RAWTALK - Aljamain Questions Suga Sean’s Win, Fighting Volkanovski & What It Takes To Be A UFC Champion

Episode Date: August 29, 2023

Aljamain Questions Suga Sean’s Win, Fighting Volkanawski & What It Takes To Be A UFC ChampionJoin us on another episode of RawTalk with our special Guest Aljamain Sterling. In this episode we discuss his loss against Suga Sean O’malley, Going up a weight class to fight Volkanovski and what it truly takes to be a UFC champion. Sponsors: https://www.trifectanutrition.com/athlete-bradley-martyn?irgwc=1&utm_campaign=Bradley%20Martyn&utm_medium=athlete&utm_source=influencers&irclickid=VgTX2zwwrxyPTrV3Ca2xv1chUkF3IA12PSvAxQ0&mpid=1239000&ir_campaignid=4609&ir_adid=293336&ir_partnerid=1239000&utm_content=SUBSCRIBE HERE: https://www.youtube.com/c/REALRAWTALK...LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...FOLLOW RAWTALK PODCAST: INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/getrawtalkTIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@askrawtalkFOLLOW BRADLEY: INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/bradleymartynSUBSCRIBE TO RAWTALK PODCAST CLIPS: / @rawtalkclip SUBSCRIBE TO LIFE OF BRADLEY MARTYN: / @bradleymartyn SUBSCRIBE TO FITNESS CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/bradleymartyn...RAWGEAR: https://www.rawgear.com (CODE:RAW)

How good was that press conference? Oh, man. The whole thing. I loved it all. I know it was the sugar show, but I feel like I carry that thing. I'm just saying, I feel like I'm trying it. You're entertaining, that's for sure. But before we get into this, like, subscribe, do all the good shit.

Find the Spotify, the iTunes, everything. But Al Jermaine Sterling, bro, I got to say, you're a fucking class act, like 100%, you know. Humble and defeat. Obviously, a fucking, a great fighter. I'm curious though You talk about the presser and everything You and Sean like I saw a clip On Aiden stream

You did a stream with Sean and Aiden Yeah And yeah yep You guys went shopping like the day before Like a couple days before Like how does that work Me and who Me and who?

You and Sean Was he joking about? No, no No You guys weren't shopping No He said you guys were going shopping Was that a troll

I actually didn't catch that part Are you serious? I'm serious I went shopping okay but it wasn't even really shopping I just went and bought like I fixed my red bottom shoes because they're red I didn't go with Sean no I feel like you guys would be good friends maybe in a different lifetime in a different lifetime so it's like because that's what I'm saying like when you in the in the fight game is like how

because you guys are both you know fighters right but you guys are friends yeah so but is it is it hard to create friendships in the fight game I think it is it's a little difficult because you just never know like the personalities of other individuals and everyone's personality is so different like I think Marab and I we both come from humble beginnings he comes from Georgia my parents come from Jamaica but I grew up with that Jamaican mentality in my household I didn't come from much I lived with my mom pretty much all my life until what was it seventh grade I moved in with my parents my parents my dad and it was like a completely different

lifestyle and world based on how they were raised and everything I'm gonna take some of this funk harbor I'm just saying when it hits that market baby oh you got a you got a solo cup for me or oh you need a chaser for your own drink I mean I can drink it straight here here yeah that'd be cool I'm saying I didn't need the chaser just you know it's a toughness thing is that smooth though it's a tough need a chaser it's a toughness thing right on the chase but yeah I think it's a It's not the easiest to make friendships in this sport. J.P. is a really good friend of mine.

Marab's a really good friend of mine. And we've trained together for a very long time back in Long Island, New York. Oh, wow. He doesn't even drink. He definitely does not need a chaser. He's actually doing this. This is actually amazing to see. I can tell by his voice he don't need a chaser.

Yeah, yeah. You could just tell. Everybody knows. I never drink. I never drink. Everybody knows. Why today? A special occasion?

Of course, special. Funk Masters. drinking, of course, man. Oh, I appreciate it. It's good to have you guys. So how did this, how did, actually I want to get it more about like your childhood, really. Like your life growing up.

So you said you grew up mostly with your mother, but then you moved in with your father at what age? I don't know what age was seventh grade. We moved in. Why was there the separation prior? Jamaican household, man, Caribbean parents. There was like three or four baby mothers in the picture at the time. A little crazy.

So I got 20 plus siblings. Whoa. 20 plus siblings. It's hard for me to count how much exactly because there's so much. Wait, wait, wait. Your father, and I'm not, your guy's laughing. You're fucking me up right now. I don't fuck me out.

I have too much of traits. Hold on. Your father has, obviously not with all the same woman, right? Because you have other baby mamas, has 20 plus children. There's 20 of us. 20 plus. So on my side, my mom alone has 10 kids. Two of them are not from my dad, but she has eight from my dad,

including myself and then the other rest of them are just spread out throughout the universe holy fuck bro yeah it's a lot crazy so are any of the other ones like is everyone just astounded with what you're doing are they like you know we never really had that conversation of like what everyone thinks about what i'm doing like i've never really heard my brothers come up to me and be like yo i'm really proud of what you're doing i do have one my brother kelvin who was actually said like if it wasn't for you you know you changed my life but he's never like told me like y'all i'm super proud of you or anything like that that i can remember but it's always been like you help me give me guidance and show me

that there's a better way to do things so other than that that's that's as far as it goes in terms of like siblings showing like telling me or expressing how they feel about what i'm actually doing yeah what about your father i don't talk to him at all I mean, at this point, no. So him and my mom went through a pretty bad divorce, and, yeah, he pretty much just tried to leave her with absolutely nothing. And it just got pretty ugly, and I just couldn't side with that. I would have liked to have more of a relationship with my dad, but we just never did. Like, would you ever see yourself trying to create that relationship?

I felt like I've tried multiple times. Even now at this point? Even now, I feel like I've tried so much that I'm kind of all out of like, I don't say handouts, but all out of myself going out of my way to try to amend things. I've tried to have them save the house.

I've tried to offer him ways to make money together with my mom on the house that they were fighting over. Multiple different things and it was just one of those situations where he just didn't really, it's just like his way or nothing else. Even though he knew he was on a loose,

end of it he always felt like because he's so used to always getting his way at the end because he would just pay for it street pharmacist you know you make your money the way you make your money you always have a way to kind of pay for things and kind of get what you want at the end of the day and when it's on the legal end of things things kind of changed so he didn't he didn't see the winning end of that situation and at the end of day it was a lost cause for both of them because this was something that could have profited them both and set them up for the rest of their lives. But now, instead, it's just a house down the drain.

Yeah. Has that relationship with your father affected you, like, growing up? Have you had other father figures growing up? Yeah, I've had one father figure, Dave Matana. He's always been, like, as close to what dad as it possibly gets. He took me to all my wrestling tournaments, my junior year going into my senior year. If it wasn't for him, I really don't think I would have grown as much as I did wrestling in my sport.

But when it comes to him, he was never really involved. He thought wrestling was gay. And that comes from a Caribbean culture in general, especially back then. We're talking like 2007, 2005. So to go out there and Russell, you're in these spandex, you're in these singlets. It just was kind of shunned upon in like the Jamaican, Caribbean community. And I had those same beliefs because obviously, you know, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. And it took me a little bit of time to kind of learn.

like what wrestling was and it helped make me who I am today so my childhood you know although there was a lot of dark times a lot of resentment I truly do think if it wasn't for that I wouldn't have excelled the way I excelled because I I almost feel like I was trying to prove something to someone that was never there to begin with and that was my dad even though he never really gave a fuck anyway so damn I relate to that one. Not in the same level, obviously not in the fight game, but I lost my father when I was when I was young, when I was six years old. He took his life and for a very long time, I was like the things that I started to do and like the trauma that I was dealing with was trying to prove

like I'm good enough for someone to like appreciate me or love me or to not lead me, right? And it's affected a lot of the rest of my life, relationships, friendships, but it's good to say that. It's good for you to say that, man, because like there's a lot of people who deal with loss in a way. And your loss is interesting because like he's still there. And like he's still even despite your popularity or like, you know, your successes, your accomplishments is still not willing to create that sort of relationship, which is interesting to me. I wonder if it's just a personal decision or like, do you know why he's not willing to move closer to you? I think he feels I'm a mama's boy. Yeah, I love my mom, even though we've never had like the best relationship growing up,

you know, but she was always there. So regardless, I have that love and foundation for my mom because Like I said, like when I grew up, it was predominantly us. It was almost like us against the world kind of thing. So the fact that he couldn't appreciate that, and he was a mama's boy, you could never even talk about my dad's mom. You could not. He would just see red, you know? So for him to kind of be like that, knowing how he was with his mom, kind of struck a nerve a little bit because it's just like, yo, dude, you never, you would never allow anybody to do such a thing. and hey, you are doing that right now.

Yeah. So, yeah, it is what it is. I think things worked out the way that they should. It could have been a lot worse. I mean, I could have found my brothers joining gangs, and thankfully I found wrestling. So it was like, did you just, like, raise yourself in a sense, is what it sounds like?

I don't, because you see your mom, like, she wasn't really there. She was always there, but, like, not have a great relationship. It was just non-inclusive. It was like weird. It was like you go to school, you go to elementary school, parents come to parent-teacher conference, you go to middle school, you go to high school, parents never show up. And that's kind of how it was. Like, they show interest in the very early beginnings.

And I don't even really remember my mom coming to a parent-teacher conference when I was young anyway. But as I got older, kind of just started figuring things. Like I had a very low self-esteem, not much confidence in myself growing up because I was small kid a lot of my household my parents will call us like stupid or dumb or dunce cap just a lot of like degrading things that to them it was kind of like a way to say like toughen up kind of thing but for us as a kid at least for me they ain't do nothing but break you down you know so yeah yeah i kind of learned on my own and i do think wrestling is what helped me get to where I'm out. Yeah. I mean, obviously in fighting, but I'm curious, like the, was it because

you were searching validation? Like, as you, to go to how far as you've gone in the fighting is, like, trying to prove, like, we were talking earlier, you're trying to prove yourself to who? Yeah, I guess validation. I guess validation to prove that I'm good enough. I'm capable. I'm more than enough for, I don't even know to who. It wasn't even like to my dad it was just I want to feel like I did something it's such a weird thing like this is how low my confidence was back then in like middle school high school even elementary school was like yeah you could know two plus two equals four and you're like dead confident like this is the answer but when I got to those ages and even though I knew something was the answer it was just such a thing

where I was just so unsure of myself that I would second guess everything because I just that the way they would teach us and do things were just such a like what would be the proper word to describe it it would just break you down man

it was just more so that than anything just like really breaking you down not really so even if you knew something was the right answer you like sure like I think this is it but even though I know this is it because I studied all of this it was just like

you didn't feel it was adequate enough and even sometimes I still find myself dealing with that because of past things that I grew up with like I'll do something I'm just like I know this is correct

but at the same time I'm just not really sure what started to change that for you oh it's a good commercial what I said just popped off what started to change that for you like at what age did that

start to change for you. I think wrestling when I my junior year I started wrestling in time grade so I started really late people think I've been wrestling like my whole childhood I really haven't started wrestling in 10th grade it's just I had nothing else better to do and that's all I wanted to do because it was a one-on-one sport I knew even if I had no confidence I knew if I could beat this one person that at least gave me an answer that it was definitive like even if I won by time if I won by points or I pinned them. You won or you lost. Yeah. And I think that helped give me the confidence going forward in my life. And oh, should I say give me more confidence. So eventually I start to learn like, even though it might not be the best performance, at least I know what the

definitive outcome is based on the scoring criteria. And it was a one-on-one type of thing. So I feel like that helped me a lot. You like that word definitive, huh? Definitive. Definitive reminds me. at the post show, you're like, you're going to rematch, Sean. You want to rematch for Sean because you want a definitive answer. I want a definitive answer. Why did you think it wasn't a definitive answer? Because I'll tell you my perspective, real quick. Obviously, he hits you with the right, the step back.

You go down. He's hit you a few more times. As soon as you turned your head over towards the ground, I was like, oh, he's done. Because what, like, a ref, if a ref would see that, wouldn't he think, I mean, because you're not guarding, right? Correct me if I'm wrong here, right? You know more of the sport than I do. So you're guarding, right?

But as soon as you're, like, here, I mean, you're giving the person the back of your head. Yeah. That would, if I was a rep, I'm saying it's done. Okay. But why? Because you're not guarding yourself. But can you punch?

Maybe you slept. Maybe you're like, can you punch me in the back of the head? I guess, yeah. No? No. So if I can't punch you in the back of the head. The rule of state you can't punch in the back of the head in like this Mohawk area of the brain slash neck.

So in my thought process, what I'm doing, I've sparrow Marabas. Sparred JP, I sparrow O'Day. These guys take me down. If they take me down and I'm in a position like that, whether I'm getting rocked or if I just get taken down and it's going ground to pound. If I hit a backward roll, you would never turn into the opponent. Because if you turn into the opponent, you're turning into the strike.

