sorry. No, you're good. We were talking about, um, yeah, we're just talking about, do I piss a bunch on bars?

I don't piss a bunch of. He does? Every time, how many times does he go? I think twice. Really? Well, I'm like twice. No, I'm fucking. I usually go at least once

I drink so much water Yeah Okay sorry I'm so sorry No you're good man So To your wife right And to choosing your wife Yes

How do you decide That someone is worth it Like what's your advice to someone Who's like picking someone Yeah How do you know when someone is like I think You have to change our thought process

You're like I'm picking I think I thought I was picking Sheree but No I think she picked me, meaning, yeah, I was attracted and this and that, and I'm over here trying to spit game at her and stuff. But, like, at some point, she has to follow along. And in order for her to want to pick up her life and move and stay, she had to see something in me, whether I was doing it currently or had the potential to do that.

It goes back to what you were saying. Right. They have to see something in you. So you have to be the change already. like you i think sometimes you know because of like just the pure physical attraction we get so compelled to just be like oh this is my person yeah they just make you feel good i get that but if you were to take that away what would you really have would you even have a friend i see you're just like how do you argue you know i'm a person that grew up in a household where

it was loud and it was a bunch of yelling and debating about everything So I normally like the debate. Does she like to debate? Not so much, but can she hold her own? Absolutely. So it's kind of cool, you know, because I get mentally stimulated that way. But filling out these different, you know, checking these different boxes. And granted, I'm not 20 years old, you know, going through these relationships.

I'm, you know, in my mid-30s at the time. So I think number one man or woman, you got to be right with yourself. you got to be more mindful of that. I'm not saying that you can't casually date, but when we're talking about like, like, oh, I want to be with somebody, you need to be very selective as to what your true intentions are

before you go fuck up someone else's life. Yeah. I think you could easily do that by not being more self-aware. And think of it as a positive. Hey, if I'm good, I'm going to see the good and other people

and I'm also going to see the bad in them too. And I'm going to figure it out. and if I want to help that person also because maybe that person you see potential in that woman she just needs a man a real dude and I think instead of pointing fingers at somebody saying that well she don't do this or he don't do that we need to look at the other three fingers pointing back at us and then putting that much more work into us and then you'll attract that person because I already know if I'm the best version of myself I'm going to attract you know who I have Of course.

And she's going to respect me too. And a lot of guys don't feel respected right now. But they got to understand, like, certain standards you have are lacking. And they see that they just haven't said anything. She's probably just sticking around because she's like, either, A, this is the best I can do, you know, or B, she really loves you, man. And she just wants you to figure it out. But she doesn't know how to help you. And she don't want to, and she don't want to, and then you have those crazy ones that will tell you, you know, who you are.

And you don't want to hear that. your egos involved yeah so it's it's a lot man but i think um to each his own you know but this is not a this is not a um like like my homie ben baller says he's like this is not your practice life so you better figure this out quick yeah you know and just be authentic just be cool you know i think it's all about like this vibe you know you just you've got a problem say it you know yeah communication just seems to be like i think because of of the whole technology shit, it's people are having a more difficult time

just connecting, like actually connecting because they're just connecting. And say it, but like, say it, no one like, look, I'm not going to sit here and act like my wife and I had never had a fight. Yeah. But at what level of disrespect has to be involved? Like, that's different.

Because I started thinking, you know, not too long ago about this, there's a friend of mine who's going through it. And I was like, you know, your problem is, is that you've disrespected your girl so much that she ain't got no choice, but to distance herself from you. Even though she's still living in the house,

you guys still trying to work it out. I said, let me ask you something. Have you ever ever been over me over? He was like, no. Or any of your other boys? No, why you fucking over her? I said, what do you say? He just sat there, man.

I was like, but you sleep with her. You expect her to lay down with you. Yeah. This is weird. You know what I'm saying? like but you would never screw me over right like oh no we you're my guy this and that that's your girl yeah so it's like levels of standards so i feel like you know sometimes people are fooling themselves with what they say they want i think they just want them just so that it looks good you know

it checks off a box for other people to say that he has together you don't have your together and it's okay you can still be with that person and tell your girl like hey I already know. You probably wonder. My ain't all tight right now, but I'm working on it. And this is what I need. And I can promise you if you stick with me on this,

we're going to have a really good life. Yeah. It's just simple. Straightforward shit. Hey, bro. You got your gyms and stuff like that. I want to do a gym with you, but I can promise you.

I never did this before, but I can promise you this. I'll show up on time. I'll communicate with you. I can bring in investors. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I'll never be over, bro.

and you could tell me if I suck and I'll still be a friend. That's, you know? Straightforwardness. It's just, yeah, man, but otherwise we all just live under the guys of like, like the false bravado I was talking about. You know, people just saying all the right things

but not doing the right things. Yeah, a lot of that going on. It's just too much. I've had it. Like, it's just, uh, it's only going to. I've done it too, to be honest, in relationships, 100%. Yeah, organized chaos. Yeah.

insane man like where you almost start an argument just so you can go fly somewhere and go see somebody else Jesus Christ you ain't the only one I've done it yeah I mean you know what I'm saying that's the thing it's like yeah but you know you know the right one exists for sure I think you can't it's undeniable the right one exists you just you just got to be in the pursuit of

doing right on your own yeah that's the key that's the most important part at all I think in business is a law of attraction it's like these things work but you put off some fake shit and you don't get some fake shit back you know it's amazing to think that

some guys online will think that this girl really loves them for who they are when they produce a fake to begin with and the fake and the girls that are doing fake i'm really now i think about i'm really interested in like the next 10 years with this only fan yeah like like man like what is not like like i want to see dysfunction but i'm like will that ever go away will that you know what i'm in like is it going to be yeah is it going to go away

what's the next thing I don't think that goes away I think that's just an evolution of like sex working yeah you know which has been obviously been around forever right so I just think it's just the new evolution of it but

but when AI comes yeah I know it's just like I've seen weird AI counts of like it's not even real people in it yeah deep fake crazy bro I'm wearing the man this is so bad I told Sheree the other day

I said I'm so glad I don't need no Apple Vision Pro she was like what do you mean I said you realize at some point the people who have won't need it the people that don't will need it say what do you mean I'm saying the people that can't afford to fly that's what they're going to use

Metaverse yeah they're going to see it 4K 8K yeah the people that don't have a relationship, we'll have a robot. That's, I know, that's an insane thing. How far are we away from this? I don't think it's that far.

10 years, probably like a solid one. Like solid. Like you probably, you'll probably walk around. And she'll be like, hey Bradley, how you doing? Oh my God. And the minute you say hello back, she's already calculated through her AI to what you're feeling, what drink you want, what liquor you want, what food you want. She already know you.

That's a scary thing. But that's what's coming. So I'm like, you can't watch all these films and people are going to like, feels crazy. You can't watch black mirror. You can't watch all these freaking shows and think like this shit ain't possible. Well, I follow the Boston Dynamics shit on IG and I'm like, wait a minute. Damn thing can jump now. Yeah, yeah.

Well, it's weird because it's like all the stuff that at one point people are like, this is crazy. This will never happen. Like then it's things that are relevant and happening now. So it's only makes sense logically. It's like, oh, all these conceptual ideas. ideas of like like I said that one black mirror where they're the astronauts are in space but they're in the bodies like they're in these like they transfer their consciousness to the bodies on earth and I'm like dude I feel like that's gonna be real I stopped watching it after I think

it was the second episode you know who put me on that was Dexter Jackson he was like hey man you got watch black mirror shit and I was like all right so I watched I watched the first one I was like I can't remember the first episode I watched the second one it was when the two dudes were playing like street fighter and some and it was getting kind of freaky. Yeah. You know what I'm like? Yeah.

I called Dexter up. I said, bro, what the fuck you got me watching? You know? And he's like, bro, it's better.

It gets beyond that. Like just, I was like, no, I'm done. I'm done. That episode tripped me out. I was like,

I can't, man. There's a bunch of, like they're not all consecutive, right? It's obviously different. Right. The different things.

But I was like, wait a minute. Because they can. kept going back. He's like hitting his boy. I'm like, Hey, man, you're going to play a game?

