RAWTALK - Bradley Martyn vs 350lb Brian Shaw

Episode Date: March 12, 2024

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something else man like you could have done something for me i it's funny because i knew you love i knew you're a big sneaker yes and this is what you roll in bro these off lights i was just like it i i love how you're dogging me on this is like the internet's big dog and you know what you you got that i want what is it the air more of tempos oh my god yeah right so i i i can't get them you yeah i cannot get them and that's the problem we talked about this before you're cut off you're what 15 14 15 like it depends on a shoe but like 13 14 yeah okay yeah but 14 you can pretty much get anything so any of the retro stuff they come out with yeah because no one buys them yeah we know i'm saying they make them they actually make them you know yeah and then but also

no buys them i had when i was younger i had a pair of the well the original era up tempos right those are the best and then the the the more up tempos the ones that say air on the side right I can't get them. Can't get them. So I bought a pair for my son. That's what I did. I feel like they couldn't they custom make them for you? But they would never.

I mean, no. You got to get like a night. But they made them up to an 18 when they originally came out. Damn. You got to get some OG ones, dude. I know. I can't find them.

I try. Maybe somebody out there can hook me up. You always been a big sneaker head? I love it. Yeah. Well, I was into basketball. Yeah.

Growing up that was that was that was it. So then that's that's kind of when Jordan's like really became Jordan's. right like it was like you know everybody because you it was east bay right you'd order them online or foot foot locker so there's people that would get money save money wait in line for the release you remember that well yeah it was like i was probably like towards the very end of that yeah um but it was a big deal right like getting the new east bay catalog was like that was like all right what are the new jordan's going to look like yeah everything's just online everything Yeah.

So. And then the prices started going up, of course. It was like, you know, creeping up $100, $120. Well, shoes are like, nice shoes now are like $300, $400. I know. It's nuts. Like I remember when the, uh, do you remember the, um, uh, Air Max, Chris Weber's? They were, they were, that was like the first shoes that were like $140.

This was when like the first air maxes. Yes. Some of the first. Yeah. So they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they. had um like on the back it was like a like a c w so chris weber would look like a basketball hoop on the back yeah okay and they're black and blue like royal blue they were those were i mean but i remember i wanted those so bad man 140 dollars and i was i was in uh eighth grade eighth grade right

so my parents were like nope not spending 140 so i had to put up my own money part of it i think they said they'd pay like 80 right and i then i had cash in the game because i had to pay the other part those are good parents i wore those i wore those for basketball and i put them right back in the box i had my locker like in the locker room and i put them right back in there bro i wore those things until they were they were shot but they meant something to me because i had skin in the game you know yeah good like i said good parents making you do it that way yeah um how tall were you at eighth grade let's see eighth group so right going just always huge yeah going going into like when i was a freshman i was uh six four two

30 I think somewhere in there like something like that and then I got I got it in high school I was almost 300 pounds almost 300 right like so that and that was six well almost my full full height six seven six eight as a sophomore almost almost 300 I always wonder like like at that age where kids just like what the like other kids had to be like what the is this yeah I was big man but I've been big my whole life so like even even in first grade like you look at like a first grade picture me the class is like standing there and I'm almost as tall as a teacher like that you know it's yeah it's your whole family like that yeah I've got hide on both sides you know so it was I've got big uncles on both sides so it just kind of it'd be interesting to look at like a family

history but it just seems like it kind of came together my mom's my mom's six foot um tall so like that was hide on that side my dad's side is big too so it's you know it just worked out but my brother my brother's like six three so you know for me it was just like i kind of got all all of it you know like built in sometimes it happens it worked out man i always wonder like you know they used to write like mythology or like stories like about giants and shit if they were just talking about people like you like you know what i'm just giant yeah like because most people were a lot shorter i think back then and then there's just someone who's just randomly biggest well you i mean you hear you hear about different giants like from from history like we did that uh

history channel show yeah with the four of us traveling around and you know it's like angus mccasco was you know seven whatever he was huge huge dude yeah like they have a statue of him it's like larger than life you know yeah but but you know and those are like the mythological giants that did all this crazy stuff and then did they actually do it or is it kind of like a fishing story where yeah it was like this he lifted this weight but it was actually this weight you know right it was crazy it was fun to it was fun to do that show because it's almost like a myth busters where you're you're you're deciphering information and say like is it actually true because it's there's no record of it it's not like you get back to be like hey let's see the video you just there is no video just written yeah it's

it's just stories and what was said but um i mean there's there's definitely you know big strong guys through history for sure you know i wonder who the strongest person ever was you think obviously you're one of them yeah it's a good it's a i mean it's a legitimate question i wonder there's just some random freak that just no one ever knew about that was just like but also like how could you measure that because what he's in a gym squatting you know totally he's like not well and there's and then there's functional strength like like i would say like farmer strength right like somebody that just worked hard physically yeah and they were just very strong but they could do things that other people couldn't do versus getting in the gym yeah right so there's and then how would that

translate like how strong is somebody you know like grip is a fascinating thing to me i love love yeah you have the craziest tools apparently you have like what what you have like a like a is it a dumbbell or a thing that like is one of one or something yeah there's so i have a uh and i've not lifted it yet it's a three 350 pound dumbbell 350 isn't the grip it's a two it's a two inch handle yeah and the dumbbell it's a big globe dumbbell massive globes you know yeah it was you have lifted it it's just i've not i think that'll be when i do lift it i think that that will be the the greatest feat of grip strength ever in the history history of like recorded history yeah yeah i mean that that dumb but like there's history of that dumbbell which is cool so a guy made it um it's

gym his it was for jim's gym so jim was the guy's name and he put it in his gym and if anybody could lift it they had a lifetime membership for free they train for free could he lift it no No, no. Okay. But here's the crazy part. As I said, it was 350 pounds. And you would assume that because it was just made randomly, that if you put it on a scale, it would be, you know, 347 or 352 or something, right?

It was on the dot, 350 pounds. I weighed at 350 dead. It was unbelievable. Like, how did you, how did somebody do that? How old is it? I mean, it's, it's probably, I'm, I don't. I don't know what year, maybe 60s or 70s that they made it. And then he had it there, but it was just one of these things.

And the guy passed away, Jim did. And then there was a guy that had gone to his gym that had it and he was trying to get rid of it, you know, and obviously who wants it. Well, I want it. Yeah, yeah, of course. You know, so I drove to, uh, drove to Kansas City to get it, um, pick it up and all that. But it's insane, man. I mean, I've lifted like, obviously like the Thomas Nch dumbbells more of a known

right right right of grip strings so 172 but a two and a half inch handle and then the millennium dumbbell is rare there's only five like five of those in the world and that's 231 pounds but a two and a half inch handle so but there's again now you're talking you could lift that one though yeah yeah but you're talking rare rare error of people that could actually what other weird sort of like things are there that like you've lifted or you've wanted to lift that you know is like rare because obviously the the strong man stuff is so cool because there's so much like different use of strength like different you know modalities where like you're lifting this thing carried in circles totally so what other things are there like that are there i mean there's there's

there's a bunch of different feats of grip strength that are historic right so you can lift old plates like the york deep dish plates so the thicker those are rare and more expensive now to get but if you can put two of those back to back pinch them and pick them up so it's a 90 pound pinch grip but it's four inches wide yeah two inch so it's it's just having the grip strength and there's only a lip on a plate like that so doing that i've done that but it's you know there there's just different stuff like i get creative with it right like it's just a different challenge of can you do it like how important is grip strength you think an overall strength massively i think it's massive i think that if you well it's your connection point it's your connection point to lifting something so everybody

obviously now you can use straps of course and that type of thing but in my mind if you can true true strength as you walk over you grab it you pick it up but you can hold on to it yeah you know and that's that's your connection so if your if your grip is weak then overall and and there i mean there's other studies with grip strength as people get older if you have a strong grip you're healthy right so how is that directly correlate i wonder it's interesting man but they have done it i mean there there are studies out there that that will test an older person like in there's 70s or 80s. I feel it has to do with the nervous system, for sure.

Yeah. Because the strength of your nervous system, like how hard you can grip or even like the tapping test of how quick you can tap. Sure. Like it's like a reaction. The health of your nervous system. Well, your brain, but it's just overall, it's fascinating. Like your grip as you get older, like if you test somebody's grip, I would, I would

all, I mean, again, I'm, I couldn't quote the study, so I don't want to say. But I know that there is correlation between a strong grip and being healthy when you're older, right? So if you tested a group of people that were saying in their 70s, probably the person has the strongest grip is the healthiest overall, you know? That's so crazy.

I mean, it's so, grip is fascinating, man. All the strong man stuff is fascinating to me, though, because you can go through history and find these different feats of grip strength. Yeah. But also feats of strength in general. Do you know who the guy who,

the guy who did a single arm deadlift, like with like 500 plus pounds with no strap? There's some guy, I see a picture of some guy. He's like, it might be 400. or 500 plus I think it's 500 yeah yeah and he has no strap on was it a hook grip I don't know it looked like he was just going like this grab it could have been a it could

have been a hook grip yeah but it's a single arm deadlift I think I've like have you ever tried a single arm deadlift I so I did it with like a farmer's handle right so it's I mean basically it's like a bar but you're lifting so the farmers walk implements we typically pick up two of them and carry them yeah so I remember loading one up because I was just curious and it's a little higher though right yeah yeah higher than a nine nine inch pole it's probably more like 12 um 12 or 13 inches and then you just grip it but with that the the handle's not revolving so with a barbell it would spin potentially so much so it's a single arm deadlift is very challenging because i can do a really and also the balance of it because it's so long yeah well that's just offsetting your body sort of i can do

a really good single arm deadlift but not without like a strap sure you know what i mean yeah well it's your connection point yeah right so like it is if you if you're strapped in it changes the game completely you with all lifts yeah i mean there's this is and this is an argument i mean i guess with with strongman like when i first got into it we some of the max deadlifting and stuff we did you weren't allowed to wear straps that was probably crushing people it was it's different because now you're going an over under grip to lift the bar yeah and um it's just different now and then the straps evolved and you know now it's got into these um like figure eight straps where you yeah where it loose which are super bad i mean they're horrible i hate them why well like horrible for you

or so there's two two things with those right one is what naturally happens is uh everybody tries to cheat a little bit right so that because it ties in and you don't actually have to hold the bar if you if you make that strap a little bit looser it hangs lower right so if you're deadlifted And instead of having a grip where the bar's right in your hand, now you can cheat it down. Yeah. So it's hanging. So you shorten your range of motion.

Yeah. And two, the other thing is they're super dangerous. Like on the wrist? No, because you can't let go of the bar. You can't bail. Oh, yeah.

