RAWTALK - BRADLEY MARTYN & DAVID LAID TALK EARLY CHILDHOOD & LIFE TRANSFORMATION

Episode Date: December 18, 2020

Talking to David Laid about life, lifting, child-hood, aliens, his transformation over the years within the fitness industry and a ton more..give this podcast a listen

I'm actually an alien, bro. Really? Yeah. That's why I came to talk to you guys on the podcast about that. No, this is my first podcast back. Welcome back, CultureCast. I'm sure everyone's fucking be like, they're going to see this video and be like, fuck that guy.

He said he was going to make podcasts every Thursday. And he lied. So number one, I have to apologize to everyone who was watching the podcast before, everyone who was enjoying the podcast, and everyone who was hating the podcast. I fucked up. Okay. Are you on me? I fucked up.

it's my bad you know it's unacceptable yeah but I have a fucking special guest today who I've known about for a very long time and I'm actually shocked and I always talk to him every time I see him I'm like why are you not making more content man people want more content from you he's kind of like you became like an urban legend

low key urban legend maybe not urban legend maybe internet legend which is which is a good thing so go ahead introduce yourself to the people who don't know well my name is David Laid. I am from New Jersey and I've been doing, I guess you could say, you know, fitness, YouTube, things like that for, you know, ever since I was maybe 16, 17 years old and now I'm 22. And you said that, you know, you've known about me for a little bit. And when I was really young, when I was maybe, I don't know, anywhere between 10 and 14 years old, that's when I was just very, very heavily into like YouTube fitness. Like me and like a few close friends, like we knew everything. We watched it, you know. The Hodge twins, you, Chris Jones. I don't know if you remember him.

Of course. You know, even like some Scooby stuff and, you know, six-back short cuts, all of that. And man, it's, I mean, it's pretty interesting. It's kind of cool, you know, sitting here with you now doing a podcast when I was, you know, younger watching, like, a lot of your content and stuff. And yeah. So it's interesting to me, though, because I've known about you for years. Like, as young as you are 22, right?

you have been around the fitness industry for a very, very long time, like an extremely long time where like I could say the guys that I knew from the beginning of like kind of coming up in the industry, like you were one of them. But at that time, you were like 17 years old. You must have been. Yeah. No, I mean, the whole reason I even got into like working out in general was because, you know, before people hit puberty, before guys hit puberty, they're all like, you know,

relatively skinny and stuff. So it's normal. But for me, I was slightly taller on average and my waist was just so tiny. and my limbs were so long so I looked like Gallum from Lord of the Rings like he just looked disgusting like who? Gallum Smeagel Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah all the rings Yeah it was it was terrible

But yes I mean so I was just you know really really Really insecure about that then one day I just hit a breaking point where I was like Okay I'm in a position where it's either curl in the fetal position and die or do something about it So I decided to do something about it and I you know start exercising lifting weights And I guess you could say some of the core people that I really looked up to the most would have been like Z's was definitely up there because I know it's interesting for me when it comes to Z's because when I knew about Z's I was what 13 years old so I'm like young immature kid I'm like idolizing him like he's this God I'm subscribing to his religion etc but it's interesting you know

getting older now you know getting a understanding how you know someone that's older more mature would perceive Z's and just like out of his mind he was but yeah so you know I just sort of working out very very passionately very intensely and I would you know take a lot of pictures, document my progress. And then I was maybe a sophomore in high school, 15, 16 years old. And I used to play ice hockey when I was younger. Then I actually stopped because I was so passionate about fitness. I wanted to devote all my time into that.

But then one time I just recreation went out to go skating with some of my friends. And then it was like a two-hour public skate. And then towards the very end before the Zamboanie was about to go in the ice, clean everything up. One of the employees that worked at nonchaline was like, yo, you want to race. And of course, my ego was like, yeah, absolutely, let's race. So we're on the red line.

three to one go skating full speed and massive strides and then when I get to the red line I took a stride that was just a little bit too big and I just heard a pop fell directly to the ground once the ER afterwards long story short I realized that I broke my bone it's actually a bone called the lesser chocanthors only like 33 people in the world that've gotten that injured lesser trocancer it's like at the top of the humorous the ball like my muscle like ripped off like a quarter-sized piece of it which was very very strange but because of that I was essentially bedridden for like a

month and a half took me like 15 minutes to like squangle over to the bath and that was like 15 minutes away and after I beat all my video games just sat there in complete boredom's you know what I'm gonna do a transformation video because like why the fuck not okay so then the template that I decided to make it off of was z's transformation made it because like some fan made transformation video existed of them online which is picture picture picture kind of hard style music yeah so I did that I just had a complete boredom didn't you know have any expectations or goals from it whatsoever I uploaded it and And then over maybe one or two years, it was slowly accumulating views.

And by the time I was about to be a senior in high school, I had like a few million views, I was like, oh, holy shit, this is pretty cool. Then I had an idea of it. You know what? This video got really, really good views. I made a substantial amount of progress since then. And I've gotten way, way, way better pictures. I could make another transformation video that will be way better than that one.

And I could use copyright-free music so I could actually monetize the video and maybe make some money from it. And then I could take the money I made from that video and then, you know, maybe get some camera equipment and then, you know, do something vaguely resembling a YouTube channel like the people that are watching. Yeah. Let me take it back that you said some, before you explained really this story, something that I thought was significant. At one point in your life, you were, you said you were really skinny and had really long limbs. And then you said you started getting into working out. And, but you said something that I found interesting, like you decided you wanted to change

that. What, what made you believe that you could change that at that age? Because that's the interesting thing that I think about, knowing some, some more, but we'll probably get into a little later on this podcast knowing a little bit more about you in your personal life what like drove you to actually make it because a lot of people don't like the way they look a lot of people don't like the way they feel in their own skin a lot of people don't like a lot of shit about themselves but they don't always change it because it's uncomfortable like what made you be like okay this is how I look I don't want to look like this I'm going to change it like what made you actually do it well it's interesting actually remember the specific point I mean there was a lot of just accumulation of

you know bullying smug remarks things like that that I just you know that I've absorbed over time from other people's communication with me, then I would just feel worse and worse and worse about it over time. But it was my friend saying, I was at the ice rink again, funny enough. And he was like, you know what? You're just so skinny. Eat a cheeseburger. Just do something like that.

And I don't know why, but that was the straw that broke the camel's back. And then in terms of your question, like what made me actually have the, you know, core belief that I could actually initiate a transformation was, I guess my personality type was if I'm really, really interested in something and I want to do something. I'm going to do it all out, like unapologetically, full-blown passionately. And I kind of did that with, you know, I was into magic tricks when I was younger. I maybe make like some like little video editing skits with my friends. Just roughly speaking things that I was interested in, I kind of went all out.

And other things I would just almost completely neglect. So when I went home and I just like typed in the first thing I did, I went on YouTube, I type in home chest workout. Because I was like, okay, you know, chest probably, you know, reasonable thing to grow, you know, get me out of my of course we need to grow up yeah exactly just very important so then i watched like a mike chang six-pack shortcuts of video like some push-ups tell us this is that and then those first few home workouts that i had in my home gym i mean like at home literally in my room were probably the most intense workouts in my entire life and because i was so skinny so low body fat i saw results like relatively quickly because when you're that skinny you even get a pump like you

gain like half a gram of muscle like you can notice it right away so i think it was noticing those subtle changes really, really quickly, instantly became hooked and addicted. So that's one thing that I could definitely say to a lot of people that if you haven't worked out whatsoever, having trained in any way, shape, or form, and you see all these people that are just so passion and training so frequently, so intensely, they look like they love it, and you just can't put yourself in their shoes and can't understand just how they can enjoy this so much is because you haven't tasted it, right? So you might try for like a few weeks or a few months and you're working out.

