RAWTALK - Bradley Martyn Confronts Mike Majlak...

Episode Date: October 1, 2024

On this weeks episode of RAW TALK, Brad sits down with Mike Majlak & talks Diddy, Logan Paul Vs. Bradley Martyn, Mike's Encounter with God & much more! Hope you guys enjoy, see you next Tuesday! Sponsored by: Versa GrippsUse code "BRADLEY15" for 15% OFF Versa Gripps Here: https://www.versagripps.com/collections/versa-gripps?utm_source=event&utm_medium=other&utm_campaign=bradley_june_2024

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Let's get back into this podcast. I've literally been shitting my pants all day today, dude. Like, actually, like, like, actually, I had Fat Burger at, like, 2.30 last night. Because I was, and it just didn't, it just hasn't been cooperating. Like, were you fart and you shit a little bit? You're like, fine, there's been a couple today. But I even woke up this morning, dude, and, like, first thing right off the bad rip it like you know those days we're just straight ripping ass all day yeah it's only because

i eat some fucked up shit so we probably eat a lot of protein yeah they'd have been died in like crazy what does that look like i mean right now i feel like i eat like twice a day big meals yep but so would you would you call it like intermittent fat are you fasting i've always done fasting my like entire life like before i i think i remember being a kid and being like being like like after school, I sometimes wouldn't even eat during school and then I wouldn't eat until like after I did something outside. Just naturally I've always kind of like adopted not eating until I did some sort of activity. Not eating until until you're hungry kind of because I'm sure the activity promotes. Yeah for sure. But also like I was just you know like now it's like just

busyness and then I'm like okay now I need to eat. Yeah. But now it's like I'll still I'll try and get food in after I train. So what's your what's your current window? storming like two o'clock so i say like i was probably started eating around like two or three o'clock and then eat till like eight yeah my my i eat till eight i'm supposed to but then i'll like eat till like 10 really me literally exact except for last night when i did have but but what are you eating that's fucking your stomach up fat burger fat so last night i was at this uh this like dinner like you know always kind of in the mix and doing shit and like last night i was at this dinner at this place called Verse, which is a new restaurant that opened inside a recording studio here in

LA with this, with this massive, um, music producer that's done like Kent, a ton of Kendrick, Biggie, Puff Daddy. Oh, here we go. You know, back in the days, this dude's a fucking legend, uh, in the music space. So he had this, uh, he, he, he has this restaurant now and I had dinner there last night. And I was like, yo, you should let me do 1010 burger one night here at the, as like a special item yeah and he's like well let's pair it with a wine so i'd have fat burger brought in to try to like start to have them get the idea of what wine would pair with the burger and that led

to me shitting my pants all day today yeah that doesn't sound good speaking in fucking ditty dude crazy i mean the whole world just seems to be like losing its mind right now i mean i feel like every time i come on we have that conversation and it's just getting worse and it keeps getting worse but i personally i feel like i've i've been uh uh I've been removing myself from it more and more. And so, like, one of those things, like, right off the bat is just, like, kind of using X-Less. Yeah. It's just, it's just, like, I mean, I mean, let's say, I guess let's stay on track for a second.

So the diddy, the ditty thing is crazy. But it's also not, it's also not surprising. Everybody knew, everybody knew that, that this dude was a, a lunatic, right? Yeah, yeah. I was talking about this the other day. Like, remember the old Chappelle show? skits where he's like of course it's like the funniest shit and they knew back then that it was crazy the thing that's crazy about it though is like why now like why now is it like it's a problem

things are bad it's like why why i've said it now okay so that question is a good segue into this like into like this greater conversation where everything has to be conspiracized right i'm not saying that you're doing that, but like, but like, you wouldn't have to go very far on X right now to find somebody who would be like, oh, yeah, you know, like the Jew, you know, it would say it always goes back to the Jews. Yeah. It always goes back somehow. Everything.

Everything. It's like, it's like even a lot of the shit. Bro. I mean, it is what it is. I don't, it's, you're, okay, okay. So I don't, we're going to continue to trickle too far off and let's attack each thing and get back really quick. So the Jews own everything.

everything. When you look at specific things, trying to find things that the Jews own, the Jews own everything. It is what it is. I can give, I can make a similar statement right now that says black people own everything. And I will find enough businesses to present to you for that case to be a real example. Bro, bro, it's all in how you paint the picture. You could do same for Indian you could do the same thing you could do the same thing for Indian CEOs and presidents of of Silicon Valley bro it's it's people have this whole and by the way let me ask you this question go here's an interesting question if the Jews own everything well so what what does that mean well I'm not saying that needs anything specifically right it's a thing okay now here I'll

play the other side really quick go ahead it is kind of crazy they do own a lot of shit They do own a lot of shit But every they do not own every What I'm the one I'm getting I'm obviously they don't own everything Is those absolutes are what is running the conversation right now on online You know what I'm saying? Those those apps going back one more step to Diddy now right?

We know the dudes a sicko There's no surprise there. Okay. But now If you just so happen to run into him at Super Bowl in 1998 and take a picture with them, yeah yeah all of a sudden you're a part of it no that that is where it gets crazy you dude you're you're fucked like think about that how crazy that you could be the most upstanding citizen never did

anything wrong but you just so happen to really like you know a song that puffy produced or something so you took a quick picture with them on like a disposable camera 98 now you're a now people are trying to search your basement yeah dude you know what I'm saying like that part that's where things get crazy it's like these absolute statements like like even the whole thing even if you really want to this is this thing with diddy is one example of like kind of where it's deserved because we already know that he beat the living shit out of a woman on video you see there's no coming back from that bro we know enough to be true that the picture that's being painted on x right now or or wherever or instagram or whatever it is you you can I'm

cool with that it's not like some situation where it's just allegations we know this dude's a sicko a thousand bottles of lube his his his lawyer went on tv today before before we get in we're going to continue but the people use baby oil for lube i didn't even know that was a thing dude i think i used to do that when i was like 18 or like when i first started having sex i've used i've used coconut oil and i've used loo yeah i think it used to be like a thing until like lube was super accessible and like almost like a like it wouldn't be weird to have lube like now i just buy like i want to have lube i just buy i mean for most of my life i just like would get dome first and then that would be the loop yeah you know what i'm saying like that that was the way

that's that's how it's got to be done no that's the way we always did i would thought spit was was but it's not sanitary that's the issue it's it's believed to be not the most sanitary approach to intercourse spit yeah but that's just that's the most natural way you know that's what it's what it's always seemed like to me but then i started recently probably as of the past maybe two to three years using lube and it really it really does make the experience you can't use too much though some people use like way too much you can't you can't use too much you have to use like the right amount okay because that because otherwise you because wow this we've gone all over the place yeah yeah no it's for the the goal

the goal is to utilize as much of the naturally produced Loub as possible. Wow, you're like a box scientist. Because that's the best stuff. Like the naturally produced stuff is the best stuff, right? Yeah, of course. But, but. I'm trying to, like, think out how to say,

but like some people are, some people are eight years into a relationship. And the idea that like post Appleby's sex, the wife is just going to be fucking soaked has kind of gone out the window. You know what I'm saying? So they're relying a little bit more on, on the artificial lubrication.

Exactly, yeah, for sure. Exactly. This is so funny one from there to a thousand bottles. So his lawyer went on the news today and gave a press conference. He's like people watching in bulk. He likes to buy in bulk. Yeah, there's a Costco down the street. Wait till the Costco guys here.

hear that one bro. Bro, I couldn't believe it. He picked up a chicken bake, a double chunk chunk of chip and a thousand bottles of baby oil, bro. The world is so crazy right now, man. It's certainly a wild time, bro. It's certainly a wild time. It's, uh, it's, it's been, it's, it's, it's very interesting.

It's like, uh, but like I said, I've kind of removed myself from it. It's, I was just talking to somebody just now on, on the way over here. And I said, uh, it's so funny because, a lot of the people who are really big on X right now are products of the anti-woke and anti-cancel culture 100%

which is great and it's great that the pendulum has swung back I mean you're seeing people now do some fucked up shit and nobody even cares like like the pendulum has really really swung a lot yeah but a lot of those people who are super intent on canceling the woke mob have become the woke mob it's the weirdest thing it's the weirdest thing

i've ever seen where in what sense of like in regards to the the way that they act like as a as like a one this is it like in absolutes it just it just feels like it feels like the majority of the content that i see when i sign on to x every day is someone feigning an authoritarian knowledge that they have that other people don't have. It's almost like a giant dick swinging contest, right? Like the, you know, the, the Muslims are telling the Christians that they don't practice right and, and, and, you know, this dude from the fresh and fit is saying, this girl's a whore and that girl's a whore and you're a pussy for dating a whore.

And it's just such a, it's such a baseless, ridiculous conversation that happened. And by the way, there's no outcome. and you never even know why people are saying it because they're because okay so even all the people that are the biggest movement right now obviously is like the anti-Israel movement right it's this massive movement okay and all day you know you've got the experts in the space the real experts professor level experts for example Jake shields come on those are the thought leaders on the anti-Israel movement right now. Okay, so just hear me out.

Professor Lovell. Just hear me out for a second. I don't understand at what point you take all of this movement that you've garnered, all of the attention that you've garnered, and go to legislation. Go, go, go. How many calls have been made to senators? How many, how many walkout? have been done.

How many of these people who are super vocal about Netanyahu and Israel have been to Capitol Hill and said, yo, I'm going to stand here until something changes.

Meet me outside. You know what I'm saying? Let's actually take real action because at the end of the day, when you don't do that, a lot of times it starts to feel more like clicks. You know what I'm saying? And views.

And listen, like, that's not to take away from the work that, that they're doing and nothing about Jake, but like I never anticipated that he would be a thought leader in the global geopolitical warfare theater. It just never struck out to me.

If I wanted to find out more about rolling, 100%. I would ask him. It's just, I don't, I guess I'm curious as to how these specific individuals rose to their newfound expertise. Well, it's algorithm. The thing in it all that I see is like,

And like we said, it's not to take away from any sort of movement or trying to make things better from whatever perspective you're coming from. But it has become a thing where, you know, like the rage bait shit where it's like, I know that I can say this. And because maybe not everyone is saying this or because enough people are saying this or agreeing with this, that if I say this, I'll get attention. I'll get clicks. I'll get views. I'm going to continue saying these things because I see the algorithm. Like I'm seeing the effect from it. Like there's no denying that there's tons of accounts, especially on X, that I'll go on

and people will just say shit knowing that they're going to either get a ton of hate or a ton of both ways. It's just farming. Yeah. I think it's just farming to a degree where it's like, okay, I'm also now building a business on side of this, which makes the whole thing feel so interesting and weird to me because then I'm like, you're, the thought is you're mad, you're upset, something's happening that's bad in the world and you're trying to bring light to it and I can respect and I can

understand that but then there comes this like we said right now okay well are you going to actually try and make real change or is it just your parody in the things that you know we'll get people to say yeah and then you're monetizing it like which no like the biggest example is the is the hinkle dude i don't know if you've seen him he so he he he's he led the charge like this is pre shields pre who else is like big on the on the is real stuff uh i mean i mean sneak obviously who I speak to Sneko here and there and I actually have him and I him and I just happen to like disagree on certain things but I don't I like I like him I have no reason to dislike him I'm not front we're not friends because we don't see each other

but he doesn't seem like a bad person it just a lot of this stuff like for all of these guys and same with Jake and and anybody else that's doing it it's just like a lot of it sometimes seems like it is that bait that more of that bait and it's like and also of this like um the the uh what's oh like edge lord shit now we're like we're like everybody's kind of like calling each other like the f slur oh man and like and like i'm not going to say it here i maybe i would say behind the scenes like not that one but maybe i'll call somebody a fucking all you know what i'm say like but now they're dropping all those on and it feels like every tweet that goes out.

Which one would you say behind the seats? I'm trying to figure out which one is. Bro, honestly, I might say all. Like when you're playing. But I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I prefer not to say that online. Yeah, I get it. But it's like, but it's like, I don't know. It's just, it's such a tricky.

