RAWTALK - Amber Rose on Endorsing Trump, Relationships w/ Kanye West & Wiz Khalifa and Leaving Feminism Behind

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

On this weeks episode of RAW TALK, Brad sits down with Amber Rose and talks on her past relationships with Ye & Wiz, why she regrets slutwalk, the secret to staying relevant & much more! Hope you guys enjoy, see you next Tuesday!Sponsored By: SeatGeekUse code RAWTALK for 10% off your next SeatGeek order: https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/RAWTALK Sponsored by SeatGeek. *Restrictions apply. Max $25 discountSponsored By: Huel Get Huel today with this exclusive offer of 15% OFF + a FREE Gift!at Https://www.huel.com/rawtalk #ad #huelpartner

Man, this is crazy. I've never sat over here on my own pod. Yo, that's funny. We both have the same side thing, huh? Crazy. Fuck. Thank you for being such a gentleman and giving me your seat. Of course.

It's all good. Do you like that seat? I do. I feel like I'm in control. I feel like you're in charge of this fucking interview now. I feel like you got to interview me. Well, man, I guess, I guess kind of like where I want to start really is just like what I find so interesting about you, obviously you're still making content.

You're still like in this sort of like industry and space. But you came up in a time when this whole internet shit was not at all what it is. Totally. Completely, completely different. Yeah. What did you like when you. first started were you trying to be in like that like celebrity space or like how did you find yourself like getting there it was all by accident yeah i swear it was like i didn't talk for like

two years people thought i was Swedish they didn't even know what my voice sounded like and then this was at a time excuse me when paris hilton was still like drawing cum on people's faces and shit yeah you know and then he came out with like that anti-bulley campaign he did and everyone was like you're a fucking hypocrite but um yeah it was just like blogs and stuff and then i think Twitter came out and uh i asked Nikki Minaj because like I didn't have Twitter for like two years and she was like already popping on Twitter but I was like popping in like the blog world which is then it was related to what the hip-hop scene kind of yeah I mean it was entertainment I mean it was

still like people magazine you know still like tabloidish but how did you get there you know what I'm saying like how are you even because not everyone just like yeah I'm just in tabloids well I've I started dating Kanye West yeah and I was just a regular girl um and then it just kind of blew up from there but I used to be like bro I'm not famous why are you guys following me yeah you're following me because I'm his girlfriend, but this is weird. Yeah. And mind you, people would just, they would think that I wanted that or I love that. I fucking hated it.

I was just like, this is so weird. But I was the first girlfriend turned famous. There was no other girls before me that happened to. So now there's a bunch of like little famous girls that have like, you know, rapper baby daddies or athlete baby daddy. And like people care. But I was the first. one that just like popped up out of nowhere and so prior to to date like how did you how do you end dating Kanye like how does that even you just I flew out to do a music video yeah which one uh

robocop okay from 808s and heartbreak uh I flew out to do a music video and honestly we just like low key fell in love like at first sight or it was like just like just the energy out we just hung out for like a week or two talking about how the you know very professional it's a very professional setting but talked about what the video was going to be like and I had to get fitted for like

the robot outfit and we just kind of just I don't know just didn't want to leave each other do you do you think it was because you did I mean I mean I don't obviously I don't know about the relationship at all like more than what you're telling me

but were you did you want to be that lifestyle like was that just like no i didn't even think about it i i didn't here's the thing when you're so young and so green you're like okay he's famous i'm his girlfriend but this is his world i'm just in his world but what happened was it became my world by accident yeah because i don't know if you can i can't think of any other celebrity girlfriend that no one knew And then she just became famous just off her look alone. Yeah, I mean, at that time, no. I mean, it's like, would have been like the, I mean, the one who's done it all would

be the Kim Kardashian after the Ray J thing. Yeah, but she already had a famous father. Yeah. She already had. Out of the blue. I see what you're saying. I came from absolutely nothing. Yeah.

Out of like full obscurity. And then all of a sudden paparazzi is following me. What was your life like prior to all that? I was living in the projects in the Bronx. Yeah. I was a regular girl. I was loved. I had friends.

I've always been cool as shit. Always had a cool personality. But I was just a normal regular girl. Did you start a sex work when you were 15? Is that true? I never did sex work. Never did sex work? No.

Just like in the clubs? Just dancing. Yeah. But at that age? That was the first time I did it. Yeah, I was homeless with my mom. And you were just like, got to get money. Well, I tried to sell crack.

That didn't work that well. Wow, yeah. That seems. Yeah, I did that for like two hours. You know. The crack for two hours. Yeah, I sold crack for like two hours. And that didn't worry.

That just wasn't your vibe. I was too scared. Yeah, that makes sense. So then I'm like, oh, let me maybe go show my tits and make some money. But I was very young. I was scared of that, too. Because at that time, I mean, I had never, I've never even thought about it. How does that work, though?

They weren't like, what should, did you show them like a fake ID? Yeah, of course. Okay. Yeah. But, you know, I mean, in all seriousness, when you are in survival mode, when you come from poverty in that way, you don't think of it as I want to go show my body to men. You're like, I want to eat something tonight. I want to get my mom an apartment, you know, so when I became famous and people asked me

about my story and I told them that I was a dancer. answer, it backfired on me because then they're like, she's a whore. Why would he want to be with her? And I'm like, you guys don't even know my story. Like, those weren't my dreams and aspirations as a child. Yeah. I, you know, I wanted to be an epidemiologist. And I wanted to like, that's a lot. I didn't see that coming. It's because people don't know me, Brad. Yeah. They don't know me. They assume. They assume things about me. What made you interested in being an epidemiologist. I was obsessed with HIV and AIDS. When you were a

child? Yes. In the 90s, I was obsessed. I wanted to be like Dr. Fauci. My favorite movie was Outbreak. Not now, though. Not that kind of not. That motherfucker sucks. Back in the day, yeah. Yeah, I see. Like, my favorite movie was Outbreak was a good fucking movie. Fucking amazing movie.

Can you imagine, dude? I'm like a fucking young girl and I'm watching Outbreak all day. I'm obsessed. It's just weird. It's like most girls don't think. I guess they're not thinking like that. This is why I have all male friends. I talk about religion, infectious diseases, and politics. What got you into politics?

Girls are like, get this bitch away from me. What got you into politics? I just, I don't know. It's so cancer. It's so fucking, I like it too. And it's like one of the things I can't look away from and people just argue. But it's gotten so crazy nowadays.

It's like, I swear just like literally an hour ago, I'm texting my mom. She's texting me all this crazy shit. She's, you know, she's a little more, a lot more liberal than I would consider myself. And, you know, I just, she's like 60-7. And I'm like, why are you so, why does this sway your life so much? Yeah. Like it just seems like, you know, obviously everyone wants, you know, hopefully Americans want America to be better, no matter what.

But for some reason, it's just like we're in this divided. We have to hate the other side, no matter what period, sort of we're in. it just seems it seems like it's just a never in need cycle like it's not going to go in the direction we truly wanted to because it just seems like it's a measuring game of who has more power and i guess that's what politics are it is i mean it really is like religion in a lot of ways you have to just have faith in the person that you voted for yeah that's all you can do if they fuck up you voted for them it's on you you know what i mean but you have to just hope for the best and expect the worst why why why

Because in 2016, you weren't really a fan of Donald Trump. Why did you switch your viewpoint? Oh, man. I was a super feminist liberal. Yeah. And I think that's because I was brainwashed living in L.A. Thought I was doing the right thing. I used to tell people I was pansexual, knowing that I only wanted to dick.

I only wanted to be with a man. I was definitely very hetero. Why did you say that then? I just felt like it was the politically correct. thing to say because I had been brainwashed living in LA and I'm very open and honest about this. I think to say that you're pansexual is to say like I can love anybody at any time if you're a good person. Cool. Nothing wrong with that, right? Who am I to judge? But I was being a hypocrite because I wasn't living that life. Right. I knew ultimately I did not want to be

the trans person romantically or a woman romantically um and me identifying as that was just me trying to say that i'm all inclusive and i'm for everyone yeah i just wonder why that whole thing got so like what you're talking about the virtue signal of like you should say this this is the right thing to say right i just wonder where the fuck did that even come from like because i don't remember when i was a child like we never had any conversation they weren't even talking about this shit on the internet. It was not a thing. Not the internet, the television at the time. Mm-hmm. And then it just, I don't know, around social media. Well, you're at my age, right? I'm 35. Okay. Yeah. So I'm, I'm pretty sure I'm close,

but it's like there was just a weird, like, there was a weird shift. And I don't know exactly what time it was where it did, everything became like, oh, you can't say this, you can't say that, you should say this. And then even Hollywood and everyone adopted that sort of mentality about like oh I have to say the right things like I'll never forget like I know some people in the industry like a list celebrities who are like on the low being like oh I don't I don't really fuck with this president I don't really fuck with this like direction but like I have to say congrats and I'm happy otherwise like my fan base will like attack me for not agreeing with it but that's like the weirdest shit like it's the weirdest shit well because of cancel culture

right yeah but I was just I just did another interview with a friend and And I was telling him, like, the best thing you can do is get canceled. It is the best thing because once you get canceled and you stand 10 toes down on whatever the fuck you got canceled for, you are now truly free. Yeah. That's real freedom. It's such a weird thing. Like, there's just obviously even today, there's certain topics like we discuss.

I know that like I'll even avoid certain topics where I'm like, I know this is a, this is a pain point. And people still just like Don't want you to talk about it It's just it's fucked Like what? Let's talk about it Oh man Let's talk about it This one

No this one I mean Let's shake it up a little bit It's I mean Okay listen we can go back to that conversation A little bit about Kanye But like have you seen recently what he was doing on Twitter Yes So like that sort of stuff

The stuff where oh if anyone says this It's like you should be afraid You should be scared Do you want to know how I feel about that? Yeah, of course. Okay, I will say that no one has to agree, right? Yeah. But the one thing that we can agree on is that we have freedom of speech in America. And it is also not illegal to say racist things towards another group of people. As long as you're not actively hurting those people or inciting violence, obviously. Or inciting violence and stuff like that. You can

pretty much say whatever you want. Now, I think the conversation, gets murky when it comes to him because he's so influential yeah that people think okay you're kind of you're moving the needle a little bit because of your voice and you're making it difficult for people like us so i i see all the different arguments online yeah you know but he does have freedom of speech ultimately especially on x yeah i i just i'll never understand why like i i fully get why people don't want people to say sort of negative things about other people because like if you know if they're of that class or of that person or of that whatever color religion you you feel some type of way but at the end of the day it should just be like

if someone's saying some crazy wild shit or if it's dumb that the uh the viewership or the audience or the the people listening would be able to make their own assumption to that but i think that's where it gets murky for people and i think that's why sometimes people try to protect certain groups of people or they try to protect things because i don't know i guess the general understanding is that most people i hate to say this but are just like followers and like they just won't figure out okay maybe i'll look at this and look at it from you know to both sides instead of just one side and try to really understand it or it's crazy and then of you know go on to the next thing or focus on the next thing but i think the thing that we have a real big problem with especially

because of social media is just like the i guess it kind of goes back to like groups of friends where you know if you hung out with five people all the time you kind of become like those people right and it's very rare that a person will stand out and like be like wait this isn't for me they kind of just go with the crowd or go with whatever said and i think that's why i can create sort of like uncomfortable situations but i just wish more people were apt to actually think about things instead of just go i saw it so it's true or i think this because that person thinks that's it's outrage that's what really pisses me off yeah because it's like do you guys really care what Kanye's saying on X do you really give a fuck are you losing sleep over it no one really gives

a fuck yeah they well they just like to talk they just they want if they want to be like oh my god he said that I'm outraged and this is not me standing enough for Kanye because I don't agree with the shit that he says right but at the same time you really don't give a fuck Like no one really ultimately gives a fuck What he says or what anybody says on Twitter You know how many times that they call me Gold Dust The fucking wrestler with the bald head and shit I mean they call me Mr. Clean

They call me fucking I get that too It's just you just laugh at it You don't go home and cry and lose sleep Yeah I think it's different though Because you talk about like you're relating it to yourself And to me or to like Kanye The people who are like in the space

Or have been in the space and have the thicker skin because they're used to the criticism. Yeah. So it's like, it's different like a quote unquote normal person. Obviously we're all normal people, but someone who isn't used to that sort of reaction and they're more so trying to get reactions from people. I think like it's just social media has created like a really weird space for that sort of.