I got dropped. 100%. So you're not going to just get up right away as this guy's raining down shots as you're trying to get your bearings back. You're trying to stay in defense mode. Yeah, I think I might have eaten. three shots. The rest of them were kind of like glancing as I'm moving on the ground, kicking my feet, blocking and trying to extend my hands and defend as best as I could while being

in that rock state. But I'm still with it. There's never a point where I got hit where I was unconscious. So then for me, as I hit the backward roll, I'm thinking I get at least four seconds minimum for him to have a circle behind me, pick his shots, and allows me for an opportunity need to get to my feet, cover up, and stand up. So when he stopped it at that point, I was kind of like, well, that's not correct. You just let this other girl, literally the fight before, not him, get murdered with unanswered shots. And they say, oh, you ate a bunch of unanswered shots.

I'm like, were they really unanswered? I'm like, if I'm defending, is it unanswered because I'm not throwing something back? I'm trying to stay in the fight. It's a fight. You got dropped. I can't go back in exchange with him. I'm on the ground. There's no exchanges when you're on the ground. He's standing above me raining down bombs with gravity, with force. I got to try to evade as best as I can to stay

in the fight. So I'm thinking I'm intelligently defending myself based on what I understand for the fight game. So now, if I hit the backward roll, what else was I supposed to do? Was I supposed to turn into the punches? If I turn into the punches, that's even worse. Now I'm potentially going to get my momentum going into the punch, and I could possibly just get laid out cold. So it was like, if I'm not laid out cold and I do a backward roll, why not wait for him to land a couple more shots to see what happens before jumping into the fight? Because when he came up and he looked at me in the eyes, he saw that all my bearings were there. So he's just kind of like, yo, bro, you kind of fucked up, but I get why you did it is because he doesn't know any better. But at the same time, it's like, this is what everyone sees, you hear the arena.

He didn't know any better about the decision? No, no, he didn't know any better about, I guess, what we were. the best way to say it so people understand is that exact situation how to approach it i don't want to say how to approach it um how would you say that like uh like he couldn't tell if i was like still with it or not but what i'm saying is if you if the other fight went that long and this girl took a lot of damage and she literally just lay there and just got hammered talking about the way leifite the wayley fight yeah yeah You see me in this fight and I'm kicking, I'm pushing, and I'm kicking my feet, and I'm bucking.

Why do you stop the fight in that position versus stopping it when he actually lands a shot and then be like, okay, you got crack? Maybe I should stop it here. Versus the kid did a backward roll for that you to jump in in a position where you can't even tell if I'm out or not. I did a roll. Why do you stop the fight right there when I do a roll? I see. You see what I'm saying? It's like, if I did a role when I shelled up,

I yeah that fights over the guy wants out like on the ground you were like that like you rolled and no no no what did you see bro what did you see watch it multiple times i'm a fighter too and like me we both actually always tell referee before the fight when they come and explain the rules because every state has different rules they you know and every referee has on like a own rules like when i tell you this move show me move or something like there. And I always tell them, please, don't stop me early. If I go out, they stop me, stop me there. You know, don't drop me, don't say me. I'm a fighter. I want to fight end off. So the same situation happened. Marlon Morales knocked me down, like he dropped me, and then it takes me

time to come back. But I came back, I beat him. So, but then, but, so actually, this fight, we was both there when he was explained but somehow we wasn't I don't know we wasn't think about to tell this Margada but Margada he does this when something happened he always panicked he always he's quick he's quick he's like he's always always touching guy to grab like this like push the guys like this he's like aggressive referee somehow I don't know so anyways so what I see is sometimes we game we may get punched but we if when we give back that's where we roll I want him touch me to me do something else because yeah i'll just right from here you you you eat punches

but when you roll you cannot punch me here but when you when you try wrestling or i grab you and i try a leg like you and grab you like take two with me like uh so were you were you completely like because you were explaining what you were doing now obviously looking back at it but when you were in the moment were you completely aware of what you were doing 100% i was like there was no point where I was like where am I what just happened like that you were going to roll that way it didn't instinctually happen or like well instinctually because this is what I do in training yeah so it's just like well this is a bad situation I need to get the fuck out of here and I can hear him talking to me like show me something I'm like all right so I'm thinking my role is me showing you that I'm still in the

fight and the ref's telling you this like oh you got yeah and I can hear everything so this is what I'm saying like I was still with the situation like yeah granted I got cracked I got rock. Like, that's no mistake about it. Marlon Marage dropped me, threw an uppercut, hit me with the overhand. That hit me behind my air, equilibrium dropped. But I was still in the fight. And then obviously, when I got up, he threw the kick and whatever.

I put me out. That was out cold. There's no need. Like, I can't defend myself. I'm out. This position. So now I'm going to compare this one to Sean O'Malley. O'Malley fights Cheeto Vera, the whole thing with his foot.

He's in his guard. Cheeto hits him with a hammer fist and an elbow. Right. Valley goes limp. Literally, like, he's floating in the river just trying to float and comes back, maybe twice. And then the last one, I think he's just like, he's out, but then he comes back again. That's completely different. That never once happened in this fight.

So when I see those two scenarios or other scenarios, I think there was another one that just happened this past weekend in Singapore. And I'm just like, why couldn't Mark just do that for me? you know what I mean and don't get me wrong I'm not trying to take away from Sean's win but we don't know what would have happened after that he could have hit me with three more shots

could have had me in Turtle could have punched me under my arm while I'm on Turtle even if I'm covered could have came under my armpit punched me a couple of times put me out or yeah

or I could have gotten to a single leg and then that fight is completely different it's completely different So it's just like, it's just one of those things. So if there's anything that I was annoyed about with that fight was that, and of course, annoyed with myself that I even put myself in that situation. Yeah. Because the one thing I knew he was good at was that.

I was like, is the counter, is the counter right hand or countercross with the left? And it was just one of those things I saw something, I miscalculated and it is what it is, man. Like he landed the money shot. And if he, if I had stayed patient like I did in the first round, I won the first round. If I stay patient like that, the five rounds, it would have been a boring-ass fight. Yeah, I saw you talking about this. Unless he came forward. And if he came forward, maybe he's the one that gets taken down because he gets over-aggressive.

I lock his skinny ass up, take him down, and then the fights the fight. You know what I mean? So it's just one of those things, is yin-yang. He's so good at what he does. I'm so good at what I do. And that's what happens when you get to the top of your game. It's a game of inches. And I said it, like, we fought nine out of ten times.

He probably beats me one or two out of ten. And it just so happens August 19 You're saying he beats you one or two out of ten Yeah I give him that Because I acknowledge that In fighting Sometimes you do something

That you might think is there That's not there And the other guy just capitalizes And of course when you're talking about a guy Who can snipe the way he snipes It's a game-changing shot Where for me grappling is more of a grind It's more of I take you down

I get to a position of Can I ground a pound, beat you up or submit you? That's more of a grind That's a long game for this, it's like a Connor, it's like Francis Ingano, they can land a shot that could change the whole trajectory of the fight. Justin Gaichy, Dustin Porre, land a great shot that changes the fight. Like, I study this, man. Like, this is, like, I understand everything to the smallest detail. And I don't know what happened, but I fucked up. How does it go different next time?

What are you going to, like, what are you going to do differently? Just keep kicking them. make the counterstriker have to come to me he's a counterstriker if you don't give him an opportunity to counterstrike look at the Pedro Munias fight look at the Peoria Yon fight the best strikes he landed was when Jan was over-aggressive

or when his other opponents were over-aggressive when anybody stood front of him myself Cheeto they don't chase him now he has to open up and start the offense first and when he starts the offense first it gives you an opportunity to either exploit that as a grappler I get more opportunities to

kind of slip, weave, tie him up, and that changes the fight. It's just stylistic matchups. It's just the small nuances, man. If I give him what he wants, he looks like a superstar. If he gives me what I want, I look like the rock star, you know? So it's just one of those things where I don't want to say it's a coin flip. He knew if I take him down, that fight's as good as over. Yeah, well, listen, on that note, I went to interview him like a week prior, maybe a week,

a week and a half, maybe prior. and he was talking about how he was dealing with an injury at the time and we were we were known about it tj do show i i don't know what it was all no no straight up he was no but this bro he said this off camera straight up no i know but i'm just saying he sounds like t j dillow i'm just saying it was off camera though they were like we cut it and everything no but he he said it at the press conference bro but he said it to me a week prior no i i know i'm i agree i'm not saying anything about that i'm just saying he still brought it up and said it on camera bro i was just like what's the point of even doing that i get it so so so

I was I was like yo I hope this motherfucker can't get his hands on you essentially yeah um and I just I like we were even talking about like we were even joking about all he needed was that one hit like literally what he did he talked about that's what I need and that's exactly what you gave him yeah because you did that overextension shit like and it was so like you can see your face you know what's coming you're like you you see me as I step and I close my eyes I go you fucked up you Idiot! Ah! Isn't it, because I, like, obviously you're a professional, man, but like, in that moment

and you're like this and you're fit, and you, it's like, you can't move fast enough. Like, are you just thinking like, I'm fucked? I, so literally in that moment, I just go brace for impact. And that's why I said, like, I was still with it because I knew the shot was coming. The Marley-O-Mor-Rice fight, I shot right into it, and I knew it was coming, but I shot so fast and so hard. I was like, dude, the opportunity or the chances of me surviving. in this car crash collision is so slim to none.

Is it true that they say the shots that they hurt you the most are like knock you out clean are the ones that you don't see coming? Yes. Okay. Why is that a thing? Just because you're able to brace for it? Yeah. Because then there's a thing with the jawline where there's a nerve that actually shuts

the lights off in your brain. So when you get hit like squirre on the button, it pushes back on a nerve and it clips it and it'll put you out. So you think because you're able to, you're like ready, you're like. So when he hit me, It was more so like, I think that was the one that actually cut me, or it was the hammerfish on the ground that cut me, whichever one. But either way, it hit me in a great spot where it was just clean as I'm coming in.

It almost doubles the impact. Oh, I see. Yeah, see what I'm saying? So I'm coming forward. And as I come forward, I'm square. He's stepping back. And as he steps back, I'm like, I see it in real time. And I go, I can't believe you just gave this motherfucker the one thing that he, and I was hoping

he missed, because I was like, if he missed, he's not missing. And I was just like, I was just like, please. All I said in my head was this. If he misses, thank the heavens, I get an opportunity to stay in the fight. Why didn't you take him down the first two times? Why was he so hard to take down? Because that's your thing.

His footwork. Yeah. And that's the one thing. There's so many guys out there, a lot of like, I want to be as political. No, no, fuck it. Dude, don't do that. The Russian fan base that go, like, why didn't he just take him down right away? And I'm just like, you guys never fought before.

You guys never fought before. If you think you could just walk forward and just take someone down, it don't work like that. Unless you're 260 and the guy weighs $130. I mean, that's right? I mean, that has to be real. I don't know if that's a real thing. I'll just say it. But I got to ask you the question now because we're going into it.

Oh, my God. But also, I want to talk, I want to, before I ask the question, here you go. Hold on before I ask the question. He isn't even shaking his head. Before I ask the question, though, really important. I saw you weigh in. you were peeled Like you look

Do you have to be 15, 20 pounds later I'm really curious Try like 35 Yeah okay So what do you actually fight that Because when I see you weigh in I'm like this dude looks like Competition ready

Lean as fuck And then I see you fight You look fuller Way forward obviously Because you know how it works But how much do you actually fluctuate I probably stepped in the cage About 156

Oh shit That's fuck I could have been heavier But I was heavier but I stopped eating because you don't want to be too bloated and you go to the bathroom a couple of times Pizz, you know, number two, whatever, whatever.

So you just try to stay hydrated, try not to be as dry because this way you get caught in mouth when you're in there because you did the water load so your kidneys are still excreating. Excreating and then you feel dry

even though you're hydrated. It's the weirdest thing. No, I know. The body building should have done it. Okay, so yeah, so you're familiar. It's a very interesting feeling the whole thing, but But that's pretty much about how much I weigh.

So fighting your 155? About 55, yeah. Now, I was like 170 yesterday morning. Oh, now you're heavier. 175. Today I was 170. Yeah. So I'm trying to slim back down.

I'm trying to get to like a comfortable with 65 because I'm on vacation. I want to show my abs on the beach. Okay. You know, I don't want to be like too pudgy. All right. So at 155, your fight weight. We run into each other in the street. Okay?

You got your hair. your hair your braids aren't in they're not green is what I would say is my head crazy is my head green or black because this is a difference it's black it's crazy oh damn I'm charged up you're charged up he's gonna fuck it who wins man who wins what are we are we boxing no we're just fucking fighting in the street damn I got a couple of tactics bro yeah I got a couple of strategical tactics what's what would be your move to beat me in a street fight besides try to knock me out obviously no I would even try to knock you out because that's not my thing my thing would probably be

let you swing let you miss especially a guy your size I would think that I would be a little bit more agile yeah let you swing because more than likely you're probably thinking this little motherfucker you'll probably swing something you're like I'm not to clean his clock

I'd be on your back like this I would kick you you ever watch X-Men you know Nightcrawler you ever see him Bamp that's how you think he's going to be just right on your back right on you die strangling while you're just like

how did he get here and then as you're waking out you're like sleeping no bro I kick you I wouldn't even try to punch you yeah you see Sean you seen I kicked him shin to shin I ain't give a fuck I was like one of us is gonna quit

one of us is gonna quit wait I love this guy do you kick on a regular I kick I'll be kicked the shit out of your leg but do you kick on a regular you think I'm gonna snap my shin in half No, no, but do you kick on a regular? I kick regular enough, yeah.