Yeah, it's weird. Time out there. And I, and I, and I don't, I don't, I don't villainize anyone, really. You know what I'm saying? It's, it's, it's, it's, I'm sure everybody's doing it for whatever reason. But, but, but in my eyes is like, okay on the substance abuse stuff right i've talked about substance for a long time i'm now finally making the right relationships to get to washington to start to

push for bills that can get things to be better you know what i'm saying like it's like it's like if you truly have passion for a topic and and and Palestinian lives are are are are a thought on your mind 24 seven and you're that passionate about the topic like what is the real change that could be enacted to or push forward to better the the environment i get it you know well i don't know maybe maybe maybe behind the scenes are doing it by the way yeah yeah maybe they maybe they're doing that type of stuff behind the scenes i i just don't know but um but yeah i feel like we have this ex conversation every time uh i come on i i have just kind of removed myself i've seen you gotten better because i see less of you going back and forth because i'll see you

reply to shit and i'll just be like oh yeah i know and people would call me like every day and be like dude what are you doing yeah why are you arguing with by the way the person you arguing with that's 216 followers on twitter like what are you doing yeah man but it just i don't know i think like i think like long story short it all kind of rolls up into x is kind of theater yeah it kind of just is theater right and so like when someone when someone says something that's just super like every day there's a different different thing. Today, for example,

I woke up one of the first posts I saw was a picture of Puff Daddy and Kobe. Just, you know, Kobe ran into Puff Daddy. Yeah. Took a picture with him, right? Let's see what this is, you know, let's see what this is about. And then, you know, the caption on it's like, this picture taken days before Kobe's death,

curious as to why he died right after this picture was taken, right? So I'm like, here we fucking go. So I scroll down. and somebody in the comments is like Vanessa knew too much knew Kobe knew too much

so he she had him taken out and then somebody else responds to it but why take out the daughter and then someone responds and I'm like dude at the end of the day this is theater this is this is the warped brains

of a select group of people who believe that that life is a science fiction movie you know what I'm saying they get off of on it. They get off on that stuff. They get off on the idea that that that Kobe's wife had him killed because of something he found out about puff daddy's lube. You know what I'm saying? That's in their mind, bro, in Iowa or wherever they're at. That's the story they want to play

with that day. So then they go and post it. So now when I go on X, I don't read a single thing on X that I believe. I don't believe a single single thing I read on there. It's just all theater. It's just all feeder. Even with screenshots, I don't believe. it do not believe it dude yeah it's tough man but it's that's kind of sad though because all the other platforms are like this this can you know there's you're censored you're censored you're like things will be fucking if you say this you say that and that's just like a i don't know man i just feel like we're getting to a really weird space where you know we have i'm not this is not trying to make it's political at all but we have one candidate that is saying like what you know basically

Elon Musk is saying on his platform should be dealt with because because it's a privilege to be able to have this platform and be able to say these things and like talking about free speech. And that's one of my greatest concerns just after the whole COVID thing was that would we go back to some situation where the government has more control or say on what we say and what we're able to say?

And I just have like real fear in like the long-term movement of that, that like literal free speech and be able to say what you say when it's not in line with. what do you okay let's just do a quick exercise what do you want to say right you you as a person and and maybe it's not the best exercise because you don't represent everybody right but let's just take you for example what do you want to say that you feel like you can't say on on instagram youtube or give you an example yeah when i was talking about covid sure yeah i was getting absolutely shadow now it's affecting my business it's affecting my money yep

and maybe i did pick the right person to ask because you because that was a huge a huge deal and and they wanted me to close out my gym like it was like it was affecting me in real time in real life in real ways and then i go to talk about it on my youtube and my videos is literally shadow ban like i just i like i've literally felt it 100 percent i think i think it's so weird dude because like you have to like i dealt with it on the internet and in person you have you have to almost like pick an approach in a lot of ways in life right and so like so like morally morally people tell us and we kind of tell ourselves that the morally right thing to do is speak our truth always yeah but as you just said this is not I'm not only a content

creator to speak my truth I'm not fucking Aristotle bro this is a business this is a fucking business, bro, just like it's a business for you and every single other creator out there. So at some point, you need to make a decision. There's a lot of shit that I wish I could say. There's shit that you know

that's been going on in my life for the past six months that has nothing to do with cancel culture or or censorship that I'm fucking pissed about, bro. You know my situation. You know exactly what I've been dealing with for for for the past six months it's been a fucking daily terror bro yeah that's been driving me

crazy but because of a because of a business decision that has nothing to do with content or personality or anything as you know yeah i don't i can't talk about it now i can say because i really want to talk about it that i'm going to go and say it but then i can't really be angry when it affects my business or when it affects my money do you know what i'm saying it's it's so it almost feels like luckily there are now engines that support that type of freedom of speech like X like other streaming services that allow you to say and do whatever you want I just personally have never had that much of a problem staying within the boundaries because there's really nothing there's really nothing that I feel so pushed to say like I don't wake up

in the morning like fuck man the jews ruined my day today i got to go fucking talk about it you know what i'm saying like the jews didn't ruin my day today bros maybe the jews did ruin someone's day and they should go talk about it but like for me covid was stupid i had a fucking show a card everywhere i went i had to do all this shit they i got the shit bro my i was forced to get this sucks now now fucking god forbid you know i ever had to find a girl again and she was a uh one of those like uh hippie vegans and she's like tainted blood yeah yeah you will not procreate my child you know what i'm saying yeah so now i got to settle only for the other 80% of the world you know what i'm saying that that did get i didn't really want to get it yeah i didn't

really want to get it bro no no congrats bro and and and like you know i'm feeling a little Claudey right now. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But like, but what I'm saying is this, none of that shit, I didn't really feel like I had to go and talk about it.

Not because I wanted, I just didn't want to. I want to talk about shit that I find enjoyable that I like, that I like to talk about. I get it. Burgers, movies, travel. So,

so when I have struggles in my own life, guess what? None of this shit is new. Your, my grandmother had to wait in the soup line during the Great Depression. she didn't go on Twitter like yo fuck the Jews you know what I'm saying like she she did it and then she went back on her way and lived a much happier life than these people who spend their entire days tweeting about the fucking Jews yeah well we're talking about two

separate things though like kind of oh what censorship censorship right because censorship to me is like yeah I mean obviously like not everyone's going to be riled up about certain topics they're not going to be talking about every topic but the idea and the concept in general that the government, what they deem is misinformation needs to be dealt with in some manner. That's a problem because clearly we know that, like, are we trusting the government that is constantly in debt? I don't trust. I don't trust.

I swear to you, dude, I don't, when I tell you to me, it's all theater, when I read anything, I don't care if it's somebody you deem to be a trusted source, that's a trusted source. I don't trust anybody. I trust Fox News, as much as I trust the data that Jake Shields has, as much as I trust the data that anybody has because do you want to know why because now everyone is monetized everyone is monetized and if any one of those people anyone tries to claim that their approach towards content and messaging and their data is not affected by their monetization tactics they're fucking lying dude they are lying 100% unless that's why Elon's a little bit harder to fuck with because

he doesn't need the money. Yeah. But everybody that's producing content to produce content is at least in some way affected by their sponsors if or monetization strategy. Yeah. You get to you get to people, bro, that even goes all the way up to Tate. That goes to Tate even. Of course.

He's got his school, his, his, and, and this is not a knock. This is just a business thing. He's always said, like, I have no master. I am my own master. but at the end of the day, bro, he knows what's going to push subscriptions. So even if he maybe feels a little bit differently about something, maybe he feels a little bit softer that day about a topic from the past. Maybe he doesn't say it because he's also just at the whim of Montessation.

So I don't trust anybody. I really don't unless it's a face-to-face conversation that I'm having with you offline. Yeah, I get it. But that's like that concept in relationship to the government being in control of what they de-misinformation is the worst because you're talking about like the biggest. thing in our world, in our immediate world that affects and takes money from everyone and then prints money and sends it here and sends it there. And now we're saying the conglomerate, the controlling factor in this country that has constantly put us in debt and continues to

is going to control what we can and can't say or what they call information. Okay. So if it's not a monetization thing for you, let's go back to you specifically. Yeah. If it doesn't put money in your pockets to talk about those topics, what's your goal? what's my goal in life no what's your what's your goal with these conversations and I ask this question to anybody who's fighting the government right now I mean I'm not fighting no I know you're not no I know you're not but but the question is what are you what are you actually trying to accomplish the government has been fucking the people of this country since the inception of this country it's not a new thing by the way the government started fucking the people of this country

before it was even a country they came and took it from the people who fucking I know the fucking natives I know do you feel what I'm saying so it's like how much time do so so my strategy has always been I'm going to work around this shit I'm not going to go I'm not going to go head up it's like all these people that are uh pro pro I'm pro gun because I want to provide a ready militia in case the government gets too strong okay cool good luck with your 50 round AR 15 when they come with a fucking Apache fucking helicopter to your house and level your entire neighborhood with a hellfire missile, okay? No, that's not me.

I'm working around it. I'm going where they're not. I don't want to go head to head with these people. Right, but you're suck. You're, okay. Because also, because I don't make money off it. If you're making money off it, like the people we're talking about on X that are getting paid to be anti-government, then I'm fine with that because that's a business.

I don't make money off that. I make money off cheeseburgers. I get it. You know what I'm saying? money off gyms, but that's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about, if you ask me my goal in that sense is, is at least preserving healthy discourse. And that's the biggest thing.

It's like having conversation with someone who doesn't agree with what you're saying, or if someone says this or the government says that, but then this other data is referencing or showing this, like shouldn't we able to say, hey, well, maybe this is true. That's not the only thing true. Do you think that if censorship were to be removed from all of the platforms and, okay, for example,

yeah, X's is semi-uncensored or- I already know where you're going to believe to be. You've seen a lot of healthy discourses there? You see a lot of healthy, Brad, you sign it on, seeing a bunch of, like, holy shit, wow, that was an intriguing argument from that side. Let's hear what the other side has to say. But Twitter is a harder space for that.

A shit show. But it's the type of content you can put on Twitter is like it begs for that like negativity. It really does. Not that all platform is kind of doing away. But like YouTube, for example, it's not the same thing as like a Twitter where I could tweet something.

I know I'm going to rile people to fuck up. You're going to make a video. It's longer form you could speak, but still on platforms like that. If I put in the caption back in the day, my title, COVID in my gym, my shit just would have disappeared on the fucking, you know what I'm saying?

It's gone. So like that's what I'm speaking. to obviously i can't directly talking about twitter yeah i think the way that that that social media specifically is set up is it's hell it's hell for this me eland even said it's the pvp of fucking social media like it is it literally is like we're fucking attacking i just do i just don't but in all social media platforms it's like should should we have should the government be being like well i think this information miss no way bro like that's just closer and closer No, I don't think the government should.

I think the, it depends on what we're talking about. Let's look at another example. In a time where we're in really the advent in the earliest days of AI, things are going to start getting really fucked up. I know. I know, man. I've already had a number of commercials promoting products that I've never even seen before with ads spent behind them.

You? Oh, yeah. My face, my mouth, my whole ass shit, bro. promoting, and I've had to do takedowns with legal and everything. AI is a problem, a real, it's a solution, but it's a problem. I'll make a prediction right now. This will be a long-tailed prediction. Similarly to the way that I've always said that these, social media, those two are bigger

problems than they are solutions, AI will be the same thing. AI will be the same thing. It will, it will be, it will be an incredible solution, but it will, but it will include a, a severe number of, of very, very problematic situations for everything, for Homeland Security, for government, for social media, for, for everything. It is going to be a fucking nightmare. Yeah. So, so my question is, like, who gets involved from.

from a censorship standpoint, when a video of Kamala Harris saying some really messed up shit, right, comes out, right? Like who, like, where does election interference come in? Where do, you know what I'm saying? Like, how does that work? Like, like, do you, these are questions. Do you promote that to or of Trump? if a video comes out of Trump

I'm going to indict every American and they're all going to like comes out what do you do in that situation and you see that's okay 10 million views 26 million views every comment Trump promotes project 2025 like he wants to kill all babies like he said it in this video what what

what is the right outcome in that scenario you just let it go I see what you're saying or does the or does the onus to combat that fall on the platform owner do you understand what i'm saying like yeah of course you know i mean i'm i know x will say that all it doesn't none of it matters because it's all just controlled by the jews but yeah no but seriously but who does it who does that fall on i see what you're saying

not the government i don't think the government should be involved in i agree that's i think yeah i don't think the government should be involved in anything yeah i mean clearly they've proven to be pro They prove them to be terrible at everything. Yeah, that's insane, man. So I just don't think the government should have a hand in that. I think obviously there should be some moderation to things. But, like, you know, if it's a clear, if a platform just like should be able to recognize, at least I think, based on metadata, wherever how it's uploaded,

it has to recognize that this is a doctored content. I do think what Elon did with community notes is great. I think that that's a very interesting engine. but I and I and I I I'm I don't know enough about it to to say for sure whether or not it could be compromised or swayed by way of bias or money I don't know I don't know enough about how the community note system works um but I do like that is based on vote like people voting I think you have to be uh accepted into the community notes program as a community notes like contributor and I believe and then you can then place notes and then I also believe that there is a vote on the community note where it says like was this helpful

is that what it says? I think so yeah it's not like Wikipedia where you can just make up whatever you want right? No, no I think you need to be like an actual contributor but who are these people so that's the thing like I just don't know and I think my goal lately has been once again I know it won't sound like here on the show today

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you felt about me after because we certainly had like a little period of time where we like didn't speak and I didn't fully understand it but I also like didn't love that because I consider you to be a good friend and so I didn't I didn't fully understand like what was going on or like why it was happening so I just wanted to kind of like run the whole thing back a little bit

and just try to better understand like where you were at are at now I think because I think because initially the whole thing was like I was just about it and I didn't care that it was put anywhere and immediately you're like on the internet and so I was like what is like

what is this so that was my initial reaction was like the whole point was like i said some shit a lot of shit was said about me we're okay we showed up we did it and then the whole point was that was it which is why i cut the cameras have no footage of anything and then immediately it's like boom twitter this shit you know publicized because that was never my intention i know that i hear you i think i think there's a lot of things that i've done as all of us have for for content that like if i could go back and maybe do it a little bit differently or not do it. I would.