I mean, if you look on X, you'll see people saying the hard R, right? Yeah. That's a recent thing. That's like the last two years. But like no one really kid because you know they're trying to get, they want to troll. they want to say the hard are so people can just be like why would you say that and they just they get more followers it's all bullshit no one ultimately really cares yeah and that's the that's weird thing but i don't think people really do you think people listening or watching or viewing

like the audience do you think they get that yes i think they don't really care i think that they want to be they want this fake outrage so they can give validation from other people see the reason why I would agree, but the reason why I don't agree, rather, is because, like, I'll have conversations with my mom who will literally see tweets or things or news articles, and she's like 65 years old. And she's like, this is so bad. This person is so, like, I'll have people in my podcast, or people that have done podcasts with. Myron's a good example or Tate's a good example I've spoken to. And like, she'll see a clip, an old clip and be like, I can't believe you interviewed it. It's like, what? But that's a real person. My mother being like, why would

you do this because I saw this and that. Well, I think the older generation, I understand that. I'm talking about people actively on X or social media. I get it. You don't think they really care. No. Yeah, I see what you're saying. I don't think they really care. But there are groups of people who see it and they go, they take it for like face value and they go, this is so bad. Yeah, my mom is the same thing. But okay. But also do you think your mom really gives a shit, like it's affecting her life, Or do you think she's just having conversations with you because she's a bit appalled about the things that you talk about? No, I think she really gives a shit

because I literally have to text you like, yo, why don't you just focus on your real life? Like, I'm literally texting her this shit. I'm not even kidding. I swear to you, like, I couldn't believe I had to have this conversation with my mom. Like, mom, calm down. It's okay. Yo, like, I'm not kidding.

Look, look. Like, you can see this. Mm-hmm. Like, go on, look at this. Like this kind of shit. Oh my God. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And so I'm just, and I'm just like, yo, just like, that's tough. Yeah.

It's, it's rough. Yeah. So obviously there are real people that are like seeing stuff and they're, they're making it like, they're embodying it somehow, which is like, what are you doing? That's very interesting. And I could say, I could say like disconnect, but it's easy for me to disconnect because I'm in this. I've been on the internet for so many years. So it's easy for me to go, oh, this is just the internet. Yeah, exactly. I feel what you're saying, though. And maybe you're right. Maybe we're just desensitized. Like it's just, I feel nothing. Yeah. I don't know. that's a whole other problem i feel absolutely nothing fuck it's crazy like you can you can say whatever you want about me i i just i feel nothing when when when so so is there something that makes you feel something now no not much fuck well so i'm so numb and sad sad i'm trying to picture kanya like like just like tweeting these things like do you think he's like laughing to himself as

he's doing this yes 100% he's like Yo, he thinks it's fucking hilarious. Well, it looked like, at one point, it looked like... I mean, again, I don't know Kanye anymore. Right. I was within two years, I guess, 14, 13, 13 years ago. Yeah. So, I mean, people change a lot in that time.

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I don't know. You gotta ask him. Man, that's such a great song. That's what people say. It's one of the best songs. Yeah, you're welcome. Yeah, that's fucking, wow. Such a good song.

So, wait, but in the song, he talks about sending, sending pictures of his dick to someone. Does you, like, is this you ever catching him? Is it, am I going too far here? No, it's just, you know, um. Well, did you ever catch him doing that? Don't we catch them all. okay fair such a great song wow wow yeah wow wow i wonder if you inspired any other ones any other songs yeah sure i'm sure i did it's so god it's such a funny we had a conversation

i think we went to like one of the chet's like i think it was like a birthday or something yeah it was chet's birthday party i was like weirdly i kind of told you a story how i was like weirdly in that space before i ever should have been in that space like the whole like entertainment entertainment industry thing back around the time it's a Twitter ironically um I remember I was dating this girl who was like involved with like these like comedians at the time and um I guess the reason I'm saying this is just such a oh yes I remember yeah yeah um it was just such a weird it was such a weird time for me because I was never like a part of any of that kind of stuff um but to see how it's sort of all evolved now to this like you know the podcast or the just people saying

it to a different degree on the internet but what's your take on sort of the evolution of social media being that you are part of that industry in a way before there was any real like ways to be in there unless you were like invited on a set or on a music video like now that industry particularly from what you see is it completely different or is this they're just hitting up girls on Instagram now and like come to come to videos or oh god the video world i have no idea what that is um anymore i will say i feel like i was the last i came late in the video game where the video vixen's weren't as famous as like um what are the girls what the video vixen what's her name Melissa ford and all them like I came after them yeah you know

but now i feel like just a bunch of raggedy bitches in is that interesting it seems to be like like It's sort of, I don't know, maybe just, the celebrityism in general is just kind of like dying out. People are more like... Yeah, I feel like all... So, like, back in the day, like, all the strippers were like gorgeous, right? But then now they're on OnlyFans. So they're home, like, taking care of their kids and like just giving the content, right? So you don't see them out anymore or they're wiped up, right?

So now you got like just the stragglers left to do the music videos. Stranglers. Do you still do OF? I do. You do? I do. Yeah. I just started back maybe like last like two weeks ago do you do you enjoy doing that kind of

stuff well okay so I do it different now so before during the pandemic I was like showing my tits and stuff okay because I was like I made a couple million dollars it was easy okay what's the most you ever made in a month I made a lot of money I made a lot of money like more like more than I'll just give you over under more than three mill yes Oh, wow. Well, congrats. Yeah. Could I borrow 50 bucks?

Yeah. I got you on 50 bucks, well. Thank you. I got you. Oh, wow. But, yes, but now I don't do that anymore. No tits. No tits.

Okay. No tits. No ass. No, none of that. Did you be about a cook or what? No, I do, I still do like, I still do like sexy stuff, but it's in like pajamas or like just cute stuff. But my kids are getting older and, you know, I just, you know, someone, I want to get those scrub from the internet, those other pictures.

I want to get them off. Yeah. I feel like you can't. I feel like there's Reddit just won't let that happen. Fuck, it's Reddit, bro. They will not let that happen. God damn, Reddit. Some will keep that on an archive and then as soon as it's gone, I'm going to put it right back up.

They're going to put it back up. Yeah. Well, maybe I can get most of them off. But, yeah, I don't know. And honestly, my boys, they're like my best friends. They wouldn't. My kids honestly wouldn't give a shit later in life. They'll be like, bro.

I don't do you think do you think though I mean your situation is probably unique on that I mean it's you've been so much in it for so long that it's probably easier for them to just like this is bullshit yeah they know they know that they know that it's entertainment versus who their mom really they know their mom obviously yeah do you know about the lily phillips thing no okay the girl who's like up with a hundred guys or some shit oh yes okay so you know about that do you think something like name sorry you know you're good do you think something like that though you could like get past what do you mean get past

like will that ever leave you like if she was like I'm gonna try she she she should man will marry her yes yeah for sure for sure some man is gonna marry her give her a kid in a family and she'll be fine yeah so you don't think I've never done porn I've never did I've never done anything like that I was a dancer yeah so when my nudes got leaked to the internet years ago, I was like, there's titties.

I don't know, maybe I am desensitized. Well, no, I mean, that is kind of whatever. I just feel like, you see one pair of tits, you've seen them all. Like, who really cares about tities, you know? A lot of people like tities, but I'm not trying to underplayed tities. People like that. I get it.

You know, I guess what you're saying? I'm just saying it's not a vagina. Right. Or an asshole. Yeah, it's not a sex scene. It's not a sex scene. It's not a sex scene. It's not porn. It's like, here's a little tit.

Right. Give me money. fuck you started the whole like the whole like slut walk thing right yeah is that not something you're proud of now or what no it is not what what changed i'm just not a raging liberal feminist anymore so you think that that was just born out of like the fact that you thought you it should be okay because people made you feel like it just just be okay well i think that people didn't understand that most of the time when women do this they either have some type of trauma like your friend the girl you just mentioned.

Yeah. Or they're just in survival mode and that's all they know. But she was convinced she has no trauma. Her family's great and they think it's amazing what she's doing. To each his own. I'm just saying, no, I don't necessarily believe that. Okay, I'll even go a step further, right? Yeah.

There's the reason why, I can't believe I'm saying this, the reason why porn stars are inspiring in a way. Okay. is because they fully live out their fantasies, right? A girl like me, whatever's up here in my minds, and I think about, damn, I wish I could do something, maybe not like that, but whatever I think about, right? Nine out of ten, I'm never going to do it in my life.

I'm never even going to try it because, one, I won't feel safe. I don't know people like that. and I just feel like I would feel bad about myself after. That's just how I am. That's how I'm built. If I were to do anything like that, I would feel really bad about myself. It would be hard to sleep at night. But you think there's some aspirational nature to that?