Yeah, I see that. And I'm like, yeah, I see that. Okay. Bro. And then the,

did you finish that episode? No, I had to turn it off because part of me was like, I felt like, I don't know what I was feeling. And then the second part was, I'm thinking if wife he walks in here right now, she can be like,

what the fuck are you watching? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was, but then I thought, I was like, did you see the scene nowhere? he's like they come in person he's like let's kiss and see if it's real no they did they get in person

and they're like because he has this whole weird thing because like i think one of them one of them's like actually gay you got like ken you got chung lee looking character yeah and they're like trying to find over who's going to play who and then they're like fighting he's like yeah yeah we're like the first round fight and they're like really fighting and the second round taking the clothes off full on getting after it i'm like yeah so one I think one is like, one is like in the show one is gay and then, and then they're like, you're fighting this. See, I'm thinking, yeah, his friend must have been in the closet this whole time.

Yeah, yeah. Because the other friend had a family. Yeah, yeah. So that's what tripped me out. He's like, well, see if it's real, like, let's kiss and see if we like it. I swear, but that episode was insane. And then he kissed and they're like, nah, that. See, now you know, I didn't get that far.

I turned the shit off because I was like. I can't, man, like, my, no. But there's some really good, there's this one I'm talking about the astronaut one, which is really good, where it's like they have whole bodies that are like machines, but their consciousness is able to go, since they're in space to go down with their family in this like machine body that's with their family. It's really twisted. So that's like chappy, like the end of chappie.

But it looks exactly like that person. Whoa. And so then they're porting their consciousness to like. Real avatar. Yeah, like their sleep up there. They're awake down here, wake down here. See, I don't know. Crazy, bro.

I feel like that, though, is that's, I don't know how many years. I feel like that's a part of the future. Do you, so what movie do you think could seriously play out within our lifetime? Terminator, dude? Well, yeah. I feel like that's coming. That's for sure. I just, I don't know.

Well, maybe not the actual Terminator coming in from time travel, but I feel like the, it's like between that and like some I robot. Yeah, you got like the robots and stuff. I think we agree on that. What about, basically you're talking about this other show that sounds more like Elysium type of, bro. Have you seen that? Yeah.

That's crazy. Yeah. That shit, I'm thinking, okay, so basically you're building a planet. Yeah. That's where all the rich people live, the elites. Well, now they're, cancer. They're building cities. Have you seen they're building these, like, cities in the Middle East?

It's like giant city with like, it's like sustained, has all this crazy, like, sort of sustainability built into it like i think they're doing one you're talking about the wall like a big giant it's that a giant wall that goes on forever yeah like crazy there's like crazy this is happening they're building yeah they're building it right now yeah on earth obviously not on a different planet but um i mean no they're gonna do it here first right to show that like wait we could build something in an entire freaking desert yeah and have complete sustainable sustainable society yeah and what does that mean like yeah who's gonna live there yeah like why they build that like what about our society that could be sustainable dude it just feels like they're like

it ain't working let's they also they also have enough money right of course to to where they're and they don't have the restrictions they're not yeah dealing with the UN in my I don't think they yeah I don't think they deal with them so yeah and ain't no one going to bomb them for something which is interesting you know ain't no one going to go over there no one's fussing down no Saudi now no no one's going over there I mean shit like we're just now able to do real business with them yeah you know which is nice I mean you see athletes getting paid and doing appearances and stuff but yeah like all that future stuff I think the I robot that that maybe because of the whole robots when every time I see that Boston

dynamic stuff I'm like getting closer yeah getting closer yeah um anything with AI I mean I It's scary But as far as like that Look The black mirror With the Basically you're wearing it right now

Some guy Is wearing his You hear about this guy He's wearing the Apple Vision Pro While driving a cyber truck Oh I saw that I saw that

He don't live that far away from Sheree's parents So they've seen him out Wait this guy's a real I thought it was just a troll He's just driving around Yeah I thought it was just a troll for like a viral clip.

No, Sherey's mom was like, hey, I saw him the other day. I was like, no way. She's like, how does he not get pulled over? I go, I know, right? It's wild. Yeah, I feel like they haven't caught up with wild.

So, yeah, like no phones in the car. Yeah, but you can't do that in California, but you can wear the fucking vision pro, bro. So it's, I don't know what we're going to see in this lifetime or these next five, 10 years, but it's going to be special. It's going to be impressive.

I mean, on the, on the positive note is like, curing disease being able to you know really I don't know man how old are you 34

so your era is going to live to like what 130 I have no idea someone's going to live to like what 120 130 probably mine probably same someone's going to figure this out

man I'm really interested in like what's next is it is it going to be like what's the next biohack you know what i mean yeah like what's the next thing and and how are we going to preserve like nature and stuff like will people even understand like it's important to do grounding is it important to do like the EMF that you know that all that stuff like it's going to be very interesting i i get very consumed with that like

like if I am surfing the internet or if I'm on a plane um I'm not just around I'm like okay biohack this like not just with the peptides but more like like I have infrared sauna in my house I was like the first bodybuilder to my understanding I probably had an infrared sauna a hyperbaric I was doing all that I love all that stuff yeah you do hyperbaric yeah you fit in that thing because you're tall yeah yeah comfortably yeah I'm kind of like this yeah the short shoulders are kind of like rounded. Which one do you use?

This is the Fitarist, the 320? It's the blue one. It's the bigger one. It's like, I know, it's big. This thing's big. So is it?

It has like a sliding. Oh. And it like locks the air. And then you have to like to get out of it, you have to let the air out slowly. Yeah, same thing. So it doesn't,

it's not like a paper one or it's not like the, I don't know what. So it's a hard shell? Hard show. Ooh. So it doesn't need nitrogen? Yes. I believe it has.

I don't wait. So you can't wear, you can't bring your phone in then. Can't wear a ring? I have my phone in there. Oh, then it's not that one because these, man,

unless it be. They got, they're powered by nitrogen. There's ones that have like a mixture of O2 and. Oh, yeah. I want to get one from my house. I have a Vitarist 320.

It's in storage actually in Denver. I still got to go get it. So you've been, you did that during your like bodybuilding career? What the? I was ahead of the game, man. Wow. That's like, 2010, 2010, I was doing that.

Damn, that is ahead. That's way ahead. Everyone. What other things have you done like that? What, like, because I do the red, I have a whole room in here. I can show you on the way out. Oh, cool. Yeah, I did, um, so I did the infrared sauna back in 2006 with the ceramic panels and stuff like that

because you're working on the radiant light instead of the, you know, just going into a sweat box, you know, and shocking the body and stuff. Like this was going to work with your own body. core temperature and it only got up to maybe like 135 to 140 it could get up to 170 everybody allows it right so i was doing that um i've told this story a few times like my routine was getting up in the morning um do the cardio drink the water have a shake um shower go actually no i think well yeah i think i did shower because i took like multiple throughout the day but get into the

into the sauna dry off didn't then do hyperbaric man the first week my urine was like that color so I'm hitting up my doctor friend I was like hey what's going on he goes tell me what you've been doing I told him he goes

you're purging all the toxins from the you know because the earth's oxygen is what 20% so you got like 90% so you got like 94, 96% in that tube, you know, and you're, you know, wearing a mask as well. So now you're at like, you know, really high oxygen level where it's super saturated in the soft tissue, you know, getting those cells really working.

He goes, fill your cells are helping your organ, you know, everything is optimal. So of course, you're going to expel toxins and you're using a sauna that is different. It works different. it helps with these toxins being released through your sweat so yeah congratulations you're gonna live a lot longer healthier life and i'm like okay so then you know you just started thinking about what's next you know what does lymphatic drainage mean what is this mean um i was doing on that grass and before a lot of other people before they that up you know you see people was like bruising their skin you know because they're like scraping and stuff i'm like you

I don't really have to do that. I was doing DRX 9,000, you know, the traction machine. I was doing traction with acupuncture, with stem and oxygen all at the same time, three days a week. Oh, shit. Damn. Because I knew, bro, like. You ever red light?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I got one of, I got my wife a mask, too. Yeah, just to wear and shit. Yeah, I want to get a room, just all those panels. Yeah. Who do you go through? because you know everybody so like i can get i can hook you up for sure yeah i'd like to see that

yeah because it's i believe in the tech you know anytime i can reduce inflammation and all that stuff and increase the collagen production in my body yeah that's what this is about see these are the things that i love chatting about with people um kids don't kids you know that's so funny dude kids fuck they don't but they don't talk about this stuff i'm like because they don't have to yet you know their skin's great everything's good but it's like why not get ahead of that kind of stuff to be honest i mean if i had all this tech right now i'd be using all of it bro yeah because you wouldn't need no botox you wouldn't need all this other stuff your skin everything would be so healthy like and your body would just be more primed um have you had any

injuries just the shoulder one just the shoulder yeah but no surgery no no fuck no thank god fine look at um what's it call um ls laser therapy too I'll text you. I'll show it to you. I don't get paid from it or anything. For what? For the shoulder. Yeah.