I noticed that. Because I did it with, I used those once with Larry. We were doing a heavy delive session. Yeah. And when I put it down, I know it's like yank. I was like,

because I hadn't used it before. Yes. And like yank me down. I was like, whoa, what? Bro, I've seen, I've seen some nasty injuries.

nasty because you lose all you have to do with that bigger weight you lose your balance you pull too hard you step back a little bit and now all of a sudden you're tied to that bar you're going wherever the bar is going yeah right so i've i mean i've seen guys uh one guy within the sport actually like crushed his face so he came down crush his face tore his trice how to crush his face though because it pulled him and he went forward and now you can't let go so your face is going in the ground oh you're not yet because you can't put your hand down yeah hands are tied so that's that's another x factor but you know i just think it's overall what i would say is like a strap like that should it's taken away from the the the rawness and realness of a

deadlift yeah where it just that element of it if you have a normal strap that's fine right and you can you can you have to at least hold on you have to hold on with a normal strap even though it's looped in yes you can cross them different ways and make it you know so you're tied in some guys try to do that but at least it eliminates the the bar hanging lower. Yeah. So what is a what do you think the most important things for someone to be strong are? Because it gets this. I got to ask you this obviously strongest man in the world. Yeah. What are the grip sounds like one of them. Well grip for sure but uh I think you have you naturally have to look at discipline right. So so if you want to get stronger you have you

have to be disciplined right because strength is is something. So I sat up because you're so I was sorry where you've no I was leaning down. I was like yeah. I got her sit up, otherwise I'm going to be like tiny. Have you set this up so you have a better camera angle? No, no. Have you tried? No, no. To get a better camera angle?

I just saw you pull your sleeve up. Oh, no. I mean, I just kind of, you know. Did you, were you in size trying to get a pump before we? No,

I was on the phone. I swear to God. You swear? I swear. I swear. Because you kept me waiting out of a little minute. But I had to take a shit too. I'm not going to lie.

I had to take his shit. At least you're being honest. Yeah. Then Steve called me. He was talking about his house being like all these acres. He's like, you buy house in Florida. You know. Sorry, yeah.

But, but okay, let's get back on track. Yeah. To be. So discipline, but you can't, the beautiful thing with strength is you can't fake it. Right. Yeah. You cannot fake strength. And so you have to, you have to be disciplined.

You have to put in the hard work. That's, that's just a rule, right? Like you, and you want to get results in the gym. It's, if you, if you really look at it like, like your body really is your business car. you know or or your presentation so you walk in a room and you walk in a room compared to somebody else you're in shape well you didn't get in shape by accident it's not like you just fell into that right I'm like oh I'm in great shape oh I just woke up this way right nope yeah put in a lot of work for a lot of time so strength is the same thing it's it's not you're not going to be able to fake it

you can't you can't say well here I'm going to go out and deadlift this weight or press this weight or whatever without putting work into it yeah that doesn't matter it just just across the board man like you have and then you know obviously the work ethic has to go with it then the eating has to go with that the sleeping like you you you have to live it to be successful right i mean there's it's just what it is and there's there's sacrifices that have to be made uh for that to happen right and some people some people now it's it's the interesting part is that that um i feel like some younger guys don't quite understand on that right like they're they want everything now it's got to be now right like if i'm not benching three

plates it's got to be now if i'm not benching four plates it's got to be now i need it right now and it's it's it's this long game where if you're 20 you have to think about what are you going to be doing when you're 30 and then what are you going to be doing when you're 40 what do you want to be like right so it's this trajectory of just getting a little bit better a little bit better and doing it on a daily basis and that will lead to a positive change in the long run. I mean, it's like everything in life. Massively. Any sort of success, any sort of anything. All of this. Think of all of this stuff that you have, right? Everything that you've done hasn't come overnight. Right. Right. Even though certain people are going to say to you or say to me, hey, man, it must be nice. Must be nice. Yeah.

Well, bro, you weren't there. You weren't there at the beginning at any of it, right? Because I know that there was a beginning for you there was a beginning for me and it wasn't pretty no right but your discipline through those times has led you to where you're at just like it's led me to where i'm at yeah right and it's about the discipline totally yeah and i think it's also too about like what's really driving you because because obviously for everyone it's different and unique like the things that i think for the most part that drew drove me was like just kind of like pain and i think sometimes it's like learning how to transmute that into something like way better right and it's hard because I think most people when they're in sort of settings of like strife or pain it's it's easier to go like

oh well my life is this way and just it you know instead of like okay how could I make this better so obviously when it comes to strength and like any other sort of success in life it's just reality is like you know do you want something bad enough are you willing to put in the work every single day for it and I just think most people aren't because most people do they want that like we're talking they want that immediate satisfaction of it and our world now today is like everything's immediate satisfaction everything is like i see someone else has this why don't i have this that 19 year old kid has a success or this money i should have this sure the internet is is like making people weak and dumb yes it really is the it's the truth it's the truth the attention span again the

attention span is short yeah right so how appealing is it to say well okay you're your your 18 years older you're 20 years older 22 right and it's going to take you 15 10 15 20 years to get to that level yeah that commitment is real right but i think that i think that you know for for you for me i was committed to that i was okay with that like i bought into that i bought into the fact that if i got a little bit better each day it would lead to something yeah and that's that's that's the for me i think about it i'm like that's all i knew was like and that was kind of the only thing that made me happy was the gym was so it wasn't it was weird because like i can't say when i first started i was like oh i'm going to be really strong i would just remember being like this makes me feel

better about my life and so i just want to do this as much as i can and then it turned into strength because i just did it every day one and that's it's the same for me man it's like like like i said okay i'm 300 pounds in high school right yeah that was not working out yeah i was playing basketball but I wasn't I wasn't really happy I wasn't super confident how are you not confident yeah but look look all right it's funny I was yeah no I'm so I'm I'm big but you know I'm I wasn't a great 300 pounds let's just put it that way right like I wasn't I wasn't that way and so what for me happened is I had a goal of playing basketball in college right I wanted to get a scholarship get it all taken care of in order to do that i needed i needed to become more athletic i needed to get

stronger and he'd be able to jump higher run faster all these things to open that door well the weight room is there right and so i got to go in the wait room and now i'm putting in this hard work and i'm seeing the results so all these good things are starting to happen but but what naturally happened along with that was i became more confident i felt better yeah right all all of that so i mean for for you know younger kids out there, that's what got me hooked, right? That's for me, it was that change that got me hooked on that. Feeling better. Yeah. And then I was, I was different, man. I was different from that point where I was like, hey, you know what? I am in control of me. I can go in and put the hard work in. And then it naturally kind of progressed to trying to eat better, learn more about

that. And back then it was all the magazines you're looking through like, hey, what can I do with my diet? What can I do here? Yeah. And so the information that's being presented now on the internet is a lot more, right? And there's a lot more people that have a platform to talk. But the information needs to be deciphered a lot more now than ever as well. Yeah, because it's so much nonsense of people kind of just doing things for money. Yeah.

And they'll say something, they'll say or do something to get attention when they don't really have anything to back it up. Right. And I think that that's, that's what's fascinating. too is you've got a story, you've got a past, you've got stuff that you have done, right, to level up, to level up, right? And the same thing for me, but we're sitting here having a conversation. There's a lot of value in our conversation because of what we have both done. Yeah. Right. So it's, it's not like you haven't done anything or I haven't done anything and now we're trying to talk and then positively impact people. Right. And that's, that's, I think the,

You know, when things come full circle, I think that's what, you know, for me right now gives me the most meaning and joy and satisfaction is trying to help somebody else out, right? It's the person that that comes to me and say, hey, you know, I listen to you about, you know, discipline or, you know, overcoming adversity or whatever that might be. And I went and lost 100 pounds. And now my life is different and I'm different and I have improved. And that or somebody that's like, you know, I went in the gym and got stronger, right? and I do feel better.

Like I think, I think everybody should train. I'm sure you feel the same way. I'm actually shocked because I look, I think I, I don't know, I'm looking back on like, like sort of in the past,

at least as far as the West goes. And they did encourage more physical, there was like a more physical nature encouraged for people in general. And now it's just kind of like, all that. It seems like none of that is important. Well,

you had it in, when you were in school, right, growing up. Yeah, like P.E. But like, I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't so much, like, as, like, pushed for. I think it was, like, a little bit before my generation.

Got it. And then nowadays it's just like, yo, everything's like participation trophy and, you know, do your best, which I get. But that's, that's a whole weird sort of thing that's happening in the West where it's like, we're not pushing people to actually try to be physically better, which as we know, and you just stated, and I could, my whole life is an example of it made me a better person. Yeah. Not just, like, physically stronger. so it's weird because I always I always like wonder like is it sort of like sounds conspiracy theory is it sort of like not wanting that to be the case anymore so that there's like less strong people 100% you have to win and lose right so as a kid as a kid the participation trophy generation is garbage is garbage is horrible it's horrible because the the thing is is I was right at the end of that, right? So, so, you know, I would have field day, for example, in school, and we would get ribbons, but you had a first place, a second place, the third place, the fourth place, fifth place, right?

But you, the, you got rewarded for winning, right? So I got that. And then they came in and, and I even remember vividly, because I was so competitive, right? So I'd be playing like a game of basketball for the rec center or whatever. And then they started, we're not going to keep score, right? So I had my mom keeps score for me because I had to know if I was winning. But now, and anytime I work with kids, I talk to them about winning and losing because later in life, this is, it's going to come back to haunt you, right? And right now we're trying to protect these feelings of these kids and say, well, everybody gets a trophy and we don't keep score and just go out and do your best. That's not good enough, man. Well, it's also good enough. It's, no, it's terrible. And it's

also like it's it's degradating like the rest of what men and what people are doing because like you're just starting to think like well if I just show up it's okay then you have like people who are just okay with mediocre everything relationships business their life and it's like why not start at a young age like telling kids like yo you should try to be better like you should go for the number one spot it's not like because that kid has number one spot that you're just a shit person but it's like no why would you not want to try to be better why would we not want kids to want to win because like I say it goes to everything you want yes 100 this is a problem and it's creating a problem in society right like and I think we're starting to see that more and more where the effort level

is not there and again it's why I showed up right I should I should just get this it's it's it's tough it's across the board I think you know when I talk to business owners and things like that it's it's very very difficult to find people that are willing to work hard and want to level level up. Yeah. And it's starting to show up, man. Yeah. It really is. And it all comes back to kids being given that messaging. And it's coming from weak adults. Yeah. So weak adults, somebody that got into the system that maybe wasn't picked to first to play on the team and wasn't a winner. Yeah. Right. Oh, well, they got their. So they go, it's okay. Now we're going to protect. We're going to come in and protect the kids. Yeah. Right. The thing here's like to flip to flip it,

the messaging right i would say that any younger individuals out there listening to us what they need to look at is this is an opportunity it's an opportunity right now because if you are a winner and you are willing to do the work to separate yourself you will literally crush people yeah crush them because your competition is not going to be there they're not going to be willing to do that because they're all going to want the gratification now and they're not they're not going to be willing to sacrifice to do anything to improve themselves. Whereas if you are, the opportunity is huge. Yeah, I see Dan White talking about this. It's very realistic, man. I just, like I said, it permeates to every other aspect of your life. If you're just okay with the mediocre,

then you're going to just, that's going to, your relationships, everything. It's not, you, you should want to level up. That's normal, right? Like I'm, here's the thing is I have, and I've always told you this, like, I'm happy for your success, right? Like, if you, you get if you if you and this is real right the energy that you put out to the world is real 100% like you should you should want you should want to be happy for somebody's success right yeah not like yeah that's awesome bro look at that good for you i and and for me i think about it a little bit different where i know the hard work that it took whereas so many people out there now and in social media again gives them a platform make these comments but somebody will post something it's like

oh must be nice or look how lucky you are or whatever Like almost saying to the universe, I don't want that. Like don't give me that success, right? Like I hate this person because they're successful. Yeah. Right. But it's, you should flip it and look at it so different because people don't understand

what a negative mindset that is. And you're essentially telling the world, I don't want that, right? Don't give me that. Yeah. And that's what will happen versus like, hey, I'm happy for it,

genuinely happy, right? Like I'm genuinely happy for somebody being successful for them leveling up. You put out that positive energy and it'll come back, right? Like you help people out. Like, you know, I believe like with this, this, right, we're genuinely the goal is to help people. Yeah, without a doubt.