You're not enjoying it whatsoever. You don't feel good. You don't really look at it. She's like, why the fuck would I continue? This just, like, sucks. But if you, that's the most crucial thing to overcome. Because if you just have patience throughout that point, and then you get to the point where you actually see yourself looking different,

like the little subtleties, maybe some vascularity, you're fuller in your shirt, you look leaner, like you feel better, you have more confidence. Once you start getting the teeniest glimmer, the tiniest taste of that, that's it, you're done. You no longer have to worry about motivation. It's hard for a lot of people to get to that point because, like, they'll mount tons of reasons why they can't do certain things or they'll say, oh, I did this for a week or I did this for a month it didn't work I did this and they bounce around from a lot of

different things and don't really like go full force towards something so that's the thing that was interesting you said it and I was trying to figure out like what actually made you believe that you could make that change beyond just like your buddy like said the last straw like you believed in yourself enough to be like yeah you said your personality right about you're gonna go full force and then you might be really great at those things but shitty and other things like I completely relate to that I understand that where do you think you like got that from that you knew that you needed to do that in order to like get what you wanted from it like the all or nothing mentality kind of like I'm gonna go 100% on this I mean I guess a reasonable amount of that

could be put down to I guess just my temperament my personality but it was just kind of I was just saying previously once I got a small taste of what I could look at what I was took then I could you know conceptualize the end goal however many years in the longer and that would be and then I just absolutely fell in love with the journey of like getting there and just wanted to put in all the hard work to essentially get to that point and I mean I understood earlier on that it's going to take like a really really long time yeah but I wanted to go but I wanted to do it but I mean in a sense it was like it was just a massive goal to overcome and I feel like that's another very very very important I feel like a lot of people that are you know dissatisfied depressed just unhappy in their lives

in general is that they don't have a goal to strive for so I could say this like when I was in high school I was absolutely like broke like I had no money like I didn't have like I was just like just an average you know regular kid but because I had a goal that was so like grand just working towards that goal just gave me just absolutely what was that goal like it's it's actually interesting because like I said before I even got into weightlifting like I I would you know I did like magic for a little but I was like really excited you know the card stuff and I was like pretty good at I was like passionate about it still do it yeah I could still do it. Yeah, but people would ask me, oh, do you want to be like a magician when you grow up?

This is that. I'd be like, no, like not like not really. And I played ice hockey since I was like in second grade and I was like pretty good at that. And then people, oh, you want to go to NHL? This sound like, I mean, I mean, I'm decent at it. But like, I just, no, like not really. But I don't know what it was when I caught that fitness bug. I was like, it was just the most deepest in my soul.

Like I know this is exactly what I'm going to do. I don't know exactly where it's going to end, but this is the thing that I want to do. Exactly how I felt. Yeah, it was an overwhelming sense of just clarity. And what you said, I think is really important for people listening to. You didn't know exactly how it was going to progress to where you are now and the things you have now, I think you've accomplished now, but you knew it was for you. And that's, I think it's really hard to find that for people because, like, maybe people

are afraid to, like, really push it towards whether it's fitness or, like, what they really want to go after in life. Like, let's say, someone's like, man, I really want to, like, be an artist or I really want to be a musician, but, like, they never take that first step to see. like you said earlier that little bit of progress somehow like maybe you make a song and it's trashed and you make another song and it's a little bit better like that that like you see the progress of the painting same thing the I mean physically fitness is the same like if you're going towards some sort of physique goal it's just a different different brush stroke but to get to where you

want to go to see that progress I think a lot of people are afraid to like just fucking start so my question to you and obviously I have a personal answer for this as well but like what really like what really set you off like besides that point where your buddy was like yo you're fucking small eat a cheeseburger like what really got you started in fitness like beyond just you're like I like this working out stuff like was it was it used to like does it did what did it do for you mentally because obviously everything is I think at a at a much much much deeper level I think that for example like I don't think many people know this whatsoever I mean maybe a small amount of people know but my

father, he actually passed away when I was three years old. I was born in I was born in Europe, you know, during the Soviet Union era and so my dad passed away, long story short when I was three, it was an unfortunate accident and I personally, I don't really have much

you know, I don't have any vivid memories, really any memories of him whatsoever and then my mom essentially was like okay, you know, I'm a single mom now, I'm in the Soviet Union, like not the best situation, I'm going to, you know, go to America for, you know, entrepreneurial reasons it just seems the good moves to do so you know move to america and stuff and you know i've had like

you know i've had like a stepdad and all that stuff but it's you know it's really not the same as having like your true like biological father so i feel like in me you know the fragmented slash missing father figure in my life probably played a role in making me more insecure than i otherwise would have been given my physiological state of affairs in terms of my skininess or whatever right so maybe if there was like that you know fatherly masculine encouragement in the background yeah then i would have you know been you know more i mean less psychologically dissatisfied with you know how i look so i think that me wanting to get into weightlifting wasn't just me you know being generically insecure about how i look but it was also an outlet for a fatherly type

of energy because if you're missing like a father figure as a guy you're gonna be you're gonna want to seek that out. You're going to need to get your fix somehow. If you don't have the father there, you're going to find other ways to get that. So I feel like for a lot of young guys, including myself, it was all these fitness icons on the internet because it's like shattered, scattered pieces of like masculinity essentially, like physique strength. It's all symbols for all that. So I feel like that's why on average I was more predisposed to that, you know, type of fitnessy stuff as opposed to someone that maybe had like a very traditional nuclear family upbringing. And I think that was definitely an outlet to, you know, I guess, I don't know, develop masculinity or, you know, get in tune with the archetypal father energy if you want to get like.

It's so crazy, man, because I remember this happened to me without social media, like, because I grew up without my father. My father took his life when I was six years old. I've told this story a lot of times on podcast. He hung himself. Long story short. My life from then to now is obviously very different. I learned so much along the way. And it's interesting.

I didn't know that. I didn't know this about you until I talked to you in the gym about the other day. And I was like, wow, like I, and then I immediately, like, felt like I connected with you differently on, like, a really dope level. And the thing that's crazy, which you said, I 100% relate to the desire for some sort of a father figure. I remember it started when I was younger with my friends, because my friends, they're dads. And I would, like, hang around my friends. And I remember even thinking, like, in my head, like, oh, man, I wish I had my dad like that. and even like going to graduation and just doing certain things where like you know you'd see

your friend's dad doing something with them and me being like fuck I wish I had that see the person like will kind of like be proud of me to do something so it's funny how you said the fitness icons were like your version of that it happened to me because YouTube wasn't a thing when I was like 17 years old 18 years old right it became when I was like 23 24 a lot of dense a lot of people started doing it and I had the same experience though with like coaches friends and people in the gym that I worked out with like once I was in that atmosphere I was in the gym and I'm like training with a guy who was like 34 my buddy is it I actually I should fucking call him or something but his name is Chad he's from Pacifica from my hometown and this guy was like the first person that

I like was consistently with who was an older and had that masking energy who was like teaching me like you know this is what you do in the gym and then have conversations about obviously like you know in the Jim about so many other things that before that point in my life, I never had anyone to have those conversations with. And shit, bro, sorry, I'm a pussy. You didn't cry. I'm over here crying like a bitch, but I remember feeling being like, well, I've been looking for this my whole life.

And that's the fuck, shit. That's the thing that like I can genuinely say that has like propelled me when I started seen. obviously not necessarily results but as I started growing in the fitness community in the industry and I would see like people's comments about like the first videos I would do where I would stand by like dumpsters

and shit and like talk shit at that goes gym and like talk about my life and what I've been through and just saying fuck it this is this is what's in my heart this is what's in my soul this is like who I am and then seeing the response of people being like wow I needed that and I felt like I didn't know it right away I would see him like wow that's really cool and then I kind of told you the other day

when I started going to expos and then seeing people tell me these stories the same kind of comments they were saying in person about like you said this you shared that you told me about that or even like you helped me with like some fitness shit and I needed that like and these people who come to support me and I would see them like decked out in the gear I'd be like they were always saying the same like along the same lines obviously different stories because they're from all different walks of life but that was the thing that like I can say I'm so fucking grateful now in my life that I've been able to experience that but it's crazy because you like to me you're already like you're already like you're already

there even at 7 at 17 you were there like you were already getting there like people were looking up to you as a figure in the industry where they're like yo I want that I want that guy's physique I want this right and now it's interesting now you're at 22 years old where now you're going to you're like filming a podcast this might even be on your podcast channel um and you you like for me talking to you even just the short amount of time we have very very smart individual very understanding or trying to understand himself as well, just from our conversations. And I think you have a lot of really good shit that you're going to be able to give and teach people like now and for a long time because, like, as big as you've been on social

media for years, like, you're still 22 years old and you have so much farther to go. And I didn't realize, like, really what was giving me purpose in my life until, like, you know, it hit me. It hit me when I was like 26. But it took a long time to put into perspective to you guys listening, like that pain that I dealt with when I was a kid and like constant searching for like I want validation. I felt like I needed validation. I felt like for like the things that I was doing.