I think the only aspirational part to it is that this is something that she's not forced into, maybe her all-time fantasy, and she's following through with it and she's making money. now I'm not saying that to say it's aspirational as in people should do it as well but I'm saying for her personally she says she comes from a good family

and that's just something she wanted to fulfill I like I know how much I made off showing my tits literally pulling a bra down not even all the way off and then going like this and I made a couple million dollars from that

for which I don't know what the fuck she i hope she made like 60 70 million dollars i don't think so but she probably made some good she'd probably making more money you know after because so many people started talking about it or like what the fuck some other girl come out being like i'm gonna see with a thousand dudes some other girl's like what the fuck are we what are we what are we one up in here's just i don't know but that's the thing that i'm interested in is like that's like where where are we going with this like how is that the aspirational like you know if you can't that is not aspirational i'm saying to follow your dreams

it's aspirational that's all I'm saying I get it to follow your fantasy dreams but that's the thing is like you know this is a good example is the other girl comes out and she's like I'm gonna sleep with a thousand guys and there's like this weird sex work beef and it's like I think I saw that

like what are we what are we like where are we going with this as a society is like I'll sleep with 2000 now yeah like that's like that's now the goal it's like fuck being a nurse or fuck fuck doing something that's like sort of adding to society in my opinion

but it's also like why why would why why why ad why be a nurse if you can be if you can go on only fans and make five million dollars I know that's the that's the hard part about social media and no one again going back to the fake outrage people want to be like

well why aren't girls nurses and shit anymore why the fuck would they be you know what I'm saying pay a nurse that much pay a doctor that much and then maybe you'll have more people that want to pursue their dreams but ultimately especially if you have children and shit like yeah i think for me the conversation always comes back to like doing something good like for other people but i guess most people

don't think they just think about money something good for other people as far as what like just if we're talking about in this sense right being let's say it's a nurse yeah she's obviously they're making money less than a you know a sex worker only fans whatever but they are doing good for other people like they pick the job that is helping other people like that sense of uh just i don't know accomplishment or like purpose i think if if a grown only fans right or a stripper or she's making $300,000 a month or even a year right and she's taking care of her family it's equivalent to the same thing you're talking about the purpose within within for your family right yeah but then you know she pulls out a 7-11 and she can she can give out a thousand dollars to a homeless

guy easy like it's nothing here go have a good time bro yeah i see so it just depends on how you look at life you know it's not for everybody i i wish i i don't feel like um i've been blessed i made a lot of money in my life i feel like with only fans now it's just another revenue that's just coming into my household because it's just hey i got to go do a podcast today you guys like come and check it out blah blah blah and then i'm i'm putting that on only fans and they're just getting a look into my life that i don't put on uh instagram right well yeah i mean that's the the interesting thing about only fans is it started as i think originally it was going to be like a fitness sort of centered app where people were just going to put their workouts that you can

come purchase and then it evolved into this whole like you know sex work fucking yeah for sure and I think it does have a stigma behind it, but a lot of people on OnlyFans are not doing porn. I've never done porn in my life ever. Even when I was just showing my boobs or like sexy pictures and stuff, I didn't do it with other people. It was just me. Yeah. You know? You would never have done it.

No, it's just not my thing. Even when you were like slut walk, Amber Rose. No. Well, you know, my slut walk was for rape victims, sexual assault victims, and victims. of domestic violence. How does that tie to the slut walk? Well, so a woman was raped on a college campus. And the police officer said, if you weren't dressed like a slut, you probably wouldn't

have gotten raped. And that's how it all started where we're like, yo, we can wear whatever we want. Well, I can dress however I want. That's not an invitation for you to come and rape me. So the message behind it was very positive. What it turned into was like, hey, Amber, I was fucking with this dude, and I gave him a, I showed him a pregnancy test, but I'm really not pregnant.

And he gave me money for an abortion. And I start hearing those stories. Yo, what the fuck? And I'm like, you bitches are fucking nuts. Yeah. And then I start being like, this whole time, I'm thinking men ain't shit. You bitches ain't. So, Myron, I know Myron, he don't like me.

He don't let Andrew Tate because I tried to follow him. let me follow him. He don't like you either. I don't think they like me because, you know, I was a raging feminist before and I get it. But I actually agree with so much stuff that they say now because, I mean, it's true. And that's not to say, I used to say men ain't shit. Yeah. But really, if you want to talk about for real equality, men and women ain't shit. Both of both of us ain't shit.

Yeah. Well, what is so, what it was so different that you recognized about women being like? like more malicious with their intent? Women will trap a man with a baby. They'll extort a man for money. And I'm not like that. I'm not like that at all. But like I was looking at women how I look at myself, right?

Instead of like stepping out and being like, because I told you from the beginning of when we first started talking, I always hang out with guys. So I don't really get to know women in a lot of ways because I'm always like with the boys, you know? Even when we had dinner that night with Chet. I mean, it was a sausage party, was it not? Yeah.

It was all men. It was like me and one other girl. Right. Because I'm cool with all the boys is how I am. Yeah. I'm just going to see that mean with the hot dogs. Yeah, exactly. Throwing at my face.

Yeah. But I'm just, that's just how I am. So even growing up, you were more, you were more friendly with men? Always. And all the girls wanted to fight me because all their boyfriends. So this is a good question. Do you think men and women? could be friends truly I'm friends with a bunch of men yes me and you are friends true I like to feel

like we're friends yes you know I'm friends with Chet I'm friends with Max I've never had any sexual nothing none of us yeah but I'm cool and I can always just be like yo what you doing yo where you at you're going to Avra tonight yo you want to step out like maybe this is like another thing where like you're you maybe a little bit different do you think men and women in general if you kind of look at it, take a step back. Do you think he can just be friends? You know you can because you have that ability because where you're at. Women can in general.

I think that men in the back of their mind will always fuck their girlfriend. Yeah. But as long as you keep that boundary, you shouldn't be able to. Like, Chet wants to fuck me so bad. Like, he wants to fuck me so. Chet, you want to fuck me so bad. This is so funny because. But that's my friend though.

Bro, I love Chet. It's so funny because what I know about Chet is like, that's probably a true state. It's like, I don't even know if I should be saying that, but fuck it. I don't care. I love Chuck. No, that's my dog. Yeah, no, he's a great dude. If I was like laid on my back in a bed, he would fuck me for 100%.

Yeah. Yeah, I think so, sorry, Jack. He for sure would. I think you would. Yeah, 100%. 100%. Um, fuck. But, but like, you see why there's that, that conversation around that because it's just like,

like you said, if the guy's given that opportunity, he's probably going to do that. And I think that's why men are like, no, they can't be friends. I don't think in most cases, like, I can be friends with a girl in, like, very specific cases, but majority of the times I don't see men trying to just be friends with girls. Yeah, not actively trying, I don't think, but I think it does happen over time. It has happened to me over time, you know. Yeah. Going back to the way you were dressing and sort of your people's reaction to it, do you think

that the girls just wear whatever they want in any situation? you know like people have like going back to like the tate stuff people talk about what girls wear and how they present themselves do you think like it should just be a whatever i want to wear whenever do you still feel that way so so there's two sides to that right it's like if a girl has a little dress on and she goes to the club right does that mean that she should be raped no obviously i don't think anyone should i know i know you're going to say no to that but i'm just giving you an example right should she be raped the answer is no fuck no right so that's where the argument comes in regardless of what i have on should i be disrespected should i be raped should i be sexually assaulted

should i be groped right so the guy like the myrons and the tates of the world the andrew tates of the world you know they'll be like well if you want respect you need to dress like this you need to i also understand that side as well yeah you know it really for for me i don't get overly outraged on stupid shit semantics that just don't even fucking matter right yeah at the end of the day if i'm out and it's late at night and i do see a girl that's you know dressed in a in a very small outfit i would be more concerned for her um but in the same token you know again it's not an invitation to go sexually assault her because of what she has on maybe just give her a little bit more attention because she's giving that attention off but then you got to think like the

Muslims the Muslims in the Middle East I mean they don't even show their eyes half the time and they're getting raped left and right yeah I obviously can't speak to that I don't know enough about they're getting raped constantly in the Middle East those women you know and they're fully covered so look I think at some point we need to like tell men regardless even if you feel like this animalistic instinct to go touch a woman because you feel like her ass cheeks are out or whatever it's control yourself bro well i mean if i'm talking about this conversation i don't even think i don't even understand why it's such a it's not that big of a deal not not obviously rape is a massive deal no yeah i don't like it's whatever it's just like i guess at the end

of the day it's more so like you know if i'm mire and or tate like if it's my girl and she's doing this and then i feel some sort of way about it maybe just say it right but to say it out like so that everyone has to sort of like fall in line to this sort of thing. It's too complicated of a thing. It is. Yeah. Like I understand why people talk about that kind of stuff just because people like to, they like to know,

they like to know the responses to the reactions of what people think. But at the end of the day, all that shit just kind of becomes like click bait for the fucking internet. Right. Even the reason why I asked you the question because I knew that it'd be like, people, oh, what is she going to say? Yeah. You know?

It's weird. But that, that is a weird thing how like the internet has gotten to that point where everything just seems to be like, rage bait total rage bait yeah and I'm even curious like how much of it I keep talking about this on my podcast but this whole like dead internet theory about like

how basically whoever's controlling or wants to control things like creating discourse creating like division through like you know pain bought accounts to say certain things people to say certain shit like because I'll get on Twitter sometimes I'm like is this a real person saying this

like someone just say like the craziest shit But then I also go, maybe it's a real person because, like, they just wanted to get views. Right. So it's like we're in this weird space of like everyone trying to, I don't know, one up each other or to get attention. Yeah. That people say fucking anything. Well, I saw this video. It was this guy.

He went to a Christian college. And he went there as an atheist. And he had a debate. It was him and all the students. And he was debating the students. the students as an atheist and was chewing them the fuck up like just i mean killing it right and then at the end he was like just kidding i'm a christian just like you guys right and everybody was like dude what the fuck why did you do that you literally argued that god doesn't exist

for like two hours at a christian university to do what to it was just that's the rage base shit i'm talking about. It's just like just the craziest shit where you like, I mean, that probably has like a billion views. I'll send it to you. Yeah, send it to me. Yeah, when I've offered it. But it's just, it's, it's, it is weird. We've definitely got to a place where everyone is just competing for viewership or likes or like validation in a sense. Yeah. Do you think that ever, I'm actually really curious where this goes with like AI and all this kind of shit. Like how does it how does this shit start to really affect people like on a day to day. I think that AI is just going to get sick. It's going to get worse. Because now we can still tell us AI. It's still like in the beginning stages. We're like, man, that big ass octopus is a

fucking AI. Oh, you're talking about it. Yeah, yeah. You know, I see that shit. You know, like the sea creatures and shit. I'm like, yeah. It's not real. Yeah. But for a second, you'd be like, damn, is that like a giant squid? Like, this is crazy. Yeah. But then you'll see a little glitchiness in it. And then you'll be like, okay, this shit is. But it's definitely going to get to point where it's just you can't even tell the different it's going to be like us talking like the end but it's not us and so that goes back to this idea i was talking about the whole dead internet there where it's like you can just create sort of whatever discourse you want to create and if it gets to that level then it's like if you have all the money you can buy the accounts promote the accounts it likes views and make

it look like something that's not actually there people arguing about things that aren't actually real and that's fucking scary that's scary is shit it's really weird because i know motherfuckers hate me they'll do it to me is so quick they can't wait to do it to me what do you think what do the what do do you think people hate most about you I don't know I'm a sweetheart I'm a sweetheart right because you have a tattoo on your head that's what they hate I don't know that's my kids yeah I know it's crazy I look fucking cool like well you got that when you how old were you when you got that tie a couple years ago you were just like fuck it yeah who gives the shit I'm gonna die no one's gonna give a fuck yeah that is the weird thing about life who gives a fuck who gives a fuck

in a hundred years no one's going to give a fuck about us our great great grandkids are they're not going to sit at home and cry that we're dead just have fun but so but do you think there's a line though like have fun because like you could take that viewpoint like take it really far and then it means like who cares about anything about anyone about anything oh I'm saying if you want to get a tattoo on your face oh yeah no no yeah I'm not saying to go jump off the bird's caliphah and yeah hope for the best because you're going to die you're going to die yeah but I mean just that that that idea in general it seems like we're getting pushed closer and closer to like does this shit matter so then my question to you is what do you think really matters um people that love you

that genuinely love you your children if you have children um and i say people that love you that's not necessarily your blood family either yeah you know a lot of us have created family outside of our family and um yeah i think that's the shit that really matters but ultimately i guess what i'm thing is as far as like you know comments on Instagram or like people talking shit on social media or crazy tweets and shit yeah just like I don't like I don't I don't like your hat your hat is ugly you know it's like don't lose sleep your hat's not ugly but um I'm just saying like just little shit people try to pick people apart um and some people they really lose their mind over that none of that shit matters yeah it's just like how do you get people to to recognize that to

actually understand that you got to learn how to shake shit off i don't know how to teach that to anybody but to really shake shit off is an art was there a time when in your life where you found it way harder to do that because i'm assuming like a way harder no i'm just trying to think like when you were when you first got into the space the whole conier thing you're getting popular People obviously say whatever the fuck Or put you in a tabloid at the time It would have been the thing Yeah

You know you read it You see it at the time You still as this doesn't matter As you are now Or did that change as you got older Well I'll tell you If it was about me I really didn't give a fuck

But back then It was like media takeout And Perez Hilton Even MTV at the time They would literally Just pull stories out of their asses That nothing like no

they didn't check anybody they didn't fact check anything or they literally just had a slow news day and they'll just make up anything and they'll talk about like my family or my mom or just it's just something crazy

that's when I would get pissed yeah that's when I would fucking when they talk about my children that's when I'll pull up to their house with a fucking with a fucking machine gun and go crazy and be in jail. How did you meet WIS? But me all day, I don't care.