You don't do anything at this point in my life to not like. Yeah. But it'll come back. Like that's a thing is you put it out and, you know, it's really cool also as much as social media and all of, you know, YouTube and everything like that might be, you know, tough to navigate, there's still a great way for people to have a platform to positively impact people as well. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's just, I guess it goes back to the thing that sucks like

in a fitness space specifically because obviously I think they're, I think that a lot of these creators, uh, I mean people like ourselves as well, um, not that we're separate from them, but we have such a responsibility, I think that is to be in a space where other people who are not so versed in fitness are like looking into it. I think those, those creators have like a really great responsibility to like really try to put out authentic to get people kind of motivated in the right direction. And I think there's a lot of people who just kind of like they jump on some testosterone or some and they're like, yeah, this is look at me. And it's like it's not it's not based in anything like real and substantial. It's just

kind of like, oh, I did this because I thought that I can get more likes on a video because I looked better. Sure. And now I'm going to sell you some. Yeah. Like that's what's happening. And exactly. They're trying to prey on people that are susceptible to that. Yeah. Right. Like they're willing to buy into that. And, you know, I think that you what you need to do and for anybody watching somebody, look at what they have done, right? Their body of work. Yeah. You know, what is their body of work? And how much have they shared in a way, right? Like, because you shared your story and it's fascinating and your background. I've done the same thing. But, you know, I, and I I got on YouTube actually early, like real early. I tried to get more stuff out there and I could see the bigger picture. You know, and then I had to get the right pieces in place and, you know, people around me that could help, you know,

bring that to life, which we have done. But I never looked to other people as like, hey, I'm just going to be me. I'm not buying into anything. Right. What you see is what you get.

Right. And that's been the truth. Like I'm not, I'm not going to, like I'm going to, I'm going to be real with you. about what I'm putting out, the messaging that I'm putting out. And so people, you know, they'll see me where I'm not making a video out in public.

Like, man, you're literally the same dude that I watch on the videos. Yeah. And I'm like, that's me, man. That's what it is, right? I'm going to be real. But like, I'm not trying to be anybody else but me, right? Yeah. And so, you know, I'm going to try to give my best to everything that I do.

And that's what I've tried to do with everything that I've jumped into. And that's just what I know how to do, right? So it's, I think it's important to, to be yourself, right, and make a name for yourself. But there's also, for me, there's, there's accomplishments that I can fall back on as well. Yeah. Right. So I'm not, I'm not just making a video.

Like I've got a past, but I also have things that I've done that I've accomplished. And, yeah. But it's interesting because on the internet, like, obviously anyone can go look up what you've done in like your resume. But like most people who, if they just find out about you today, they don't do that sure people don't really do the research they just go oh this is what he said today this is what i know of him that's it like we talked earlier about how when people see you in your success or your strength or your feet and they go whatever they see today is like that's kind of all

that matters yeah so it's like even though if you've done something for the last 10 years that's the weird kind of caveat to this whole thing is that that's why like they're able to have so much success to people without substantial like accolades they're just like oh that guy looks good and then they're just praying on the oh i want to look good and he looks good without like how it even happened yeah so it's just it's an interesting time because like at the same time like everything you're saying is 100% correct it's just like there's this whole other level of like people are like we talk about the attention spans are just they're not maybe not willing to do the research or do the looking or do the actual critical thinking about the circumstances

sure and they just go they take everything for face value and that goes to everything in the world now like politics all it's just like he said it I believe it yeah and this this is a you hit That's a hitting the nail on the head, right? Yeah. And this is, this is the, I think the problem with society as a whole is, is critical thinking. Yeah. I keep talking about this.

I feel like in all my podcast, but it's like, I can't help but do it. Because whenever I ask questions and I go down these roads about anything, any topic, whether it's strength or bodybuilding or like life, like it's, it all comes down to like,

are you actually trying to figure some out like to really learn and be better? Or are you just trying to take some easy road to something that feels more comfortable? Because like success is not, out of comfort. Yeah. It's out of fucking hard work. Yes. And people are like, people are going like, he has it. I just want to, how do I get there fast? And it's like nothing ever great came from just getting there fast. Sure. And it also never stayed. Yeah. You know, but you know, and again, let's critical thinking is, is an interesting thing. And that ability in life is huge, especially right now right because there's so much information that is being put out yeah and i think

that you and i with especially i'm going to say the last you know at this point almost four years right like what's kind of come down what's been pushed on people the messaging that's been pushed on people and i you know look man like you stood up at a time where people were attacking you uh and they were they were attacking me too, right? Because I didn't, I didn't buy in any of it. Yeah. And I stood up against a lot of nonsense. And we're right. Yeah. We're both right. They're trying to go after your gym. They're trying to keep your gym closed, you know, because you weren't going along with it. And, you know, especially where you are here in California, it's magnified even more. Yeah. Right. And it's, it's crazy. But, you know, like I, like in 2020s, the first year, we did, did the Shaw Classic, right?

because all the contests were shut down, everything was, was banned or, you know, all this, right? And I'm like, you know what? I'm going to clear out my gym. I'm going to fly all these guys in. We're going to do this contest, right? And I don't care what anybody says. Yeah. Right.

And, you know, it has turned like that, for example, has turned into something much bigger. It's grown and grown and grown. But standing up for what you believe in, right? Because I had done my, I had done my own research. I looked at everything. And I didn't just buy into what the media was saying or whatever. And if anybody was was open enough to look into that, you could see it. It was all there.

Everything was there, right? And instead, it was this like you're going along with, you're going along with what you're told, right, versus standing on your own two feet and saying, well, this is my opinion and I can back it up because I've done my own research. Yeah. Right. And that was, you know, that's important. It's very, very important. And I think that especially men in general now have gotten too weak. Yeah.

Right? They have got, there's this weakness that's creeping through. Like, as a man, you should be capable of having your own opinion and be able to back that opinion up. And even if you're in a room of people that disagree, you don't need to go along with it. Right. And you should be strong enough to do that. But it's, is it easy? it's not easy but you should be willing to do it right yeah and and that's that's that's that's the

difference uh maker and i think i think in in society it's so easy to twist what somebody says whether that's a politician or anybody really right like you let's chop it up let's make it sound like this let's take that word out we'll make sure that that so it's all out of context but then it's like well here look at this this is what was said right but you didn't get the full story. So now your opinion, like you said, is based on this person looking good. Well, I didn't look at any of the past of him, right? Yeah. It's like, oh, okay, cool, you got your shirt off. You look good. I'm going to listen to what you say, even though you might not have it. Or this politician said this and I see this video, but that's really not the truth, but I want you to believe it. So now

here's what you're told. So unless you're willing to critically think, maybe do a little bit of research on your own, you'll just take what it is. You're just a sheet. And this is a problem. Interesting because whether or not you believe this, you know, we talk about the whole, the P. Demi, because I don't really like to say the full word, because I feel like sometimes you get censored. When you, if you take that whole situation and whether you're on this side or that side and you do the inverse, the most interesting thing about that whole situation besides like how, in my opinion it was, is that whatever side you're on, both sides should be very afraid with the fact that if you didn't agree with what someone else said and you. you didn't just take it for what it was, you were, you were a bad person. Totally. But almost both ways, right? Yeah.

So it's like the side that's like we're standing up and saying, no, this is like, you guys are bad. And then the other side saying like, you guys are stupid. Like you guys are bad. The problem with that whole circumstance, like government pushed is like, just imagine whatever side you're on, it's flipped. Because the reality is it could be at any point. At what point when they go, hey, this is the narrative now or this is the thing now.

If you're not willing to look at something to make your own decision on it and you're just doing what someone else says. That's insane. Because that could switch at any moment where this side now is, let's say, let's say this side has more power. It's like the right side because in that time it was the left side, whatever you want to call it. And then it's switched.

And now everyone's like, no, you guys are stupid. It's like, that's what I never understood was that whether or not you were buying into whatever it was and yes, people died and people got hurt or people lost their lives and people lost their livelihoods and so much stuff happened. The concept of like controlling it all and like you have to do this or you're going to lose your job or you're going to lose like you're you can't go to school or yeah the fact that that was able to be real should be very scary to everyone on all sides because it could flip yep and if you can't see that you're stupid yes and it's it's sad that people just go okay he said it

I'm afraid uh I got a grandma like I'm afraid of course I get those things yeah but if you can't go a little further then what happens when it flips and then you're on the other side of that and you're looking like a idiot to everyone even though you're not and then for your years that you realize wait this was it as crazy and it's just like imagine that in a different circumstance that's much more like what could be worse yes and then you're on the other side of it and you're just like what the fuck everyone's just buying into this like that's a scary concept all right guys look at work for the podcast i've talked about it plenty of times i'm going to talk it again better help okay if you guys have ever considered trying to do some talk therapy

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slash raw talk to get 10% off your first month today. Let's get back into this podcast. I, and I don't know how you feel, but I don't think people are truly that different, right? That's my point. I don't think they are. But the interesting part of it is,

and I've used this analogy, right? Like if you put ants in a jar, right? And let's just say you got black ants or red ants. Yeah. Right. They will coexist just fine in the jar until you shake the jar. do you know that no so then they fight each other then they'll fight yep but holy yeah it's true because because of the like the genetic makeup they think it's they think it's yeah they think it's

the red answer the back ends causing the problems but the jar whoever shaking the jar is the problem not them right so like if you look and think right take bigger picture the world yeah right all of us all of us could be fine and there doesn't there doesn't need to be all this division but it's almost like what has been created with social media is I'm comfortable or you know whoever's comfortable right I can hide behind my screen and say whatever I want to say and put it out there right and then you know now you can get into the the bots or whatever else it's pushing the narrative yeah and then you're cutting things up to be said a certain way and so now if you say something I'm going to hate you I'm not going to listen to you or have a conversation

with I'm going to hate you yeah because of what you said even though there's probably some merit or some common ground that we could find. And I think it's important to continue having conversations. But if you get out in the real world, right, like, I don't, I haven't seen any of this personally. And I've done a lot of different things, different situations where I've been, where there's people from all different backgrounds, man, all different walks of life, you know, all different colors, whatever, right?