Like, like, do you kick the pads, you kick the bag? Like, what are we talking about? It's a hard-ass bag on the bottom. And you kick it regular. I kick it. Like, regularly to the point where, like, you could sit up. Three times a week. Three times a week, I think I destroy your legs.

You think it's going to just shatter? No, I don't think your legs are shattered. What I'm saying is we can go shin to shin, and I think my conditioning of my legs would probably hold up compared to yours. I'm just saying, because of time. Because I've just done this, I think these are a little bit more hardened. And that's what I'm saying, even with Sean, the reason why I chose the tactical approach of just chopping down his legs

is because I know he's more of a puncher. So I'm thinking in my head, let me kick the fuck out of his little-ass legs, even though my legs are little too. But I know these things are dense. So I know I could do more damage where one of us is going to be like, all right, I don't want to play this game anymore. And one of us is going to have to make a decision. And I think he was going to make that decision first to come forward.

And that's what is going to open up him for, to get my takedown and do what I want to extend man you were so excited you want to put on a show I did yeah and I think that's where I got outside of myself which I never do I haven't done that since the Marlon Marize fight and I did it again and I'm not even mad that I'm mad that I lost to Sean kind of because it's just like this is the new champion of 135 are you kidding me are you kidding me he's so dope dope though bro no he's cool but it's just like when I think champion I think like Khabib I think Usman I think DC I think like role models for like kids and

stuff I'm seeing this guy he's got tattoos on his face I'm like he's smoking weed all the time like even though it's cool to smoke weed like it's good I don't have anything against it I smoke weed but I just think in terms of like the image of what it represents for as a parent I'm not a parent now but when I have kids like someone I would want my kid to look up to I'm like do I want my kid thinking like yo just go fucking get sugar tattooed on your eyebrow and and smoke weed and just kind of just like you're good bro you're good for life he's so funny though man he's a good guy he's also a good dude no he that's what I'm saying it's nothing about that I think he's a good dude

you just mean the tattoos I just I just think his image of what he sells so you'd rather him have green hair not pink hair no no I did this for the fight I dyed my hair blonde in high school for the national, um, the, uh, the state qualifier. I dyed my hair red for the national tournament in D3. Yeah. Because there's big moments in my life. So for this one, this was the biggest moment of my career in the sense of an opportunity to introduce myself to the world on someone else's platform because they're all coming in to watch him. Yeah. So I was like, oh, this is cool. This would be like me doing this for wrestling back in the day. So I didn't dye my hair. I'd put green hair in my hair. So that's what I'm, that's what I'm saying. So, for, for,

For someone like him who's got tattoos on his face, you're telling me you're going to want to have kids that are going to want to look up to Sean that's going to want to have tattoos on the face and you're going to be cool with that and saying, you're like, hey, son, hey, daughter, you think it's cool to have tattoos on your face to get like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, on average, what are the odds of that person becoming a success story? Unless it's daddy's money and the trust fund. I see what you're saying. You know what I mean? So it's like that's what it is. Other than that, I've talked to Sean. We've talked to him at the PI.

I mean, he's a cool dude. He's level-headed. He's smart. He buys real estate the same way I do. Very smart, yeah. But I just think, like, the image he sells. And when we did the Aiden Ross interview, he goes, why are you fighting me? I said that to him, like, why you want to take the easy fights?

Marab is the next guy you're going to need to fight. He wanted Cheeto. I say, bro, the next guy you're fighting, if you were to win, is Maraub. He goes, no, I'm fighting Cheeto. I go, this is my problem with you. You want the easiest layups. You don't want to challenge yourself, and that's not what life's all about. like you have no desire to challenge yourself

to push yourself to go. It's like, yeah, you're winning, but you're taking the easiest path possible. Don't get me wrong. It makes money. Yeah. But I think in terms of like teaching kids about what the real, the reality of life is, I don't think he stands for any of that

at all. He's good. He's talented. He works hard. But I don't think that gets sold as much it is the other stuff that shows like his path and how I don't say easy, but the easier road to get to where he's been it's almost like taking shortcuts in life

and I don't like that that's the only sentiment I don't agree with everything else is cool like he's a smart kid he's educated and when he said to me he goes he was like well why are you taking a fight with me and it's like I know why because it's the biggest payday you're going to get I was like you're right motherfucker you're right it is

it's a business decision I could have said no one I could have just sat out to next year which I'm going to do now but I was like you know what let me just fight get it over with hopefully I win I can piss in the UFC these Cheerios, if not, here I am. Either way, I'm happy as long as I get a break from fighting because I haven't had a break since 2019.

So now I'm on vacation, get to chill, and I get to enjoy the fruits of my labor since God knows how long of how many guys I've been fighting in the top five, former champions. Yeah, I was looking at your fucking record. Look at insane. Sean, good luck, and let's see how long you can stay on the top of that hill. That's all I'm going to say. And it's not like saying I'm rooting against him,

but if he's going against my guy I'm rooting against him but good luck in the sense of like yo I know what I did is not easy let's see if he could do the same thing or better I'm excited to see it man I think he could do it I think he can do it man

you think so yeah I think I think he's just like I mean if he's gonna say I want to fight Cheeto and then I want to fight Pedro and then I want to fight the guy who's ranked 12 yeah but like it's easier said than done you know what I mean yeah so you think that's the guy for him to fight next 100%

If I'm not getting a rematch Moab's got to be the guy Easily, easily. If we're going by merit the way that it should be, why would he not be the guy? I understand. You know what I mean? Yeah. But if you're going to cherry pick, the UFC gave me opponents, I never once to know. I never once turned

down and said, I want to fight this guy instead. I never wants to... But here's where... So I got to ask you this though. Here's where the little... I guess it's not really hypocritical because I see what you're saying, but you also of course want to take the fight because it's your biggest payday. He's also playing the game for the pay days as well

like everyone is in the game everyone's trying to make money now because you you even said it and it's your biggest money fight I'm assuming you probably got the biggest payday which is sick congrats by the way that's fucking dope but it's like he's doing the same thing right it's like he's got

the belt why not make the most bags with the belt it's not like he's never going to fight that guy I'm assuming he's going to fight him go ahead what are you got to say put the mic close it's not about my money it's about competition but he just did a fight for money he just said it yeah but no it was so But they told him he was the number one contender.

Yeah. He was supposed to fight me before Henry. Okay. And he said no, because he thought Henry was going to beat me because stylistically, I was a tougher matchup than Henry because of frame, height and everything. Yeah. But Henry, obviously, 5, 3, say, 5, 4, whatever,

if Henry wants to say he's 5, 5, 5, one platform, stilettos. You're fucking stupid. That was what he was hoping for. You know, but, yeah, go ahead. Yeah, tell us. So, like Aljo said before, so when you say UFC champion, you need to respect. You know, UFC champion, everybody deserved to be champion, you know.

And then, like, Sean, I'm just right. He got a short way to come to UFC champion, but he only beat top five guy, Peter Ianda. It was close decision. He never fought somebody top 15. I'll just being top, top 15, tough 10, tough. Jimmy Rivera. Yes, then he fought him. But then he fought him.

Yes. Yes, but listen. What he's saying, if you roll the dice, how many times, how many times can you get lucky versus if you only have to roll it once? You see the difference? You're talking about against a contender like you. Against a contender. I fought Jimmy Rivera.

I fought Pedro Munoz. I fought Corey Sanhagen. Then I fought Piotto Yon for the belt. Yeah, I see. He went from Pedro Munoz, poked his eyes out, Edward Cizzerhands. And then he went from that, and he went to Piotrion. He won by split. Very close.

fight. That was a lot closer than the fight with myself and Peoria in the sense of I think how you could kind of decide that fight. And then he fought for a fucking world title after that. After 11 months off, you're telling me that's easier or hard, I should say harder than me going through a killer's role of top five contenders? I'm just asking it. No, no, I'm not, but he also beat you. No, I know that. That's like Islam Makachev skipping the line and then fighting Charles Olivera. Yeah, he's good. Not saying he's not good. But if you don't have to go through the contenders row and you could go just based on oh he's good we're just going to give him this opportunity you just need to be good and perfect on one night

i had to be good and perfect on multiple nights just to get an opportunity to fight for the belt and that's the difference okay for example like right now umarumagamedo he's a good fighter he's number 11 and he only has a four fight in ufc so i have 11 fights so first to fight i got robbed judges I lost first to fight. But since that, I win nine-fights straight. Now I'm number two contender after Aljo. So, and they try to me make fight with Humarno Gamedo. If something happened, it's just a fight. Every one punch can, you know, like I lost. Then in five-five, he got title shot for one. Like, you know, me, I, you know, I earned this position. I should fight next, you know, after Arjo title, you know, I don't want to like, like you should fight Sean. Yeah, yes, no. But

Do you see what he's saying? He's saying like Umar only has to beat him, he gets a title shot. I'm going to cut everybody, you know? So I work so hard. Why don't they give me fights? So why do you guys think this goes this way then? Why do you think it's happening? Sometimes they push.

It's a good story, Kabib. Like a Nurman-Rum-O-Maghamedo and the field of Kabib's, it's new little Kabib. That too, but also to his point, what I think you're getting at is because we're teammates and they know we're not going to fight each other, so they're going to give you the hard, they're going to give you a fight that they think if this guy beats you, he takes your spot he goes for the title so i get that side of it it's business i don't knock the ufc yeah one bit but in o'malley's case that's not the situation he has no ties to myself no ties to mirab he literally fought one guy he won by split dana said he's fighting for the

the winner of that fight is fighting for the title next so i was either fighting yon for a trilogy or shorn o'malley split decision dana changes tune enters uh henry sey utah now you're telling me I got to fight this guy who was a two division champion Olympic gold medalist I got to go fight this guy why doesn't Sean have to fight this guy and me get to kind of just hang out and take a little vacation and get a time

to recoup and energize and take care of my bicep and all kinds of things and I never said no I don't complain like I let me not say it I did complain but I always said no matter even if I complain I always show up even if I bitched about it because it's true

and I want to make sure the fans understand that like hey man like I know I got all these things going on but guess what? For your entertainment for my bank account and because of the warrior spirit that I have I'm going to take the chance and hopefully it goes my way and I get the win

I'm going to work as hard as I ever do and I got the win and whatever so then I get to fight Sean that was the biggest payday I could ever have but again he was supposed to fight me before but why didn't he take that matchup? So I think the onus is on him when it comes to things like that. And I get it's a business decision.

Don't get me wrong. But I said, at the end of the day, I know my legacy is those going to be that I fought the toughest challenges, no matter what. I never back down to nobody. I never said no to nobody. Him, on the other hand, he can never say that. He can never say that. He's talking about fighting Cheeto and having Cheeto skip the line over the guys who actually earned a shot. You're telling me if San Hagen was healthy, he doesn't have to fight San Hagen.

He wants to go fight the guy that it was, come on, man, stylistically. I'm not saying Cheeto can't win because it's a fight. We know two fists, two legs. It's a fist fight. Obviously, we've seen that with myself and Sean. We already knew the odds of Sean beating me were like so slim to none. But sometimes the fights happen in such a crazy way that the other guy who's not supposed to win, every dog has their day.

He had his day. So that's all I'm saying. I just think when it comes to legacy, I'm more about that than it is. is for someone who's looking to get the easier route to the top doesn't matter if they're not good or not I'm saying they can be skilled and it can be good and be deserving but the same time is why do you get to skip the line and roll and roll the dice less versus the other guys who had to roll the dice more against the people myself Marab who had to go against all these top contenders to even get a shot to be in this conversation why do you think that is for

which one which for Sean why do you think he has he's he's allowed to roll the dice less in your opinion I think because he's the UFC's next cash cow potential star and I personally I think the UFC thought he was going to lose that against you yeah I think they yeah maybe something happened and if I didn't fight Oomar was supposed to fight him and I said well I'm not going to wait till January or February to fight because I would like to fight one more time before the end of the year. I said September or October. I'll go back to Abu Dhabi. I just need more time to kind of just relax, you know, decompress a little bit. Just give me some time to actually enjoy my win for once in my career. I took the fight. I turned around in some unimaginable

time frame that literally no other champion has done except maybe Volcanowski and even Volcanowski hasn't had a five-round competitive scrap with a top contender who's a two-division champion in Henry Seudo. There's a significant difference. none of these guys have done it the way I've done it go look at the records like I speak for themselves the numbers do not lie yeah you wanted to fight vote right I would have liked to fight vote if I had won this fight yeah now I'm like

yo he's fucking he's a he's bro with the hands too but that's what I'm saying so we did a lot of work I felt like I would have been prepared for Vogue based on the work that we've done Vogue is so good exactly like but then for me to make that mental mistake Let's me know that

Because I heard you say maybe I wasn't ready Exactly And I said if he could catch me like that Because I fucked up I can only imagine what Vogue would do to me Even though Vogue's not as much of a sniper He's more of a volume guy But who wants to get the shit beat out of him

For 25 minutes Yeah that guy I'd rather get caught And have the fight just be over They get my ass kick for 25 minutes That's way worse Because then it's just like Damn Joe you had no chance

You can't be like I got caught here or yeah it's just none dude he just kicked your ass from pillar to pose from beginning to end and i don't want that so how do you think that how do you think it's going to go for sean moving forward now who do you think he's going to fight next where do you think he loses the belt that in your opinion then because you're you think is it going to be back on you but a year later no not a year later he's fighting in december right in the corner that's what he said but he realized how beat up his shins were and i'm just like dude that was only that wasn't

even two rounds imagine you fucked his shins up that bad with those kicks He said it, bro. He said it. He said it in the post-fight interview. I'm going to go see him tomorrow and find out. He literally said to him. He literally said in an interview. He was kicking me shin to shin, and I'm like, dude, I know that's hurting you too.