I get you. How did you meet Wiz? Wiz did an interview on DJ Who Kidd in fucking 2010. It's like right before you blew up, right? Or was he blown up then?

I think it was before, right before. Yeah, that sounds right before. And he was like, if you could be one girl in the world who would it be? And he said Amber Rose. I just love Amber Rose. So I'm like, oh, look at this cute little, like, young guy, you know, whatever, because I was like three, four years older than him.

Yeah. And didn't even think nothing of it, but I had my own sunglasses line out at the time. So I forget how we got untouched. Maybe it was like a DM through Twitter or something. And I was like, hey, I appreciate the shout out. I would love to send you a pair of glasses, you know, just being gracious that he, said something nice about me and he was like well i'm in pittsburgh right now but i'm coming to la tomorrow you could just give it to me in person and i said okay i see what you're doing okay

so i met up with him and i gave it to him in person and he just like blew me away in what sense just his personality just his personality his smile his laugh just how funny he was attentive just sweet, loving, just like... Yeah, he was putting it on. What the fuck? Oh, my God. It was just, you know what? And maybe after three months, I was like,

I'm going to marry this motherfucker. I'm going to give him babies. I'm just, he can have whatever he wants. And we did, and we got married and have babies. Why did it end? Did it end all the way? It did, yeah. It ended because we were too young to navigate

fame money and family and our family just would not shut the fuck up about like which they just wouldn't leave us alone

and let us be a beautiful young couple that was in love they just had to go fuck it up up and down the fucking family tree and it just fucked us up and we just weren't mature enough to deal with that but that's why we're best friends now because

we understand I understand now that we're older, that it wasn't us, you know. But I had another baby and he had another baby. Yeah. Yeah. Damn, does he really smoke that much? Yes. Fuck.

You know, I don't smoke. Yeah. At all. Zero. Zero. I've never smoked a joint with my husband, my ex-husband. So you've never smoked at all? No.

Have you done any sort of drugs? Never, nothing. No mushrooms? Little mushrooms? Nothing. I've never done nothing in my life. Not even a mushroom? No.

You're missing out Kind of missing out on that one Yeah You can talk about that later Another time But I think you're missing out I'll see at Coachella Maybe

Give me a little mushroom A little microdose You do all the mushrooms At Coachella Yeah a little microdose You won't even feel it I'll be like No no that's a

You might take a lot If you start seeing that Oh okay So have you I guess During your time Like during your come up What was the craziest person

That you ever like wow That like messaged you or DMed you maybe whiz must have been one of them what do you mean like trying to talk to me yes oh i can't tell you that no no okay fair fair i will say it is not just rappers and athletes they're a list actors white men leo i already know come on i know leo was in there no no no he wasn't in my ds he's a party animal yeah he wasn't in my dm um yeah Okay, fair. Fair. You don't got to discuss that.

But that's actually, I was not talking about him when I said that. You weren't talking about Leo? No. Yeah, no, to be fair, I just said that. Yeah. I just because I've just heard crazy things about Leo. He was a good guy, too, though. Nothing weird.

Yeah, I don't know. I'm like that. But some other A-list actors, maybe. You would not even believe it. You'd be like, damn, he said he was into you, Amber. Crazy shit. Crazy shit. I gotta want to know.

I know. Maybe tell me off. Tell me off. Yeah, I'll tell you later. I swear, I'll never share. Okay. So are you like into, are you still like into the hip-hop scene, into the music scene like you were? That was never, when was I ever in the hip-hop?

I mean, you were dating one of the fucking goats. I mean, that's. Well, and then you dated another one. That's just by default, though. I know. But so you're never really into the music. No, I was into their music. But, I mean, I actually.

prefer like I like rock music okay I like heavy metal ask my personal assistant Joseph he's been me for 10 years Joe oh my god really they're my favorite band what the fuck I go see system all over the country

really look at that fuck yeah are you gonna go see him in New York in August I don't think I'm gonna be in New York in August I'll be in Miami the gym's opening so I'll be over in Miami maybe I'll pop up it's like a Saturday or something no you're not in a mosh piss yes I do

He's been me for 10 years. We go in the Mosh Pit. We go fucking nuts at system. I can't see you. I can't see you in a Mosh. I know. I can't see you in a Mosh Pit though. We go in the Mosh Pit.

Joe, did we not go? We go in Moshpit. Oh my God. He said, unfortunately. I drag him out. I'm like, you work for me. You're coming in the Moshpit. No, I'm kidding.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I just. bring my security is a big guy like you yeah to give you a little space i bring joe and then we just no we really i mean that's your favorite band though for real of all time damn some of the best workout music the best like different man the best yes yeah i was good because i was going to ask you was going to ask you about the whole kendrick lamar and and drake beef like who do you think won if i don't know if you really paid attention at all oh i think kendrick lamar won the beef but i don't got shit to do with drake being the fucking

voice of our generation yeah it is interesting how like that i wonder where that came from because it's always like not the beef but the publication of like really pushing of this artist to sort of it seems like to just like son the other artist like to make them look worse i mean like rap beef's been out since rap been out you know so i think that drake i mean and again i haven't talked to drake in a while but i think drake just chalked it up like okay that was a rap beef but like my album's still gonna come out and fucking shit on everybody like that's how i feel you know it doesn't take away him as an artist at all no of course not yeah like you said i i'm trying i'm team drake for sure yeah me too kentra's like fucking amazing artists i'm just like i just

i was interesting how like everyone turned on him that was so interesting to me how like it seemed like turned on drake yeah sick like everyone turned on disgusting like all the people that you know he he had fucking albums like like hits hits with everyone and they're all just like fuck you that's the thing that i was like damn that's yeah they're jealous yeah he's just he's a he's a he's a better businessman yeah and he probably just ended up on top when they didn't but that's for a long it was on top for a long time i mean still on top i'm just saying even financially yeah you know a hundred percent this is you think it's just out of jealousy to just say now we can finally we all saying fuck them because like it came

It came out of nowhere. Well, I mean, the only thing I've heard about Drake is that he's a narcissist, but they all are. They're all narcissists. If you are in the music business, you are by far a fucking narcissist, so put him in a pot with everyone else. Like, you're mad that he's just more successful than you. Or, you know, he has better lawyers.

I mean, he is Jewish. Yeah. You know? Better business managers. He's better with money. He's better with fucking contracts. I don't know. know but it's giving that he just did everything right yeah and they're just mad yeah exactly so

you you did a you gave sort of like i don't know like a was this sort of speech at was it at rnc yeah how was that i was wonderful it was one of the best days of my life did you get did you get hate did you get love for that yeah i got canceled nah you can't really cancel best day of my life you think that actually was like canceling of you that was Why do you think? Well, you only can get canceled by one side. Right. Yeah. Somebody's going to agree with you. Yeah. Right. And that's the other 50%. So who gives a fuck? Yeah. You know? What was the canceling of you though? Just because you agreed with someone or you because you like someone? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, how stupid it is. That's, that's the thing that I think is so fucking, the whole thing is like,

like, why did you get into the politics though? I started talking openly about it Yeah, so if you, did you watch my speech? Not the whole thing, no. You watched one on my page? Yes, yes, exactly. So a part of, there's one part in my speech where I said, I just want to thank my father

for opening my eyes because, you know, when I was on the left, you know, my dad's white and my mom is black. And I used to, I would go to my dad and like, dad, how the fuck do you support Trump? Okay, he's racist. He hates black people. He's racist, right?

Yeah. And my dad's like, Amber, no, he's not. You're listening to left-wing propaganda. It's all bullshit. So, um, you're good? Yeah, I'm just, I have like short-term memory. It's so bad. Holy shit.

Well, what happened? I got hit in the head with a steel ball on New Year's Eve. Someone, like, threw it at you? You think this, you think it's funny? No, no, I don't think it's funny. I'm sorry. I don't mean to laugh. It's just like, I don't know how to react.

Sometimes when things are like bad, I kind of like laugh. Yeah. Because I'm like, I don't know how to react to that. Yeah. I just had a crazy dizzy spell for people that are watching. I, like, sometimes I just forget what I'm going to say. And I just get like really, really dizzy. But it was equivalent to like a bowling ball being thrown at your head with momentum.

Like I literally passed out and I was in the hospital. I was at Cedar Sinai by 12 o'clock midnight. this past new year's yes and does that does that like regularly it just fuck you up randomly just every now and then i don't know maybe if i get like too hot or like something shit it's like i well i kind of crashed out like i feel like a few i don't have you remember how many podcast episodes i was i was like yo i got to take a second i'm getting bad vertigo yeah like two months ago i was like i got to stop yeah so i get it you're good okay i think that's like what happened

No worries. We were talking about the speech at the R&C, basically. Okay, the speech at the R&C. And, yeah, and what you were saying, and you were going to kind of talk to me about a little bit of what you were saying, and then I was just kind of curious how you felt canceled, basically. Oh, yeah. I mean, well, being canceled is like, you got to think the day I endorsed Trump, I had like 60,000 comments under the post. I was on every blog. Everybody was just like, it's over for her. She's canceled.

blah, blah, blah. But it's, it's all like, just words. It's just all people talking shit because when I go outside, everyone wants to picture with me. Yeah, I was, when I was actually with you that night, we went to go eat for Chet's thing, like a bunch of different people came up and like, they were actually, thank you so much. And this is in California, by the way, obviously. They're like, thank you so much for doing that. We really appreciate. Like, it must have been like three different groups of people that came up to you in person. And we're saying, because this must have been somewhat recently after. Yeah. And they were like, thank you so much for saying blah, blah, blah, whatever. You know, and it was.

It was just kind of like, it was cool to see. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I was super, super nervous. You know, Trump called me. He literally called my phone. I was in Miami.