It's, and there is common ground. People are good, like across the board. I still believe people are good, man. It's just that when you are fed this nonsense and you start to believe it, now it's like, well, I have to hate you. Why do you? No, no, no. You don't need to hate because you're told something.

You know, if you were to get in a real room and have a real conversation, I guarantee there's some type of common ground. Yeah, are you potentially going to disagree? That's okay. But it used to be okay to have a disagreement and still have respect. And what happened to that? This is the problem. internet well i think the internet i think it's the screen man because now i'm i'm comfortable

i'm comfortable let's just say i disagree with something i'm comfortable writing a nasty message to you or making a nasty comment and you i don't have any threat coming back from you either right like there's there's no like well i'm going to say this to your face because nobody has the courage to do that yeah right they just don't whereas it used to be at least for me when i was growing up if you had a disagreement with somebody you went you went and talked right yeah like we talked about it yeah okay maybe it came to us fighting right but then you would you would fight and it was done yeah it's just done you're done and that's it right and there's still respect and honestly sometimes you could you could have a disagreement with somebody

and they become your best friend like you you you work it out that way right and I'm not saying it needs to come to fighting or anything but talk once a talking stops now this hate and division comes in and I just I personally just don't believe that that people are that different or they're that not aligned. Like I think most people should look at it like we're Americans, right? Americans. And there's not this left or right or gay or straight or black or white or whatever, right? Like it's not that.

It's just we're collectively Americans. You know, because if somebody were to attack our country, they're not going to single out, well, okay, you're on the left, you're on the right. I'm only going after you. No, no, no, we're all in it together, man. Yeah. Like he's all got to stand. It's like united where we stand, divided, we fall, right?

Yeah. And that's, I think if more people would look at it like that, like there, there doesn't need to be all this hate because once you have the hate and division, now there's a problem. Yeah. Well, there's, there's multiple problems, I think, and it is because there's two things that I, that I like, I identify is like money and power, right? So money, for example, in relationship to, you. even these content creators now who like have spaces where they they're saying or whether

they're left or right and they're saying oh this is what we think oh this what we there's money being created from garnering this attention from this side or that side to say they're stupid staying open during the pandemic and i'm saying i'm right for saying open the pandemic and like i can generate income because people go oh yeah this guy's standing up for this i'm going to support him that other person who i would consider a tool for being a piece of and saying like you should close down jims would be also garnered some sort of money or financial benefit, whether it's AdSense or something that they're selling because they're saying they're touting whatever, whatever is wanting to be touted, right? Or vice versa,

wherever it goes. Yeah. And it's like, it's interesting because then these intentions aren't, they're not true in like what it really is sometimes. Like sometimes people do things because they're just looking for the financial benefit. And then it gets crazy because that same concept exists at the very top of like government and control and power and big businesses. It's like the thing that I never understood during this whole time was when people didn't didn't recognize it like these companies, the, you know, the vaccine companies are all for-profit businesses. It's not like they're non-profit business that are doing this just shit just because they care about people. They're making trillions of dollars. And you're not understanding that like,

I never got this when they were like, the vaccine is free. We're like, you got to take the vaccine, right? And it's like, no, it's a business that just made billions and billions and billions and of dollars. And our tax money that you've already paid to the government is now giving it to this for-profit business. Totally. And who knows what politicians have their hands in those pockets and it's like what the are people not recognizing that and i never understood that i never understood that and i never understood that you know we talk about shaking the ant jar and it's like that's what's happening and and people then just take it in their own account to just go parrot this and parrot that back and forth at each other well they're just

cashing the checks and being like ha ha and then but then you have the little smaller like the ants us making the content also cashing different checks parodying like i believe this and i believe that whether which one's right or wrong is kind of not the point in this conversation but that's where it gets all tricky. It's the internet in connection with money and ad sense and ads and then it's them doing the same a higher level worth a lot more money. And then I just don't understand how people don't see that. And then they go, they just go, this is it instead of being like, wait, what's what's really happening? Yeah. Well, and this is the, this is your ability to critically think. Right. But I don't understand how it is not hard.

to go. It's not. Hey, does that business make money doing this? Hey, is that stuff actually free? It's not like rocket science. No. So that's what I don't get is like are people just that stupid? It's it's disturbing because all of that what you just mentioned is disturbing. It's disturbing to me and I thought the same thing. Yeah. Right. It's I think I think it's like the, I think that movie is called like an ant's life or something like that, right? Where it's ants, but the grasshoppers tell the ants what to do. Oh, dude, I love that movie. Right. Yeah, I love that movie. But there's one ant that says, you know what, we don't need to collect all your food anymore. Go do it yourself, right? Yeah.

And they try to attack him. Then all the ants start standing together. And guess what? When is that going to happen? This is what I'm saying. When is that going to happen? Think of, like, if we're thinking of ourselves as ants, which is basically what, you know, if you take this and apply it to our world, right? Yeah. All the ants stand together. Guess what the grass is. hoppers don't have a say anymore at all I feel like the whole point is for that never to happen that's like not I'm not saying that's the point that's what should happen I feel like that's what is all you have to do is all you have to do is say no right and and like for me you know this is just one example right like like okay you're telling me to wear a mask well I'm not wearing a mask right

so I'm going to walk in and I had people say that because what happened I went to the grocery store I didn't put one on somebody going to come force me to put one on no yeah i did that too every every single time but what happened bro i'm in there yeah people are coming up to me and and taking pictures but what do they do when they take the pitcher take their mask off they don't want to be wearing the mask the majority the overwhelming majority of people did not right they were doing it just to comply but it's it's a massive signal as a population that if they can force us to do that when you don't want to do it and you just go along with it because you don't want to rock the boat, right?

People told me afterwards, you know what? I saw you in public not doing that, so then I stopped doing it too. Yeah. Right? So it just takes one person to stand up and start to do it, and then it's a trickle effect. Yeah.

Right. But if we would have said collectively, you know what? Everybody doesn't want to wear one? We're not wearing one anymore. What would they have done? Well, they instilled the fear. Yeah.

That's why people go, oh, okay. But again, where did that come from? and all this stuff is now unraveling now where it's like, well, oh, there's a six foot spacing thing. Where did that come from? Oh, we don't even know, right? Or you have to do this, you have to do that. Well, first of I think it was four feet, then it was sick.

It was just, they just making. Nobody can even say where it came from. There's no merit to that. There's nothing there, but it was all fear mongering for people, right? And look, when they put out, and a lot of the video stuff they put out was fake at the beginning. And it did scare people, right? Like, you know, you don't know.

I didn't know what the beginning. Nobody did. Yeah. But that's when critical thinking needs to come in a play and say like, okay, wait a minute. What is this? Right?

What is it actually? How do you think you get people to be better critical thinkers? Like what do you do? I think I think talking like we are right now and just saying to people that they need to have an open mind, right? Like you need to be able to stand for something or you will fall for anything. Right.

Yeah. Like if you can't. have your own your own thoughts and beliefs that's that's what i think that um maybe you know maybe it's the powers of me don't want that right so it's starting with the kids getting the participation trophies and now you have a weaker a weaker society especially weaker men yeah right and you need strong men to have a good society yeah i truly believe that right like like like men men need to be capable of being men right and standing up and standing on their own two feet and if i say no i'm not doing this then you need to back that up i'm willing to back it up but again you know this is

this is i think the bigger fear is if we are getting that week which i think we are yeah right how do we shift that so you have the the ability to think but also say i'm not going to do this right and that's how i felt that's how i truly felt is like i'm i'm i'm fighting like in my mind like I and I have two little boys right so I'm fighting for their right to be free when they're older right and I know that that's deep right because I'm like I'm not putting a mask on I'm not doing this I'm not going I'm not playing your little charade at all yeah but for me like I want I want my boys to have a good world to live in when they're older too right and if we give up our freedom because oh it's just putting on a mask right

to me that was a massive deal bro massive it's much bigger than people want to to say oh it's oh it's not that much of any convenience come do it yeah no bro i'm not covering my face up like i'm not doing that you're not telling me to do that it's my it's my right to breathe there the way i want to breathe there yeah right and if i want to look at somebody and smile i want to be able to do that right like i'm not you're i'm not playing your game because also there's no merit in the mask yeah right it doesn't do anything right but also I did a lot of research on that as well about masks and the effectiveness, even where masks started in the first place, right? Like I looked into all of that because I was like, well, if there's merit,

I would have gone along if it was like, oh, it's actually a massive business. Yes. Three and made a lot of money. Then, you know, people talk about the world. Like think of the pollution that just those masks caused. Yeah. Right. But everybody wants to say, well, the world is green and I want to protect the world and all this, right? Right. The same side that also said that, we should wear masks. It's like, well, we also got to Gretchen, whatever the fuck that girl's name is. Like, go, protect the world.

And it's like, all right, what the fuck are you doing? I think that's also the, the insane shit about the mask to me that really just was like just a blatant thing that was like, how are people not recognizing this? Most people put on a mask who believed in mask would wear that same mask day after day, take it off, put it on, take it off, put it on, collecting germs from everywhere. Gross. Yeah. And also the funniest part was that.

same concept I'm saying. Every single person, whether they believed in the thing or not, was like, yo, when I go to a restaurant and you know when you go to a restaurant, because some restaurants were okay at some point, you had to take it off to go pee. Like, or excuse me, you had to take it off when you're eating, but you had to walk to your table. I got to, you had to walk. That was, and they were still, they were all like, yeah, that is kind of stupid. I'm like, how do you not see then how the whole thing is stupid where it's like, no, you're, if I wear a mask and I'm in my car or whatever, right, or if I'm somewhere and I take it off and I throw it here, I do it.

I take it off because I'm like eating and I put it on the table. Like you're collecting germs everywhere. Everywhere. And you're just the whole point of, it's disgusting. The whole point of like the mass is obsolete. Yes. So what the fuck are you actually doing?

This is such a good point, man. Because I, it is mind blowing that people were okay with that. Like apparently it only hovers at five feet and above. So if you sit down a table, you're cool, take it off. Also,

it only spread in public jurisdictions because they didn't close down any federal jurisdictions, which would have been airports the entire time. And I was asking, I remember, that was my biggest question. I'd ask the guys because they would come try to shut me down every single day. Sure. And I would ask them, I'd say, well, how come the airports are still open? They go, well, we're public. We're in the public section.

We don't know about that's federal jurisdiction. So I'm like, so it doesn't spread in federal jurisdictions, what you're telling me. Yeah. Oh, no, we'll have to ask like a higher up. And I was like, okay, there's no answers here. You guys are insane. No. Like I'm not shutting this down.