Yeah, it works on, you know, you get like K lasers and stuff that produce heat. Yeah. This one, it'll actually, um, actually, my videographer, Joe and I, we were getting off the flight in Denver. This guy was talking about his shoulder, his knee and everything else. And I was like, I was like, you in Denver? He was like, yeah. He's like, I know you are. I was like, hey, um, go to this clinic.

They, you know, they scan your body. and they'll just run this red light over it it's not like your red light but it is a laser yeah and it helps bring so much um you've noticed a difference with that dude like after the first like the second day i did it because i had to do it on my stomach because i had that hernia surgery especially the second one that's brutal um because i had full dietasasus red tie i had um they had to bring it back together like this titanium staples mash here mesh there So that's what really made my career, like, you know, because I was, because the recovery is just, you know, it was painful for me. I could still come back now, but.

You think you could still compete now? Yeah, I could, but like. Like Olympia level? Yeah, like, God damn. Easily. It's just, what for? Like, like, some things you just got to, like, let go. Yeah.

You know? and there will be somebody and oh he couldn't it's like if you lived in this body you would be like yeah if you lived in this body you'd be like yeah because of the fact that you know I know

what modalities work I know what medications work as well and I have the data to prove what works you know but then it's just like what's the purpose what's the drive what's the end goal you gotta have an end at some point you know you gotta you know

say goodbye and And that, and that's where I feel like a lot of athletes, especially in bodybuilding, they don't know when. Yeah. And then they'll get like that one placing that's like top three at a major show. And then that'll keep them going. Chasing it, yeah. Which they may not ever be number one in the world or number two in the world. But they'll say, oh, yeah, you know, I can every now and again get third.

And I'm like, well, how much money does that pay you? Do you really enjoy it? what what could you be doing with that time and all that energy probably a whole lot probably make you know a hundred times more money and establish whatever goal that you were supposed to be doing in the first place having it a lot faster it's just the the drug of competing you know it's uh once that becomes your identity i mean that's when you start starts getting it can get dark and get nasty that's my concern with a lot of influencers right now yeah is that if they're doing this like I know influencers because I work

with Jim Shark some have like left and then they work for another company and I'm like you guys realize like at some point in time if you're thinking about and these are like 20 year old kids like what's your life going to look like at 30 because if you're already working for like three different brands and clothing just now over two years you think your fans going to think of you being like, wow, we should follow this person because they're saying that this is the latest and greatest. And I get it, one thing with apparel, but like, we're talking about like supplements. Yeah. I mean, it's even with apparel, it's just, like, it's, I think people get confused. They, I think every time you sell something, your chances of like continuously to sell, like,

if you were jumping around from brand or brand, it just, it's less because then they are like, well, weren't you just about that one? Right. And I don't think people understand that. I think they just look at money I can get a bigger check can I get a bigger check here it's like okay but that only goes out now it's finite and then then what I'm interested that I'm just always about this data I wish that we could figure it out like well it's it's like being happening now right it's like the last 10 years right so 10 years from now we'll have it yeah we'll have some data on it because you know you're seeing j and i were talking about this the other night he was like you know how he talks he goes bro yeah he goes bro

you go some of these kids bro they're making like a million dollars and i was like how are they he's like 20 and i was like dude that is wild but if it becomes i shouldn't say easy because it's still hard still a lot of work um there could become recklessness with this yeah that no different than an NBA person you know getting their first real money they're broke yeah so you know you hope that um they all do the right things what's uh obviously you have your website yeah you you have your brands and stuff when did you realize that it was important to like um buy IP like trademark your names and all that stuff oh how long how far into it i would say like probably four years yeah four years when i realized like oh this is this is important yeah um

I mean, I made tons of mistakes along the way in business and, you know, trusting people that shouldn't have trusted. But, yeah, four years is when I realized, like, okay, this is, I need to, I need to, like, protect this kind of stuff. Yeah. And then, and then, you know, there's other things that, like, you just can't protect, other things that, you know, people just, they either rip off or they take or whatever it is.

And you just kind of, I guess, charges of the game, you're kind of just like, that suck, that happened, but. Yeah. Yeah. Because I've been through the ringer in the industry with people and the companies and, you know, being used. Yeah. Have those people communicated with you since all that? Or is that still fresh? Or is it stuff that like? No, most of the time people who kind of use and abuse, they tend to believe that they're not doing that. Yeah. They're in the right. And, you know, even though all of the actual facts and. like everything that actually happened is like says otherwise people don't like to take accountability like you're talking about earlier they don't want to say yeah you know when they're wrong so it'd be nice but it's not realistic to have someone that wronged you in any way

fess up and it's not even asking for forgiveness right but it's more like hey i did do that yeah they could be a dick and be like no i did do that yeah you know and and but at least you know, yep, I did, man. Yeah. And that's who I am. The problem with the internet is like it's a place where people can do things and kind of sort of create a narrative for their own financial benefit and greed. So for them to come back and actually tell the truth at some point, never make sense

for them because they already benefited from the greed and why would they want to come back and go, you know what I did that person over? They don't want to say that because it makes more sense for them to look like victorious or virtuous in the situation like, no, I just did this. and dude it's it's a mess man that's so true i mean we're seeing it nonstop so it keeps uh what's that website baller buster ball busters or whatever keeps those guys what website is that ball but ball but i was like online and i and i see this this post about just a lot of people like this company they call out like uh fake influencers goob is another one i don't

if you follow him he's funny as hell um i think a lot of people like you said like they're willing to rip someone off and then before you know it they're like making so much money it's out of control so like no one cares and that's the part because it'll be like oh i'm i'm an expert it's like yeah but like if someone pulled the receipts on how you got there but then you'd still find some moron that would be like I'll still give them my money. Yeah, of course. You know, so it's... I know all about it, dude.

Yeah. I've experienced it with the clothing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Good old young L.A. Young law. Yep. Good old Robbie and Gary

fucking over for eight years. Prettied like they didn't... See, I don't even know these folks. See, that was the thing about with me, man. Like, I don't know a lot of people in this industry because I was so fixated on winning the sandals. Yeah. I wouldn't know who the fuck you're talking about.

Yeah. So I could, and I've definitely gotten screwed in some businesses because I was so focused on that. Yeah. And not, and not like having anyone to, you know,

really reference. I'd be like, oh yeah, they're a good guy, this and that. That's exactly what happened. I mean, I wasn't in bodybuilding,

but I was so focused on making content that I wasn't so focused on like, no, these guys, I met them, this hole in the wall, they wouldn't, me over.