And he called my phone and he was like, Amber. And I just knew his voice. Of course. Of course. And he was like, I would love for you to come and speak on my behalf at the RNC. And I said, of course, Mr. President. I would love to, right? So I get off the phone.

And I said, what the fuck is an RNC? What the fuck is the R&C? I don't even know what an R&C is But of course I said yes to him Yeah right And then I had a Google and shit Because I didn't know what R&C was How do you get your number?

Through a mutual friend Yeah Yeah But yeah it was it was Because it came up like Trump something On the phone call Yeah Oh shit

It was sick Official Yeah it's like he has his own like Not landline But like he probably has like 30 numbers he can call from or something yeah I mean he's got the host I mean now he's got the whole CIA got everything yeah he can do anything um so what was that what was that experience like you went in there and it was so it's funny I was just um telling my

my cousin the other day and my assistant um so when you walk into the RNC because it is very Republican there's a lot of white men in suits um and it is very intimidating because they look very um prestigious like very prestigious like clean cut you know type of guys um but after i so before i did my speech it was kind of intimidating because no one knew who i was so i was kind of gen pop right i was in like gen pop as far as like people go at the rnc right and then after i did my speech i did my speech the first night so there's like three other nights after mine um so everyone was like oh my god what's your name i had no idea who you were um but you killed your speech blah blah blah so then they start telling me their stories and what was so

crazy is that either like the the guys were like oh you know my wife is black and my kids are biracial or my mom was a crack addict growing up. My sister died of fentanyl. My brother's a drug addict, you know, like just all, or I'm an ex-recovering addict, or I was molested by my parents and then I got adopted. And I'm just like hearing all these stories, and I'm like, even though I was still on that side

and I was speaking at the RNC on behalf of Trump, I still prejudge those people just by how they looked. even when i first walked in there i was intimidated like this looks like white generational wealth they don't they want nothing to do with me um and that was really just my insecurities because they were all so nice and so loving and so you know what i'd love about the republican party is that they don't give a shit about race over there if you're an american you're that everyone is one family yeah and they just make you feel safe and comfortable and within just being patriotic you know yeah it's it's it's i wonder why there's the the stigma that's he's like the it's the race is like

it's i mean i don't wonder why it's literally the opposite right that that the democratic party is the racist party those motherfuckers historically it was too historically it was birthed out of that like it was it was the party that they were like they were the racist people Yeah. But I think it... They won it slavery. Right. That was the party of it, for sure.

Like, historically, like, you can fucking fact check this. But I just think it's interesting how, like, it kind of goes back to what we were saying earlier about how it's just everyone, we got to just make everyone hate each other. I just wonder if, I mean, the whole two-party system thing is, like, in the long run, seems like it's just going to, it's never going to stop this cycle of hate them because they don't agree with you because this person wants power or that person wants power. I just don't ever see it like really it's weird because like you think of America when you talk about America it's like yeah it's united but we're so we seem to be so far from that right I wonder if it ever really does shift and like people I don't know can come to some sort of common ground as far as I think there's going to maybe be like a super far right because there's already a far left the left is super far left they're just unreasonable they want 89 genders they want They want, you know, trans and rainbow flags in children's schools.

They want books about men fucking each other in elementary school books. Yeah. You know, all kinds of adult content. They're on some weirdo shit. The right turned into what the normal left used to be. Yeah. I hear that a lot. You know?

And that's why I resignated because I was on the left and then the left just got fucking weird. Well, why do you think that happened though? Like what, like, what do you think the whole, what would the agenda have been? I mean, pedophiles. But it's like, if you can brainwash the youth, you can brainwash the next generation. Of course. Brainwash them into changing their gender. You can get them to do anything, you know, eventually in 10 years, they'll be adults.

Then you can, then they're puppets to the, the super PACs, the powers that be that control the world. You know what I mean? Yeah, I'll never forget. I, because I, I always try to see both sides. I'm really, I've really tried to like, I mean, have conversations with people all the time, even on this podcast that like are, you know, a lot more liberal than I am or, you know, believe completely different things that I sort of believe because I like to have that kind of conversation.

But I'll never forget, though, I had, I was randomly, like in San Diego at some random beach. I forgot why I was down there. But I talked to just, some guy came up to me because kids were taking pictures with me. And then he comes up. he's like an older guy and he's like there with his kids and I was like talking to him this must have been I don't know what what year it's been like two two or three years ago and he was talking to me about how like in real time he was telling me a story of his kids were in school and they were because I didn't know this to be true because I'll have these conversations

with people that were you know a little more liberal and they're like that's not even happening that's not even real that's just something they're saying so that you know they can create outrage So about the schools? The stuff in the schools. And yeah, the teaching of the kids in the schools, right? And he told me in real time, he was like, no, this is like a real thing that I, like, I'm dealing, I had to deal with with my child. Like, I don't know if their kid was like eight years old or something.

And he was telling me about it. And I was like, oh, that's real? I didn't even think that was real. What did he say it was real? So this, this one specifically had to do with, like, the idea of wealth. And he was telling me how he had, there was a teacher who was, basically telling his kid it was some question about like oh this guy has a Ferrari or some some kids are saying something about having a Ferrari like these young kids and a teacher right

is just another human with like ideologies of their own and they're like well that he should get rid of the Ferrari and like give his money away to like homeless people or something like that and I was just kind of like he was telling me this he was like I just don't like why why are why is my eight year old having a conversation about like socioeconomic stuff with some like whatever 28 30 year old teacher who's like telling my kid about this sort of interaction it's like because like from me looking in and him looking in is like you don't know how the person got to that far or how they got to that sort of success or wealth or whatever their money like why would they just give it away but you have a you know my my beef is with like

the teachers the people who are just inputting their sort of ideology on how things should be with kids where it's like just teach the fucking kid about math right or teach the kid about social science or something like history. Or even in college, right? Pose the question and let the kids talk about it. But this isn't even in college. This is like young kids in it. Because like imagine you're an eight year old and you hear the teacher go, he should give his money away to the homeless people. And it's like, it's an eight year old kid. They're going to look at the adult and be like, okay, that's right. And then that's ingrained in their mind. They're learning these things that it's like, why are they even having this conversation, period?

And when we go back to the whole, like, you know, the sexual identities and all the stuff and talking to kids about it's like, I'm confused because I'm like, I don't remember ever being when I was that age. No. We didn't talk about heterosexual, gay, nothing. We didn't talk about sex. It was just like you let kids learn that on their own. Yeah. And I don't understand how along the way did we start to be like, no, we have to okay this and we have to okay that. It's like just let kids be kids and learn at their own rate.

And they want to start discussing sexuality like when they're of age, then do that. but like an adult, like a 30-something-year-old adult, shouldn't be discussing with a child, like very impressionable child about sexual topics where it's like, we didn't even talk about that when I was a kid. Like, again, not about transgenderism or gay, straight. Like, I don't care about any of that stuff, but it's like, let a person decide on their own.

But if you're telling a child that, like the chances of them like being like, well, maybe this is for me or maybe I should do it. Or maybe I'll feel different. Maybe I'll get more attention because I'm not getting that attention at home. you know maybe I can fit into this group of friends because I like this person and I want to be non-binary like them or they see the attention to teachers giving that this group of students and oh I want to be a part of that because I want the attention there and it's just weird it's like

just teach kids about math and science and in fucking history and you know maybe actually teach me about fucking taxes because they're going to have to learn that the hard way but it's just weird I don't I don't understand where along the ways we just like like why did that start to go so left and I don't even just mean left isn't liberal I just mean left like why like Where did we? I mean, it just, people are fucking weird, bro. People are weird. It became a lifestyle, which I'm very transparent about.

I fell into it in some way, right? Yeah. But once it got too weird for me, I did a podcast for an example, right? I had my own podcast. And a person was on my podcast and they said pedophilia is a sexual orientation. Bro. And I wanted to fucking jump on that motherfucker and beat his ass. Yeah, this is the what like minor attracted person thing?

Minor attracted person. Yeah. Are you sick in the fucking head, bro? After that, I say, you know what? I don't know where I belong, but I do not belong here. This, whatever this is, this is not my ideology. I don't fuck with none of this shit. But that's what I'm saying, like, you think it just came from random people?

you think it's like a like is there a greater play like what's there a greater play look i have this conversation with my assistant joseph all the time right he's a gay man yeah right my son asked me if he was gay when he was eight he's 12 now right he said mom is uncle joey gay i said yes he said what does that mean because my friends are telling me that my uncle joey's gay and i say how how boys usually like girls in a romantic way he likes boys in a romance way and he said oh okay went on his life never asked me about it again now he's 12 years old his uncle joey's around all the time his uncle joey is not walking around like bro you want to rock this rainbow flag bro you get a boyfriend yet bro he's not doing that it's just his cool ass gay

uncle and no one gives a fuck when you start indoctrinating children into that shit it confuses them let nature take its course, right? If your kid's going to be gay, they're going to be gay. Is what it is. You know, if they're going to be straight, they're going to be straight. But don't influence them in different ways. You're just fucking them up. Let them just be normal.

My question is more so, do you think it's like, you think it's just people who are just, I don't want to say weird, but they're people who are just like wanting to have that sort of conversation with children or it's like, no, we should. Because it became a thing. They're all pedophiles. They're all sick individuals. rules. But so I don't think you're wrong. But my question more so is like, why did it start to become a thing from the top down where it was like, no, no, we have to say okay to this. We have to

say yes and this has to be discussed. And like why was there a rally around like that we should talk about this stuff? Like why? And then there was like a vindication of, you know, government being like, yeah, this should be in schools. And even talking about like, you know, transgender athletes fighting. It's like, why are we even getting to that? How are we even getting to that point? When you confuse a nation or confuse a generation, right? You can get them to do whatever the fuck you want. That's why I don't know how people didn't see through Kamala. She's a fucking puppet.

You know what I'm saying? And people are like, oh, she's so smart. She's so smart. No one's saying that she's not smart. We're saying that she is bought by the powers that be. That's the same thing when you have the higher up pedophiles, right? that are that have a lot of more money than you can go you can't even google these motherfuckers right yeah and they're trying to manipulate and brainwash a whole generation and they kind of did with

the gen zers but what do you think that and i think the millennials kind of fell to it because they're like okay well we still want to be cool we're still young you know we're still like 35 40 you know yeah um we can get with the times because we're cool cooler than our boomer parents right yeah um but i think after a while the millennials were just like bro this is a lot this is pretty fucking stick and we can't really condone this this anymore imagine brain imagine a four or five year old telling you that they're trans did you even know what trans was at four or five years old that's they're indoctrinating these children it's fucking sick yeah but so the question is i'm not disagreeing with you the question

that i have is like it goes back to what you said about the control right the easier because you can you can create make people hate each other whether it's white people make white people hate black people black people hate white people or you keep people sort of uh you know this gender ideology that gender ideology you know I am this I am that great this sort of confusion and you know we're attributing this to the sort of left and obviously I have to sit here at the play the sort of devil's advocates like not that these things are happening on the right or are happening on the right but I guess when I look at government as a whole and and don't get me wrong when I say this like I'm a fan of Trump and I like and I like the direction we're going in in a lot of ways but at the same time I'm also like

It's a figurehead. It's a person that sort of people are designed to either hate or love. Yeah. But the puppet masters in the show ahead above, they're still there's still there. I feel like what's changing the, like, do you think that the current sort of administration or the current government really wants to have less control? Because if we're saying the left and liberals, they did all this sort of wacky stuff, whatever you want to call it, this or that, to create control, more control.

of a generation that's coming. Does any government want less control? You know what I'm saying? Whether it's that administration or this administration. Well, I think it is less control because it's like, okay, we're not, they don't want a communist country, right? So we still have the freedom of speech, right? We still have the right to bear arms.