Why are you fucking doing that? Stop doing that. And this is my thought process. I'm like, there's only one of us who's going to keep standing from this. And I'm so sick in the head where I'm thinking, I will kick the fuck out of your shins until one of us falls. You see what I'm saying? This is my mentality versus his. And I don't think he's willing to go there.

Like, okay, you're cool. It was a prettier fight because you caught me at the end. Okay, cool. I want him to fight you again so bad to see how this ages. I would love that. I would love that. Because you saw the first round. Who won the first round?

Yo, I can't lie. There's a funny-ass clip. There's a really funny clip. But, I mean, there was not enough to happen. Exactly. But who won the first round? You did. But not enough to happen, though.

Exactly. But who won the second round? But then the sniper. the sniper the sniper the sniper right you know this guy's the best no I already heard Sean used that joke already it was funny though it was funny it was funny

it was funny I was like I was like who burn I was like who burn burn burn burn but I was like if I fall him like that for four more rounds who gives a fuck about that fight so people was booing and then Aljo like okay I'm gonna go now and the people make him I think Aljo

upset that that's why he I got a little ahead of myself. Yeah. But if I fall in the same, and I can do that, I've done that before. I fought Piotrion, took my time. All right, you want to be the aggressive, crazy psychopath? Oh, no mercy. I let you come chase me around until I get a takedown and take you down,

and I'll just stall the fight until I get an opportunity to punch you where I can punch you and win the fight that way. Yeah. You just hug this back. I'm like, well, what did he do? What the fuck did he do? So then now I'm going the same thing with Sean. what did he do that's so exciting other than me running forward if I didn't run

forward how does that fight end yeah but you ran forward no I know I know that shit was exciting bro I was so hype I'm not gonna lie I can't lie I was so excited like I was at home I fucking screamed I was screaming but you're missing you're missing the point I know I hear what you're saying you're missing the point the point is if I don't do that what what what happens in that fight yeah but you're saying away slow fight yeah so that's what I'm saying so it's don't get me wrong I'm not taking away from him because I made the mistake yeah but I'm saying if I don't do that well what do we have we have the most boring band-of-way title fight in history dude imagine but imagine like you fight him again

and you take him down and he still beats you man if I take him down and he still beats me still come on bro from from from clinton oh dude come on dude everyone thought peter yon when he was down he was like oh he's done he got up he still got up he never escaped what do you talking about what do you Me he did escape. No, he did not. Maybe he never escaped. Why he's not losing? Come on, man.

You think he's escaped by the fucking cage or what? With me? Bro. He terrier said, Aljo's grappling is like, I got to see how good you are grappling. No, no, seriously. I'm not even trying to be funny. We got to test you, bro.

I'm serious. When I fought Jan, he never escaped. Aljo, like, you got to squeeze him. Like, you got to just something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm serious. When I fought Jan, he never, the first fight, the first fight,

the first fight I took him down in the first round. That's when I had the whole rehydration issue but the second fight when i took him down he never escaped never once so i'm saying if i take you're saying if i take sean down and he's still beats me i'm like but where i don't know man that's what i hear what you're saying but i'm just like based on what based on what based on god i don't know man based on god that guy that guy gets humped to death he get his ass v down there marab marab who wins in the street fight me or you you're really you're really you're like 110 pounds Yes, I'm smaller than you.

That's, that's, hey, I will beat you up easy. I will beat you up. Hey, I will make your tire. Listen, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, see? Listen, we got, we got, I got a matted space on my house. I'm down! The walls are matted, the grounds are batted.

We got the PI, we got extreme control. We got syndicate and we got 10th planet. Now, this is concrete. This is a bad idea. We got to do it another time. I'm down. I like, I want to fuck around for sure. But, okay, so you were talking about,

like not having a break never we should have a rematch though right i want to see a rematch we should i want to see a rematch i'd love to i think it's like after all this shit you said and he beat you again you know how hyped i'm going to be no if he beats me again then bro if he beats me again dude i can't say anything yeah yeah i can't say anything this make for a good fight though it would i think it would i think it would i think it would i think it would i think it's gonna go through so it's it's what's chito right next right should not be chito though but let's just say it is. Imagine if Chito wins this fight. Then it's just like, come on.

It's just like, come on. I love the, I love the fighter shade. It's so funny. You guys are just... No, no. Chito's good. But if Chito beats him again, again, Chito knocked him out. Chito knocked him out. Wait, wait, wait, wait. So you're going to be...

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, let's hear it. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait. Hold on. This is crazy. I don't want to talk about it. This is crazy. how's my guy dude we are real we are reals we are reals but you are just fan you know it's not like this my boy dude I know I understand hey listen I don't follow I don't follow many fighters but I follow Sean because I like

he's like he's like a character I like yeah I like him too but when we talk about fighters and respect and the UFC champion and like this that's where it's like has to be he has to be respectful he should you must fight the best of the best but right now point man yeah cheetah well and not best of the best and i see what he's dangerous yes the same way Sean is dangerous if you give him what he wants you give cheetah what he wants he's dangerous same thing he got in guard Sean lay there for a second whatever he was trying to play like silly jihitsu he was trying to do he got his shit sent to the neptunes and literally he got

knocked out on the ground like there was no question or if and's a but about the controversy taking a break he took a he took a yeah he took a nap that's what he was well uh are you saying listen I don't want it to come up as me being salty I'm just giving it the same way back that I'm getting it I just want to get the same way back but you don't think

you think if they had a rematch what do you think because did Sean get knocked out yes or no in that fight? Yeah I was moving in my fight I don't think I got knocked out it was a TKO stoppage but I don't think I got knocked out. I don't like it honestly

that part came on I like I switched to like friends I put friends. I was like, you can't watch this right now. And then I went back. So I didn't really see it, you know? I switched it. But more so I want to ask you this question about like taking a break. Like how is like fighting this many consecutive fights?

How is it affected like your mind, like you're mental? Bro, I have never been more burnt down in my life doing anything. And I told my guys going into this fight, win or lose, I just want a vacation. I don't care, dude. I made enough money. I have made enough money before taking the fight. I just want to be able to enjoy the fruits of my labor for once. Like I said, surgeries, my wrist, my neck, PT, training camp.

Oh, we're going to make you fight this day. Oh, no, no, we're not making you fight September. We're going to make you fight October. We're not going to make you fight January. You're going to make you fight August. You know what? Instead of August, we're going to say September. I've had to deal with this so many different times.

It's short might have to deal with the same thing and see what it feels like to have to keep training, stopping, pulling yourself back. Training again, pulling yourself back. He made a joke in a clip. He goes, I was kind of hoping I lost so that I could go back to three-round fights. Oh, I've seen that. I've seen that. And I'm like, oh, wait till you see how fun this is, motherfucker.

It's not fun at all. It's extra training. It's 10 more minutes, but it almost feels like an eternity out there. And it's way more work, way more hours you've got to put it in the gym. and it takes a mental toll on you, man. So eventually the guy, like even like a Khabib, even though he's been hurt a lot, he's been out a lot, John Jones, a lot of those guys who've been in GSP,

Mighty Mouse, guys who've been able to stay on the top for years. It's not easy, man. And I respect those guys because the mental fortitude to be able to balance that and to still win, it's not easy. It takes a special individual to be able to go through that grind. Yeah. And every single challenger rise up to the occasion and not come short on fight day.

Because you can feel great the whole training camp, but all that matters is fight day when you step into that octagon. How are you feeling? Are you there? Are you dialed in? Are you focused? So what's been your hardest fight in your whole career then? Like where you were in there and you felt like, oh, this is really tough right now. Maybe not because of the fighter, but maybe because of where you were at mentally. Like where you're in there, like, I don't feel my best. I know it, but I'm going to do my best regardless. My hardest fight, honestly, is probably this last one. And I hate saying that because it almost comes off like I'm trying to shade Sean's win.

But, I mean, these guys know what it was and the whole training camp building up to this and the whole little shenanigans behind the scenes. And it is what it is. Like I said, what was going on? I said in the presser, like, I don't want to, hey, Aljo, you talked about all these things. Did any of those things affect you in this fight? And I said, I just said, I'm not going to pull a T.J. Dill's. Shaw and try to degrade his win but you know as soon as he wins he goes up there he goes

I had this rib injury I had a battle demons I'm just like come on bro come on dude don't do that because it is just like come on we want to both make excuses and type of thing like I would have fought better if this I would have trained better if this don't do that so I don't want to make this and shade his win at the end of day I'm just going to say mentally having to deal with all the things I had to deal with coming into this fight, it was this one in terms of all that stuff going in. But I felt like I did a good job managing all that, going in to the best of my ability and fighting as best as I could. Yeah. And that is what it is. And the better guy won that night. All right, guys, quick interruption from this podcast, trifecta nutrition. Check this out.

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I mean, he did what, I mean, he did his best thing to throw, punch, a drop Aljo, and the referee stuff, whatever happened, and we all see this. And of course, I have so much respect to him

as a fighter. It's not going to be easy fight for me. And especially now, we all see his footwork. Like, really, really good. Sean, yeah, he's He's good, yeah, speed, and he's waiting for you. She's not easy, man. She's not easy, man. Yeah, because usually, so, like, when I sparring, I take people down, everything.

But other, like, a couple days before I sparring, and I sparring some guy like similar style, like Sean, it was so hard to take him down because he was footwork, and I realized what he was feeling there. Because Sean just running away, he's waiting for him. fight like I'll just say yeah yeah Sean is a hard style matchup for me it's not easy but yeah after I'll do I'm the next contender you know not cheat over or nobody else you know and I I said this you know if Sean don't want to wait or EFC don't want to wait or I'll do not fighting him next then Sean should fight me so if he he finished me or win or somehow or some way then

And then it's all due to the rematch and everything. Dude, I might go up to 45, man. Really? I've been thinking about this shit so, like, more or more. And I've been, I've watched the Holloway zombie fight. I'm just like, I'm 34, dude. I just turned 34 on July 31st. I'm a Leo.

And I want to end my career with fights that excite me. I don't want to just be going in there fighting these young 23-year-olds. Fuck that, dude. these guys are young lions testosterone through the roof sure I mean I got some pretty good testosterone though just just ask the old lady she knows what up but you know I want to I want to have the fights that excite me so when it's all set and done I could be like man I had some I fought some of the best guys the biggest names so who at 45 gets me scared where I'm training I'm like yo man I'm so worried about this I want to make sure I leave no stones in turn

Trying to get the best work I can get so it could be as most prepared as it could possibly be. So who at 45 do you want? So it's a little weird because you got Tuporia, you got Giga Chikaze, both Georgians. Yeah. Good friends of Marav. And then you got Max Holloway, you got Calvin Cater, you got Arnold Allen, Yaya Rodriguez, Brian Ortega. It's crazy.

We all friends with these guys. We all friends with these guys. It's such a weird thing. I'm like, I'm going to come up and just fight these guys. It's like, ah, but yeah. So what's the most exciting fight there, would you say, for you? Right now? Yeah.

If you went up. If I went up, the most exciting fight I can see, because I'm obviously not going to get the next title shot. I think Holloway would probably be the most exciting that will get fans like, oh, he's going to fight Max. It's a big guy. He's 511, just like Sean. 45, a good striker.

It's an exciting fight. Not a guy, I mean, I've trained with him two different times now in Hawaii, but that's like, it's not like we sparred and do all this, like, crazy training together, but we trained and went to his gym. I love his coach Rylan, like, but it's just one of those things. Like, if I do go up, then it's a very interesting situation. Yeah. I'd like to see it, for sure. I'd love to see it. I just want to see how I can do at that weight class, and I want to do, like, some feelers, do some sparring with some high-level guys, so I can kind of know, like, can my,

body frame hang with those guys who got a little bit more punching power at that weight class. And then I do feel me not cutting down to 35 that changes the game, dude. Like I know I'm a tank when I'm in the room. I feel like when I'm at 155 and I'm sparring and I'm training, I'm a tank.

When I got to cut that extra 10 pounds in 135 I feel like I lose a little bit. I really do. So you think it's easier to stay around that weight for you to like be efficient? Because I was curious, like if someone's cutting weight for a fight versus gaining weight, which one do you think is best because at the same time too if you're if you're not training in that heavier

weight don't you say you get there you feel a little slower like a less cardio or well i'm not gaining weight right remember i woke around 67 about 68 170 right so for me to cut down the 145 it's just not going down as low exactly but i'm asked your opinion though just in fight in general like for example if someone's going to like catch to come up and go to a way for someone come down and go to a weight which one do you think is easier come down and go to weight versus come up and go to a weight. I think it depends on skill set. I really do and it depends on who's cutting the weight the right way, who's hydrating the right way, who's going up the right way. I think skill set, so the nutrition skill set or fight skill set. I think a little bit, I think it's everything

involved. You can't skip, you can't have one without the other and think that something else isn't going to lie. You can have the skills, you can't cut the weight the right way, it's going to hurt you. You can have cutting the weight the right way. You can lack the skills. It's going to hurt You've got to have a good balance of both. Okay. Who are, in your opinion, what are the top five most influential UFC fighters? Influential? Influential.