I've been to dinner with their family. They wouldn't fuck me over. I've been to this, event like i had sort of like that sort of rapport that i'm like no this even though they were doing the same thing the whole time and kind of leveraging the whole like oh switch the logo make the same thing order the same items like blah blah blah here's a thousand we could order 50 like and then it's just it's there's crazy levels to this and at the end of the day they steal my customer list

they act like they didn't do it or they don't know why that happened there's no explanation and it's like the the problem is yeah i i i at one point in the very beginning i i i i i feel always felt these ways and I was just kind of like I could get because I was always just kind of been that person trying to protect myself because of my childhood like oh people are trying to me because someone's you know my father left me and everyone's gonna whatever but I felt like no they were they were decent enough to me that they wouldn't do that um you let your guard down and well and I focused on the content I focused on making this and pursuing that and then

then it was too late and then and then they allowed it you know there's the balance right it's like the minute a person becomes hyper focused on their craft they leave themselves open for certain things to happen yeah and it's like it's like it's your fault but it's not because you're thinking okay well you just think some people would have a soul right you know and we have to know and i'm saying this too because you know at one point in time i had my own supplement company and that particular person decided to not do right by us and it just was a total disaster and you know he still goes to expos and still sells product that I came up with you know and it is what it is and people are friends with them and I'm like could I fight the world

and be like why are you cool with him and this and that I'm like to think that's your own relationship I just need to know that this is my circle this is my box this is where I stay this is where I protect my energy but thanks for the learning lesson I will never let that happen again and it was and you know even for myself I think what if we what if that didn't happen at some point in time we're probably same with you probably would have made a ton of money with these people and you still would have went your separate ways and maybe maybe it would have been worse because you would have been looking at even more money that got whether it embezzlement or just maybe it would have tarnished your name because it would have been a bigger

deal that's that's another part of it they allowed that to happen too the athletes knowing what it was ran their mouths about me for their own benefit and in a minute that i made a video and said hey this is what happened and i gave the receipts the photos like screenshots yeah you don't want to silence not a single word well no one's because and this goes full circle with our conversations so like you can give someone the truth but yet they've committed so much sin that they can't just atone for it because they don't want to be, you know, really held accountable. And then they realized that at that point in time, man, we did this person dirty. Oh, I mean, they knew it.

I think they just focused on money and that's all they care about. At some point, I think everybody, before it's too late, I think, I should say everybody, I'm not God, but I will say that like if you believe in any type of afterlife, man, that's a scary thing that you should want to even dream of going into those last breaths. I would hate to know that

I had the opportunity to make it right and chose money over a person. I would have rather, you know it would be cool if people that do these things? but make the money and hang you a check one day. No, seriously. Yeah.

No, like, hey, I'm bawling. I'm doing my thing. Hey, what's up, man? Just, yeah. It's ego, though. It's the, it's the, the reason why it happens is because they don't believe that they're doing anything wrong. Some people can't share the ball.

We're playing hoop, man. Some people can't share the rock. Some people have to be the star. You're already probably a star to them. I don't know these people. I'm just saying, like, it happens in relationships all the time. Some people have been beaten down their whole entire life, or they're just completely born as an asshole.

But they could easily be like, you know what? This is my chance. I can be the star. I can be the man. I'll do the work. I'll do some gray area over here. But it's about making them money. so as I'm making that money

everything's going to be all right because this guy did it this guy did it this guy did it this guy did it this guy did it and um you know what's their integrity worth maybe not much

and they'll hope that they could buy it back later on or at least I think they'll they'll never try to buy it back they'll probably just try to look so wealthy that people will just focus on their money and their belongings

that they'll No one will ever get to know the real them anyway. But we've all seen that play out too. You end up living long enough to be the villain. Or you become the billionaire that wants to kill himself. Because you haven't found real purpose. You've really just, you didn't do it the way that you had hoped. The last thing that someone probably wants in last days is just that feeling of, wow,

it was a fraud. Because imagine not out living. the people who you over like yeah and you have no certainty of where you're going up or down

and you're like damn I'm about to die damn this person can be cursing my name forever you ain't gonna be you ain't got no trophies or no money up there

so it ain't gonna matter it's about how you make people feel you know it's very interesting I think about that a lot where I've noticed like people have you know said things done things and my shit wasn't as blatant um but i did have to leave my own supplement company you know at one point that that that was that was hard but i i made a point to not allow it to affect me where i couldn't compete yeah you know i made sure i was like okay

he's going to do something stupid he's got everybody on his team you know running their mouth and this and that blah blah and i was like just just win just because that's what i had control over so for you it's just just i mean obviously you're winning you know that's that's the best satisfaction i think one can have just like that that didn't you know matter as much as i thought it would and you don't have to um curse their name at all it's just more like you learn lessons expensively or inexpensively You know, and maybe that was an expensive lesson, but you learn from it, you know, and that's where you can, you know, within your podcast, within your book, you know, you share that. And, you know, sometimes with social media, too, we have to realize that it may only be one person that gets it.

And some people are like, I don't know what the guy's talking about. One person got it. Yeah. It'll be valuable to that one person that probably runs with a lot of these jewels that were dropping. and go make something of themselves or you know but yeah it's uh the fitness industry i'll never forget man being in joe weeder's office and kye and i are in there and and i shared the story before but kai says because you know kai can be long-winded yeah and cryptic so we're in joe's office in willan hill

and man he had two offices he had one that had like plastic on the furniture and shit because it was like antique like pristine he had like all this artwork that you could tell it was like millions of dollars in this room is it the one down is it by my old gym that spot the old weeder headquarters

yeah like it's down the street from my old gym yeah yeah you know it's gone now but yeah that's where it was yeah so we go into this other room where he gets all the deals him and guy says you know and i'm going to summarize kai was like and joe's like like half asleep he's old you know he's like have asleep just doing like one of these and kind of's like so like what basically he was saying like what was the motivation behind like creating all of this and you know you and ben and this and that he just went on and on and joe just goes the money

guy's face i swear was just like like a kid just found out that there was no santa class you know so i'm like look at that guy like do you not understand you know what i'm saying but i but guy's very creative you know he's very eccentric so i wasn't trying to make fun of him i was just like maybe he doesn't get it but let me let me um let me answer this one so i said joe can i say something And he's like, yeah, sure. I think what Joe's saying is that without having the mindset of creating money with him and his brother with the newspaper that later became a magazine and later became all these other things, we wouldn't be here.

Without them focusing on making money, we would not be here because they were being innovative. They created a newspaper next thing you know, they created a magazine. They created, you know, they created supplements, they created equipment, they created accessories. they did all this stuff they created contests they went through those wars with the AAU back in the day with Bob Hoffman

and creating the IBB the IBB is not just a federation of bodybuilders but Ben was like the liaison he was the one working with like other governments you know this was a guy that was trying to get bodybuilding as an Olympic sport

yeah so this is like but it all started with vision of doing one thing but then they realized that they didn't make money man we actually wouldn't be none of us actually we all benefit from uh joe and ben weeder everybody anybody that does fitness anyone is an influencer right now doing fitness doing that and here's why because he sat me down and kai grabbed our hands like we were his children and he and he goes we built this for all of you you never have to take a slice from each other

I was like he's actually right because professional bodybuilders have to you know compete with influencers that can outwork them on content nonstop but there's still space for all of us yeah to earn

so circling back to you it's like therefore there's people that don't need kill over you know like just create better product like you're gonna get yours like don't worry about it like everything's gonna work out just fine or collab and just figure it out that way yeah but on the way up when you needed it they did it switch logos here and there that's how they did it shit yeah that's uh that's pretty fucked up but on a positive man i mean it's all good would you would you not have it any other way though

like at least you know who not to have christmas with yeah i just wish i i wish i would have spoken about it sooner i let them get a long way away with it that was my mistake yeah so And it becomes a legal and, you know, like a legal thing and so much energy. I guess I just look at it differently now. I can say this being 10 years old than you. When I was 34, I was like in my Kanye stage where everybody must respect me type of thing. That's what I felt. It's hilarious.

No, when he was in his mid-30s, it's like, you must respect me. Yeah. Then, I mean, he still gets like that, right? But like, you know, you get in that mode where like I worked my ass. ass off. I've been through the fire. Like, you bitch, you better respect me. And it's like, yeah, okay. Someone's going to disrespect you again. Yeah, for sure. So you just have to carry your energy in a space where it's like, no, like, I'm going to create some moats within this business to where people can't, you know, mess with me. And I'm going to assume that even though

I can have lunch and dinner with you, I can even share a holiday with you and your kids, that there's a potential chance. If you see an opening, you're going to go for it. You're going to be a predator and you're going to attack what I built. And, you know, I tell every influencer, every bodybuilder competitive or not, you should own your name. Trademark it right away won't happen. Yeah. Also be careful who you work with.