I started shooting that video like prior to the actual alterc. There was no part of me that actually thought that was going to happen. Like I really, I really want to like revisit that, but let me get through this part first. And what I got out of it and also was able to, uh, storytell at the end, which was basically my utter and outright, respect for you as a as a man i thought you know dovetailed it nicely enough to package it as a piece that was going to showcase this showdown this animosity but this kind of softer ending and

also this this respect between the two people now of course the the the the beauty of long form content on YouTube is lost when it's pulled into a 22 second clip on TikTok or Twitter, one of which I posted, you know, like I'm partially responsible for the loss of context as well. But, but I think in my eyes, I always, I always hoped that it was a piece that said, yo, Brad stepped up, like in a, in a meaningful fucking way, which, which you heard me say on, you know, multiple podcasts that I did afterwards on that episode that I put out personally. I did not think that fight was going to happen. When I was shooting that,

when I was shooting all of that pre pre-cool stuff, all of the pre-roll, Logan is about to be a dad. He's a business owner. Everything to him is like, okay, like, yeah, I'll do the fight, but what's the paycheck look like and blah, blah, blah. And you, you, I don't think I had, like, the real date on.

I don't think I really knew if you would show up or not show up. I knew, I knew, like, you would talk about it, but I didn't know if it really came. So I shot it as if that middle, that part where there was actually a fight would never happen. I just shot it because it was going to be a cool YouTube video where it's like, dude, there's all this animosity, let's clickbait it and get it out the door for a weekly video,

wash my hands of it. Yeah. The day when we showed up at the gym, I mean, I was, I was in shock. I could not believe the demeanor of both. people I was even more so more shocked with yours because you were extremely calm which you don't see often in in amateur fights and especially street fights like people get riled up beforehand they're not going to make it through a contract signing if there's animosity between two people they're going to fight yeah and you are extremely calm extremely

objective like I said no cameras let's get rid of the cameras like sign the papers like whatever and that was that was that was to me and i know you look back at it and you didn't like that it was content but like to me that was very intriguing content to see the mind of a man prior to fighting someone who's been in a number of real fights and i thought that that was worth showing so there wasn't a part of me where i was like where i was like any of this could be deemed embarrassing to brad like to me objectively it was a piece that made both people manly and and squash beef in a really cool way yeah I mean it was fun I just got tired it was that simple I was tired bro yeah I ain't gonna for sure it was tired couldn't be me I'll tell you

that much what what's happened recently this what's this whole like everyone hates YouTubers for making products now it's pretty interesting the lunchly thing I think some guy just went hard on though I think he was like oh why not make it healthier I think it's just another representation of this this like desire by the way insane trio like what the fuck nuts dude yeah you get any equity in that one of course sorry by the way by the way i don't even i don't deserve it right it's just like i mean the i just i just don't no no it is i know i've been all over that it it it was a pain point for a while but like it's just it it is what it is i'm only saying it because you were saying it about the whole privacy for

I know. I know. Well, Prime felt a little bit more just the deal with Prime is the reason for the prime situation is it's, it's so heavily promoted on every impulsive episode. Yeah. So as a owner of impulsive, that's where that kind of conversation comes in. And it's like, okay, we've had like, I think like six or seven like billion impressions as a result of the on impulsive. I get it. So that's, it's, it's just, that's like, and I was there real, was that clip real where he was drinking air? No, dude, it might have been. No, I don't know.

I saw, he, bro, the kid drinks prime all the time. It's like, we all drink prime all the time. I usually have maybe one a day. Okay. Like, that's kind of like where I'm at and then the rest of it's water. But like, I don't know. He might have had a, he might have not known that the bottle was empty. And then like, say you're on a show that a million people are going to watch.

And you go and you take a sip out of an empty bottle. you're not going to look at it and be like oh shit the bottle's empty like maybe you're just going to go through with the motion and put it down and it probably made them look like an idiot bro people love people love i mean people just like attacking that guy 100% i actually almost feel bad for j j and and and jimmy because they're like well j i know jimmy's jimmy's getting it anyways right now heavy so it's like he's going through it jj just finds everything funny that's the cool thing about him he doesn't give a shit he finds every he doesn't care what you say he just thinks everything's hilarious and he'll make a reaction video to and it'll be hilarious

right but i mean dude listen like i think people i think people really just want to be mad at something you know what i'm saying yeah i can agree with you why back to the same stories before people got businesses bro people got businesses and they know that going after logan paul and his new product is a click magnet it just is bro it's it's okay okay for the past 50 years craft has spent billions and billions and billions of dollars promoting luncheables to a children audience every single day yeah kids see ads for lunchables parents see them kids see them but mostly for kids like let's it's Nickelodeon Nickelodeon Nickelodeon not one of these people has ever

called out craft the advertising agencies Nickelodeon anyone for dumping billions of dollars of child focus advertising into a product probably some people on X half for sure really find me someone that called out craft recently for fucking promoting lunchebles I highly doubt you're going to find what you're saying though because you're relating it to the click because no one would care yeah no one would give a shit so then the second logan j j j and jimmy put out even a slightly more healthy if you want to call into that and the question whatever i don't care i have no equity i don't give a shit like go go for it but the second they put this product out all of a sudden you're captain save a kid you know what i'm

saying and you're going to go out there and white and go crazy trying to bring down fucking three YouTubers because you're pissed off they created a snack yeah it's funny what kind of life is that i get i get what kind of fucking life is it where was that when i get craft put out you know all the all this other shit yeah i mean i can't even deny that it always ends up being the same thing it's always like the other person's intentions are some sort of game that's why i don't believe shit yeah that's why and more importantly like I've said I've had some takes to maybe consider slightly

whatever somebody want to respond to them maybe I don't know right but when I make my content I don't I travel eat food go to cool places hang out with cool people

and I don't cause trouble I don't respond to these dudes on Twitter some of these fucking little shows respond to all my tweets look at this dude Bob, I don't respond to any of them. I don't respond to any of them because I don't feel the need to respond to anyone. And guess what that gives me in return?

Peace. Peace sometimes, but guess what else? A lot of shit. Not very many views. Yeah. Not very many views. And everybody says, Mike Malak likes to ride the fence because that's what keeps his sponsors safe. You know what gets your sponsors now?

Views. Views. You know what gets your views? Pissing people off. Picking aside. Candice Owens. You know what I'm saying? like crowded. Those people are making more money than anybody because they chose aside.

They sparked a fire in a in a in a siloed audience or or in a biased audience and those people convert on anything Candace Owen sells. Those people will buy any they are so engaged with their content. So when you look at me and you say, oh, you're a fence sitter because you want to protect your money. Being a fence sitter costs me everything. Being a fence sitter costs me everything. If I, after the Trump interview and he promoted my book, if I went nutcase pro Trump, pro right, Elon, I'm going to be hanging out with the knelt boys every day fucking chewing zins. I could be fucking making millions of fucking dollars, bro. Millions of dollars, bro.

But you know what? It's pretty funny. I'm a fence sitter. And do you want to know why I didn't do that? Because I don't want to. It's not because I don't, it's not because I'm scared. I don't want, there's no desire in me to go be a political proponent for anything because I'd rather go to Singapore

and make an episode of the night shift about why Singapore is a place that will change your mind about Southeast Asia and how cool the hawkers are and how you can get a one-star Michelin meal there for six bucks. This was Anthony Bourdain's favorite stall. The country's cleaner. You can't chew gum there.

There's no vaping allowed. You can't chew gum there. You can't chew gum there. What the fuck? Exactly. I would rather talk about cool stuff like that. And then the next month I'm in another country. And I'm showing you what Australia is like, you know, the content of Australia is like, or I'm going to, you know, where I'm supposed to go to Shanghai coming up soon, I'm going to Abu Dhabi soon.

Like, that's the content I like to make because guess what? Aspirationally, I would have wanted someone in my old shoes to tell me, bro, guess what? Someday you're going to be flying every single. week in first class. Everywhere you go, you're going to be flying Emirates first class. And when you arrive, someone's going to pick you up in a fucking Rose Royce

or they're going to set up you dinner here where nobody else can get in. I'll go eat an alchemist. There's a 10,000 name waiting list for that restaurant. You can't eat there. It's one of the most, it's the hardest restaurant in the world to eat at. The movie, the menu was made after it. Where is that? Where is that in Denmark? Copenhagen. Like, that's the shit I like to do, bro.

Because I, because guess what? You can maybe do it. if you if if you move some pieces around you uh become best friends with a celebrity no like if you move some pieces around you do some right things in life you can have some of this shit too and i would run i would want to show you that i want you to know where the coolest hotel in katar is you know what i'm saying it's it's called the waldorf it's right on the water on the fucking gulf sea in katar it's got a room that's what they built a cold room there where there's snow that falls from the ceiling and builds up so when you leave the hot

tub you go in there and your robe and you're in a room that has artificial snow oh that sounds dope bro that's the shit i like to do i'm trying to find the coolest lazy river i'm trying to find the best food that you can eat in texas so when i go to when i go to um haddy bees chicken in nashville they open the door for me and they say come back let's get you what you want when i go to terry blacks in austin and i'm like this is the best barbecue i've ever had let me show you guys how it's made that's what i like to make i don't want to argue with sneko about the jews i don't want to it's not that i'm not saying it's not a valid topic i just don't want to do it i get you and so so it's weird because that that that that taboo stuff that's not so taboo anymore clearly

is like driving the most traffic the negativity's driving the most traffic i mean that's not a surprise um and not even that that that topic is negative or not but when when did that shift really start happening i feel like the last two years it's like negative negative like Sneko, for example, right? Are these content creators that are, that are, yeah, that are like canceled from other platforms that then garner a ton of attention

on specific platforms like Twitter or, you know, in this case, we're talking about Sneco, so like Rumble, right? Their specific audience niche. Well, Andy just got it. I'm unbanded on Twitch. Oh, yeah, I saw that too.

So, and I just recently, I don't know why I saw, Saul Hassan hated that. I did. I just saw that clip, too. So funny. But anyway. Well, I mean,

they're, I mean, they're on opposite ends of the aisle. And so it's like, so like I see, but once again, it's like, Asan knows what he's doing. He's a master, bro. Yeah. He's a, he's a fucking master. And, and Sico the same. You know what I'm saying?

They know how to ruffle people's feathers on both on the opposite side, right? For clicks, reviews for money, you know? And, and I'm sure some of it is, I'm sure some of it is in their heart. I'm not, I'm not calling them fully, I'm not in any way saying that they're fully commercialized, but they do know how to. get clicks. Sorry, you were saying, when did the, when did it? So, yeah, so I'm saying like, you know, it's an interesting take because like those, those are the things when, you know, like, for example, someone will say, oh, I talk about this stuff and I'm not afraid to talk

about this stuff and I'm talking about this stuff and everyone else is pussy and they're afraid to talk about this stuff, right? That narrative. But that narrative also seems to be one of the most lucrative narratives, which is, I just find interesting. It's this, it goes back to exactly what I was just saying like this idea that like the the neutral fence sitter is is doing so to protect sponsorships the most money right now who the biggest money right now is like who's making the most money online right now aid aid in aiden has been making the crazy money for ages right yeah that dude's a psychopath if you want to make money saying crazy shit you can make money saying crazy shit like like this idea that you that you that you

you have to remain neutral on topics that maybe back in the day, maybe they're still operating off of old school beliefs because there probably was a time five, six years ago online where- I think more so television. Television was the time when it was like you had to lie because otherwise they just literally wouldn't put you on it. And it was always and it was always it wasn't that you had a lie. It more so felt like no, not lie. I mean, lie on that side. like you have no it was i don't think they i don't i don't believe in this narrative that it almost goes back to like the jew thing right like like taylor swift is a zionist plant type shit like like i don't think that that the networks ever wanted people to say specifically

they did at times i'm not going to say that they that people weren't pushed to say a certain thing but I think the the main goal was don't piss off either half more audience do you know what I'm saying but I feel like I feel like those the we talk about these sort of mainstream publications like they had their specific audience and they knew what it was so they would only have it wasn't it wasn't the case back in the day that that's new the idea that the idea that only but how new uh 2008 that's how new it is 2010 when when when when super ultra-biased conversations became the norm. Like, think about it, bro.

Like, when I was in 2006 or 2004, probably some of that most heavily viewed programs were still sitcoms, friends, Wheel of Fortune, like stuff like that, right? Like, like, where those programs are very non-biased programs. Like, you've got, you've got, you've got left and right watching it the same. So, of course, it would be in, in, in the writers, the producers of the show, the network's desire to remain neutral, not, not biased towards either side, neutral in those conversations. Then, then I think, I think, I think when the, the answer you're looking for is I think when news became celebrity.

so the internet kind of yeah because think about it when who was even like when you look at like Obama it was a big deal that he was the first ever black not like president it was a big deal

but he was no more really of a celebrity than than Bush or the last president before him it's not like he was like treated like ultra differently by like the president of the United States is always a

celebrity by by default right it wasn't until Trump and this isn't a blame game thing I'm not it's he couldn't have done any differently came in being a celebrity already been you know what I'm saying like that that that where you you almost have these like I don't know did did you see a lot of did you see a lot of uh how many how many like t-shirts or Or, like, presidential bumper stickers did we see as kids? They were out there, but, like, but did you see people with, like, giant George Bush flags flying behind their trucks? No.