Was I good enough? Was it good? Like, was I on the right track? Am I being a good person? Like I needed validation for these things that I was never, I would get it here and there. Like I said from those figures. And then letting go of the resentment that I had of like, am I not good enough? Right.

So those two things went hand in hand my whole life and kind of like drove me to try and be a better version of myself. And then it took me years and years and years to realize it. Then looking back, I'm like, holy shit. Like, this is that shitty thing that happened to me when I was six years old was exactly what was supposed to happen to me so that I could be here. Like, even having this conversation with you. Yeah.

Fuck. And it's dope that I love it that you're so young and you're like, you're already on that path where like you can give that to someone who like might be looking for physique inspiration, physique advice, but also being able to speak to someone. And that's why when I first talked to you, I remember talking you for a little bit to be like, why don't you make more content? Because like this is the kind of content, whether it's on your podcast channel or your YouTube channel that people need more of. Like you said, you were looking for that like masculine, fatherly energy, that figure like that, something that you weren't growing up with in the way that like you felt like you needed. And now you have an opportunity to be that for millions of fucking people.

And I think, you know, relatively recently, am I? actually starting to fully become consciously aware of that yeah so for the longest time i'm almost was just operating on autopilot just not realizing that oh because i'm not consciously you know articulate and aware of the fact okay missing father figure therefore i look up to you know fitness and that's why i'm like i'm doing this i'm just like doing it because i'm just on autopilot doing it right and and sometimes to be like confused what what's the point like why don't why am i even doing all this but I feel like recently, you know, really coming to, in a concrete of understanding of that kind of what we just talked about, I just, you know, on a deeper core level, just feel like the urge and like responsibility to, you know, wield that power and influence in a positive direction. And that's why I kind of, in a sense, almost like look up to you like in that sense because I was very vaguely familiar with your circumstance with your father and what happened.

And I mean, I got a little bit more details from talking to you in the past few days. but I do think that as unfortunate and tragic of an event that was with you that, you know, that ended up having a good magical outcome because I could like sense that you, because of that lack of that fatherly energy, you've essentially over time accumulated it and like you've become that symbol to like radiate and prosper and give it to everyone else. So in the sense of you like training people, like you, like we were talking about this in the gym the other day, for example, like a lot of people that are, you know, doing, you know, social meet or just even just any people in general you're just aware of you know how important

integrating fitness in that person's life it's like actually is and you can make in like of course you're doing it because you know it's you know good content and it's like smart to do in that sense but you could tell that it's actually like deeper from that there's it comes from a like an air like a feeling of like actual like care and like compassion like wanting to improve those people's health like those lives and give them that energy so I do think that it's very very important that you're doing that it's a very very good thing and I feel like especially like nowadays because I feel like just masculinity in general is kind of you know I don't want to stay under assault but it's definitely you know weaker and not as strong like used to be in the past and like there's like many

many kids you know children growing up in fatherless homes like dad's you know not present you know maybe alcoholics it's it's super fucking common I feel like a lot of people maybe don't really realize just how much of a problem it is so it's just really important to you know uphold that energy. Yeah. And so I have a quick question. Kind of like a side, like a side note. How is your relationship with your mom? My relationship, my mom is actually, it's really good. Like I'm, um, um, um, it's interesting as I get older, I'm able to look back at different things and just analyze, you know, her life and my dynamic with her over time. And I'll, you know, as I go older and more mature, I can look at it through, you know, different lenses. And, you know, all things considered,

I think that she was an absolute champ because, you know, like she moved to the United States essentially, you know, to, you know, give me a potentially better life. So she, you know, long storage of without getting into any intense detail. She's made an overwhelming amount of sacrifices for me to have as good of a life as I possibly can. So for that, I'm, I'm infinitely grateful. Like, I think that she did a really good job. The reason why I asked you is because, like, my mom, obviously, like, she, like, she had to deal with her, the love of her life dying at the same time trying to deal with, uh, raising two kids, myself and my brother. And, um, I think it's,

I think it's really, you know, I had a brother. The way you looked at me. Yeah, I got a brother. He's a hippie. He's a hippie. Sorry. Sorry, Andrew. I mean, I mean, yeah, he's kind of, he lives in a van. Okay. Yeah. How old is he? He's, he's, he's sometimes two years, sometimes one year older than me. Depends on the time of the year. He was born in December. Okay. Okay. So, um, yeah, I just think it's interesting. The reason why I ask you, because like, uh, I wonder, because you talk about the, you know, obviously the fatherly figure, the fatherly energy, like the masculineity, you obviously got, and I'm asking you really, did you get, did you get enough of the feminine energy from your mom? Like, because I, for sure, I know that I did, like the love and the care.

I got so much of this energy. Obviously, father's love and care about you, too, guys. I'm not saying, like, masculinity. Yeah, they're both very different, but both very vital. Yeah. So I was curious because of that because, like, I think I got a lot of that. And I also think at the same time I got a lot of because this is the one thing that I think is really interesting about. not having the fatherly energy when I was very young and I maybe I took it this way I

from my mom I never got a lot of like this is what you need to do right so so it's actually interesting because so my mom I believe she gave me you know sufficient you know feminine energy was fine in that regard but she had to because she knows that my father figure is you know absent so she has to overcompensate and instill like some like kind of masculine values in the sense and She did as good of a job as she could, but it's just not the same because she's not a man, right? So like there's a lot of women like a lot of moms that, you know, you know, you know, unconsciously try to instill some masculine virtues in their children because they know the father situations are absent or missing, whatever. But and it's a very, very noble good effort, but it's just simply not the same as having actual like males around, which is why like things like the gym, camaraderie, you know, like coaches, mentors, sports, all those things. like absolutely vital like you need that yeah like it is essential and so i had a lot of that but i also it's crazy because i look back at my life a thing that i try and remind myself or encourage other people like at the same time as as like crazy as it could sound or like maybe like not self

sadness or anything but like because i didn't have that father figure at the same time like i kind of was uh directionless it was you could be taken as a bad thing and also a good thing because no one kind of told me this is what you need to do at the same time even though i kind of wanted that direction because no one told me this is what i needed to do or i had to do this or i got to be this way i developed like kind of just uniquely to myself almost like without like because like you know if you grow up and you have a dad was like you got to get this job and then you got to do this and then this is a deception to take you to this college like you might have that more like that more demanding energy of like what you should do with your life from your parents a lot

of times enforced by a father figure i didn't have that so i think a large part of me at the time even though like I needed it was it was it's a blessing and a curse at the same time because I was able to be like well I want to do this and that's very interesting that you say that because I could see that on myself a lot as well because for example because I was predominantly raised by my mom so if you look at what the father figure does it kind of instills you know boundaries and like discipline in a sense and you know the motherly the feminine energy is much more soothing it gives way it's more nurturing compassion and empathetic and stuff so when my mom would see me, you know, be like passionate about certain things or want to do certain things, she'd be like, oh, like, he's passionate about that.