Connor McGreg, obviously. You say number, are you going to rank them in numbers or just? No, I'm just going to say names. I don't want to get crucified. John Jones, obviously Hoyce Gracie. Yeah. I think you have to have those three guys in there. John with the spinning attacks, Connor, with just like everything for being a pioneer, two division champion.

The next two guys, influential. I feel like you can't, between GSP and Anderson Silver, I feel like you maybe have to have both of those guys. Yeah. What's that four? That's four. Four, five, secondly. Is that five?

That's five, he said. What about Kibb? Connor, GSP, John Jones. You said Gracie. Royce Gracie. Who was the other one I said? Anson Silver. Silver G.

Yeah. What about you? What do you say on that? I will say John Jones I will say George St. Pierre I will say so Anderson Silwa

I will say Josie Aldo Okay And it's four Yeah, it's four, one more Thailand, Thailand, Thailand Yeah because I spit hot fire

I go my friend, I'll jump my standard. That's love. So what do you think it takes? You guys can both answer this too. What do you think it takes to be one of the most influential UFC fighters? To be influential. Yeah. You got to win, man.

You have to be winning. Well, you said, and I think it's also character as well. Like, because you talk about Connor, his biggest, like, I mean, he shifted the game. Not just because he was a great fighter, but also because he was like this large and then life character. Because Connor's show there's not just. fighting he showed that it's also entertainment yeah you have to be able to do both you want to make money you got to be an entertainer at the same time i was leading up to this fight with shana molly thinking like i want to have a moment or moments in this fight where i could do stuff and either do

like some olays and kind of like play it up because i know the audience is going to be so huge but i never got the opportunity because the way he fought it was just like there was no opportunity that presented itself for me to do anything like that i was like well, this is going to be the fight, so it is what it is. But I think when you have those moments like Nick Diaz, he hits Leon Edwards with a freaking, what was it, a right hand, or a left cross that stuns him. Literally 10 seconds at the end of the round,

and he just points at him, and that's a moment. Yeah. It's just like, oh, he won the fight. I'm like, yo, bro, he got his ass kick for four rounds, probably five. Yeah. And that one moment dictated everyone's opinion. It's just like things like that. That's what people care about.

That's what people remember. people want to feel something when they're out there watching these fights and you've got to make them feel away so that's one of the things I learned about being in the sport and trying to deliver entertainment

I know people probably can be like oh your title run is something I dick but yeah what about you what do you think it takes for a UFC fighter to be influential of course

talent plus hard work and when you come champion to defend the belt and stay on top you have to be disciplined and it's so hard when you come champion everybody wants to interview with you you have to like you have so many like other extra things you have all your friends and family and everybody one of your time and you have to you have to be good guy too you know it's it's hard to keep you on top like that and um you need

you need a good team you need a good team and everything it's like yeah that's a good yeah just don't cut when he's on it yeah that's fine you're good you're good yeah Yeah. So, yeah, it's, you need hard work, discipline. And like I said, it's so hard when you come popular, you come champion. It's so hard to be, stay on top and still grind and still just go gym every day and training on top. And because like today's days, it's so hard because everybody has a podcast. Always something happening and it's so hard to be. We're like, we're like fighting for everyone's attention. Yeah.

You know what I mean? It's not easy, man. Yeah, man. So on that note, as far as attention and just like overall popularity, would you say over all your years of fighting and being involved in the sport and looking at the sport, I guess prior to really getting into it? Have you seen like a really big, because as a spectator and like a person who's in the industry as far as like entertainment purposes goes, fighting is only becoming so much more popular. I feel like it's getting immensely more popular. Not that it wasn't and it hasn't been, but I feel like the sport is growing so much. UFC specifically, but also just fighting in general boxing all this stuff because

like influencers coming in and doing all this stuff and fighting. What's your take? Have you noticed popularity? Have you like noticed increased? Like when you started fighting towards or going towards this fight with Sean, have you like, did you get more followers, even in the loss? Like how did that affect like your socials, that kind of shit? I actually got a lot of followers after the loss, which is one of the weirdest things.

a lot of people were they resonated with me in the post-fight speech which was like it was weird because what I said in the post-fight speech was nothing different than I've said in other fights

but it was like because of the first yon fight I've been getting crucified ever since then fake champ paper chan you didn't really win oh his title run has been a fluke

not from everybody but you get a good portion of the masses that kind of have that sentiment and I think sometimes other people see that and they kind of just piggyback off of that after this fight I feel like a lot of people came

around which is one of the weirdest things I'm just like dude I've been the same person all I do is talk shit before the fights because I build the fight I like to have words on the line someone has to eat their words and thankfully more times than not I have been the guys that let

the other guys eat their words and unfortunately this one you know i had to eat my words all the things i've said um but it is what it is but that's pretty much the main thing that i've seen after the last fight but for the most part i think the popularity has grown overall which is cool to see that the sport and that's why i like guys like a conner i like guys like john jones i like guys like um um um um o'm mowley people that kind of transcending the sport in a business sport in a bigger way because we're here in the states what was it the Singapore fights we had to wake up at 5 a.m. to watch the fights this time compared to us uh 2 a.m because in the east coast is 5 a.m. Yeah. So for us to have to wake up and watch the fights at that time versus the the European

region that wakes up for every weekend's fights like that to watch us. It just lets you know how to be appreciative of everything that we do have because we have so much going on. We have soccer, we have baseball, we have American football, we have basketball. Well, these other sports and other fans, they watch all these other things and they get to see us. So for us to wake up and have to do what they deal with on a weekend basis, I appreciate stuff like that because it lets me know how much people like that care about what we're doing and we can see how far we've come over the years that we've been like doing this, man. And that's what gets me excited.

It's just like, I feel good knowing that there's a kid out there watching me who looks up to me and then be like, I want to be like the farm master. And I'm just like, it melts my heart because it's like, ah, I get like Terry died even talking about it because I'm like, I know what that feels like wishing that you had someone that you can actually look up to that gives you the motivation to want to go achieve your dreams and work hard and you don't have that. You kind of have no guidance and you kind of just kind of just go to life. and I feel like that's why we have gangs. That's why we have all these things where people are like odd in society because we don't have a place where we can feel like we belong.

And that's why I love the sport because even if you're not the most popular kid in your school, X, Y, and Z, you do MMA, you go to the gym, you show up, it's almost like a family. Comaery, yeah. And in and around itself,

even though you might not be the best guy, people in the gym, they know you, and it's just like you just have that family background. And that's what I love about the sport no matter what. Yeah. I mean, it's beautiful, man, Because, like, just to be straightforward, like, I think men in specifically today's society is like the stuff you just talked about about feeling like the idea of not being good enough, all that.

Like I said earlier, I grew up in this very similar way. Obviously, I didn't find fighting like you did. But it's good to speak from this perspective to give people who are listening like, oh shit, an avenue that they can find where they can feel supported, where they can feel like, yo, like you can prove kind of your worth in a sense or be in a circle where like there's camarader in it. Because obviously you guys are all fighters at the highest level, but you all really like, fuck with you. each other regardless it's like it's like a family like a community and you could always kind of find a community outside of maybe what like the typical idea of what it should be in your own like home or household right so i think it's beautiful when you speak on that kind of stuff and i think that's maybe why if you talk about um you know popularity after and the pressers and all that stuff

obviously humble and defeat and then also talking about those things because i don't think you've talked about that in all your other press conferences and you know what i'm saying like i feel like you have you have maybe it's just because there's a bigger bigger microphone that or maybe people are more willing to hear me because I lost that that I see what you're saying because when you're winning people like oh fuck it they don't want to hear it they just out like oh you barely won fuck this guy

so you think they were they were more willing to listen to you in defeat to just kind of see like well let's hear what this motherfucker who's got to say for himself and it's just like and then they really listen yeah I'm like dude I've been saying this from the very beginning I've been I coach kids in high school yeah I've coached kids in middle school I've coached kids in college I like giving back This is just myself

Because if I never had that guy Who was like my father figure To take me to these rust and tournaments I don't know where the fuck I would be in my life right now Yeah So thankful for Dave Matana Who took me out and helped me do all these things Because I almost feel an obligation

To pay it forward No matter what Even now I try to figure out ways I could get to the gym To help do a free seminar Even though I don't like doing shit for free anymore because time is money, but the same time I do know I was once in that place

and to give back and give these kids an opportunity to see this individual that you see and idolize or might see that might be like a larger-than-life individual. It's a real person who puts his pants on the same way you do every single day. So that for me is what I do it for. At the end of the day, I made enough money. I'm happy.

Everything is icing on the cake. What I love to go out there and whoops Sean's ass 100% and do it in a rematch but it's about the bigger things in life at the end of the day I'm doing this for a bigger purpose and hopefully when it's all set and done I get that opportunity to spread

the message across and it's just like let's leave the world a better place than when it was when we came here and that's what it's all about for me at the end of the day like all the shit talking and things like this is like WWI I like the bravado it's so fun I like building it up

it's just fun it's fun theater so entertaining And at the end of the day, someone has a win, someone has to lose, regardless if we're doing it or not. So why not make it fun so we can get some entertainment out of it? Yeah. And that's really all it is for me. You know, so I don't know.

I feel like after this fight, I've got an opportunity to have a bigger platform for people to hear the message. And hopefully there's people that are out there listening and they can take some inspiration from it. Like, at the end of the day, we can only push for the highest highs. And if we come up short, dude, it's okay. Life is a marathon. It's not a sprint. We're going to be here for so many days and we just got to keep working our hardest and trying to be our best every single day. Some days

are going to be tough. Some days are going to be hard. We're going to be sore. We're going to be sad. We're going to have deaths in the family. We're going to have so many different things. We're trying to figure out how we're going to get money to pay this bill. And we've got to figure out how to find a way and try to keep our bearings on straight and not give up hope. And I think that's what it's all about, just understanding that there's more to it than just, like, and it ain't all sunshine and rainbows, man. Sometimes it's going to be those dark days when it rains and it when it's shiny outside, like, dude, I've lost before, man. I feel like there's been more times I've lost big. And to even be on this run and to even get to where I've gotten, dude, it chokes me up every single time I even talk about it because I'm like, I, to think.

I think I would be here? Fuck, dude. Fuck, man. So, I'm happy, bro. I'm happy. I'm happy for you. Huge, man. Really, like, for real.

It's dope to see it. It's dope to see the gratitude in it. On that note, what parts of your career or just throughout your life would you say were the most trying, like, what was the hardest points where you were like, let's say for you in the fight game, where you were going through it, where you were like, damn, maybe this shit's not for me or this is just so difficult? Like, were there any moments that felt like the lowest for you along the way? you along the way?

My first professional loss, followed by the second professional loss, back-to-back, two split decision losses, but my job was on the line, and I was like, man, maybe I should have just stuck to teaching and not even tried to aspire to do something bigger. And the fact that I was able to come back one more time and I was able to win, dude, I was in tears after that. Wow. I'm having a reminiscing moment. Don't judge me.

Dude, because it's just like you have this image of yourself and you think that you're going to be this thing and then it doesn't happen and you kind of, dude, you fall short and you just like, you question everything. Well, the choices you made, why you did what you did.

did could have been doing something else could have been more stable you don't have to put your ass on the line for millions of people to see for the rest of eternity on the UFC's bookshelf for fights to come yeah and it's just like man we take this chance hoping to chase a dream and sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't and uh I commend anybody who could do this sport bro anybody bro it's not easy it's the hardest thing i think ever what kept you going that how did you after that you're like fuck it uh what kept me going after that i mean it's it was definitely the money even though it wasn't that big of a payday because i lost the next two fights on my second contract and it was the same pay but it was just more like win or lose

I want you to kind of just kind of go out on your own way and ah fuck I can't I'm trying to not you're good man you're good this shit gets me dude I've

I think people people only see the winds man they don't see all the other shit but but that's why we try to talk about it because that like all that made you who you are yeah but it was just like man

fuck I get it bro trust I mean from a different vein obviously yeah it's just and it was just like

win or lose man it was just one of those things like I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna try to do this as best as I can and at the end of day

I can look at myself in the mirror and be like dude you gave it everything you had yeah and that was it for me and that's why I was like

I tell people I'm like dude fucking you got a fucking dream you got to go man go for it life is short and if it doesn't work you could at least be like you fucking tried you tried

if you never tried it's just like it's easy to sit there from your couch and judge people and say this and that you suck you should be doing something else but I'm just happy I stuck with it and man who would have thought fucking

man what was that almost 10 years later 7 years later be fucking a world champion defending the belt three times nine fight win streak for all over the world it's bought my mom a house that's probably the most it's beautiful crazy thing i've i think ever been able to do and then life's good bro yeah life's great it could be so much worse and i think about all the people who have it worse than us man i'm healthy i can still work I can still chase opportunities and dreams even though it might not be easy

like even for me now people probably like it was easy you say because you won so many fights and you got money dude I didn't always have money and I think that's the most important part I've come from humble beginnings and I was happy to make 250 and 250 my pro debut bro

$250 to show up $250 to win and I thought I was the richest man in the world because I was doing what I loved And that was the most important thing. And here I am making a living. And I couldn't be more blessed and grateful for everything. It's beautiful. Aljo was a UFC fighter and he was still teaching in high school.