Or, like, in my neighborhood in Connecticut, they got, there's this one guy who's got Christmas lights all year that says Trump on his roof. Like, massive, we're on his roof. I don't think I remember that being the case when we were kids. I think what happened was Politics became celebratized And with celebrity comes money And the networks picked up on that quickly And realize that if they champion a celebrity

They will garner viewership because of it So CNN went full woke left Fox News went full right And the division that we know In the country now was kind of born yeah yeah and i think i think it really started to happen so much faster with the internet and social media like that's what really made it goes crazy i'm trying to think back to that time it got so many more people involved like you know you asked me about did i see bumper stickers or

flags very rarely like in certain certain cities like you might see a lawn sign and you see the shirt from back in the day sometimes people wear them now or it's like Reagan yeah you know 90 but whatever 80 but in the last I would say the last five years it's it's just like way more people are involved or invested it just seems like such a week I mean it's it's okay I've taken a very different approach on this episode versus usual and I'm trying my best to ask questions the way that it's it's provided to us by these people who celebritized politicians

is that when their politician was in office, life was a utopia. Life was a utopia. So for the right, when Trump was in office, eggs were free.

The border, there wasn't one illegal immigrant. There was no war, not a single deployed troop. Everybody had millions and millions of dollars in their bank account. You're stupid. For Biden's people, right now we're in that utopia.

It is such a beautiful place to be right now. Everybody's got millions of dollars in their bank accounts. The market is through the roof. Gas prices are finally coming down all because of Biden. Everybody wants to attach this utopian belief set to their candidate being the president. Guess what? Regardless of who wins this upcoming election, you're still going to be in debt. You're still going to have to work to fix a relationship with your sister,

who you haven't talked to recently. Your ass still hasn't been going to church enough. You haven't been giving back to your community. You haven't been speaking positively to your neighbors. You haven't been exercising as much as you should be. You haven't been eating as clear. So let me ask you a question. Do you think a new set of policies at the governmental level is going to impact those

things that you do in your daily life? To some degrees, not all of those specific, like, relationship things. And guess what are the most important things? Those things, yeah. The most important things. So here's the other side to that is you're absolutely right, obviously, like the way you treat people,

your interpersonal relationships, the most important things in your life, right? Everything else is here and you're not dying, being like, man, I wish I fucking had more like non-inflation, but maybe you, maybe you are that's but listen but listen the problem is this though is that those things though that are overarching put a lot of pressure on people 100% so the idea is that like okay if I feel like if I can look at this data and let's say this data is 100% true and I and I know that during

this sort of presidency this this was completely different then of course you're going to think man I want that back right obviously like the thing that I'm really weird at is like there's like on the internet it's like every now i'm not saying this is the truth but i'm saying the perception is that both sides are just blatantly lying about who did what when and how it was it it's just like this person will be like inflation was like this and then they'll be like no that's wrong it's fake information it's black and white it's black and white and i'm just like holy shit like what is actually real then a hundred percent that's question number one and also the main thing you have to understand is the internet is incapable of nuance they hate it they want black and white to answer

either Trump is scum or is God. Yeah. And they want answers now. And by the way, they don't want answers. They already have them. They already have answers. Everybody knows exactly what they know and you're not going to tell them otherwise. You're just not going to fucking tell them otherwise.

That's the place we're in. Everybody has a really hard head. And even if you gave them the data, they don't care. If you gave them data that proved that their candidate was the wrong choice, they don't care. Well, because, yeah, they just say that's not real. That's not real. That could be, what am I supposed to trust the scientific? hit the community after what they did to us with COVID and the Jews like you know what I'm saying

so it's like kind of though like the fucking COVID yeah yeah the first I know I hate COVID bro I know it gets me but but I mean have I have I written off doctors and the entire scientific community as a result of it absolutely not no no I can't do that if I hurt myself I'm still going to my doctor I'm not going to Twitter I'm sorry yeah like maybe that makes me a woke liberal okay but I'm still going dude no but I just, I think about my own life, which, which obviously, like, is not going to help a lot of people watching this because I've been very blessed and have had great opportunities, but I have lived in their shoes. I've actually lived in worse than their shoe, a lot of their shoes. You know what I'm saying? So I like to think that I could relate to their still, even in this place, to their plight, right? And I, and I think back to 2016, right? God, what a good time. Or 2018. for sure, right? But I, but like for me, like, what are my, and this is where a lot of it,

one thing I do want to say is people need to be far more concerned in their local elections and local areas. 100% there. People are way too obsessed with what goes on from the figurehead at the top that, that by the way, like, is also completely overruled by senators,

congressmen, Supreme Courts. And they, they, They impact that stuff. Don't get me wrong. But like once again, the only reason there's so much attention is because of this celebrityization of the, of the president. But for me, and I'm affected by that from a tax standpoint, don't get me wrong. But my tax rate did not change between the last two presidents.

Still got fucked, yeah, regardless. Bro, I paid the highest tax rate in the country. I said this a million times you do too. It's terrible. The highest tax rate in the country, there's not a single person anywhere in this country in any city, neighborhood, town, county that pays a higher tax rate than me. Not a single human, bro. I paid the highest tax rate in the country.

You're still paying Cali, too? 100%. Yeah, it's a worst thing. No, no, I'm paying the highest tax rate in the country. God, it's so terrible. So, yes, the president, now, now, like, here's, so if you told me, dude, you get Trump back in, you're going to drop from 53, what is it, 53%, you're going to drop to 39, which I could do if I just left the state, by the way.

I could be at 39 right now. but but like no that's it's not going to happen but he might no he might move he might move the needle by a couple points here and there the market might change a little bit so my invested money might grow a little faster under who knows right yeah the solution for a lot of people is state and local based if i want a lower tax rate i'll leave this shit whole fucking state i'll go to i'll go to tennessee or i'll go to texas or i'll go to florida yeah so so a lot of times it come also comes down to you taking responsibility for your priorities in life what do you prioritize now that said on a local level why is local government more important trump trump cares but

or or or or or or or or or or Harris cares but there's nothing they're doing that is innately connected to the safety of my town maybe they do a little bit of a better job at the border and things change a little bit a percentage point but i need nathan hockman voted in as DA of this city because he actually penalizes these motherfucking criminals Yeah, who break in the houses Are you fucking kidding me right now?

You're telling me We've had we've had Between Newsom and Gasconn Bro. This fucking state is so ass And it sucks too because It's the greatest state I know it is the great and I don't care

Everybody's gonna give me shit And there's no state like California So beautiful The weather, the coastline, it potentially, it has the potential to be the greatest state in this country. And even, even when it's not, it kind of still is in a weird way. You go up to Big Sur, you go to some of these places. So fucking nice, there's nowhere else like it. You go to the Redwoods, you go to Yosemite, get out, there's nothing like it.

So Gascon and Newsom have done this. Yeah. And Gascon, as, as DA, with this no, with this no bail. is disgusting it is and and dude with the amount of times i've become a liberal let me let me cast that spell out right now i don't give a shit what his fucking rationale is disgusting yeah it's disgusting the only concern that you should have in a local community is for the number one is for the safety of the fucking people that city number one yeah they were they were in my fucking neighborhood, taken down signs, taken down U-turned signs because the gay community felt

offended by the U-turn signs. Yeah, the symbol, yeah. By the symbolism. Meanwhile, every single person on the block had had home invasions. Yeah. It's insane, bro. Are you fucking serious? You can't make that up.

That's a fact, too. I know it. Legit. Okay. So, so, so what my, what my, my pledge, not my pledge, what my pledge, what my, My appeal is to people watching this is start to concern yourself with what's going on in your local townships. I want to run for governor.

I'll vote for you, bro. Straight out. You don't need governor. Mayor would work. Like we had a good look at Caruso. We had a good look at Caruso and they still voted Bass in. Caruso, I went to every one of those fucking fundraisers. I went to everyone of those fundraisers.

I went to all the houses. Everybody who cares about safety wanted it done. but obviously we have a massive welfare community here. We've got a lot of people who it really does help. And by the way, I've been part of that community on the East Coast. So it's really hard for me to say, hey, fuck that community.

But dude, we need safety. Yeah. Like food stamp increases, better rights for transgender feelings. All of that stuff is great, whatever. But if it's overshadowed by the fact, that we live in a war zone and and you can do anything they're going to get they're going to get killed walking out of buying their cheese with their food stamps yeah what does it matter yeah what's the

point safety has to be the number one concern it's paramount and they don't it's it's a weird weird I don't know what the fuck they're doing dude it doesn't make sense and it's just making people want to leave every a lot even businesses are like why would I have a business here we you know for example I have I have a bunch of police officers to go to my gym and it's to my understanding that if someone comes and like breaks a window or does something like that of any business wherever that if the business owner this is such a crazy thing the business owner doesn't like get the call in time that they're going to just have some rent they have to have a random company come and like charge X amount of dollars and there's

no avoiding it they just bill you and you have to pay whatever it is to fix the window to fix the window if you're not if you don't show up okay you know what I'm saying because you got to fix the window regardless. Yeah. But like they'll, they just force it on a, like a random company. There's a really,

there's a funny story about that. And someone who's watching this, uh, will know what it's about. It's, it's this like, this, it's like broken window policy.

I wish your producer over there could, uh, yeah, Google. It's like a broken window. It's like an urban broken window policy where you're actually forced to fix broken windows. It's,

I don't remember where it, where it started. California. Suggestive visual signs of crimes such as broken orers can lead to more serious crimes. How to see this see one thing I will say that I always pride myself on is being a sponge of shit. Yeah. Like I literally like remember everything that I hear. This is a weird thing.

Very weird. Yeah. So it's this theory that if you leave, what it does is they, they believe that broken windows drive a despair in people and a feeling. that they already live in a lower area so that they will then go commit more serious crimes as a result of it. I'm not gonna disagree with this.

I don't know enough about the study to disagree with it. Yeah. But it's a theorem, which is crazy because so yes, so it is part of it. But also like the cops in L.A. They're not gonna arrest anyone for that.

I mean, yeah, beyond that. Do you know why, right? Because it's a waste of time. Yeah. Why are they gonna arrest? Do you know what they're going to do to do to that person that gets arrested for breaking window? A ton of paperwork and then let them go.

Maybe. Yeah. Maybe. If they bring them in. By the way, same for a home invasion. Yeah. Well, bro. See ya.

Same for Robin the Gucci store. Same for getting caught with an illegal weapon. Like, it's bad. That's fucked. Like, there's no, there's no justification for the lawlessness. And by the way, if you protect yourself, you're fucked. In California. Yes.

I'm just. If you accidentally shoot someone in the back as they're robbing your house, you're going to jail. That's crazy, bro. I don't understand how, like, who voted for this shit? Like, who the fuck is voting for this to be such a shithole? And also, and also, what's the rationale? I don't understand it. Like, I wish we could have gas going or someone sit here and explain.

I'd love to talk to fucking news. Why does everyone get let out? Like, why do violent criminals or, like, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, residential robbers just get let out like that what's the what is the actual rationale now i know it's almost like they don't want no i know what i know what they're going to say it's it's it's supposed to be an overpopulation scenario they're trying that's what they'll say but you know what i would say to that build more jails build more bro are you fucking serious sorry we don't have room so so what then they're just going to go break into someone's house and sleep there

like where like make room we have so many criminals, bro, make more room. There's land here. There's tons of land here. It's expensive. Put them in Corona. Or in fucking. But that doesn't even make sense, though, because...

Sorry to everybody in Corona. I'm so sorry. Put it in Corona. That's crazy. I didn't even catch on that. It just popped in my mind. I don't know, dude. It just, it was just a random city that like...

Fuck. It's cheaper the West Hollywood. You know what I'm saying? No, but the thing it doesn't make sense is the jails are a private business. Like, wouldn't someone just want to make another one? Because they make a ton of money when criminals are in jail. I know one group of people who would want to make more money.

They probably own them all anyways, right? Dude, it's so fucked, man. They probably own them anyways. Why are they not making more? Tom Cooperman is going to watch this episode and get so mad, dude. It's going to be like, Mike, what were you saying on Brad's show? Why are you saying that Jews did all of these things? dude it's yeah i i think it's fucking oh it's just crazy it's just a really it's just a really wild time

in general and and honestly like i said like on the removing myself of like dude i have a lot i have a real lot of stuff going on right now bro like what no good stuff like almost so just i'm i'm i just i just got funding for a doc a doc a documentary based on my life my book the drug drug epidemic um i'm so trump trump's team is uh bringing me to speak on a roundtable in philly next week on addiction that's awesome um uh 10 10 burger is like a whole thing now like it's about to open in Dubai we've got domestics coming online bunch of stuff going on with the Saudis i'm at a family style this weekend which you should come to i did a collab with represent clothing 1010 burger and represent clothing which is crazy um the the best thing you'll be moving

excited about is there's actually wheels moving on my podcast yeah i was going to say it's so funny don't even die i know you were going to say it trust me yeah trust me so that's happened karate combat's been going great like a lot of eyeballs on karate combat it was well hold let's go to the podcast one second go back to that one you've been talking about that for like no no but i haven't no but i haven't been talking about it recently because because so much other stuff came online that that i haven't i i i almost have like kind of taken a step back from youtube in general like and content in general, only because I have real legitimate, like, hosting capabilities. The one thing, like, you're, you've obviously been there for a long time.

The one thing that I think, like, people don't know is that there's almost like a, uh, there's almost like a transition point for creators when you hit a relevancy that lasts like five, six years where you go from being a creator to an actual name where, where it, and it's, And it happens only to like maybe like five to 10% of the people. Either you get so big like speed, like for example, speed. Even at speed speed, speed, you know this. I don't have to tell you, but maybe for anybody watches, speed is the biggest thing on

the planet. Yeah. By, by 8,000 miles. Like anybody having the speed, Kaisana, Kaisana is second, right? Whatever. But anybody having this like comparative conversation is out of their mind. Speed is in outer space. Yeah.