I'm going to let him do that. Like if he doesn't, like, go to bed on time, if he doesn't clean his room, if he doesn't uphold with these, you know, little, like, duties, it's, she doesn't, she's not going to interfere with that because she's going to let me do the thing that I'm passionate about. But which is a blessing and a curse. And it's a blessing because I could unapologetically get into the things that I want to get into and that uniquely develop my own personality. But at the same time, it's a curse because there's a fine line that should be drawn somewhere with, like, certain, like, duty. things you should or shouldn't do with a masculine role you know comes in and does and so i mean that's kind of what got me like it's like magic like videography like lifting and stuff but um fuck what was it going to get back no well you said something earlier that i thought was interesting you you were talking about how you got good at certain things and not good at other things yeah for example i could like oh okay this is what i was going to say so you yeah go ahead you said that you felt you know roughly speaking just direction less like you had you had you had you

you know, unique talents, abilities, passions, intelligence, but you just, you know, didn't really know which way to pay because there was, I was just trying to figure it out. Yeah, exactly. So I'm going to say, like, that kind of, in a way answers your question of like, why am I not as like active on social media or whatever? Because from a certain viewpoint, I'm like, I understand, okay, I know everything I need to do. I know how the algorithm works. I know what people like to see.

I know, like, I could, if I really, you know, decided to, I could just succeed in social media and that isolated hierarchy to an exponentially high degree, but like a part of me is like, why am I doing this? Like exactly? Like why? Like what's the point? Because I'm just like unsure. So for me, you know, do something and do it properly, there has to be that base of like just

passion and like a way to the go down essentially and like a reason that I'm doing it, right? So I feel like that's kind of explains a lot of my, you know, apprehensiveness to make sufficiently you know, content or like show up on social media in a certain way, but that's how it's changing in a sense of recent because I am getting more of a solidified understanding a lot of it coming to do with my like responsibility to help you know guys out in general kind of how you so yeah that's definitely the case but yeah yeah you were saying like really good at certain things terrible like there's things that I'm like like shuffling cars little shit like I'm so fucking good at that but then just other you know very basic elementary human things I'm just shit no I completely

really that's why I want to talk about it and that's what I was talking about the fatherly energy the motherly energy like you learn certain things certain like traits or certain like ways to be with other people I'm not even talking about just like you know an action like playing a sport or like I'm talking about like interacting with other people socially like relationship wise all these different things that I know for sure it took me years and I'm still learning how to be like good in a relationship with a woman like I have a fucking terrible time sometimes with like trust and all these things that are like deeply like tied up to my fucking past like I'm I've been constantly trying to work through because I was more focused on other things in my life at

trying to like be successful at them or trying to be good at whatever right and I was never really great at addressing or like going head first at those things and like bro I mean I was telling you I had a fucking eight year relationship that like I fucking destroyed you know I destroyed from the beginning because I was so afraid like after I got into a relationship prior to her and it was like I had this form of attachment I was like I feel like I love this person and looking back now was just as like I didn't want to let go because I was so afraid of loss because I didn't want to deal with loss because I was I was dealing with it my whole life like I was afraid to to really love and then when I really loved and it was the wrong person then they're like gone

you're like oh I'm heartbroken and then I found the girl that I actually really love and then I was playing both sides of the fence this is the eight year girl and I was playing both sides of the fence so there's a girl prior who was like I love her and she broke my heart and I was so sad I was calling my mom every day crying saying like oh why is this and if I just did that it would be like this and if I didn't do this and it could be like that and and this is all in retrospect like you never see it in the moment and then it's like and then I met a girl who's like this amazing person like just got out of like a bad relationship where she had trust issues has some like father's stuff like there's a lot of stuff but I came into it being like well I don't

want to get hurt anymore because I was just hurt but like I like I like this person let me like let me like play both sides of the fence like kind of be here but like not really be here because I'm gonna protect myself and so it's like flirt with other girls and do all the shit they're like man I tell you eight years later like right now sitting here in front of you today like I regret doing that I did it because I thought I needed to do it to protect myself and the number one thing that it taught me was like if you live based on like what you've been through constantly if you're just living on what you've been through you're not really going to see much change in your life like in any sense if you're like if you base all your decisions off of just what you've

been through like in sort of like uh um without being like okay i've been through this what did i learn just like i've been through this now i'm here i've been through that now i'm here i've been through that now i'm here the difference i'm saying is like i've been through that like what what what happened to me like who am i now what did i learn how did i get better how did i get worse and i didn't realize that until it's too late you know what i'm saying like you don't realize that until you're like i'm looking back eight years and i'm like fuck man like i see exactly what i did wrong and it's like and then you get to a point with that person depending on their own like life where when they mature and understand what they really want or like when they're you know

because like you understand you learn what you want you learn what you don't want like you learn that more and more through the experiences but if you're not looking at the experiences for what they are and trying to understand those things you have a much harder time making like a concrete decision and like moving forward and you kind of live like you know they talk about relations when people have them and then it's like you have relationship with a girl and then it's like it didn't work out because of this and then you find another girl and then it didn't work out because they're like the same kind of thing and then it didn't work out

because it's the same thing because they're not really addressing what the fuck is going on with them. Yeah, well it's almost a little unfair to say that oh like you like found out too late or whatever because the way that people behave in their introssexual dynamics

in their relationships with you know the opposite gender you know romantic relationships literally it comes down to you know how they were raised in their family right just like subconscious program even when the child is in the womb

like when you're literally a baby in your mom's stomach just the way that you the mother and the father acting, there's like weird metaphysical intuitions that the children's like getting and learning and building and all that. So, you know, nowadays, like the likelihood of someone having a completely normal, traditional, healthy nuclear family upbringing is extremely low. Almost everyone has like issues. It's just simply the case. And no one's really aware of exactly what's wrong. They're running on autopilot. They're getting to relationships. They're unhappy. They, you know, they break up. They move on to the next one. There's like this recurring, recurring theme.

So it's obviously it's important to stop and, you know, analyze your behavior, try to, you know, get a pattern going. And it's like look in and try to figure out, you know, why you're doing what you're doing. But it's normal, healthy and almost like, hey, at least I believe to make those mistakes. If you want to make them mistakes, you wouldn't know what's, you know, initially wrong. But just if you don't address those situations and you just keep, you know, going on all. It's almost more comfortable to continue dysfunctional unhealthy relationships. as painful as they may be, it's almost more enjoyable and easier to do that than address, you know, the serious issues at hand because that requires, you know, pain, introspection,

growth, et cetera. These are so perfect, right? 100% facts. My question to you, just, just, I want to see what your opinion is on this, based on just your fucking life and 22 years old from that perspective. Why do you think it is so much more difficult to do that than like go order a fucking sam? Like, why do, why are people so afraid of that?

Go order or what, like a food? Go order or say, like, you can decide, like, you might have a hard time. You're like, do I want this or do I want that? It's something simple, right, that you'd be like, that should seem simple. When obviously this is not simple, but why do you think people are afraid of it? Because that's what it comes down to. People are afraid of dealing with that deep internal, that deep-seated thing that's, like, makes you, that drives you or pushes you this way or pushes you that way. People are afraid of it.

Why do you think they're afraid of it from your perspective? Well, two reasons, I guess. One, because generically speaking, anything that's uncomfortable, you'd rather do something else. This goes back to what we were saying initially when it comes to fitness, right? Why would I want to go through all this work and building my body, eating this way, going to the gym when I could just order this in and out of this, this, that right? So just generically speaking, you know, things that are enjoyable, valuable, valuable worth having in life, they require work and difficulty get to because that's just simply how it is. But two, it's also pretty, it's pretty hard, like in the sense, because it's so subconscious, the way that you're acting, you don't understand. So it almost requires like a profound psychedelic experience, like going to.

therapy consistently or just like sitting in meditation for a long period of time you know trying to work things out so even once you like decide that you know you want to figure out what's going on it's still like it's as much work as it is building a body going to the gym like like therapy talk like you know you know it's hard it is it's very very hard and i'm not sitting here oh i fucking have all my shit figured out by any means i'm obviously still i don't either i'm still which is crazy bro like you know it's so crazy man i remember being a fucking kid legit being like 17 8 18, 19, 22, but even more so when I was younger, like 12, 14 and being, like, looking at it to like 22 year olds and like 30 year olds and be like, these motherfuckers

understand it, man. Like, they know it. They know what they're doing. Like, they got the cars. They just bought a house. And I remember growing up being like, damn, when I'm there, like, I'm going to understand too. And now I'm here of 31. Like, I'm still trying to fucking figure my life out.