No, don't. So it's just like you, but you still, again, man, you were willing to stand on your own two feet and i respected that i said i said that to you when i came out during all of it going on right like it's it's it's um you know that that says a lot about you in my mind and and and if you look back and it's not it's not this situation now where okay it's very easy after the fact to say oh guess what i was right yeah right and it's not that because then what does that do that creates more division so it's like well somebody that was so firmly planted in the ground that like I need to wear a mask and I need to get the vaccine and I got to

comply and like if you're not doing this you're killing grandmas and whatever right that person it's a difficult thing for that type of person to open their mind up and say you know what god I was wrong I was wrong yeah right and like in all fairness I'm sure that if if somehow not that it was going to happen and I'm not saying that but like if if for example you were keeping the gym open and for whatever reason I was like gosh this is really bad like I can objectively see that this is really causing a problem here not that it would have but right to flip to flip it on its head a little bit I'm sure you would have said you know what man I screwed up a hundred percent right and I would have said I would have said the same like yeah if because I looked into all of it bro

like a lot a lot because I do that like it was not whatever I was doing and saying was not based on just a you know like an emotional response it was like i had put a lot of thought into whatever i did and whatever i said right and how i did and what i wanted to do because it's just the way that i do things you know so i'm sure you did the same and it's just those people and and again it's not that like i would ever say i dislike or hate somebody that was was so firm in their beliefs on one side it's still willing to break down that barrier have a conversation with them and still be cool right like it's all right like but but again it comes back to this hate right like now i have to hate you and now i'm going to hate you because you kept your gym open

and you were ultimately right like it was oh you know no it 100% goes both ways and i think i think even now it's it's up to you know because if we're talking about politically on the spectrum right people on the right are now like ha ha you idiots we told you yeah it's also our duty to also if we're expecting them to have these sort of them left or whatever to have the conversations with us where they're more like kind of forgiving or like understanding of our perspective or point of view it's also up to us to now go to not reprimand and make these people feel like fully yeah but that was the thing that i i didn't like during it i was like everyone over here was like you're you're a piece you're killing grandmas and i'm like wait what the fuck are you talking about

yeah so it's it's because then now you go well it started here so then it's Everyone feels like we have to go back. So the mass is like, yeah, we got to say, you because you were saying, fuck us. But it's like, we're going to circles. And guess what? If motherfuckers are like, you fucking idiots, you're playing right.

We got you. Yeah. You're playing. Keep it up, idiots. Yeah. And this is where you have to just be, again, it's, it's, be willing to be open minded, but also be the bigger person where it's like, I, you know, I don't need to necessarily play, like, get down and play that game.

Yeah. Right. It's just like, hey, I. you know, I just wish people would open their minds, man, like a little bit more in the world and just, again, the difference isn't there. It's just not. I just, I wish that people could, could see that. And if you're in person talking to somebody, just get off of social media when you, especially if you're going down that rabbit hole and go have a conversation with somebody. Yeah. Like if you could do that and maybe even some, seek out somebody that maybe

is a different opinion than you and say like hey i'm curious about this can you talk to me about this right rather than just being so rooted in in that and then then that hate and division comes right the world the world will be a much better place that we could just talk and well they're playing on they're just playing on people's basic sort of emotional like ego responses which is like that's a whole different conversation of like how because now we're talking about like if we talk about that, the thing I just said is like, how do you get someone to look into themselves and look into their ego? Not that you shouldn't have an ego, but like look into what it is and like why you're doing these things, which is way deeper and way more complicated

and like a complete life sort of time that like you go through these different phases of where you are as a human and what you know and what you understand. Because that's the thing that like you can't just go, hey, snap out of it. It's like this is a life learn perspective that like people they're not just going to be able to go like, I'll let it go. Sure. So that's why it's so much more complicated where it's like now we're talking about it like a different spiritual existential like, hey, where are you out in your life and what are you willing to listen to and understand?

Yeah. And so it's like you can't you, it's like you can talk about this in circles all day. Yeah. But it's like at what point are people ready to really hear it and listen? Sure. I felt like did you ever watch the movie Indiana Jones and Temple of Doom? Of course. Right.

Incredible. So do you remember everybody was drinking whatever it was out of that skull, the blood, right? And then it's like you're in a trance. Yeah. Right. And you're just blindly following. You're blindly doing, right? All too often when all of this was going on, I was like, this is literally what we're living.

Right. People are just blindly in this thing and they're just almost brainwashed. Yeah. Right. And it's like you just want to walk around to people and say, wake up. Like wake up and see what is going on. Like take a step back just for a second, right? And I think that that's hopefully where we're getting is people are waking up.

I think so. They can see it. And they're like, you know what? It's almost like the powers that be called wolf, right? They called wolf with an invisible wolf that was very scary, made out to be very scary to people. Right. And they believed it, right? Because they didn't want to be on the side of not believing it.

Because if this invisible wolf was really what they were saying, it's very bad. Right. right and I think that I think that now it's the flu yes now it's the flu but also during the time the flu went away there was no flu right so it's interesting how that yeah it comes full circle but now it's like well where was the wolf did the wolf ever appear right I don't know man and that's that's why it's okay to say all right you maybe people got fooled they did right yeah I think we all did to some certain extent yeah and now take a step back and be like you know what cool right I just hope people learn from this.

Yes. Well, that's the important thing. That's important. It's just like making a mistake in another area of life. Yeah. Right. You make a mistake. Mistakes happen.

Right. And then it's, you learn from and improve from making mistakes. And I think that that could be, you know, a lot. I mean, I'm not saying I've never made mistakes, man. Yeah. You learn from them.

You get better. You don't do it again. Right. Like you can learn from these things and these experiences. And I think that people are really, but also I think that we could flip it in a positive way and hopefully get away from the division that has happened or they're still trying to have that happen

and say you know what cool man like I'm not going to buy into that I'm not going to be so absorbed I'm not going to have this hate in my heart toward other people right because ultimately it's only hurting you that's a fact like if you hate if you and you know I know that both of us have have had people that have done us wrong, you know, whatever, but you forgive, right? Like, even though it's tough, it's like you forgive them and move on. Because I don't want to wake up every day and say, well, I hate this person. Yeah. I have this hate in my heart and they're literally now kind of living rent free in my head. Yeah. Right? You don't want that. You don't want that because

now you're not moving forward and you're not getting better. Same thing with me, right? So it's okay to, you know, somebody did you wrong, you know, and in this instance, It's, you know, big pharma, big government, big whatever, did a lot of people wrong. And it's okay as a people to say, you know what? All right, cool. But now I'm, I'm, you're good. You go over there, right? We don't need it.

Yeah. And it's all right. Like, and I think that, you know, other aspects of life, it's okay to learn that lesson, right? And you can get better. And I think a lot of people feel that way or hurt by it. Yeah. And did get hurt by it in different ways. So, you know, you can just.

be better man yeah move on yeah speaking of moving on fighting fighting okay because i figured i figured we needed to go yeah because first question obviously is this is a very important question it's very important who wins in a street fight me are you here we go oh it's crazy you know because i think i could like i think i get a knee a knee i get it like like a flying knee no i think it could pop one of those knees out oh you'd get one of my knees so high up yeah they can go for a knee You do remember that we... Okay, hold on, hold on. I know what you're talking about.

Yes. That was, that was a very, very bad location when we did that. A bad location. It was a very bad location, though. Yes, but, you know, it was, there was a, if we were out on the street, we had more space, I had more scramble room. I mean, how much space did you need? I just need more scramble room. Did you?

Yeah, I needed more scramble room. But I had a hold of you. How are you going to get away from that? That's because we started, because I remember the clip because it went viral, which I hate it because my hair look terrible anyways I hated it but it's all good I okay so I remember that situation in real time obviously I was there yeah we started together okay you had like it was like yo it's film this and like we started together if it was a street fight but it happens I was like it was just a reaction from me no but we started together like meaning like it was like I thought

we were like Joe let's it was too close for you no no no no no not too close like we started already together you know I had no scramble room and then you pushed me up against a treadmill i don't know about that i feel like i just grabbed you it was just like it was just like bro you don't like straight in no i swear i swear we started together like we started like you don't remember that hands together no which i would have never started a street fight against you hands together that's the worst thing i can't remember how it's because because it was like it was you were challenging me and you're like i think i could take you whatever and then i was like all right cool let's go no it was basically like that that's basically what happened it wasn't

I will admit, because I always joke about it. If I get my hands on him, it's if you get your hands on me, it's a problem. Yeah. But I think it could pop a knee out, dude. So your tactic would be to start a little bit further back and come to tire you out a little bit. You know how people would look at me and be like, we'll tire this big dung me out? Yeah. I would tire, yeah, but then I'm like, he's like a really well-versed strong man.

He's good with endurance strength. I'd get a weapon. See, I was talking about a street fight. I'd get a weapon. I'd have to have a weapon against you. What type of weapon? I think some sort of club. A club?

Yeah. Okay. Do I get a club, too? No, no, no. Come on. Jesus Christ, you're like 400 pounds. All right. Yeah.

Yeah, I get a club. You get a club. I get a club. Okay. And I think I swing that most, I get one good swing and I could, you know? How big of a club? I don't know, dude. Like a 60 pound club.

60. Yeah, just. You think you can get that moving fast enough. Actually, no, no, no, you're right. You probably, what, 30, 30. Lighter. Yeah, yeah. You're right.

Because it's 60's not heavy, but. Here's the problem, though. when we did that i had not trained at all i i was barely i was i rolled my ankle the night before was it yeah i was hurt yeah but you weren't wearing those no i wasn't these are stupid shoes to fight it i was hurt i don't know why yeah i would never fight you in these shoes i yeah i don't know why those are on still but um anyway i love the shoe shade it's hilarious the audience is going to love that because they shaved me for these shoes every time every time and i kind of do it on purpose i don't go lie i was excited to see what shoes

and I'm like... I'll get some other shoes before we leave. I'll change it up. Make me feel better. Okay. Okay, but... But now I have more experience.

I know. I see that. Yeah. I see that. Which is like, honestly, I was super excited because I knew you were going to fight someone. Yeah. And I was like, dude,

I really want to see this fight. I know. Because you're just, what, six, eight, 400. How much you weigh right now? So right now I'm down. I actually, I mean, I was cutting down for the fight because it was supposed to be in February here.

Okay. So like I was, I mean, I was, train like five sometimes five six days a week like going for it so i mean that was hard hard a whole different world for me conditioning wise so it's it's unbelievable like and then also with that it was it was very different because lifting for me was always number one with strong man right that was top of the list that's my that's my training basically was lifting so for for fighting it had to go down

the list right so i was like not doing a heck of a lot in the weight room it was all fight training yeah all of it right building skills striking and grappling and you know all of all of the different basics yeah of five basics yeah so i had to put that at the top of the list which was an interesting mental spot for me to get to right because i i love lifting you know so it's very difficult to be like hey you know what like that needs to be way on back on the burner like the back burner i can't i can't I can't do that the way that I want to. So mentally it was this shift as well. But building the skills, man, I tell you what, there is a lot to it, a lot, lot to it.