He is the biggest thing. And also, as a 39-year-old is extremely fucking entertaining. I know it's a lot of low hanging through and it's barking and stupid shit. But that kid is fucking funny. The shit he does is funny. And he's super athletic. Anyways, he can never fall off. He is so big that he can never fall.

He right now is, he can obviously have a fuck up and have a problem. but as far as like quality of content is concerned he can never fall off yeah he is a name it's weird how that's a thing that's a real thing now for other people who are more like not to you know moderate size us but who are a little bit more moderate sized right like neither of us are showing up in zimbabwe and having to have a country provide security for us right well have fans there i've i've had fans every every single country in any everywhere it's fucking amazing it's my favorite thing but we have to stay relevant for long enough to cross that line and so now i've had a good amount of shit come along that's like we just want your name attached

to the project and i'm like well what are my deliverables like that's not really how it works we're just we're just happy to have you aboard the team you know we know you'll do some work for us blah so on so so like karate combat's been great to me they've been great to me and they've They've relied on me bringing new people over, adding some energetic conversation to GSP and to boss and to Josh, these guys that are really tactically fight-based conversations and me bring some laughs and some comedy, right? It's been awesome.

Had a call complex today about setting up about something that I won't get into until it's locked in. But like, it's cool to be in a place where, like, I don't feel as caged and boxed into having to put out that weekly piece every week. But it also, that's also a place that could hurt a lot of people because the audience is still there and they want that week of content. So, so, so like, the idea of ever turning my back on YouTube, which is the program that, the platform that built me would, I don't think I'd ever be able to do that. Yeah. Like, I'm going to create.

It's just about like, how do you continue to evolve? Because there is definitely that for me that it was all strictly fitness content for so long. And then obviously getting into the podcast stuff is different. but I see it all the time with people that pop up and then they don't they don't maintain any sort of like further movement because it's like almost like all they got. Yeah. I mean,

I mean, I'm doing a lot of stuff, other stuff on the side. But as far as the content's concerned, like, like you, dude, we've been talking about this evolution of my platform for fucking four years,

three years now. You know what I'm saying? It's just, I've just, I love doing the night shift. I love going to other countries. I love exploring the culture. How long do you do that for?

you know maybe speed might actually be able to uh speed might actually be able to uh speed might actually be able to compete now this is my this is my flight log for the year holy i just hit flight i just hit flight 71 i don't know if anybody could see that i just like flying how much 71 on the year um i don't mind it i've hit i've hit the maximum level of status with every airline so it's so it's like it's extremely fun to constantly eat the first class food and yeah the people i meet people all the time and just trying different airlines like i was on philippine airlines through manila i went to manila the other day and was in singapore for you know i've never been to five days i want to go there i love traveling that's

like my like political argument to some of these other i love it like i love i get off on traveling I get off the plane in a new country and I feel so alive and I meet the people. And I, bro, and I get, I have a plug in every, you know, you know, I'm bro. Yeah, I know, that's the one, the weirdest thing about you is, you, you've always been that guy. Always, I don't know why. I'm plugged everywhere. I don't know why you're that guy. That's my thing, dude.

Because I know how to build relationships quick, bro. I'm happy. The real question is going to be ironic coming from me is when are you going to have a family. honestly bro it's like i everything that i've ever done with a obviously like i i'm still with sarah now and it's and it's just it's just it doesn't come naturally to me do you know do you know what i'm saying it's like and i i the way the way society is and the way that we're kind of bred like i know what i'm supposed to be doing but it always feels forced.

Yeah. Because I, and that's not to say that it's not going to happen or whatever, but it's like, dude, like I just, I really love the romance of walking out of this cabin in Finland and the guide saying, there they are. And looking up in the Northern Lights just being so fucking.

fucking prevalent. And the magic of that moment, as it's negative four degrees, I'm standing there with Martin Garrick's and Lando Norris and looking at the Northern Lights in Finland. You know what I'm saying? And just 20 minutes later, I'm in, I'm with a reindeer. And I'm like, dude, I didn't even know these things were real, bro, but I'm with, I'm with a reindeer. And then I'm ice cart, go cart racing against Lando the next day who just won F1 Singapore is like the biggest thing in the world, right? And it's like a week later, I'm flying to Istanbul to get my hair. Like, you know what I'm saying like I have really really fallen in love with the romance of this world and and I mean that the most blessed and and to be able to say that bro where I'm sitting right now

versus where I was sitting when I was 25 years old to be able to say that I'm able to do this stuff it's the most humbling thing to be able to actually do this stuff to have you know to be sitting in the locker room with Logan and MGK and before SummerSlam and have a team come in and say, hey, somebody wants to meet you and then bringing me in and jelly roll is, you know, so moved by me coming in there and him saying like, bro, your, your story has meant a lot to me over the years and having those conversations and that travel and all of that stuff. That is what that is what I love. Yeah.

That is what I love. And that's not to say, I read a stat. today. 93% of people can say that they have never regretted having a child and 62% of people can say that they regretted not having a child. Wait, you just threw me through it. Sorry, you just said there's no way. That's a hundred and that's a hundred and something percent. No, no, no, no, no, no. They're different polled groups. So one is a polled group of parents and one is a bold group of non-parents. Okay, because wait. So 93% of parents, are 100% happy

with their decision to have had kids. I'd like to talk to the 7% they'd probably be funny as people and only 62% of people oh shit I'm not good with stats

I think it was 62% of people who were like beyond childbearing age said that they were happy with their decision to not have kids so like the rest of them or or 62%

of them regretted the decision basically the crux of the stat was that people who have kids are instantaneously aligned with the fact that is the most beautiful beautiful thing on the planet yeah so that's so like so like you know is there a point in like the next few years where like i i i have the desire to do that and slow down it's just bro right now i'm rocking yeah i don't even show i don't even show a lot of it there's so much of it that i don't show bro but i'm I'm in these countries I'm with the right people you know brahman the rooms yeah like the rooms with the people whether it's the emir the royal family of abu dhabi the the the biggest business owner in singapore like oh this is the guy that built this you know marina bay sands

like he owns it you know what i'm saying that's who i'm having the dinners with and flying on the planes with and it just right now the idea of saying okay cool i'm going to trade that in and and just go settle down. It just doesn't seem like the right time. Yeah, I understand that. Like Logan, by the time this episode comes out, he'll have had the kid.

Like, they're right there. Congrats. Congrats to Logan, by the way, man. Yeah, early congrats. I mean,

I was just, when is that, when is he going to, when is that going to be? Right now. Oh, to send him a little text. They're,

they're like right at the finish line. So by the time, I would assume by the time this episode comes out, it's, it's, it's done. And, and dude,

God bless him. And I love him and Nina so much. I'm so happy for them and just from a timing standpoint, it's like, dude, imagine all of that work you put in for 10 years got you to this brand that like if everything fell apart tomorrow, you're kind of good, bro. No, you're very good. And by the way, so is your kids,

so are your kids, your grandkids and their kids. Yeah, he did, he did it. I mean, there's no, there's no, there's no arguing that. However anyone feels about Logan, Paul, he fucking did it. Like, so at the end of the day, man, that's, I picked the right teammate. Yeah, I mean, I've said it plenty of times And I have tons of respect for that guy

Like what he's done is fucking Is incredible and people love We talk a little about the click pay bullshit But a question on that When you said Nina just made me think about this Dylan Dennis, I hate to bring this up But is he still pursuing that? I believe so

Fuck, dude, that's got to be tough for him For Dylan I don't think Dylan's gonna have any money left Yeah, I know it's pretty crazy I bro I'm so I honestly like and it dude like I guess technically like I have to hate him by way of what he he did yeah I don't but I'm just such I'm just such a new I generally feel bad for people that are hurtful towards others because I know what their internal dialogue looks like I don't I don't I don't look at people who who spew hateful rhetoric on Twitter and say like this person's a piece of shit I just say this person hey they hate themselves something it's sad it's really sad I wake up every day. If you see me at 7 in the morning and I've never met you before and you've maybe you know me, maybe you don't, I'm going to smile at you.

I'm going to say, dude, I hope you have a great day today. It was just fucking awesome. Meet you. What's your deal? Let me tell you about this. Let me have a conversation. I'm going to move on to the next person. I'm going to do the same thing, 12 a.m.

Even if some fucked up shit happens that day. And I mean this. And I mean this, this is my one of my biggest goals in life is to never falter on that. I don't give a fuck what I'm going through. If I run into you in public, have you ever had a negative. interaction with me personally no no no but so so wait i want to ask you a question and that's because i and that's because i have a tremendous amount even though i'm not great always in my mind and that's and i'd like to talk about this place that i went to recently as well in nashville called on site um

i still have just a tremendous amount of love for myself and for my brothers and sisters bro whoever they are and the end like i hate to say that but even with someone like dylan do it's just like dude like i know that dude's hurting you know what i'm saying i know he did all he does all that shit because he's hurting bro you know what i'm saying nobody no happy person is going to want to go out of their way to do that to someone they're just not they're just not going to do it bro you know so it's so yeah i think that's i think that's all still going on the amount of money logan spends on legal fees is i think he'll probably spend his whole prime check on legal bro it's crazy dude all right guys quick interrupt for the podcast botanic tonics

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let's get back into this podcast it's wild man no but but uh you were saying something i want to ask you a question yeah you think it's better to always because this is an interesting thought you know people always ask so ask me to ask anyone like yo you good right and most times even if i'm not good yeah i'm good you think that's a good way to no i don't i think um because it kind of sounded like what you were saying no not not so much i think i think when i think when the microscope is turned around and it turns into a conversation about me, it's a different story.

But also, I have a select number of people that I talk to about my problems. Yeah. My girlfriend, my mother, if I have a therapist at the time, honestly, I don't even talk to Logan about any of them. Me and him don't have that type of relationship.

We might have at one point. We don't anymore. which is fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But maybe Tav, Kifa is a huge ally of home of your mind, bro. Like he's got the, Kifah's so sharp, bro, in the way he thinks about things. But so, so in my daily interactions generally with everyone else, they are pleasant. Always. Always, bro. Regardless, because something Sean Nelson taught me when I was still working at Love Sack,

it was the importance, the importance of a positive culture. like there is no cancer like negativity you have to you have to cut it out as a whole because if you miss a piece of it it will fucking multiply like cancer does negativity hatred like I don't even clown I don't clown on people bro I can't remember the last time I made fun of someone or shamed someone I just simply do not do that bro it's been years since I've done that Not my place, bro. I would rather contribute. And this is a bridge.

This is a hill I would die on, literally. Like, I would rather contribute positivity of this world and make people feel better about their lives than, than the opposite. Yeah. That means I walk into the gym in the morning. And even though my ankle is 10 out of 10 pain, bro, because I have no cartilage in it. And I'm fucking in pain. I'm smiling, bro.

And somebody's like, Mike, yo, what's up? And I'm happy. I'm going to at least pretend to be happy. tears of a clown type shit yeah that's where i'm gonna that's where i'm always gonna fall and i know people will say this and that about it but like look where i go with that you know what i'm saying like look where i go with that that mentality bro there's nobody putting the red rope back up when i walk up and say no entry tonight because i'm walking up with a smile on my face and you say yo i remember you bro we had that crazy conversation that night of i xy m z you're hilarious

come in yeah come in everybody that it's become such a it's become such a it's become such a a thing like on social media like oh i was kicked off this platform because i said x y and z about this person that person bro look at your look at your attitude look at how you look at how you talk about people look at like bro you like it's like going to hide or or or or or or some exclusive club going to zero bond in new york or or or uh to to to to um to somewhere in london like a pride the arts club or some private club in London and saying, oh, they didn't let me in the club because of the Jews.

No, you didn't get in the club because you weren't going to get in the club anyways, homie. You weren't going to get in. You know what I'm saying? Like, you have all these people that are like, oh, I was left standing outside because of my views on a certain topic. No, you were left outside

because you got a smug look on your face and nobody wants to be around you. Do you understand what I'm saying? People don't want to be around. Like all this, all this negative winning that goes on online stays online negative people don't win in the real world they don't that's a fact they don't yeah nobody wants to no girl's going to be like oh my god the way he made fun of that fat girl really turned me on they're not going to do that way this is so it's so interesting

like bro all of the lessons that these kids are getting taught on ticot by way of these people making fun of fucking hos and that girls are four and that chick's fat and fuck this person and the jews did this and x y and z bro it doesn't buy you any ground in the real world trust me because i get all the ground in the real world i get in everywhere i get conversations with everyone and i put that against speed even straight up straight the fuck up dude he's got he's he's he's the biggest in the world i swear to you i'm getting more plugged in than he is i swear to you right and anybody like i happily will go plug for plug with any single fucking person i would be happy for you to tell me what it is i'll be happy for you to tell me what it is i'll be

happy for you to tell me who it is. Who the person is. Yeah. I mean. Globally. And the reason is because I approach everything positively. I approach everybody positively with the right energy and attitude. It is interesting how that that negativity never is fruitful in real life.

Never. Why? Why is it just the keyboard warrior thing like just to the craziest degree that it's like we can, I can say whatever I want? because I have this platform or because I'm on this platform or whatever it is. It's weird.