Like, I have a, obviously, my life is much, much different now. And like, I can move differently because of all the things that I've been able to create or bring into my life. But at the same time, like, you still consistent. instantly find yourself being like, well, what do I really want to do like now? Like what's really pushing me? What's driving? What's making me passionate?

Like, what's making me like who I am right now today? And it's never always the same thing. I mean, there might be a core value, like a core belief. But like you're constantly evolving and constantly changing. I think that's important to tell people listening because like a lot of people at times be like, I just don't know what I want to do. And I'm going to ask you a question after this. But I always, because people would talk to me and I would always have this conversation

with people when I met him in person, like at Expo. or whatever at the gym they come say what up and and they'd be like how did you figure out what you wanted to do like how did you get to like do fitness and my best advice to everyone anyone listening is like just do things you think you like and do things that you enjoy and you don't have to be like okay I like working out so I need to make money like that's not the right mindset to have like just try and figure out what you like what really makes you happy when you do it and try and do it and try and be better at and try and be better at it and then at some point there may be an opportunity maybe be like oh I might be able to monetize

But a lot of people started this way. They're like, oh, I want to make money. I see you doing it. Let's do it. Yeah, it's a really good point. I think yielding into your instincts is very, very important and calibrating your internal comps in that regard. But yeah, for example, like for me, when it came to fitness, I was just so passionate

about it. Like I said, I didn't have any predetermined outcome of, you know, being a fitness influence or whatever that means. That wasn't even like a conception or a turn back in the day, but I just followed my gut and I arrived in a certain position. But I feel like what a lot of people do is they'll see, okay, this person, person behaved in this way, they did this thing, these things, and they achieved this high level in this particular dominant hierarchy, right? How could I, in the most like, machiavellianly

sociopathic way, reverse engineer what they did to get to their position? Because I think that if I arrive in their position, I will be happy, satisfied, fulfilled, et cetera, right? Then you'll have a lot of people doing that. They'll get to that point. They're like, fuck. I'm like, I'm like not happy. So it's really, I mean, it's tricky. It's like, it's seductively tempting. to almost like want to do that sometimes, but it's that it's not the right path to go down because like what you do should come from a place of kind of like authenticity in the sense. And I feel like in a way almost the more concrete and clear your vision of what you want to do it.

And like, I don't know, that's the right way to put it. It's important to do something like you have to the things that you do like to be like fulfill. Like, for example, like fame, money, success, whatever. That should be like, you know, we all know. It should be like a byproduct of like doing what you love. The people that like put the form before the ladder, however you put it, you know, chase all that. Like, they'll get there and they, they won't be that happy. But other people will perceive them as happy.

And they'll know that other people perceive them as happy. So they'll like keep pretending like they're happy and like feeding off the validation from the people that think that they're happy. But like deep at night when they're laying on the pill like, fuck, I'm unhappy. But I'm going to continue on. Yeah. Well, that's a lot of people live their lives like that. Yeah. Like a lot of people live.

their lives like that yeah and that's i think it like i say it's it's figuring out what you really like what you really want to because people would i did ask i mean this people would hit me up and be like yo um i i want to do what you do and then they're like and i'm like this is the number one question i was asked people why and they go they go like this they go i want to help people and i say why it's not enough yeah oh because like you know i want good for people i'm like why you know it's like and i remember i had this conversation at least a hundred fucking times and I'm always get down to the point and like I was like ask me why I do what I want to do ask me why I'm doing like what you see me doing ask me why I ask me why I'm be like because I'm

trying to be a person I'm trying to be something that I didn't have in my life growing up I'm trying to be that for another human being and I could say without a shadow doubt like that is 100% the thing that drives me and I'm not saying everyone needs to know exactly what that is like for whatever you're doing but like if you know in your heart if you go this is why I'm doing it because it's a good opportunity and I can make money you can be successful you can find success but when you get to that point where you're like i have the dollars like you said are you at night being like why i'm really fulfilled if dollars are the things that really fulfill you then fine but you like i know so many people i know people with all kinds billionaires all this

like ridiculous amount of money and they all are saying the same thing everyone says the same thing like you could have all the money in the world that's not going to make you happy of course i want everyone listening to fucking pursue their goals financial goals dreams get a nice house get a nice car have all those amazing things but you will realize when you have that that's not the thing that's like oh i'm fucking happy and the ironic thing about that is if you live your life in a way that before you have all that you're able to find happiness i guarantee you're able to figure out a way to find all that money do that through that genuine happiness and that genuine purpose and if you're able to like i can honestly say like i am so fucking happy with the way my life has gone all the bad

shit all the negative shit that i've gone through on the internet all the shit that i've gone through my personal life all the shit i've gone through my relationships my i fucked up the eight year relationship the the my my father taking his life and all the moments in between that i was like fucking heartbreak all these thoughts of like you know i don't want to go there but like depression and all these different things where we're like this is this is shit to now where i'm at being able to have this conversation with you and just even share this shit with everyone listening i wouldn't change a fucking thing and it's very i i'm not saying it's easy to get there because like everyone to find their way to get there is is like very unique to

them and their timing and their ability to learn or to say, wait, this happened, what can I learn from it? Because a lot of things, things will happen. Then you're like, you don't care. It's so bad that like you can't even really begin to process it to learn something from it because you more like push it away. But when you start to go and look into those things, then you find more and more clarity and more clarity in your life. So you start to get a better picture about what's really making you happy and what you really want to do with your life. But if you don't address those things like I was kind of saying earlier, then it's very hard to figure out what's going to really make me feel fulfilled. And I think that's the most important.

thing in life is to try and figure that out. Even if you never figure it out, you need to try to figure it out. Yeah. Like in kind of what I was like saying before, how I was into magic, good at it. People asked me, you want to do this for a living or you want to do this in the few, this is your passion, the thing you want to do, career, whatever. I'm like, not really. Same thing with hockey. Oh, not really. But with lifting. It was like, yep, this is it. But the reason I even got to this is it like moment was because I attempted, I tried certain things. So you, if you don't have that, you know, sense of, you know, direction, passion, about something like what you need to do is to try to do certain things you're naturally going

to be drawn towards vague genres categories things activities etc right and then you just dabble with them right don't have an algorithm just just do it right and then from there it'll it'll take you where you need to go but just what you need to do is you just need to do those things and for some some people can get lucky some people the first thing that they do when they're 15 years old they become they fall in love with they're great everything's wonderful right for some people they can be 40 years old they can figure it out then but the point is regardless of where you are in that position, all you could do is just try things. And be able to discern the difference, but like whether you're doing it for, you know,

egotistical reasons or, you know, this is an intrinsic fulfillment type of thing, right? If you lean more towards the intrinsic fulfillment, more often than not, you, you know, put some repetitions of different things to do in there, you'll arrive like out a happy place. For sure. No matter how much you actually have. Yeah. But it's ironic to think that the thing that like most people chase, which is the money, like a lot of people chase. Because like I said, I would get messages to people be like, oh, I see you must be doing really well. Like I wanted to do that.