Yeah, I guess we have to figure out a better screening process and you only work it out. It's like girlfriends, you know, it's like you don't know the right one until you get over by one. That's what, that's what it was. You know, that's really what it is because business is, that type of, business is a marriage yeah you know when you're talking about big money and stuff and i know my thing was thinking that everybody like that i would associate with had the same heart

as i did meaning yeah exactly oh they would never do that like i'm a good dude like i'm presenting myself as how i want to be treated yeah they're just assholes man like you know like so in order to not harden your heart i personally believe like you got to create like your own community you know I'm in that community you can hit me up anytime but it's just you got to you know engage with those people so then it's like all right you ain't alone in anything so then you can't so then you can keep going otherwise we all end up kind of searching for love somewhere or something and then it be in all the wrong places like the song says and then yeah it it you will get over. But more often than not, I think, especially with the way the world is, you can see

the trends, you can see how people act, you can see what people talk about in their spare time. I mean, you can go on IG and see what people, what they like. Yeah, dude. Imagine auditing your friends and seeing what they like and what they DM you. At some point, you might want to have a conversation like do you get any work done man you sending me meme and bro I used to do that all the time because I was just always trying to be funny

with my close friends and I realized I was like I should probably cut that out because they probably think I get no work done you know what I mean yeah I'm just sending you like five messages I just imagine I'm just imagine being your group chat just getting memes all the time being like is Phil doing I'm like taking a shit like you know but

on the cardio or whatever but no it's like on the cardio is acceptable that makes sense cardio is acceptable damn man after a while like I got to send I guess I I try to balance it out by saying if I'm going to say let's say I'll sing you something

funny I got to sing you something like of value too serious yeah a little motivational well not even motivational bro like a personal speech is like I can be doing that I don't be doing that hey rally you know like it's your boy like make sure you're squeezing your glutes on the fucking stepmill

right lift three more women on that my bad but you know what I'm like that's funny put another one on that hole you know yeah lift that no um hey probably don't get canceled this week you know like don't say anything keep it up bud right I should do like a I should do an app

where I'm like hitting people up like that every day when they would just pay and it'd be like which type of service do you want do you want like the motivational one i feel like that's cameo it's called cameo i have cameo i don't use it i have it because there's man it's some funny on there i like yeah guys will be like hey can you tell my friend he's a big wimp in the gym and they should train legs i'm like dude you're gonna spend this type of money on that i yeah i just can't do that i can't do it i'm like i don't i turned it off for a little bit because it was getting kind of out of hand even though I was making good money from it it was getting out of hand though

um and then businesses started getting in and I was like nah this is to promote your promote your gym and all this other stuff like I should be and then he feel bad I see yeah and then they finally came out with a part where you could charge like um uh businesses but then I was like then it's just like doing brand deals right right right right and for some people it would probably work for me I mean there's you know every now and again I'll I'll get a few it's usually around like holidays where I will do it because a lot of the time I've noticed and this is where I get to gamify again some women don't know what to get their boyfriends their husband they're messaging you what should I buy my fucking no they're saying hey my husband is really into weightlifting

and he thinks the world of you and I didn't think what a better gift to give him but a positive message going into 2024 from bill heath oh I see Because he has everything. I have them husband that has everything. This is it. I see, I see. You know,

stuff like that or, or hey, I just got one the other day. My friend, he, there's some serious ones too. This guy, he didn't go through the extent of the accident,

but he is now an amputee. Oh. Yeah. So you get those. So that's why I keep it because like, you're going to, I'm going to get like those. I feel like I just use my DMs for that.

But I don't get DM that. Oh. Yeah. But if you ever like, because sometimes it doesn't put a black screen and just type like, you'll send me anything. Oh, send me anything? And people just send me that kind of shit.

Well, yeah. What's the weird you get sent? Oh, the weird. I mean, anything you can think of it. It's weird. I mean, my audience is like 99% male.

So it's like just imagine. It's just like anything weird. People like, mean this is you know this like guys are like you flex for money like for me type i don't get that call come on come on don't think it's like a me that's just a me thing yeah you never got that when you were bodywin early they were never like yo bro like they would come up to you they would come up to you they would come up to you in person and say this because because you know how that started is well at least how i know is that they would be these guys are predators man like they would go

to these amateurs at like a miss USA or something like that they know you know you and spent like all your money on this contest prep and and that's crazy and they figure oh well how about i offer you some money to go take some pictures in a hotel room that's crazy and some of the not even some a lot of these guys yeah taking pictures by the pool you know like that taking a picture first of all i sold underwear once so i'm just saying that's a true story i'd sell my posing trunks yeah i did that once yeah when i was like fucking Yeah, someone said, hey, I want to buy your... Because I, you know, as I still have them.

That lets you know that I probably still want to compete, right? So, I have like a bag of them and stuff, but... You're like, excuse me, they didn't want to buy them. No, man, like, you know who told me that was Jay? Jay was like, dude, you know someone would have paid top dollar. I was like, bullshit. He's like, bro, bro, I shouldn't have done it, but, like, he had sold a pair. I'm like, there's no way.

That's hilarious. But I know someone would. They probably, yeah, for sure, they're... Of course they would. So weird. It's interesting. Bronzer stains and all. Oh my God, dude.

There's probably someone, something for everybody on the internet. It's so strange. But yeah, no. No flexing, nothing like that. You know, it's funny. They usually hit up Cherie. And say what? Well, some guys say some very inappropriate stuff, but she's a big girl.

She handles that. They say, can feel like. Why am I saying this on your fucking? Bro, it's hilarious. No, you got to say this. I already got to know where he's going. I have a feeling. It's like, yeah, can he like jack off into like a thing and then send it so then I can inject it into my body?

That's what this guy wrote. Bro, what the fuck? I was not expecting that. No, I was not expecting that. Bro. That's insane. Insane. What the fuck is he?

What, you inject the seam in, bro? I'd never heard of that. Me neither? until I see it I'm like you gotta be shit wow like man people are crazy like when you say people are crazy what does he think is gonna come of that

like you're just gonna he's gonna look like Phil Heath or what first of all we already know that it doesn't work like that second of all how like how is this gonna play out yeah well also it I feel like it's always some weird sexual thing like where's the pleasure in that injecting semen dude what the that's insane Insane.

Damn. What's the craziest thing someone has done to you at an expo? Oh. I feel like I've never, I've never had weird things. Roger.

Remember? I DM you every week. I mean, I get that's normal, though. I've never got anything really that crazy in person. Why don't you ever send me any ass shots, bro?

I'm saying you ass shots of mine on it? No, I'm just fucking with you. No, I've never got that. I've never got a shit like that. I always get normal person. Yeah. Only we. We're online.

I had a guy bused through the freaking security and grab my ankles, kiss my shoes at the Olympia Expo. Right at the Olympia Expo floor. What shoes you have on? I had some J's on. You know me,

but like, he was like, he was like, you don't know what I can go, bro. I was like, oh, shit. He goes, now go kick Kai Green's ass. And he just ran off. Saying, yeah, like that. I was like, and I'm looking at security.

He kissed one shoe. were both shoes, bro. Grab my ankles and everything. This guy was like $2.50 like jacked. I'm like looking at security like, bro. All y'all are fired. He just broke through detail. That shit's hilarious though. That's funny.

Yeah. Oh, I still laugh at it. The scene one was like twisted. That was very twisted. This one's funny though. That's great. I've never had anything like that. I always just did weird at expo. I was like I squatted the hoverboard at an expo once. I was going to say like people were probably because because of the shit that you do online that they're probably like

can you like bench press me yeah i'm lifting girls every single time i ever went that has to get annoying right put me on the shoulder i don't care it's easy how many dates dates from that oh never it's always it's it's always it's always it's always it's always a dude who'll be like you can like my can i put my girl up whoa yeah there's that part about expos that are weird yeah now i start thinking about it yeah guy did that the other day at the arnold yeah you there's some weird fetish dudes, man, that go to these expos. For sure. Guys bring their wives.

No. No. No. Yeah. That's crazy. And then this guy brought his lady and he's kind of like giving you like one of those looks and she's got bolt on, you know, out to here. And I'm laughing because I'm thinking

I know what this fool wants. He wants. guys like me to go be like, oh, dudes, great. Let's take a selfie. You know what I mean? Like, this is not, this is probably the millionth time I've seen fake boobs in a photograph.

They weren't like the outrageous ones because I've seen those that you want a roundhouse. No, the ones that they're just like, yeah, like the ones you want to kick. They're like balloons. Yeah, that's very strange. They showed up at the Olympia. I'm sure. I think I saw that.