Still teaching. He was still working. He was still working. Yeah. And then, yeah. And also one more thing. So New York, Long Island, where we was training, we still training, our team, where is our team.

So Ray Longo, he's a key boxing coach. And for Jiu-Jitsu, he was going to Metzara's gym. So we was doing Shred Jiu-Jitsu and a little bit of key boxing and just how we was fighting. And I'll just say, we've got to figure out something. I'll just start traveling after he was UFC. And he saw how, like everybody was training. And he saw, we got to do something. We need the MMA training, like not only just go.

Jiu-Jitsu not only keep boxing because this is not MMA you know and then I'll just start MMA class and since that like now we have like so many UFC fighters in our gym because of now we have this still classes still going run and this class helps Aljo to get better classes get me it's beautiful the gym grow up and now it's like so many people are training and so and and like you know that's you know you know He's not selfish, you know. He's just, he just works hard and show everybody that if you work hard, you will, you will get successful.

It's nothing secret. Just work hard. Look how I work and you do the same and you just do your thing, you know? Yeah. And it's not like he's not like, yeah. No, it's beautiful paving the way, your own way, man. I mean, it's clear you, you know, you give a fuck about it for sure. you definitely live the life where you're like damn

you see the value and almost like where you're at now maybe it feels good you're probably emotional because like you're in a position now where you're kind of able to give back maybe the things that you didn't necessarily grow up with which is probably why it hits that that cord in because I definitely relate to that where I'm at it's more when I think about it man

when I think about it hits so much deeper because then I feel like I'm back in that at head space that's why I just try to live in a moment because when I'm not saying it's not good to kind of go back and reflect where you come from and everything, but it's just such sad moments and tough moments.

It's just like dark places. But doesn't that, I feel it. Doesn't that fire you up, though, a little bit? No, it does, but that's also like, I almost feel like it's the old version of me versus the new version of me where I'm at today, and then I change my goals every single year, and I try to look for new things to kind of. So when I look back at my old goals and see. the things that I wanted and I achieved.

I'm just like, it's crazy, man. It's crazy how the mind works. It's crazy how the universe work. And even if it doesn't go your way, it's just like, well, how do I pivot from here and how do I get back on track or how do I try to get to some of these things that I want to get to?

And I think that's the most important thing that I've learned over the years that the fucking road to success is not just like this. dude oh yeah it's like you do dips his peaks and valleys it's crisscrosses it's detours it's pitch forks in the road it's booby traps is quicks in and it's just like you have to be like so mentally tough and it's not easy to just block everything out ignore everything and i always have like a rule and it's kind of like you have my thing that people say 24 hours i say you have like two

two or three days kind of feel sorry for yourself and after that it's kind of like all right what now you're gonna feel sorry for yourself for the rest of your life no motherfucker I'm a man at the end of the day you got to figure that shit out yeah whether it is fighting whether it's something else it's just you can't always be sorry for it and that's one of the things I learned through wrestling is like wrestling beat me down so many different times I've lost matches to guys I should have been should have been, and should have gone to the state tournament, should have done this, should have been able to go D1, I didn't get to do any of those things. And I've learned so many valuable lessons of just what it is to work hard, and even if you

work hard, sometimes you're not guaranteed to get what you want to get. You can work so hard, and sometimes you are not guaranteed to have success. It could just not be your time. This guy just might be more talented. He might have favoritism. It does not matter. Sometimes you were just competing against the odds And no matter how hard you work

But at least you know you tried your best At least you know you gave it everything And at least you know When you do all those things Sometimes the universe just finds a way To give you a chance or an opportunity Yeah And that's it.

Yeah, it's beautiful man Can't say it better That's fighting for me man And I'm 34 and I realize the door is closing I don't want to fight Tom 40 could I yeah I haven't taken that much damage throughout my entire career

I don't want to do that I don't want to be one of those guys who tarnishes their legacy and everything they've accomplished and obviously the shit hurts but it's it's one of those things I recognize I try to enjoy the moment as much as I can

and that was part of the reason why I even took this fight I'm like if I let Sean go fight someone else and he loses I don't get the opportunity that I had in Boston Yeah So I see It is what it is

And sometimes life is about Taking chances Risk versus reward And the juice Was you know More than worth to squeeze And I took a chance And sometimes that's what it's about

If you don't always You don't always succeed I've been here before And it's just like Yeah People feel more sorry for me Than I feel sorry for myself I'm just like

Why do you feel sorry for me Like There's someone else out there Who should be Like you should be feeling sorry for them like this, I can have it so much worse. But like we're talking earlier.

So it's like perspective. Right. Don't you find it interesting how like when you're crushing, everyone's like, fuck this guy. But they want to see you lose or when you lose, they feel sorry for you. And it's like they were waiting for you to follow it up. Yeah. And then I think it's American culture. And then we love a good comeback story.

Yeah. And hopefully I could give that good comeback story. If not, it is what it is. Like at the end of the day, that doesn't dictate how hard I'm going to work in the room. That doesn't dictate how hard I'm going to work when I fight and compete. You know, if it's men, it's. to be it's meant to be yeah and uh as they say inshallah you know if it's god's will is god's will bro i work as hard as he worked oh man he muslim no no no i just say we've been we've been saying it

because uh my buddy fucking anyway that's a long story i won't get into that right now different story but on on on the story because he's an influencer on influencers and the fight game um i want to ask your opinion on what do you think is going like who do you think so win the fight between first off i'm assuming you're aware of it Logan and Dylan Danis. Oh, come on. Who was going to win that fight? Oh, you know, fights like that, I'm glad these guys are making money,

but it's just like, oh, come on, come on. And I got another question on that, but go ahead and answer this one first. Who I think is going to win that one? If this, wait, what kind of fight is it boxing? All right. If it's boxing, I give it to Logan. Yeah. If it was MMA, I would give it to Dylan Dennis.

but it's just one of those things Logan's is bigger than Dylan Dennis same way Jake Paul's been bigger than pretty much all the guys he's fought and like 10 years younger and 10 years younger that plays a factor like I'm not saying like Logan can't win but it's just one of those things

like Logan's I mean not Logan Dylan but Dylan's not the biggest puncher he's a grappler so there's a fight that benefits Logan the most it's definitely that one in terms of name value hopefully the fight happens it's entertainment I'm gonna why the fight happens yeah I mean we've seen a lot of cancellations you know I don't

know on whose part but I'm gonna watch but Rob who do you think so to win that fire Logan I got Logan because we don't know he's been training boxing and he's good at us and then yeah he's gonna win this fight yeah if it's MML I'll just say I I still got Logan if it's nasty because jiu-jitsu is a game-changer, but Logan has the background wrestling and now he's boxing, like he's training like, he's training good, like, like, yeah. And then so, and. So what do you guys think about the Dillon-Dennis troll, like going so hard on the girl?

Because the fight game, you know, you're in it. It's not right, man. It ain't, listen, like I don't dictate or choose anyone's path of how to get in someone's head, but it's not something I would do. It's kind of a little distasteful, but it is what it is. I mean, they say there's no, there's no, what do you call? There's no rules and love and war. Yeah.

So I guess it's one of those things. Dylan Dennis is exercising his right to do that. Yeah. I'm not saying I agree with it, but I see what he's doing, and maybe that's a way for him to get inside Logan's head and actually get the win. imagine he comes in there super fired up just seeing red

so mad it gas is out he pulls uh aljamaine sterling he just over extends is over extends fuck like damn the universe is evil I think Joseph was so mad about

Connor McGregor and when he come aggressive and McGregor got him like the same it looked really similar to you get it was literally the same I was like damn even when he squared off he did the same thing thing with his arm. Yeah, no, he framed

the same way. And as I stepped, the same way he stepped, but he was trying to, like, kill him. I was just don't punch, and it was damn, it was crazy because it's like a highlight forever now. It's... I know. Fuck. Whatever, though. I can't make it any worse, you know? It's like...

No, it doesn't... It doesn't bother me. It's dope, though. At least you're part of history. Oh, not dope. I'm sorry. He said it's dumb. I mean... He was like this. He was like, you know what the fucked up? part about it was when I watched it back I'm sorry I know you got hit I can't choke too much about

I apologize when you do that punch he didn't even flinch like he he was like not that you know not obviously that's what I said he moved his feet already he had that distance yeah and that's what I was saying when I when I stepped and I threw the punch I had already realized he moved his feet and that's when I braced for impact because I realized I gave him exactly what he was waiting for yeah and that's why I was like when it's like oh look at the brilliance of he didn't I'm like, dude, he literally saw what I did. And it wasn't like a Rubik's Q puzzle. It's like he waited for me to do the one thing

that I've done in previous fights and the one thing I said I wasn't going to do and I did it. Yeah, it was one of those things. So I was like, I seen it. And it was no like, uh, this is, he's good at that. The same way if you step into me

and I do a reactive take down and I take you down is like, it's not surprising. And that's not surprising to me. It's like you give him what he wants And he threw it off the backboard What I'm gonna do him gonna fucking dunk that shit And he dunked it Yeah

Like you think you nightcrawler me in a street fight But that's a nice story Like that would happen Bro, I don't know man It's a little crazy Who who I mean there's one way to find out We'll do it, we'll do it, we'll do it I'm just saying there's one way to find out

Right Jacob Hey I ain't Devin Haney I'm just saying No no no no I ain't Devin Haney I know that I know that You're a little heavy

He's just boxes. You got like six more pounds on him. He's, Devin Hayes not a big guy. He's a shorter guy. Yeah. But he's also just a boxer. Yeah.

I ain't looking to throw hands with you. I ain't looking to just throw hands with you. I wouldn't. I'm not looking to throw hands with you either. So what would you do? What would be the strategy? What would be the strategy? I would let you come towards me.

Listen, I've learned from my mistakes. You're a little bit different. You're a bigger guy. So here's a thought process. If I got into a bar, fight with a bigger dude. I know right off the rip, I'm not going to exchange with this guy. And I know just thinking, this motherfucker is going to want to hit me so bad because he's probably looking at this little motherfucker. He's going to throw something so stupid and such a haymaker

that's going to be so telegraphed that he's going to miss. Once he misses, the fight's over. I'm on his back, like night crawler, strangling this motherfucker to sleep. And you got six seconds to get me off your back, or that's nighty night. Corrotted arteries, game. check houses. I think we'll fuck around a little bit. You realize it won't be that easy. Because I wouldn't swing on you. So then what would you do?

I would wait. So then we'd just be like Shronomali versus Al J. I'd wait at each other. I'd fucking slam you as soon as I got you. Because your body weight is so light. But did you see Connor versus that behemoth, Viking guy? You're talking about Thor? The bigger, yeah, the four, yes.

Seven foot monster. Did you see, hold on. Did you see him wait? Did you see him wait for Connor? Like, if you get on his back, you have the hook. You have the hook. This guy's going to swing you around, and he's probably going to think, okay, let me jump.

And the moment you think he's jumping, you take the hooks out, and this motherfuckings just jumps. It's just going to be like, you just look stupid. You just look so stupid just doing that. And then you're in a position. It's just not good. I'm not saying because he's so strong, like even if Dustin went for Arbor. You probably just being like flex them. Yeah.

But then that's why you choke motherfuckers because this, there's no muscle that trains this from going to sleep. No, but he does have some muscle around here, though. Yeah, but six seconds, the karate is you go to sleep no matter what. Everyone's the same. Of course. I know there's no muscle right. Sometimes I do jiu-jitsu with the women's and they choke me out. Yeah.

It's about technique, man. It's not about the power. I know you're strong. Respect, man. It's good. No, no, I get it. I see what you're saying. But I just don't think, I think the way you're thinking that is going to go is just,

it's almost assuming that the fighter is going to be that, like, naive to just be like, I'm just going to hang out here and just hold on for dear life. And I don't think it would go like that. And I think Dustin is a little bit smart. in that to just not let that happen makes sense that's what i think yeah but he could make a mistake and overextend either way i want i do want to i do want to film some shit i want to fuck around with you for sure i saw mighty mouse the other day actually yeah yeah yeah well see this this started as a street fight thing then all of a sudden it went to like just ju jujitsu but i can't bro he'll

if there's no time limit i'm fucked i don't know enough to end it you know what then so if you were going to do like a street fight with him how would you guys like structure like you you guys gonna wear shing guards to kind of like simulate a street fight or you guys gonna actually do like a full on street fight that's why it gets so murky because it's like do i really want a full on street fight if this like are we really gonna do that that's that's where it gets you know what then if you put the shing guards on and the the seven-ounce gloves it kind of makes it like well if if we took these off we kind of know what's up but since these are on we kind have an idea of what would probably would happen because he was talking about like doing jiu-jitsu

but I'm like, bro, he's going to, I'm just going to gas me. I'm just going to fucking spinning circles. The guy's going to gas me. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, if I went with a bigger guy, not even saying with you, if I went with a bigger guy, like, I just know, like, eventually you're going to try to, like, kill me to the point where you're going to be swinging like a madman. I know you're not in shape.

I know I'm in shape for the most part. And I know if you miss, bro, good luck to you. Good luck to you. And guys, please don't try to challenge me. I'm not trying to challenge the world. I just want to have a good time. No, dude, I love it. I love it.