It's fucking weird now. I just think the people that couldn't get there through positivity they know they can they know they know they know they can get there through talking shit

because dirty laundry pays the bills, bro. That's been around for ages. But to get there with a smile and a compliment that's hard. Yeah. That's hard,

bro. You know what I'm saying? Like that's, that's tough. That means you got to really have that energy and that motion and that ability to entertain or have the right concepts.

Anybody could, bro, I can go on. I just could have came on here right now and talk shit about a million people like real shit, not just bringing up names and having little things and gone viral, gone crazy. And then that fight

would have spawned off into 100 new fights. Then Logan would have took my back and it would have went to impulsive and we would have kept it spinning. Yeah. Views would be bumped. Sponsors would be up. It would have been the greatest thing

I could have done. but that's i don't have to do that yeah because i'm going to go eat food and do fun shit and make people smile so why would i want to do that so obviously you you i mean i don't have to ask you specifically how you got to that point probably most of people like know how you got to that point who've seen you have watched you over the years but people who are like trying to get to that point how do they do it if it's so difficult because i do agree like to be the person who's aspirational who's inspirational who's like teaching someone or giving something someone good especially nowadays on the internet is getting no traction.

Like unless they're doing, like, how are they? Because now there's a million motherfuckers who are probably trying that same sort of angle. And then, you know, they look and they go, well, this guy just talks shit or says negative shit or whatever it is. And the traction is here. My traction is here. How do I, how do I maintain this to get to where I really want to be in a position like we're talking about right now?

How do you do it now? Do you mean in terms of like garnering? subscribership and growth of channels or do you mean like do you mean from like a room work standpoint like in terms of room work you talk about real life completely different thing

I'm just saying from a subscriber of views engagement traction popularity because the room the room work thing is like that's a that's a real talent like a real different talent I mean I think I think there's a million other cheat codes besides besides you know negativity

negativity negativity I think I think that Value, I think value is a big one nowadays. I think we're in a place now where value is, true value is, is a, is a really meaningful and, and possible direction. And by value, I mean finding a niche that is curious about a topic and creating some level of thought leadership or expertise on it, right? So, like, you at one point were valued as the fitness influencer.

Like, yo, I watch Bradley because I'm curious about his journey, his supplements, his weightlifting. You caught on a value before a lot of people did. And I've done some of it, mostly substance based, put out the book, and a good amount of my audience is value-based, but I'm trying to make it more, which, like, you know, like, let's not shy away from the truth. like the majority of my my cheat code had been girls for a long time and now i i was the biggest at it yeah number one right and and and you crushed that i mean there's no denying that it's amazing i was like holy shit i was i got to get her on my podcast bro i i had to like get out of it

for so for a number of reasons just because like i think as i as i kept as i got older it just became no i wouldn't say it was it was never weird like the conversations were always super all the girls always were cool with me I was either friends with them I was hooking up with them whatever but but it was always playful you know what I'm saying

and maybe they wanted to get viewer whatever right like but it just felt like it felt like at one point like I was either gonna have to make a thoughtful push towards the Hugh Hefner type vibe of being like this older

oh like older promoter of promiscuity and sexuality and I just I like so at one point you felt that and you were like this is where it's going to go I mean it's where it was right and that's where my viewership was highest it wasn't even just Lana it was like even post Lana like bro I could I could have kept that shit going forever like there's some new hot girl right now that would have been in the content if I kept to go like who's who's the who's like the hot like girl right now is it's I mean technically

it's still Sky and Corinna yeah yeah from a from a viewership standpoint or I guess like even like even like I've run into like like on a more relaxed angle like livy and and and you know those people and like I would have made content with them like just cool shik tar yommies like right but like but like what like what does that look like what's like what's the true like longevity of of well what's the true value of it and what's the true value and at some point like once you make some money yeah you do start to want to lean a little bit more into like helping people and that's not and that's not helping but that's one thing I do agree with on a lot of these um a lot of these guys on on xes like i i i i don't watch porn

bro i literally don't watch it i know and i and i and i i do feel i i'll never be a person to like truly regret shit like i'll look back and be like oh i could have done that a little bit differently um i never was promoting oh like i never was promoting oh like go go download her o f like go to this page go to the it was more so just like showcasing like who the girls were as people you know what i'm saying like i wasn't trying to like overly go crazy on the sexuality there was obviously sexual undertones but um but it's it is really i think i think it's i think it's i think it's i'm more curious and interested to see how this social experiment plays out the the pornography thing yeah i think it's terrible bro i think it's destroying people's

what do you what do you think's the core satisfaction levels the core problem yeah what do you think the core like issue like the core issue is with it like what do you like the main one or the top three i think your connection with yourself sexually is a big thing that people just are they're not even thinking of like being able to be satisfied or to satisfy like the the idea of that is completely skewed by whatever you're seeing or whatever you think is yeah it gives you like a false reality of what intercourse looks like. And I think it could for a lot of people can maybe even push people away from like doing it because maybe they don't think they're well equipped enough or they think they like

they should be doing this or doing that and maybe they don't feel comfortable. So there's like that whole psychological thing that probably pushes people away from just sex in general like real sex. Or it pushes you the other way because I know that like for me when I moved here and obviously started that like run in that community. Like, I, bro, like, you get it. You were fucking everyone. We get it.

No, but it was like, no, but it was like, it got me into like this belief set set that like group shit was like cool and like, and that was something that it was like sustainable for like, then I get into a relationship and I'm like. Yeah. Well, you're on. This is, this is hard. This conversation with you is a little more interesting because it's like you're on a different spectrum of that level. I'm on the spectrum. Yeah, yeah. To be honest.

Anyways. It's, so that's a massive. if one is your psychological relate like your relationship to yourself in that act right then also like just the the literal dopamine response to that like that moment that you can just get whenever yeah and then your dopamine response to everything else in your life is duller so that's one of the biggest things that i've that i've certainly realized so you know so you know how they say like uh you know how they say like people are are sharper when they're uh retaining semen semen I started to think about it and like I've I've like almost purposely like stop fucking in the morning

because I've found that it does make me extremely not extremely but I found that it makes me a good amount lazier during the day like at least for the foreseeable few hours yeah and so if you if you if you back that out and you talk to the average you know person out there who's watching porn especially if they're like I bet you like I bet you the majority of porn consumers are like two to three time per day. I was at one point. Wackers. I was at one point.

Yeah, me, no, I mean, me too. Me too. So bad. But yeah, you're right.

You get that, that like, it's almost like the engine slows down a little bit. You're like, oh, I'm chilling for a little bit. And so now it's like your productivity levels. I definitely have noticed that down.

Like I've noticed that like if I could, if, if Sarah leaves and I go like a few days, like I'm pretty fucking hyped up, dude. Yeah. Now, that's not always a good thing. Sometimes you could use the relaxation.

But for me personally, like, I feel a little bit more centered pre-nut. And then post-nut, I start to get a little, just slobby. Yeah. Like, I want to have something to eat. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's exactly how I feel. And it's hard because the morning, we usually do end up doing it in the morning a lot.

And then I go to the gym after. And your level. Yeah. Like, just a little bit more. So that makes sense. I certainly, and the reason I brought the conversation up is I'm certainly now, you know, kind of seeing the different harm factors there.

It's just also to just remember like physiologically the dopamine response to things in life, like whether it be likes on Instagram or sugar or caffeine or nutting, like you're, they're all opportunities and you're desensitizing that response through all these things. So if you're cutting one major one out, that is also related to, like, psychological shit.

Yep. It's probably a good idea. I started reading this book called dopamine nation. Yeah. Which is, which is like fully, fully about this. Yeah. Because I, so I did want to, I did want to quickly bring up, uh, this, this place I went to in Nashville.

So I've been truthfully, I've been kind of all over the place as far as like my, my, my own personal health, mental health has been concerned over the past, like, you know like three or four months i kind of been kind of up and down a little bit like not super i i think i always am but i got to a point where i was like shit i think i need to uh to take a step back and and and really like start to address some of the stuff so i want to tell this story really quick because this is this is actually a crazy story so i don't know if i want to out this first person but there's a girl here who's who's a big singer in l.A and i'd ran into her maybe like a month ago

during a time when I was really kind of feeling not so great and just like internal dialogue really shady super high anxiety like to a point where I was having panic attacks when I was waking up um I just was having trouble breathing like I was going to the dot it just it was bad yeah and I was like damn I really need to figure this out and I ran into this girl and uh she was like oh I went to this place uh I just got back actually this place called onsite in Nashville it's just outside Nashville it's this retreat of sorts mental health retreat they take your phone you're there for four days it's uh there's this there's a section of it that's called intensive where it's just a one-on-one you with a with a therapist that they actually fly out specifically for

you best of class best in class very expensive not very expensive i shouldn't have 12 to 15 grand maybe for four days right no insurance so they fly and but i didn't know this at the time but this is the premier establishment this is where everybody goes so anyways so she tells me about She's like, change my life, blah, blah, whatever, right? So I hit up my team and I was like, hey, to my guy that handles that type of stuff. I was like, hey, have you ever heard of this place on site? He's like, bro, that place is great. And he always says no to everything.

So like when he, is this an ad read? No. I mean, it doesn't say. No, no, sorry. This is going to, if you're still watching, what are we two and a half hours in, two hours in? If you're still watching this, I promise just, just bear with this story. It's actually crazy. But is this an ad read?

No, it's not. It's not. So I did not get paid by onset. I've not taken $100 from onsite, not a single cent. Okay. So, so. Because when you said, listen, when you said I hit my guys who handles this, I was like, I thought you got a brand new.

No, not my brand guy. My guy that I talked to about mental health stuff and about that type of shit. Got you. And legal and that type of shit. He's, he's, our fixer. This is a real ass. I don't want to say his name. So they start with a J?

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about it. So I, so I. So I, so I call him and I'm like, hey, what's the deal with it's on site? And he's like, place is great. He's like, it's incredible.

I know the place. So he connects me with this woman, Debbie, who is the, who runs, she's like the CEO or something, or not the CEO. She like runs on site. We have a conversation. She's like, I'd love to get you in there. We'd love to have you for a few days. And the conversation just kind of dies.

Two weeks later, I'm at SummerSlam and Jelly Roll calls me into the locker room. And I meet Jelly Roll. We have this really spirited conversation. Super just, I love that, man. he is he is one of the greatest people in the space right now and i'm so happy that he is he is successful because he is just positivity incarnate fighting through the most major adversity that you could ever go through yeah with a smile on his face and inspiring people to be better and fighting for for for fentanyl you know a change in in legislation he actually goes and does that

fucking goes and does it. Jelly roll is a legend. I love him. I love him. And I'm talking to him and I go, hey, I was thinking about going to this place called Onsite next week.

I just brought up randomly. He goes, please save my life. Huh. Place saved my life. He goes, I went through the first time because I had to.

I go there now because I want to. Me and my wife go together. I'm very good friends with Miles Adcox who started Onsite and I'm going to connect you with him. So the story continues. He connects me with Miles. me and Miles start talking.

I started having these daily conversations with Miles. I start thinking about setting updates, but I'm still a little bit unsure. A week later, me and Sarah had been through some stuff, whatever. She came to L.A. We were going to go for this trip down to the Rosewood and Montecito,

which is the nicest hotel in California and potentially in the country. Now, it's going to cost you a few bucks. It's going to cost you a few bucks. Maybe $3,000 a night to get in the door. And then it's nuts, but the craziest. place. So we're driving down and Sarah's been going to this church. Sarah's a good Christian. She's

been going to this church in Miami called Voo. She's done amazing, right? So she's telling me about it and she's telling me about the celebrity pastor. And I bring up, oh, well, that's funny. You bring that up because I have a friend named Carl Lentz who we had on the show about four years ago. He was like the celebrity, you know, Bieber and Hill song and just this big deal. I remember that. And had a little bit of a fall from grace or scandal, whatever you want to call it. And I just said, I'm like, yeah, we had him on the show a while back. He was you know was the celebrity pastor yeah we got to monocito we're sitting eating lunch there's carl lenz haven't seen the dude in four fucking years haven't heard his name haven't seen him hadn't talked to him there he is summoned appears before me how long how long hours you had two hours you had two hours

bro in the car ride down two hours there he is car fucking lents walks up to me hey man good to see you dude long time been four years since i was on the show so proud of everything that you've been doing I've been watching your journey, dude. It's been incredible to watch, dude. I'm sitting there like this. I go, sir, it's Carl Lentz, the guy I was just talking about. Yeah. I go, so we have this conversation.

I go, I'm thinking about, I'm thinking about going to this place called Hill Song because I've just been dealing with, sorry, this place called onsite because I've been dealing some stuff. He goes, they saved my life. Shut up, fuck out. Yeah, I got to go there. I have to go to this place. He goes, place saved my life.

He goes, Miles is a good friend of mine. Does he have a Southern accident? I'm just giving that to him. I think I think I'm just giving it to him. The jelly roll one was on point, though. Yeah, that was on point. So he goes, please save my life. He goes, I love it there, man.

He helped me with my marriage and a lot of the stuff that I was going through at the time. I'm so excited for you to go. Dude, make sure you stay in touch to me. And, of course, I've done a terrible job of that. Here's where it gets crazy. So I was like, damn, all right, I'm going to this to go on a hot sight, dude. Yeah. Right.