And, you know, it's like a deal where you peel back one layer. There's another layer. You pull back another layer. There's another layer. But, I mean, I had the cool part for me is I got to walk in. I had great coaches. You know, Cody Donovan, Vinny Lopez. I got to work with Lauren Landau for the Strength and Conditioning side.

So the team, the team I had was, was amazing, right? Yeah, what happened to the fight? I don't get it. So the fight, the fight was meant to be February 17th. And the way we had the contract structured is I wanted, I wanted paid up front, a good part of it. So that I knew I wasn't going to be going to the fight and then not getting paid after. Yeah, yeah. Right.

So that was, weird, you know, TikTok fighters. Yes. And I was like, I'm not playing that game. So basically the way it got set up, it did end up, protecting me because the contract, you know, the promoters missed the, miss a date. And that was it. I was like, hey, where are we at? Yeah. You know, it started coming with, well, it's coming and this excuse. And eventually, eventually the rubber has to meet the road and it didn't. Yeah. And so you were going to fight who? It was Martin Ford was. And how big is he? He's an actor. He's like 6, 7 and

I would have had him by probably about 100 pounds. Like, how much you weigh right now? So right now, I'm like, I'm like 385 which is the lightest I've been in a long long time yeah but I was this was going to be about my fighting weight and I think he was a little bit under 300 yeah and I don't know exactly because I know he was working on his conditioning as well and that type of thing but you know I think he was probably going more for that like endurance side of it probably are you out striking and you know my my game was going to be more control the outside six get him to the wall crash take down yeah and then If I could take him down, then it was going to be game over in my mind. But I needed to get there.

And I think for him, that's probably not where he wanted to get. 100%. So, okay, obviously this whole fighting thing went viral with me. Realistically, I'll name some fighters. Could you beat them in a street fight? I think you could probably beat out a lot of these guys. Yeah. But like, I love this question because obviously everyone goes, well, he's not as trained.

He's not as well versed. Sure. I think there is literally a level of, because what people don't recognize with you, and even with me is the athleticism is not just like, I'm not a, I'm not just a dumb bodybuilder. No, no, no, no. Yeah. And you're definitely not just a big dude. Sure.

Right. Like the strongman stuff, the endurance strength, the, the, the, even the mobility stuff, the stuff that you have to do in that sport. And you've done at the highest level. It's not as simple to say, well, he's just a big guy. He's untrained. I really do believe there is a level of like, and I think you're at that level of so much mass so much strength and just a little bit of knowledge can go a crazy long way in like a like a

street fight yeah so you versus connor mcgregor who wins street fight well see this this again is an is an interesting one oh just say it dude i think you crush him yes i think so yeah yeah well it's it's just too i mean here's the thing you're humble i love it he would get a few shots and no doubt because he's so quick yeah right it would be me getting a hold of him i would need to get a hold of him yeah and and if i could again it would be the same kind of game would be like i would need to take him down have to yeah right and then that then i would just use my body weight advantage and and have a little bit of technique and that i mean what is he gonna do i've got i mean what would i have on him like you know 200 plus pounds man yeah it's insane like it's crazy so it that that is

what that's what i think especially you know if i was in an aggressive situation with him but again you're saying like in a in a street fight if that's what you're using yeah i would bet on me i would yeah uh Tyson fury he's bigger he's he's bigger a lot bigger he's a lot bigger now and again in boxing no no no no yeah no i'm not that's not yeah that's not that's ridiculous like you're not that's a crazy uh conversation to have because yeah yeah you know the level he is you know again I think it would be getting what I would have to do is get past the punches yeah I'd have to right so it'd be more of a sumo type of like let's just go yeah right where I'm not trying to give him space because I don't want to be in that where yeah you don't want to be in that range that's the

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Francis Inganu. That's got to be the whole. hardest one that's for sure yeah because he's skilled in a whole different way yeah right and what is his his his body weight is he's a I think he's like I feel like he's like 2 30 2 30 so that's body weight can someone google his body weight I want to be certain about this yeah Google that yeah yeah go go that real quick I think he's around there I'm not he's a bigger dude I've met yeah he's a big guy and an athlete man and a fucking he's an MMA fighter yes so he's skilled in in everything there yeah any on

knocked out fury dude yes that was insane i don't see this this is a thing and in and 257 excuse me bigger yeah a little bit bigger almost 260 almost 260 so i probably take it he's 255 it's like light easy yeah yeah that that one that one i don't know man i uh you know again it's uh you know i'm here's a deal with me man i'm competitive you know that so it's like i if i really needed to do it that's where mine's at my mind's yeah if i if i like if if if here's a deal if i if i have to fight him and my life was on the line like I'm going hard right like yeah I feel like you have to have that mentality yeah you couldn't be where you're at in your life you didn't no and and like again it's not with any of these guys you're naming 100% all respect to because the thing

that I did gain with getting into the fighting is the respect of bro the training that it takes to be where they are insane is ridiculous yeah right and it's not easy at all right so the skills that they have developed have come from years and years of hard training. And so for me, you know, where I was basically, I put hard six months, give or take into it. My skill level had progressed a lot, but there is like, I'm still a very, very novice level. So, you know, the nice part with me going into the fighting was I didn't have bad habits to break. And I had great coaches, right? Yeah. So it was like, you know, my striking was probably the hardest thing for me to excel at and I was putting I was putting a lot of work into that but more the the ground game

that was coming on better right but it was a system that they had built that I just learned and they taught me it well right so like I had a system and at least one or two options in every scenario and that's that's what I needed really like the basics and if I got here here's what I do right here's my exit here's where I need to go here's where I'm trying to get that That was, so that was the system. And I was excited about it, man. I mean, I was really excited about it. I want to see. I hope it still happens. Like something else. Yeah. I, you know, I was, I was, it was hard for me to commit to it. But, you know, with what, what they had on the line, the amount of money they were talking about. It's like, all right, I can, I can buy into this and go hard. And, you know, for me, I was going to go in head first. Now, it didn't work out. But again, in any situation, right? Like, I could be very bitter about this. Right. Because it was, you know, with all of the stuff I have going on, it was a big, big commitment to take away from everything else I had going on to put into this. But I'm still grateful for it, right? Because I got to meet all these great people. Yeah. I mean, I got to, I got to train with Gordon Ryan. I got to train with Frank. He's a legend, man. Right? Like, these guys were cool, man. And I got to actually train with them for this along with all the guys on the team there. You know, Curtis Blades I got to spar with, which was fun. yeah like it was great bro like and so i'm thankful for that but i also feel like i was able to gain some some skills that if i ever did need to put them into practice i could yeah you know so i feel

i feel good about that right because you know again i've i've been a big strong athletic guy but now i actually have some basic skills in in fighting yeah right if i ever need it now do i need it maybe maybe not right i don't know if they they're gonna just shoot you you know it's like you're not gonna fight you dude this is the problem right yeah now so it you know but i i tell you what bro i learned a lot it was i i have a um a different level of respect for 100% for fighters and and not that i wasn't wasn't a fan of it before or didn't respect what they were doing as as high level athletes but i tell you what once you get your feet wet with it a little bit and and it was it was a grind it was a grind of training and you know i mean just the daily in and out

of of what i had to go through to try to get ready for that was was tough but you know i think it was a good for me it was a good way to bridge uh the gap of getting out a strong man too right so like my last contest was in august right of last year and um that's a contest that we promote and officially give away the title of the strongest man on earth which is really cool um and it's something that We built from that 2020, you know, deal, right? Like started in the garage, my garage, my home gym. And we built it up. Now it's in an arena.

We've got an expo. We've got all this cool stuff going on. And, you know, it's neat to finish there, right? And I was able to finish on top, which is even better. Yeah. And then walk out. And then I didn't have this time where I'm like, man, I'm done. Because I called my shot.

I called my shot with being done. Yeah. And I wanted to be done with Strongman when I was still. at a very high level you never come back no okay no no for in and this is people have asked me that too like oh would you do masters would you do this no man i'm not interested in that yeah i'm interested only in being the best right yeah i get and i i could you know i could keep going back to the top level contests and and still compete for sure because i'm not beat up i don't have problems with my body whatever right yeah like i could do it but i was when i started competing i wanted

to walk out when i could walk out on my own versus going too long. You know, we see this in every sport where a hundred percent guys hang on and it's like, oh, you're not what you used to be. Yeah. But he's still there and he's like a legend, but he's, you know, he's still there.

But man, he's not quite, he doesn't. I like that happens with a lot of fighters. It's, well, it's tough. And even for me, man, it's hard. Like it's, it's, you know, there's a lot of emotion tied into it because, I mean, I competed almost 20 years. What's your identity? Right?

Like, that's, that's what I did. and the sport that I love walking out when you can still do it there's something to be said for that versus like going too long and I'm thankful I got to have the career that I did within the sport and you know walk out not

not where I'm beat up or banged up or hurt or whatever like and so it's cool but that gap being bridged by the fighting I'm thankful for that too right because I got to learn and be stimulated mentally where I got to be a beginner I was a beginner. 100%.

I walked in. I was a novice. What was it like doing jujitsu with Gordon? Crazy. He's like it's because I've done a bunch of jujitsu stuff and it doesn't matter like really. The weight does matter to a degree if you can like know some basic stuff. But it's interesting how these people are so much more like well versed in the technique and like knowing where to go and like how many steps that that they need to get to the end result. Yep.

someone like that um being like the best ever at this like it must be pretty humbling because i'm assuming you probably did real sort of like sparring with him yeah so he he had a couple uh couple other guys yeah so he was more i mean he did put me in a in a few different um positions and this type of thing so i could kind of feel where he was going but it was mainly he had two guys so he could kind of take the coaching role because it was more it was more like legit like hey man I'm getting ready to fight. I want to learn. Yeah. So we had a couple guys that were 300, like one, I think one guy was like 320 and the other one was maybe 310. Like they were bigger guys. Black boats? They were both good. Very good. Yeah. Okay. And so it was more of a, hey, I'm going to put you

in this position. And I'm going to say go and you win if you do this. You win if you do this. I see. So it's actually like more of a kind of legitimate training session where I was learning. I see what you're saying. But both of them were, we're very skilled and strong. So it was, you know, and I'm conditioning-wise, I'm trying to build that, but it's like, all right, you're in, now you're in. It's crazy how it's like just, it's, knowing the skills and the technique is like, it becomes like a, like a different, because like, you know weightlifting when you lift a weight and you like feel that like groove and you're like, oh, this is exactly right where I need to be. Yep. The jiu-jitsu is like the same thing, but it's like with body movement and angles and like catching like sort of like the movement and then like using the, like their movement against them. Big time.