Just literally based off of the money thing, you find those are the people who chase it away, the people who are chasing the money. Like I need to get, I need to have it versus like, well, like me, the way that I make money am I being, am I feeling happy about it? Like, and I can say for sure the way that I'm able to do it, I'm super fucking like, I don't, I honestly, there's a part of me that is a little, not ashamed, but a little bit like I feel very, very lucky that I was able to figure it out. and I can honestly say without a doubt in my mind,

I don't know how I was able to figure it out. I don't know how I was able to, like, get to this point in my life. Besides, obviously, all my experiences, but I don't know what taught me along the way. Like, I remember being a fucking kid, man, like being, like, 12 years old, walking to school every morning and, like, fucking stopping, like, halfway to school

and, like, going into, like, with a cut, you know, everyone would, like, smoke weed and shit. I don't know if they called it the cut where you're from, but West Coast slang, like, Northern California, like San Francisco slaying like if you went into like where there was like the bushes where kids would go into the cut and smoke weed like before school after school I would go there like by myself and like cry like dead ass like just being feeling sorry for myself and then like throughout the whole day I remember thinking like I remember always being in my head like man like

what's the point of all this what's the point of life like what's what is death because I would always be like I have anxiety around dying we kind of talked about a little bit but I was always so concerned with like what's the point of my life like what's the point of my life like what's What's going to make me happy? Why did my dad kill himself? Like all these questions are like, you just couldn't fucking answer. I couldn't answer as a kid,

but I remember always, man, I'd be doing some shit like school, PE class, whatever, history class doesn't matter, talking to a friend. And I would always have this like monologue with the person, like not a monologue, this dialogue with a person like this. And like my brain would be somewhere else over here

also thinking like this other ass perspective about like almost like outside, like what's the purpose of this? Like who am I? Like my whole, but like my whole fucking. childhood and it's crazy because like I don't know what the fuck did that like something happened to me yes I experienced something that was not great like by most people's standards

but for some reason I was able to figure things out differently like versus my brother I know who took it a different way and like you know you could fucking call me later whatever you see this podcast but um I think he took it a lot more negatively and wasn't able to like try to make and obviously I took it negatively as well but like I don't know maybe I was trying to make more sense out of it sooner and because I had all those repetitions like from six years old trying to understand like what the fuck is going on and who am I and what is death and what does it mean to me and what is alive what's the purpose of this why am I here like who am I trying to be like I try to figure that out for selling that maybe now that's why I'm able to sit here

and be like at 31 years old it kind of starts to make more sense for me even though at the same time I'm still figuring out so much more about myself I don't know I just want to share that because like if you're listening I I'm just fucking grateful man I'm grateful to be able to sit across from you and talk to you about where you've been in your life. And I'm, I'm really grateful that you seem to be another light that is very rare in this industry that is able to speak and share his, like, legit consciousness to people without being, like, afraid. And that's what's needed. We need more of that.

100% we need more of that. Like, I wanted that. I needed that. I wanted to see that. And I'm grateful that I've been able to be that. And I'm really happy that I've been able to sit across this right now and talk to you. and the short time they ever actually spent

because I knew about you for years and I maybe came across or we did something you came to zoo or some shit at some point or we had some conversation but never anything like really meaningful and I'm grateful that I've been able to share this

and I'm grateful that you're going to be another person at 22 years old I think that is going to be able to have a really great impact on a lot of young men that fucking need it and a lot of men in general that need it people don't talk about this kind of shit like men are not talking about this kind of shit people who are looked as like

these strong figures are not speaking about this kind of stuff they're just like I'm a strong figure you know like for example no hate no shade on the rock but like I've never seen the rock really talk like deeply about certain things I see him like yo I'm the guy he's the dude he's the man I love the rock

but like I wish someone like that even would have conversation about like where they've been what they've been through like without just being like yeah I went through this and I'm here now and it's great because everyone can see that and it's great like we all see how great it is like man that motherfucker's like he's fucking jacked he's fucking lean he's the best fucking movie star in the world

doing all these crazy movies and shit best is obviously an opinion right don't fucking quote me on that but like he was a high spayed actor he got all these accolades right but i don't feel like enough of those people are like and this is not up to them like i can't tell them how to run their business or brand or do whatever the fuck it's not it's not up to me right it's up to them excuse me i think but i do believe that more people should be talking about stuff like this and i think we're blessed to be in the industry that like it is very egotistical driven about how you look are you tall you short you got big muscles you got a small waist

are you strong can you do these things are you athletic and it's all it's all outside it's all superficial right so i think the people who will be more successful in the years to come are always going to be the people who are able to look inside and say yeah i could have all these things how did i get there what moved me what what what what made me better like what obstacles that i have to go through like who am i as a person and like and and you being able to be one of those people i think is it's just fucking incredible we need more like that so someone listening who's 16 17 years old because you're you love david and you're like love his shit or you're 22 or you're 30 whatever the fuck or you like my shit, I challenge you and I encourage you to try to look more inside of

yourself or the things that really bother you, the things that really make you happy, the things that really make you, you, and try to understand those things, not just from a perspective of like, if it's bad, I want to avoid it, but why is it bad? Why does it make you feel that way? I just, I challenge you guys to think more deeply because that's the only thing that I did. I could look back on my life, like I said. That's why I told you guys a story. I was constantly thinking about who am i why why does this make me feel this way and it was i remember like thinking do other kids think like this are people like am i fucking weird like what the fuck is going on why do i have these thoughts why are there so many why does it feel like there's so many

levels to it and sometimes very out of control and yeah man it's it's it's just cool to have someone 22 years old like paving paving a similar path in his own way and i just think that's beautiful yeah no i mean that that means a lot i appreciate that and Like you said, finally it's about time. Like we vaguely known about each other for a while, but I always knew that. Like seven years or some shit, dude. Yeah. I knew that we would click very, very well.

It was sick. I love it, man. So at 22 years old, like, what would you say to people listening who are like 17 years old, 16, and they're just getting into, like, fitness because they, maybe they know your story a little bit, or they just found their life into fitness? And what would you say to those people that they should not necessarily focus on, but, like, be open to? people getting into fitness if you're you know mid teen 16 17 etc um i'm trying to think because when i was that age i'm trying to think the things that i looked up to saw on social media like

instagram wasn't really a thing it was just me on the youtube but nowadays you know you're hit with all these crazy big shredded vainy strong physiques everywhere and stuff so you might be you know, tempted to, you know, just take shortcuts or not, you know, do things properly. I would, just generically speaking, things that I would recommend for someone that age is learn the compound movements, have proper, have proper. And that's another thing, like, for example, that I was like saying this when we were filming a video with you, that a lot of people look up to you as, you know, an icon of fitness and mentor, someone that's smart about that because you look the part.

But there's plenty of people that look the part that have absolutely no clue what they're doing. They just have good genetics. They work really hard. You know, they eat, you know, vaguely and cleanly, and they just look great. But you, like, you, Olympic weightlifting background and your powerlifting, that you know, you know, like, what you're doing. So going back to advice, you know, to give to someone, you know, just starting out from, like, you know, physical standpoint, you know, learn the movements, learn them with proper form, you know, you know, everyone's heard this many times, like, keep your ego, like, out the door, like, in check. Make sure your form's on point. Get on, maybe get on, like, a program, right?