Next weekend, I fly down to Miami. Sarah wants to bring me to her church to Voo. So I go to Voo. I sit down and Pastor Rich Wilkerson, Jr. He's the, he's the Voo guy. bro he's also a celebrity pastor right runs four of these voo churches in miami i walk in i'm like let's see what this is about because sarah's been raving about this place sit down and the whole sermon is about healing you have to heal my brother's out there in the audience watching this maybe you are

maybe you are not evil maybe you are just empty you need to heal that trauma that's within you And I'm thinking myself, I'm like, bro, I'm going to fucking on site in four days. It's the whole point of going there. It is a trauma retreat for healing. Yeah. So I'm already getting goosebumps in the church. I'm sitting there watching the sermon. I'm like, I cannot believe that this is happening on this day.

So I leave the, bro. So I leave the church. This is real. This isn't like some like magical bullshit story, I'm telling you. So I leave the church. I message Pastor Wilkerson Jr. On Instagram. Hey, man, I was in your session.

Miami City today. I was watching the sermon about healing and it really spoke to me and I appreciate that. Wow, man, dude, thanks so much. He responded, wow, thanks. I'm so happy that you came to see the service. How long are you in Miami for

because I'd love to get lunchy and maybe talk about social media or whatever because I'm working on some stuff? I was like, well, I'm here till Thursday because I have to go to Nashville on Thursday and he goes, oh, that's crazy. I'm going to Nashville on Thursday. I said,

Oh, what flight are you on? He goes, the 137 p.m. Miami to Nashville, I go. Stop it. What seat are you in? 2A, 2B. 2A, 2B. He is sitting next to me on the flight to Nashville, bro. Where is he going?

To Nashville to speak at another church in Nashville. He's not going on. Okay. Regardless. No. God damn. But on the plane, I brought it up to him. He goes, I know all about it.

I've got a number of friends I go there. I know who Miles is. Fantastic place to let me know how it is because I've been wanting to go there myself. So we're on the plane and he, dude, so think about me having this entrance to Nashville where I'm about to put my phone away and the last thing that I'm doing

is having a personal prayer done for me by Rich Wilkerson Jr. in 2A and 2B on this flight to Nashville to go to on site. Like there was, I was so ready, dude. I could not believe. that all of those things happened man it felt it was the first time in my life where I truly felt the difference between serendipity and God like bro there's no there's no

coincidence where all of those things happen in a row so neatly yeah that you are sat next to someone who was just preaching about the very thing that you are looking for and the importance of doing so like crazy bro yeah that's god crazy it has to be so i go there i go to this place to on site they take my phone away for four days i got no phone the dopamine level swing you know swing back i'm not i'm going to sleep at eight o'clock i'm waking up at seven i'm doing equine therapy with horses whoa that's dope it's sick you have you want to know what's crazy about horses you have to be present they're giant they're massive animals and they know when you're not paying attention to them the relationship with a horse is created by being present their heart

is four times the size of ours they they you feel the energy of a horse when you're next to it it is it is a palpable feeling if if i'm looking down or looking there or thinking to myself all the shit that usually is going on inside my head i'm not going to build the i'll know in a second that that horse is not connected with me so then they have you have this connecting time and then you're going to go and figure out just how meaningful that connection you had with them was when you try to lead them without a rope. Yo, follow me.

Oh, what the fuck? And the horse followed me. It was crazy. His name's Waylon. And they were like, oh, he doesn't always connect with it. It's your homie now. My homie, bro. My homie, bro.

And I had a moment at the fence where I wanted to see him again and say goodbye. He was talking to this. He was standing at the fence line. Yeah. And every time I would come over after I had had that interaction, with him he would he would put his head over and come up to me remembered me and he wouldn't do it to anybody else because they hadn't done the equine therapy because i had this this upgraded package

or whatever yeah yeah so he would so then that day i saw him and i was about to leave and there was one woman standing at the fence and she was she was sobbing what you see in these retreats something you see people are going through a lot of i that was another thing i realized there was how minuscule my and i don't like to do that to myself but dude there were people they're going through real, real, meaningful and recent pain. Like when you're sitting there and you're, the feelings I have about what I put my mom through during my addiction and what I put myself through my addiction

and the pain and the shit that I saw, which is horrific and the friends that I buried and, you know, hugging moms after overdoses and the ICU that I was in four times and having other people's blood pumped in myself. that's all real trauma i'm not going to discount that but when you but when you're 15 years out of that you're sitting next to a woman who buried her son last week her seven-year-old son last week that perspective is fucking harsh bro like it really forces you to remember like yo

holy shit i'm blessed is that part of their process too because like in most cases like normally you don't like in in most therapy you're not sharing situations with other random people right in therapy generally like in traditional therapy yep i wonder if that's part of their their thing is is the association you know everything that we have bro as a whole on this planet from a macrocosmic standpoint is about community it's everything we have and it goes back to every conversation we had today and about how everybody's treating everybody else and being mean and negative thoughts and making fun of this person making fun of that person in this life is each other that's it yeah that's it's the only thing we have we we've got animals

they're not we're not we don't work with them we don't work side hand a hand with them all we all i have is you him my people we're all people bro this is a giant community right that that that that and and the bond in that community fixes people that positive bond if i look at you and i feel like yo that's my brother and he loves me and I love him and he would he would stand with me through hardship that heals me that doesn't heal it heals both of us yeah now as soon as I look at you with distrust or or deception or or or or jealousy or envy or hatred because of your race or religion or whatever that bond is now broken that this community is now weaker as a result of it all we have is the bond that we have between each other as humans so when you go to a place

like this this being my second third fourth tenth a hundred time of being in a community like that because i've been through the rehab circuit i've been through you know those rooms they call them the rooms with other people like me nothing is going to make you feel better no the horse isn't the therapist isn't nothing is going to make you feel better than knowing that there are people that are going through shit, the same shit you are. There's no better feeling. There is no better healer in this world than you talking to someone about your shit and then being like, man, I'm going through the same shit, bro.

Like, how do you deal with it? And now, now of a sudden as opposed to you asking me how I would deal with the death, the death of my father, you're now talking to someone who's gone through it. How does that conversation change? Oh, my God, bro. you think it's because you don't feel alone in it 100% and you're talking to someone who has a toolbox maybe they have different tools than you do yeah now you now maybe they're a little further along the line is trying to build a house and they all and everybody in it has different tools the

house is going to get built yeah I get it but with but if I only have a saw or a smile or whatever but I'm missing the ability to my my problem is I don't have control of my mind I don't have control of my mind that's my main issue one of my main issues my mind will do what it wants to do. So that's my biggest thing that I'm working on right now. One of the things that I learned there was, it was very interesting to learn about thoughts. We get so hung up in our thoughts. Do you get hung up in your thoughts? Oh my God, bro. Yeah. Everybody out there watching us. Now you want to see something funny? What's a thought? What is a thought? Inner, inner monologue, inner dialogue. No, but what, no, but like, what is it? What is it? Like,

why is it there? Like, what is it? Well, it's not physical. right you make metaphysical like physiological like what is the what is the do you know what I'm saying what is the what is it I think it's a feeling I think it's a thought or is the feeling because the well the thought is directly related to some sort of feeling right they do they all play together so it becomes physical for sure so and by the way what you just said right there is important too because people don't realize how much their body plays into their mind oh yeah trauma is back and forth is stored here not here.

Yeah. People don't know that. There's a book called The Body Keeps the Score, which is a trauma-based story about how your body retains trauma. But we start talking about these thoughts and how we can recategorize because what we all need to do

is recategorize the importance of thoughts. Thoughts are just simply thoughts. They have no meaning. They have no meaning. You need, to get so the one the one helpful analogy that I took out of it for thoughts was when you look in the sky and you look at the clouds go by if you saw a cloud that intrigued your sparked your interest I don't care how cool the cloud is or how fucked up the cloud is you're

not going to spend the next two months of your life looking at that cloud you're just not going to do it you're going to look at the next cloud the next cloud and then you're just going to stop looking at the clouds you're not going to pay no one you're not supposed to be we are not supposed to be attached to our thoughts like this i'll speak for myself there are some people out there who probably don't feel what i'm saying or what you're saying which is fine you are supposed to view your thoughts like a current of information but you're not supposed to be getting caught so i've started to really embody that and i and and have this idea that my thoughts are clouds they're just passing by yeah well i think this thing is getting attached to like

the thought in relationship to like whatever it is that you feel like you're missing or you should have had like a lot of times all these things they all relate to that like the attachment of but what's that attachment to something no no no but what's but what is the attachment a vision of what your life should feel like or should look like but what is but what is but it's not real like because it's a what it's a thought it's a thought do you know what I'm saying yeah but so so it's like now you're talking about clouds that are combined to each other like one thing leads you to another one which leads you another but at the end of the day bro none of it matters none of it matters it's just they're just things that are going in on it's

you're still here you're alive i'm here i am here you are here right we are in this room right now having a conversation we're going to go and do other stuff today we're going to perform actions all of this stuff is just bullshit yeah it's all the energy you give it truly correct and now the champions of this world get to a stoic position where they're able to say, okay, now that I've gotten to a point where I don't care about the thoughts as much, I'm going to start programming positivity in there, always. Yeah. And big ideas. I'm going to come up with a drink. It's going to be called prime. I'm going to come up with a, you know, whatever. Yeah. Nuclear bomb.

Fuck. You know, X, whatever it is, right? Like, because they got so good at ignoring the bullshit. and pushing the bullshit out that they actually started to introduce complex, positive, and productive thinking into their mind. I'm nowhere. I'm not there. I wake up and I'm less than. I'm a piece of shit.

People don't like me. I'm this. I'm that. I'm too old. I'm not funny. That's not how my mind is supposed to be working. I should be waking up every day telling myself, yo, you're incredible. You're an incredible human for what you've been through.

The book you wrote. The things you're doing. doing people do people love you they love your positivity my brain doesn't my mind doesn't tell me that because i allow it to lie to me every fucking day has it ever has it ever not been that way or has it always been that way or has it that's that's been a that's been a big question because obviously like as you know another thing in therapy is trying to find the root yeah well because i can relate to a lot of not specifically what you said but the idea of like at one point in my life i felt in thought about myself completely differently than i have at other points in my life for sure so

I'm like wondering, like, is, I mean, obviously things happen and life happens and things change. Your circumstances change. So maybe your thoughts are shifting in relationship to that and your perception of yourself in relationship to that. If that were the case, like, bro, like, if my mindset was based on the quality of my life, man, I would wake up in the morning feeling like I hit the multi-billion dollar lottery every single day in my life. How the fuck could I not?

How could I not look at my life? look at what I get to do every day. Look what I beat. Look at my, the shit I've attained. Look at the pride of my parents when they look at me. Look at my girlfriend. Look at the things that I've put together here. If my mind was simply based on the quality of my life,

which it should be, that's called gratitude, then I would wake up every day and be like, holy shit, how happy am I to have what I have? That's called gratitude. And that's what we all should be practicing every day. but I'm still haven't gotten there. You're absolutely right. Working on it.

So what did you really learn then? Like what are you holding on to? There was a lot. A lot came out in that room, bro. I was in that room for eight hours a day, one on one. Outside of the group. Anything that you're most comfortable with sharing. I share everything, bro.

People know my whole story. I realize that I still have a lot of attachment to the times that I almost died in ICU. In what sense, though? And just that it happened? There were some vignettes of silence and looking out windows. This is going to sound kind of just contrary or not contrary, but just strange. But one of the times that I almost bled out, I was in a very quiet room and the breeze was blowing in the blinds. and I have had a lot of trouble with silence

because it was because it like a lot of stuff I had tucked so deep down like I had almost forgot that there were so many times where I actually had to mentally tell myself to keep fighting because I felt my body giving out. You know what I'm saying? Like I knew that I was fading into the next life and had to say please dig deep, please dig deep through this and it's very quiet.

it's very quiet and very lonely and i've attached a lot of current feeling about silence and loneliness to to that and i i made that connection well exploring this in conversation with my with my therapist there because um i'm sure it won't sound crazy to anybody but like for some reason and it was so hard for me to believe that that would still affect me. But, like, of course it would. You know what I'm saying? Like, I had a... Like, the silence, so...