Which is the craziest you don't know enough. It's like, because I remember when I first did it, I was just like, you, you use all this energy and strength and you're gassed. Gassed. Breathing for me was hard. Yeah. Like I, that's one thing that I had to actively work on was instead of just being like, the whole time, like, you know, you're wrestling around. Yeah. It's like, when can you take that breath and just be like, yeah, you know, and if you can just do that one time, everything, everything would get better.

but even you know even for what I was getting ready for you know certain times we went five minutes in training which is a lot and we were only supposed to have two minute rounds but it's like a sprint for two minutes yeah right and people are oh two minutes that's nothing well when you're wrestling and you're you're actively like grabbing especially somebody that's strong two minutes is is hard yeah like it's not the level of conditioning that you have to be at for that is is much higher so breathing is essentially you go the whole round and don't breathe you might not come back out of the corner yeah right like that's so it's it's no it's cool man i'm like you said it's it's an experience and and um i think a lot of people were excited for it uh you know supposed to be an eliminator the way they had set it up so it's like me versus martin you win that when you move on who else would you fight after that so i feel like there's got to be some saudi money that they would pay to watch this happen well this is it was supposed to be in katar so that was yeah okay yep And that's what, that's what on the outside made me think that it was more legitimate because they do have that kind of money.

Yeah. And I was like, hey, it makes sense, right? Like, it could be real. And then you have a contract, which makes it more real. Like the way that they, I think people on the outside might look at it and say, okay, you were promised all this money. Like, why was there no red flags? But it's like when you're, when you're being offered something, then you get a contract you

sign. Then we notarize the contract. Like it was like, everything. up until they missed the payment date was good. Yeah. Like it, there was, you know, I guess, I guess is it too good to be true? Maybe in hindsight it was. But when you're being told that and you're in the moment, it's real.

Yeah. Right. Like, and I don't, I don't really have a reason until they have broken that and broke the trust. Yeah, I didn't have a reason to not believe it was happening. Who else would you have fought after that if you've won that fight? So is Eddie Hall and Mitch Hooper were the guy's name. So, so Eddie, you know, and he's, he obviously did the boxing and like all this other stuff like, uh, so that would have been interesting. Yeah, dude, I would have loved to watch these fights. Yeah. And this is the thing is it created like even though it wasn't being promoted super well on their behalf, just us sharing a little bit about it. It was catching a lot of attention. Like I was saying when you first walked in because we kind of briefly spoke about it. It just reminded me of like the old UFC days when it was like crazy not necessarily. I mean, it was mismatches, but yeah, just kind of obscene absurd. yeah like to see you fight another giant dude is like dude i really i want to see that yes like someone's

got to make this happen it would have been fun and honestly it would have been and i was like you know so would still do it if you got like a proper offer it would it would need to be real yeah yeah especially with what it took from me you know like like like like i said it was it was so hard because i mean i've got so much business going on and i basically had to put all of that on hold because i see you know you're it's a full commitment right like like it's not like I don't I just don't do things halfway I can't I get I just can't so it's like for me I'd I said it to the coaches that I had I'm not going in here to just show up right like I'm going in here to be the best that I can possibly be and that's that was what they were like all right cool if we're doing

it we're not doing it as some like oh look at this fight happening and it's the spectacle and whatever like we're coaching you to win you know like and they expected that and that's what I expected of myself so it's it's you know yeah is that a lot of pressure to put the first time sure it is right but that's just all i know yeah you know so it was it was you know i'm thankful for them i'm thankful for the the team of guys uh you know i got to train with some other guys on the team um and then uh derrick wolf who you know won a super bowl with the broncos like he came in and he had a wrestling background and striking he's another big dude yeah you know 300 plus pounds and athletic and so good with the hand fighting and so it was I was ready now I honestly I

legitimately can say that I had put it in and I was ready to go yeah you know so I want to see that wasn't like the stuff that we did share like there was a lot more than that a lot more than that I was working on right like I I bought I you know like I said I went in head first like I wasn't it wasn't I just don't know how to be like oh yeah I'm just going to go in there like if we're going to fight if somebody's legitimately going to fight I wanted to be able to protect myself but also know how to be aggressive and where to be aggressive and how to attack you know when to attack like I wanted I wanted to be able to go in and give it my best yeah I get it like and it wasn't like you know some of the other guys maybe they they were like oh I'll just go in and get punched and

get paid and whatever I don't really care but I just like my head doesn't work that way no it's like if I'm going to do it I'm going to do it the best that I possibly can and that's just that's everything i try to do you know yeah so makes sense now one more one more fighter uh devon heaney tree fire come on that one's too easy he's 150 well this is the problem it's it's the size is the problem yeah this it's it's it is it is and then like again i you know and this is before anything like uh dust and pourier and i did some stuff we're doing just fun like starting in a couple positions right and and one i had to get up which i was able to get up and then he jumped on my back and you know got me in a like a choke yeah but if i was really trying to

be mean i would have just fall jumped up and fallen backwards that's what i said and then they go then they go oh he would have jumped out of the way i that's what i'm saying i was not i obviously not wanting to hurt him at all yeah of course you know but it was you know it's one of those things i didn't know what i was doing at all but i'm just laying on top of him crushing him the other way right right it just completely i mean at a certain point there's skill versus just complete yeah right you are you are it's i mean to get someone of your size off of someone of a smaller size that you can't necessarily press that off horrible is it's just impossible that's what that's what i was saying like the ground the the especially on the wall right if you're on the wall and

and i could take you down on the wall and get where i wanted to go it it's almost game over really like especially if i have that much of a a size and weight advantage because you know all all i would really have to do is is uh you know get into a position um i don't know if you're familiar with like a dach standing handcuff um which is you know i would then just get complete risk control and it's it's just like me on top just raining yeah it's it's there's no Nothing, there's nothing that could be done. Yeah. Like it's just, it's, and, and then trying to get it.

For me, it's probably pretty simple. Oh, what, you think so? I'd be like, you're still maintaining that. Get his hand off me. Is it okay. Yeah, we'll just go like this. Yeah, I don't have a strong grip at all. Yeah, no.

Oh, yeah, like the strongest grip in the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, God, I love it. Yeah. I listen, I have to be delusional. I don't get what I'm still believing it. You do? I'm still believing it.

I don't care. I mean, hey, bro, I respect it. Yeah, yeah. I'm not I mean it's you know I mean I know I know what I'm capable I would go like this yeah off me is that just like that just like this like why didn't you do that in the in the gym like situation if you were gonna if you were gonna do that well dude there was a the treadmill I don't want to hurt the treadmill I know but the problem is is you were off the ground you know but so that was like you can't really do that when you don't have your feet on the ground honestly if

that whole thing played out because we cut the video like we didn't we didn't we didn't let it play out Oh, we didn't. Yeah, yeah. There's an ending to it that. Yeah. Do you want to tell people what the ending was? Well, I don't want to give away the, you know, the conclusion. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't want to embarrass you that way. It's like, you know, it's like, we're on a podcast. I mean, after you took flight off the ground. I flew. Flew. I took like a jet packed up. And then you did that. Came back down, like, like dive bombed you.

Yeah. And then you try to get on me again. I was like, like that. Exactly. Like that. Super easy. I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't really. recall that part happened okay because it happened fast it did happen fast you were like you were like holy

and then we're like okay you should get out of here and there's a you got to do some strong man stuff and then it just and i was hungry so you had to eat okay yeah very good very good yeah that's the story i'm sticking to it oh no but dude i i want to see you fight so bad but i so it sounds like it wouldn't unless it was like a guarantee it would have to be but it seems like the more people i've talked to in the fight world that doesn't it's it's uh unfortunately has happened before and it's just this world where a lot talking is easy right it well in anything yeah talking is easy easy and i've been told some things that were you know pretty outlandish before this is certainly now one of them yeah um and you know like i said it's the only the only way to take it for me and that's what i said is

just to be grateful and say like i had the experience that you know was there right yeah yeah But, you know, I'm not, I'm not going to say or be super heartbroken about it because I've got so much other good stuff going on, you know, and that's just the truth. So what else, what else do you think is next for you, which is like the lamest question ever, but like, where do you go from? Because there's no more strong, man. Yeah. So it's, for me, the outlet is business, right?

Business. So we've got evolution athletics, undefined nutrition, and then Shaw Strength, which is kind of everything like, you know, Shaw Strength, merchandise, all that. got it um and then we're working on the shaw classic um which is like the whole weekend that we do in august where we have the strongest man on earth contest and that has now turned into a monster thing like we're having to work on that year round now yeah which i'm hoping you will come i'd love to yeah i'd love to absolutely that's like uh the weekend of the 17th and 18th in august so we bring bring in the top 16 in the world um eight events two days it's is is it where is it in

Colorado. Okay. Lovell in Colorado. Yeah. It's now called the blue arena, but it's, man, it's awesome. It's just that. I'm glad I like that you're doing that because obviously it's like so close to you. Yeah. Like your heart, you know. Oh, it's, well, that's a whole different path. Well, it started as a, a passion project, right? Because I've competed in a sport so long. And how many years to have you competing in strong, man? So I was, uh, well, I started, I started in 2005 was the first year. And then I finished, I mean, that wasn't like when I was an amateur coming in. And. And, and I was, like, like, when I was an amateur coming in. And. And. And, and then I finish in 2003. So it was terrible at math. Unless it's adding 45. Yeah, it's almost 18, whatever that is. Like, yeah. So it's gone by too quick, man. But like the thing within the sport is there's no,

there's no athlete union, right, within Strongman, not. It's just promoters. They put on the contest and the athletes show up. And basically, you know, by and large, the thing that has bothered me the most is the promoters, typically speaking, take the lion's share of it. everything and the athletes have competed for not very much right yeah like you're not set up well and and you know the the the sport has grown a lot since i started and i'm not saying the guys don't

get paid more and that type of thing but i wanted to put on a contest that was run by the athletes for the athletes right so the the focus is on them because i know better than anybody if you don't have the athletes performing nobody sits in the seats and nobody watches yeah right without them it doesn't exist it does not exist right so like i'm more of an advocate for the athletes and that's the truth right and i have been that even even as much as it's it's caused me problems uh with with different contests yeah we talked about it you know it's um it's just something i believe in man like i believe in the guys and and uh the sport and the growth and um it's it is near and dear to my heart so it's one of those things where i i invest a lot back into the contest i put a lot back

into the prize money, but I mean, last year was our fourth year, right? And we gave away the second highest prize money ever in the sport, you know, which is above, you know, only, only the rogue invitation will give us away more money in the sport of strong man than we do, right? So we're above, we're above world strongest man. We're above the Arnold. And in four years. Yeah, it says a lot. That says a lot. Yeah. But it's important to me, right? And like, I want to give it back. So the last, like, in my mind with this contest with the because i'm sorry i have to interrupt how long has strong men been like a thing that has been financially driven like how has it been a business i would say like like world strongest man started in 77 holy right so they're you know whatever whatever that is now

40 um yeah you know 45 46 years something like that so it's uh so that's that says a lot is what i'm saying to give away more money in the last four years and 45 years of It's the same sport, basically. Look, man. And I'm not, obviously, I don't know enough about details. I'm not trying to throw shade, but it is, that's a reality. Yeah. So what's important.