Like, where you could, like, track your progress because the way that you're going to progress is the, essentially progressive over whether that be more weight more reps more volume like you want to because a lot of people they can go in the gym and they can just like train super hard get a crazy pump and feel like they're working super hard and like yeah like I feel great but the thing is if you train super intensely like that all the time you might burn yourself out you might not be able to have recurring back-to-back workouts that level of intensity and you're also you're kind of shooting darts yeah you might be wonder why you're doing this yeah because you're just wavy yeah there's no linear progression you're not tracking your progress in the sense so compound lifts

doing with proper form get stronger and give a time and just you know be patient but another thing that i would say is that when i started lifting i was you know ectomorph super skinny fast metabolism poor appetite right so i would just shove just dirty dingy gringy disgusting foods in my system and that was me too yes not good not a smart one i mean you could you could you can get away with it when you're younger like you'll be fine like you'll still be healthy you'll be good but recently i've really changed my diet to just being much, much, much, much, like, healthier. And I've noticed, like, a ridiculous change, particularly mentally. Like, I would look, I would look back to, like, voiceovers when I was, like, 17 years old training. And I can't even form a sentence,

like, like, um, um, it's just like terrible. So, I mean, if you could do it, if you could, you know, start like, eat. Because the reason you get into fitness, you know, is to be a healthier, better, stronger version of yourself, right? If you eat a bunch of shitty, horrible, wretched foods just to get your skeletal muscle to a larger size you'll look like a healthy in shape person but you might not necessarily be the healthiest right which is you know it's whatever right but i personally i would suggest doing it like in as healthy way as humanly possible like eating like clean which is this is like a new a new opinion of my because before you came up to me like years ago i'm like McDonald's big mac shove it down olive oil gallons of it a day and now my stance

is much more like leaning like towards like the healthier side right you can i mean if you're just starting out you're like super skinny you're young gay you can get away with all that but like long term for overall health not even like your aesthetic appeal or how you look i think it's better to there's another side to this though there's remember i told you the other day at the gym there's another side dining too hard oh yeah we talk about a few guys at the gym my personal story like there was a point when i was i was uh 18 and i was extremely like overdoing everything overdoing the diet overdoing the training because I didn't know I didn't know what my limits were but it was at a point where like I ate like no healthy fats it was like blueberries oatmeal chicken spinach

all this dry maybe every once in a while like a cooked in like a little bit of olive oil and that's like that was like my diet and like broccoli and I got to the point where I legit could not get my dick hard at 18 years old because I went too hard because I like I didn't have an understanding so like you're saying about learning basic stuff for nutrition that is so fucking essential man like even if you you don't need to know like the crazy degrees of like what it should or shouldn't be like after i experienced like not being able to get my dick hard at 18 years old i was like holy fuck what is wrong with me that's also when i learned a fuck ton about nutrition i got so enamored with it because i was like i want my dick to work yeah i mean

so i learned yeah i mean that's a good example like people that eat like too clean that's like way too far on that in this spectrum you get a situation like you you were probably eating like generic body builder like tupperware container rice i was probably like 12 100 calories a day. Yeah, like seven grams of fat tops, like, if that, yeah, for example, a lot of people like if they want to get like lean or shredded, like, oh, like, you know, like lower fat because fat sounds fat, it's fat on my, you know, fat is it doesn't work that way, guys. It doesn't work that way.

Yeah. Fat is absolutely essential for hormone production. 100% long, like sustain energy. Like it's very, very crucial. Like if you're dieting, I mean, at least probably at least 50, 60 grams of fat, like at least. Like, so just don't worry about putting your fats down too low. Yeah. And, but yeah, you know, a lot of people, like, I know people that are, you know, they're like lean.

They have a good amount of muscle. They have like some good tone on them. They look good, but they want to get bigger. And they're always complaining like, why am I not getting bigger? And I keep telling like, listen, like, you got to up the calories. Like you have to, you know, temporarily put up with being maybe slightly more fluffier than you would prefer. Yeah. But, you know, it's what it's going to have to take to get to that point.

So if you're working out and you're a male and you're between the ages of 13 and 50, right? If your libido isn't, like, sufficient, like, if you're not waking up with, like, like morning wood like relatively consistently have a healthy sex drive that is a problem you need to go reverse energy to look at the diet and you need to fix that it's probably a caloric issue like if you're eating too little calories that's a problem or like a fat intake thing or if you know that doesn't cover it I would definitely like see a doc nutrition something like that but you need to get that sorted out yeah for sure that was a crazy time in my life but like I said that's because it happened to me like literally like I couldn't like I had a girlfriend I was like oh fuck very

embarrassing moments and I was forced to learn. So I'm encouraged you guys, don't force yourselves to learn. Um, just it's really simple. Like pick up like a basic nutrition book and just learn the basics. And you'll see how like, how like what protein is essential for, what carbohydrates are essential for and what fat is essential for. I mean we can give a very brief breakdown now. Like you have your caloric maintenance. How many calories a day to maintain your weight. You eat more than that. You'll gain weight. You eat less than that you lose weight. Simple. But when it comes to your body composition, a muscle to fat ratio, that goes down to your macronutrient breakdown, which is fat,

protein carb, fat, nine grams of calorie, right? Carbs, nine grams, yeah, yeah, one gram is nine calories. Carbs, one gram is four calories, protein one gram is four calories. Protein builds the muscle, carbs, generically speaking, gives you the energy, like, you know, gets uptaken as glucose in the muscle and fat, long-stained energy, like hormone production and stuff. So when you're leaning, you want to eat a little bit more protein, and then when you're, like, it's funny, because when you're bulking,

the more calories you eat, the less protein is actually vital. So you can maybe get like a gram or pound body weight. Because the other nutrients are making the protein last a little bit longer. Like it goes stretches a little bit further. Yeah. So, I mean, just speaking, caloric intake dictates your body weight. Macronutrient ratios dictate your body composition. Because this is a big one.

People are going to be like, I know people watching this. They probably click on this like for any reason. Right away is like they always go, how do I gain weight? I know you've heard that thousands of fucking times. And you're like, eat problem. It is. Literally a map problem and consistency with it. And that's it.

Eat more. Come up like at an expo or whatever. Like, how do you gain weight? I'm just like, I've been research. I've been thinking about it. Bro, I've been here for years.

I've been reading ancient scripts and just like seeking therapists and everything. How do I do? And I'm like, the hieroglyphs aren't going to tell you. It's like really like yeah. You just eat more. It's that simple. Like whatever you're eating if that's not gaining weight.

It's by definition not enough. So you eat more. Yeah. Still not gaining weight. Guess what? Eat more. Oh, now you're gaining weight.

Boom. Done. Perfect. And then you can start to play around with how much, like, depending on how you start to look. Like, are you getting a little bit too soft? But you can't be like, okay, now I'm getting soft. I'm going to cut all this out and be like, I still want to gain weight. It doesn't work that way.

So, yeah, people get caught up in it. And that's probably the most asked question I've had over the last fucking eight years of anything, like 10 years of this shit. The last 10 years, people ask me, I eat so much, but I don't gain weight. I always told him the same thing, you're not eating enough, period. There's no way around that, guys. But, yeah, I wanted to touch on that. Is there anything fitness-wise or anything you wanted to ask me, fitness-related questions? I'm trying to.

Like, what are your-like diets and shit? What are your, like, maybe it's more personal questions. But what are your, like, fitness goals now? Do you essentially just want to be? Because I remember you saying that, like, you'll maybe, like, at your peak, it'll be there maybe 270, 275, 265, something like that. Yeah. And, you know, it's nice being that big, you're all big, powerful, strong, living all this stuff.

But, like, it doesn't necessarily, like, feeling your moments, moment, experience in life isn't that like pleasant so you were saying that you want to you know lean down maybe get more into like fighting yeah yeah i i my biggest was like 275 and i was like huge and there was a point where i was just kind of like i just don't i don't feel comfortable i felt really fucking strong and but like basic shit was kind of like cumbersome where i'm like i rather just stay at home i don't want to go here i don't want to walk right basic shit that's like i shouldn't feel like that so normally i hang around like 260 which i feel great lately i've been like 255 in the morning, like 260 at night after all my meals. I want to get to somewhere

around like 245, 240, 235 at my leanest. And I would love to get in some more like combat sports stuff for sure. Like, because you see all these YouTube stuff. Like I would love to do it. Like I know that I have the dedication needed to get good at a sport. I'm not sitting here telling you guys like, I'm a professional boxer or a MMA fighter. Like I'm not that. Obviously you guys know that. But I do know I have what it takes if I was like, okay, this is exactly what I want to do to put my mind towards it to be better at it, for sure. I think that if you were to answer that space in any way, shape, or form, you'd be extremely successful because, like, one,

no matter what weight you cut down on, you have just such a base of muscle and strength that, like, you're good. And two, you're very, very athletic. So with the weight and strength that you, muscle and strength that you have, you could use it in the most optimal fashion possible because of your, you know, proper, you know, Olympic weight lifting back and weight lifting back.