Yeah, I saw Sean Ray. He was taking a picture with it. I was like, that pervert of course sean ray weird old like i thought it's funny dude i've heard stories about that motherfucker i don't know i have too we're not touching that he's not here to defend himself yeah no no fair not fair

that's funny some funny ones yeah yeah dude that's crazy yeah but the the guys at the expos man bringing their girls to these shows man it's it's very bizarre because you could tell like they're i mean they're swingers they're weird what they're into there's just what they're into and yeah you would never think like you know this is about health and wellness is not man like yeah there's always somebody so yeah there's always a little dark shit there for sure yeah that's just thinking just thinking what else yeah a guy saying we're gonna go meet bradley martin and you're gonna there he is you're gonna ask him

the bench press you yeah or get on his shoulder let him squat you curl you done all that and he and he went home and was the happiest man alive yeah i don't know i don't know man couldn't be me i just couldn't ever see myself being like yo can you pick my girlfriend up bro that's a pure violation i couldn't do like i'd have to throw the white powder to slap myself if i ever thought of that shit like don't even go take a picture like me personally i'm like now. Can I tell you a funny one? So this was at Expo. Fuck, man.

This poor lady. Okay, so, you know, guest posing, I'm guest posing everywhere. And I'm guest posing at this contest. And, you know, you need, like, pro tan and stuff. You know, you get tanned up before you go on stage and whatnot. Yeah. I was like, hey, because I would help me out.

excuse me. I was like, hey, can someone help me out with this? And so this guy was like, hey, I got the spray gun. We can do that. And then, you know, you got to let it dry and all that. And then I needed the bronze or, you know, the oil before I went on stage. So the promoter was like, hey, I'll have someone to help you. And that person didn't show up. So one of his other ladies was like, yeah, I'll help you. And I met her earlier.

She seemed nice. So, I'm pumping up with the other competitors. I don't have a private dresser room. Yeah. I'm just like, I'm just going to pump up with everybody. So this lady come by, she's like, oh, yeah, your color's off a little bit. Let me get someone to help you. As you know, she's like, hey, you got to go up on stage.

Let me help you put the oil on. Now, this is nothing different than I normally would do when I'm competing. The problem is that she went from like straight up farm girl to like model with the long dress and I said question why are you wearing a dress she goes oh well they ran out of um girls to hand out a ward so I had a dress I was just like trying to help the promoter out and I was like oh that's cool so long of the short of I see people like talking and stuff and I was like here we go like like as if I'm like hollering at her type of thing I guess pose everything's fine I come back that following year promoters like hey I got to tell you something about that girl

I was like, what happened? The next year? The next year, bro. He was like, hey, I got to tell you a funny story. It's not so funny. I said, what happened? He says, remember that girl? I said, yeah, she was really nice.

I said, please don't tell me she's like dead or something like, you know, like something like traumatic. He goes, no, no, no. Like he goes, when she will help oil you up, which I don't let no female like oil down here. You know, I ain't doing that because that don't look right. Yeah. You know. So I guess her boyfriend, fiance found out and I guess here's how this happens someone was started yeah like oh yeah she got

all dressed up for Phil Heath and this and that and next you know she went as long as dress she helping him out they're talking he gets her in the car they start talking he starts they're having an argument he dropped her ass off on the fucking highway in the snow bro in fucking Michigan so I'm looking at the promoter like there's no way that this happened He goes, no, seriously. Would she wearing the same dress? Oh, shit. No, she was wearing a dress from that night.

He dropped her ass off on the fucking I way, wearing a sequins dress. Should wear a sweater. Right? See, you're cold bloodied. I know, it's fucked up. So here's me joking around. I was like, hey, man. He just told me, but she was like, yeah, that.

I was like, it was true? She's like, yeah. What the fuck? She was like, Phil, this was like the scumming. of the earth. I thought he was going to be with a husband and I was going to have his kids. I go, well clearly not. Did you slide? Did you slide?

Me? Yeah. No. Okay. That wasn't that time. No. Fair, fair, fair. I had my share on, you know, back then. Yeah. That was, oh, gosh, those were a wild days. The amount of um, oh boy.

Yeah. Thank God my wife came in when she did. Saved you, huh? Bro. I was terrible. I was terrible. But I learned. Yeah. I learned. We all do.

Expensibly, I learned. I still pay. No, but. Like literally still pay? I think I still pay. That sucks. Still has a house in my name.

Oh, God. Yeah. I still pay. Damn. Yeah, man. Good thing I made money, though. Yeah. Jeez.

But yeah, no, dude. like you have to laugh at some of your your life you know and actually got to laugh at a lot of it yeah you know it's it's just designed to test you and sometimes you have to once you get through it like you can laugh like during is very hard no one's laughing when they're getting their house of course you know um you don't have any regrets do you regrets yeah no I wish I of things things I kind of could have done differently but it would have changed the whole trajectory right you believe in that yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I believe in that and I and I and I believe in that so much so that like because I can look back on a lot of my life and see that things that have

happened to me at one point I was so unhappy with how it was but I look back now and I know okay that that added so much so many beautiful things to my life now that I'm able to like see now I just didn't see then so I have to believe that even moving forward in my life the things that I felt really hurt or violated or you know the story I was telling you earlier that at some point I'll be able to look back and go hey this also is adding so much to my life it's just not in the moment you know it's like the almost feel like the way our lives are one way or another we're supposed to get to a certain destination yeah problem is is that that destination may change based on our actions so like there's a certain sequence that we were probably supposed to follow but

we decided to that up yeah So, yeah, you hope that it's a desirable destination. Something you look back at and be like, man, it all made sense. Like, this is pretty dope. Yeah. Otherwise, you're like, damn, this is it. Holy shit. I still think, like, I have to believe in that because for me,

basketball made it, not making it past college, got me in the bodybuilding. yeah bodybuilding opened up i mean hell i've traveled the world a million times over got to meet a lot of people but i'm sure when you were basketball you thought that was it dude i probably suffered the most depression in my life not making it when really i did yeah see that's the that's the part is that you know when you lack gratitude for what you had previously experienced because you're wanting more, more and more and more. I shouldn't be complacent, but I should be very thankful that I was able to, you know, be a part of a Division I program that was just starting.

The University of Denver was not a Division I program when I signed with them. They were a Division II program. So we were just growing. And I had other schools I could have went to, but I chose this one because I figured, well, 50 years from now, I'll probably be honored as one of the first. First, you know, guys, and I'll be this old-ass, you know, being acknowledged for something done well. And also, I was also playing with a freaking pro in high school, Jamal Crawford. Shout out to Jamal.

I wasn't going to score all the points my senior year, you know, he's a freaking pro. So I thought, well, since I'm good enough, I would be scoring all the points in college. Fuck, no, I barely played. And that crushed me. But I would have never found bodybuilding if I, if that had. hadn't happened yeah it's just and I talk about it in my documentary um coming out soon that it's um in the moment you feel like you're alone in the moment you feel like even suicidal you know you're depressed um but if you can just get through it you know if you can just like

wake up another day and just keep going it can be a little slow you don't want to be slow but slow is still progress if that's how deep you are you know you still got to move but if you can

just keep pushing you can look back and be like man like I'm glad I you know I'm glad I got through that because that was dark that was ugly

but now I'm able to you know possibly be the light you know for somebody else but again when you're in it yeah

feels like it's never ending bro it's like the worst leg day you could ever have and it keeps going and going and you're never going and you're never going to survive but you are surviving yeah it's crazy speaking of legs i got to train some yeah i haven't trained legs in like a month i don't do them wow i don't do them that's how you know i'm not competing because i'm like well what but you do train upper body though train like two three days a week it feels good upper body huh legs hurt dude I like training legs. I did too. I did too. Yeah, you don't do a lot of leg stuff. Recently, I haven't. I'm not going to lie.

Why? I don't know. If you could train with anyone, who would you train with? Like in their prime? No, non-bodybuilder. Non-bodybuilder. Yeah, non-bodybuilder. I was going to say Ronnie Coleman in this prime.