You know, it's so funny. I see now people just on podcasts and shit, just asking all the fighters, can they beat me in a street fight? It's hilarious. I don't know how it became so viral. Of course, they all say, yeah. Like, I think, what is Gilbert Burns?

Yeah, I saw it. I saw it. I saw it. I was like, Gilbert, what are you doing? You know, his kids were rooting for Sean. I was so mad. Because they hung out with me when we were watching the fights for Pantosia

versus Brandon Moreno. And it was like, who do you want to go? And I thought they liked me. And they were like, I want to go. for my birthday to go watch Sean Amali fight. I was like, these motherfucking kids. They knew.

They came in the warm-up room when Gilbert came down with his kids. I was like, this is outlandish. Dude, whatever. Can't be mad at the kids, right? I don't know, somehow when you look shown, like he's like just, he's like, everybody likes him like as a like,

I don't know, like because it's like a woman. No. You say it's like a woman? Yeah, something. Yeah. Something about it. Holy shit. Yeah.

Like... No, the disrespect, bro. I don't know. Because his hair? No, no, no, no. No, like... No, he's just like how he dress, how he looks, how he talks, how he... Like, he's different.

Like, let's say, for example, real guy say, pretty woman walks and you watch, right? Same is... Omanle is different. You know, he's like... He's not a regular fighter. there like broken nose and the broken ear and like you say he's a pretty boy he's yeah exactly oh i want him to fight you now i don't even know he's a pro i want him to fight you know it's crazy i don't understand that no he's different with him at all he's bro i don't

understand the infatuation with him bro he's fucking entertaining you remember what he did the shit you were talking about wanting to do in the fight against him yeah like where he did the shit you remember he's fighting like that like the dribble shit back it was like one of his oh come on those bro he's entertaining no no but no no no no there's Don't get me wrong. But when I'm saying, people talk about, like, his image and everything, and I look at guys like Usman. And I see, like, he's well-dressed, and he looks fly as fog.

And then I see the way Sean dresses. I'm just like, I don't get it. Where's the disconnect? Why isn't Usman as popular as that where this guy who has tattoos on his face is way more popular night and day compared to Usman? I know people are going to say, oh, Uzman doesn't knock everybody out. Well, he knocked out Mosvido, who was, like, one of the most popular guys. But Sean is entertaining.

like beyond fighting he's just entertaining he's a funny guy like you get him on some TikTok I watch all his fights okay I watch all his fights but so the thing I'm not talking about is just his fights I'm talking about his character offline like online in other avenues like he'll make TikToks that are just hilarious like the dude's funny I see some of it I seen the one he did

with me and yon he was like if you want to be pio de yon that he went on his knees and hands and he was just he ran his head he was like into his knee because it was like me and obviously yon need me in the head I thought that was actually pretty funny I'm saying he's funny bro that's why but I feel like at least I feel like there's only been like a very small handful of those content pieces where I'm like okay that's really funny but then does that generate the entire mass following I don't know that's what I'm saying I just feel there's

a little bit of disconnect where I'm trying to like connect the dots because not even for just me I'm trying to see it well how do if I had a fighter and I was managing people how do I get my fighter to get to a point like that to get the fans to really care if they were a striker because there are fighters that are strikers that are not as popular

where it's like well how do we take this and cultivate it into something that could be mainstream and at the same time get the youth to care and just get the UFC to take notice

and obviously the world I mean it's just for it's social media and it's the way he's made content throughout the people he's made content with the way he makes content is very like transparent he's very just real like straightforward you know you talk about the way he dresses and all that stuff it's like not so over the top there's a lot more people that I think can relate to like

the guy's just dressing in fucking hoodies and shit he don't give a fuck yeah it's more relatable than oh I'm in a fucking button down suit and I look fancy like whoever we're talking about else you know what I'm saying like there's more Connor Mazvedon de Vasachi yeah like he's just he's chill like in my opinion that's why he has that appeal and he has this like more more like connected feel to an audience right that's for sure what it is because I could speak on it just because I've been on the internet for so long besides fighting and he's connected with a lot of the right people to connect with

you know what I'm saying like so there is that whole audience that like oh they're engaged with that person right like like and I know sorry not to cut you over no you're great I know he did like the Snoop Dog thing where Snoop Dog hyped him up coming off the contender series so he had that piggyback into his next fight but then he fought Terry on where and it went to

a decision and then I kind of felt like when you don't get a finish your very next fight it almost like dies down but for some reason for him and almost like for some I just don't get it so I'm just trying to connect the dots so don't get me wrong I agree with everything you're saying it's just when I watch everything I'm like well I don't get why this works for him but it didn't work for this guy or that guy so then it's like well how do you kind of get that formula and then I know also the other thing he partnered up with like

you know the nook boys and everything like that so that was also cool and doing the podcast and things like that with very popular or polarizing figures. So my thing is like if there's fighters out there listening, I want them to understand branding. I want them to understand entertainment. I want them to understand the fight value and training. And it's all these things encompass the one. It's not just sport anymore.

It's literally entertainment. How do we do everything to kind of get ourselves to a position where we can monetize ourselves and our brain and our image outside of just every time we step in the cage we make money well how do we make money outside of the cage how do we make cage how do we make money outside of the cage i mean it's basically this stuff too like moments like this and the pressers because you only get so much time but doing doing this stuff here on the podcast like there's going to be a whole bunch of people

who are going to listen to you and be like oh shit i need to know this to this degree about you the way you the way you're real the way you're able to be vulnerable and share yourself like people are going to connect with you way greater it's that kind of shit that makes people like way, way more popular. 100%. But I want to say something that pissed me off about you. I remember when you you got, was it I was at the apex. Were we at the apex?

You wait for this? No, no. You were waiting for this moment, weren't you? No, no. No, I just, everything for me is completely off the cuff, but there's nothing wrong. But didn't you get like need or some shit and then like, yes. Yeah. By young. Yes. And

I remember because that was one of the very first things we ever went to the apex for. You remember that we saw this live we saw him live do you remember that and that's how you won like you went through like it was a there's a DQ yes you went through a DQ and you won right you're like but they like did they give it to you later or like how did that work what do you mean give it to me like like you didn't really win because he got it won off a DQ well I got I got the belt that night because of disqualification yeah bro you were there you don't remember this but I went to the hospital he was probably Joe so I went to the hospital I got to the hospital I got

a cascan and everyone was saying the cascan came back fine you didn't have a concussion cascans don't show concussions concussions are symptom-based so the fact that i was throwing up later that night that's a fucking concussion that's a fucking concussion oh that you were faking i'm like when i go back and i watch it and i can i understand why people go i can i can see why you're mad at me because it looks like it was my first exposure to you and it was in person what did i say I was like the people who are mad at me They've only ever watched me that first Yon fight And they didn't see any of the other things that I did

On my way up to get to that title shot Yeah, and I saw it in real life Yes, okay, so and I can understand that sense of me I'm like well if you never seen me before You never see me choke out Corey Sanehagen Who's killing everybody right now? Yeah, he is That fight was supposed to be title because so Henness Hey Houdou came champion

He bit Maro Morais and he vacate the birth Yeah And then the next contender was Al Jammai standing and Sanhegan and they were supposed to be forced to title but they give title fight Peterian who beat Urea favor yeah and then they give him title fight and Joseo and then they escape like they they push Aljo to not Aljo and Sanhagan they don't give him fight so and then and after they finally give and all over it okay go from Yeah, so that was most people's first impression of me was that fight.

Yeah. So they didn't get to see anything that I've actually been able to accomplish in a sport. Dude, my record in the UFC is 15 and 4 now. You know what I mean? I've had a shit ton of fights. I beat a shit ton of the top five. I've only had three fights that weren't in the top five or top 15. Beginning, first three.

Like, in the entire career, there's only three of those fights that weren't ranked. You know how crazy that is? Yeah, it's fucking. Look at all these other. the guys and this is why I was saying about Sean is just like yeah dude I'm actually achieving and challenging myself and trying to I mean maybe there's something to be said about hey let's take the easier path of resistance and get there as fast as we can as easy as we can okay cool but in the sense of like when it comes down to the hearsay

book it's like no one can ever challenge or contest anything I've ever done because all the guys I fought was a killers row top five top 10 top 15 title fights whatever so yeah I got knead in the head, whatever. I went back and I watched the table. I'm like, I see myself rolling around on the floor and I'm like, I can see why you're upset. It looks like I'm fucking faking or pretending and then I look back and I wrote my head and it looks like, I'm like, I get why you're mad, but there's no recollection of that.

Whoa, really? There's no recollection of me having that moment and being able to be like, I remember myself doing that. Zero. Zero. I didn't even remember who took me to the hospital when I got back. I found out it was Eric Nixick who came to me to the hospital and when I got to the house all my friends and family that flew out from New York were at the crib in New

you in Vegas that I just bought my house okay can I continue and and then okay can I yeah I will tell the story from there so and then so what happened was so fight was on and Ian need to all you were at the fight no I wasn't because I wasn't able to go and then only corners at COVID still yeah it was COVID so And then, so, and then we see Aljo in the TV, like, of course. So everything, like, Aljo was crying. He don't want to win the belt that way, how we won. And he, he, he takes belt off, throw, drugs.

I was like, fuck this guy. Yes. So, no. Anyways. So, no, he did the right thing. You know, he don't want to win the belt that way. And then, like, Aljo said, you said that after I took the belt off? I was so mad.

Because he's not. Even after I took the belt off? The whole thing was just like, fuck this guy. I'm just saying, after I took the belt off. No, I was a guy like, I thought that. Maybe you weren't going to take it, take it, take it, but then you took it anyways. Well, I'm saying I didn't take the belt that Dana put it on me, and I took the belt off, and you were still saying, fuck this guy. Because I know you had it after the fact.

That's crazy. See, like, I don't know, because you're not a real fighter. You don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, you just. I'll show you a thing or two. Shut the fuck up.

Okay, okay. But anyway, you don't take like a fighter, you know, I don't know. Maybe you're churning, maybe you're strong, but you're not real. You're not fighting in a cage. don't know how it takes true yes so anyways so and then Alja came home like we all said like you know after the hospital yeah and then but like so well when we look Alja's face so he's so sad he's not happy he's still crying he's still like throwing up in the bedroom or whatever and then so all Alja's family friends we are waiting for his house like and then and then come on bro

you happy you're gonna in us what Alja did since fights all well I'll just said I okay let's run this back let's do a rematch and I'll just say, I want to rematch, I'm like, yeah, so anyways, so he's fighting rematch and everything. So, and then we now, we want to Aljo be happy. You know, everybody like, the child just say, how'd you, please be happy, just move on, like, just smile, don't be sad like this. And then his best friend, like telling him, bro, I want you to say that you are champion. And I'll just say, actually, somebody bring the belt. Okay, it's your belt.

And I'll just feel bad, like we, everybody blew out, some people spent money to come, Vegas to support Aljo and now Aljo is sad and like you know this situation everything and then so and then Dennis bring the belt and then so and then they give Aljo to like just let's open this and then I have to help the open the bag to and then and then everybody started taking picture with Aljo to with the belt and I take a picture with I can I saw first I know Aljo wasn't happy about it but because Aljo was give us favor to okay because like because everybody

we came for Aljo and Aljo I don't want to like he okay he take a picture with everybody and then also I'm like oh if everybody takes his picture that I take too and then me I take picture and I posted so some people

put in a story and everything I just no said nobody for Aljo don't tell no one know what you do Aljo never said it post anything I didn't repose anything So, and then when I saw some of his best friends that put this story in the, I saw Instagram, Aljo don't tell them nothing. Because Aljo never tell people what you can do your life, you know? That's who he is, you know?

Yeah. And then, so anyway, I decided to, okay, they might as well, then I have a picture with Aljo. And I take, I post a picture because I said, I'm proud of this guy and, you know, he's going to fight really much and just, you know, like, you know, he's for best of the best. and he's the man I'm just I said just pro because I wanted to Aljo because he was sad and I want to be happy and like a little bit better

and that's why I post but and then there like then the people see this all post and everything and they're talking tweeted and said like I was faking and every yeah I saw it off but you came back that whole thing and okay what happened was let me explain this

and then Aljo you can say sorry but I jump in but so what happened was soon as we post some people put a story and everything so Peter Ian reposted this post and like everybody's everybody started hitting and they started DMing Aljo his family that everybody was talking very bit like very bit and then I'll do like okay you you're talking like this me I don't do anything wrong okay then okay okay yes yes I'm the champion yes because he was gonna fight anyway the Peter

and then I'm gonna show you yeah okay you can call me now we are but everybody forget who what aljo done this division who aljo fought in this division and then everybody just was peter is the new king and everything and so and i'll just and i should have been the champ to begin with in that fucking fight yes me and cori san hagen should have been for the title we were the highest ranked guys but why did that not happen yon got the fight for the vacant title as the sixth rank or seventh rank guy who fought hosea alohus ranked six why is that happening because the UFC is the UFC okay you know what I mean so based on merit we should have been the highest ranked guys fighting for the vacant title we didn't get to fight for the

vacant title you and Sanhagen me and Sanhagen yeah regardless when I won people were saying I was the uncrown champ I got neat in the head and all of a sudden I became the paper champ overnight it was the most fucked up bizarre thing that could have happened where it's just like what parallel paradox am I this paradox universe I'm living in for all this crazy craziness to happen, which almost felt like all at the same time. Yom pulled out of the fight, personal reasons, undisclosed, didn't say why. I get neck surgery and I pulled out of the fight because I needed more time to recover, which I told the UFC to begin with.