We still have a right to vote for what we want, where we live, right? That's a free country. Stuff like that where it's not a dictatorship where people are just like, this is just what it is. and that's just, you know, federal, right? Yeah. For everyone. And let's just things that make sense, right?

So again, I was having a conversation with my friends about the trans people not being able to have either male or female on their passports. So if you're like a male that turned female, you still have to have mail on your passports, right? And I was having a discussion about that because where do you gauge it? it right if a girl is trans and she looks like me I personally think she should have female on there because it's like she took a lot of time into her transition to look like a woman right

a biological woman or a trans man that looks like you right um I'm so I'm so confused because I'm like what what okay so a trans man that looks like me is the man is as would have a vagina But it looks like you. Okay. You've seen them online, like a trans man. Yeah, I guess like I just, I feel like I would be wearing a dress or something.

No. You would look like a man. You would have to take testosterone, facial hair, muscles. But you would be born with a vagina. Oh, okay. I see where we're going. Okay. My bad.

Sorry. That's okay. Yeah. I just get confused. So you would be a trans man and then I would be a trans woman if we were trans people. Like fully. I would be, I would have a penis and you have a vagina. This is a core insane conversation.

But yeah, okay, I'm following. Okay, cool. Like, I went all the way. And I went all the way. Okay. I'm giving woman you'll never know. And I'm a fucking man. Yeah.

But I personally think if we look like this and we're trans people that you should be able to have male on your passport, I should be able to have female on my passport. Yeah. Now, Donald Trump disagrees with that. Right. And he said that there is only two genders, which I agree with. But I do understand where he's coming from because what happens is. is that there's trans women that look like you

and put on lipstick and a wig and they look like this. And they want to go into like bathrooms and shit like that. They want to go into female prisons and shit like that. Yeah. So do you filter out and do you say like, hey, you look like a real girl. You can have female on yours, but you can't. There's another level of discrimination. So he's basically like, look, I ain't doing all this shit.

if you're born biologically a male, you're a male, biologically a female, you're going to have female on her. And I'm going to wash my hands with it. Yeah. So he just kind of don't have, he's just like, yo, biologically you are what you are and that's it. Yeah. But aside from this point, really, I'm just, I guess the question I was really going for is like, is, is the, is the control or the wanting to have control of our government, do you think it's ever really going to, it's not going to change? Like, they still would still want people to be sort of like in dissolution or you know having discourse or having problems about certain things like whether we're talking about this old transgender you know male female thing on a passport is I don't know how important that is to certain people

but I feel like I just feel like I don't know I I hate that I feel this way because it just sucks you know I'm because I'm American I'm like I fucking love America but I also feel like if it's not that hand it's this hand and it's still business is usual like it's still like let's keep people to fucking be mad at each other so that we can continue to control i think i think there's um a better and a worse yeah and there's not like a i agree like a right or a wrong yeah it's just like it's not going to be perfect yeah yeah it's never going to be perfect and we're never going to get everything that we want you know and maybe some people will some people's ideal

they're getting exactly everything that they want you know i feel like i'm getting everything i want right now um i don't know what the next four years hold that he might do something that i disagree with yeah you know but i do i believe that trump can be bought no he's enough money he can't be bought and that he's got a lot that's that's one of many reasons why i voted for him because you couldn't give him enough money to go against his morals and what's right you know other people they get kickbacks and shit from africa from the middle east you know all that foreign aid and shit oh man seeing that's crazy you know it's like i just i think trump just and he knows his eyes are watching him he's like look i'm here to fucking save you

motherfuckers so yeah that that's how i i just feel like if i had to choose between him and Kamala is no question that, you know, yeah, that he's just a better choice. Yeah, I see what you're saying? So besides politics, what else are you, are you really into right now? Because I know you're, you seem to be really into it, at least as far as what you put out forward. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm into it. I have debates with some of my friends about like religion and stuff. Yeah. Are you religious? I prefer to, I like to debate. I'm not religious, no. Have you ever been religious? Yeah. Yes, I grew up religious. Like Catholic, Christian? I was baptized Catholic as a baby. Me too. Me too. Um, and then I had my Holy Communion.

Um, I had my confirmation. And then I became a born again Christian because my mom switched churches that got re-baptized. I've been a Christian probably up to my 41 now. Um, I've been to atheist probably six years now now yeah it's been six years so you're an atheist currently yeah you see that movie uh heredity hereditary yeah no i think that's the name of it no heretic heretic oh heretic oh yeah where he was like that this is like the first sort of like where religion was like the first sort of brainwashing of people yeah do you believe that yes yeah why well religion just creates law and order humans homo sapiens created that to create order yeah you know we're the only human species that can create fiction in our minds whatever fiction it is right if we could say like

do you ever read the book sapiens no i did not i'm going to get it for you yeah send it to you um so basically it's like we could say the spirit of the lion the spirit of the lion can protect our tribe we don't know that to be true but we believe it because anytime the lion came around one time and like nothing else bothered us right and then that became real and it became a religion and so we can just make these fictional things up in our mind and that's all religion is it's a bunch of fiction that gives us comfort I see so I it's I love having this conversation because I fully get what you are saying and I like have moments where I'm like, yeah, that's exactly how I feel.

Yeah. The only thing that makes me, I guess, sort of believe differently, there's two things, rather. The first thing is that, like, to that point is, like, why then all different people from, like, all different times all sort of created this idea of God. Like, in different, you know, the Quran, they all had it completely, like, there's no, they weren't like on Twitter being like, oh, God is this guy over here. And then he's like, oh, God's this guy over here.

Yeah, they were, but they still did that. Well, imagine not knowing anything, right? No information. You look up at the sky and you see the stars. You see something twinkling up there. This before they created airplanes and shit. You're just like, yo, there's something. I almost fell in that ditch.

And I didn't. That star right there fucking saved me. But I see. But even the idea of God. Yeah. Creating the idea of God. You think it's just like someone was just like yes because it's so weird right i think about this stuff i go i try to go like way

back like who's the first person being like oh yeah like i didn't fall like we're talking about this example oh god it was god like who you know what i'm saying like yeah i think it started with like stars maybe an animal astrology you know not even necessarily astrology just like something that protected that person right a dream could be anything and again there's like eight other human species that live before us right we're the only ones that can create things in our mind we can create batman we can create fictional characters we can think of something and like bring it to fruition even if it's not real yeah you know but i'm just so interested in like that it's so many different like areas like places they created this idea of god yeah it's all from narcissism babe you think

they're just like my religion's better you but mahomet's better jesus is better fucking uh so you saw it on the on the belief that it was it's sort of created to corral people into believing and to like feel hope and yeah if you do not live by this book you will burn in the pits of hell right it's intimidation as well so it's like you need to do the right well yeah this this though is interesting because this is when humans started writing about it right but like i i mean i guess it goes back to you're saying earlier about like you know the lion and the lion sort of this like deity or entity that someone's like looking to and being like oh that's why we're saved because the lion was here and that's sort of our

god but like they i feel like the humans that's that's that's not real it's literally just a belief it's not factual information factual information is this is a microphone that is a fact right to say that the lion um protects our tribe is something that i just believe in my mind i have no factual evidence that that is true that's all religion is a faith system it's a belief system no one has any evidence that religion is real or god is real right there's evidence that jesus existed but is there evidence that he was the son of god or god himself so how do you think it all started do you think it's just randomly just yeah i think i think i think again i think i think i think as homo sapiens we could just make shit up and it no no i don't mean the idea of god or

Like the, I know how obviously religion, you know, organized religion. Because that was the thing that I was always like when I was a child, I was like, this seems like this is just a bunch of people making me want to believe this thing. But I'm talking about just the world like this, it actually existing. Oh, yeah. Like what's your theory about that then? Probably the big bank theory. Just completely random. Yeah, I think they, we all collide it and then we turned into rocks and then we all started rotating.

And after billions of years, it came. became more of like a, instead of like a clumpy rock, it became more of like a sphere. Yeah. Because it's been so many times, like the rest of the planets. Yeah. And, yeah, we just so happen to be close enough to the sun where we don't burn or freeze.

We got lucky. Do you believe there's evil in the world? No. No. I believe people have neurological issues. Do you think people just have issues? I think I think it's neurological Or it's like genetics

I'm just more into like science I guess Yeah I get it Another I do I'm not trying to like make you feel wrong or No no no I love conversations like this I just feel like there should be an explanation Like I was very distraught when they didn't Look at Jeffrey Dahmer's brain I'm still pissed off it like wakes me up at night

Like who like who made this motherfucker This way why would you Why would you cremate his brain? Why would you do that to me? You wanted to understand why he was that way? Yes. Fuck, evil. But, you know, they did it to John Wayne Gacy

and they didn't find anything, but that was in what, like the 80s? He should have kept his brain for when technology got better. And then maybe we could see cycle paths before they, you know, where they start. I think for me, the reason why I believe in God and the idea of it is just because it's like, it's hard to say because people are evil but because evil is so I feel like it's so real

I feel like this yeah yeah I think if your frontal lobe doesn't develop properly you get hit in your head as a child you suffer trauma you you know anything can fuck your fuck your fuck you up mentally yeah and fuck your brain up so that's the only explanation like that's not see my mom told me my whole life that we had demons in our family we had generational demons follow us everywhere we went and I got one day I just got older and I said we don't have no fucking demons mom we don't have no fucking demons there's no such thing as demons this is before I was an atheist by the way yeah there's no such thing as fucking demons I don't have no damn demon on my back

leave me alone you know and it's just generational and it just and I just couldn't take it anymore and what's crazy my cousin that's over here right here with y'all of the aunt he uh was like you need to read sapiens and when i read sapiens it changed my life because every i the way i felt about everything i just could not convey it i did not have the words for it um but life made sense after i read that book 100% changed my life but i just think i so you don't believe in sort of generational trauma like being passing it down like what's you know like say for example you go through something you have a kid part of that sort of like whatever was ingrained in your DNA is going because this is now science sure my my grandmother committed suicide in front of my

mother she cried every day in my life yeah clinically depressed anxiety I became her mother when I was 12 years old and I to this day my mom cries every time I'm on the phone with her that's just my life with my mom. Do I do that to my children? No. Do I tell my children about my mom? No. Do I give them any generational trauma from my mother and my whole family being on drugs and being dead of overdoses? No. Guess what I do? I don't do drugs. I don't try drugs. I don't look at drugs. Well, yeah. I don't do shit. I broke the generational curse. Yeah. And I suck it up and I'm a fucking And G, and I do what I got to do for my kids. But see, it's funny how you did curse, but that it is something that you're passing on.