That would have been insane. That would have been insane. Yeah. I don't know if you'd survive that, dude. I've seen that shit. I mean, that'd be different. damn that's a good question alive or dead okay you get one of each okay um well i really want to meet elan musk so i'm gonna say Elon Musk because i just because i want to meet him right and i feel

like that'd be the best setting for me to meet anyone because that's like where i feel home yeah um you wouldn't push him too hard wish he probably just walk out we'd hit shoulders shoulders and arms you know he looks like a pretty big dude though like for his height he's tall right yeah he's taller yeah yeah yeah and then uh probably my dad dad yeah yeah yeah i'd train with my dad he it'll be 10 years that he passed this month yeah i'd train with him that would have been fun especially in his prime was he jack where you think i got the calves from man like you know i mean he wasn't like jack jack but like he was yeah he was um he was athletic yeah and me you got to catch a workout one of these days man yeah we haven't done that i'd love to

i got to get my strength up i'm still strong i know you are still strong because then all your followers be like oh my god he's so much more stronger than phil i'd be like yeah dude but check this out but it's like who gives us yeah no I mean I um this year I'm making it more about you know just hanging out and yeah and being in the gym and stuff like that actually building a gym over in Michigan nice to come check it out dude yeah I'd love to all panata equipment dude I've heard about I've been talking to the transcend people about it yeah so we got that one and then I'll have another one too where same around around the area okay that'll probably have like a little bit more of a Phil Heath Playhouse type of thing like I want to have like um you know other in there other than weights probably uh all the modalities but then like i'm a gamer so i want to have like video games like but old school like arcade style like the big ones and stuff i want to do yeah i want to have that i want to have like all my um i just want to have a lot of stuff all the stuff that i think about all the stuff that i wanted as a kid

like i want to have it in this warehouse where it's really just going to be for me and my boys to just come through and like real man cave like yeah has weights in it you know go do that watch fights drink yeah smoke smoke cigars yeah oh sweet yeah i liked you yeah i'm coming by for sure oh yeah we're gonna have all that man i have it now but yeah actually i'm already thinking about so okay i already have it set up now we're gonna have ernie take us on a range day Oh, wait, he's got some shit. Yeah, he was telling me that. Bro, I've seen it.

It's massive. Like Arsenal, for real? Yeah. He has some really cool rifles, man. Like, dope is fucking rifles. I love shooting. And was the last time he got shooting? I haven't gone in some time.

Yeah. It's a little more like cumbersome out here. You know, it's not as cool. Hey, we're shooting today. yeah yeah no i don't know oh gosh yeah no i i didn't matter if i went what a couple months ago about two three months ago with hony out in dallas he was all excited because he moved there you know for evogen he moved his business there smart and he's like we got to go shooting i'm like you just want to go shooting because you can finally take me to a range where you get to have like

full on yeah he's like yep i'm like yeah no we have to that's like a must so when you come up we'll definitely do that we'll definitely hit the gym and uh what what's your foods like like do you like you just eat anything like for the most part yeah i like steak and good steak i'm a steak rice guy steak and rice what's the most calories you've ever eaten for like a for like a comp prep were you ever doing like crazy numbers well the kai fill years those were crazy because kai could put down some food you've seen them eat right oh yeah There's no catching that. And there's no catching him.

Yeah. If it was eating like a pound of cod, a meal. It was like, I don't even. I tried that. And by the third week, I was like, I'll vomit. Like, this is not okay. This is not okay. Um, I was doing uncooked.

Um, so like, well, cooked, I was going to say cooked 12 ounces, chicken, steak. fish it's almost a pound so i was doing that i was doing like five pounds of protein per day oh yeah that's how i scaled it i didn't say oh i was eating six thousand calories but i was doing five pounds five to five and a half pounds of protein just protein per day with like half of that coming from carbs so whether they've been rice or potatoes i was doing that that was like the the craziest diet i was ever doing and that was because i was trying to make sure i was like big because look man when you're you're next to a kai green in his offseason and obviously i'm like i was the guy that

wanted to scale back on peds and training during certain points in time of the year just to be keep my body fresh well he wasn't he would be like 300 pounds and you see the pictures like he was freaking shredded you know i was like okay this guy looks like mr olympia i mean you know and i don't so I need to fix this. I was like starting to eat, eat, eat, eat. I'm starting to gain weight. I'm like, this is so uncomfortable. This is really bad where I'm going to the grocery store.

And I didn't like go into the, I didn't, I didn't prep meals like for a week because you're not really not supposed to be doing it anyway. You don't think bacteria gets in your rice and all that by the third day. Yeah, that's interesting. You know what I mean? And I liked food fresh because it was hard. Why would I want to? I was always bad at like packaging and like eating it later.

The only time I did that is when I had to travel. You know, if I could have it my way, I mean, that's why when Trina got together, I mean, she would cook everything fresh. She spoiled the f***ed out of me. Damn. I was so spoiled, dude. I owe my life to that woman. I mean, like, she's every meal, dude. It's a blessing.

Blessing. Congrats, dude. Yeah, man. You made it. I did. That's it. For real. Like, I went through shit when I was married.

I mean, that wasn't the case. you know I was making everything on my own I was um I went through like a foreman grill every prep like went through it like it won't work no more it's pretty funny it's pretty f***ed up man like it's gone

like it won't turn on because you can't because if you do it the other way like you're going outside all the time to go turn on your grill your gas growth dude you know how many of those containers I have to go through during prep it just takes forever it's like nah I'm good

his picture you just big as big as he's the little for me girl. Bro, the little, yeah man, I was doing it. I bring the thing with me everywhere, man. Body wheels are crazy, man. Yeah, they are. We'll bring form and grills, hot plate. We'll sneak freaking

microwaves into hotels. Yeah, I'm there to turn off the whole freaking circuitry of the building. Yeah. Just just for a show, bro. Like, it's, it's we, we the craziest was when I was

starting to become a like in the sport of bodybuilding household name I think it was like 2008 and I remember going to a Denver Nuggets game on prep and I had made

so this was so stupid but I was hardcore man like I brought my protein with me I had a zip block of rice and a zip lock of fish but I like wrapped it like

double triple wrapped it and I put it in my freaking sweats and walked into the Nuggets game with it because you're taking it out and I'm taking it out during halftime and just eating and shit with Flex Magazine it was Alan Donnelly he was interviewing me and he's just like doing his day in a life shit and then of course one of my former teammates from college sees me yo feel drunk as shit don't you want some pizza bro like what's going on who are these I'm like these are the guys for Flex Magazine leave me alone and

they're like this isn't and they're like this isn't bother you I was like they're my friends they don't know no better I'm eating fish and they're eating pizza but I look better so it is what it is he's a picture you taking it was fish out of your pockets it's hilarious oh yeah you knew I wasn't talking to no females then

no nasty hands like just stupid stupid but it wasn't stupid though it was like Like, but no one would go to those depths today. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I shouldn't say no one, but very few people would do that. Yeah. You know, because you had to eat on the schedule.

If you said two and a half hours, you ate two and a half hours. Yeah. Otherwise, you're going to get the calories in. No, because you're not going to stay, and you still got to sleep. So you want to get six hours? You got to, you know, you want to get seven possible. You can get nothing about it. You get possibly eight meals in a day if you follow it.

If you, if you're following on the schedule. Straight on it, yeah. Straight on. Yeah, if you say, you know, I was always so bad at eating, bro. Really? It's the hardest thing for me. Is that why you didn't want to keep competing? A large part of it, I just, like, literally never had a fucking app.

Yeah, I never had an appetite, dude. I could just not eat all day. Same. Still train and. But I knew, like, to get bigger, I knew that I'd have to. And I just, like, like you said, I would just start to feel sick and be like, I don't even want. Like, you know, when you start eating something, you're like, oh, I feel like I want to throw up. I just don't want to eat it.

Oh, yeah. What do you think about these guys, do you blend in their meals? don't you feel like at some point like that's like a indicator of saying I probably shouldn't be doing this if I have to blend this yeah yeah this is because there's no enjoyment of doing that no no I mean I feel like I've done like that to gain weight that's how that's how hard it was for me to eat why would you not blend a whole meal but like yeah I wouldn't chicken and rice I wouldn't do that but I would like I would make like a you know like a shake that would have extra calories it was like completely disgusting just because I needed the calories Like, what does that mean? Like, protein? Yeah, like olive oil in the thing just to get the fat content up. Yeah, like I eat a whole meal. And then I would like, I would like have like a shake with like like a good amount of olive oil with like some like other.