No, just the experience as a whole. Yeah. Like, I had a tube that was fed through my nose down my throat while I was awake. They lubed it up and put it into my stomach so that they could suck the bile and blood out of my stomach. And then in my arm, I had another, an IV with someone. else's blood you know so i'm probably have like about a third of i lost about a third of my blood in my when i rupture my spleen and they had to remove that and and but that i mean i had the amount of

times i've been in ICU has been i mean i've been there like four times and so like each time as as dramatic as the last so it was like i don't think that i i don't think that i realize how much that type of physical trauma really like sticks with you and like fucks with you in the future bro because for a long time I kind of like tried to imagine that it didn't ever happen which is not healthy but like the reason why I continues to progress is it do you think it has to do it and I'm just randomly saying this but like the silence like that the for some reason you focused on the silence is that why your brain doesn't stop you can't control it no I don't know I don't this was more of just like a one for one comparison like I I find I find myself like looking I've always looked at windows a little in like a little bit of of like a somber and melancholy way, especially like if I can, if the breeze is blowing in the curtains, because I made a very direct comparison to those two. I see things. And so it, you do, long story short and like at a macro level, you just have realizations. It's a lot of realizations about how you feel about stuff. And obviously like, I've gotten, I've gotten

a point where I've been like very somber and like melancholy towards like life and death and mortality and family. And like, I've gotten a point where like, I've been like kind of, focused on like the darker side of life for a long time and I've been trying to like get away from that a little bit and I think I think I think anytime you go into that like where I've always been like a super big like pink Floyd fan and just like you know really like thought outside the box about like existence and like I know this stuff doesn't come through my content like even in these conversations, like,

but like inside my mind is not always like the brightest place. You know what I'm saying? So it's something that I've, it's something that I've been working on and trying to, to brighten up because it's really,

it's really hard to like curate like love and happiness and all of those positive emotions when you're completely, you know, when you, when you're more focused on the, yeah, the, the more macabre side of,

of life, you know, to be or not to be like existence based like this this disillusionment with magic and and the idea that like love it might not be real and and loyalty might not be real and like you know what I'm saying like it's it's it's it's kind of a sickness that it's not a sickness but it's something it's a it's a it's a it's a conversation that needs to change within you you know what I'm saying and and you can do it that's the good news for people watching this you really can't do it you just you first you kind of have to get

even and that means not being so bought into anything in your mind and then you can start to replace but at first you really just need to find a way to get calm with things like get yourself to the starting line does that make sense and then you can start to pile the positivity on up there

but it's crazy you know having these conversations especially at this length like this is the only show obviously like I do a lot of the mental health stuff on and that's why I love coming on yeah um I'm gonna start doing a lot more. It is a niche conversation. I've got a really big relationship that I'm a massive relationship that's all substance and mental health base. That's going to kick off in the next like couple months. That's, we'll pretty much overtake everything that I'm

doing. Um, which I'll come on here and share as soon as we kick it off. It's, it's a massive, massive thing. And you'll be a part of it. By the way, I've already brought you up in the meetings. Um, but it, but it's, it's kind of just a strange time right now also to be talking about mental health because this new like alpha push online where it's like that's not real go to the gym I think it's more important than ever correct yeah yeah us having this conversation correct no correct but do you know what I'm talking about like this did that whole like I go to the gym every single day you go to the gym you are the example of going to the gym yeah eating right sleeping enough hours having the right contact with loved ones i've checked every box yet i still

yet i still feel like this have a relationship with god yet i still feel like so so who's who's wrong i'm not wrong i know that there is a layer of it that is i need to take a direct approach to these issues in my mind well it's exactly what you said earlier about getting to the starting line meaning like yes training dieting all these things will change your current look on where you're at, but trauma and trauma in your life and in your past and your childhood is a real thing that if you do not address it will continue to affect all of your relationships, all of your actions, everything about you. No matter how much good you're doing forward, if you don't go back and unpack shit, it doesn't fucking matter. It is something else

will come along in your life that'll hit you and it'll be like, oh, why did this happen to me again? And you're not recognizing that it's because you're still making the same decisions or the same choices that are leading you in that way because there's something that you haven't unpacked yet that's a reality and I know that in my life 100% so for sure going to the gym fucking or whatever all this alpha shit yeah it's important which is super important it will make you better it is 100 times better than sitting at home and doing nothing like do some fucking pushups eat better like all these things are going to affect your outlook for real but there is a real thing about unpacking shit in your life and in like fully diving into those things so you can

remove them so you can like you said get to that start point and really fucking sprint yep so like it's like the like it's the easiest way to look at it is like all that other stuff is like the humberman protocol which is all super important like all of it bro weight training what is he like like weight train five times a week you're getting light exposure at the start of every day you're getting the right amount of sleep you're having light limited at the end of your day you're eating the right a protein heavy diet, stress reduction, which is a thing that people need to figure out. Everybody's going to have a different battle there. But Huberman, I really like what Huberman's doing on that side of things. But then there is totally a, there totally is a

mental health side that is like a true journey. Especially if you, if you've really gone through a lot. Like there's shit to unpack, just straight up. Like, that's the thing. Like, you can't deny that obviously everyone's trauma is going to feel different to them and unique to them because that's all they know to whatever degree of pain that they can because that's how they got there right pain is relative exactly super relative but like you know if you have if you know that there's like x amount of pain points in your life that you just kind of like oh i'm gonna just go forward that's good that got you to wherever wherever you're at but like to get to that like real part of your life you're like man this is great this is amazing you got to you not like revisit

it and live that life and live in that energy, you got to kind of unpack that shit and dig it out and fucking get rid of it. Yep. And I can speak directly like my life for sure. Like, for all purposes, it should be like, oh, this guy's life is so fucking amazing. Oh, money, all this shit, whatever.

But there's so much shit that I have gone through and that I still need to go through it to get to that point where I feel like that. Yep. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. It's just it. That's such a funny, that's such a funny, like, uh,

Because it's outside. Like a paradox. Yeah. It's just the outside. But, but, but, but I, but I, but I do appreciate, you know, people saying that because I think it's important, sometimes it's important that other people tell you all the time so that you remember it. Because then, because then you can use that when it is time to program it into yourself.

Like it's like my mom, like my family, my family's pretty good with, with it. And they, they understand that like, okay, like, Mikey's, you know, he's always kind of dealt with a lot of the stuff. And, like, it's probably one of the reasons why I got in the drugs in the first place was to quiet some of that rumbling and, and to deal with some of that trauma. But, you know, my family's, my family knows, like, the deal and they're, and they're, like, really good with, with, like, it. But I, but I, I am happy that we're having the conversation again, because I know there are people out there who have tried a lot of shit. All of us have. All of us have tried every, bro, I've had done the fucking mat.

It's like, it's like, I remember any, and anytime I talk about, like, one of those, uh, you. you know, new age pursuits. Like there was a huge thing about ayahuasca on Twitter the past couple days. It was like one of the big daily conversations. I saw that. Yeah. And it got a lot of shit. I'm scared of it.

Oh, it's scary. But it's good. Oh, you did it? I've done it three times. I don't know why I didn't know that you had. I've done it three times, man. I've done it. I've done one of the harder versions of it's called Yahe.

Okay. Which is like a more masculine version of it. Where did you do it? I've done it here in L.A. Oh, I had someone fly out. Oh, what the hell, I didn't know that. Yeah. three times it's fucking intense man and how and how would you how would you rate the post effects like

did you have any meaningful yeah i think i still have meaningful effects yeah i mean it just it just it was for me the the greatest thing that i got out of it like i could say without a doubt right now was that i for the longest time was so afraid of death like just the idea and the concept of death was just like terrified to me and that almost doesn't exist anymore wow wow like yeah i don't want to die right but i don't i don't have this like gray fear where like it affects like you just throughout the day randomly i'd be like well dying that's that thing it's gonna come eventually how does it come and i think about it i don't even think about it anymore do you feel like it's because you made some sort of connection or like contact with a different

no side of i there's it's so hard to describe this but like while i was on the medicine of the plant there was a moment where i i felt like i could i could be alive i could be dead it's all okay and it was this weird like that it was this almost like it was the same obviously like death is not the same as being alive to us here but there was this weird feeling that like was completely undeniable that it's all the same it's all this cycle and you're a part of it wow and it's supposed to be this way wow and i and and and someone could have told me that a million times and i'd be like yeah but death though it's fucking scary and for some reason i did this and i it was like i didn't even have the thought to be like but it's scary it was just like it just is do you

do you remember it being the first second third this was the first time i felt this yeah it wasn't as intense to other times. The first time was the most intense, obviously, because I was like, well, I don't know where to expect. And it was like a straight up, like, it was like a light mushroom feel to like, holy shit. I've never felt anything like this ever, like instantly. It was scary. Very scary.

Did you? At one point I was like, I want this to stop. Like, I really wanted. Did you get there? And how was your guide? Amazing. Yeah. They, like, like little chance and songs and all this kind of shit. How long, how long was your? It must have been like, five hours something like that but it felt like looking at it's like it was like that did you did you defigate

no no didn't even throw up no i held it's i held as much of the medicine you're supposed to right yeah i mean that's ideally to hold it right because the more you throw it the more you the more you i was never a big i was never that that's that's insane and and and obviously like i've talked to a lot of it's a it's really moving around like the celeb and like creator world right now and a lot for a lot of people that are dealing with shit like real trauma um one of the best things i've ever done for sure that's kind of what everybody says i i i it's it's it's surely an interesting conversation i've i've certainly considered it by the way it's definitely something that it's not to take lightly no bro and it's also i did it first of all i don't think i probably wouldn't do

it in con i probably would leave the country yeah it's very very ceremonial like it's very serious it's not just like you show up and fucking drink some shit your diet leading up to it is very important for sure so there's no contraindications like medicines that you're taking there's certain things you can't take when you also take this this plant medicine um so it's just like you just got to take it really serious the more serious you take it the more serious you take your intention into it like what you're trying to figure out like I want to learn this about myself or like lead into it and you'll figure it out because that was the like ironically like as I told you that story that was one of the biggest things I wanted to figure out was how come I'm so afraid of death and I got my answer

like straight up it's the same story it's fucked up because it's the same story I hear from every single person they're like they're like they're like basically there was a wall

between me and the answers I was looking for and I had destroyed the wall and you know it brought the wall and you know I'm the guy that I know better I know better and I know that this is I know better like I know the answer that it's okay and it's a part of life

but I just couldn't accept it. And in that, there was, in that moment, I was like, I don't have a choice to accept it. This is just it. Yeah, kind of like makes them, I just felt it. It wasn't like I was like, I'm resisting this and I don't have a choice. It was like, this is, I'm so okay with it. And I was like, I had no option in my heart. It just was like, this is just it. And I'm good. And then my life has been better sense for sure. I mean, there's still things I got to figure out and work on, but that specific thought hasn't come back. And that's one of the biggest things that would spur my anxiety like i'd have panic attacks and no i can i can certainly relate to that yeah i can certainly

certainly relate to those spikes of anxiety being related to to mortality and yeah and that type of thing so fuck man yeah it was it was amazing wow well it's crazy it's just crazy to keep hearing that over and over again from different people because it's like damn at some point i'm i'm probably just gonna have to pull the trigger on it because a lot of you know a lot of people in the community that i work in and in the therapy world have been put have not been pushing me but just been saying like listen like you're they'll basically be like you know this hour long session we're having right now and i'm like yeah and they're like 30 000 sessions in five hours yeah i mean it's like it's like it's like 30 000 sessions it's forced it's crazy man it's just it's just

i mean it's a literal thing that is interacting with your brain in a way that like you just you can't deny it like it's just a weird feel the weirdest feeling that i've ever had was just like this weird calm in like the most terrifying moment like being completely terrified and just being like but I'm good though no matter what happens I'm good yeah I want to go to I want to go to one of those centers you know who uh you know who owns a lot of those centers right holy fuck oh it's fuck pretty much all of them dude like really I'm scared I didn't know that no bro it's crazy bro shit dude yeah i love coming here dude yeah it's it's sucking great dude i mean are we almost at three hours yeah yeah oh she a bit short i was no notice like i was dying

to do three hours no we're good we're we'll end it but i but notice how no no i wanted to i wanted to make three but notice how towards the end though we always catch like a flow oh bro come on like you know i swear to god that happens we want to argue about you know i i i don't i want to argue about you know I want to argue about Twitter and shit because I do like to get that stuff out of the way but I don't know why that's the weird thing about I don't know why like I come here and I want to talk to you about Twitter I think because because do we I think we're like in a similar like we're on a similar ecosystem in Twitter yeah because I see you and I see your reactions and stuff and I go oh I know exactly where he's at yeah see it and then we because even how

I mentioned certain clips you're like I saw that clip too right we're on the same Twitter timeline so we feel the same way about it what else what else what else? has there been like recently? Because I saw the ayahuasca thing. They were like, white people do this to fix trauma. Yeah, white, yep, yep, Jews. We got to see that girl shoot her mom the other day. Oh, God.

Let's see, what else do we get to see? It's so bad. If anybody that thinks that that's like even remotely acceptable of a daily consumption is, you're ridiculous. Yeah. No one should be consuming that garbage every fucking any of, by the way, that goes for any social media. If I can tell you how,

I fell after four days with no phone. Oh, man. They go, bro, they come up. They come up to me at the end. They go, uh, your car's about to be here. Here's your stuff back. I go, is the car here yet? Why are you giving me this now?

Don't want it. Yeah. Like, you like, you would think you'd be like, oh my God, let's, oh, I got to answer. Not being able to know like if there was a disturbance in your backyard. If your mom had called, if your sister had fallen down. Who knows for four fucking days, bro? It's a weird calm. Right.

So, so then, so then you, of course, you would want to get your phone back, bro. They were getting, they're like, no, seriously, take it. Like, I don't want to have to open the door again in 15 minutes. When the car comes, I go, just open the door again at 15 minutes. I don't want the fucking phone. I don't want to see. I saw he was holding in his hand and it was just the whole screen of notifications. Like straight down.

And I'm like, bro, I don't want it. I don't care about the brand deal. I don't care about any of this stuff because I just lived real life for four days. Yeah. It's beautiful, man. I'm glad you did that. I'll probably get some information for you on that because I will. happily connect you bro and i'm happy that we got to share that that serendipitous story or godly

story of how it went down and um and i'm happy that we got to do this bro i'm happy it's it's honestly i do this i do the circuit and obviously do you know everybody shows and and all the time but i thoroughly thoroughly love coming on here because you and i always see pretty eye to eye on on the majority of stuff and i feel like i have a place to talk about shit that is important to me yeah which is which is the stuff that we've talked about here at the end and I think the audience gets a lot out of it yeah I do too always a pleasure to have you brother thank you so much for your time of course dude thank you that was awesome