It's something that you, not that I'm not saying your children are going to deal with it, but it does require you to make the change. Like you said, you made those active changes to do those things to say. Where's a demon? Right. Well. Ain't no demon. I'm a grown-ass adult.

I'm not saying it's a real demon, by the way. I know. I'm just saying, I'm a grown-ass adult. And if I want my children to have a better life than I did, right? I'm not going to do the same things. I'm not going to tell them the same things. They don't know that my family was fucked up and dead from overdoses. I knew that my uncle was in prison for murder, but now it's five years old.

I have to take the bus up to Graterford in Pennsylvania to go see him on a stinky-ass bus. I shouldn't have had to do that. My mom should have kept me from that, but she didn't know how to break the generational curse. Yeah. But I do. And it doesn't come with. money it just comes with a different mentality so how did you develop that how do you think you develop that mentality when you weren't necessarily given that i just had to fend for myself for a long

time and i just it's like military school no matter what you just get up and you do what the fuck you got to do but who taught you that because like me okay me that's it i mean i would say that my dad uh instilled things in me um in a very militant way my father was in the military as well but he was going a lot he was going a lot and um my mom wasn't very nice when she talked about my father so it made me not really want to know him on a deeper level yeah until i got older um which i could have had a much better life if i if i uh if I had the opportunity to know my father better when I was younger. Why do you say that?

Because of what you would have learned? Just the shit that I had to go through as a kid. My dad didn't know none of that stuff. My mom didn't know either, but being the only child with a clinically depressed mother, what else are you going to do? You're either going to sell crack or you're going to strip or you're going to figure it out. What else was there for me to do? Go work at McDonald's, make fucking $5 an hour to get my mom an apartment?

there wasn't enough money there wasn't enough time we needed food we needed to eat i was going to joke and say become a nurse but go to school you got to go to school for that and waste more money a lot of money yeah you know what i mean it's just it's not for everybody and i get it so do you think certain people are just better for lack of i think certain people are resilient and that is my best quality that i am resilient that's why i don't give a motherfucker what anyone says about me I almost prefer it it makes me feel something there it is you know that's what makes you feel something call me a fucking dumb bimbo cunt I'll be the happiest day of my life I'll feel something you know I get you because I feel nothing I've been through too

much I feel absolutely nothing doing that's kind of sad it's very sad okay it's very sad I wish I had a nice Republican man that was just just masculine and like I had a gentle energy but like just held me at night and was like you could breathe I got this don't worry about nothing that that's ultimately an ideal perfect world I would I would like that but the men out here nowadays bro i feel like it's everyone nowadays there yeah i can see that girls girls are retarded too yeah it's dating huh the girl the girlfriends that i have i mean they're retarded i'm not gonna lie am i lying they're retarded that's where to cut i feel bad for the guys they date like i look he want to snitch on them i'm like yo let me get his

number i need to tell him something why do you think he's got so bad why i think dating's got so bad my god you think but then so we talk about this like is it just an la thing or is it like well they did say la is the worst city to date in america yeah so i think we're kind of screwed when it comes to that but i'm on raya are you on raya no no so i'm on ryan it's just bad over there too it's bad it's bad everywhere no i've never used dating apps not once you should get on ride. You'll probably mean nice girls. No, I feel like Instagram's just a dating app now. I guess. I feel like that's what Instagram is. It's the biggest dating app ever. Really? Yeah, which then just makes dating or the idea of dating like the worst thing ever because it's like that's...

It's too accessible. It's also it's always greener. Yes. Always greener. Oh, no matter what. Yes, that's true. And it's like that's the weird thing with this. We talk about dating just in general is like, it seems like everyone is like, it seems like everyone is like, Like what's next more better different whatever it is like people lost the I don't know like the the old I guess sort of old school mentality like this is my person I want to build with them you know yeah that seems to be gone seems like ah this isn't that looks easier over there so I'll do it like we've lost the the work ethic and trying to make things great if I'm just talking about dating in general it's like I can see why and not even just L.A but it just seems like it's like people are just I don't know, we just always think there's something better.

Always. People forget to, like, actually take care of what they have. Right. Which is interesting because it's, the idea that something's always going to be better is like, that's never going to go away. And that may always be there, but it's like, how are we going to make something great? Yeah. Well, yeah.

If you, it's like a business, you're not given 150%. It's going to fail. Yeah. So how do you see yourself moving forward in relationships? Are you trying to date? Are you trying to have, like, you're trying to be married? Like, do you want that? I don't look for anything.

But if someone comes into my life via DM or, like, I'm just out, then, you know, maybe I'll, like, talk to them. But usually I'm turned off within the first three phone calls. What are the biggest turnoffs in guys? Biggest red flags. Biggest turnoffs. Just feminine men. Just very feminine men. What makes a man feminine?

you're mine. It's like... Because you also said you want to like a strong man but also, you know, sort of like understanding like the... We're talking about the Republican guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he's like kind of understanding

but is that too feminine? No, I'm talking about men that want me to eat their coochie at the end of the night. What? What? Wait, where is that? That's how I feel.

What? Wait, what? That's how I want to talk to men from now. on. I'm like, do you want me to eat your coochie at the end of the night? What the fuck? That's what it feels like. I feel like I'm in a, I feel like I'm a lesbian in this. I am bamboozled right now. I didn't know this was the thing that that was like first couple

dates. Hey, by the way. Yeah. Wow. They want it like that's not your thing. Hey. Yeah. Do they want to get paid? Fuck. Yeah. It's just too feminine for me. Well, that's, that's a little, I understand that. It's a little. I get it. That's a little feminine. I'm not saying literally. I'm saying figuratively. Oh, so they don't literally say, hey, will you peg me? No. They figuratively say, I want to be paid. Yeah.

How do they figuratively say that? They say, well, they just say things like, why would I buy you something? You should buy me something. That means they want to get pegged. You know what I mean? They want me to put their legs all the way back and they want me to eat their koochie.

So this is men that want you to take care of them, basically. It's so, it's weird. It's like, if I want to go be with a bad bitch, I'll fucking go, I'll go take her out. Why am I taking you out? That's crazy. Now I got to feel masculine and take out my fucking credit card.

Ew. So then what are the, what are the green flags for men in dating you? If I say, I'm going to go get my nails then, you should already send me a cash app for my nails. Apple pays you like. Apple pays me, easy. See, here's the thing that men don't understand.

I'm going to give you the game right now. And I'm not even trying to. to sound vulgar. No, that's why I'm here for this. Okay. If you want a girl to like you or even love you, it costs money. Now, it's not saying that's, you know, just superficial because an upper echelon type of woman, it wants a man to be a man.

And sometimes that comes with money. So again, if a girl's like, yeah, boo, if you're like, oh, what are you doing today? I'm going to go get my nails done. Oh, how much they cost? I don't know, $2.50. All right, well, here's five. Just go ahead. Go get your nails done.

Get the little extra scrub and shit. This is a different tax bracket of men you're talking to because all men can't do that. I understand that. If you're in the hood, it costs $25 for a full set, a full set of nails. Okay. $25 dollars. You'll be okay. 250's crazy.

And we live in L.A. I'm sorry. We live in L.A. Yeah. For the people watching at home. LA's very personal. So you think it's, it's, well, I do understand the conversation. conversation obviously about like it goes back to the idea of being able to provide to take care of

but there there are other ways that men can do that no and make you feel taking care of and take you make you feel special and like what protect you be there for you you don't care about good conversation that don't cost no money yeah I care about good conversation like what if the guy's just like yeah I could just pay for your shit but he just doesn't there's nothing else that he does no it has to be the full package babe got to do it all Well, yeah, don't you want it all in a woman? Of course, yeah. Yeah, we don't just, listen, there's gold diggers out there

that you can be a fat, ugly 90-year-old. And if you have money, they'll suck his dick all day. They don't care. I personally can't do that. Which part's sucking the dick all day? Just being a gold digger, like, I don't care what your conversation's like. I don't care what you look like. As long as you have money, I'm good.

That's not my personality. Do you think that's different because you have money, though? Maybe. yeah yeah it's a little different maybe it's all circumstantial right yeah that's why I say when I have these well well no because I've had opportunities when I was broke with motherfuckers like that and I could not do it and I remember when I was a stripper this guy offered me $25,000 that would have changed my life back in the day yeah um and I couldn't do it just to just to have sex of them? Yeah. And I could not do it because, again, I felt like I'm going to have anxiety for the

rest of my life. I'm never, I'm an overthinker. I don't know if I have like, I don't know, but I'm an overthinker. And I'll never, ever forget if I, if I do that to myself. And I didn't do it. And then now $25,000 isn't much money to me anymore. Yeah. It's funny. I had a, I had a story where was it this is when I was a trainer and I definitely needed the money and I had a I had a guy that I was training or like I randomly met him as I was like dating some other girl and I was like at a gym with her kind of working out with her and he's like oh you're a trainer he's like come back and I need a trainer and my wife needs a trainer it's some house in Beverly Hills and this guy had basically he was soliciting me to like have sex with his wife and he wanted

to like watch he's a cuck yeah it took a few conversations to get to that point but I'll never forget i met the i met the woman and like i met their kids because i was at their house and just like flat in the flats in beverly hills like right near the like right up from the the gold triangle whatever it is and um i i met the woman and her their kids and like i said oh these they look like the you know they look like the couple and i met the woman and she was just like you could tell she was the kind of woman that was like i'm this is what he does regularly and like when i met her she was just like seemed like lifeless like she didn't want to do it but she was like this is what makes him happy and i just remember being like yeah i can't do he was going to give me eight thousand

yeah and i needed that money i know i was like i can't do it i know yeah i'm a dude it probably i'm the same way i mean i'm a dude it probably would have been easier for me to just be like fuck it but i just couldn't i was just like this i think because when i met the kids i was like and i met her and i was like yeah that's not it but it's weird i feel you i i can't do it so money's not money is not everything all i'm saying is that the type of guys that i talk to do have money to be fair right but i'm saying just little things that those things matter to girls even if it's like just even if it's just like hey i was thinking about you today so i wrote you this letter nobody even writes letters anymore like just something romantic and cute and and nice it's like

everybody's just too busy trying to be cool and they make you wait 10 minutes to text back and fucking it's just like yo are you excited or not so you think it shows excitement to like try to take care

yes or it's like if you text me and I'll text you back and then you're like I gotta let this bitch sweat for like 15 minutes that's so dumb though it's so dumb why is that I think people actually do that They do that.

They do that. It's so stupid. If I text you, text me back if you're excited. Because if you play that game with me, I'm already talking to the next guy. I'm already on the phone. You already took too long. And I get you, you're busy and you have shit to do. But I know when you're playing games and being weird with me.

How do you know? You know. You know because even over time, if things change, right? So somebody, let's say you for an example, if you talk. to one of your joints or whatever you'll be like hey babe i'm gonna hit you back i'm about to go do this podcast real quick right but for somebody that's you know maybe not as excited or doing some dumb as shit they don't do that they don't care enough or they just they can't give 150 percent because they got eight million bitches that they're worried about so they forget

to say it and then they don't talk to the girl for two hours or somebody like me and i'm already on to the next one because I don't have time for that. There's no reason you shouldn't talk to me for two hours if you're excited about me. So then I have a question in the reverse as far as like we said the guy taking care of and like little things like

buying things, paying for things. What do you think then a woman should be doing to show that guy that she's serious about the relationship? There's plenty of things you can do. You could like how do you know if a girl's serious about it basically?