So no, instead of MCT oil, you're at no macadamia nut oil. You're going with straight olive. Bro, I was eating olive oil. And I've, yeah, it was disgusting. But I have it with a meal. So I wasn't having it by itself. It was just like finish it off. And I'd be like, okay, I just get these.

calories in you you're i was a psychopath too though i did weird like that i would have been the guy with the fish in my pocket yeah but i feel like you you kind of yeah yeah dieting will make you do crazy bodybuilding will make you crazy bodybuilding diets yeah bodybuilding diets will have you like that i don't think there's any other no because all for the gains dude bro i ate freaking cream of rice no cream of wheat cream of rice cream of wheat with tilapia and red hot i'll never eat tilapia again dude i've decided oh i told honey that last week i was like um that's that's that happening because i i relate that so much to that diet i'm like like a tooth of two two two foods that are

ruined for me are almonds and tilapia so i can have almonds but tilapia i'm not volunteering that I would have to be competing I guess I would do it if I was competing I would because I do what I you know did when I was competing but no no because even Jay

we were having dinner he was like that fish bro and I'm like nope because everybody was like oh because Arnold had increased the prize money from $300,000 to $500,000 and everybody looked at me like backstage

I was like, so I walked out, I walked out on the, on the floor during the show and I was like, and people were like, yeah, I'm like, you guys are stupid. First of all, that, I mean, that's a lot of money, but no. Second of all, the fish, man. Yeah, that part, do you, you ever, what are your thoughts about like when people say you can't? Because I literally read it on the way over here, this guy was like, oh yeah, you know, it's a pure it's pure that you can't that you you have to get shredded only by eating fish and i was like so i don't know if you ever do this but like when i read comments like that

i always click on their profile i'm like i got to see what this person looks like yeah i can't there's too many comments and i see it i'm like this guy doesn't even train he's over here saying this it's the internet no i know i just get fascinated by like someone will write this and i'm like do they realize and then I'm like oh he's on private you know you're stupid of course it's on private he's hiding it's not like I would write him I just like I just want to see what he looks like you know it's always funny to me because I'm like well how would you how do you know and all it is is just people will take what someone else said yeah from someone else said someone else said and say oh yeah you you don't need to eat fish to get lean I'm like but they're

talking about the third place dude i'm like maybe he should have did that maybe he would have yeah fish is you do get lean on it i don't care what people say and it's because of the fact that you can have more of it you know imagine chewing fish than as opposed to chewing red meat it takes you a little longer to eat a steak yeah fish goes through you faster for sure absolutely so there's that part but they're just thinking well they're not thinking whatever just here with they hear dude speaking of food i'm so goddamn hungry i'm starving yeah yeah i'm not eating fish I'll tell you that That's not happening

Yo but when are we We got to train We got to set up a training session We got to set up Guns We got to set up some video games We got to set up A lot of stuff man

Yeah A lot of stuff Spend more time together dude Essentially that's what it is I think we'd be bros man But like really bros Like it's the first time We had a really good conversation

I think so I think you First of all I'm gonna teach you got to get your triceps bigger i got you yeah that can work 100% i got some tips for you i know what you need for the nest mr olympia see here we go again like people want me to do this comeback shit i don't know um that'd be so cool man obviously i get it i get it you know it'd be cool yeah because i mean my opinion of the sport right now is like it's kind of like

slowing down. I don't know, man. Body building, open. No. You don't think so? No, no. I was at that, I was, objectively,

I was at that show thinking, just be open-minded, Phil, just be open-minded. Like when people say this stuff, just be open-minded. I think the open division is extremely competitive. There was new names

that came up in that top five at the Arnold Classic that I did not expect. And even, so I was... I shouldn't say mildly, but I was still entertained by the people who showed up in the top five with people that normally would have done it like an Andrew Jack, a Nick Walker, you know, those guys not being in it. That's a big deal.

Yeah. But they still had great showings by other guys. So it's showing that like it don't matter who shows up, there's always a new person that is going to emerge. But yeah, there was like three or four guys that could have easily, you know, been in that top five that weren't competing. but that'll just make it for a greater bodybuilding season and Arnold put up $200 extra grand for Open

so it ain't dying. Did they increase money for a classic? Yeah, but it's not going to, you know, and that's where, you know, I know a lot of people are like, well, classic is, you know, classic is classic. Open is 12, 212, 12, Manzazizik is Manz physique. But let's not get it fucked up. Open is still the king.

It will be. And case and point, if you took C-Bomb out of it, would you still have the excitement? I see what you're saying. I mean, Dino's great, though. But you don't talk about them. Like, take them out of it. This is what I'm getting at.

Dino's great, but Dino lost last week. There's new people. Yeah. So this is what I'm getting at. Like, when you talk about a division such as classic, which I do think is a great division. you can't have it on one person's shoulders and make it seem like it's going to live on just because of that one person

one person ain't going to compete forever yeah so the minute he leaves I'm asking will it still be as popular or even more I don't know it's interesting it's so new that we don't know yet yeah when you have different iterations of like new eras of like open you yeah you don't think that I'm sure like how people may feel about like the current state of open body building they probably felt the same way when Arnold left and it was numerous Olympians Franco yeah you know there was Frank Zane like all these other people like they weren't when you think of Michigan but you're not thinking about those people you're not thinking of Zane

one three you're not thinking of Zane though right yeah those could have been down years you know you don't think of a Chris Dickerson you don't think of Samir Banu like you don't think of the right away you know you think of the people that won like five six seven times you know eight times you think of those people so you know sports does that yeah yeah you know so yeah i think that's where we're probably at but howdy chupin look sick yeah it was i think him and derrick are gonna i'm very excited for the 60th but like that like what was it on derrick's last what was that oh it on both sides oh it's probably like lymph nose or something oh probably had swelling you know just i mean part of the game i guess yeah you know i was so curious i was like

Like, what the fuck is this oil? I know it could look, but you almost have to ask yourself, like, because I did. I'm like, there's no way you can like, like, like. And also, why would you put oil here? Right. When you don't have to, you already has great development. So I think it's just lymph node, you know, like. Well, even if you didn't, like putting oil in the front, would it make sense versus like putting it in the side so it would pop out?

But I just saw it was like, that was interesting. I think that's the craziest part about. professional body railing right now is that you are on display in 4k yeah yeah and people will slow it down freeze it circle your yeah and those cameras are good nowadays they're really good so yeah man they're um they're out there that makes the competitors better who knows if it makes them more depressed or not or more you know narcissistic you know because you got to be a little bit crazy to just accept that reality of people always freeze framing your yeah because they don't freeze frame you know you in the gym doing your thing they're

gonna freeze frame and say oh this is where his forearm doesn't look as same as the other one and so yeah maybe they didn't fap that day i don't know like you know i stopped faping completely so good for you but yeah good for you're right it's it's it's there's less scrutiny for sure yeah it's just but there's probably more scrutiny in other way it's based on just because what i say or something to me like what the fuck well because you you know you've built a name it's still different i think then this guy this girl just trying to i don't know get noticed yeah yeah the uh to be continued man i think yeah it's gonna be blessing dope bro thank you yeah i appreciate you coming man for real absolutely man i gotta get some

steak dude because fish is not on my diet no i'm like looking at the time right now it's fucking late dude this guy kept me here very long dude you're you could talk bro you're good it's uh i'm sorry it's all good appreciate you coming though he owes me you owe me a steak no no no i need time i'll take you out it's all good i'm the j color type i'll take i'll take i'll buy you for oh no i we end up fighting for it but yeah it's great man i'm i was gonna say this earlier like um i'm really happy for you man thank you know it's um it's never easy to put yourself out there the way that you have but to also um continue to elevate yourself and be more of sound mind and you know like you say you're 34 man like you have so much going on and

it's uh it's commendable to see how you've responded to even the hate even the yeah scrutiny but being misunderstood just take it from me man being misunderstood is a good thing means you're not doing some average yeah i appreciate you got to be misunderstood man because eventually those same people they'll still be down there but you'll meet other people like myself and other folks that we get it yeah you know we all can buy and we got to create our village yeah you know i appreciate you man for yeah absolutely man yeah always welcome yes sir thank you brother yeah yeah yeah