And the thing is, I'm, I'm open to talking about it because, you know, at the end of the day, look, like, I'm, we're a fairly small in the bigger scheme of things. Like, I don't have a massive, you know, corporation or whatever behind me that's got this massive bank roll of like, we'll just throw in whatever money we want. Like, it's, it's the, the contest has to run. It has to run not negative, right? And I wanna put money back in, right? So that's what I wanna do, but I'm willing to invest in the events. And, you know, for us, the athletes are number one

and the fans are massively important, right? So like I want everybody to come. I want them to have a great time. Like we have an expo that's free that like we have speakers and like all this cool stuff going on like there. Yeah, I'm gonna come do that. I wanna come do that. It'll be awesome, man.

And like it's, it's just, that I think it's it's just you know people that come have a great time and they see they see what's going on right with it and like the the other thing is the athletes understand it and feel appreciated like so from the moment they land bro all their flights taken care of pick them up the airport treated the best they possibly could we've got everything organized you know for them because I was an athlete and I know yeah I get I know what I want right like I know what they need as well. So it's just doing that, it means a lot to me. It really, really does. So it's like that growth. And, you know, my goal is to bump the prize money even more, right? Like, that's what I

want to do. And I think that it's there. I think we're just scratching the surface of what's possible with it. And we're getting there. We're getting there. Right. But it's just that love and passion and, you know, dedication to it is is really, really cool. So, you know, it's people that come out man i i'll tell you what it's a spectacle bro it's it's no i i i love watching strong man stuff i've always loved it yeah you know we have fun with it and you know it's not not to say that that you know again we're the necessarily only contest it's just you know my my goal with anything and i'm sure you would say the same is to be the best that i can possibly be with it right so if i'm gonna get in and i'm gonna try to do it great you know yeah and that's what we've truly tried to done and it you know

it's our small team my wife and i and the people that are with us like have put a lot into it to try to provide value uh you know to people coming and and the support is the support has been so cool do you think that do you think that this this uh promotion or event could be the next thing that is like the i guess sort of actual strong man events all of them is that like your goal is to be that place so what right now it is to be the best the best event right one-off, right? Because within the, this is an interesting conversation, because within the Strongman calendar, you can only have so many events, right, where the top guys especially get to come and they can, they can train hard for it and come in and compete. It's not something like

basketball where you could play a game all the time and then just recover and be fine, right? Like to actually perform and lift the big weights, like you need to, you need to train for it and be ready for it. And then there has to be a certain period of recovery because otherwise you would just beat yourself up and beat yourself up. I see. The calendar can't get too full. You know, there are other contests that are trying to do that. But, you know, my argument is it's like there should be other events in the year, right? Like that's all right. You know, the guys have the opportunities and it's great for them. But like in my mind, instead of, you know, because we've had people contact us about going different parts of the world and put on other events and whatever.

And it's like, you know, I think one of the things that makes our special is, is I'm so hands on, right? And I want that. I don't want to hand it off to somebody else and be like, hey, you do it. Like you run it, right? Because there's, there's, it's just too hard. Like, because if you think strong men events, they're difficult. They're really difficult to get right. They're very difficult. Because you have to have it, you have to have a level of knowledge and understanding of what the event is, right? How is it going to be executed? What is the right weight? to use for it as well. What do they need?

Because when you're talking the top, top guys in the world, to separate out the top guys in the world, you can't have everybody destroy it. So you can't make it too light and too easy. I see what you're saying. Because now it's just a stopwatch click or something, right? It's like, oh, well, you won by two tenths of a second. Were you really stronger or not?

Yeah, I see. And I know you had ran into, you had ran into like issues when you were competing that, like, I guess maybe it seemed like certain promoters certain shows would pick certain events where like you were getting kind of on right there's so this there's yes and this is i mean that's a whole different uh yeah we're gonna go detail now but but but like my point is it seems and hopefully it's true that you're i'm assuming the kind of events you're putting on for these guys um are like well rounded yes where it's not like oh this guy because

he's good at this we're doing a bunch of that yeah you know so it's my goal with it is eight events right So every other contest is either, I mean, some are five, some are six. We're really the only one that does eight at the top level. Yeah. Right. So eight events, the goal is to test every facet of strength. So if you have a weakness, we're going to find the weakness. And then who is the most well-rounded will win.

That makes sense. Right. So you're not going to be able to really hide at all when you come. So my next question is who wins in a street fight, you are Thor. you're really on the street fight yeah i just know other guests normally just get hey you and me i think this is like the seventh person or six or seven this one has to do it just went so much deeper i had to ask this one i was thinking i was like if i don't ask this here's the thing is he him and i would be a hell of a battle yeah is what it would be that should be the fight dude that would be a battle right there'd be

so much in money in that fight that's the fight it would it would be a battle because it's Size would be so similar. Yeah. Right. Like, you know, especially in like a fighting shape. Yeah.

Whatever it was. Dude, that's the fight to make. That is, that's one of the craziest. I do, that would go insane. I guess the question would be as,

I mean, obviously he trained for boxing. Would it be boxing or MMA? Because I would prefer M. It's got to be MMA. Yeah. I don't want to see boxing, dude.

I don't want to see that. I would prefer MMA. That's what I think that's what everyone would want to see though. Because like boxing, you know, we can just watch Tyson Fury fight someone or in Ghanu and fight, whatever. It's like, and you could, I guess there's, this is a different conversation. I'm sure there's people on both sides, but boxing, boxing is like something where that skill level with a good boxer is you, that is different, man.

Yeah, 100%. And with MMA, there is an element of, okay, I'm, I'm just going to be big and strong. And then you add skill to that. Right. So that's, that's where I'd say. like okay if i really want to get you to uh you know the the you know to the cage i'm going to get you there one way or another i might eat a couple punches but i'm going to get you there and then we played the game there but that's where it's interesting because obviously he was in the boxing so trained striking very hard i know that he took it very seriously yeah as well and and he's i think very similar uh to me and the fact that like he wanted to be the best he could at that this is the fight to make dude yeah this is the fight this would be the biggest fight like everyone would watch this fight it would it would be it would be crazy yeah yeah but

like I said I would I would prefer much prefer MMA would you do a would you do an MMA fight if he would do you think he would I don't I don't know man I mean obviously you'd have to say probably yes he would because he did the boxing yeah right would you would I yeah I mean again it with the money yeah like it needs to make sense from that side of it say it all made sense Well, if it made sense, I think I clearly proved that I was willing to do it, right? Because it was, you know, I mean, I jumped into it head first. But again, it's from a competitive standpoint, right? Like I like challenge. I like facing adversity. Yeah. I like that. Right. So I had to learn completely. And, you know, again, if it made sense, that's the thing. It would just need to make sense. It couldn't be. And I'm sure he would say the exact same thing. Yeah. Right. Because I don't know how it worked out with the boxing and all that. I don't think it worked out the way that they wanted it to yeah so you know for him I think he would have a lot of apprehension about it because of that and going through it and now I would too because I've I didn't have to go through the fight thankfully because I would the contract was

structured the way it was yeah but I can only imagine like think if I would have went through it and then didn't get paid like that would how frustrating yeah right we sure time and yeah a lot of ways yeah that would be fucking insane look at you over here fight promoter dude I feel like but everyone's going to agree with me that that is the best fight because i feel like wasn't isn't there a little there was a little personal beef there at one point of course here's a thing bro is we we were very competitive yeah very right and that's that's that's that's going to come at the top level with any with any competition right like because it's you're walking in to to to find out who's stronger right and he would say the same thing yeah right anybody at the top is going to say the same

thing so if if there's not a little bit of button heads there's not a little bit of something going on then are you are you really coming in to win you know and that's that's that's i think the the interesting part with with any uh top level competitor right you should want to win you should be determined to win yeah right and and you've put all this hard work in so to walk in the last thing you're going to do is about it and say well i'm i'm here to lose right no so it's funny it's everything came back to the full circle of like the participation trophy yeah and it and it will it It will, though, and I, yeah, I mean, we could go down that rabbit hole again, but it's, you know, just society as a whole, right? Like, the one, wanting to win is okay, right?

It has to be. And I would, I would, to be fair, I would respect somebody more if they said, I want to win too, right? Yeah. Cool. Like, you know, I love it. I love it. I want somebody to want to win, right? Because now it drives me even harder.

It's, you feed off of that. Yeah, absolutely. Well, bro, it's been a pleasure. I love it. You're the man, dude. I appreciate that. We've made a lot of actually really viral content. You know that in the past?

Yes. Like kind of crazy. Yeah. It's weird because, like, I'm so much stronger. It's like how did. I don't, you know what I'm saying? It's like a weird.

I don't know if anybody has watched like any of the videos that have gone out. But you guys, you guys know you're so much stronger. Dude, I love you, bro. Have we cut off all the videos? Did they all stop? I got to remove from, I hit up Google.

I said remove all these. Did you? Yeah, they're all gone. You got that pull. Gone. You got that pull. No, you're amazing, dude. You've always been so solid.

I know we've done interviews before. We made tons of content. You're a solid guy. And honestly, man, I hope this becomes like the strong man central. And it's true because it's your heart. Like I can, I know this from having so many conversations with you.

Yeah. You're just a good person. Obviously a fucking animal. You're a beast. You're incredible at what you've done and what you're going to continue to do. And I just want to say like, I have so much love for you, man. You're a great guy.

Thank you. Likewise. likewise yeah it's been a blessing love it brother great in person love it yeah that was awesome um yeah if you guys want to find them obviously shaw strength everywhere um whatever else you want to tell them or whatever whatever you feel yeah man i mean the support is obviously appreciated

like you said shaw strength shaw strength dot com you know we're trying to put good stuff out and and have fun with it man yeah like be real with it and have fun yeah you've been that since i've known you how many years have i known you we I think we met in the UK in uh it was that I think it was that body yeah it had to be a body power uh in the gym because we were like when they used to have those the like everybody comes and trains yeah like together was that that would have been like 2000 that was that would have been the same time I did that I was because I just interviewed Phil Heath last night that'd have been the same time

I filmed that video with like Dana and Ulysses and Phil we're trained at that gym probably it's probably the same in that time and they would have a DJ I believe that's exactly Exactly right. Yep. So that would, I think I went over there in my first year probably would have been like 2011 over there. Mine had to be 20, but I had to be 2015. You think. For me. Yeah. No. Maybe before. It was earlier than that. 20. Yeah. Maybe 2013. Yeah. Yeah. It's a long time. Yeah. Like if it was 13, 10 years. Yeah. Right. Or going on 11 this year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just, yeah. I just want, I appreciate you for real. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. brother yeah you too man and like i just want them the world to know you're a great person man

thank i know i don't think they doubt it but like for me just knowing you personally you've always been solid so yeah he's a lot bro cool um are you gonna come eat or what do you have doing for us the day yeah we got to eat okay i got to eat of course i got to eat man subscribe to the channel every tuesday i love you guys we're on we're on podcasts iTunes everywhere um i'm out of here i love you guys subscribe thanks