Well, you don't, especially if you have money. You don't. But it's the same thing for a girl with money. You just don't know. You have to take a gamble and you have to see over time if the person is genuine or not. You're not going to know up front if you're a man that has a certain amount of money. Because you're always going to assume that every girl wants you for your money, right? Yeah.

But if you have money and you're good looking and you're nice and you're attentive, then you'll have all the bitches and everyone will just. love you because of who you are and the money is the cherry on top but so but so let's say you're a guy you don't have money how do you how do you pull it off then you said a guy that doesn't have money yeah just like a you know like someone who has money but not enough to just like I'm not saying me specifically because I feel like I'm doing all right but for the people listen I understand you know um and what was your question like how how do they find success in the dating game if they can't you know They can't pay the, even the $25 or $250 for the nails in Beverly Hills.

Don't date. You think so? I know so. Yeah. That's kind of valid. I know guys that can't afford to have girlfriends and they don't. And they still fuck girls. They still fuck girls.

They lay up with girls and stuff like that. But they don't really have girlfriends because they can't afford a girlfriend. If you can't afford a girlfriend, don't have a girlfriend. Why are you want to be in a relationship with a girl? and she has to struggle with you. That's terrible. I know, but then I think about, like, girls like, what's her name? Who's the lady who divorced Bezos and then became a billionaire?

She was there before you had money? But he had dreams and aspirations. He was working towards something. So that's what I'm getting at. Okay, sure, right? If you're working towards something, by all means, right? That's your high school, sweetheart, college sweetheart, or you guys meet in your 20s. you both working at Starbucks, and then he's like,

y'all, I was thinking about this company. I just got a loan from the bank. I'm about to, and yeah, you want to support him and hold him down 100%. But if you just are not a hustler, you're just not out making money. You can't afford to be in a relationship. That's kind of crazy to me.

Yeah, I get you. So on the other token for the women, what do women need to add to be able to like make it a good relationship? Because if we talked about men having to pay, what do you think women have to add? I think women have to stop nagging. They need to let a man be a man. They need to learn how to submit and not talk back. Especially if your man is out working all day, he should come home to home cook food.

The house should be clean. If he's really taking care of you, you should be on your knees as soon as he walks in the door. And you should be thankful that he's taking care of your whole life. Like, that's what you have to do. And it helps when the man is fine You're attracted to him That's what I was saying It's not easy for me to just go be with somebody

That just has money that I'm not attracted to But all those attributes Yeah 100% And if you have kids You take care of the kids too Wash them up, brush your teeth Put them to bed And then now it's time to focus on your man

Yeah Yeah So dating for you in L.A. right now Is like something you actively are trying to do or you don't even care about it? I don't necessarily care. I'm not looking. Yeah.

And, you know, it's also very discouraging because it's really, really bad out here. And it's not just me. It's every girl I know. They're just like, bro, it's bad. It's bad in New York. It's bad in Miami. It's bad everywhere. What do you think it is?

I think everyone just broke or what? I think it's what you said. I think that everyone thinks the great. grass is greener. Yeah. And no one actually gives that person. Like you'll like a person. You're like, damn, I really like this person.

I'm feeling this person. And then you're like, but damn, this other person hit me up. And this person maybe has a little more money or maybe has a little more amenities that they can bring to my life, you know? Instead of just being like, I actually have it really good with this initial person that I was talking to. Yeah. So you think these people just, they're just not, almost like they're not willing to commit

because they think there's more. Yeah. I think sometimes it's also like fear-based because like the other knowing that and people kind of all knowing that, they also then go, oh, they're probably doing this. So like, we'll see. Like, let me see like what they're really about. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, totally.

I feel like guys just think I'm just like this man eating, cheating, liar, fucking gold digging bitch. But I'm not. I swear I'm not. I swear I'm not. I swear I'm not. I'm such a sweetheart. Yeah.

I am. Yeah, no, for sure. I mean, who knows? That's the thing you never know. That's that because for me. I'm so sweet. The idea of dating is like the fear. It's just like, man.

Who knows why this person is really here? And like, is this person really here for me? Yeah. Yeah. I feel the same way. Yeah. So you did a pod with Nick earlier. What was it about?

Nick Cannon. Yeah, Nick Cannon. You know Nick used to be my manager. I didn't know that. So he was my manager at a time where him, he was getting a divorce from Mariah and I was getting a divorce at the same time. So we were both in a really dark ass fucking place. So we talked about stuff like that. Surprise you never try to have a kid.

You know, he's like big on having all the kids. I know. I was joking when I said, Nick, you're going to be my third baby daddy. Like I told him that before we left. But I saw him recently talk about Elon Musk like, you know, he kind of went up in him. He's felt like he got to step his game up. Who? Nick was saying how, like, Elon's like, because he didn't think Nick, Elon just had another kid.

Nick said something about like, nah, wait a sec. Oh, right, right. I think he's on the cape back on. 13 now, Nick. Is he? Yeah. Oh, wow. I think he's on, and Elon just hit 13.

Yeah. That's why Nick was saying you got to put the cape back on or something. Yeah. I don't know. I was like, maybe you and him. I'm done. You're done with kids. I'm done with kids.

Got it. And Nick is, Nick is my family. You know, I joke around this shit, but... Yeah. And I don't want to be his 14th baby mom. I love you, Nick. I don't want to be your 14th baby mom. I don't know how he balances that.

That's nuts. He was actually telling me his schedule. It was crazy. What's his schedule? He's just like every day of the week is a different, you know, kids. And then he brings the kids, like nine of the kids come at once to this house. And then there's like, uh, five over the I don't know wow yeah kind of respect that yeah that's crazy crazy

I know how you balance all that I know he must have been he must be killing it still you get it sounds like a lot of money sounds like a lot of money yeah does he has he must have like a main girl though right like a I don't know I know what he told me but I'm not going to repeat it that's fine that's fine you know but uh yeah I'm not sure yeah So do you, as far as like content that you make now, do you, is it just O.F stuff or you have the podcast? Do you take that seriously? Like what else you do on the internet? I have a brand, I have a brand new show coming out in March. It's me and Ray J. We're doing all sports, entertainment, politics. Nice. Ray J is also a Trumper. Yeah. And so me and Ray J. are literally like, we're crazy. together. I mean, we equally don't give a fuck, which is such a beautiful place to be in

for an actual show, a new show. So it'll be like podcast style, like with a, I'm assuming like some sort of like, it's going to be a news, a new show. But, but on mics, obviously, yeah. Yeah, it's going to be mics. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. Anything else that you're excited about? I'm, I'm mostly excited about that. All my eggs are in one basket when it comes to that. That's what I'm working on mainly. Um, and then. And other stuff will come from now. No more slut walks. Fuck, no.

No more slot walks. I'm fucking done. I've been done with slop walks since 2018. Yeah, no. I'm just kind of trolling you. Yeah, I know. Sorry. That's okay.

Well, I appreciate you coming. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. Yeah, this was great. You really like, yeah, you're dope. And I, like, even off camera, when I first met you, I was like, damn, the shit's fucking super fucking real. Thank you.

And I'm happy for your success. And, like, that's the one thing. things too is interesting like a lot of people come come in the space or in i guess industry in general and you've you've well stuck around which is like not fucking easy to do hell yeah like hard as fuck it's been 15 years fucking crazy yeah what do you what do you before we leave what what do you attribute it to just sounds like not giving a fuck well not giving a fuck helps for sure um i would say not giving a fuck do not over saturate yourself

learn how to take L's on the internet I've taken plenty of L's things that I just do not respond to I don't say shit I let nature take its course I don't shut down shit like if somebody says something crazy

about me or something I just let it go all over the internet and then I just let them talk shit let it take its course yeah but it works because once you shut it down and people stop talking I see what you're saying even if it's bad

you've got to let them talk shit it's real it's real you want the gay you want to be famous not you but somebody out there wants to be famous yeah but that's the thing it's so hard for people to get over that like just criticism let them talk

who cares it's not true who gives the fuck no one care no one really cares no one's sitting at home at their dinner table saying oh my god no one really cares bro except my fucking mom except your mom

that's the only person in America like fuck dude I wish you just should just relax I love my mom I love my mom I just the older generation

is different yeah they're different they're more sensitive they don't understand you know what the fuck that was weird

you need to get her to oh my god you know I have the biggest question on who I think he's married though who I think he's married um you have a crush on someone doesn't you thank you for that thank you for that okay thank you yeah um Scott Jennings from CNN I'm obsessed I'm upset I'm like where can I find a guy like that he might find you after this oh my God I'm obsessed with Scott Jennings he's married he's married he is he is married yeah he's

But a guy like that, like a guy like that is like that's, that's your type. Yeah. Yeah, like Scott Jennings. Okay. Do you think your type's evolved over time? I don't, I never had a type. Ever. No, I just, you gotta think, I'll go a year or two and no one will talk to me.

They're, men are terrified of me. So they think I'm, they, like, I think I'm, I may look crazy, but I'm not crazy. So they don't talk to me. So then the guy that actually talks to me, I just had this conversation with Nick Cannon. No one ever talked to Mariah because they were so scared of her. Yeah. And Nick was like, I'm saying I'm trying to take you out. And she was like, finally somebody like, you know, and he happens to be a nice guy too.

But yeah, I mean, I think that's what happens. But if a Scott Jennings type of guy wants to talk to me, you know. Okay. we'll make that note yeah thank you yeah we'll leave that we'll 100% leave that in the Scott Jennings type of guy wants to talk to her Scott Jennings is slide just smart just I just like really smart guys yeah really really smart guys and it's always been that way yeah I mean Kanye is very smart oh yeah whiz is extremely smart so his name is whiz like people don't know how smart he is he's like extremely smart 21 7000

literally taught himself how to fly airplanes that's kind of crazy like watching YouTube tutorials he knows everything like their personas are not who they are yeah like if you could teach me something I'm I'm fucking with that I like that yeah I think that's probably one of the best qualities any any man could have for sure 100% that's dope yeah I need to go read some books sapiens I'm gonna um well you should you can get it on audio do you like audio yeah yeah okay so i'll send you the link send me link i'll get it okay it's and change your life i'm ready i'm ready for what does it like change my life in what way though it's just gonna open your mind up to thinking like like so it's about humans i'm assuming yeah it's it's called a brief

history of humankind so it's i'm into that kind of stuff yeah it's it's dope the first couple pages you're gonna be like oh shit it's a it's a new york bestseller I'll read it tonight You'll love it I'm dead serious Yeah I'll hit you up later Yeah text me and be like Yo this shit's fucking whatever

Yeah well thank you so much for coming for real Thanks for having me And making the time and fucking Absolutely Thanks to the team Thank you guys as well If you ever need anything for me I'm more than happy to help

Same yeah whatever Whatever you need yeah Yeah that's it Every Tuesday I love you guys I'll see you guys next time She's stole my seat This is the craziest I've never ever done a podcast like this before

but maybe it'll happen again. So yeah, thank you so much. Thank you.