And all of a sudden, I became the bad guy, even doubled down all you pull out of the fight, you're afraid to fight. And I was just like, this is the stupidest thing. When people think something, you can't change their minds. They have to want to change it for themselves. Yeah. And that's what I was saying. I've been saying the same stuff.

that I said after the fight with O'Malley, since way back then, it's just people decide to finally listen. And it is what it is, man. It's like, if you want to make me the bad guy, make me the bad guy, I'm going to brace the role, whether it's positive or negative.

And like you said, like you had your image of me after that first Yon fight because of what you thought. Well, like I said, I was throwing up that night. With the O'Malley fight, I ain't throw up in the Malley fight.

I was fine, completely fine. No issue. no headache. Like I said, I was with it. I was, I should have been able to continue in that fight. The fight where I get kneading the head unexpectedly, like didn't see the knee, blindsided, I'm an actor. How does that even make sense? I hear you. You know, but everyone sees what they say, oh, I've seen people get kneading the head and they've continued. Yeah, yeah, they see the strike. I didn't see the strike. I'm thinking I'm in a safe position. I'm relaxing. I'm trying to regain myself. I'm tired. I get kneading head. it got blasted like I hate even even talking about that whole situation because it's so silly and I've proven myself over and over again after that fight absolutely since that 100% so it is

what it is that's the first time I saw you yeah and most people that's their first interaction with me where they they say well I don't rate him because of that and it's just like it's the dumbest thing I'm like so I guess you just discredit all my other wins well before that yeah you discredit the sanagan win the page of munoz win the jimmy river win uh stayman in for Johns when he was undefeated, all these other guys. Dude, I got a killer's resume of the who's-hous-hous of guys who are riding momentum when I beat them. They weren't coming off a loss.

These guys were all winning, winning streaks when I beat them. That speaks volumes. Yeah. And that's what I say is like I hold myself to a higher standard and I took on the toughest challenges, never turned anybody down. Thankfully, I've been able to come out on top more times than I haven't. And sometimes you come out on the other side of things And that's just the way the game goes

So at the end of the day It is what it is And I'm proud of everything I've accomplished And hopefully there's a couple more sunny days than there are rainy days Yeah, it's amazing man Well fuck I appreciate you coming Your fucking class act

You're fucking incredible man And it was cool talking to you in person Getting the vibe You're fucking dope dude And I hope you get that fight again Like I wonder what it would take for you To get to that fight again Yeah we'll see

I mean, I'm not in any rush even, like, even discuss it with the UFC. I mean, I'll let my manager do all that. Yeah. If it happens, it happens. If not, if it's Marab, I'll be there to support regardless. He's helped me all the way to my run. I'll be there for him as well. Yeah.

And if it's for me to go to 45, it's for me to go to 45. Like I said, this weight cut is tough. It ain't the easiest. Would I do it to go back down for a rematch for a redemption? Yeah, I would. But me making a mistake doesn't define my career. And it is what it is, man. I've had way worse things happen to me in my life.

Of course. I think I'm more than comfortable in my own skin. And we'll see what happens, man. I think the future is bright, and there's a lot of good opportunities for me and future fights. Hopefully, it's a mile next. But if it's not, if it's one of these guys at 45, if it's someone else at 35, we'll see. It just has to make sense. I want a fight that excites me.

I want a fight that does something for my career, not just a regular throwaway fight. I'm good on that. But all in all, it is what it is. I just hope people understand my story, and I hope it's relatable to them in any way faster of their life or for their kids or whatever it is, and hopefully they could take something away from it.

And at the end of the day, like I said, life's a marathon, it's not a sprint, and we've got a whole lot more life to live, God willing, inshallah. Hell yeah, I love it, man. You know, subscribe to the channel, post notifications, all that good stuff, drop a review. Damn, we got to start asking the questions to the guests again, man.

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I wasn't good at sprawling. I was very good at scrambling. And people would just call me funky. Ben Ascran had the nickname Funky, so I didn't want to use his nickname. So we tried to come up with a couple of names with my. my roommates in college. They were like, kind of like what happened. What about Funkmaster?

And we was like, all right, let's try that. And it kind of just stuck. And it just worked ever since then. And here I am, Funkmaster, 2023. Yeah, right on. So you got the, what is this here? Funk Harbor. My parents grew up in, my grandparents grew up in Dry Harbor Mountains over in Jamaica.

So Funk Harbor, obviously Jamaican rum has a funk taste. Big up them. So Funk Harbor, parents, grandparents. parents, and that's where they grew up and they had their childhood memories and things like that. So I wanted to give it like a little homage to them and homage to the Jamaican rum. So this should be coming out hopefully sometime in September at the latest October. Stay tuned, funk harbor.com.

And of course, the podcast, the weekly scraps. Yeah. Yeah, you do that every week? I did one today. Man, I've filmed so many podcasts now, man. It's fun. This is the most fun I have. I love doing this stuff.

Yeah. I tried to keep my short though, man. I did like 40 minutes. I like just talk about the fights real quick. I just keep going. I just like to keep going, man. If it's good conversation, it's good conversation, you know? And there's always good content.

If it's, you know, you kind of get the vibe and whatnot. Yeah. Yeah, you've been doing this long enough. How about you have a grappling match? How about what? With who? Well, that's what we were talking about. We're talking about the Demetrius one.

I mean, well, that's what they're saying. Well, that's what they wanted to do. No, that's not what I wanted to do. Dude, that wasn't the whole thing. No, you want to, you want to know what I would love to figure out? I'd love to do MMA versus Logan. That's what I'd love to do. MMA.

Yeah, like I'd like to fight him in a cage. Okay. Cut some weight. Some big guys? Yeah, it's different. That'd be good. I watched the hell out of that. That's what I want to do.

Have you got with before? Yeah, I've done some work on it. You should go against Paul Craig. Who? Paul Craig. Who's that? That's the first one? as a grappler who is that who UFC fighter I have no I have no idea sorry he's a solid

jiu-jitsu guy he he submitted Jamo Hill oh yeah he's 85 now he's in middleweight now he's good yeah he used to fight 205 now he's at middleweight but because you guys are similar build like height-wise I think it'd be a good competitive that's too big challenge for you no no you don't want to be you yeah yeah so something like that you know say like so like so for example like he's a muscle big guy then somebody like maybe real fighter but small guy but of course like a big guy then real fighter then he's big guy no it's doesn't make sense yeah like peyote yon he did one before we were going to fight in our rematch he was grappling with some big brawlett guy and it was saying oh my gosh sterling's in trouble

ah i was like come on dude come on dude there's levels to this dude it's funny though just the visual of it gets people fucking going though They're like, what the fuck? But it's what they don't know what they don't know. So it's like, you see that? And it's like, oh, my gosh, Sterling's in trouble. He did this to this guy. And I grappled him and he couldn't do anything.

It's just like, come on, guys. Even Aljo's videographer, Jake was showing. Aljo, did you see? He showed me that. I was so mad. I was like, Jake, get that shit out my fucking. It's like, seriously, you're going to show me that? And he was like, no, I'm just saying.

I'm like, am I supposed to be worried, please? Let me know if I'm supposed to be worried about him grappling some guy. That doesn't know how to grab him because he's big. Yeah. the way I think it's fair one more one more before we go who who wins KSI or Tommy Tommy Tommy I would I hope Tommy shit the guys actually boxed like for real for real yeah well he beat Jake boxer what what what's that what's that what's that what what does that mean man oh yeah I'm not trying to throw shade oh just talk I don't

throw shade of what's going on with Jake bro what's happening no Jake's good just Jake fights Jake fights Jake fights Jake fights he fights smart Jake fights it's very strategic very smart yeah there's nothing wrong with that he's winning but it's like

come on come on I can go box and do the same thing if I start picking who I want to fight but I'm not about that I want to challenge myself who do you think he should fight that would be a real challenge then I don't know boxes at all just like a boxer who's in his category yeah you think that's it

same age with at least 10 fights. Fair. Because he's athletic. He's young. He's not fighting like he's not an older guy. He's not, it's not training. And he's athletic.

I think that's what it comes down to is like, if you want to go fight some guy who's like some over the hill kind of things, like, come on, dude, come on. So I'm guessing you weren't a fan of the Diaz fight. Not really. I mean, it was fun. It was entertaining, but it was just like, come on.

Like, I'm going to watch it because it's Diaz. he's Diaz who's not going to watch Diaz is the man he's the OG but I think Diaz was really going to win them like he has to gas this guy who's so much younger than him like what are the odds of that very slim to none

yeah it's a tough it's an uphill battle I would have liked to have seen Diaz win because respectfully obviously for MMA just gives us a lot more respect right then someone kind of coming in just picking their fights and this guy

so you think it's strategic it's all of it very strategic Yeah. But it's entertainment. It's all business. There's nothing is like, oh, I'm trying to like accomplish a goal to become the WBO or whatever belts that. Well, he says, though.

He says he wants to be the champ, you know? Does he? I mean, it's what he said. I'm just telling you. I'm not saying it. Yeah. Saying and doing his complete. Listen.

Let him climb the ranks. If he's serious, let Jake climb the rank. And I like Jake. I went on his podcast, super cool dude, super chill. I respect the hell out of him because he's putting himself out there to even do it. But it's like, if you're going to be serious and climb the ranks, it's like, you've got to fight someone that's actually respectable for us to go like, I guess it's also an interesting position though because like having so much popularity, it's like, are you just going to fight a bunch of random box? Even though, but I guess that's what you would have to do if you really want to go in that sport in that vertical. Like if you want to go up that way, you have to fight those guys, right?

But I don't, that's what I'm saying. Like he's fighting. I mean, this guy's on the ladder that he could fight, no? Why does it have to be a whole bunch of like guys that are like past their prime? You see what I'm saying? Yeah, I understand. It's money, obviously. It's, it's entertainment.

But that's what I'm saying. When I hear him speak about it, he speaks very seriously that, like, he's serious about, like, getting to that, like, pinnacle. Then show us. Yeah, didn't do it, right? Then show us. Okay. Go fight someone on the ladder. Yeah.

I'm not saying fight the best guy, because he needs time. I'm not saying go out there and just jump in the deep end, but show us something that's going to be competitive. We could be like, yo, fucking Jake's got serious potential. Yeah. Or Jake's going to be something. Or Jake can be the future chairman. get us really excited about it. Other than that, I'm just watching this, just watch it because it's Jake Paul.

Yeah. And that's cool, too. If that's what you want to do, I'm not knocking it. Yeah, for sure. But I'm never going to take it serious to the point. Like, yeah, this guy's a serious competitor. If you fought like a real boxer who's boxing competitively and on the circuit looking to make a name for himself, that guy, I'm taking more serious all day long.

It's just, it is what it is. It's like if I'm training to fight a guy who's actually looking to be a UFC champion within the UFC who's ranked in the top 10, top five versus, I'm just fighting no names outside the top 15 who I know stylistically I could beat Sharma Molly

Oh no I'm just gonna keep fighting those guys Until I keep building my highlight tape And then hopefully one day I can skip the line You could do that too You can't disrespect my boy like that dog You can do that too You can do that too

Oh God damn it dude Am I wrong Oh bro but he's bro you have come on He's a good fighter No I'm not see don't do that I know, but that's how it feels. I'm not saying, but I'm not saying he's not a good fight. I'm just saying, I'm just saying.

I'm just saying, am I right? Am I wrong, though? Am I wrong? Yeah, but he beat at you, though. Yeah, he did. Fuck, man. Yeah, lightly struck one time. That's good.

I want him to fight you again now so bad and him. I want both you guys to. I hope so. Bro, I'm not the UFC, what you mean? I'm not Dana like that. Dana's my guy, but. Yeah, it's not my, you know. But you know what I mean?

It's just like, yeah, I get it. Like in the sense of Jake, in the sense of like, it's like, if you keep fighting the fights that you know you're going to win, it's like, well, what's the excitement in that other than it's like, you're just trying to entertain the crowd? And I feel like Sean was able to do that to a certain point. And I know he was saying strategically, he was like, why am I going to fight these top ranked guys for the same pay?

And I completely agree with him on that. Unfortunately, for me, they gave me a ranked guy who was ranked six in the world in my third UFC fight. I beat him. I never went back. since then. You see what I'm saying? You see the difference? I understand. And I got the same pay rate. Would I have liked to have fight guys to hold my skills to work on my striking a little bit more? Yes. But that's just not the way my career panned out. And what I'm saying is

compared to Jake Paul, if he's serious, then I feel eventually he has to fight someone that's kind of worth something for people to kind of be like, all right, now we really give you some cred in the boxing world. Maybe you need face tattoos. You know, I'm thinking about it. think about it that'll that'll just change the game before you you know i'm thinking about putting six nine no you're fuck or nine six go backwards you stupid oh my god dude all right that's it i appreciate you boys you guys are fucking awesome thank you for coming on thank you for um yeah if you ever want to losing a street fight you know where to hit find me i'm out here i love you guys yeah let's do it thank you that was fucking awesome