And when you're lifting weights in the gym, you're not just brood muscle lifting it up. Like, your technique is as good as it can be. and then you're complimenting that with the amount of contractile tissue you have to lift as much as possible. So with your athleticism and with your, you know, because I know that once you get into it, you're going to be like obsessed what they want to do as good as possible. Like you would be. Especially if I was going to actually fight, man.

Especially if I was going to really fight like, especially like a YouTuber. But I always run into the same thing. There's no one who's like the same way. I don't think anyone's fight you. Yeah. That too, maybe. I like to poke them a little bit to see because all the same time, like I couldn't, I couldn't make a video because I know I could make a video and be like, fuck you Jake Paul

fuck you Logan or fuck you whoever the fuck is doing this awesome McBroom whatever but if I made a video did that they'd be like you're a bully you know because you're too big you're too big so I'd have to

I have to like find my way in there where it's like where I had to get myself called out and be like I could do it yeah you have to play the long game kind of drop a few shells provoked kind of clear and get them to say it and then react the proper way because like I want to do it I do really want to do it

and I have been training more like I've been training judo I've been training more like combat stuff but I do want to like get into that realm a little bit more i do know i'd have to practice more boxing uh obviously and more wrestling because to be honest i don't know if i'd really like to do i mean when i say boxing more stand-up and then more like floor work i would rather i think if i were to pick one do m-m-a i'd rather yeah so obviously i'd like to use my whole body in that right especially if i'm put like my name and all the shit on the line like i'd like to be you i don't

want to be to boxing me and being like fuck i just can't hit this motherfucker you know because like i'd be in there like all right i'm gonna tackle him and hit him in the face like if i could and hit someone, I would like to be able to use my other assets and, like, make it a real fight, especially if I'm going to fucking fight. I want to, like, really fight. I don't want to. But that's interesting how, like, a lot of, like, you know, social media celebrities are now are, like, actually, you know, going into combative sports and training to a high caliber and performing to, like, a massive audience. Like, do you feel like there's going to be, like, a lot more of that's going to transition to MMA? There's going to be a whole league dedicated

to people on social media. Remember, oh, someone said this today? You remember a celebrity death match? No. Oh, my God. Yes, because I'm so fucking old. Sorry. So a celebrity death match was like these little clay figurines that like they would have like celebrities at the time they were popping. This was been on MTV or some shit. I don't know, which is like dead now. But like like imagine little clay figurines that they shot and they made them like in like a WWE like arena like kill each other. Like in this little like obviously we're not killing each other. But like imagine you know like clay claymation type shit filmed in but it's like little small like must have been painstakingly long to film but like exactly. But they would like you know it'd be like Tyson versus someone. He would like bite. the head off or some crazy but it's like a little cartoonish and so that's funny because like I think it is not going to go towards killing each other obviously but I think a lot more like celebrities might get into it like specifically social media celebrities but if anything like I know like a lot of people like can hold the viewpoint of like oh it's disrespecting the true sport because you're having these like amateur people like that have a lot of attention like

fighting and it's like you know almost degrading and disrespecting the sport like I could understand that viewpoint but at the same time like to go through that to eat like okay it's like take like Logan Paul whoever like he fought recently obviously if they went into like a real arena with real box they would get destroyed but like what they went through to get to the level of competence and skill that they are that was like a huge huge transformative progress and I'm sure a lot of people are now inspired to maybe do a combative sport I mean and it's brought a lot more eyes to it yeah exactly it's brought more eyes to it as well but I don't know it could be it could definitely be a cool thing but it's interesting like noticing how that's becoming like

more popular what about you you're going to fight I don't know we're the same height right Oh, let's fucking go. I love it, dude. Oh, I would love it. He's got to give me 30 pounds. Yeah, I know. That'd be a good ass fucking fight. Damn.

Oh, man. So, yeah, it's like, I definitely see myself doing more of that because, like, it's just I, when I start to train those things, I'm like, whoa, I love this. Like, I loved weightlifting the first time I started doing it. And that's what I was like, maybe I need to do more of this. Because it's the same thing. Like, we were talking earlier about follow things that you're loving. Like, genuinely, when I was, when I'm doing the BJJ stuff, like,

specifically no gey i like it without the gey because with the gey i need to learn way more with no gees just like if we wrestled right now um i was like damn i'm fucking good at this i like this shit and i have like these people who are like black belt world champions going to like a fucking thing next week to like get a world championship title who are like you're fucking good at this and they're amazing like they destroy me but like they're like you almost had me though yeah like for your like but a world champion the fact that you even almost had me that's saying a lot one week you know like skill yeah i mean i mean I could definitely see it being like that, yeah.

That'd be fucking, I just, I just need to do more of it. See, I'm actually getting into it too. So, like, I'm doing like a little like Muay, like Brazilian jiu-jitsu now. And like, I've, like, wrestled with like a few people, like, just here and there, like, throughout my life. Like, people that I've actually, you know, they do jiu-jitsu and stuff. And I was even, like, you know, like, pin some of them. Or even if I wasn't, like, oh, like, wow, like, you're, you know, more competent than I would have initially thought. So now that I'm actually dabbling within a little bit, I could just, I just see myself becoming fucking head over heels, obsessed with it.

how it was with everything else because I just love the fucking challenge yeah it's a challenge and the infinite technicalities and just treating it like a chess match that's the craziest thing if you wear a ghee

Brazilian jiu jitsu with a ghee is the most technical fucking thing like there is there will be a guy who weighs 160 pounds who could fucking pin you I have 260 pounds wrestling a dude

I think the guy Edwin he's like a world champ guy too he's down here in Gracie Barrazzan anyways he's really good guy I think he's 180 but this guy's like a fucking spider man Like with the gey on, wrestling these guys with geese on versus me with like not knowing how to use the ghee, it's like night and fucking day.

Like if I take the geoff, I can like, I can manhandle something a little bit with my strength. Like not for very long because I haven't trained in that right. But these people with the gear are like so technical where they're putting their hands and how they're moving you is like and me not knowing enough technique wise to how to defend it. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? And it's like, it's baffling. But because it's so difficult makes me like, wait, hold on. I need to figure this out because like I feel like I can beat you though. Like my ego is like I could meet you though

I should be able to do this But yeah man it's just fucking fun Like I genuinely love it And you know it's cool So in the gym You know that front area Where like the couches are When you walk we're gonna build matted area

I think I've seen you fight a couple people there No but but that was like That was like I don't know how to fight I turn my head said You literally have by Zan like you're like holding Well because he said listen He said he said I think I can get you I was like all right let's go

So 100% like I wasn't even trying I was defending and then like I was like Okay like let's do it That's cute. Yeah. I was like, but he weighs like, how much does Isaiah weigh?

1.48. Like, I'm too 60. It's silly. Yeah. Even if his technique was followed, if he weighs 140, if you just grab them,

you're done. It's, yeah. So it's like, that's why there's weight classes in this shit, obviously. But it's fucking fun,

man. But in that front area, we're going to get fully matted. That's fully mat. The whole thing so you can go in there and fuck around a stretch. Isn't the place like across,

like a cross from you? Like a, it's like a karate thing, but it's, it's like kid it's like kids and like class based stuff I would sledgehammer the wall in yeah I was thinking about it well he'll let us in there every once in a while but like not super often because he got to run class and shit

especially now because of COVID it's like everything's a problem because of COVID you know COVID is interesting that's a that's a conversation that's a whole another fucking podcast Jesus Christ but yeah any other anything else you want to ask no I feel like I feel like we covered a good them out in this podcast for sure you know yeah i gotta be too you gotta be so bad but i appreciate

you coming man i appreciate you being here for real um and like i said earlier man keep being like at least i see this in you being that like for for for fucking guys man and and keep using your voice obviously you got a great physique fucking tall dude amazing fucking structure like muscles looking look great right but you have a lot more to you than that and always remember to to give that because like all this shit at some point fades but like that shit in here is always needed is always necessary so keep that shit up man i love you appreciate that yes sir cool i got a piss i'm fucking out